“The Mass is the greatest blasphemy of God, and the highest idolatry upon the earth, an abomination the like of which has never been in Christendom.”
“The Kingdom of Christ is a kingdom of mercy, grace, and goodness.
The kingdom of the Pope is a kingdom of lies and damnation!”
“The Roman Church has become the most licentious den of thieves, the most shameless of all brothels, the kingdom of sin, death, and hell.
“It is so bad that even Antichrist himself, if he should come, could think of nothing to add to its wickedness.”
By a former Roman Catholic priest:
Martin Luther
First published 20.01.2011.
Written by Ivar
ivarfjeld.com 
Just as bad as self righteuos Baptists who think they know and discern everything….all modern churches are in apostacy.
The church of Jesus are his people.Not a demonination.
Putyhwh1st,
I doubt I’ll ever get an answer but why is it that you only come on here to post links? You’ve posted 3 or 4 different links on different posts.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
PutYhWh1st is spammed.
He is a cult member, that do not believe Jesus is God. His links are very deceptive, and will not be tolerated on this site. The co-editors will spam them whenever they surface.
The Romans had many gods and that is why, when the ROMANS set up the Roman Church, they made 3 gods to attract pagans
dont be ignorant ,research the facts yourself ,about early christianity ,it will only reveal that catholics have complete truth that can be traced right back to the early church fathers and the apostles.
No it can’t.
Martin, I did that and not only did it show me the reverse of what you said, but it also showed me how the Protestant Reformation was a complete failure because they carried with them much RCC dogma that they claim to reject.
The Catholic Church still carries within itself the Constantinian Creed which is nothing more than a revamp of the edicts laid down by Antiochus Epiphanes.
1. Moving YHVH’s Sabbath from last day to first day.
2. Forbidding observance of ALL Torah, (God’s) Commandments.
3. Disallowing observance of the Festivals of Yehovah.
4. Ordering the setting up of Idols.
5. Permitting the eating of unclean animals.
6. You wrote your own bible to grant yourself license to anything.
7. Making Mary (Co-Redemptrix), equal to Jesus in salvation.
I could go on for hours but Ivar would probably edit it to save bandwidth. Even still, you will deny everything I have said so far because you refuse to sit down with any bible other than the Catholic one and read with the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit as you ONLY authority. But you cannot do that because you refer all ‘thinking’ to the priests and Rome. I guess that they know more than God. Do you realize how much of a slave you are to the RCC? I though Jesus came to set us free from the teachings of man? Isn’t that why He called the Pharisees a bunch of snakes, white-washed tombs?
YHVH’s people are a NATION… NOT a DENOMINATION!
Shalom in Y’shua Messiah.
How dare you call yourself Christian! Would God want you to vehemently bash religions like that? Shame! He wants you to be loving and accepting, so why don’t you go talk to a priest or visit a Catholic church once in a while, to see what it’s like? Martin created his own religion modeled a bit like Catholicism, without the bits and pieces that made it into a tradition. I know his history, how he was ordained in a bad monastery, so don’t try to talk to me about Lutheranism, I have many Lutheran friends who are perfect with me being Catholic and the like. The sad thing for you to hear is…of all the people in the world, including you, every time I meet a devoted Catholic, who knows their values and limits…they just seem so one with God, and at peace, very kind, loving, and giving people. And you, my friends, are not setting a good example for the rest of the Christians out there.
Also, Paddy byGrace, everything you said about the Church is untrue. I keep wondering who started these rumors…
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
How dare you call yourself Christian! Would God want you to vehemently bash religions like that? Shame!
My reply:
After my last comment, I know I have been able to discern the religious spirit within you. I see a pattern here, a copy-cat writer of the same message to various people. If you are not interested in debating on this site, Please leave.
I have researched. Raised a catholic but was ignorant. About: counting beads, which pagan oriental and middle eastern religions practice with reciting the same words over and over. This is not taught in the bible. That any human man has been appointed to take Jesus’ place on earth, not a biblical truth. Jesus ONLY is the intersessor between God and man, is biblical. Forbidding to marry is not biblical, St Peter and other disciples were married. Having a staff as a religious symbol and holding up 2 fingers is a Huge RED Flag, research; Balphomet and what he has on his lap? Dec 25 used to be the pagan birthday of the sun. Catholic church brags that it was adopted to be the birthday of Jesus, not biblical. Also the priest holds up the sun symbol during the mass. Like Martin Luther said, the list goes on and on and on. The second Commandment; You will not make an image of Anything on the earth, in heaven or in the sea, you will Not bow down or serve (pray) to them….. The Queen of Heaven in Jeremiah is now the so called virgin mary. The God of heaven and Earth will not share His glory with ANYONE. Pride and stubbornness keeps people from entering heaven, not God. The Bible is available to everyone so we have no excuse before the Throne of Judgement, especially those that are religious leaders, like in Jesus time.
When the Greek word for young woman was translated into Latin, it couldn’t be accurately translated. Some words can’t and the Latin translated it as virgin. I have researched the history of Catholicism for many years and they killed at least an estimate of 5 Million people for various reasons. They killed Christians who wouldn’t join them, burned women and destroyed cultures and raped the American Indian children. Look at the history of South America. If you want the truth, read about people who especially during surgery have passed over and returned. I know a couple and they say that you are responsible for your own actions and there is no punishment and speak of the love they feel that does not exist on Earth.
this guy has the first butt with teeth
your the second one then
Thanks for the great quotes of Martin Luther, an ex-Catholic priest. His words on Roman Catholicism is soooooo true!!
“The Mass is the greatest blasphemy of God, and the highest idolatry upon the earth, an abomination the like of which has never been in Christendom.”
Exactly. Even Islam is an inferior blasphemer 😀
Dear Give Thanks 1314.
Shalom.
Thanks for blessing me. Both Martin Luther and I, are fare from prefect. But in regards to our experiences with the Roman Catholic mass, we have come up with the same conclusion. All the Church reformers claimed the Pope to be the very anti-Christ. They are correct.
I am going to have to re-read about Martin Luther. Last time I did was about twenty years ago when I was fresh out of a RC convent & did not agree w/ him most likely b/c everything i read was the catholic view.
I am astonished that back then he called RC a shameless brothel! Probably so much hidden, sexual sin then, too!
Every day, I praise my God for bringing me to Him & out of RC. The joy of the Lord is sweet! The ‘brothel’ is not.
Shalom Ivar:
I am overjoyed to learn Kay is an ex-Catholic 😀
I’ve been debating with Catholics for more than one year now, so far fruitless. Debate is not an effective way to win people to Christ, but I learn a lot about Roman Catholicism in the debate.
Martin Luther was a great man of God. Of course he had his weakness. It is said that he was a Jew-hater (I learned this from the Catholics). I don’t have the energy to investigate. All believers have to stand before Christ’s Judgment Seat anyway.
Again, God bless you and your work. I have been blessed by your blog 😀
Dear Give thanks 1314.
Shalom.
I rejoice with Kay. Not because she has listen to me, or any of the debates on News That Matters. But because she has found Him, and understands that Jesus loves her more than all the money and gold in the World.
In regards to Martin Luther, He was a complete failure. Just like my self. I have no righteousness of my own. Jesus in my righteousness. I can only be saved by His mercy. By His mercy, and not deserved kindness, alone.
I can look back on the year 1948, and rejoice in the faithfulness of God of the Bible in regards to Israel. Martin Luther could not. I am more blessed than Him in this sense, but not any day a better man than this sinner from Germany, who lived 500 years before I was born.
How dare you call yourself Christian! Would God want you to vehemently bash religions like that? Shame! He wants you to be loving and accepting, so why don’t you go talk to a priest or visit a Catholic church once in a while, to see what it’s like? Martin created his own religion modeled a bit like Catholicism, without the bits and pieces that made it into a tradition. I know his history, how he was ordained in a bad monastery, so don’t try to talk to me about Lutheranism, I have many Lutheran friends who are perfect with me being Catholic and the like. The sad thing for you to hear is…of all the people in the world, including you, every time I meet a devoted Catholic, who knows their values and limits…they just seem so one with God, and at peace, very kind, loving, and giving people. And you, my friends, are not setting a good example for the rest of the Christians out there.
The peace of Christ be with you Rebekka. You seem to be a kind person yourself. But that is not going to be enough to get you approval from Jesus to enter heaven according to his word. Many “good people” are going to hell, not because God sends them but because they chose to believe man instead of His Holy Bible. Read it and find out for yourself what is the truth. Before you do, ask God in your own words not repetition, to guide you and reveal to you what He wants you to do. Then make your own decision. We who know the truth, will be held accountable if we keep it a secret , if we let people believe whatever they want. For they will be destroyed because we did not care enough to warn them. My religion will not save me, it helps me know my Savior. Jesus is my Savior.
Hi Givethanks..
You can be doubly over joyed and count me in the ex catholic club. Former “Vatican police” saved by grace. 🙂
I praise God for you all: Ivar, Martin Luther, Kay, Sueliz1, … His Love and Grace are beyond measure!
Living in His love and abundance with you all ! 😀
And said thing is: You start to say anything negative about RC even amoungst many believers in the U.S. and you’re deemed intolerant, judgmental, narrow-minded and unloving. So sad that the political correctness of the world has seeped into and is flooding the Church.
Ivan, I didn’t mean for my last name to be posted. Could you please edit that?
Hi Bridget,
You said:
And said thing is: You start to say anything negative about RC even amoungst many believers in the U.S. and you’re deemed intolerant, judgmental, narrow-minded and unloving. So sad that the political correctness of the world has seeped into and is flooding the Church.
My comment:
This is because the church is emerging “back to Rome.” No longer is the pope seen as an antichrist, but as a valid Christian leader, accepted throughout the world.
Blessings.
