Just replace the word “God with “Demon” in this video message. And you will get the true story about Heidi Baker.
The outpouring of a false Holy Spirit’ started the day Jesus died on the cross. The first false “Christ’s” where gnostic copies of the Messiah, who false teachers tried to launch into the body of Jesus.
The same gnostic copies of “Christ” is carried into our Churches today. The same copy-cat Holy Spirit’s are taking people for a ride.
When you see this testimony of Heidi Baker, there is a lot of talk about “power”, and the need to feed the children. Miracles and wonders is also highlighted.
Good: Nobel work is done even by atheists and secular people. Their zeal and power often give spectacular results.
But do they also represent God of the Bible?
Be aware, that in this message from Heidi Baker there is no talk about sin. No call for repentance. There is not a single line spoken about the true meaning of the atoning death of the Messiah on the cross. Why He shed His blood for our sins.
Heidi Baker present the “blood of Jesus” as the “cup of suffering and joy”. That is not the cup from Calvary hill, not the blood of Jesus of the Bible.
It is amazing that people buy this message, and want to include Heidi Baker in to the family of Christianity. She fits perfect into any New Age Ministry, where “God” is presented as an electric power, who knock down people are freezes them for hours. Heidi Baker claims she was knocked down with a BOOM, and laid frozen on the floor for tree hours.
This is a demonic force, not the Holy Spirit. The helper and advocate do not come to burn, trouble, cripple or disable the saints. He comes as a comforter, and humble person who will guide us and help us. He will convince us of sins, and call us to repentance. He will motivate us and inspire us to follow the example of Jesus the Messiah.
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, fidelity,meekness, self-control: against such things there is no law.
When people lose self control, behave like mad, disturb and scream, you can be sure a demonic force is manifesting it self in the flesh.
Do not ever, not even for a second, accept this to be fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Rebuke and lock down such manifestations. And thrown this kind of unclean spirits out of the persons who carry them into Christian Fellowships.
There must be someone among you who have been given the gift of deliverance. If not your Christian fellowship is going to fall into deception.
Written by Ivar
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Amen
Heidi Baker has been coming to my Church for years! In Mozambique, Africa that is where her ministry is! She has started 10,000 Churches and houses and feeds thousands of orphans every day. Right now she has 1200 missionaries over there, including my brother! The woman is a modern day Mother Theresa and the presence of God is all over her! Shame on you for spreading lies and tearing her to pieces on spiritual matters you know nothing about!
Now……think real hard! Maybe the Demonic force and deceptive talk is coming from you!
Back up the track, Sweetie!!….you’re time spent at ”accounting” (glorying in on what other people do where you revel in their work, whether it is of God or not…that’s ”flesh”..you are found wanting on Scripture!
We are told ”not to” know any man after the flesh but after the spirit and that includes Jesus Christ….that too is ”Scripture”…
Stay on the porch Pup if you come out in the yard with the big dogs, you’ll get hurt and worse you will hurt the ones who will have to spend time trying to protect you!!
If you want Scripture…on these…”Look it up”…as the Word says you should be teaching by now but you’re still in need of milk…spend more time ‘in the Word of God and less time in what others are doing ”accounting”..we were not called to be Accountants….!
Andrea……..Really? Is that all you got? Shame on you for judging God’s people!
Matthew 7….Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgement you pronounce you will be judged, and with the same measure you use it will be measured to you.
Heidi Baker has raised 100 from the dead….opened the eyes of the blind and has preached the gospel to hundreds of thousands!
Matthew 12:26
If Satan drives out Satan, he is devided against himself. How then can his Kingdom stand?
You are saying she is of the devil…….Interesting!!!
I got a great idea for you! Why don’t you tear down people who are in the world murdering…raping…pedifiles…genocides…extortion……….
But you choose to tear down a beautiful woman of God…interesting!!!!!!!
READERS: BE AWARE OF THIS PERSON AND DONT ENTERTAIN ANYTHING HE SAYS IN YOUR MIND!!!!!
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN EVE ENTERTAINED THE LIES OF THE SERPENT!!!!!!
Cheryl, ..I gave you a lot of ”gold nuggets” in what I said and none of it is what you want…but rather chose to lift up a Catholic who only God knows if she ever repented and accepted Jesus Christ or not..
You claim Heidi came to your church? So?? does that make her something any Christian is not?? Many go to your Church, you do too,…So?? your eyes seek her and her wealth and power she has, your eyes do not seek Jesus Christ….even your accusation of ‘judge not lest ye be judged is ‘another area you twist and use The Word of God to sling like slinging stones at people,…If you don’t judge then rip out all the Scriptures that tells us to judge righteously…
Many here will tell you to Flee these youthful lusts you crave for…they are deceiving you for a greater destruction…put your eyes on Jesus not on the works of the Wold’s people…know this all these who go over seas to ‘do the Lord’s work’…don’t have to pay taxes like they do if they stayed here in America and/or their own country that has heavy taxes.
You say she raises the dead. So?? so did Jesus! I don’t see you flapping your jaws about him like you do about Heidi…many raised people and animals from the dead…that don’t make them God that only glorifies Jesus Christ ”if” they did it at all…beware dear one, Satan will bring more deceptions to hold you fast to this lie you so readily cling to.
There are things in this World that would turn your hair white just the hearing of it let alone the seeing of it…Flee from these things before you become more ensnared by your own lust for power and greed. Run to Jesus!!
Cheryl,
You said: Heidi Baker has raised 100 from the dead….opened the eyes of the blind and has preached the gospel to hundreds of thousands!
My comment: There is no one on this earth who can raise anyone from the dead. There is no one who can perform miracles, other than Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 37:13 And you shall know that I am the Lord, when I open your graves, and raise you from your graves, O my people.
John 5:21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will.
And remember this Cheryl
2 Corinthians 11
13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Gloria, there are and have been people who have raised people from the dead…yes it was thru and by The Holy Spirit thru them…many people and animals etc have been raised from the dead…
Yes Andrea but because of Jesus Christ, never because of man.
This debate, and division and hate grieves the Holy Spirit.
To those who are against Mama Heidi, I will leave you with one question; do you know her personally? Have you spent time with her, suffering in the bush? Do you know what the fruits that come out of her are?
I don’t know anyone who spends as much time in the prayer closet, reading the Bible and talking to her Papa as Heidi. She has MILLIONS of dollars pass through her hands every year, and yet she chooses the life in the slums with the children. When she comes over for conferences, she has exactly 2 conditions; that she gets to worship with the people who are there, and she gets given water.
The kind of fruit that manifests in her are all in the Bible; I don’t know anyone who is so full of love, joy, kindness, patience etc. And the signs and wonders of her ministry verify that it is a move of God. The message of her life is intimacy with Jesus, not a circus of the supernatural as many of her opposition slander her for. You guys love to talk about the Bible so much, and use out of context Scripture to manipulate people into believing that they are wrong, to justify and understanding of God in your box of reasoning. Well, entertain me, and show me where in the Bible you think goes against what Mama Heidi is doing.
Just out of curiosity, what exactly what does this ministry do? Looking around, it looks like it is another hate site of all that’s wrong with the church (some, which I don’t disagree with), instead of preaching the Kingdom to the lost. Did Jesus tell us to judge His bride? Or to go and love imperfect people into the Kingdom?
Common guys, seriously, wake up, and grow up.
To Andrea…you compare yourself to a big dog and imply that a woman filled with the love of God is a wolf-in-sheep’s clothing…last time I checked dogs are biologically related to wolves…and you threaten her that one of the big dogs…like you…might hurt her…this thing about Heidi’s God being a demon seems to me like blasphemy of the Holy Spirit…and I am quite certain that if it isn’t it is because the guy simply doesn’t understand that love produces self-sacrifice on behalf of others and that this is truly a cup of both suffering and joy…I believe that the fruit of the Spirit is love and that other fruits such as joy and longsuffering stem from this love…the idea that Heidi’s God is a demon is preposterous to the highest degree and I would warn people against emulating this man’s sin of calling the Holy Spirit a demon lest you find that you can’t ever obtain forgiveness from the Father no matter how hard you try…of course I don’t know the guy’s heart I can only judge him by his fruit…and you lady, your threats tell me that you are the kind that bears thorns and briers and what does Matthew 7 say about that?
I agree Cheryl.
https://ivarfjeld.com/author/ivarfjeld/ I think it does great damage to the Kingdom of God when you acuse a great follower of Jesus. I do not believe you have really listened to her because much of the negative comments you make are not true. I do not have an opportunity to listen to her often, but when I have had your accusations of no repentance is so far from the truth.Speaking of repentance, the ball is your court.
this woman says gods NOT God ! ok out of her OWN MOUTH she says gods and she boasts of her work which is a sin and she hands out with false prophets and teachers like Rick Joyner and Patricia King so they are demonic also so you have NOT done your research, it won’ matter to Jesus in the end if she is into IDOLATRY that is a SIN and if she doesn’t follower the bible she will surely go to hell
You are correct about the Baker’s deception. However what makes them so dangerous is the very ministry that the other who have commented on have lauded so highly.
This article from unicef illustrates the destructive nature of charismatic and pentecostal movements in Africa (and the world as a whole) http://www.unicef.org/wcaro/wcaro_children-accused-of-witchcraft-in-Africa.pdf.
The Baker’s may have orphanages but their are not enough of them to begin to meet the staggering number of children that their ideological position has caused to be cast out of their own communities. The childish belief in demons is creating refuge camps of children and elderly single women who are believed to be witches and possessed by demons. It’s literally insane as these are the individuals that gospel teaches us to care about most passionately.
I don’t think the Baker’s do this harm our of malicious intent but rather out of sheer ignorance and a genuine desire to do good, but almost all evils are born of a perverse desire to make the world a better place.
Satan will automatically get someone ‘with good intentions’ to wind up eventually doing ‘his will’ ‘for their gain monetarily, notoriety, the bottom line is greed. and Greed is a spirit from the pits of hell….they may not ”think” it is Satan alluring them to these things..yet the ‘Brass Ring’ is still swinging ever so close to all who ride that Ferris Wheel to catch it! And only Jesus can break that if the person diligently prays they ‘only want HIM’ not all the glitter these ‘Hawkers’ offer all the answers in their books…What is God Stupid, is the Holy Ghost ignorant is Jesus a Liar? …God forbid!!! there are many books written about HIM…many of them will and are good…But NONE out weight the priceless jewel filled with Eternal Life if they choose to believe it…or Eternal Death if they choose to not believe it.. I see men and women go into Bible Studies with ‘other books’ about prophets, history, proven facts of God’s existence, spiritual darkness, how to books….with out the Word of God opened before them…is Man now smarter than God? is or these how say some passages are too much for children…’sensitive ears’…When the father and mother took their children to Church and they all listened to the Preacher they had a 100 % chance…but when Know-it-all Preachers split up the Congregation into ”Nurseries, Toddlers, Youth, Teens, Young Adults…Married, Unmarried….Older folks…they are shouting loud and clear in the face of Almighty God ..what Jesus Preached and is wrong…!!! …We have Ripppped out out so many Scriptures out of His Word to be ‘correct, Politically Correct…Scripturally Correct’ that all is left is….is Demon Correct! “How to go to Hell”…!! Fact!
Just like Satan did a number on the Family…other people raise their children while they work….the prisons and streets (waiting to go to Jail) are full of these facts….yet all were born babies…and all are being stripped with the Truth and filled with Lies….Give them the ‘RAW Word of God and you will see Results! Jesus did and many even today run from the Church’s Denominations Faiths they were brought up into!….They are looking for the Real Jesus…even HE said they will cross the oceans to make some ‘twice fold’ the child of hell!! But they still flock to other lands across the Oceans and come back to their own Country and spew how great God is…with all ”they have done”……….LIARS!!
The devil is not in the business of saving people,or providing for them,he is a liar,accuser,.we get so pre-occupied with our man made laws we are blind to Gods miracles,doesn’t it say we will do greater things than these?
The people are NOT charismatic or Pentecostal. They are FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE CHRISTIANS. A CHARISMATIC or PENTECOSTAL CHRISTIAN FOLLOWS THE WORD OF GOD and act like JESUS.
Dear Pastor Pethrus
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I deleted your long comment. Please write short comments, and stick to the topic.
JESUS became our sin….people fall at her feet in repentance all over the world. I was there in Asia when 700 people rushed to the front of the auditorium to repent and give their lives to the LORD. Religious leaders called Jesus the devil as well — they accused OUR PRECIOUS SAVIOR of deception. Be careful where you point your finger. EXAMINE THE FRUIT! What have you done lately?
I agree, look at yourself before you judge others
Rolland’s the true one and the reason for everything good in that ministry, especially since Heidi is rebellious against the propriety in worship verses of the Bible that Paul said needed to be done for the sake of the angels. She needs to understand that Rolland is her covering to correct anything that she might say wrong any time she prophesies. I’ve heard her say some good things that were spoken against and I’ve heard her say bad things that everyone else loved. Rolland told me what I needed to hear when I needed to get back on track with Jesus in SC and Heidi was nowhere around: they’re supposed to be a husband and wife team, and Heide travels miles to the West to tell the church here about how she’s suffering in the west in the bush when a lot of blessings flow through that ministries hands like drills for wells and if she’s suffering in the bush and being bitten by spiders that’s her fault. And if there are wells drilled in that land then there’s plenty of clean water she doesn’t need to ask the church in the west to get water. she’s not being self-sacrificial but stupid. I didn’t have to see Jesus in that vision to know that that word was for everyone and she’s disobeying she wants everyone to believe she’s obeying. Think about how what she’s doing would be sinful in God’s eyes. It’s called asceticism historically in the book of Colossians (touch not, taste not, handle not, etc.) written by Paul to deal with a variation of Gnosticism afflicting that church. I’m wondering if this is like the second century when Gnostics tried to claim apostolic authority by giving their lying documents names of famous born again believers so everyone would believe they were inspired but intended to destroy the core of the truth that brings salvation to those who know the truth: such things as eternal hell, justice, mercy, faithfulness, and God’s love. If Jesus didn’t come in the flesh then He didn’t really suffer on the Cross, His blood is a figment of the imagination and has no power to save anyone, and there is a host of other things people will come to believe through their writings that seem so noble and worthy and when it works to give people an appearance of holiness people think it’s the truth; the truth is the devil leaves them alone and doesn’t tempt them anymore because if they want to look holy it is to his advantage because he can propagate his lies looking like they’re righteous. Have ye never read (as Jesus would say) that satan himself is transformed as an angel of light; how much more shall his ministers be transformed as ministers of righteousness. That’s what Gnosticism and other false religions do: they subject their people to bondage while their proponents and advocates seem hungry for truth,
What you saw was witchcraft manipulation. I ought to know, I came out from this foul New Apostolic Reformation movement. Paul warns about ministries like Bakers in 1 Tim. 4:1-5. These people are manipulative, which means they’re operating from a position of hypocrisy (which Jesus warned us about in spiritual authorities). These insincere “ministers” unleash seducing spirits that deceive people and bring them under their mind-control and spiritual blindness. Check it out, it’s rampant:
What does the fruit of your tree look like you just quoted a scripture that fits Hiedi perfectly I know what part of the body you are the boney petrified finger of the body gutless
Hello Ivar, I don’t know what your reaction has been to my post but I just want to send a comforting word your way if satan is heaping condemnation on you because of my words. 2 Corinthians 2:8-11 and 2 Corinthians 7:8-11 speak of what I hope has been your reaction to them. Now I am getting older and my memory of scriptures in the tanach are waning, but I believe there was a certain king to whom the priests read the law of God and that king repented in sackcloth and ashes and the judgment on God’s people was delayed until another king arose, or perhaps it was two kings later, I don’t remember. The point being that our attitude when confronted by sin when we are properly responding to the Holy Spirit would be to weep over such a sin and even begin to bawl extensively over what you have done. If you have had this reaction, then He has not ceased striving with you, or if you will have this reaction in the future (not worked up in the flesh but genuine repentance), then He has not ceased striving with you and it is possible for you to be forgiven. God will call your sin something other than “blasphemy against the Holy Ghost” on that day. I do believe that you have spoken against what you do not understand…the point of what happens in these revivals is that God is doing a counter-move to all of the witchcraft that takes away the freedom of His own saints to healthily express their emotions the way He created them to. He has decided in His sovereignty to override by force the power of satan that is keeping these saints in bondage, and the deep hurts that are in these people’s hearts are most definitely expressed in ways that are judged by the natural man. Being able to do these things without restraint is true freedom for these people. I have been a victim of mental illness caused by witchcraft and will very likely carry the stigma of this till the day I die. I understand what I know the Holy Spirit is doing for these people because I have been there. People are placed in basic prisons (called mental health centers or mental hospitals depending on the nation) and if they express any kind of grievance at sin they are injected with soul-killing drugs that cause great spiritual pain from feelings of condemnation because they have been spiritually raped by the witchcraft that was forced upon them in those places, they are actually forced through conditioning to commit the sin of witchcraft willingly (or so they think) because the system makes sure that if they don’t continue with the chemicals, taking them by mouth every day, they will be imprisoned again and placed in a more unpleasant situation than before, which lasts longer every time and the sinful things placed before them through television (because they also take in people who are comforted by the witchcraft and delight in looking upon those sins. Demons usurp access through the consented taking of those drugs which they are conditioned to take for the rest of their lives under threat of the law (see Psalm 119:69). A side note that has come to mind: the fruit of the Spirit in our lives replaces the law as the governing factor according to scripture: it is an inward writing of the law of God on the hearts of men through the indwelling Holy Spirit which replaces the outward condemnation of the letter and sets free those who are given the capacity to express their emotions this way and also walk according to love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, and self-control. They are in full control of their faculties unless the Holy Spirit has to take control of something in their bodies to make it unpleasant and even unbearable for the demonic forces that are controlling them (because they have lost control when the Spirit takes control. Once the Holy Spirit has done His job of ridding them of those satanic bondages, He will fill them if they ask Him to and thus these people have perfect liberty to do as they please, which if God is dwelling in their hearts what they please is to “go and sin no more”. Jesus has come to set the captives free, not only those who are in physical prisons, but those who are held captive to drugs and addictions which were forced on them while in specifically named physical prisons, which look different on the inside and men ae deceived because of something they saw on a television shoe that most Americans remember that had Ron Howard as Opie and you know that sherrif guy who kept the drunk in jail, where he was happy, and anyway, that’s what prison and jail cells look like, not what people see inside these closed walls that may have comfortable beds and decorations pleasing to the eye, but which do not negate the spiritual and physical suffering that is inflicted by “mental health workers” within those walls. And why do people go for this? because people who are about justice and righteousness of the Bible are hated if they lift up their voice and the effect of these drugs is to squelch our voice because we know what it says in Matthew 7:1-6, that we have to take the beam out of our own eye before we can see clearly to take the speck out of our brothers eye. When a person gets the Spirit of truth through repentance and long hours of absorbing the revelation of scripture, he is considered dangerous by the enemy of all living things, the adversary because the Spirit of truth is the giver of clear vision(s).
Decided to keep that last typo in in parentheses because it applies so well to everything and what God wants to do in fulfilling Joel 2 and Acts 2.
And the hated people (to finish a previous thought) are not hated anymore as long as they don’t say anything about their faith and when they feel condemnation over their own sin they are even as unbelievers who refrain from proper judgment (Philippians 1:9, KJV) because they do not ever want to be judged. Nevertheless there is a Great White Throne Judgment coming upon which Jesus Christ will sit along with the 24 elders who represent all the saints who are redeemed by the blood of Jesus, and all of whom will take part in the judgment of all who never knew the Lord, and whom the Lord never knew.
When people are imprisoned and forced to do things that invite demonic activity if they even express any kind of emotion that indicates they are disturbed by what they see on the television (some of which are taped moves that are replayed for this purpose) they are considered mentally unhealthy by psychology when the opposite is true: true mental health is defined by grievance of the heart when faced with wickedness in its rawest forms, such as the murder which I was forced to watch (supposedly the man with the tatoos had a possibility of escaping the swinging pendulum that eventually split his stomach open causing blood to pour out, after his wrists were trapped by a mechanism so he could not ever really have a chance of getting out of the contraption designed to have a 100% chance of killing the victim, at the beginning of one of the SAW movies and the attempted axe murder displayed in psycho. We are told that these things are not real and have become deluded by this lie (2 Thessalonians 2:11) propagated by the showing of impossible things over the television screen which we think of as “special effects”. People must be insane themselves to think that the blood coming out of people’s bodies in some of these movies are actually pig’s blood splattered over them made to look like they are really bleeding. These kinds of movies were made before computer imaging technology and there are not enough actors in the world for all of these movies to be acted out rather than lived out under the eye-spy of hidden cameras and micro-micro-phones; and technology is reaching the point where time travel will become possible soon if it has not already happened in secret places of the government; and I also once read in a book that was originally placed in non-fiction section but the book store owner told me that he put it in the science fiction section where I found it when he sold it to me, a guide to time travel and how it would develop, that had two copyright dates on it. It told of the secret of time travel which I revealed momentarily in a book I authored under the pen name of John Calvary entitled Hitler’s Bane. I don’t know why I’m saying all of this, it probably seems like I’m ranting and raving but the Spirit of God I’m thinking has a specific purpose in this as it is a part of the testimony that I hold of my experience, by which I know that I shall overcome satan and all of his powers, whom I will overcome also with the blood of the Lamb and the fact that I have not loved my life and will not love it to the death although I am content and happy in my current living situation with my wife and kitty. Blessed (happy) are the poor in spirit…those who mourn…those who are meek…those who hunger and thirst after righteousness (for they shall be filled)…the merciful…the peacemakers…the pure in heart (for they shall see God)…and all those who are persecuted for righteousness sake (for theirs is the kingdom of heaven)…the Beattitudes Matthew Chapter 5…Praise God the Lord YHWH Almighty OMNIPOTENT HOLY SPIRIT.
Was very tired tonight and did that very lazily without putting much effort in, I know that probably what I wrote looks out of whack but what can you do when there is an urgency to write something for a specific purpose (of preventing the devil from winning over someone through feelings of condemnation) and you know you are not going to sound right or look right but you know the message is important–every word. And I knowi misspelled some things which gives me the opportunity that Jesus didn’t die for mistakes because it is sins of the heart that are considered iniquity in the sight of God and therefore mistakes such as typos can be forgiven if you are unable to correct them because of course the appearance of the word is very important in God’s sight; a man must not think shoe when it is the noun show and of course if someone does not understand that ae translates into are then they are among the 45% of people who read words letter by letter rather than the whole word and thus the concept given by thee Spirit.
It appears to me that the devil himself has possessed the A.I. on this website to tell me that he now has an opportunity to do something to me because I said mistakenly that Jesus didn’t die for mistakes. This was an obvious error and sin. Stupid mistake on your part devil. Didn’t you know that I would pray in my prayer language and defeat you with a word? 1 John 1:9 devil. Read it and weep.
I’m laughing at you devil. You basically exposed yourself with that one.
I think what I meant to say was that God doesn’t consider mistakes to be sins and what I know I did write which now appears to be gone is that God looks at sin as being a heart issue so of course Jesus didn’t have to die for what He doesn’t consider to be sin. Thank You and Praise You Lord.
John 1:5 and Ephesians 5:7-14. Whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Now did he just restore what I wrote or is my mind playing tricks on me? You decide, but think off Hosea 9:7 when you make your decision and think of how 2 Timothy 1:7 applies.
I’ve seen this happen before in private when I could edit it later. I would write it perfectly, hit post, and then look back at the post and some kind of error in spelling occurred that I had to go back and edit again sometimes more than once until it was perfect. Now I aim at perfection, but some idiot made this website without an edit option for posts: who would do such a thing? Of course I know what right thinking is but even I know that I am schizoaffective or bipolar so I take great pains to make sure I communicate the truth properly as I understand it from the word and in the plainest communication possible In the post directly above I do believe that I spelled “of” correctly but there are viruses in computers that even change the spellings of words if you will believe it; if the devil can send a message to me with the intention of making people think I wrote it myself and to make me look like some kind of charlatan then he can make the word “of” turn into “off” using virus technology: I do believe that computer viruses are like demons to sound programs in computers: they operate primarily through deception to change the programming so that it doesn’t do what it’s supposed to. Common knowledge, but what is the application here?
Time for me to get some sleep. Night night. I wonder if I’m healed of my mental illness and this is why I’m relating so differently while the same word of God resides in my heart. Strange and interesting to me.
Blessings to all who hear the word of God and keep it. Amen.
Ivar, I feel I need to apologize to you. Whether I put you through undue stress lover believing such an abominable lie (in that I suggested to you that you were eternally condemned because of faith I had in some woman) or whether you understand beyond a shadow of a doubt that what you say is true, I was wrong to say those things to you, and I repent. Throughout all last night I didn’t sleep and the conclusion I have made from my dreams while awake is that IT MUST BE that there is at least a 99% probability that this couple is what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 7:21 and whereabouts since they are very likely in it for their own glory and their own gain. Somehow God used similar ministries to help me because I was trusting that they were of God and would help me with my problems and I guess I fell for it because of my need. Thank you for praying for me. I don’t know if you will be able to convince a Gentile after they see the nature of the miracles that it is objects appearing out of thin air such as gems and gold dust and real physical healings. But a black man named Zoe Warren is performing miracles of healing in South Carolina who was my friend once because I anointed his son with oil and prayed for his son, but we had an extensive conversation about the relationship with grace and works and he sided too heavily on salvation by works and it was unbiblical and he persisted in believing his own doctrine even after I showed him from Romans 4:4-8, Titus 3:4-7, Romans 11:6 and perhaps other passages also that he was in error. At the end of that conversation via private messaging, he told me in his own way that he believes he is Jesus Christ, basically he claimed to be Jesus. How is it that the Gentiles don’t understand that there will be lying signs and wonders in the last days? At Calvary Chapel Network they showed me that the pastor of Bethel Church at Redding, also part of the (N)ew (A)postolic (R)eformation, promotes kenosis theory which teaches that Jesus ceased to be God when He died on the cross, but we know that our God is immutable: my answer is that even as Jesus took on Himself a nature of flesh and did not cease to be God, He also took on a nature of sin and did not cease to be Holy God. 2 Corinthians 5:21 or somewhere I am getting lazy and that may not be the right verse, but seek and you will find the concept that Jesus became sin for us that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. The sin offering in the tanach was still holy. I learned this while I believed I was a Gentile Christian from a man who had only a few flaws in his teaching and while I did not look it up I believed that he was faithful to what he believed God was telling him to preach. lying signs and wonders that appear to be of God but which point to lying doctrines such as kenosis theory. And they all fall in line with each other’s teachings since they are aiming for unity so I am certain that if they don’t all yet believe in this new development, they will most certainly fall in line with it as soon as they hear of it and read it in this book by Bill Johnson called Heaven meets earth or some such thing. Did you pray that I would say something about whether I believe that the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled? An old itallian song about pizza in the moon sky or some such thing in the morning was sung by a prophet on the GodTV network and he said that God told him that his hearing of that song meant that the times of the Gentiles ARE fulfilled, and I believe this is absolutely true. After they have said for so many years that the Jews will never believe in Jesus even though Paul wrote in Romans 11 that in the last days all of Israel shall be saved (probably as a result of his own prayers for us), it turns out that the opportunity for salvation has ended for most of them although there is the doctrine of tribulations saints. It will not be easy for them to avoid the mark of the Antichrist. They are so indulged in sexual pleasure (as I was until only practically yesterday with the practice of masturbation; when my wife told me to go and do it again practically a million times, and of course I am exaggerating, but am I? and I got so angry with her that she almost threw me into the witch’s prison yet again: why do they want to live forever without God? They don’t know what they’re asking for. And yet if they are a tongue, tribe, people or nation even some of them will be saved according to Revelation.) in their hearts and actions they have no clue that the book of Revelation and Daniel are absolute truth and shall happen in the near future, even as God said in Ezekiel to me that it will no more be said that the time is afar off. I believe very strongly that the black man who runs the country that I live in is the Antichrist himself. I have seen on the internet a curriculum for schoolchildren with glowing rays around his head and false stories about his childhood being virtuous that are given to schoolchildren in the United States and even the great celebrities of this culture have actuallly worshipped this man as God just as was prophesied in the apostle John’s second to last book. (As I have heard that Revelation was written prior to the gospel of John); which gives me hope about a particular verse in Revelation that was very likely inserted by some witch to change the entire meaning of scripture at the very end so that Jesus winds up being Lucifer of Isaiah 14 according to a careful reading of the New American Standard Bible. Then the threat that this thing must not be taken out upon penalty of what amounts to be eternity in the lake of fire, with a promise of grace at the end, that is the only thing that doesn’t click with me about the book of Revelation. Paul the apostle wrote in Galatians that even if we, or an angel from heaven preaches another gospel than what we have preached to you, let him be eternally condemned. I had some kind of strange experience where I thought that John was some kind of spirit inside of a camera trained on me in a small room and there was a microchip in the center of his digital brain that carried a virus that would destroy his soul This may have some kind of typical or parabolic meaning (he was saint John the Beloved. God forbid that what God showed him about the end would condemn him because he was forced by witchcraft to pen the damning lie at the end. And if I be an overcomer in the church at Sardis (and does not Calvary Chapel have a name that it is alive? even pointed out by some of their best Bible College Students while I was there) And while some things in Revelation may be a false gospel, yet the things written therein are coming to pass in the nation where I live. To me the everlasting gospel is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and we know that the Antichrist will be claiming to be God immediately before an angel from heaven proclaims what men will believe is the everlasting gospel to worship God who made the waters and to me everything else in existence although they will mistake that angel to be saying that they should worship the Antichrist who will claim to be the Father returned to earth according to a false prophecy given within Oneness Pentecostalism; though I believe they intended it as bait for the Antichrist who will shed all doubt in his heart that he is not God by bringing in the abomination of desolation (read Matthew 24 carefully and understand) by sitting in the temple that he himself will provide so he can sit on the mercy seat himself and tell himself that he is truly God the Father. Now that is true insanity, whoever he is! he will not be truly revealed until that event takes place; so do what you can to make sure the people in charge of building it may put in hidden cameras trained on the mercy seat so the world will be watching unbeknownst to him and we will be able to flee, if we are in Judea at the time, to the rock city of Petra where there is a generous storehouse of food and water provided for Israel by Gentile saints who have gone to be with Jesus as far as I know. Take heed to the warning: if you are on the housetop when you see it on your iphone or whatever device you have set to it, don’t go down into your house to grab anything, but by faith go straight to the destination point. We will have to work so that he knows that Jesus Christ is the Lord of all, even the Father too even if he thinks he is the Father he will have to obey Jesus and let us flee, we must make sure he understands that part of Matthew 24, lest the Lord return at that moment and consume him with the spirit of His mouth. And consider also carefully the words of Jesus in Mark 13:28-37, we will watch for both the Antichrist and the return of Jesus Christ in His glorious appearing. Also what Paul wrote to complement the Mark passage lest anyone spiritualize it, in 2 Corinthians 11:27. They will not be able to watch because those drugs put them to sleep so they don’t have to deal with their problems and the government takes care of their every need so that they don’t have to worry; they are seeking first the kingdom of the Antichrist and all these things are added unto them. And yet we know the true God, Jesus Christ, will come again in the clouds in the same manner which he went up into the air before the very eyes of the first apostles. He will set His feet upon the Mount of Olives and will overcome the uncleanness of the Muslim graves in His Omnipotence (unless the Muslims remove the graves for the sake of the Antichrist so he can enter in through the east gate, which to me is only a possibility because I have not studied the prophecy about that very extensively at this time.
And the God that we serve is most definitely the true and living God who shows us His perfect love; and it is very possible that the scribes and Pharisees knew the prophecies so well that they knew they had to fulfill them in making Isaiah 53 come to pass as predicted although I’m certain they hated what they did afterward:bug be a Berean according to Acts 17:11 and check this statement as to whether it is true according to the gospels.
devil you’re a liar: I’ve never misspelled my words in the past and I haven’t started now. You told me now you have an opportunity and you’re taking it. You want to condemn me for mistakes I’ve made because I won’t confess that they’re sins; or you want people to think that I’ve suddenly started misspelling words when the testimony from a clloud of witnesses in all my dealings as Mighty Pentecostal at cygnus-study, also my own name there as well as outcast Heartwashed at biblenet.net, Geoffrey41 at CARM: I am no longer a proponent of Oneness doctrine as that devil would have you believe by the way he changed what I wrote in the last post here with that virus of his; thank you Beukeboom for showing me that the Persons in the Godhead are distinct biblically whether you personally are true or false; since your offense was not in the message of the cross but in the way you presented yourself; and yet you have convinced me that Oneness doctrine is false and I thank you for that. I would never hit post if I had misspelled but as bug; God knows that I have always made sure that errors like that don’t exist in my writing and I have not changed in this ingrained desire for perfection in proper grammar and spelling to make sure that people don’t misunderstand what I’m saying or else be turned off to what I’ve written because of shoddy penmanship or spelling. So have a taste of your own medicine: that’s right; I accuse you of doing these things because I certainly didn’t do it, and you’d better fess up to the Lord Jesus now in His holy name. I give you one hour and then I’m going to ask my Omniscient and Omnipotent Father to punish you for your lie and your attempt to destroy my credibility yet again now in a different way yet with the same intent of wanting to make me look even more insane so you can subject me to addiction to legal narcotics in the long run through your lackeys in the so-called mental health community who are verily against mental health and the cause of mental unhealth so they can give what they say is the remedy and make the world pay for it with the government’s money payed for by our taxes; although I have been exempt from taxes because I am a son and because my stigma makes the government pay me income rather than take away money that I have earned through the work ethic that is truly in my life although people seem to think I’m lazy because I focus on God’s word and prayer 24/7 like God wants me to do; and you want to tell people that that isn’t work or labour. Let them study to show themselves approved and they will begin to understand what Solomon said in his second listed book about much study being wearisome to the flesh. This is spiritual warfare and I am addressing you devil and if someone thinks I’m ranting that’s on them because I’m not talking to them but you and if they understand what I’m saying and reject it then that’s on them (and you). devil, the word is nigh me in my mouth and in my heart and you had better believe that I’m not just talking into the air but I am using the sword of the Spirit against you. Whatever your virus does to the final outcome of this message after I hit post is irrelevant you know what was written to you.
And now you took away the comma that I placed between the word outcast, which was one of my internet names, and Heartwashed, which was another one of my internet names at biblenet.net. I don’t remember what I wrote there, but I don’t think the Lord would let me teach anything false at that point in my life, although I may have been mistaken; and yes , Jesus did die for mistakes too; because if they are tantamount to sins, forgiveness is needed, but if God considers them mistakes and not sins God will never condemn a man for being imperfect only for what He knows is a heart sin. And by He I mean God, not the man whom God forgives because anyone who has seen me write knows that I normally capitalize the personal pronoun for God although for a short season I personally wrote those pronouns like the OKJV does it with small letters. I exalt God and if I ever exalted myself above Him then woe be unto me I know I would have a fate worse than death. Whoever the real Antichrist is, either doesn’t believe in the reality of that fate or else wants to experience fire on his skin and in his soul: plus worms eating him through and through for all of eternity. Took authority over that virus and the devil so it would come out right this time.
Dont fight. 🙂
I have listened to almost every sermon she has given on you-tube. they are always the same,she never veers from her base. You are not going to hear about repentence and sin in one clip,think about it,do you say what needs to be said every time you talk to someone about Jesus? Everything is in context,We have a tendency to judge people from one paragragh they said,trust me,in everything I have heard from her,she includes all what you questioned in the proper context. Why are we so quick to slam others? She has a genuine love for the lost,expecially those throw away children,and she loves them and feeds them,and people question her motives? Hello? I don’t think I would last one day in Africa. Jesus works through this willing vessel,she could not do it on her own power. Are there more of us out there willing to lay down our lives?
Christian fanatics…. totally ignorant…. full of bile and hatred… opening up the Bible, reading a little (through translations other than the original Hebrew or Greek) and thinking you’re all knowledgeable when you’re as ignorant as sin: sin that you’re steeped in… just look at the way you attack each other when someone presents an opinion different from yours! Hearts as hard as stone, thinking Jesus is your own personal possession and totally on your side… when he does come back, he’ll be taking a sword or worse to the lot of you. And guess what? For those who associate partners with God, the Fire of Hell is eternal.
Lol what’s the hate all about. How about agree with truth. Not false noise so people look like they know what they’re talking about. Focus on love and not hate.
Rather focus on the Truth, & to this Is the Bible with its Revelations as standard, off Jesus Christ, for the word love can be very deceptive today like calling sodomic unions (spear headed by America) as love, when the Bible in truth, calls it as Lust of the flesh.
Hi Ivar.
God knocked Paul of his horse and kept him blind for 3 days. Heidi Baker got knocked of her feet.
In the OT priest couldn’t stand on their feet when the Spirit of God descended. The first church got “moved” by the spirit. Wonder what that would have looked like.
I see people that fully yield to Him and become bornagain and people who just criticise and never grow to the fullness of the image of God, as before the fall (It’s the first and second Adam thing). They never experiencing baptism in the Holy Spirit, His tangible presence, miracles, never cast out demons, never heal the sick. They are pittyfull. Meanwhile they call others, who do walk like Jesus and do even greater things, demonpossed.
Everyman is predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ. 9 fruits, 9 gifts. Not everyman reacts to/understands that calling and remains partially in his flesh.
God is God and is Spirit, so He might act in ways the fallen man cannot comprehend.
Calling a work of the Holy spirit a work of demons is very, very dangereous btw.
Ever since satan deceived Eve in the spirit , he has a certain hold over women spiritually, meaning however sincere a woman may be, when it comes to matters of faith he turns it into his advantage, the serpent that he is . To this truth is the Bible – the word of God which expressively says that women shall not preach, that is to spiritual matters , but women like Heidi flout these rules thinking that they do a favour which but turns out have the opposite effect , to the cause of the very fall of Protestantism, started with inducting women priests , then bishop’s, utterly falling into sodom unto the various compromises that effected the faith, even through feminism unto its radicalization as the army of satan.
After the fall at Eden & in order to save the woman, God put 2 wedges between the serpent & the woman 1) the Enmity 2) that her desire be to the man from whom she was made , even her origin , lest she become the moll of satan & be lost forever.
So where in the Bible does it say women are suppose to preach?
Wow. Sexist much?
Jesus can use a woman or man to spread his word. Jesus can use a woman or man, so he (Christ) can heal. And I’ve seen Jesus use both to do many things in the name of Our King Jesus Christ.
Jesus has used me to tell people he loves them. He has allowed me to see angles and demons. and Christ has spoken to me several times, all for the GLORY OF OUR SAVIOR.