Sue
Shalom
When we talked about deception, we are talking about being deceived, That is why I speak about deception of Roman Catholic teaching and their false teaching
1: The mass is unbiblical
2: The mass is a false doctrine propagated by false church
3: Many Evangelical christian leaders have promoted unity with Roman catholicism(thereby endorsing their false gospel Galatians 1:8,9
The bible warns us about seducing spirits and doctrine of devils
A! What Is the Mass(According to Rome)
– Is the sacrifice of new law in which Christ through the ministry of the priest, Offers himself to God in an unbloody manner the appearances of bread and wine
folks! That is absolute heresy
B! The mass is perfect sacrifices continued
Right before Jesus die and gave his last breath he cried out…. IT IS FINISHED (John 19:30)
Crucifying Jesus again and again is paganism So folks stay away from this deception
1: The Mass follows the word of the Scriptures. Ever been to one? We have Bibles everywhere.
2: It’s literally a God-given doctrine given to and propagated by the Church established by Jesus Christ, so, yes, we’re going to keep saying Mass and there’s nothing you can do about it.
3: Gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Nowhere does that say “Galatians”. And no, actually a lot of Evangelists don’t like us, same as many of you. That verse is also not fake.
A: How is it heresy, maybe we just have a deeper understanding of the bible than you do.
B: We aren’t crucifying him over and over. He is presented in an unbloody manner for the purpose of reunification with our souls.
^This, folks, is truth. Don’t be blinded by what you’ve taught yourself or what non-Catholics and people with misconceptions of the Church are telling you.
I am…about to cry reading the lies spread by some people (not ignorant, maybe greatly misinformed) I have been a Catholic for nearly sixteen years and it has brought me nothing but joy and good fortune to my friends and family around me. Some of these lies told include that we crucify Him over and over at the Mass, that we don’t allow bibles in church, that our bible is “edited”, that the Mass is unbiblical, that we worship the virgin Mary and the saints, that we idolize statues…not anything against anyone, but I know what I’m talking about, I’ve been studying my faith for years and years and I am with the grace of God. I hope and pray that the world will be enlightened to the truth of our Church (and those that expounded from it) so that we can stop the flaming lies and accusations…God Bless! -Rebekkah
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I do not want to bash you, just highlight some of the errors of Catholicism.
1. Do not use a mediator between Jesus and your self. Do not pray the rosary, and do not consult the dead, and departed spirits.
2. Do not call the Pope “Holy Father”. Jesus used this name on His father in Heaven, your father too.
3. Do not accept a bishop who refuse priests to marry. Like the Bishop of Rome. Peter the Jewish apostle was married.
4. Do not accept a “Church” with priests who bow before created beings. Like corpses, skulls and bones. Repent, and worship God in spirit and in truth.
You can read more about the worship of skulls, bones and corpses on this link:
https://ivarfjeld.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/
There is no where in the bible that says we cannot pray the rosary, which was a tool given to us by the Blessed Virgin and it would be shameful and disrespectful for us to ignore it, and we aren’t “consulting” spirits like witches and soothsayers. We don’t pray to them for our own selfish means, only pray with them. We the Pope “Holy Father”, not because we think he is God (we don’t) but because it is respectful as he represents the stand-in for Christ, who established us. Now, I understand your confusion with the priests who can’t marry thing…because few people know, I didn’t until a few years ago when I asked my parish priest, that priests essentially take vows to the Church; therefore do not get married, because they cannot have two spouses. I know it seems strange. I think Peter was married to a human and to the Church, because back then, remember, women were treated like property and a man could have multiple wives if he so desired. About the bowing before created beings…I believe pure intentions are the main matter at hand for that. A small bow is given in terms of respect, not worship. The worship is reserved in Adoration or in front of the Eucharist, which we believe is the actual flesh of Christ.
I’m really, really sorry if this seems hateful toward anyone. I don’t mean to sound rude, but this really is the truth of our Church. If you don’t believe it and you want to continue believing what you’ve been told by someone who isn’t Catholic or has a very rotten image of us, then ask nicely and I won’t bother you further. Thank you for your time, God bless:) ~Rebekkah
And I will not read any information from this site, don’t use it as proof against me again. It’s full of falsehoods.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
And I will not read any information from this site, don’t use it as proof against me again. It’s full of falsehoods.
My reply:
This is a site for debate on matters of faith. Please tell me: How are you going to participate in these debates, without reading the articles?
I understand it is painful to see photos of your priests and bishops bow before, and pray to remains of the dead. Like bones, skulls and corpses. The Vatican priesthood even pray before hearts cut out of corpses, removed from the graves.
Your refusal for read the information is basically based on the attitude, that ” I do not want you to be on this site, and I will do my best to get you out of here”.
So maybe you, your self, better pack your bag and leave. One day, Jesus of the Bible might be able to penetrate your heart, so you are able to face the truth. Soon after that day you will defend any site that expose the evil and falsehood of Catholicism.
It is not that I see it as painful, I see it as respectful.
But don’t try to use your own falsehoods to argue with me, I’ve already stated that this site is misinformed and therefore the information within does not count as proof.
Besides, this is your site, it’s not my place to kick you off of it; only to shed light on the truth of the Church.
And Jesus has penetrated my heart, it doesn’t matter what from of Christianity I support, I believe in him and I know what I do is right.
This “truth” I have faced I have faced a thousand times, and everyone says the same things about it. The problem is, I disprove what they say, and instead of arguing with me, they become frustrated and tell me that they hope I will find Christ. I know they hate me in reality for disproving them, but what else can I do?
I hope you let God enter your heart to see the light of what really is the body of the Catholic Church.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You must be aware that there are copy-cats of “Jesus” around. The Messiah warned us about deception, and that not all who claim to know Him really do. Paul the Apostle gives us a clear cut warning too:
2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
If you have found Jesus, you would not seek medium’s to reach Him. You will not pray the rosary to the “Queen of Heaven”, nor will you seek advices from departed sols of created beings, regardless of they are called “saints” or “madonnas”. If you keep on doing such, I can only feel pity for you. The “Jesus” you clam to have fund is a fiction. You should have obeyed the Scripture, but have rejected the Word of God. You have been deceived to follow doctrines taught by demons.
I am not rejecting the Word of God. I am rejecting your view on our Church, which I believe is false.
Show me where in the Bible it says not to use a rosary. Show me where it says not to ask Saints for assistance in prayer (by the way, there is only one Madonna, the mother of Christ) Show me where it says I am taught by demons.
I know my ways better than you ever will. I am sorry that you cannot see that.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
Mediator? It’s a tool, not a mediator. It just shows what prayers to pray.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
It might be helpful if you use the words “middleman”. You can not come to God the Father, using created beings as “middlemen”. Even if the Mary you are prying to, by any chance would be the human mother of Jesus, she would not participate in your sins. Praying in the name of any crated being is sin and useless.
“For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” But in the preceding four verses (1 Tim. 2:1-4), Paul instructs Christians to pray for each other, meaning it cannot interfere with Christ’s mediatorship: “I urge that prayers, supplications, petitions, and thanksgivings be made for everyone. . . . This is good, and pleasing to God our Savior.”
We know this exhortation to pray for others applies to the saints in heaven who, as Revelation 5:8 reveals, intercede for us by offering our prayers to God: “The twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
It is a grave sin to consult departed souls. Witches do this, and you are not supposed to indulge in witchcraft.
Its is beyond our limits to judge people, who of them who are in Heaven or in Hell. It the “saint” you are praying to was a hypocrite, he is spending eternity in Hell. He will surely not be able to answer your prayers, nor do any kind of intersession. A demon would like to take his place, and entertain you, misguide you and lead you towards eternity separated from God.
The saints of the Bible are not the dead and departed, as the Popes have told you. The saints are those who serve Jesus on the Earth. They will never pray in any other name than Jesus the Messiah. Non-Christians pray in any name, and Roman Catholics pray in names authorized by the Pops.
The elders in Heaven are not holding up the bowls of prayers offered to them. And the prayers have turned into smoke, (incense). Not written on papers.
What gives you the right to say that we cannot pray to departed souls?
“It is a grave sin to consult departed souls. Its is beyond out limits to judge people, who of them who are in Heaven or in Hell. It the “saint” you are praying to was a hypocrite, and will spend eternity in Hell. A demon would like to take his place, and entertain you, misguide you and lead you towards eternity separated from God.”
No, we aren’t judging people. If we think these people deserve remembrance and respect, we record them, call them “saints”.
I don’t know of any saints who were hypocrites, but almost all of them started out their lives as sinners, finding the path to righteousness. We are not judging their lives…we are respecting the amazing ways they let God’s love flow from their hearts and to those around them. None of the saints are in Hell, by the way.
And don’t worry, I’m not in any danger of being misled by some demon. 🙂
Though you seem to think so.
“The saints of the Bible are not the dead and departed, as the Popes have told you. The saints are those who serve Jesus on the Earth” You’ve almost summed up saints in that last sentence. The saints are people of significance who served Jesus with their whole hearts, bodies, minds, and spirits. Many, many people have gone their lives serving God (as it is the natural human instinct to, God gave us that knowledge and yearning of him in our mother’s womb), but we cannot keep track of them all. If we notice someone’s life was significantly with God, we can do something about it to make sure they were remembered. Miracles have happened to these saints under Jesus’ name.
I do think everyone who serves God is a saint.
But not everyone can be written down and remembered.
“The elders in Heaven are not holding up the bowls of prayers offered to them. And the prayers have turned into smoke, (incense). Not written on papers.” You’ve never been to heaven, you wouldn’t know something like that.
Just wondering is there any biblical scriptures that support the uses of rosary when someone pray?
Dear tiva82
Shalom.
This is very simple. God is eternal, and has no mother. So the “Mother of God” is a fiction. But some demons have taught the Pope, that a billion Catholic or so, should be told to sin, even when they pray.
Anyhow: Since we can pray directly to Jesus, no on will be sinning, not praying through the medium called “the Mother of God”. A simple Biblical solution.
Rebekah,
Jesus very clearly warns against prayers like the rosary here:
“And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.” (Matthew 6:7 NIV).
Believing that Mary gave the rosary is like believing in hearsay or some legend.
The devil is cunning. He’s smart. Think many times before placing belief in anything told or taught by other men.
Kay
Rebekkah,
You said: What gives you the right to say that we cannot pray to departed souls?