Grow up! Why ask others ”where does it say in the Bible”? That only shows ALL that you not only have not read the Word of God but it also shows The Truth, The Gospel of Jesus Christ The Word of God is not that important to you to even read it…Thus giving you a ‘Masters Mentality’ and requesting your ‘slaves, folks lower than you to do all the work and you not lift a finger…Shame on you…If and when you know the Truth you would recognize who is a babe in Christ and who is not and who the wolves are, you dear one are a ‘Brat in the Spiritual World’…of both, Saint and Sinner alike, it’s not that important to you and when you are told the answer to your questions, you will and ”have” rejected it….like even now you’ll reject the truth of what I just said or go and do as Jesus said, Seek ye the Kingdom of God an all His Righteousness! …The only Jesus (the false Jesus) you know which is not the Lord of Glory will continue to lead you to the Gates of Hell if you don’t Repent and Believe The Gospel of Jesus Christ….FACT THOSE WHO REPENT will be as New Born Babies,,,,they will desire the Sincere Milk of the Word of God….they will be hungry for it…
Doesn’t the Bible teach love? Why would anyone listen and believe what you have to say when you treat them like that? I’m not saying that either of you are right or wrong but insulting someone surely isn’t the right way to go about this from a Biblical standpoint.
Sweetheart I fully understand that you can not see any ‘love in me’…you’d have to be able to see the Love of God in Christ at Calvary before you’re ever able to see the love of any of His children. Yet I will continue to pray for you…Read His World seek Him till you have that peace that passes all understanding until then you’ll continue to be one of those who were danced and sung to yet you did not sing nor dance with them…sad truly sad!
Hi Andrea
if you don’t believe Heidi is not a woman of God why don’t you preach the gospel and stop wasting your time trying to prove to people what you believe. most of the things you are saying are just unnecessary. you could have used this time build others in love. the word says we must say what builds. You must be spending time building the Body of Christ. It is better to listen to Mama Heidi’s videos because they build me up in Christ and they make me to want to know Christ and love you and others more. My brother I love you but please my brother use this opportunity to preach Jesus Christ. Argument is like dust and it causes offense and hate and that is not what we are as the body and the bride of Jesus Christ. Instead pray for the apostles the teachers, pastors, prophets and evangelist to speak what Jesus speaks…so we may grow all of us in one maturity and one faith as the body of Christ.
I love you all brothers and sisters in Christ and even those who have not yet known Christ personality.
Jesus Loves you and He came to take the sin of the world.
Where in the bible does it say we are suppose to use cell phones? Drive cars? Vote?
I thought about it also,but when you think about it,(if you listened and seen her videos) A male would not have the “mother” love that these children needed,someone to take them in their arms and hug and love them unconditionally.these kids are dirty,lice filled,smelly,and not very lovable because of rejection. but God gives her the capacity to be patient and loving . and because she is the one taking care of them,she is the one everyone wants to hear from.The emotion and tears could not be duplicated by her husband,who,by the way is there with her doing the things that she can’t possibly do,the administration of the village and all the volunteers that come and go.She has the heart of the mother,and when she talks to the audiences,she’s usually weeping,God used some women for His purposes and glory. psalm 115 says,i am the lord,and I will do as I please.
She sounds like she is lying. She could be making that stuff up to justify herself as a teacher.
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I have spammed the last incomming message from Rommgirl. If you, or other readers, desire to have her back, let me know.
ALL RELIGION IS DOMINATED AND CORRUPTED BY MEN GOD created woman in his great plan
So your saying women should not be left out of the dominating and corrupting of reiigion? It seems like Heidi is thinking the same way.
your twisting,ED they mock you on yhis site they say god does not send messages to people he does over and over but most are to self rightous to hear saying its the work of satan they did that to jesus and we all know what happen’d there dont we GOD uses whom he chooses its his right .Like I said to ivar it serves him well to preach his hate for others it helps sells his books and fund his life style what does he do to help others his conversion in 2007 an athiest finds the truth.good people that have walked with jesus in there lives since childhood he condems as false
Dear Rommgirl.
Shalom, and lobe in Jesus.
You wrote:
Like I said to ivar it serves him well to preach his hate for others it helps sells his books and fund his life style what does he do to help others his conversion in 2007 an athiest finds the truth.
My reply:
You are not even able to even give me a correct deffinition of the word “Hypocrite”. And still you want us to pay attention to your opinions? I am not sure why you continue to write messages on this blog. Since you are not involved in any debate on scripture. Please leave.
Dear Rommgirl.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
your twisting,ED they mock you on yhis site.
My reply:
Ed tried to invite you to a debate on woman’s role in the Church. Are you able to join such a debate based on scriptures, or are we only going to spend time entertaining your private opninion?
Please tell us what Paul says about women. In particular if they can, or cannot hold an office of a Biblical teacher? If you are not capable, please leave this site.
Sorry Ivar,why spam me i only criticized you not GOD and i cannot reply straight away as im attending to my husband and child as my womanly duties are asked of me what do you think Paul was really saying GODhimself gives many tasks to woman as the scipture was being given to men such as paul why did god give us that decree that we not pass the word of god to others even if it is to open the eyes and heart to god and is it not my duty as a mother to teach my son of jesus/god
Dear Rommgirl
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Welcome back. I am a reasonable man. I will permit you to write, as long as you participate in the debates. Please defend your views using scripture. The debate on women’s role in the Church is important. You might be surprised when you find me to be a liberal on this issue.
My point was more that she was obviously lying, making up stories. Not even to get into the women’s role in the church issue. Whenever people make up stories it weakens the credibility of the church, weakens the faith people might have particulary since we are told that someone died and was raised from the dead as the Son of God, who will someday come back and raise us from the dead. They were teaching this as the truth and asked that we.
Romans 16:18 For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
And there are even more verses telling people not to let yourself be deceived. Which brings us to the question, Are women more easily deceived?
Tanks, Ivar, for bringing this to our attention.
As far as I know, New Wine and friends (Heidi Baker, Bill Johnson…) are winning ground even in our Scandinavian countries.
I feel sad for Baker. She is obviously very zealous and committed. But the question is – committed to what?
She admits at one point to having had second thoughts (about the ‘apostolic anointing’), but then the ‘power of god’ overwhelms her, and she seems to forget her reservations.
The problem whith these people and these movements, is that they value the ‘power/anointing/presence/glooory’ more than the authority of Scripture!
I listened to Bill Johnsons testimony as well, and he says people can just walk into their church, and be ‘struck’ by the atmosphere – there isn’t even a need for any preaching…
But what does the Bible say?
It says salvation comes by hearing the Word of God preached.
And it says it’s the truth – not the ‘presence/atmosphere’ – that shall set us free.
When Heidi describes how she during one conference was so paralyzed, she couldn’t even go to the bathroom by herself, I was reminded by a friend of what happens in the ‘Oneness’ Movement: Adepts are ‘blessed’ whith the deeksha/ oneness blessing, and are as a result sometimes turned into paralyzed zombies, who cannot take care of themselves…
And Sri Bhagwan says this is a good thing! He wants more zombies, that can sit still all day, and meditate ‘for peace’…!
Where is the difference between New Wine and Bagwan?
Well, one of the two operates ‘in the name of Jesus’…
hello, if you believe that this is demonic, then why would God allow Heidi to be so deceived? Doesnt it say in the Bible that God and Jesus will hear our cry? And Heidi DOES cry and pray and call out to God – so why would He ignore her if you believe she is being used and deceived by evil spirits ?
thank you for this article. It is odd, that I just read this, before I have planned to read a book about Heidi Baker.
I will pray, that the Lord Jesus will help me and give me the spirit of discernment. Without the help of the holy spirit so many of us would get lost in these last days.
It is weird, that I have never felt comfortable, when I saw vids about her, but then I also thought, that she is doing so great work for all the poorest of the poor.
But you are right, when salvation is not preached, no repentance, but only, that God is good, then people will get fed physicially but die spiritually. God bless you!
Ingrid,
I have also had a hard time understanding how one who does so much for poor children, at the same time can be responsible for bringing in such evil in the church…
And yet, when you hear her tell of how her ‘Jesus’ took a piece of flesh from his side and said ‘feed it to the children’…! That is just horrible! (Even she thought that!)
Isn’t it interesting how this ‘jesus’ gives her a catholic, eucaristic ‘jesus presence’ in the bread, that she is to go out and feed to ‘thousands of children’! And if this is the ‘bread’ she feeds the children, then she is in fact misleading the ‘little ones, who believe in Him’, and that is extremely serious…
When it comes to charity, and helping the poor, we must remember, that even the Hisbollah, and the Hamas, have strong humanitarian arms, that work among the poor and needy. They also, by definition, do a lot of ‘good’…
No, unfortunately, we cannot let these criteria alone determine the right-ness of a ministry. The main question is: what gospel is preached? Is it about salvation from sin, or is it about ‘bringing in the kingdom’ through power and manifestations?
Which ‘Jesus’ is presented? (The eucaristic ‘Jesus’ worshipped as bread?)
And which spirit is at work? The Holy Spirit of God, or a false, Kundalini spirit?
(Pay notice to Baker’s spasmodic twitchings, and involuntary cries.)
(If I were you, I’d skip the book on Baker, and perhaps instead read something of Ray Yungen… For instance, ‘A Time of departing’)
“And yet, when you hear her tell of how her ‘Jesus’ took a piece of flesh from his side and said ‘feed it to the children’…! That is just horrible!”
I agree- it does sound horrible- but it is a bit more understandable when you read Matthew 26:26 “While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
Amazing..I heard the same words Heidi Spoke and they bothered me so much!! I’ve come out of the false apostolic network and back to the Bible and the true gospel. In all the places I’ve been..Noone heard about sin..moved to repentance to get right w God.m saved etc…we sat on carpet soaking in the music or got impartations. It’s so dangerous and fooled me for years. Very evil and decieving!! Satan knows his job. We need real Jesus..real gospel and real Holy Spirit…all based on the word of God. Thank you soooo much. This is the best so far.
My favorite alter call of all time… Heidi Baker: “If you don’t know the Jesus I am talking about tonight, friends, it’s a great night to turn from the ways of the world and meet Jesus. If you’d like to meet him tonight, run to the front of this church. Do you want to sing ‘Just as I am’? or do you just want to run to the Jesus who died for you?” Many people received Jesus that night. Amen and Amen
It amazes me how someone can tell her, “you need the holy spirit,” and then she immediately feels it.
Yes, copy cat demon indeed.
Gloria, explain to me in your own words what the holy spirit is..
Simon,
I will answer your question. From my personal experience and knowledge: The holy spirit is part of the trinity, God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. And yet, the Holy Spirit is God, and Jesus Christ. The three are one. The first time I felt the Holy Spirit guide me to tell a woman who was having problems, that Jesus Christ loved her, was a remarkable experience. Words cannot explain the love Christ has for you, when you feel it. It’s amazing.
(For a Biblical meaning: Read Epheisans 4:30, John 15:26, Acts 13:2 if you want to know more about the Holy Spirit)
Ivar,
I have been a long time follower of your site, and have encouraged many to check it out. You have done a wonderful job of exposing certain issues that most are blind to.
However, this article is one that either lacks understanding (which I honestly believe), or exposing your motives.
You even gave a verse that defines the very makeup of who Heidi Baker – “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, fidelity,meekness, self-control: against such things there is no law.”
Have you met her? Have you been to the deepest parts of the bush and witness her ministry and the fruit of her ministry? Have you talked with people that have gone out there on small mission trips, or with those who have been a part of her three month school?
I have, and there is no way anyone who has would question her motives or whether this is “Demon” invoked, or God.
What is the difference between you and the “Anyone” in Matt 12:32? You opened your article with “replace God with Demon”.
Heidi brings in small villages at a time to Christ. When she goes into a village and brings all the sick and blind to the front and prays over them – do you believe this is staged? Let’s even pretend for a moment that it is. Then she, through translators speak the gospel and brings majority of villages to Christ. You’re saying this is the work of a Demon?
Her work with Children is to mother them, and give them a bed to sleep on. 80-90% of the children she is giving shelter and food cannot fully comprehend what Jesus did for us.
I encourage you to go deeper into your work before claiming sons and daughter of Christ are false or demonically influenced. Taking sound bites and interpreting them through your lenses has led to these type of articles. You have said it yourself have many times quoted 2 Cor 11:14. Do you not think that the enemy is well aware of what Heidi Baker is accomplishing and going out of his way to disrupt her “identity” in peoples eyes?
Thank you for your dedicated work on bringing us the Truth.
Dear Kyle.
Shalom.
Thanks for being a committed reader of this blog. I hope many of my articles and comments have brought blessings.
I have not met Heidi Baker. Neither have I met the Pope. Still I would like to comment on their theology. When Heidi Baker puts up a video, she must accept that her public and global message will be commented.
I do not care how many thousand people she has helped. Buddhists and even Islamic groups like Hamas and Hizb’Allah has solid accounts for social work and humanitarian aid. So also the Roman Catholic Church, when Mother Theresa of Calcutta is in the process of being “beautified”.
In regards to the testimony of Heidi Baker, I have highlighted some few points.
1. Demons do give people electric shock’s, and paralyze people. Demons also make people loose control, and behave more or less like mad.
The Holy Spirit do not.
2. The blood of Jesus, is not the cup of “suffering and joy”.
The blood of Jesus is shed as the atonement for sins. And absolutely nothing else.
Kyle,
I understand your question.
It IS hard to really take in the fact that someone who seems to be doing so much good, could, in fact, be preaching a false gospel.
But Ivar is right on the mark here.
Have you actually watched through the video?
What do you think of her vision of ‘Jesus’ ripping off a piece of flesh from his side (!?), and telling Heidi to feed this to the children?
What do you think of her involuntary, spasmic jerks, and utterances?
And her story of how she was paralyzed for a week (at a Catch the Fire conference) ‘by the spirit’, so that she could not even go to the bathroom by herself – they had to carry her!
Please, also see my comment above.
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
(John 6:53)
If they did this stuff ”good” ..however…in all the ‘we did’….I don’t see where ”Jesus is given the Glory”…miracles are not gone by the way side…by no means…yet anyone who really Knows Jesus …always is in awe and admiration of His work today as equally so as we read His handiwork in His Word….also I have not heard of this person….where I live there are quite a few women who starts and/or …swears by ‘the Healing Ministry of Women, yet during the week these women some of them sound like Egor the Depressed Donkey on the Winnie the Pooh Cartoon (smile), I refuse to go because I just can’t find Jesus telling people to go start a Women’s, Men’s,Children,Baby or Teen Ministry….I’m sure there will be ”many who will be livid at my remark…”
I feel confused. Can i ask, do you believe that God DOES heal us today ? Also if she had ‘just’ been paralysed for a week, that would probably be demonic, but actually, sisnt she say that God was teaching her something important; her dependence on the church as a body- and isnt that scriptural ? And didnt it lead her into enacting that out later in her life ? Doesnt God teach that way ? Like the person in the bible that God told to lie on his side for many, many days, as a traching/ praying point ? And what of one of the prophets being told to tip the big jar of something to the east and west and Jesus saying to peter with the belt around his wrists, ‘When you were younger you went as you pleased, but when you are older,so will you be led’ as it was Heid being taught something valuable about the church, it seems a bit different….. also, I thought that they really DID preach the gospel and bring the Jesus film to all the different villages…. does EVERY healing have to be demonic- do you believe that God heals people at all these days ????? Thankyou, i look forward to your answer…..
Ivar…wow.
Heidi Baker…if you heard her full story, you would know that she was truly traumatised by the realisation of her sinfulness and need for repentance. She ran, devastated, in floods of tears, down to the front of a church the first time she heard the full Gospel – crying “I’m a sinner, I’m a sinner!” People were telling her to shush!
She was 16 years old at the time, and from that moment her heart and life belonged totally to the Lord.
For you to assume she does not preach repentance of sins because she doesn’t mention them specifically in this talk above is like saying “I’m going to listen to a talk about apples. If the speaker doesn’t mention oranges, clearly she does not believe oranges exist”.
She jerks and speaks in short bursts of ‘Tongues’ from time to time because she is utterly saturated with the presence of the Holy Spirit, in ways most of us can only dream of. She also says that she chooses to intersperse her teaching with occasional Tongues as she doesn’t like to not be communing directly with Jesus at any given time. This way, she can do it even while she is speaking to us. This makes sense to me!
You say: ‘When people lose self control, behave like mad, disturb and scream, you can be sure a demonic force is manifesting it self in the flesh.’ What about Acts 2:15 when the believers seemed drunk to outsiders?
And does she really ‘behave like mad, disturb and scream’?? When, can you tell me? The only time she did this as far as I know is when she was repenting, as I’ve mentioned in my first paragraph…! 😉
‘A tree will be known by its fruit’ (Luke 6:44) – the fruit of Rolland and Heidi Baker’s lives, again, is beautiful, and in line with Jesus’ work on earth, to an extent most of us can only dream of. Huge, huge sacrifices. Please read her autobiography ‘Always Enough’.
I’ve listened to many of her talks, and know people who have visited and stayed with Iris Ministries in Mozambique, and they can see her 100% dedication to the Lord.
Please re-think.
Ivarfjeld: I have seen many videos of HB and have listened very carefully. I hear HB tell how faithful she is, how holy she is , how humble she is, how much she loves Jesus. I hear the gospel of Heidi Baker. I have seen the manifestations of another spirit and heard her credit the Holy Spirit with all this craziness. It is such a mixture of uncrucified flesh and counterfit spirts that it should be obvious to believers that this is not a witness of Jesus Christ. I don’t know anything about her work in mozambique, I only know what I see and hear from her and I know that she is deceived. I don’t think that she is deceiving anyone, because the people who think she is the next thing to God are already deceived. In fact it seems to me that anyone who hasn’t seen the great deception of today is already deceived. The only safety for any of us is in losing our lives, in embracing His cross. He said if we don’t lose our life and leave all then we have no part in Him. We can “love Jesus” because it makes us feel good about ourselves, we can desire to “be good” because it makes us feel good about ourselves, etc. In the end we can become so deceived that we leave the true Christ and follow the false christ and not even know that we have done it. It must be ALL about Him, not about us and our ego. Peter talked about how much he loved the Lord, and look how he forsook him. John knew how much Jesus loved him. John was at the cross. Thank you for speaking the truth about this matter. I hope believers can understand that your purpose of not about being against a person, but is rather about loving the truth as the truth is in Christ Jesus. Ruth
I’m sorry, but who are you to say what the Holy Spirit “does” and “doesn’t”? That’s no one’s job here on earth. That’s the Holy Spirit’s job to do whatever He wants.
Johannes.
Shalom.
You wrote:
That’s the Holy Spirit’s job to do whatever He wants.
My comment:
No spirit can do whatever it want. The Holy Spirit will be be loyal to scriptures.
Ivar
When John the Baptist sent a man to ask Jesus if he was the Messiah, Jesus pointed to his miracles and his testimony. That’s THE POWER AND THE WORD. Jesus told his disciples they should go and preach the Gospel the same way he did, healing the sick and raising the dead etc.
If you don’t have the same POWER AND WORD working in your ministry, I think it best you examine your own theology before you criticize someone who does.
Dear Phil Mayo
Shalom.
Was your last comment related to my article on Heidi Baker, or something else?
Kyle. you are right and I agree with you 100%. they told Jesus He was healing with beelsebub, and He replied How can the devil be devided against himself. he will not make sick and heal . Nicodemus said, we know that no one can do the works that Jesus did if God is not with him.
Some people do not want to hear a warning and will continue to sin against the Holy Spirit by saying that the Spirit at work in and through Heidi is demonic, they think when they open their mouths against a man or woman of God they are only talking about them, no, no, no, their not. They are talking against the Holy Spirit in them and that sin will not be forgiven them. This is the words of Jesus our Saviour,you can be sure they will say something about this. God is love. Blessings in Christ.
Gerhard said: “they think when they open their mouths against a man or woman of God they are only talking about them, no, no, no, their not. They are talking against the Holy Spirit in them and that sin will not be forgiven them.”
If “they” are talking about the holy spirit, YOU are likewise making a statement about the holy spirit.
What is certainly clear, is that there is a spirit at work, everyone agrees on that.
The question then follows; WHAT spirit?
if Heidi has the holy spirit then, yes “they” have spoken against the holy spirit.
But by taking the opposite position, you are implying that the Holy Spirit is responsible for manifesting the behaviours in Heidi. If indeed these manifestations are by an unclean spirit, then YOU have blasphemed the holy spirit, by ascribing demonic manifestations to the holy spirit.
and that sin will not be forgiven you, etc etc.
Hi!! I got really suspicious when I went to a meeting with Heidi Baker so I contacted local christians in northern Mocambique to hear what they had to say about her and Iris ministries.
They have another story to tell about their “good works” in this former portuguese colony. Infact they are even saying that HB and Iris is giving christianity bad credit. That was very sad to hear.
If someone wants to know more about their story and experience, please leave your e-mail on this thread.
I have contacted Iris ministries with several e-mails about their
alleged claims made in the documentary “riches of the poor”.
They claimed that they have started up at least 5000 churches and raised 60! persons from the dead and that they have the best school in the whole country in the capital of Maputo.
I just asked a couple of questions about this.
And still no answer.
Dear Azaryahu
Shalom.
Thanks for this message. It is always good to do some research about “super Apostles”.
I once met a man who collected money to Church planters in the Charismatic movement. He told a fellowship in Norway, that one of the Churches he had planted was in the village where I live in India.
Lead by Jesus, I also ministered to this fellowship in Norway, and heard the story.
When this Charismatic self-styled pastor was confronted to pin-point this Church in my village, or give a local reference, He backed out. Just another con-man who steel and rob from the mission budgets of the Churches.
So the Christians that you contacted in Northern Mozambique believe what ivarfjeld does- what does this mean though? Simply that they believe one way and Heidi believes another I guess. People are always saying “this denomination/person gives Christianity a bad name” but usually that said denomination is saying that about others!
I know several people who have gone overseas to help out with Iris Ministries and have heard nothing but amazing stories. So I guess it is a matter of opinion/belief.
Please send me the info they told you about the Riches of the Poor documentary & why it is giving Christians a bad name? lisawilson2011AThotmailDOTcom
ERROR…..HAHAHAHA….Not Egor ” dragging his leg, bent over saying “Yes,Master”….I meant Eeyore…..(smile) (a quick thought,,,,Ole Egor sounds like the ‘Catholics ‘digging up some of these bones we see on here…Good night all God bless!
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1Ti 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety
And…..
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
There are actually many bible verses, when very narrowly interpreted, point towards the fact that the gift of miraculous healing does not exist today. But what conflicts for me is that I have seen and heard so many healings, not just on TV. I had several physical issues that were healed in one night when someone prayed over me. My friend had scoliosis and was healed from that in one night. I have seen those in wheelchairs get up. A friend of mine has experienced someone who was blind see. Someone with cancer cured. This was not questioned until someone decided to combat my belief in healings. So I’m just wondering if anyone could explain the miraculous healings that go on today, even if it seems that they don’t exist.
Alex,
God has never changed. The same Jesus of the Bible who cured and healed people is the same who casts out demons, heal the sick, and more. I disagree that there are Bible verses that say healing does not exist today.
I have had (2) doctors ( who told me that my son had kidney problems, and when the morning I visited the 3rd doctor, I continued to pray. And the doctor comes in after taking tests, and said my son is okay, he has nothing in him and was perfectly healthy. I said, “Thank you Jesus.”
Mark 16:17-19
17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God
But we must always look to Jesus. Because Satan is a deciver and a copy cat. He will try to do things, including lying wonders, to deceive many.
Dear Alex.
Shalom.
The issue of healing goes directly on the nature and character of Jesus. He healed 10 men with leprosy. Only one was believer enough, to come back and thank Him, the supreme and ultimate healer.
I am constantly healed. There is not a day, there are no hostile bacterias in my body. I am healed from sicknesses I did not even now I had. And it is likewise with non-believers.
Since non-believers also face miracles and healing, some of the most deceptive preachers today are “faith healers”. They present non sense doctrines, and gives thanks to “a Jesus”. In their millions, people are deceived. Some of these preachers are representing the fleshy prosperity gospel. They loot people for money, who feel that healing must be purchased from “god”.
Healing is a part of the order of the creation, a free gift from Jesus the Messiah. We have been given a body that in 95 per cent of the examples of sicknesses, heals it self. Jesus is so good to mankind, that billions of people who have never heard about Him, is healed by Him.
For about five percent of known sickness, the body is not able to heal it self. Than Jesus can provide healing, or He can freely chose to do not. But If He calls me home to heaven today, He will most likely take me home by a brief illness. My soul must be disconnected from this mortal body, one way or another. And if He wants me to be on Earth till I am 90 years old, my body will surely decay and become weak well in advance of such a high age.
Praise Jesus who is my provider and my healer. He knew my entry, and surely only He knows the time of my exit, and the events that will take me home. Amen.
I hope this was helpful.
I think its the words of a man who won’t admit his own lack of faith is the problem!
People often forget that the healing done in Jesus’ day was to authenticate His ministry at the Messiah of Israel. The Apostles were given the gift to heal in the name of Jesus also, but by the time of Paul’s later letters, there are instances where it appears to have subsided. Trophimus was left by Paul in Miletus sick, for example.
The Scripture portray a three-fold redemption process for man by the grace of God. 1. The spirit is justified through repentance and trust in Jesus the Messiah. 2. The soul is redeemed and sanctified by “the washing of the Word”…growing in the knowledge of God through Scripture study and fellowship with other believers (preferably mature believers) and regeneration brought by the Holy Spirit which is given to every believer upon repentance and faith. 3. The body will ultimately be redeemed through the resurrection or rapture.
You will hear none of this in Heidi’s teachings.
Another interesting thing I have noticed while researching these people is that almost always THEY are the ones being glorified in the end for their “great works”…NOT Jesus. You really hear this in the objections by their defenders when they are reacting to anyone who may have the chutzpah to question the validity of these individual’s ministries. It’s mainly platitudes and demagoguery sprinkled with a few Scripture torn from their context.
Dear Andrew
Shalom and love in Jesus.
Your comment:
People often forget that the healing done in Jesus’ day was to authenticate His ministry at the Messiah of Israel. The Apostles were given the gift to heal in the name of Jesus also, but by the time of Paul’s later letters, there are instances where it appears to have subsided.
My reply:
Those who believe in the theology of John MacArthur takes this position. My best guess is, that they have not or do not exprecience healings. I belive the gifts of the Holy spirit where not only for the Apsotles, and gifts that sould cease to exist on the face on the Earth, 30-40 years after Jesus ascended into Heaven. The Messiah was replaced by the Holy Spirit, to be with us forever.
I beleive healings are available for all. Not only Christians. I belive in a personal relatipnship with the Messiah, where he answer prayers. He do heal. In fact, He heals whoever He wants, for His own purposes. And there are people around us who have the gift of healing.
That some of the workers take credit for healings and the work of the Messiah, is an interesting but different topic. There also are people who fake healings, and there are false miracles presented as true.
Alex….your post saddens me…yet thrills me for the joy that you are about to have if you continue to follow The Word God….for I too remember when I was at the ‘Valley of Decision’ ..or Crossroads…which ever you want to call it…seeing all that the ones around me says, healings, miracles etc…what the TV people say and say they do….and then in the quiet of my own time with The Word of God…it said entirely different (at times) to what others say,…Ohh the nights I’d run to His Word and cry…They say and Your Word says…and I’d even tell the Preachers the same…the Word says this but you say this and they’d tell me..He means this …oh the frustrations….then one day… as I pray that day will be very soon for you…I chose to believe His Word …no matter what others says..if it was in agreement with The Word of God then I chose to believe it…EVEN when my own body did not receive the healing I wanted or the things in my life to change the way I wanted …I chose to believe Him anyway…and continued on in the situations and circumstances I was in…whether it was sickness, lack financially and/or favor in the world….Bottom line…I took the attitude ”If God is for me, then I have more than I need”…..After all isn’t that what Jesus said to us…? He tells us ‘don’t let the voices confuse us, trust in Him with all your spirit, soul and strength.
Beloved of The Lord, rest, be at peace The Creator of The Universe has and does love you so much He sent Jesus to die for your sins that you may live forever with Him..Even the Sinners..unbelievers know about John 3:16, few (Saint or Sinner) read further..and see the importance of John 3:17,18,19
We don’t want to be like the Roman Soldiers at the foot of the Cross shooting Dice to see who would win the Robe of Jesus…some Christians do that so often, seeking all the gifts and ignoring the Greatest Gift ….who went to the Cross ‘for us’…JESUS …
The Word is its own authority; it states very clearly that males and females of humankind are equal in the eyes of God.; and that The Church is to be governed by male elders. Male eldership is only an issue for those who question Scripture.
I’ve been the teaching elder of small body who have suffered because they hold to the clear teaching of the Word (including the five-fold ministry). We have been pushed aside by the secessionists because we believe in the gifts and by the the charismatics who cannot tolerate our stand on women elders.
Heidi Baker has been messing up my safe little place. I was hushed into silence when I saw the miraculous in her ministry – and the fervency of her life. But, I am constantly reminded of Scripture, “I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”.
I’m pleased to have come across some people who are wrestling with this issue.
Where to from here…”To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them”.
It says ‘not to teach constantly’ her ‘husband’…not man….
In doing charities, like feeding the the street people, one will get persecuted, even by those who claim to be christian. No good & Godly deed goes unpunished especially by those who do not wish to be compelled do said deeds/ or similar. Fear can allows us to read more fear into things especially without the facts. A covetous spirit often mocks without the facts. Prayers for grace & mercy, to see others through the eyes of Christ often clears up our blurred, limited vision. And our Lord’s word will validate it. David himself, chose not to harm Saul, who he believed to be God’s anointed. It’s one thing to be cautious, malicious is never good or Christ-like. P.S. Deborah was a judge, anointed by God. And Paul stated he would not suffer women to teach men. Maybe, you saying God is confused. He is a big God. He can handled anyone’s limitedness of thought & behavior. He did mine.
The Truth of God stands forever; never changes. We try to filter and change the Truth when it doesn’t coincide with our particular moment or experience. Jesus, the Lord. calls us to submit to the Word. “If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them”. True worship is about Him; not about me or my incorporating my experience or what others are doing and calling that the Presence of God; or the Work of God.
I live in South Africa … I unconditionally gave my life to Jesus during a supernatural experience when he revealed Himself to me, on the Cross, as my desperately needed Saviour … I am now 54 and have had many supernatural experiences and a life as unconventional (even more so!) as my salvation was.
I can tell from your writing that your heart and soul have never been shattered for those broken, despised, desperately needy ones whom Jesus loves … I can tell that you have never felt that you were dying from lack of truly knowing Jesus … And I am not sure what it is that I can tell that you can so easily trash, on the basis of heresay, someone like Heidi Baker.
Islam (the spirit, NOT the people) is a huge threat – especially in Africa. Do you know that their biggest obstacles to Christianity are our division and eagerness to hurt each other?
As a student of the Word, you are familiar with Jesus’ command that we Love each other, and how powerful it will be if we do. And I refer you to what Paul recommends to us in 1 Cor 12:31 as ‘a more excellent way’ … please … Choose the Way of Love and you will change the World!
Beloved of God … You have only THIS LIFE. Please, do not use it to destroy!
You said….Choose the Way of Love and you will change the World! …and where is that scriptural for believers? that “we” are to change the World…when Jesus said the World is evil and full of wickedness… it will get worse as it gets closer to His return….
and if that message was given to you ‘about changing the world’…I’m not a bit surprised….for it is a message that is filling up the churches..yet the World only gets more wicked daily!!!
that in and of itself should give anyone a clue even if they are from America or Africa! or anywhere, any nation, any language, any tongue!
If a ministry has hurt you. I am sorry. I was hurt by many Christian, I am still one. And I forgive them. I do not walk in my bitterness, I do not want to see them hurt. I ask God to judge between us and I am living life in freedom.
If the Christians hurt you, I am so sorry. If life has broken you, I am sorry. You speak out of so much pain and I have been there. The hope of this world is not found in looking at every negative, evil, wicked thing and judging the whole world and every one it by these evil acts. Neither will we find only good, wonderful kind deeds to speak of. The hope of this world is, that God so loved the world that He gave his one and only son (JESUS) that whoever believes in him, (that he died in your place for your mistakes, wrongs, sins and aask him to forgive you and accepting him in your heart) you will not pperish (in the hell, designed for the devil and his demons and not for men who have a choice in accepting Jesus who ALONE can save them from the fires of hell)but have everlasting life. The hope of this world is that, Jesus is coming back! Acts 1 vs 11 ” Men of Galilee, ” they said, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you innto heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.
Allover the world there is a great need for people who care, who love God, who are genuine in their salvation, who walk in the true spirit of God to go and feed the hungry, help the orphan, take care of the widow and be the hands and feet of people in need. If Heidi Baker is a wolf in sheeps clothing them maybe some more “sheep” are needed to replace the wolves. Instead of wasting time trying to throwing mud, why don’t you get up and go and do it in the true sense. Why don’t you make that difference and show her up, nothing shows up what is false like a drop of true love.
Whether we see sin in someonelse life, or deception or demonic activity it is not our place to curse them but to pray for them and to love them as Christ loved his enemies. Reguardless,not one
of us is without sin and in a place to cast a stone. Jesus Christ is the only who sinless and he always loves and forgives us inspite of our sins and mistakes.
Matthew 7 vs 4 How can you say to your brother, “Let me take the speck out of your eye, when all the time there is a plank in our own eye?
Romans 12;14 Bless those who persecute you;bless and do not curse them.
Luke 6:27-36
“But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either.
Psalm 57.6 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles
Romans 1d2:20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him, if he is thirsty, give him something to drink, for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.
Matthew 26:52;54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels?
Job 31:30
I have not let my mouth sin by asking for his life with a curse. Ps
Psalm 1 Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delithhg is in the law of the Lord and who meditates on his law day and night.
Read the Bible for yourself and ask God to show you what is true or false and forget Heidi Baker leave her to God to judge.
Speaking in truth is not speaking in bitterness…it is only bitterness to those who don’t want the truth…..because they as Jesus said…they love their sins more than HIM….they love the praise of men more than walking that narrow road…loving Him, praising Him lifting Him up…not lifting all these others up…How come no one lifts up all those who wrote and died for the Word…yet they flock to the new ones who make a money on the ones who seek the Word of God…yet these men of the Bible did not ‘Name it or Claim it” …….they spoke ”Thus said the LORD”. Jesus is the one who Died for us and shed HIS Blood for us…whether we repent or not HE already did it…these who ever they be, matters none to me nor any real Christian…they adhere to The Glory of God His Salvation Plan before the Foundation of the World…that all who will believe on His Son, shall be saved….Glory to HIS Name…”JESUS”
To me you come off as someone who loves God a lot and is trying to help others in the way you can already, but I disagree with your article completely.
About Heidi’s message, her target audience when speaking in Western countries are churches and people who have heard about & accepted Christ already. When she speaks she only has about an hour to leave an impression so she leans on the pastor of the church to fill in the rest of the teaching a healthy Christian should encounter. She is trying to ignite a passion for reaching out to people who need God by first helping to cultivate a burning love for God. If there are non- Christians present she effectively drives them to a holy type of jealousy! ;D They can become intrigued and learn from the pastor there who would be more than honored to tell them of the beautiful Gospel.
Being part of the body of Christ we all have different jobs to do with different talents and abilities to do them with.
Back in Mozambique I am sure that since her target audience shifts to the unbelieving people, her message changes likewise.
If I am honest since I first heard of the work she does I was really amazed at what God does through people yet the fiery love she has for God made me feel uneasy. Honestly devoting your whole self to the will of God, for some reason, made me uneasy. Now I am accepting that God can only work through someone if they surrender their whole lives to him, even the part of themselves that wants to look & sound acceptable/respectable to everyone.
peace.
Dear Leah
Shalom.
The gospel we shall preach is the same in Africa, in New York City or in India. Not all people in the Third World are idiots, who easily can be fooled into an Americanized counterfeit message.
If you present a false Jesus, have been anointed with a deceptive spirit, and present a different gospel, it is wrong. Regardless if a million or so, will tell you how blessed you are. Jesus will have to tell a lot of people who claimed to serve “god’, even many who do miracles in the name of Jesus: – I NEVER KNEW YOU. Away from me, evil doers.
Amen !!!!
That’s all quite true. But I doubt Jesus will be pleased with those who said it was Satan healing and raising the dead, simply because they don’t take his word to be the same today as it was when he commanded his followers to do it!
Dear Phil Mayo
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I still have problems understading your points. I believe in healing. I believe that Jesus can heal us from all sicknesses. My problem with Heidi Baker is her faith in “the gods”. We know that Satan has the power to perform miracles. So we need to be a litle bit careful, akcknowledging that false teachers tries to take us for a ride, even by the mircales they seem to perform.
I do not want to judge Heidi Baker. All I know is that I have watched many of her videos and I always have an uneasy feeling and the sense that something is weird. But when I watch other ministries that move in the power of God such as Paul Dhinakaran I do not feel this weirdness factor. I am not saying she is false, it’s just the way she presents herself really turns me off. In one video she is laying on the floor for the entire sermon; if I were an unbeliever and entered the room I would immediately run away. It also makes me uneasy that she has been connected with people like Ben Dunn who is a very strange character…this is the guy to takes tokes on an imaginary marijuana cigarrete and says it’s the Holy Spirit. But in fairness to her, I have read a couple of Heidi Baker’s books, and the books are much better and “normal” than seeing her on video…I don’t know, maybe it’s just the way she presents herself, but to me it weirds me out. I can watch Kathryn Kuhlman, and although she was very unique, I never feel that weirdness factor. Just my thoughts anyway. Ultimately it is the Lord who will sort all this out. There are things in life and in the Body of Christ that we do not understand, but I do feel we should pay attention when our inner witness is disturbed.
First off, does Heidi ever claim to be a “Christ” or “Messiah”? Absolutely not. She proclaims Christ to be her Savior and gives the gospel message at every outreach in Mozambique. Also, I’d be careful saying that her saying “the cup of joy and cup of suffering” is not the blood of Christ. It absolutely is the cup of joy because we now have joy because Christ took our sins upon Himself and the cup of suffering because 1) He died a gruesome death and 2) anyone that follows that Christ today is bound for suffering at least in certain parts of the world such as Mozambique. And speaking of humility, have you ever seen her speak at a conference or church or on a Sunday morning at the Iris church in Mozambique? She is one of the most humble and meek people you could meet that believes in Yeshua today. Be careful. When you start putting God in a box, your once called relationship with Christ becomes a religion that binds you. Be careful also when you call what the Holy Spirit is doing a demonic presence. “But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin.” -Mark 3:29
Dear Johannes.