My Comment Hebrew 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
Jesus Christ judges all. Your prayers will not help the dead. After death, comes judgment.
Dear Gloria and Rebekah.
Shalom.
Why should we not pray to departed souls?
Because there is only ONE mediator between God and man, and that is Jesus. And since there is ONLY ONE, there is not two or several.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord; because of these same detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.
(end of scripture).
If your Jesus permit you to consult the dead, He would be a sinner and a law breaker. Such a “Jesus” is a different “Jesus”, a dangerous copycat who has come up from the bottomless pit.
I think you forget that us Catholics believe in something called “Purgatory”. Of course, the Bible does not mention the exact word “Purgatory”, that is the name we gave the place mentioned in the Bible. 2 Maccabees 12:46 “Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin.”
In Chapter 12 of Second Maccabees we read Scriptural proof for Purgatory and evidence that the Jews had sacrifices offered for those of their brothers who had lost their lives in battle. That the Jews prayed for the dead shows that they believed in a place where they could be helped (which we now call purgatory) and that the prayers of their living brothers and sisters could help them in that place. This is closely related to the Catholic doctrine of the communion of saints.
God’s mercy is such that we are given second chances.
So, yes, our prayers should assist the dead in leaving Purgatory and entering heaven.
You said: “My Comment Hebrew 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,”
Yes, they will face judgment after death. We pray that some will not be sent to Hell, then to Purgatory where they’ll be given a second chance.
This is what we believe, I know it’s a bit…confusing, and there’s much, much deeper meaning than just this when it comes to praying to departed souls. However, I might take up an entire page or two trying to explain it all, but I guess this is part of the basics.
By the way, is “shalom” a Jewish thing? I’ve heard it from a few people already and I don’t know what it means. It would be helpful to enlighten me a little in that aspect of their religion…
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
You wrote:
2 Maccabees 12:46 “Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin.”
My comment:
You must be aware why the Papacy opened the Biblical cannon around 1540 A.D, and included the book Tobit. It was done to counter the reformers of the Church, and explain that man can be saved by good works.
The problem was, that this book includes witchcraft, and is obviously not inspired by the Holy Spirit. The Pope and Tobit wants us to burn the liver of the fish, to scare away demons. A tool for deliverance used by the Pope and witches.
Sadly, this book is included in the so-called “Catholic Bible”.
2 Maccabees is considered by the Jews, to be a book that includes important sections of their history. It is not a part of the Torah (Law), nor a part of the Tannak (the Jewish book of psalms, Wisdom and prophetic instructions). 2 Maccabees is not a part of the Jewish cannon of the Bible, still it does have some value, likewise as Encyclopedia Britannica.
Many Jews have done a lot of strange things through history. Like making a golden calf in the desert, and worshiping other “gods”. That does not give any of us the right to copy them. Not to consult the dead, or to try to cleanse people from sins, after their souls have departed.
However, Maccabees and Tobit were not “added” to the Bible by the Catholics. They are original books that were removed by some of the Christian churches simply because it did not comply with what they wanted to believe in.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
You comment does not make sense, and is a fruit of the lies told a million times by the Vatican. The Jewish cannon of the Bible predates that Church councils by more than 500 years. Since Tobit and the Maccabees never have been a part of the Hebrew Cannon, they should not be part of any Christian canon. Let the books be Roman Catholic or what ever.
Second: Roman Catholics might acknowledge witchcraft as part of their “Holy book”. Christians to not.
Honestly, I said something plain and simple and you still didn’t understand it? Well, that’s to be expected…I am trying to explain Catholicism, it’s mostly my fault for not being able to convey how lightly I am touching the subject of it.
Catholics are Christians, since we all believe in one true God and Jesus Christ. I’m very sorry to hear that you think we worship a different God.
Yes, witchcraft is part of our Bible. Not saying it is a good part, though. Witchcraft is chalk-full of demons and sorcery and will get you nowhere but Hell or Purgatory, I am sorry that isn’t covered in your version of the Bible, because it is extremely important and defines the difference between miracles and Satanic magic.
However, Judaism is the root of all Christianity: therefore, the Jewish Canon is part of the Old Testament, because the Old Testament was originally written by the Jews. I know you won’t agree with the way it is, and you won’t believe me…honestly, if I didn’t want to believe in the original Word of God I’d change religions. But it’s not up to me. I have to obey what He wants.
You probably won’t understand and say that “It doesn’t matter, Judaism is bad and I’m right no matter how much so-called ‘truth’ you tell,” but I know what I’m talking about. And the more I politely debate with you over this, just so you know, the more I learn about my Faith…and the more I fall in love with it and God.
Rebekkah,
You said: Catholics are Christians, since we all believe in one true God and Jesus Christ. I’m very sorry to hear that you think we worship a different God.
My comment: I am a Christian, and would never consider myself a catholic. It is quite obvious that catholics follow another jesus that is not preached in the Bible. For Jesus Christ gave all of us His Word to follow, and the roman catholic church instead follow their own doctrine taught by demons.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Mark 7:9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!
It’s alright, I would never expect any Christian to consider themselves Catholic; there are many, many different Christian denominations to choose from.
We do not follow our own doctrines, I’ve made this clear before. We are following the doctrines taught by Jesus himself and set before our first Pope. We haven’t changed them for over two thousand years. I guess you could call us…traditionalists? However, the newer denominations tend to change things to the view of the peoples, to their fitting, because they don’t want to be ridiculed or for any number of reasons. It’s frustrating that we have such old doctrines and laws to follow, but it’s God’s will, and we understand that.
No, it is not obvious that we follow a different Jesus. We follow the same one, unless you want to say Jesus was a demon, which he isn’t, for your information.
You said: “2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.” We, the Church, accepted the original Gospels, I don’t know enough deepness of other denominations to say the same. We are not preaching a different Jesus. We receive the Holy Spirit. I am putting up with it more than “easily enough”, I am filled with joy at His sacrifice.
You said, “Mark 7:9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!”
Well, don’t you now? Our traditions ARE the commands of God. We haven’t changed a single thing since he gave us the laws and doctrines. Maybe you need to understand more that us Catholics are a bit renowned for our habits of keeping His commands, despite what our personal thoughts and feelings may be.
Rebekkah
Shalom.
You wrote:
It’s alright, I would never expect any Christian to consider themselves Catholic; there are many, many different Christian denominations to choose from.
My comment:
There might be many different denomination to chose from. But the view’s of men do not define who is a Christian, and who is not. The Bible, alone, is the highest authority in matters of faith. If you accept witchcraft in your Bible, you might be a witch. But never a Christian.
Christians are people who have put their faith in Jesus. Although the term “Christian” is fairly man-made…you are right, no man can deem another man Christian or not.
Catholics mutually believe in the true Jesus Christ (since there can only be one), and are, therefore, Christians.
If witchcraft isn’t real, if you don’t worship it, it cannot harm you.
We Catholics do believe that witchcraft is a demonic practice, and that the matter is covered in the Bible, which professes witchcraft itself as a great evil.
Here’s the logic behind this: Would you go to Hell for the sin of another man? Of course not.
Since our practices are not to do with witchcraft, you’ve no right to call Catholics witches, just because their intact Bible covers the subject of a sin.
If I read the story where Cain murders Abel, would that make me a murderer? No.
You have no right to call me a witch.
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
You wrote:
Catholics mutually believe in the true Jesus Christ (since there can only be one).
My reply:
Why don’t you start to believe what is written in the Bible?
This is also a link that might be helpful:
https://ivarfjeld.com/2011/12/10/some-examples-of-copies-of-jesus/
Using the information you came up with by yourself, on your own website, is extremely childish of you. I thought I would be politely discussing a subject with someone who might be mature enough to handle the subject, but obviously I assumed too much of you. I apologize. Unless you can give to me valid proof from a reliable, Christian-like source (such as, finding a Catholic website that disproves what I say, for example?) you cannot damn me to Hell.
Also, I read that article. It’s full of blatant falsehoods that you made up yourself and bad interpretations of Bible readings. If I had to say anything, it was written by either an angry, outspoken Atheist (no offense to any Atheists here), a Satanist, or…possibly…someone overcome by a demon.
I said “The one TRUE Jesus Christ.”
There can only be one TRUE God, if you believe otherwise I highly doubt the claims you give yourself to being Christian.
So, yes, of course I believe what is written in the Bible. I have since I first picked it up in Mass and read it when I was a child, and I have accepted it into my life.
Why don’t you start demonstrating the way a true Christian should act, because the evil language you profess is certainly not one I imagine you’d speak with Jesus in your life.
Blessings~ Rebekkah
Dear Rebekkah
Shalom.
You wrote:
Why don’t you start demonstrating the way a true Christian should act, because the evil language you profess is certainly not one I imagine you’d speak with Jesus in your life.
My comment:
It was surely hard for religious people in Jerusalem to hear Jesus calling them “brood of wipers”, and sons of the Devil. The Messiah was not a “sweet talker”, who gave those who blaspheme God candy coated messages.
I have come to the end of this conversation with you, not being able to get through. In stead of me trying to correct you, please start to read your Bible. And do obey what Jesus tells you.
Rebekkah
Indeed Christ is being crucify over and over again especially when the so called preist perfom mass, my question to you did the first Christian perfom mass??
The first Mass occurred when Jesus was still alive, it was called the Last Supper. Our priests stand-in for Jesus and imitate the Last Supper in modern times.
No, we’re not re-crucifying Christ over and over again during Mass. The Eucharist is a bloodless sacrifice, and Christ is presented during the Mass to reunify us with him. Don’t worry, there’s no crucifying:) If there were Christians before Jesus came around, then no, the first Christian did not perform the Mas. The Mass came around when Jesus gave our first Pope the right to reenact the Supper, and to feed him to his sheep.
Priests like to think they ‘stand in’ for Jesus which is absolutely heretical! Jesus needs no one to stand in for Him. There is no record of the apostles ‘standing in’ for Jesus. There is no record of the apostles worshiping bread and adoring bread in cabinets! It’s all ludicrous lies passed down thru Tradition! Crazy!
Kay
Catholicism leads to eternal torment in the lake of fire, since catholicism teaches works for salvation. So get away from catholicism.
The true and only way to heaven, is by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior, that easy. Jesus who is God and who died on the cross to pay for all of your sins, and who rose from the dead. Romans 4:5.
James 2:14-26
Everyone has their own preferences from the Bible, which says both “You are saved by faith alone.” and “Faith without works is dead.” James 2:14-26 “Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?”. James 2:22
Faith and works go hand in hand with each other. I believe this means that, yes, you can be saved by faith alone (the work is probably optional) I like to work to show my faith, that’s why I’m here, because working for your faith is pleasing to God, therefore good to the world. You realize that by arguing with me, you’re working for your faith as well?
God bless:) ~Rebekkah
We do not work for faith. Just the opposite. Our Faith in Jesus alone propels us to act & do in His name.
Yes, that’s what the Church means by works of salvation.
Interesting blog. The sad little leaf is calling the tree names. Despite your harshness, I have to smile.
Hello all reader of this blog, i m intended to shed some light upon all this failsehood world into which we found ourself,
The deception is much more strong then thought by many of us here and the worse is not now, it is after death that most if us will regret ever been born, ok since most if us here asume intelegence why can not we learn fresh idea? i.e many lies we come up with regarding Muslim and Islam so why can not we learn it from its very comprihensive point to liberate ourself from this lies?
i know many will felt aggressive towards my Islamic inclusions but as per is truth that we seek, we do not need to let islamophobia control us from reality,
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Thanks and God bless us all.
Yushau Halilu.
Wise words:) I’m sorry you felt aggression towards yourself because of your religion, I know the feeling.
Why do you you christians and catholics argue, when you both preach the same heretic doctrins of men, being equally deceived as to what is really spoken of in the Holy Bible, you should embrace each other and search out the TRUTH .
goodnews,
To debate the Word of God is not to argue. The TRUTH IS JESUS, THE TRUTH IS THE WORD OF GOD. And whoever does not adhere or follow the Word of God, whether they call themselves whatever name/denomination, is in danger of losing their souls.
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Debateing, questioning ,wrangleing argueing, disputeing, contending, contesting, discussing, the Word of God between christianity and catholicism is much needed, however both parties only quarrel over minor points of the same blaspheming carnal doctrins. Both these worldly religions do not preach the Good News Gospel , but have manipulated the translations and interpretations of the original scriptures to suit there own vain covetous purposes, and hence led their flocks astray.The thing is ,when a person is trully deceived, they can not perceive it, and will hate and scorn that ingenuos person who attempts to uncover their treachery .{ Fortunatly all is of God }, when one is given His Spirit of understanding and can see His truth of this great deception “christiandom” is embracing, it becomes most apparent, its all part of Gods perfect plan to create us all, in His very image,
Dear goodnews (or what ever)
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Let all men be liars, but God the truth. We are lucky, that God of Israel has revealed to us who He is. We can find the truth about God in the Bible. The Bible speaks about a child that shall come, who will be called Mighty God, everlasting father and prince of peace. He is the Messiah.
The Messiah has come once. And He is about to return. This time, not as the lamb of God that paid for the sins of the World with His own blood. This time He will come as the Lion of Judah.
Forget about being Jew, Roman Catholic or a Protestant:
I hope and pray that you are willing to accept Him? Is your soul saved by Him or not?
That is what matters.
That you have been willing to surrender to His Lordship, and do obey His commands. Amen.
In all honesty, I am happy to receive this message from you. You didn’t argue back when I made a point, and instead, you got frustrated and told me to read my Bible and believe in it. Which made me happy…I take it as meaning that, since you couldn’t find anything to debate me with, it definitely proved a point that I made, which you somehow accepted…I am glad you are not so thick-headed and stubborn so as to believe in what you want no matter what. I am glad you have such an open mind.
I do take everything you say about our Church into consideration.
No, Jesus did not candy-coat his own words. I know that very well. But he wasn’t someone who made rash judgments, then continued to use extremely harsh language to the public. That just isn’t like God, right?
Well, thank you for sharing your view on the subject. You’ve told me things others have told me about my religion and more. However…I am glad because I have shown you why all of it is false. It’s up to you whether or not you’ll accept it as the truth.
You’ve given me this great opportunity, and I give you my thanks.
I will be praying for your soul, and in return I hope you pray for mine.
Blessings~ Rebbekah
By the way, what does “Shalom” mean?
And I’ve also accepted Jesus’ mercy and everlasting love into my life, and…I do read the Bible, and believe in it:)
I agree.
SHALOM / Peace and Harmony Ivar .Can you or someone explain why “christiandom” does not believe Gods Words written in the scriptures eg: John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which sent me draw him:… this is quite clear that for a person to believe/have faith in Christ , God must WILL it first ,ref: Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure . If one believes these scripture, as I do, then being SAVED is not something one can do of himself .
Hello goodnews,
I hope you return to read this reply to your question. Christians do believe what you said they don’t believe. The brothers and sisters in Christ know that God convicted them of their sin and lost condition. They also know that He shows them that salvation is through Jesus Christ. They are perfectly aware of the fact that salvation is a gift from God. They know they are called, elect, chosen. They know they didn’t call themselves or elect themselves or choose themselves or save themselves by some church rituals.
Christians know that they were born once to earthly parents and have been born again, spiritually, by the Word of God, through the mercy and grace of God.
Where did you get the idea that Christians don’t believe this and think they saved themselves ?
Reblogged this on Christian Spook.
The roman catholic so called church,is the kraftwork of Satan!!!!
So true. Luther spoke very straight. But unfortunately hed didn’t consider the Jews.
Dear Denmark Speaking.
Shalom.
There were certain things Martin Luther did not understand. And there are things I do not understand. But as a pacifist, I will never bless a person who raise his hand on another human being. The person being Jew or gentile makes no difference.
I am on Earth to be a blessing to people, and not to harm anyone. It is sad that Luther wrote a horrible book, promoting violence and arson against Jews. I hope he repented, and begged Jesus the Messiah for mercy.
Unfortunately he had a great influence – and still he has today. The ultra-Lutheran Christians have adopted his view. Nowadays it is called Preterism.
excellent posting Ivarfjeld
😀
Dear Friends who love Christ.
Some of you sound so naive in their views. Remember even the devil quotes the scriptures. Your quoting them does not make you right. On the contrary many of the non – Catholic comments seem to be baseless and just trying to justify using quotes from scriptures. My question, do you really try to understand as God wants us to or are you trying to make your own interpretation to try to prove Catholics are false. Like any other Christians we belive Jesus as our Saviour. We believe in the Holy Trinity.
Dear Raju Pradhan
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Some of you sound so naive in their views. Remember even the devil quotes the scriptures.
My rpely:
The devil is quoting scriptures, and so do the Pope. It do not mean the scriptures are wrong.
Sir, has not ivar been very thorough in exposing the lies and evil of catholicism? You mention catholicism along with Christianity. Do you not comprehend your Bible? A big portion of understanding what God does want is Him warning us against false ‘christianity’ and catholicism is the prime example in Revelation 17 (primarily) and all over the Bible. These many examples are too percise to be wrong. Do more research Sir, the scarlet wh or of the Bible is, without a doubt, exposed as that ‘church’. I do pray for your understanding Sir.
You know that is not true.
Martin Luther the ex Catholic Priest also wrote even more vulgar sayings and things about the Jewish people.
Questions of how much Luther is to blame for the Holocaust is an intriguing one for historians.
Enough said.
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Martin Luther the ex Catholic Priest also wrote even more vulgar sayings and things about the Jewish people.
My reply:
The best defense the RCC can put of for its errors, is to jump the topic. Always try to change a deep debate, and derail any truthseeker who try to reach a full understanding. Another tactic is to debate many issues at the same time. So that only a shallow conversation can take place.
We can debate Luther’s views on the Jews another day. In this aticle, the topic is the RCC mass. What excately do the RCC priests do at the altar?
Ivarfjeld
You said:
“The Roman Church has become the most licentious den of thieves, the most shameless of all brothels, the kingdom of sin, death, and hell.
“It is so bad that even Antichrist himself, if he should come, could think of nothing to add to its wickedness.”
By a former Roman Catholic priest:
Martin Luther
First published 20.01.2011.
Written by Ivar
Me:
I do not see any problem with the comment made by me.
My writing is the action of you quoting Martin Luther.
It is your blog, so you have every right to not accept writings you do not like.
That said you did not write much in your article about the Catholic Mass.
The Lutheran Church also has Mass and they believe that the Body and Blood of Christ are truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms of consecrated bread and wine.
I do not understand your attack but you are most welcome to spam me.
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I desire to have a debate on one topic at the time. This article is about the Catholic mass. One of the main reason for the separation of Roman Catholics and protestants.
1. The Catholic mass is based on the RCC’s claim that Jesus the Messiah is physically present in the mass.
2. The RCC claim that Jesus is physically present on the altar, and crucified in a non-bloody manner.
3. The RCC claim that the mass is a sacrefice to “god”, and the physicall Jesus is being sacreficed as a sin offering .
The truth is:
1. Jesus is only physically present at the thrown in Heaven.
2. Jesus is only spriitually precent where two or threee are physically present, to honor his name.
3. Jesus offered him self as a sin offering, once and for all. His acts on the cross in Jerusaelm is excusive, not to be repeated.
Martin Luther rebuked the not biblical doctrines of the Catholic mass. Not only did he rebuke them. He corrctly called these Papal doctrines for blaspemy, acts promoted by an antichrist in Rome.
The problem with the Catholic mass, is that the Word of God is set aside. In the Eucharist the Pope demand that all Catholics must belive it is the physicall “Jesus” they put in their mouth. They must believe they eat His body. Since the protestants refuse to believe that we can consume the Messiah, the Vatican has excluded them from taking part in the so-called “Eucharistic celebration”.
POINT 1
John 6:32 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say to you; Moses gave you not bread from heaven, but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
John 6:47 Amen, amen, I say unto you: He that believeth in me hath everlasting life.