Shalom.
You wrote:
When you start putting God in a box, your once called relationship with Christ becomes a religion that binds you.
My comment:
You promote lawlessness. Please keep on mind, that God is both accountant and judge. Lawlessness permits everything, and is not bound by the scriptures. God is not in a box, but the Bible is the highest authority in all matters of faith. God can not go against His word. He is the Word.
People who say “God told me” are often the deceivers among us.
Dear ivarjfeld
Shalom to you as well.
I don’t want to write to argue, but I do want to bring to the light some things that were stated about Heidi Baker and/or Iris Ministries that were stated out of not knowing her or her ministry personally. I wish that before you wrote this article to the public, that you first read Iris Ministries statement of faith from their website:
http://www.irisglobal.org/about/statement-of-faith
Notice that the first point of their statement of faith is that they believe “the Bible to be the only inspired, infallible, and authoritative Word of God.” Let’s look at the Word. Do you think that in Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit enabled people with power at Pentecost, that certain people simply thought they were drunk with too much wine? Also, note that Joel 2:28 is quoted in that chapter of Acts saying: “In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people.” I believe (I’m not saying you do) that we are in the last days and that God is indeed moving among His people. However simply because God did something different among those disciples at Pentecost than what He had previously done, doesn’t mean that it was not the Holy Spirit. Clearly, this point proceeds into today. Just because the Holy Spirit does something that we’re not familiar with doesn’t mean it’s from a demon.
Also, please note that in Mark 3, Jesus was speaking and doing some extraordinary things that people were previously unfamiliar with. The religious leaders at that time also condemned him as driving out demons by the prince of demons. Blasphemy against our Meshiac will be forgiven, but not against the Ruach Hakodesh. We must watch carefully what we say against that part of the trinity my friend.
I’m sorry brother in Jesus, let me be the first to apologize on behalf of anyone that you might label as “charismatic” or “crazy” that has hurt you in the past in anyway. Every ministry, no matter where you are will have it’s lemon of the batch.
You also said to me:
“You promote lawlessness.”
Let us all be careful before we start proclaiming people to be promoters of lawlessness. I’m by no means perfect, but I do absolutely promote King Jesus, not sin or lawlessness. Please brother, I encourage you to build up the ministries you deem good, and to not tear down the ones that you don’t necessarily agree with. Let’s also, please, all believers in Christ, not judge each other. You don’t even know me yet you labelled me as a promoter of lawlessness.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” -Matthew 7:1-2
That goes for myself, Heidi Baker, you, and any believer. Let’s also remember the greatest commandment of all.
“Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” -Matthew 722:37-40
Let me be the first to say that most of what has been said in this forum previously has not been out of a place of love. Of course one can only love others with the measure that they love themselves. Love from me to all of you as a brother in Christ.
I lack the words to express how gutted I am to come across this website. I pray the eyes of the blind are opened to true salvation in Christ and his unconditional love for all his children. Let us not quarrel against our brothers and sisters who wholeheartedly spread the gospel of our incredible saviou Jesus. I pray this is not his plan for us. This is not a competition of who is Right and Wrong, but a chance to build each other up in our most holy faith in Jesus through the holy spirit. We are not bound by tearing each other down or jealousy. We are one body working together with our savior to see our friends come to know him and live in hiss fullness. Let the Bakers find truth in Jesus and bear fruit, for who are we to judge, only God had the authority to judge. If they fall short, Lord let them find repentance in you, and Lord I pray you would bless them as I would myself desire to be blessed. Lord I pray you would surround them with brothers and sisters to help guide them and encourage them to run the race you have given them. Lord I pray they would discover all you have for them in Christ Jesus and use them to make disciples of all Nations, baptizing them in you the Father, andcyour Son and your Spirit.
Father give us all revelation, love for one another and love for those that harm us.
Amen
Dear Sammy.
Shalom, and love in Yeshua.
The more I read from the supporters of Heidi Baker, the more I know I have hit the nail on the head. You are not willing to take Bible believers seriously. You are not interested in debating what it means to follow a “different Jesus”. You promote whatever you like, as long as someone said “it must be Jesus”, or ‘it is the Holy Spirit”. You do not need the Bible. You are a law by your selves.
I do not know how to make you listen. You are in need of deliverance, before it is to late. Jesus will tell a lot in your camp: “I never knew you”.
I agree with you fully, Ivar.
No matter how many good works a person does, (be it Heidi Baker or Mother Teresa) – if they preach another gospel, another Jesus, and operate in another spirit/anointing (whith false charismatic manifestations), than theh Holy Spirit, then it doesn’t matter how ‘nice’ they are.
The question must always be: do they love, hold fast to, and preach the truth?
To Sammy: Love to you in Christ Jesus brother! You said “Let the Bakers find truth in Jesus and bear fruit” I absolutely agree! The Scripture says “Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.” -Matthew 7:20 What is the fruit of the Baker’s ministry? Hundreds of thousands have come to a personal relationship with Yeshua (Jesus) first and foremost. They see countless people fed every day (including with miracles of multiplication of food). They see countless healed and delivered of demons (and if they’re delivering demons how can the Prince of Demons drive out demons according to Mark 3:20-26?) Is this bad fruit?
To Ivarjfeld: Love to you in Yeshua as well my brother! You said: “you are not willing to take Bible believers seriously… you promote whatever you like… I do not know how to make you listen. you are in need of deliverance.” Brother… brother brother brother. Arguing about all of this is not going to solve any of this at all. You will probably leave with your same views and I will probably leave with mine. And to be honest, I feel slammed and I can’t speak for Sammy but if I were him I would feel slammed in the face. You are accusing people of things you can’t be accusing people of. I take Bible-believers seriously (as you can see I use as much Scripture reference as I can because I’m a Bible-believer myself) I absolutely do not promote whatever I like, I am listening, because otherwise if I didn’t care for you brother I wouldn’t write back. You also cannot say that I, Sammy or Heidi Baker are in need of deliverance. There is a gift of discerning of spirits according to 1 Corinthians 12 but I can tell you that that gift is not used to tear down people or ministries but to build up of others, or at the most to gently warn them and invite them to repentance, but never to slam or slander people. That is not of God. Colossians 3:8 says “but now you must rid yourself of all such things as these:… malice..slander.” Colossians 3:12-14 continues to say, “Therefore as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love which binds them all together in perfect unity.” According to these verses, Heidi seems completely in the right to me.
Dear Johannes.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I would not believe in the Jesus of Rome, even if an angel of light appear just in front of me, and say he is the Messiah.
I do not believe in the Jesus of Rome, despite one billion Roman Catholics getting food every day.
I will never believe in the “Jesus” of Heidi Baker, even if 100.000 people in Mosambique claim to have been helped by her ministry.
I will never believe in “a Jesus” who make “the Bakers” loose control of their senses. Who shakes like unclean Kundalini Hindu spirits, who give them electrical shocks, paralyses them, and give them non Biblical super revelations. This kind of different Jesus makes his followers follow false prophets, who anoint them with a false Holy spirit.
I believe in the Word of God. I believe in Jesus the Messiah, who is hundred per cent faithful to the scriptures. He has given me the Holy Spirit, a spirit of God who is soft and gentle. The Spirit of truth. The Holy Spirit will never go against the teachings of Jesus, nor add to scriptures.
Dear brother Ivarjfeld
Shalom and love in Yeshua
Well… again I will remind you, that before the day of Pentecost in Acts, that people outside thought the people inside the meeting were drunken fools. Well, people probably still think that anyone who has an encounter with the living Yeshua that’s different from those previous are crazy. But, I can see that there’s no swaying you. I have taken everything you’ve written into consideration and prayer, however I’m still skeptical that “the Bakers” are following a “false Messiah.” Keep in mind that weird and normal only fit within a framework of someone’s grid of understanding. So if anyone ever does something that doesn’t fit within that framework of your own mind and what you understand, even from the Scripture, it’s simply “wrong.” I pray that we all receive understanding from our Yeshua Meshiac. Love and shalom to you again.
Dear Johannes.
Shalom.
Those who claimed that the disciples were drunk mocked them. They were not drunk. They were very much sane, and shared the gospel in languages not understandable to the mockers, who thought they were babbling. Like drunkards often do.
The presentation of the gospel must have been up to the mark. 3.000 people were saved and baptized in one day, by 120 students of Jesus.
During the so called Toronto revival, men around Kenneth Hagin mocks God by playing drunk.
Its difficult to see a sane person in the audience, during what was surely an outpouring of deception and lawlessness.
You should google, and look at the video’s available. Men acting like dogs, doing acts of sodomy. Kenneth Copeland laughs uncontrolled of the blasphemy in front of him,. The crowed rejoices, and many makes animal noises.
This kind of acts are not only stupidity. It is outright blasphemy against a Holy God. Please keep in mind that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven.
Keep away from such people, who have been anointed with unclean spirits. They claim this is the Holy Spirit, but it is not. It is the same spirit that are used by New Age’ers, the Kundalini spirit. The first anointed with these spirits, were ancient Hindu priests. Now these spirits spread like a cancer within Christianity, promoters by the supporters of Haigin, Copeland and Heidi Baker. Among others.
Please look at this video:
I suggest Ivor go and volunteer as a helper at Iris in Mozambique for a week and then come back and tell us how wrong Heidi Baker is. Read the Book.
Dear Sharon.
Shalom.
First: Good works can not save. Neither for the Pope, nor for Heidi Baker.
Second: Demonic powers presented as the “Holy Spirit” leads people towards the gates of Hell.
Third: We do a lot of good works on the other side of the Indian Ocean too.
Forth: The most important thing we do, is to preach the Gospel. We explain that the Holy Spirit is a wonderful councilor, not harming anyone, not paralyzing anyone, not leading people into sounding like animals, soaking in the spirits of the air.
Fifth: A lot of people who have encountered “The bakers” are in need of deliverance. One lady that did “the Shake”, and fell backward and over me, in a fellowship meeting, are now delivered and healed. We called her aside, canceled the false anointing, and set her free.
This young lady is now behaving with the elegance of Holiness, and do not give a bad testimony about a Holy God to people around her.
May Jesus the Messiah bring deliverance to all who walk in such false anointing, and also the false brethren that imparts unclear spirits on others. Amen.
Does the bible ever explain in detail what went on when Jesus spent time with God in prayer? No, because it was between him an God…the bible gives us a model of how to pray but not the words to pray – why? because he doesn’t want us to get caught up on the right words. What ends up hurting so many people and turning them away from God’s love is that there is alot of lack in what Hiedi Baker has…it’s a childlike faith. She knows the word and knows the scriptures, – people will know that we are his children by out love – this is what has gotten ahold of Heidi’s heart and …..this radical lover of our souls is working thru Heidi to set so many broken children free to love him back. I have seen the hurt that has streams thru so many that will not hear the law of God because it has been served without love, served with judgement ……our job is to love and holy spirits job is to teach, comfort, guidel…….
Amen
Show me the dead being raised, don’t just believe it because she says so. As far as being slain in the Spirit, that is not always false. God dropped my husband down hard when he wasn’t even a believer, and spoke to him. Occasionally God does things that even you don’t expect.
“I often wonder if religion is the enemy of God. It’s almost like religion is what happens when the Spirit has left the building.” (Bono/U2)
Religion is the enemy of God. It is why Jesus came!! Read the NT and see how he gave the religious leaders of the time such a hard time, rebuking them, cursing them and even denying them and what they stood for….which was His Father!!! We will always, always always, because of our flesh, eventually try to bring our agenda’s into the picture. That we can be certain of. When you read the Bible it is alive with truth to show how quickly we can sway from the straight path. Look at how Paul struggled with the early churches! It is no different today! That is why it is so important for us to acknowledge the part we have to play, which really is NO part!! What does that mean….well stay with me please and keep reading.
We twist the message of the Cross, and can even go to the point of completely abandoning it, although we love and follow and believe in Jesus. How do we do this? The issue of ‘works’ comes in and I really sense from listening to the video above and reading a lot of the comments posted, that the truth of the matter is still not being addressed. We feel we are not functioning in the fullness of the Spirit unless we are ‘experiencing’ His presense and performing ‘signs and wonders’. As you have just read…the word to be wary of is…performing. Even Heidi talks about having to go to seek after more of the ‘experience’ etc etc. Look, who am I? Noone special. Do I have a degree in theology? No. I haven’t started a church or raised someone from the dead. But one thing I do know is that I have recieved the Holy Spirit. I have only recently experienced healing and a strong presense of the Spirit on my life. Maybe deep down we would all like to get whacked out in the Spirit but I don’t want that just for the sake of it. I wanted it to mean something. So I prayed and asked God to give me a revelation through His Word. Well one day at home out of the blue while I was reading Romans aloud, the Spirit came and I was incoherant and drunk in the Spirit for a good hour. I did not expect it or try to bring it on. It just happened. This is how He operates. Not how we try to MAKE Him operate. When you understand the true message of being saved by His glorious Grace and the more I have been seeking Him through Grace I have discovered a power and truth that is not being taught in many churches these days. The spiritual power in the church has been sooooo squashed that when we see others operating in it we will question from where it comes. And I say Amen to that!! We are to test these things definitely. We can all quote scripture to back it up, I’m sure!! But lets address the heart of the matter, it is our own hearts! We often tend to desire the gift than the giver! We will raise ourselves or others up, than glorify the Holy and Righteous One. We all want to do great things but who did the greatest of them all?!?! God will use whoever, whosoever believes in Him. I believe God uses Heidi, but where we are human, we can also fall into sin. So lets pray for those that stray from the path to return to the Way and the Truth. His Grace is sufficient for us, shouldn’t we extend the same?
Hi, All,
When Jesus did miracle to people and declared he is the son of God, the local religous people suspected that he is from demon, and later even decided to kill him.
I always want to ask my Christian leaders that why these religous people did not think of praying to God to ask what is right or wrong. They were in old testmony time period and they did not have holy spirit. But still they could ask their priest to go to temple and pray to God to ask if this man is from demon or from God, and ask what they should do with him. God should answer them.
Same situation today. Instead of judging Heidy Baker, we should pray and ask Jesus Christ and get answer from him. If we pray and ask the clear questions, God should answer by himself, rather than let the demon to pretend him. What if he does not answer, then we need to wait, but do not judge quickly on ourselves.
However, this world is realy complexed and confused. Even a decent Christian could get lost easily and could not figure out which is truely from God and which is from demon.
For example, the near death experience. Many people reported their NDE stories, and some see Jesus, some see Alah, and some get the conclusion of all in one after their back to physical life. If our God has the fully control on birth and death, how can these people see different Gods in near death experience?
It is also confused that Heidy Baker saved so many dead people and turned them back to life. So the demon could control the life and death? What does God control then?
The significant difference between Christian and other religons is that God instruct us and lead us to grow through the holy spirit. Nowadays, we could not judge if the dead people coming back to life is from God or demon. It shows that we have disconnection to our God. We need to humbly bow down to pray to our God, not just ask him this death-life question, but also rebuild the connection to him.
What if he does not answer our pray? Then the Atheist raise their flag. Our God will not just instruct us on some bible teachings, not just comfort our feeling and spirit, he must answer us on these critical questions, since we are his children and we want to follow him.
Personally, I do not think those extreme performance are the right way to demonstrate Christian, just from my gut. I could not use the bible to judge it, since bible has both stories: the kind peaceful one and the crazy one.
Let us pray to God, and find the answer. If you do not find the answer, do not stop, continue searching, and one day you will find the truth.
But wait a minute, did not Heidy Baker pray to God every time before she play the miracle? Does it mean that we should suspect the answer to our pray? If so, what should we trust then?
God, could you answer me this bigger question rather than the death-life question? When we pray to you, are you going to answer or the demon sometimes going to answer?
God, I have to find you, and I have to know you, only you.
SG
I bought the video about Heidi and was very impressed with her self reports of all the miracles done through her. Then I saw her in person and this is the point when I was very disturbed by her mocking statement that “just because its not in the book doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do it” That got a laugh out of the audience and it aligned with Bill Johnsons statement “the Holy Spirit trumps the bible” Of course how they define the Holy Spirit is bizarre, strange, and insane looking manifestations of hysterical laughing, seizure like movements where chaos takes over a service.
This means that a subjective experience is more important than the Word. God said of the Word “I have exalted my word above my name. As I heard other’s influenced by Heidi Baker speak I realized there was no bizarre thing that they weren’t willing to attribute to the Holy Spirit, which makes church a free for all of excess with no evidence of decency and order. After 6 months in such a congregation in which things like gold dust fell from the ceiling I began to realize they were teaching another gospel, very little scriptural content, what there is, is taken out of context. As a result of seeing Heidi Baker, and her cohorts that sponsored her visit to our church I left the Charismatic movement.
frightening for the souls that follow her ..there are many that believe that way and they fill the pews just like the people fill the tents of a circus they have come to see the acts and hear the testimony of…the most wicked defiled to fill their aww at the wonders….till the circus comes to town again.. sad. but true they take twenty minutes talking on the sins they were in
and the crowd. eats it up …then two or three minutes on Jesus. the. crowd goes away telling all gving Satan glory …then call it a testimony next week the crowds get larger to hear more “‘..few will hear. the word of God and the love of Jesus to listen to. the pastor calling them on the alter call..
Heidi reminds me of Arthur Blessitt and Jackie Pullinger who used to be christian heroes to me until I found Christ.
I’m still a bit confused, and don’t know what to make of her and her ministry. Many people keep her in high regard – even our pastor this morning. All tell this and this… feeding the poor healing the sick were the good fruits… however I come to the conclusion, when reading Paul or listen to Jesus/Yeshua’s sermons, that the Holy Spirit lead’s us in all truth and righteousness, which is per definition the Word of God, he will write it into our heart, so it will be near to us. He seems to direct us to trust, that God’s law is good for us and wanting to obey and teach others, too… In Matt.7:21 Jesus basically defines the bad fruit as practicing lawlessness (we sometimes confuse the law written down by Moses with the laws of the Pharesees, but they were putting up their own traditions legalizing ruthlessness as seen in Matt.15:1-6); I don’t know you. Go away from me all you who practice lawlessness. And John said in 1John 2:3-7 that “knowing” is keeping his commandments. And if one correctly differentiates between (at least)all the seven Laws that Paul talks of (Law of God, Law of Sin; Law of Sin and Death; Law of the Spirit of Life, Law of Faith, Law of Righteousness and Law of Christ) one comes also away with that the Holy Spirit is the one directing us to God’s law and keeping it…(Romans 7:12+14 or 10:1-8 in connection with Deut 30:11-14 also Galatians 5:16-25) That is what I see the spirit is supposed to do. I find that in stark contrast to being paralized and babbling uncontrollably for 30 minutes without even a word from scripture… and most disturbing to me is, that even Pastors are ignorant of this.
I forgot to mention that Jesus is the Word…so the Holy Spirit makes us also trusting in Jesus, that he fills our righteousness, but that we keep on track and not make the blood of Jesus void either by not not accepting it or by trampling it and grieving the Holy Spirit (Hebr 10:26ff) I find Hebr. 4:2 a central verse in this: The Good news is also preached in the so called “OT”, but they didn’t mix it with faith/trust, that God provides for the ultimate forgiveness, producing more and more rules to God`s perfect law. Likewise we, we should mix our trusting in “super-grace” with keeping God’s Law…
To:Ruth Cooper (January 5,2013) said:
“Ivarfjeld: I have seen many videos of HB and have listened very carefully. I hear HB tell how faithful she is, how holy she is , how humble she is, how much she loves Jesus.”
Ruth, you are so right!-She talks so much about her doings and her sufferings and the extravagant visions that God gives her BUT without ministering to the people.
I’ve heard say many times that she saw Jesus eyes full of love and passion for her and that the Father absolutely adores her because he tells her so.
Once while she was preaching, she stopped and she said;”I love you too, Lord!”.
Let me tell you something: this woman has caused me more spiritual damage than the devil!
God is my witness!
See how people leave her meetings an awe of her instead of being in awe of Jesus!
She is eclipsing God’s glory because people end up admiring her and desiring to be like her instead of desiring to be like Jesus!
Sometimes I’m on the phone ministering to people and I hear the Lord say: “I love you!”.
Do you think that I would reply aloud “I love You too’?
Imagine how the person on the other end of the line would feel.
do you think that at that moment they would feel the love of Jesus for them?-Of course not.They would feel that the Lord was preferring me over them!
Also: if we are going to tell others that we saw Jesus eyes full of love and passion for us,the right way to do it is by telling others that they may have never had a similar vision but that the same love and passion we saw in his eyes for us He also has for them!
We all worship together but then when the time comes to preach, she likes to do her personal ‘devotion” that she have done previously while asking the Lord for a word to give to the people.
Instead she focus on herself and makes love declarations to the Lord while the people are watching her.
They are neither worshiping because she is distracting them and they are waiting to hear the Word of God but instead it’s always about her visions, over and over and over!
There is a show on TLC called “The sister wives” where a man (mormon) has 4 wives.
They all have their night with him and at times they meet in the living room for fellowship.
Imagine if one of the wives would come to Kody’s feet (the guy’s name) and say in the presence of the other wives;”Kody, I’m wooing you to come to me’.
How would the other wives react?-They would feel disrespected and so would the husband since that woman was not respecting his love for the other wives and their love for him!
That’s exactly how I feel when we as the body of Christ are reunited
in fellowship and this woman comes and starts saying to Jesus;’Lord, I’m wooing you to come to me”.
don’t we have the secret place to open how heart to the Lord and tell Him how we feel?
Do we must display it in the face of those who also love Him?
Once the Lord told me that he is not impressed by these public displays of affection towards Him because he sees the hearts of those who listening to her and how they feel inferior!
It’s like you said:people think that she is the thing next to God!
Once she said that she only knew one more person who was like her: a radical lover!
Then one day the Lord spoke these words to me;”Beam of ceder”.
I didn’t understand the meaning.
Later I was reading something about the beams sustaining the house and I remember that word.That’s when the Lord said that it meant:radical lover!
As you see, we all who seek Him with all our hearts are radical lovers!-God loves us all the same and He is no respecter of persons!
Anyone who causes people to be in awe of them rather that being in awe of Jesus, have failed.
And to those who are in awe of the miracles and the thousands of churches and thousands of orphans being fed,etc…
No one raises up the dead but Jesus Himself by the power of the Holy Ghost!
It’s not too hard to feed thousands of orphans when you have people sending you millions of dollars!-I would do the same !
As for the time she spends in prayer, why not?-She doesn’t have a secular job and she has people under her doing the work.
I remember when she herself claimed the many hours she spends in worship: 8 to 9 hours a day!
Well, those who send her money have to spend that same amount of time working in order to make a living!
Only Jesus Christ deserves to be glorified!-Forget the vessel and keep Your eyes on Jesus!
Remember the words of John the Baptist:”I must decrease and He must increase”!
One of the things that the Lord revealed to me several years ago is that there is a contest going on on the pulpit:people trying to prove that they are the ones who have more intimacy with Jesus!
The Lord also said that He is the One Who knows who His intimate lovers are!
Keep your eyes on the One who died for us on the cross and repent for idolizing a human being that is nothing but a sinner saved by the grace of God!-We all are!
The sad thing is: they don’t even preach the Gospel of Our Lord Jesus Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to those who believe. They preach their experiences and their visions!
Visions can never replace the Gospel!
And by the way: I have read the testimonies of some people who have served with her and they have questioned many things!
One said that when a preacher rebuked that woman (I don’t even like to mention her name) she turned to the volunteers and she accused them of being their fault that the Lord was displeased.Then she called them to come to her feet and repent because they weren’t giving their all to the Lord!
That same person said that she compared their rules to the things to watch for in a cult and that they fulfill most of them!
I also read couple of nights ago about the for that people need to fill out in order to serve with them and I was appalled at their questions.
Basically neither the apostles or Jesus could have passed their test since they all had wine on the Last Supper and now they would have to answer if they have ever had wine!
They ask very personal questions about sexual sins people have committed in the past.
Doesn’t the Bible say that if we confess our sins to God he is Faithful and Just to forgive us and to clean us of every unrighteousness?
Doesn’t the Bible say that even though our sins were red as scarlet they have become white as snow?
Father, I thank You for the cleansing power of the Blood of Your Son!-Amen!
One more thing:
A woman testified at the airport Church several years ago that while she was watching Heidi Baker she felt that she could never be like her and that she could never please the Lord the same way and that her desire was to run away from the Lord.
Do you think that this is the work of the Holy Spirit?
The Holy Spirit desire is to bring people to the Lord not to cause them to run away for feeling inferior!
Being born in Portugal, I decided to stay in the gap for my nation.
I hugged Roland Baker and I said:I’m from Portugal and I want to ask you for forgiveness for all the sins against Mozambique.
He gave me a look that I can only describe as hatred!
I understand that he has seen the result of all those years of colonialism but it’s not my fault!
Correction:
(English is my second language and I wrote so fast that I made some mistakes).
When I wrote these words:
“We all worship together but then when the time comes to preach, she likes to do her personal ‘devotion” that she have done previously while asking the Lord for a word to give to the people.”
What I meant was:
“We all worship together but then when the time comes to preach
she likes to do her personal devotion which she SHOULD HAVE DONE previously while she (should be asking) the Lord for a word to give to the people”.
Instead they choose to take the time when they are supposed to preach to do their personal ‘devotion” while being paid!
When Jesus went to the temple he didn’t choose that time to worship the Father intimately. He did that when he used to get up early and go to the Mount of Olives to pray!
In the Temple he taught the Word of God and healed the sick and delivered those oppressed of the devil!
I love to worship the Lord and I have had the micro in my hands to give a word of knowledge or a prophetic word or to pray (at the request of my pastor) but I never chose that time to try to impress the Lord (He is not impressed by the way) or to impress others about my intimacy with Jesus!
Let’s imitate the Lord alone!
Why would she call her ministry IRIS? Iris was a Greek goddess and means rainbow; this alone should tell you something. Remember the coherence between New Age and rainbow?
Do you celebrate Easter? Or Christmas for that matter?
Amen for exposing this FALSE PROPHET and FALSE TEACHER!
I guess when Jesus warned 4 times MORE about deception than He did anything else, He was judging too huh? According to some of the comments here. Or when the apostle Paul said to mark, rebuke, and avoid those teaching error. Or when the apostle John said we aren’t even suppose to let false teachers into our homers or greet them. I guess they were all the original haters eh? Sad when people twist scripture.
1 Corin. 5 IS very clear we are to judge those who profess to be in the faith and that God judges outside the church.
Keep warning!!
This rank “drunk in the spirit” junk is rank heresy! http://youtu.be/HM_ICTbJ27g
These scriptures addresses what you are arguing about, be carefull
what spirit you call demon , not even the angels (jude 1:8-10) accuse or slander the devil, if Heidi is working through the Holy Spirit , then you have sinned greatly by calling Him a demon, be carefull
mathew 12:25-28 especially verse :31 House divided cannot stand
mark 16:17-18 miracles do happen , and we will know them by their fruits
mathew 25:34-40 whatever you do for the least you do unto Christ
When my husband got saved, he had a supernatural encounter. He was knocked to the floor where he lay while Jesus delivered him of the demons that had tormented him with what he describes as “fire, glazed over my eyeballs and burning through my bones.” Afterward he learned of how the bible says “our God is a jealous God, an all consuming fire.” In Hebrews,
While I have certainly seen a lot in my life as a Christian – a lot of false stuff in “charismatic” circles (I shudder at denominating name tags), yet I just read today how Jesus said that he could not do his miracles through Satan, as a possessed man (as he was accused), because “a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.”
I’m looking online to see Heidi’s stances on mothering and being fruitful and multiplying – open to learning from Jesus as people share what they have learned through the scriptures. When I see the way she interacts with children I see love, and if it is sincere and genuine than that is nothing short of a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
God can manifest his glory whatever way he likes, who are we to second guess him. Yet “test all things and hold fast to what is true.” This is the right thing to do, but also the bible says that the greatest command is to love. Don’t despise this teaching, embrace the full message of Christ and the cross.
Gemika. Jesus does not do false miracles because He is holy and righteous, but sadly satan (actually falseprophet) does false pseudo miracles just as the anti-christ will do to deceive others. Do not be drawn only to miracles but instead to Christ’s blood and death on the cross and His resurrection as the foundation. The Gospel is our focus. Miracles are done by followers of Christ I agree, but there is discernment and testing of spirits needed to be done also to distinguish between God’s true miralces, and the false miracles. May you be blessed sister.
When I saw this blog, what I felt was sadness. It so sad that fellow brothers/sisters, call themselves a Christian, was so deceive so easily and judge the people whom Jesus loves..
To the author, researcher, approve, reviewer and editor of this blog, two things I want to ask:
1. Have you read Matthew 18:15-20?
It may look as personal or within the same church only, but since we all believe in Jesus Christ, we received the same Holy Spirit, we are the church of Christ. Heidi Baker received Jesus and is not professing another god except the One we believe.
What I am trying to say is, if you think what Heidi Baker doing is against the Holy Spirit, rebuke/correct her as what Matthew 18:15-20 is saying.
If what she’s doing is contradicting to what you believe, then it means she’s opposing what you believe, then she is offending you.
When you wrote and posted this, have you ever talked to her personally and raised this to her? Have you ever asked her what she really felt and what are her visions?
If so, what was her respond? If she did not listened, have you asked the opinion of other churches or leaders?
2. Have you rad 1 Corinthians 10:23-24?
“Think before you speak. Think before you click.”
Before you posted this, how was your heart? What was your intention?
I know you don’t want the people to be deceived, but have you checked your heart if your not the one being deceived.
Deceived is believing what your doing is right even it is completely wrong.
I’ve never personally met Heidi Baker and I just knew about her recently. But to tell you honestly, listening to her testimony brought-up the fire in me that I lost, to reach out to more people who need help. To change their lives by introducing the Gospel of Jesus Christ to them.
What if someone who got the same desire through her testimony read this? You think you will encourage that person to go and fulfill the great commission? or loosen their heart and turn-off the fire in their heart?
What if you are wrong and Heidi Baker is truly from the Holy Spirit? Internet make the earth smaller. Millions of people can read this. Believers and non-believers. Member and non-member of their church. Instead of leading the non-believer to God, you are misleading them. And maybe causing division within the church.
I am not a perfect person. I am a sinner. But I know God loves me, all of us, even Heidi Baker.. So don’t judge so easily.
Do not be one of those people who wanted to stone the prostitute.
Can you pray for all of us that the Spirit of God will always be upon us and open our eyes and not be blinded.
Thank you and God bless us brothers and sisters…
Well will you look at that, mission accomplished…that was easy. An old trick of the devil…Just make an accusation against one of God’s people and you will get them fighting against each other about who’s right!!! He doesn’t need to come up with anything new because this old strategy works like a charm. How about we pray for one another instead of falling for the distractions. Do what you are commanded to do…love your neighbor as yourself, pray for the saints at all times, go out into the world and share the good news!!! And don’t forget to put on the full armor of God!
@CT: “Do what you are commanded to do. . . love your neighbor as yourself, pray for the saints at all times, go out into the world and share the good news!!!”
Other commands include: judge righteously (John 7:24); contend for the faith which was once for all handed down to the saints (Jude 1:3); mark those who cause divisions (Romans 16:17); rebuke sharply – so that they may be sound in the faith and free from error (Titus 1:13).
Heidi baker is living how Jesus instructed christians to live. I have met her, she is the REAL DEAL!!!! NOTHING about her is demonic!! I find it hilarious that people would even put Heidi baker and demon in the same sentence! pahahahhahapahahha!!!
SHE LOVES JESUS SOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH AND SHE LOVES PEOPLE!!!!!!! THIS IS WHAT THE GOSPEL TEACHES US TO DO. why be so hard on her simply because she didnt mention sin or repentance in the short video that you watched? lol I understand that your doing what you believe is right but be careful in judging. I know one thing the LORD JESUS CHRIST is pleased with this woman!
Unless you have met her and know otherwise… God uses her. Shame on the people who refuse to let God be God.
Heidi Baker is a new Mother Teresa. This article attacking her is SATAN.
Dear Destin
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Heidi Baker is a new Mother Teresa. This article attacking her is SATAN.
My reply:
You might be right about Heidi Baker being a “new Mother Teresa”. And sine Mother Theresa was not a Christian, my best guess is that this explains my viewpoint. There are a lot of people doing social work and helping the poor. Including a lot of Hindus, Buddhists, and NEW Ager’s like Heidi Baker.
Mother Teresa was a Christian. I am Christian baptized in Catholic Church. I was coming from Buddhist background, I knew Buddhists. They help no body but themselves, greedy and corrupted. To others they look so sweet and peaceful people, but among themselves they have committed gravely sins against GOD. Look at Cambodia. 90% people live under poverty, only about 10% are wealthy. Without the Christians help them, they will be ended up dead. I was almost dead too, but GOD saved me, and I was the only child survived. I did not just wake up and became a Chrstian, I dreamed saw GOD in a form of a Giant moon and it was bright and a voice of my father told me to worship GOD, so I knelt down and worshiped HIM that when I was very sick dying on my deathbed. The next day I was healed talking like a healthy kid. My father was Buddhist why did he tell met that Giant moon was GOD in my dream? Later I had a vision, I saw and met the Lord, Lord Jesus, it was like real. GOD saved my life and brought me to the US and He has guided me until this hour. To me who believes in GOD the Father, and does HIS Will and follows HIS Son, Lord Jesus CHRIST is Christian. If you reject me that I am not Christian, you better face the Lord and challenge HIM by yourself. He is my Father. You can classify who are Christians, and who are not as you feel like, but GOD is the Only judge, not you, no body, but only HIM.
Glory to HIS Name forever and ever. Amen.
Destiny
Destin
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
How do you know you were baptized in the Catholic Church?
How do you know I was not baptized in the Catholic Church? Your testimony about Buddhists miserably failed,
claiming that Buddhists helped others? In facts I was Buddhist. The Buddhist believed No GOD, have Zero fear of GOD.
They worship Idols, and they practice opposite to GOD’s Laws. They may not hurt or harm others, but they do to their own
people. In Thailand, the King is god, and his family members are gods. The majority of people are very poor, some sold their
Kids for a few dollars. In Cambodia, King was god, later Pol Pot, now Hun Sen and his family are gods, and killing people to keep
power is their daily life. The majority of Buddhists are so poor, how can they help others? Look at Dalai Lama who escaped from
his native land of Tibet. He was the ruler of his native land Tibet before China took over. Did he help others? No. Preaching false
Doctrine and always bragged and claimed Buddhism good this or that. The facts without Christians (GOD’s children) helped
and saved them they would have been dead ot tortured to death in their own place already.
People like you have always helped the liars to lie more, and have always go around judged people.
Similar to Buddhism is Hindu, because Buddhism found by an Indian Hindu prince, he later was known as Gotama Buddha.
He was a very good man according to his biography, but his doctrine was no different than Einstein’s Relativity that was found
to be wrong. Likewise Buddha’s Noble truths when put it into practice, it led to destroy nations and lives.
The Buddhists have always denied, sure they have to. When men worship men like Buddhas
as Gods, they were all miserable defeated by the true Living GOD as always.
And you, you have no position nor authority was given to you from above to judge any body, only
Lord Jesus Christ, the Living GOD that has all authorities to judge the living and the deads.
GLORY TO HIS NAME FOR EVER AND EVER. AMEN.
PS: “Do Not Judge or you too will be judged”. Matthew 7:1
Destin
Destin,
I accept you as a Christian. Don’t worry about those who appoint themselves as judges over you. Your judge is Jesus Christ. But be careful to follow the truth because there are many forgeries. If those you listen to tell you that Jesus Christ came in the flesh (as a man) and died on the cross for the forgiveness of everyone’s sins, and was raised from the dead by God the father. Then they are speaking the truth. Anything that contradicts that truth is a lie.
I didn’t read everything that everybody wrote, but with a lot of you there are a lot of anger instead of God’s love, You decide who your are. We are to compare ourselves only to Christ and then we all will find ourselves wanting and in need of more of Christ. If there are false teachers, God is mighty enough to remove them, it is neither your or my decision. Find someway to built up the body of Christ instead of creating strive! I will leave only this one thought, so don’t bother to comment on what I say, because I will not be visiting this blog again.
Stay in Christ and love one another.
Gerhard,
You said: If there are false teachers, God is mighty enough to remove them, it is neither your or my decision.
My comment: Jesus warns us numerous times in his Word about false teachers. Here are just some of the verses.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Jesus tell us: 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
So are we to sit here quietly or are we to test these people?
Gloria
Hi Gloria, I am not into internet discussions, please just read 1 John 4:2 also. What did David say about Saul, I will not touch the anointed of God, Just a warning, Be very careful when judging any preacher, for if your wrong, you will be fighting God Himself. Make sure that you know the word of God to the fullest and that you are born again and in the Spirit, For the kingdom of God is in righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, I don’t like to judge any preacher, though I choose to listern to the ones that agree with my spirit man, and I test what they say to the fullest of the Word of God. The way we grow up and the traditions of the denomination we go to have a very great influance in how we see things. Just be careful, Know His word and you will not be mislead, the problem of the church today is that the members do not study the bible any more, so all they have is the traditions of man and no right judgement can be made from that position. It will be like asking a child of 8 years old to land and give advice on how to operate a Boing 747 airliner. Stay blessed and in Christ.
Dear Gerhard
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You quoted:
1. John 4:2
2 This is how you can recognise the Spirit of God: every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.
My reply:
Its amazing that you take this scripture, in favor of not exposing false Prophets and false teachers. Since the verse before, 1 John 4:2 is:
“Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world”.
In context: Many people do acknowledge that “Jesus” has come in the flesh, read: He has existed. But they do not accept the power of the resurrection, and that Jesus is God. Many Christians seems to have no clue what the Word “Christ” is suppose to mean. That we are talking about God of Israel, the anointed, the Messiah, that has appeared inline with the Prophetic Word. This fact is rejected by a lot of people who claim they believe in “Jesus”. Like the Jehovah Witness, the Later day saints and Roman Catholics.
Heidi Baker clearly believe that “Jesus” is one of “her gods”. And that is idolatry.
Please be aware of this, and stop quoting and using the scripture out of context.
Can I ask, what are you doing for God,and is Mark 16 a reality in your life, Jesus also said that if someone was teaching in His name that they could never call Him a cursed, He told His disciples to let them be. Go and read Acts 2 and see what happens there. I am not out of context, but busy with a much bigger picture. Obviously there will be opinions, they are like noses, everybody has one, but they are full of holes.
May God reveal His love in your heart.
Dear Gerhard.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You asked: Can I ask, what are you doing for God,and is Mark 16 a reality in your life….