John 6:54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
Catholics believe that when Jesus use the word “amen” and in above cases Jesus is using the word “amen” twice it is truth and not a symbol.
There is no indication that Jesus said amen amen this is a symbol —
“He who does not believe the Son, makes Him a liar.”
1John
It is a pity you are rejecting the Jewish roots of the Eucharist. By understanding the Jewish roots of the Catholic Church, it follows that you will understand the real Presence if Jesus in the Eucharist.
Dear Ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Why do you quote John 6.32, 6.47 and 6.54, and not conclude the whole sequence?
The discisples could not understand how they could consume Jesus, since that was what they believed Jesus taught them.
Jesus never said: “Yes. Today, you will eat my hands, my arms and my legs”.
John 6:52
Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”
John 6: 60-63.
On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? Then what if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.
(end of scriptures)
The flesh count for NOTHING. Jesus did not bring a knife, and told his student to start slaughtering him. His students ate bread..! Physicall bread. We, the followers of Jesus are the “body of Christ”. That do not mean that we have taken over his physicall flesh, but rather have accepted Him to live in our heart. NOT physically living inside our heart, but by the Spirit.
You wrote
Why do you quote John 6.32, 6.47 and 6.54, and not conclude the whole sequence?
Me:
Those are the versus with double “amen amen”
There are many more in the Gospel and in each case Jesus meant what He said.
Dear Ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
The Bible says:
John 6:52.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”.
(end of scripture)
If you believe that Jesus is a physicall bread, you should also believe he is a rock, a stone. “The bread of life” is obvioulsy not a human made “bread”. The bread of life is the Word He has spoken. It came down from Heaven. Jesus is the Word, still not a physicall letter. A,B,R, F, etc.
Point 1 continue:
The Eucharist is either Jesus. (Catholic believe)
OR
The Eucharist is evil. (idol worship)
My question:
Why then does Satanists of all kind inverse, mock and pervert the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass?
Dear Ernes.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
The Eucharist is either Jesus. (Catholic believe) OR The Eucharist is evil. (idol worship).
My reply:
Yes, you said it. All who do not believe that Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist, can not paticipate in the so-called Eucharist celebration. They are not permitted by the Vatican. This is the main reason for why there was a Reformation, and no-participation by dicsiples of the Messiah in the RCC. They can not accecpt the doctrines of the Pope.
Now, you call all who obey the Word of God for “satanists”. Well, you call God of the Bible the evil one. This is why I will claim that the RCC is rotten to the core of its foundation. The RCC represents Satans best bid to defame Jesus of the Bible using His own name.
My conclusion:
When truth has been revealed to a man, he must never again participate in the mass and take the idol (Eucharist), If he do, this person will face judgment and not be found inside the Kingdom of Heaven.
I loved you enough to warn you.
That is just that, your conclusion.
You are writing accusations I have never said.
But then again that is your conclusion and interpretation of me
Also the Reformation was not started because of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
The Reformation was a rebellion against the claimed authority of the Pope. An exodus from the RCC. Luther wrote 95 teses and nailed them to the Church door in Worms in Germany, as a warning.
Number 86. Again: – Why does not the Pope build St. Peter’s Minster with his own money – since his riches are now more ample than those of Crassus, – rather than with the money of poor Christians?
Luther reacted to the spriritual perversion in the RCC, where the Bishops in Germany sold indulgences for the forgiveness of sins, to people who gave them money. Forgiveness of planed sinns were also granted for all who were willing to give a gift for the contruction of St. Peters basilica in Rome.
Luther first thought that the local Bishops were corrupt, and that the Pope were not involved in the fraud. When the Pope sent out his soldiers to arrest him, Luther realized that the fraud were blessed by the Pontiff. This religious system were rotten from the bottom to the top.
That is why the book of Revelation warns us. ” Come out of her, do not participate in her sins”.
Satan knows that Jesus is truly present in the Eucharist and the Eucharist is truly the Flesh and Blood of Jesus the Second Person of the Trinity.
Satan hates the Eucharist.
There is no other reason for Satan to mock and pervert the Eucharist in their Satanic rituals.
That does NOT mean persons who do not understand the Real Presence of Jesus are from Satan.
That thought of thinking of yours is ridiculous and absolutly not true.
I have no idea how you got to that conclusion from what I have said.
I have now presented 3 angles to understand the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
1. Jewish roots of the Eucharist
2 Amen amen meaning truly truly
3. Satanic case for the Eucharist
There is more if you decide as previous post of mine as agreed to stay on topic.
I thought you asked me to stay on topic.
Before I have merely answered the many topics you threw at me and then got accused of discussing many topics.
It seems because you are the owner of this blog it is ok for you to throw many topics at once.
For this reason I am out, although I do not mind to stay on the topic regarding the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
Dear Ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
This article is about the Roman Catholic mass. Yes, I agree to debate the RCC claim of a physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
The RCC claim will include that Jesus the Messiah ate him self. Since Jesus also took the bread during the passover meal. Present at the table there was “two Jesus’es”, according to Rome.
Another funny part of the RCC claim is that the bread was not “Jesus” before Jesus said it was him. And when the bread is put back in the tabernacle in the RCC shrines, the bread idol called “Jesus” seize to be the Messiah. If not the Messiah will be locked up in the “inner room”.
Matthew 24:26
“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
HAVE YOU ATTENED A CATHOLIC MASS,by they way as for Luther,very strange he defends the church teaching,yet condemns the JEWS his very on teacher of the word was a jew JESUS our lord,Amass is a spiritual gathering attended by more than three therefore JESUS WOULD BE PRESENT,I do not defend the papacy i defend the goodness of or teachings as i wrote before once baptized a catholic remains a catholic unless you are excommunicated,i am not the one who jumps and dosent answer your questions you did not answer mine you just threw more at me,i could answer in detail on what you asked but have urgent family matters that are much more important than debate right now sorry
Dear ROMMGIRL
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I have been a non believing practicing Catholic for many years. I have ministered to Roman Catholic priests, and read the Cathecism of the Roman Catholic Church from A to Z. But most important: I have surrendered to the Word of God. I belive that Jesus the Messiah is the ONLY mediator between God and man. I pray in no other names, and I have no other Masters than Him.
Post 1
The Church teaches that Christ remains present under the appearances of bread and wine as long as the appearances of bread and wine remain.
The Gospels do not make it clear whether Jesus actually consumed the bread and wine after He had blessed them, and theologians have disagreed over whether He did or not.
Regardless of whether Jesus did this, we know His disciples certainly did, and no matter what other sins they had committed, they were now consuming the Body and Blood of Christ under the sacramental appearances of bread and wine.
To continue
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
The Gospels do not make it clear whether Jesus actually consumed the bread and wine after He had blessed them, and theologians have disagreed over whether He did or not.
My reply:
This kind of universialism (Catholicism) blur the truth, and confuse people. This kind of activity is also called theology, and presented as science into the Word of God. But is a complete man made non sensense.
If Jesus did not perticipate in the passover meal, he would have been a man of lawlessness, and not the Messiah. No one would have listen to Him, and Jesus would have been cut of from his own people. Most of the Roman Catholics do not mind. Since they also are lawless people, who follow the doctrines and dogmas of the papacy, rather than the Word of God.
Jesus the Messiah was a Jew. The complete Jew, who never committed a single mistake. Not even during the passover meal.
Post 2
But this could be improbable.
Because Jesus Himself was the first to fulfill what He required others to observe.
Jesus willed first to be baptized when imposing Baptism upon others: as we read in Acts 1
Jesus first took His own body and blood, and afterwards gave it to be taken by the disciples.
Jesus fully partook of this very special Seder meal, even though he had no need to do so.
Jesus was also Baptized, even though he had no need to do so.
Jesus leads by example.
To continue
Post 3
Jesus is God. There is nothing He can do to “invalidate” Himself. Nor is anything impossible for Him.
Dear Earnest.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Jesus is God. There is nothing He can do to “invalidate” Himself. Nor is anything impossible for Him.
My reply:
This is typical religious stuff, and a gross error. You need to corret your ways, and stop pretending that you are telling the truth. Nor do you obey the truth.
There are a lot of things that obviously are impossible for Jesus the Messiah. He can not lie. He can not change the written scripture and the eternal promises he has granted. Jesus can be trusted. Men can not.
Jesus can not save those who sin and blasphemes against the Holy Spirit. Simply becamse He has promised He will not.
Post 4
I have to point out that the question of whether or not Jesus received his own body and blood is not settled doctrine.
ernest, sad to say that you are a follower of a dry and corrupt religion–not unlike the dry corrupt religion of the Jewish establishment in Jesus’ day. Unfortunately, “…you strain at gnats and swallow a camel”. It is quite obvious that the bread and wine SYMBOLIZED God’s gift of His Son to mankind. It defies reason to think of it in any other way–and Our Lord is a God of great rationality. Jesus’ employment of those symbols to illustrate His lesson on it, would have had great meaning for His Jewish hearers. Theirs were the ancestors who were fed bread from heaven by God, when they were in the wilderness (after being freed from slavery in Egypt). Remember that He told the Jewish religious authorities in John 6:32-33 that Moses did NOT supply bread from heaven but the Father did and that He, Jesus is the Bread of Heaven. Yes, Jesus is the Bread of Heaven and His Blood was shed to establish a blood covenant with His people, just as the Lord established a blood covenant with Abraham way back in Genesis. He used the blood of animals to signify the Abrahamic Covenant and then He used the Blood of Grapes to signify it to believers under the New Covenant. To think of it any other way is mystical nonsense and implies that God the Father would have approved of pagan festivals where blood was drunk–which He most certainly DID NOT. The Whore of Babylon is seen to be “drunk on the blood of God’s holy people” in Rev. 17:6–do you really think that God the Father would approve of the actual drinking of His Son’s Blood? In the early days of the Church, many Jews turned away from accepting Jesus’ because of the vicious rumor that Followers of the Way (what Jewish Christians were called at that time) were cannibals. We are NOT cannibals–and suggesting that a believer should think of Communion in the way that the Roman “church” insists that it is, is nothing short of an abomination–an adoption of pagan religious thinking.