My reply:
Its not about me, nor Heidi Baker. It is about Jesus. What he has done for us. Ref, Matthew 7, 21-23. 2. Cor 11, 4, etc. And by the way. The most known gospel of works, is Catholicism.
If it is about Jesus, then concentrate on Jesus and not on people, and then Jesus will live through you and manifest in and through you and all of what the word say He has done will He also do through you. If Jesus is your centre, you will be like Paul in 1 Cor2v1-5. He chose to give dominion unto man in Christ, From Adam to Noah they were called the sons of God, and again since Jesus died until now we have received the power to become the sons of God again. Jesus works through people, so when you judge the people He use, you judge Him. Acts 5v34-39 Then stood up one in the council, a Pharisee, named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation amoung all the people, and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space; and said unto them, ye men of Israel, take heed to YOURSELVES what ye intend to do as touching these men. For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought. After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.If I continue with this I will be wasting my time, so you do what you want, I want to find ways to build up the body of Christ unto the stature of Christ Ef 4v 13, Lets rather change this and find time to pray for those and ask God where they are missing it to guide and help them to see the light, we are His witnesses and He is the Judge. So lets witness of His goodness instead of slandering each other with envy and strife, because that will bring confusion and every evil work. Let His light shine in us for He said, you are a city set on a Hill, a light that cannot be hidden, Don’t hide you light. stay focused on Christ and make him your light and you will be light. Blessings Ps on this blog is not enough space to fully make a statement, so giving the whole answer will call for days of writing, and we will always miss one point, that will again offend someone. lets not be religious.
Dear Gordon.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
If Jesus is your centre, you will be like Paul in 1 Cor2v1-5.
My comment:
Absolutely.
He warned about people misusing the name if Jesus. Like in 2.Cor 11.4.
And he told us to expose false teachers and prophets. He even cursed them.
Galatians 1:9:
As we have already said, so now I say again: if anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
(end of scripture):
When Heidi Baker preach her gospel of works, she is a mini-Pope to her followers. Its all about her, and the “gods” of her life. She use the name of “Jesus”, but it is a “different Jesus”. Just as Paul explains, in 2.Cor 11,4.
I have a lot to boast about, but I am a sinner who are in need of the mercy and grace of the Lord, everyday. If I should boast, I would boast of nothing but my weaknesses. May the name of Yeshua the Messiah be exalted. Let there be move of Him, and less if me. Amen.
I do know the Bakers personally.
I sat next to the Bakers at the Toronto Vineyard conference that started the whole thing. I got to know them, on a personal level, as a sweet couple, missionaries to Mozambique. I have walked with the LORD since 1978. And have learned discernment the hard way, GOD’s way. I don’t like being deceived. Remember nobody knew them at this time. when Rolland told me that his grandfather wrote “Visions beyond the Veil”. I said “NO WAY, that book changed my life. I also found out that they were risking everything, including $1,000,000 of promised funding, just to be at this conference. I was an eyewitness, on the seat to their left, in the back, where I like it, when I heard from pulpit “is there a missionary couple here from Africa”. they froze, to stand up meant to loose almost everything. again I heard “their missionaries to Mozambique”. I watched them struggle, with that for, maybe 3 seconds. but they got up, with a look resignation. they went forward. I watched the LORD touch Heidi.Heidi, and Africa, have never been the same. the very thought of faking miracles would horrorfy Heidi. Remember I know the bakers personally. I have decades of experience, and I don’t like being deceived. I have discernment. Not to be mean, but I see a lot of the accuser of the brethren here. much like those who accused Jesus of using demons for miracles. I see judgement masquerading as discernment. Heidi knows she will stand before the LORD. We would all do well to remember that.
Dear Joseph Caulfield
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I do not know Heidi Baker personally, and I am not at all interested in her relationships to banks, funds, relatives and friends. I am concerned about the theology she represent, and what kind of Spirit that is reigning in her heart. My articles are based on video-cuts, and they can talk for them selves.
I believe that Jesus the Messiah can heal anyone from all kinds of sicknesses, at any moment of His choice. That a miracles took place in front of any pulpit, do not make the message of the preacher more or lesser correct. The message has to be scrutinized based on what has been said.
I Pray that Jesus to the Messiah will show mercy to Heidi Baker. Just like I am in need of the same. I hope and pray we both will be found inside the eternal Kingdom of Heaven.
Hi! 🙂
Thank you for exposing Heidi Baker.
Just want to make a quick comment regarding the last paragraph where you pray for mercy for Heidi. Unfortunately God’s Word if very clear that anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is the unpardonable sin.
What Heidi is doing is pure blasphemy.
She won’t be forgiven for what she is doing.
What we really need to be doing is praying for all the people that are following her to snap out of their delusions and see this heretic for what she really is and turn away from her before they get caught up in the blasphemy too.
God bless you and keep up the great work! 🙂
Glory to God!
I just haven’t the time to watch her videos, and do the doctrinal comparison required. I have walked with the LORD since 1978. By the time I got to know the Bakers, the discernment I had learned from the LORD, I got the hard way, following false teachers, yada, yada, yada. But as a young believer, the LORD stuffed me with scripture, read 6 to 12 hours a day for months, then a year at bible school. That’s how the LORD freed me from that, I can’t tell you how much of what was portrayed as charismatic on TV sickened me. puke. But I saw the HOLY SPIRIT’s fruit in them. They didn’t want fame at all. The LORD continually keeps my attitude in check. Yep, trips to HIS wood shed. Heidi knows she will stand before the LORD someday. I suspect they long for the days before all this happened. when life was so much simpler. Now I get to experience “the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings”, how fun for me. I take that back it sucks, but there are places in Jesus’s I never would have known without that. I can’t get into it here, but now I shed real tears for the lost. I can’t describe how they hurt. But Heidi gets to live in a fishbowl. She, and Rolland are a sweet couple. I can testify to that, and yes I get to stand before HIM too. But how the Bakers are sometimes portrayed is sad. Those who have yet to know the LORD use that for a reason not to. Anyway, in a lot of pain right now so nap time, latter 🙂
I read Heidi Baker’s book. I wasn’t sure if she was for real. So I got on a plane to go see. Those of you who are criticizing, have you sat in the dirt with her, ministering to the broken? have you traveled into the bush with her to preach the Gospel to the lost? She is preaching the true Gospel. You are preaching division.
In Acts, versus 16, 17, 18, Paul writes, “Instead, this is what the prophet Joel spoke about: This is what I will do in the last days, God says: I will pour out My Spirit on everyone. Your sons and daughters will proclaim My message; your young men will see visions, and your old men will have dreams. Yes, even on My servants, both men and women, I will pour out My Spirit in those days and they will proclaim My message. (Italics are mine.)
Some people think Paul contradicts himself because in 1 Corinthians 14:34, he writes that women should keep quiet in the churches and ask their husbands questions at home if they have any. And again in 1 Timothy 2:11, Paul writes, “Women should learn in silence and all humility. Verse 12 I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet.” It sure looks like a contradiction. But God’s word never contradicts itself. When it seems to, we need to look into it to see who it was written to and why.
In 1 Corinthians Paul is writing to Timothy about the conditions at the church in Corinth. There was confusion and chaos in the assemblies there. People were speaking in tongues without waiting for interpretation and women who were uneducated, (only the men at that time had this privilege) were asking ignorant questions out of turn. This had to be addressed specifically in Corinth! The message in 1 Timothy 2 was also specific to the church in Ephesus. There the women were used to being in authority over the men. Many of them were ex-priestesses for the goddess Diana. They wanted to run their assemblies. That’s why we also read in Ephesians 5:22, 23 and 24, “Wives, submit yourselves to your husbands as to the Lord. For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is Himself the Savior of the church, His body. And so wives must submit themselves completely to their husbands just as the church submits itself to Christ.”
We see that taken in its entirety, and in the proper context,
God’s word never contradicts itself!
This is the closing remarks of Jesus Christ before going back to Heaven. Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
Jesus said of the the Pharisees who call these works of the Holy Spirit, the work of Lucifer, they were blaspheming the Holy Spirit. With this in mind, do the theologians on this site believe healing the sick or miracles signs and wonders done today are the work of demons or the Holy Spirit?
Ivar, you are mistaken. I love you doo. I pray Jesus open you eyes on that subject. Baptists are stiff on some issues.
Please take it to the Lord. Please.
Friends, the gospel is not hard to understand. It is the good news of Jesus Christ for the salvation of the damned. We shouldn’t overcomplicate the gospel.
Yes – we are called to test every spirit. And we are called to wary of Satan’s plans. But for a believing Christian this should not be difficult.
I would like to point you to three things:
1 – The bible says we should know them by their fruits.
2 – The bible says noone can say “Jesus is Lord”, except by the Holy Spirit.
3 – The bible says; “And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.”
We are all given different areas to focus on in our walk with Christ. Some are teachers, some are comforters, some are to correct others, with love. Heidi Baker is a comforter, Jesus is using her mightily. Look to her fruits, they are plentiful. Look to her statement of faith; https://www.irisglobal.org/about/statement-of-faith. Talk to her in person and she would tell you “Jesus is GOD, Jesus is LORD, He died for our sins!”.
I invite you to read and pray over the following: Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-8; 2:1-4; 10:44-46; 1 Corinthians 12, 14.
We are called to be one body! We are not to create division! To look upon a person and to know he/she is a Christian is to be a easy thing, it is those that proclaim Jesus Christ to be Lord, and live by his Word! GOD made it easy for us, SO easy! We have but one decision to make, and then the walk is laid out infront of us for us, we are only to put one foot infront of the other. Seize your destiny you sons and daughters of the Most High!
If we find conflicting teaching among ourselves, do not argue, go back to Jesus and through prayer he will unite us again. Focus always on JESUS. The things that we argue with between ourselves do not matter, just make sure JESUS is in heart and in deed. We should not argue between ourselves. Look for the things that unite us, instead of those that cause division. As long as it’s sound Bible doctrine. As long as Jesus is proclaimed as Lord. As long as there is FRUIT. Then there is to be peace of mind. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED OR BELITTLED, and I feel this is something He wants us really to understand. The counterfeit shall not be mistaken for the HOLY GHOST. HE IS GOD! See HIS fruits! GOD BLESS YOU!
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. ~ Gospel of Matthew
I believe that Heidi and Rolland Baker are filled with the Holy Spirit, because no one can bring the Gospel of Jesus Christ our Saviour to an Atheist nation without the Spirit of Christ; or without His command.
There are definitely false apostles and prophets, that’s true, but I don’t think we have to spend most of our time to expose every one of them; we should rather focus on the poor, the orphans, the lost. The Apostle Paul wrote the following to the Philippians:
“Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.”
The truth is, the Spirit of God will reveal to us those who are doing false work and they will be exposed at the right time. Haven’t we learned that vengeance is the LORD’s? As it is written in the letter to the Romans:
“Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”says the Lord. Therefore, “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.””
Something to think about: Suppose God allows it for you to “expose” Heidi and Rolland Baker and they be removed; will you then go over to Mozambique and take on those roles and give up everything? Will you?
Blessings
I think the problem could more be, the interpretation of scripture. I personally don’t know of this work of Heidi, but I know the enemy can fool people to attack godly men and women. Trying to stop or at least hinder their work.
I was googling this organization, and samaritans purse, I would like to be on the mission field, but I am a bit afraid of fornication that I’ve seen on some mission fields. If I would go there could I be certain of cleanness of moral?
Never heard of fornication among missionaries!!
Really as many have stated & the scripture speaks ( paraphrasing) many will come to me on that day & says ” haven’t we done many good works, miracles in *your name* & I will say go away from me I never knew you.
Scary thought – To think rolling on the floor and acting drunk, shaking with animal noises is the ‘ Holy Spirit ? Please reconsider your deception.
“I will say go away from me I never knew you”. How does one know and love God? Through love and obedience towards his Word; Jesus Christ.
“He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.”
How does one be obedient towards Jesus? You keep His commandments, which are;
“And he answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.”. Is there not love in Hedi Baker’s ministry?
The Word says, test every spirit. If the spirit acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, then it is from God. If it doesn’t, then it is not from God. Simple as. I believe many of you perceive Satan as mightier than he actually is. Does Satan cast out Satan? No!
* She testifies that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh
* She bears much fruit
* She strives to uphold the law of Jesus Christ; love God and your neighbour
Remember, all encounters with God, is 1 part God, and 1 part human being. How you react to your encounter, will always be greatly impacted by your personality, your culture and your stance on such things in general. We will never be completely free of our nature as long as we live on earth. Many flamboyant reactions and manifestations can come largely from God, and many can be wrested forth by a human being desperate to have a strong encounter with a living God.
Who is any of you to say that Heidi’s encounter with God was not of God? Hedi was in a place in her life where she was far from God. What she needed was a strong, reality altering encounter. How else would anyone spur into such seal for the Lord? Have any of us? God had marked her, and He wanted to motivate her, strongly. The way God reaches out to different people is as numerable as there is people. Who are we to say, this was not from God?
When people roll around on the floor, practice holy laughter, etc, etc. This could be from God, and this could also be from our carnal minds, desperately trying to increase our encounter. Remember that the apostels were mistaken for drunkards. Really try to read that scripture with an open mind. Do not cause division in the Body of Christ. DO NOT! Be really careful, I beg of you. I too once was seeking for every little difference in how people related to Jesus or interpreted scripture. It is not wise! Look to the fruit! Look to the cross and the redeeming blood of Jesus being evangelized! And look to the LOVE! Have you these things, then you have the HOLY SPIRIT at work. Do not test him.
Rolling around on the floor is not from God. There is no such thing as holy laughter.
The apostles were not mistaken for drunkards, they weren’t even acting like drunks, but it was purely an intentional mockery with the people saying, “These men are full of new wine”. The apostles were not rolling around nor were they twitching as Kriya Kundalini serpent possessed people do. They were purely speaking in tongues.
What Ole Martin has outlined in his reply is totally twisting biblical knowledge and using it to defend the heresy. That is clearly the work of Satan. For God is not the author of confusion. But Ole Martin’s response if full of contradictions and confusion. It is obvious who Ole Martin serves … satan.
Ole Martin – With all do respect good works in and of itself doesn’t mean it’s God ordained. I mean ” United Way” does great works of charity.The scriptures warn against ‘ false Christs’, spirits & yes they do good works, Satan appears as ‘ light” not darkness, that’s the deception. The bible warns against drunkenness & you honestly think a professing believer appearing drunk ( whether alcohol induced or not) bring glory to God ?? wake up people
Hi Keith,
First, let me just say, in the Roland’s e-mail letter, repentance from sin and Christ crucified is preached. As well as in their testimony of faith.
This side of eternity we will never see God’s work or will be done completely unpolluted by human interference. He has chosen to work through human beings. An encounter with God is always part God, part human being.
Many say; “this is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is a gentleman”. The Holy Spirit will speak to each and every heart in the way that that particular heart needs to be spoken to. As Ivar says, He will of course not go against scripture. Stretch your minds, do not be imprisoned by fear. Think of Pauls meeting with Christ on the way to Damascus. He fell to the ground. Not very gentleman-like of Christ. Some the Holy Spirit will speak silently to through the years, transformed by walking with Christ, forever seeking to come close to the example he sat, others will be rocked, changed in an instant, and equipped to be diciples of Christ. Like Paul. Like Heidi.
As Paul said “What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.”
I’m sure all of us had said something regarding God’s Word, or God himself, at one time or another, that does not line up with His Will. Maybe we even did it in good faith. I sure did.
Rejoice that Heidi is keeping the two main commandments of the Lord Jesus. Loving God with all that she is, and loving her neighbour as herself. If any is offended by her relationship to God, they should seek God and grow their own relationship, instead of judging and labeling other christians.
What if it’s actually the Holy Spirit filling her, and manifesting through her? What if it’s all Him? What then? Many her has labelled it satanic. Repent! Let God judge. Focus on your own relationship to Jesus, and rejoice in the fruit being produced by her ministry.
We should stop quoting solo-verses and build theology on that. The Bible was written without verses. Read the book, get to know God. God is more than His book. The book is the portal to get to know Christ Jesus. Lest we become pharisees.
The verse you quote, about workers of iniquity being turned away by Jesus. This is about keeping Jesus’ commandments, yes. So that we do not work iniquity/be lawless. What are His commandments? “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” Luke 10:27. And the great commission. Preach the gospel, cast out devils, heal the sick. Which is exactly what Hedi and Roland is doing.
Again, don’t judge! Those who do will be judged in return!
I too judge, others! I’ve judged some of the people on this thread! Forgive me! But please pray over this! Do not judge Heidi Baker!
Be blessed!
Dear Ole Martin Gulbrandsen
You wrote:
What if it’s actually the Holy Spirit filling her, and manifesting through her? What if it’s all Him? What then? Many her has labelled it satanic. Repent! Let God judge.
My comment:
By this comment you are making the gift of discernment null and void. No need to test the spirits.
typo “due”
What really amazes me is that even though people watch Heidi fully possessed and experiencing Kriya Kundalini twitches, demonic laughs and those “woah!’s” they still think she is anointed by God. I mean it is right there in front of them that something is not right with this woman yet people are either completely blind to it or they themselves are under such strong delusion that they just see it as being normal.
Do people not question why she twitches and says “woah!” ?
Do people not question her bizarre childish tone and choice of words?
When she says something like “do you like holy spirit? I like holy spirit. holy spirit is my friend” do people not think to themselves that this woman might be either nuts or demon possessed.
Anyone in their right, sensible, in control mind would say this is just pure evil and walk out of those conferences, but they don’t. I just, do not, get it.
I mean it so plainly on the surface and out in the open with this woman. She doesn’t have to conceal anything. This wolf doesn’t need to wear her sheep outfit to deceive the people. She just appears as a wolf to them and people love her for it. They don’t seem to care that she is a wolf.
Why?!?!
Even some of the commenters on this site are defending this demon possessed woman, yet again it is so blatantly obvious that she is possessed and lying and deceiving the people.
Does the Bible not mention that false teachers and false christs will arise?
Does the Bible not mention that God will send strong delusion so that the people should believe a lie.
Does the Bible not say that many will say Lord, Lord, did we not teach in your name, did we not prophecy in your name, and the Lord will reply depart from me you workers of iniquity.
The bottom line is, people need to study the Bible for themselves and seek Wisdom and The Holy Spirit for guidance and understanding. Then teach your family, friends etc. Share what you’ve learned.
But please don’t rely on all these false, heretic teachers that have risen up in the world. More and more are rising up.
Have people forgotten we are living in end times and everything that the Word has warned us about is appearing right before our eyes? False teachers, false prophets, false christs they are everywhere. Everywhere!
Please open your eyes to what is in front of you and open your heart to the Lord. Seek Wisdom, seek the truth. Don’t be deceived.
Quote from Iris minsitries (Roland and Heidi’s site):
“But most of all we proclaim Jesus. He is our salvation, our prize, our reward, our inheritance, our destination, our motivation, our joy, wisdom and sanctification — and absolutely everything else we need, now and forever. All His grace and power flow to us through the Cross and no other way. We are glad to be known as social workers and humanitarians, and to have a reputation for doing good. But all is in vain if we do not bring to the people faith in our God and Savior Jesus Christ. We want to be known by His Name, first and foremost. And we do not expect fruitfulness to come out of anything but intimacy with Him …”
Dear Ole Martin Gulbrandsen
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You quoted the website of Heidi Baker:
“We are glad to be known as social workers and humanitarians, and to have a reputation for doing good. But all is in vain if we do not bring to the people faith in our God and Savior Jesus Christ”.