You wrote on March 29, 2015 at 4:42 pm
Me:
I am fully aware you do not believe in tradition but the Catholic Church do believe in tradition.
In the Old Testament – Jewis Tradition
In the New Testament – Apostolic Sacred Tradition
In the Jewish/Hebrew Tradition at the Passover supper, the participants drank wine and ate unleaved bread for three times.
It seems unclear if Jesus also ate and drank the third time when He told the Apostels” truly truly this is My Body and Blood – – – – eat My Body and drink My Blood.”
Please read Matthew 26:26-30.
Jesus broke the bread and gave it to his disciples. He took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them…. He then said “I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my father.”
There is no indication that Jesus either ate or drank.
It seems you have the answer due to your attack on my writing. Did you read my post no.2 – I do not think so.
Also read Mark 14:25
Also Jesus drank wine/vinager when He said “it is finished”
The Latin for this is “consummate”
The name of the final cup or drink at the Passover is “consummation”
I will appreciate your teaching regarding the 3 meals and if you will show me the Scriptural evidence that Jesus did drank and ate the 3rd time.
Dear Earnest
Shalom, and love in Jesus
You wrote:
I am fully aware you do not believe in tradition but the Catholic Church do believe in tradition.
My reply:
What you claim to be ” fully aware of ” is not correct. Who told you that protestants do not believe in traditions? What we do not like, is that men sets aside the Word of God for their traditions. And that is something different.
The Pope sets aside the Word of God for Catholic traditions. Like the claim that Jesus died on good Friday. The Catholic traditions nulify the Word of God, since there had to be three nights between His death and ressurection. Even a child is able to count three nights, and understand that the Papal claim that Jesus died on a Friday is a big lie.
My apologies if you have been offended regarding my tradition remark. I must have misunderstood your writing, I saw elsewhere.
Lastly I just want to add that whether Jesus drank or ate His own Body has no effect on Catholic teaching regarding faith and morals – and our salvation.
That is why I have mentioned earlier it is not settled doctrine.
Does it matter to you if I may ask?
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I do not get offended by people writing errors about me. But I am very zealous for the Word of God being applied and understood correctly.
The RCC set the Word of God aside, where it is supposed to be understood litteraly. And where Jesus is using figurativly langugage, the RCC make doctrines that demand a litteral understanding. It is so sad that people buy into all the wickedness of the copy-cat religion of Rome.
Let me again give you and the readers some examples:
A litteral understanding must be apllied:
1. The Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man. The RCC claims there are many.
2. The Bibel says do not make idols, and do not bow before them. The RCC claims man shall make idols, and must bow before them.
3. The Bible say do not call any religious leader for “father”. The RCC claim that we all must call the Catholic priests for “fathers”.
4. The Bible says all created humans have sinned. The RCC claim that the mother of Jesus was born without sin, never sinned, etc.
A figurative understanding must be apllied:
1. Jesus says He is the gate. Not to be understood, a physicall gate of stone and wood.
2. Jesus says He is the bread of life. Not to be understood as a piece of bakery, that we must eat.
3. Jesus says He is the light of the world. Not to be understood a candle, or a street light.
4. The Bible says the Messiah is the rock of our salvation. Not to be understood as a stone, pillar, etc.
I can give more examples.
The RCC twist and mock the word of God. Some of the doctrines of the Papacy is almost similar to the truth. That is why this religious movement is so dangerous. It leads people down the path of deception in the name of “Christ”. In a systematic and holistic way, the priests of the RCC has set up a deadly trap.
The Catholic Liturgy is a Satanic Ritual – the Evidence! 😮
http://humansarefree.com/2014/10/the-catholic-liturgy-is-satanic-ritual.html
Ifarfjeld
Regarding your point 1.
That is not true.
Catholics use the word, ‘Intercessor’, and not ‘Mediator’ when we speak of Blessed Mary.
‘Mediator’ is the subject of action, whereas an ‘Intercessor’ is a petitioner for action. They do have quite different meanings.
Go look it up in the dictionary.
Clearly, there is only one ‘Mediator’, but there are many ‘Intercessors’
Dear Ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
‘Intercessor’, and not ‘Mediator’ …..
My reply:
You are playing with words, in a bid to get around your paganizm in the name of “Christ”.
1. When you can pray (ask) directly to Jesus, it is pure disobedience to pray in any other name.
2. When you pray to Jesus, you obey Him. You do what He desire.
3. When you pray in any other name, you pray to mortal created beings, and departed souls. It is a sin.
The Bible is crystal clear. The Roman Catholics are like the pagan Egyptians.
Isaiah 19:3
The Egyptians will lose heart,and I will bring their plans to nothing; they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead,the mediums and the spiritists.
ernest,
“Priestly intercession” was only needed in ancient Israel. God specified that they have such. Since Jesus is our Great High Priest, we have no need of priestly intercession. We who are truly in Messiah Jesus, have the priesthood of all believers (see 1 Peter 2:5-9). A priestly intercessor and a mediator are theologically equivalent. The RCC likely put the priestly system in place as a means of controlling the people, since they, at the same time, deprived the people of the Scriptures.
That is why the Protestant Reformers were eager to start a system of universal education and to see to the translation of the Scriptures into the languages of the people. It was thought to be a sacred duty to assure the knowledge of the Bible among the citizenry. The Englishman William Tyndale (a contemporary of Martin Luther, who narrowly escaped execution himself) was martyred by the RCC for daring to translate the Bible into English.
So if you are sick, do you ask someone to pray for you?
If your answer is “yes” is the person you asked to pray for you a ‘ intercessor’ or ‘mediator’?
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You asked:
So if you are sick, do you ask someone to pray for you?
My reply;
This is exactely how Roman Catholic priests, bishops and cardinals are mocking the word of God. And makes Jesus of the Bible look like a fool, and a possible liar.
How could Jesus have forgotten that we all have a “father”, who made us togehter with our “mother”? And if someone is our spiritual “father”, we must be permitted to adress him as father.
And what about prayer? Dont we ask other human beings to pray for us? How can Jesus claim that we only should ask Him?
The is the the work of the devil. To twist the Word of God, and to nulify the Word for the sake of Roman Catholic traditions. In stead of setting their tradations aside, the RCC pristhood cling on to their unbiblical docrines and dogmas.
Let me give a last and final stern warning to you, ernest:
1. DO NOT call any religious leader Father. To be understood litteraly. Please trash the doctrine of the Pope.
2. DO NOT pray to departed souls. To be understood litterally. Please trash the doctrine of the Pope.
I am done. Please leave this site.
Ok, I have asked a question and you did not give me a direct answer.
I have to conclude that you do not have the answer or is to proud to give the answer.
Instead you got angry – that can clearly be seen.
And on top of that you tell me to leave.
Under what rule are you chasing me away.
Anyway I am gone.
I thought this is a free site for religious debate, that is oneof your own comments. But I see that all you can do is to insult our religion’s doctrine and when you are contradicted, you get angry and throw away people from your site. You SHOULD stop, and start RESPECTING others, we don’t care about your nonsense, please just keep you OWN religion to yourself and maybe you will go to heaven instead of going to hell for all the insults you made.
Dear Andre
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Roman Catholic often play the “insulted card” when their doctrines are exposed as non-Biblical. No one forced you to comment on this site. Now you have expressed that you are not willing to listen to truth. So please leave this site.
your words are not the truth your just a nobody as We are
Jesus stands before God and between God and us, just as the Old Testament priests did: “…For there is one God, and one mediator (intercessor) between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). “…It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.” (Romans 8:34). “…Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.” (Hebrews 7:25). The blood of animals is no longer necessary in this age of grace. We can now approach God boldly ourselves on the basis of the shed blood of Jesus–shed for the remission of our sins. (Hebrews 4:14-16).
Jesus was our priestly intercessor while He was here on earth. He is a priest after the order of Melchizedek. He prayed for many people in His earthly ministry. He even prayed for us when He interceded for all those who would believe in Him in the future, because of the testimony of His disciples. His ministry continued in Heaven after His earthly life was over. He serves as our intercessor in Heaven. 1 John 2:1–“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” We do not need any other intercessor. However, we are still encouraged to pray for one another in the Bible–our Heavenly Father delights to grant the requests of His children and it is good and proper that we make requests for others. I have never agreed with calling that “intercessory prayer”–we have one intercessor–our Lord Jesus.
The Catholic Church has never taught that we cannot “go to God directly and in a personal way.”
However, we also acknowledge that God chooses to use men to communicate his message as well as his mercy, even though those men are sinful. God works through sinful men!
We know that “the effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.”
So the more righteous people you have praying for you, the more will be accomplished!
The gap that so many Protestants are unwilling to cross is the recognition that death does not separate us from those saints that have gone before us.
They are alive – even more than us.
Dear Ernest.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I feel we are through with our debate. You have been warned, and have no excuse if you continue to defend the non Biblical doctrines of the Papacy. Being spammed by me, will be a much lesser problem, than the comming stern judgment for your falsehood. Repent or perish.
I prefer to believe Scripture.
Scripture says that the Church is the Pillar of Truth.
God Bless
Yeah what is the church. The church is the people who believe in Christ, the “temple built without hands”. A pillar holds something in place, in this case the truth. The true church holds up the truth, the gospel as Jesus and the Apostles taught it. No other gospel.
But you need to make sure that you ARE in the Church, Ernest. The Holy Spirit leads to all truth and those who perpetuate falsehoods are NOT in the truth. Without the Spirit of Truth, we fall into deception and we are not in the faith. I pray that you find Him and the Truth through His Word alone–and not the spurious teachings of men.
I had an epiphany about the Roman Catholic church and its Satanic rituals and productions such as “Stations of the Cross” and movies such as, “The Last Temptation of Christ.”
Those who have been exposed to the dark secrets of this demonic cult know that its core is pure evil and that the Pope and the Jesuits working behind the scenes worship Lucifer.
Satan worship is presented in many forms, the most obvious being the Catholic crucifix where Jesus is depicted as a dead, bloody defeated “person” hanging on a cross as opposed to a risen Savior who is forever alive and has defeated death.
The hideous Catholic production, “The Last Temptation of Christ” focuses on Jesus’ death only, and repeatedly shows a naked, bloody body being beaten for the entire length of the movie which is a totally unbalance, sadistic portrayal, Even as the movie ends it shows Jesus crying out in misery. I walked out of this movie when it came out in the 80’s.
The Stations of the Cross productions at Catholic churches on “Good Friday” (Passover) focus on Jesus’ death, agony and suffering. They end with Jesus being buried in the tomb. There is never any hope. Nothing about His defeat of death and the grave are every portrayed.
It is all about Satan having the victory, hidden in plain sight of those who call themselves “Catholic Christians” but they don’t see how evil it is.
From an article on Rapture Ready on Stations of the Cross, this is what every lying Catholic Church depicts during this presentation:
The stations:
1. Christ is condemned to death.
2. The cross is laid upon him.
3. He has His first fall.
4. He meets His Blessed Mother.
5. Simon of Cyrene is made to bear the cross.
6. Christ’s face is wiped by Veronica.
7. He falls a second time.
8. He meets the women of Jerusalem.
9. He falls a third time.
10. He is stripped of His garments.
11. He is crucified.
12. He dies on the cross.
13. His body is taken down from the cross.
14. He is laid in the tomb.
I realized that this is all part of the Luciferian plan to demean and mock the King of kings and Lord of Lords. It is all just ritualistic occult practices pushed off on the naive Catholic sheep who have never picked up their Bibles to see for themselves what the Holy Spirit wants them to know about truth.
Jesus is not a dead, whipped, suffering, bloody, defeated “savior” as they portray in their mocking Catholic productions.
I proclaim today that JESUS CHRIST, LORD AND SAVIOR HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE AND IS ALIVE FOREVER!
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS A LIE!
JESUS HAS DEFEATED DEATH AND THE GRAVE!
HALLELUIAH!
AND BECAUSE OF HIS RESURRECTION WE HAVE RECEIVED ETERNAL LIFE!
GLORY TO GOD!
PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME!
COME LORD JESUS!
He is Risen! Without the Holy Spirit–“believers” fall so easily into deception (and we know from Romans 8:9 that those who do not have the Holy Spirit living within them are not even Christians at all!). We must pray for all who are presently under deception that at least some of them would truly receive Christ and be saved. The time is very short.
Jonah
What you wrote is not true.
The Catholic Church believe Christ risen from the dead on the third day.
Thus below is proclaimed everyday at every Catholuc Church in the world during Mass.
Christ has died
Christ IS RISEN
Christ will come again
There must be a catch. There’s always something about how the catholic church does things, Some subtle twist. Some way they subtly drop the ball.
First of all if they proclaim it every day in the Mass it’s not exactly proclaiming it to the world, as you say “proclaiming it in the world” behind closed doors, not exactly the same thing. To proclaim it to catholics who have heard it again and again.
Second, do they say the name Jesus? Christ is a title, and the same title false christs would have.
We are acclaiming below 3 on different days. All of them meaning the same to us. I should have used the word acclaim instead of proclaim.
Save us, Savior of the world,
for by your Cross and Resurrection
you have set us free .
We proclaim your Death, O Lord,
and profess your Resurrection
until you come again.
Christ has died
Christ IS RISEN
Christ will come again
Is this making more sense to you?
It all has problems and is curiously void of the name Jesus.
The first one is odd because it starts out asking to be saved by a non specific savior. Maybe they mean the pope since the pope holds a cross and by some twisting of the word resurrection could mean the perpetuation of the pope, as one dies and is replaced. Then ends as though they are already in the state of having been saved “set free”, Though I don’t argue there are different stages of salvation, the promise of salvation by Jesus Christ, which is as good as gold and can be called as good as saved, but then the actual salvation of the resurrect from the dead into eternal life. I suppose you would have to look deeper into the teachings of the catholic church, to see if they line up with the teachings of Christ and the Apostles to be sure if the papacy is the savior they are speaking of or if Jesus Christ is the savior they are speaking of.
Christ “IS Risen” is another odd wording. Christ has risen would seem to be the correct wording if they were talking about Jesus Christ. Christ has risen from the dead and Christ has ascended into heaven. By accentuating “IS” risen, leads me the believe they mean some other Christ. A perpetuating activity such as replacing the pope.
I watched a dvd by Rev. Mike Hoggard a few days ago. It was saying how Satan planned to ascend into heaven and sit on Gods throne, where Christ sits. Though Satans plan backfired killing Christ on the cross, Satan has not given up yet. Like the pheonix plans to rise from the ashes. If the catholic church gets it’s doctrine from the pit of hell, then lets look at it.
Christ had died
Christ IS RISEN (Christ is living)
Christ will come again (Come back to dead?)
Dear ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
The Roman Catholic mass present a different “Christ”. A copy-cat is being worshiped.
1. The “Christ” of the mass is the son of the pagan sinless Queen of Heaven.
2. The “Christ” of the mass can be summond out of Heaven, to be present at the altar.
3. The “Christ” of the mass is sacrificed in a not bloddy manner.
4. The “Christ” of the mass is physically present in the bread.
5. The “Christ” of the mass came from the inner room, and goes back into the inner room.
All of this is blasphemy. That is why tru followers of Jesus the Messiah can never participate in the Catholic mass. Rome has made a copy-cat religion, where Jesus is mocked and rediculed in his own name. That is why the Vatican is the mysterious Babylon, a spirtitual prostitute. She makes idols. She worship idols, and she defame Biblical Christianity.
Ernest,
The root of the RCC is corrupt and evil at its core and sadly the naive parishioners have fallen into a pit of lies because they chose to believe man and not God.
I would suggest you read the books of Malachi Martin, an ex-Jesuit priest and Vatican insider who has exposed the secrets of this evil cult and has seen first-hand that Satan is enthroned in the Vatican.
Some of his books are:
Hostage to the Devil
The Jesuits
Windswept House
The Keys of This Blood
While some of his books are called “fiction,” Dr. Martin claims they are true. He was murdered for exposing the truth.
There are also dozes of Youtube interviews with him that you can listen to. I would suggest you spend time doing that instead of arguing with others here who have seen the truth that you choose to sweep under the rug. Sadly, your excuses and putting the traditions of men first will be judged. Time is running out.
Romans 8:34 King James Version (KJV)
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
1 Corinthians 1:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness
This verse is also why we have Jesus on the cross in our Church. It reminds us of the suffering He went through for our sins.
There are many Catholic prayers and hymns where only Jesus and Jesus Christ is mentioned.
As a matter of interest sometimes we sing:
Jesus Christ has died
Jesus Christ is risen
Jesus Christ will come again
x2
Romans 8:34 doesn’t put all three of those ideas together. Christ died, Christ is risen. There it is ambiguous if by Risen the hymnist means risen from the dead or risen into heaven. The door is still open that the hymnist means he will come again into death.
And the man standing there with a disc like wafer in a sunburst leads me to believe he is aligned with sun worship, Satanism.
But if you believe he means as it is meant in the bible I won’t fault you on it. I think what matters is what the individuals believe, and be true to their own convictions.
Ed
The Catholic Church has never worshipped the sun.
We use the sun imagery in the monstrance to symbolize how Jesus Christ is the Light of the world.
Holy Scripture is replete with verses depicting GOD as analogous to the sun.
Matthew 17:2
“And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his garments became white as light.”
Malachi 4:2
“But for you who fear my name the Sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings.”
Please notice that the word, Sun, is capitalized!
Proverbs 4:18
“But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.”
1John 2:1
“My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous”
Please notice the word “righteous”
John 12:46
“I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness
Just as the physical sun casts off physical darkness, so does the spiritual Son cast off spiritual darkness, for He is “the Light of the World”.
There are dozens more examples.
Therefore again, the Catholic Church does not worship the sun.
All are misunderstandings and a massive propaganda campaigne.
Malachi goes on and not far after the sun (small s) analagy he says and I quote “Remember the law of my servant Moses, the decrees and laws I gave him at Horeb for all Israel.” one of which is “Thou shalt not make any graven images”
You are correct to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it.
But Catholics do not worship statues.
Calling me and other Catholics idolaters because of statues in the Church is based on misunderstanding of what the Bible says about the good and bad purpose of statues.
Exodus 20:4
“You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky
above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth.”
Here GOD clearly said make no images.
Numbers 21: 8-9
“And the Lord said to Moses, “Make a seraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it he will recover.”
Here GOD clearly said make an image.
We Catholics believe Holy Scripture is not in conflict and that above verses are not a misunderstanding or misinterpretation.
Exodus 32:3-4 is a clear violation of the first commandment. The people had accepted and made for themselves a false god.
Chapters 5 and 6 of 1Kings tell of the building of Solomon’s Temple as commanded by GOD, and decorating it inside.
Catholic statues are religious and not false gods.
I have to ask if you can show me documentation which proves that Catholics and I are idol worshippers?
We do NOT worship the statues in our Churches – just as I do not worship pictures of my family inside our militry vehicles or tents.
Dear Ernest
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
We do NOT worship the statues in our Churches – just as I do not worship pictures of my family inside our militry vehicles or tents.
My comment:
Are you trying to convince your self that you are not a liar? Any not blind person can understand what Catholic are doing.
1. The bow before statues
2. They kiss statues.
3. They pray before statues
4. Their priests offer insence before statues.
Ernest you are a corrupt religious person. You are a defender of the doctrines of the papacy, and it does not seems to be any way to rescue you from the comming eternal flames. I urge you to repent. If you do not, playing around on this site is over. Your time is up.
Dear all readers.
I have spamed Ernest. If anyone wants to read and reply to his messages, give me a hint.
Ed
Please guide me to the Bible translation where it is ‘sun’ and not ‘Sun’ in Malachi 4:2
I actually do enjoy investigste matters regarding above.
In that logic you’ve nullified the second commandment. As if by God specifically telling Moses to make something means that people can make any image they want, whether it heals anybody or not and use it as a centerpiece of religious ceremony. If that’s not idolatry what is?
I don’t believe it matters whether the S is capital or lower case, some bibles may have it capital and others lower case. I’ll look it up in my 400 year old bible for fun though. It’s acapital S and no doubt refers to Christ. But I’m not with you on the idea that it’s meant as a license for idolatry.
Now the temple wasn’t God’s idea, it was David’s idea. But God went along with the idea, though not to be built by Davids bloodied hands, instead by his son Soloman. And it was built according to specific instructions from God. What specific instructions from God justify the monstrance sun symbol?
I wouldn’t mind hearing Ernests side of it. He seems to have done his homework and was making interesting debate. Wrong as his conclusions may be.
Dear Ed Jones
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
I wouldn’t mind hearing Ernests side of it. He seems to have done his homework and was making interesting debate. Wrong as his conclusions may be.
My comment:
During the last 7 years of ministering to Catholic clergy, I have come to the conclusion that I do not waste my time. But I have go give these men stern warnings.
Remember they are in need of deliverenace. It is impossible to argu people into the narrow path towards the narrow gate. If the Father do not want to save them, there is nothing we can do to lead them into repentence. The religious spirits are impossible to break, If God our Father do not send His Holy Spirit to deliver them.
Church Fathers celebrated Mass
not a Catholic, but Catholics make very convincing arguments. All the Protestants on this site do is play word games. I do know abit of Koine Greek myself, and whilst not a member of any religion, I have more than a passing interest in religion.
It might interest the Protestants on this site to know, that this sola scriptura kick your on….is only about 500 years old, and biblical literalism itself is prob only 1000 years old.
The NT fits the description of an Ancient Biography, which unlike Modern Biographies isn’t suppose to be 100% factual information. there is lot of Allegory in Ancient Biographies that is designed more about expressing what members of the Jesus Movement believed about his Importance and is less about taking it word for word literally.
Christianity grew up in a time when recorded History wasn’t the major emphasis for writing things down.
Also if the protestants here go on and on about the Catholic Eucharist being a form of cannibalism and it is really only a symbol, but if they knew their Koine Greek they would know the word ‘symbol’ means to take 2 distinct realities and to united them on a metaphysical level.
Catholicism (and Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy) are defiantly the oldest forms of Christianity and the closest to the original that exists today…however it was these religions themselves that created the Literalism that eventually turned into Sola Scriptura and ultimately it came back to bite them on the butt!
but that being said, they are still the closest to the original church (at least what would become proto-Trinitarian Christianity)
oh and protestants….the trinity isnt in the bible either….if you think “father, son and holy spirit” expresses the Trinity your dead wrong. Like all other parts of Christianity, the trinity is needed the Sacred tradition of the church as well as Scripture. So if you believe in the Trinity then you can believe the rest as well!
Folks….
The Christian Religion is a blending of all pagan religions as ‘The Faith’ was conquered by Rome and Hellenized into a Greek appropriate religion that all pagans could and would accept. Look up Council of Nicea where in 325CE/AD – Constantine CREATED SUN WORSHIP AKA the catholic church. He was a Mithra worshipers himself, so brought all his pagan beliefs into HIS CREATED RELIGION. Sun symbolism EVERYWHERE. Catholics don’t listen & understand the Latin being used!! Priests invoke ‘Lucifer’ every mass. Those with ears will hear. The sun worship is blatantly shown everywhere. The glowing ring behind heads….sun. the staff the pope carries, has a sun on it. The fish head hat, pagan from Egyptian pagan sun worship. Check images….it’s not hidden. Those with eyes to see. Search images of sun worship…..
For the purpose of understanding The False Religion, I do not make any distinction between Catholic and Protestant. Both (Catholic and Protestant) together make up Christianity as a whole as defined by the Babylonian rituals through which they worship:
· Sunday Worship
· Trinity “god”
· Jesus
· Christmas
· Good Friday
· Easter
· Call on Baal i.e. The LORD/god – not Yahuah**** written in every Bible.
A total lie from “The Way” found in scripture!
**Yahuah said there is no other Elohim. Where did the trinity come from? Yahusha was a MAN, not an El. So breaks that 1st commandment.
**the name ‘j-sus’ comes from Hesus, Zeus. Etymologically!! Roots people, roots of words give true meaning. H. =Horace, Christ (greek) annionted….but…..is also Sanskrit for Krishna. Look it up.
**christmas is pagan totally, solstice celebration & more Yahusha was born at Sukkot. Not the 25th of December, look up all the deities that brag of this right.
*** ‘j-sus’ religions start Ishtar/Easter by believing ‘j-sus’ was crucified on ‘good friday’, raised on the sun worship day. WRONG!!!! The masses have been duped. Eating Ishtar PIG NOT PASSOVER LAMB. ABHORRENT to Our Elohim. We are NOT to eat pork. It is unclean. All bottom water feeders..ie lobster, shrimp, oysters, snails, crab, cat fish…..not clean. If it doesn’t have fins. Unclean. The laws were NEVER nullified. The pagan creation changed it all.
Yahusha told the Pharisees the only sign He would give was the sign of Jonah. Jonah was in the belly of that whale 3 days & 3 nights. Christian math went out the window here. The pagan creation ‘j-sus’ doesn’t fit this bill now, does he?? Yahusha was nailed to the stake, NOT A CROSS (Constantine creation) SYMBOLISM.
Yahusha was nailed to that stake on Passover, a Wednesday. He was raised on the Sabbath. Not SUNWORSHIP day. ‘J-sus’ is a man made deception. Yahusha, who REALLY LIVED!!! IS TRUTH. Look up these names. Etymologically, there’s a lot of translation errors in this Bible. All done to deceive. You are giving worship to s.a.tan every time you utter g-d, l-rd or j-sus. Research provides ample truth for those who seek. Seek & ye shall find. Yahuah rewards seekers. Look at the obvious math error here. 3 DAYS & 3 NIGHTS isn’t Friday to Sunworship day. He rose on the Sabbath!! In Judaism, that’s Saturday. Eyes open??
I am fully aware that my post is a full frontal assault on the g-d most people have come to believe in. The very one we were warned in The Bible that would lead humanity astray. Even the Elect. Hello??
All I am in search of is the Truth; nothing more nothing less. Whatever that Truth is so be it. I make no excuses for exposing these lies and I make no apologies for the Truth that overcomes them. For all scripture, there’s BACK UP SCRIPTURE. Where in scripture does it say that the 4th commandment was ok to change/ignore??!!!!! Keeping the Sabbath. Yahusha kept ALL the laws. He fulfilled all prophecy. The fake j-sus did not!!
We are to follow the laws, as given in the Torah. Yahuah is our Elohim. Our Messiah is Yahusha. These names were replaced in the Bible. It’s a NARROW gate folks….WHY??!! The greatest deception ever is playing out before your eyes. We’ve been living revelations since Yahusha sacrificed himself. Within 5 years, you will be seeking that gate….
With mass global mind control & tv programming, it’s no surprise that folks will cling to what they’ve been brainwashed into believing. This has been going on decades.
http://www.wantoknow.info. for global events & truths about the reality of how we are mind controlled. This is no joke!! The global elite are staging another world war. Are you still sleeping through this reality?? Time to open your eyes folks.
http://www.sabbathcovenant.com for more scriptural information on the false ‘j-sus’.
Scripture will show & back scripture. If it doesn’t, it’s MAN’S doctrine. Scripture before doctrine, always. If you use a Bible created after 1925, it has been altered in Acts. To accommodate eating unclean animals. Acts 10:14-16…..see Acts 11:28. Geneva bible is correct. Earlier than 1925 publication of the KJV, current Common English study bible is correct! HalleluYah! Scriptures is incorrect as is Restoration Scriptures. These latter translations were from Hebrew. When you really study, too many bibles never happens.
Catholicism is doctrine based, not scriptures. Praying to Mary, a deceased human. Idolatry everywhere. Symbolism everywhere. Pedophile priests, rampant & well hidden/protected. The truth is about to come out blatantly. Watch for it. End times now.
The ‘Plan of Salvation’ is written where NO ONE could change it….in ‘The Heavenly Scroll’. Look up to the heavens!! It’s all there! Yahuah created the Zodiac (greek) –> The Heavenly Scroll. Enoch drew it…..it’s been corrupted by the evil one, of course. Also referred to as the Mazzeroth in the Torah. He is coming back, sooner than you think. His return is foretold above!! Search using alternative engines. This information is being withheld from searches…….obviously someone doesn’t want this known. Good reason to go look.
B = Basic
I = Instructions
B = Before
L = Leaving
E = Earth
Shalom Yahuah barak thee.
Dear Jo
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
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Shalom
The more I learn and Study,
The more i am deeply convinced the RC is the den and peak of Satan on Earth. It is a church of deception of the beast. I would go as far as to say, Church officials are the very embodiment of Satan and his demons. Praise God For the Truth and the Light.
The deceived masses are not bad. Not in mind and not in spirit. They are but simply weak. It is for us to hope we can help them to the path of Gods word and his ultimate salvation.
I do not know what our Lord has planned for those who follow the false leadership of the beast unknowingly, But i do believe the RC clergy, is is serious shape come the final day of judgement.
Some have posted, questioning attendance to the RC church. Yes. I have been. I have been raised and I have endured the churches blasphemous rituals. I only thank the Lord, that my eyes were opened and the true path shown me.
I have yet to see ANY indications in the Bible that would support ANY of the traditions or deceptions currently observed by the RC church. ANY ! In fact i can only find rebukes by our Lord of the very same types of people that now inhabit that said atrocity to God. Where do they think they get this authority to do all these things that do? Not from the Bible.
The very location of the church pinnacle should be an indication.
Who was it that crucified our Lord ?
I pray for those deceived by the beast. There is hope. I pray for the clergy. But I fear, their fate was sealed many thousands of years ago.
My The Lord and Christ redeem and bless you all. Ketch
PS…. Mark 7:18-19 of ANY bible