My reply:
I do not want to be to critical, but is there anything in your quote that could not have been the statement of faith of the Pope? There is a lot of social workers and humanitarians among us. And there are many who claim to bring people “faith in Jesus”.
I would like to know if Heidi Baker can say:
1. There is only One God, the God that took the Hebrews out of Egypt, the God of Israel.
2. The eternal God of Israel is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
3. There are copies of “Jesus” presented in our churches. There are unclen spirits presented to us as the Holy Spirit. And there are people who present to us a different gospel.
4. The Bible is the highest authority in all matters related to the Christian faith, and must be used to expose examples of pkt.3.
AFTER HAVING READ ALL THESE STATEMENTS… TO THOSE THAT FEEL HEIDI IS OF THE dEVIL… LET IT BE KNOWN ..THAT..for those that know the Lord and the Holy Word of God. We know that no one and no one of a false spirit will say that “Jesus is Lord” … and also that satan and a demon or demons will never admit that Jesus came in the flesh. A follower of satan and demon teachings will NEVER NEVER NEVER claim. that Jesus came in the flesh. PERIOD. no one that is a real christian will refute that. I have cast demons out and in speaking to the peoples.. when I ask them ..”did Jesus come in the flesh?” they will either beat around the bush or if I push them.. they will say a redundant “no!”.The demon will say no..and you can see the hatred in their eyes when they say it.. why? because they are of satan. for those that feel that Heidi is a follower of satan .. or should I say that say she is a follower of satan… to make her look bad and discredit Jesus and Holy Spirit… then I tell you that YOU are of satan and dressed in sheep’s clothing or influenced by demons and lack of knowledge. Someone said that they wondered if heidi would say that God took the children of israel out of egypt?.. well… for your information. that is the devil… trying to confuse.. the litmus test is whether someone will admit that Jesus came in the flesh… if you listen to her you tube video called “more of This less of This-heidi baker” … if you see this video ..you will see that she reads and DOES use scripture to preach and that she preaches from where Paul is writing about where Jesus-God.. emptied Himself of His Godliness to come to the earth and be one of use and saving us…( and thus came in the flesh) if Heidi was of satan.. she would never bring this scripture up….by reading this scripture…and that is what she means… therefore…IF SHE SAYS PREACHES FROM THIS SCRIPTURE AND SAYS HOW JESUS EMPTIED HIMSELF TO BECOME NOTHING FOR US…THEN ….SHE… IS …….NOT….. OF sATAN..AND SO ….THE …OTHERS THAT SAY THAT SHE HAS FALSE TEACHINGS… THEN THE ONES THAT SAY SHE HAS FALSE TEACHINGS…they must be the ones trying to discredit the work of God, (Father , Son & Holy Spirit) and THEY must be the evil one , the wolf dressed in sheep’s clothing. satan is the father of all lies..and his lies come with the use of scripture if need be..Remember, when satan temped Jesus after He fasted for 40days? the devil used scripture… yet Jesus rejected satan’s statements..although he used scripture..(THUS TEACHING US TO NEVER ACCEPT SCRIPTURE FROM sATAN) . satan can very astutely use his own name to criticize a servant of the Lord in order to scare people away from teachings that Exalt the HOLY Lamb of God.. Those that so astutely use scripture .. to discredit the work of God…you are using scripture and satan used scripture… . Furthermore.. Heidi mentions the baptism of Fire.. the baptism of Fire is from God and it is to burn away what God doesn’t want in us. When we give ourselves to the Lord. All in All.. We become more and more like Jesus on this earth and we work the works of God. If she were of demons or satan she would not mention the baptism of fire either… remember John said that Jesus would baptize us in the spirit AND in fire… Read THE Book..yes.. it says in “spirit AND fire” . satan does not want people to rise up as a Holy Army, to battle against the powers of darkness….but the army is rising. all over the world … we are putting on the armor of God. satanic strongholds will be broken. We are preparing ourselves for this spiritual battle that will intensify. Holy Spirit is being poured out on more and more people. the devil knows it and he is not happy about it. but to those that are reading, from the camp of satan. “copies” of satan… your time is shortened and soon you will be cast into the abyss. you will bow to the Holy Lamb of God before you are cast into the abyss. Repent, and be washed by the blood, follow the Holy Lamb of God and not satan or you will seal your doom. and to the power of satan. I rebuke you, in the Name of Jesus. and bind you by the Blood of the Holy Lamb.
Continued:::also, regarding the kundalini twitches that people are saying that Heidi has..that are “demonic” …Well…. as you all know. satan has an imitation of all things that are of God. What you see in Heidi… satan has seen in other Holy Spirit Christians… through out the ages…Heidi is not the only Christian and child of God..that has ever said “hey” and or says ” holy!” and satan knows this… if you see when she speaks of swimming like a fish..it was where God was revealing a message to her… How many things in the Bible would seem absurd… even a donkey talks in the bible.. would those that criticize Heidi say she had a demon if a donkey spoke to her ? Indeed they would..because they see one thing and twist it.. . when I was baptized in the spirit for the first time I jump and shook and the world would have said.. actually the church I was in said and…thought I was crazy.. but I saw a vision of the Holy Lamb of God.. and the interpretation after the tongues that the Lord gave me was… “all bow to the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world ! for He is our salvation and our redeemer !”… That was of God.. for satan would never exalt the Holy Lamb of God and tell people to Bow unto Him…for as it is written… a kingdom divided against itself can not stand…. furthermore. I know what I saw in ecstasy,,, and It was the Holy Lamb of God.. Glory ! ! Heidi is right, he is Glorious… and YOU TOO CAN SEE HIM.. He will reveal himself in some way to everyone that wants Him… We must come to God , to the Holy Father AS CHILDREN….without all this arrogance and pride. That is why we also read in romans and galatians where it is writen that the Spirit makes us to call out “Abba-Father” It is no coincidence that Jesus said come to the Holy Father as a child… Won’t you ..taste the Holy Bread of Life?… Taste the Holy Wine of His Blood… shed for our sins and for to usher in the new covenant… I think that some people don’t like the fact that Heidi talks in a very…”unique” way to us..and I figured it out.. she speaks as if she were speaking to children..and to the proud and learned…that is an insult..but repent… perhaps that is what the Holy Father wants her to speak.. for people to get the message. He wants us to finally come to Him as children… not as know it all grown ups. Think about it people.. Is that not what Jesus, our Lord said… Those that believe in Jesus and follow Him. must realized that as Paul said.. we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers.in high places……….so we must learn to discern the speach of satan and rebuke him when he enters our minds.. when the tempter comes.. dressed as a wolf..he deceives many. We can not give him a chance in our lives for he comes to kill and to destroy all that he can…and to do battle against the Holy Lamb of God in any way possible. peace and love of God to those that will receive it.
Very sad to read this thread. Many Christians making outrageous claims about Heidi Baker. The heart of a lot of the threads show nothing of Jesus. A thousand “persuasive words” come to nothing without Jesus. Prayerfully bring your concerns to the Lord, ask Him to show you the Truth. Your mind can & will be offended by the work of The Holy Spirit…. Allow the Holy Spirit to show you Truth. God’s Kingdom is breaking into planet earth & peoples hearts through Heidi & Rolland & many others… don’t be deceived otherwise or try work it out in your mind….pray & get on board, this world needs you in the battlefield not on a Christian website fighting your brothers.
This whole article is sad as are many of the comments. Jesus’ model of faith actually requires faith in Him to do more than we could EVER do on our own. If Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, then I am at loss about how the activity of the HS would be any different today then it was back in the day?
I spent time with the Baker’s ministry in Mozambique and saw nothing but love, joy, prayer, humility, Biblical teaching and training, hope offered and care for the least of these and yes, I saw a boatload of miracles.
I myself have seen miracles happen there, in other countries and here in the states. In fact, one of my friends was deaf and now she is not after I prayed for her in the name of Jesus. After God touched her ear, she allowed Him to touch her heart and receive Him. Miracles are normal for God and He is still in the business of doing them if we’ll just agree and seek His beautiful face. If we seek God in ways others won’t then we’ll see Him move in ways others don’t.
The Gospel is not just repent, but believe as well and when God reveals His love and power it spurs people on towards belief.
This stuff is not a circus or a sideshow, the miraculous occurs because Jesus in His deep and tremendous love for people is willing to woe them and wow them to get their attention and reveal His tender and precious heart to those He is pursuing.
I am sorry, but the real peril is not for the lovers and seekers like Heidi, et al, but those who grieve the Holy Spirit by their hatred, dissension and unbelief.
I believe Heidi and scores of others see God move in tremendous ways that often many other miss because of their deep commitment to prayer (love of Jesus) and their loving boldness to reach the lost and walk by faith and not by sight.
And as for the writers of this website and Andrea. You both seem to have a very harsh, critical, unloving and arrogant approach- this is a blight to the family of faith everywhere. “If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.” Galatians 5:15
Dear Ryan S.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I do not dispute that Jesus perform miracles. I do not dispute that Jesus is active today, and that all powers in Heaven and Earth is with Him.
There is one common misunderstanding in the Word of Faith camp I would like to adress. People correctly quote an important scripture: “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever”. But they apply this scripture to include that Jesus is doing the same yesterday, today and forver. To do this is not correct.
Jesus has finished most of His work, all that His Father called Him to do.
Most of the prophecies are today fulfilled.
At the end of the age, He will surely save less people than in the first century. We are at the age of the great falling away and decpeption. Too many people have walked into deceptions, and embraced a false Messiah.
We must be on our guard, and listen to people who have the gift of dicsenment. We must refuse to accept New Age versions of “Jesus”, and other copycats.
Like the “Jesus” of Heidi Baker, who let her anoint people with the Kundalini Spirit. A woman who talk about “wird fish” who will mess up our Churches, and so on. Heidi Baker also accept Roman Catholics as Christians, and when she pray, she call on “baba’s” and “Sheik’s”. Just listen to her false prayers in tongues.
Since I know people that know her personally i can assure you she is a believer in Jesus. Assuming kundalini can be dangerous here.
Do you guys always dismiss people just because you don’t understand them, or just sweet ladies who (with her husband) has planted more than 7,000 “bush churches,” five Bible schools and four children’s feeding centers in the middle of nowhere Africa?
It is easier to dismiss things that you don’t understand than to try to understand them…..that is also what the pharisees did too.
When you have accomplished that much for the kingdom of God, then I’d say you have a platform to give your opinion on a person with so much positive fruit.
Until then, you may want to use your energy toward things that actually make an eternal positive difference.
The writter of this article Is Guilty of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. He is walking on very Dangerous Ground! This author should go to the Mozimbique Dump where Heidi ministers to the poor. They would begin to sing a Different Tune! This person is very Deceived. Research the Facts!
Dear Bom Hamilton.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Your comment:
The writter of this article Is Guilty of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
My comment:
The Holy Spirit is not personified and manifested in the person of Heidi Baker. What you wrote is pure non sense. There are thousands of Christians who works in slums around the globe, who do not speak about “gods” in plural, and do not praise Baba’s and Sheiks. Like we see Heidi Baker do. Are you blind? Are you not able to hear what she says?
Ivar. You are off here. Heidi is not saying gods plural. She has a lisp pronunciation with the letter d. I’ve listened to all the clips.
Dear sueliz2
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Welcome back. I respect your view. By the 200 comments made on this story, I can see it is a hot issue. I will hold on to my view that the so-called Toronto revival is a counterfaith revival, and what we see is an outporing of the unclean kundalini spirit.
There are many who claim to know Jesus, and many use his name.
This movement is filled with the wrong spirit, that makes them returning back home to Rome. That is why we see several of the key leaders embracing the papacy as a seat of a Christian leader. It is a fatal error, that leads you into all kinds of deception. They all work for a new apostolic reformation, to pave the way for the Pontifex Maximus.
I agree that discernment is imperative. EVERYTHING must be tested. But I am convicted to hold my tongue and wait on the Lord. His ways are not our ways. I do not want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. We must be careful in what we call out publicly in that we can be ruining someone’s good name. I understand your position and know you are a watchman on the wall. Still I am finding the need to be careful. Blessings.
Dear Sueliz2
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
I do not want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
My comment:
Well, by accepting the Papacy you do blaspheme against the Holy Spirit. Heidi Baker is just one of many. It seems like large parts of the Charismatic Pentecostal movement are on their way back to Rome. Deceived by a leaders who introduced false spirits in the Church, presented them as the Holy Spirit. Do not join this movement of evils in the name of “Christ:.
“Not my will but yours be done” seeking the Will of the father for him & the clear reply was – The Cross. This is but relaying the suffering of the Father Himself through His Son unto the Biblical words “God is long suffering. Now the suffering itself comes out of His Love unto the words “God so loved the world- That he gave his only begotten son, so that whoso ever might believe in him(Accept that Love) may have Eternal Life, resulting in the words “Pick up your crosses & follow me” to equate with his suffering unto the Father. But then this wholesome truth to salvation has become a rock of offense to many even to pleasing & itching ears unto the likes of the Heidi Bakers, to floating the Apostasy unto the falling away from the truth.
For, Sin cannot withstand sufferings.
THAT EXPLAIN’S IT ABEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK’S
I want to add be careful to not pull out the wheat among tares.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+13%3A24-30&version=NKJV
Hi Ivar, please do define you’re liberal views on womans role in the church and also what church,
Hi Ed,women are no more easily decieved than men look at the scripture’s on Adam/Eve as to why woman is admonished and made to suffer that said had satan tempted Adam first would things be different and in the times of the first scriptures being written was it not a patriarchal society meaning the rule and law in the land was goven by man only
Possibly, You may be right, if Adam was tempted first maybe he would have been deceived. So the only reason women are not allowed to teach is because the Man was made first. Perhaps not so much as an insult, but as a requirement to hold a certain place which was given to them. Such as mankind being made in “their” image. Men and women being a similitude of God the father and Christ. Christ does the will of the head, God the father, and holds his place not trying to rise above the head and be in rebellion.
No, Adam could not have been tempted ’cause he had a direct command from God & satan dare not challenge him, for had he tried it would have been satan’s doomsday then & there. . Since the Bible says that Adam was not found in the transgression but the woman, it does suggest that he took the fruit for the sake of Eve & did eat of it, failing in his duty to keep her from it & widely reflected today to man failing in their God given responsibilities.
“It was the woman that was found in the transgression & not Adam” for that temptation in the garden was spiritual which is to say that satan ever since has some sort of Spiritual hold on women , so how ever well she means satan turns it into his advantage, the deceiver he is & it is for this reason that the Bible says that that women shall not preach nor unsurp authority, ‘Unsurping” is a prerogative of the devil. Since the woman listened to the serpent unto the desire , God put in two wedges for her sake namely 1)Put her desire unto her man, out of whom she was created, so that she goes not the way of satan & be lost forever 2) further put an Enmity between the serpent & the woman by their respective seed, a spiritual, even unto the cause of salvation.
As the manifestation of seed of the Woman came the Lamb & her remnant seed are them mentioned in revelations as the first fruits of the lamb, the saints(Rom 8:19 – the sons of God) mentioned in Rev. as not defiled with women by the sexual corruptions unto its core-Sodom. On the other hand the manifestation of the seed of the serpent is come the organization of Freemasory governed by the Theosophy- the Biblical false Prophet, even unto Zech 5 the Flying scroll & the wickedness in an Ephah(which breaks over her measures as is evident today). Incidentally Feminism is a tool of the serpent as his part , denotes the Biblical words “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft”, In short the kingdoms of this world that sit against the Kingdom of God by His Christ. .
There’s a bit of controversy there. The Man ate second but sin entered the world through him…perhaps because he wasn’t deceived it was inexcusable whereas Eve being deceived did not know what she was doing.
1 Tim. 2:14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned–
1 cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
Since the man is the head of the woman, the responsibility is his. Sin entered the world through one man includes the woman, for out of the man was she created. The Breath of God was to him & no separate breath given to the woman as she was already in him, unto the generations. “What God has joined together let no man but asunder” for whenever he looks at man it very much includes his help mate-the woman, He sees as one, for by the Origin it was so.
Could be. God faults Adam for listening to his wife. Genesis 3:17
And to Adam he said, Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, You shall not eat of it: cursed is the ground for your sake; in sorrow shall you eat of it all the days of your life;
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Could be. God faults Adam for listening to his wife. Genesis 3:17
My reply:
If Adam is presumed to be innovent, Adam must claim that he did no hear the instruction given by God. And that his punishment therefore is a part of an unjust “god’s” wrongful actions. I do not agree. Adam’s claim of being victimised by his wife, is rejected by a just God. He gives Adam what he deserves. He was kicked out of the garden, to slog it out. The Earth was cursed because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Both.
The question arises as why did God plant the tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil & then say not to eat of its fruit. The reason is- His will was what He commanded. For had they resisted the devil , by keeping His commandment, they would have developed what is called the “Power of Resistance” , which would have led them to the fruit of the Tree of Life & through it get the knowledge of Good & Evil without INDULGING in it. The proof is in the Angels of God who are Prophesied in the last days to separate the wheat from the chaff , they who have not indulged in the fruit of good & evil but are from the Tree of life, are clearly able to distinguish the good from the evil except that man through his indulgence by the fruit, today calls good as evil & evil as good, in confusions. Gnosticism, as in freemasonry, contradicts the simplicity of the mind of Christ.
Dear Abey
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Gnosticism, as in freemasonry, contradicts the simplicity of the mind of Christ.
My reply:
If you ask an average Christian leader to explain gnostisism, he will try to talk about something else. Probably he is a gnostic him self, not knowing that he is preaching a false Christ.
As mentioned, regarding the simplicity of the mind of Christ “His will was what He commanded” but the Gnostic thought becomes twisted to believe that God really wanted them to take the fruit of the forbidden tree since it was He who planted it. That twister was the devil, to say putting in a Gnostic thought. It is the difference between Intellectualism & the Spirit more so when it comes to Spiritual matters, as it is said ” things of the spirit you know not” In other words ‘Gnosis” or secret knowledge comes off the interpretation of the mind unto its corruptions & not off the Spirit which is to the truth.
An example of Gnosticism is the Da vinci unto his painting misrepresenting the Christ, by trying to pierce the sanctuary of holy mind of Christ, which search gets deflected going back to the origin of its corruptions, to reflecting instead the mind of satan, all the while thinking it to be off Christ, resulting in the pseudo or as Biblically called another christ, even another gospel.
Thus Freemasonry by theosophy twists the truth to believing the Ark was made for the temple & not the temple for the Ark, to saying god is made for man & not man for god which is but making man as god, is what the Prophecy of Daniel states “The Abomination of Desolation” come off that Gnostic thought.
Satan holds no bondage of me man does of mans will Adam sinned knowing he was going against GODS WILL he was equal of guilt and should have been in judgement
Does it not say GOD gives us free will did the sin in ignorance or innocents be done and if so where is the mercy from god to his own creation
Do we not disobey as children to our father without understanding of the consequence to come but through that mistake we gain understanding of our error why then so harsh a penalty for mankind we are taught of gods mercy for our ignorance,forgive them father for they know not what the do yes mans ignorance even allowed JESUS to be crucified for mans sin to bring redemption and to forgive all sins of man so why then are woman only held to account,it was mankind in all its forms that has sinned in all its ways not just Adam/Eve having sex or to put it in biblical terms partake of the tree of knowledge
I think the gist of it is if we never broke a rule how would Gods mercy ever be manifested for people to see? How would we know and understand Gods nature of being merciful if God was never given a situation to be merciful?
Romans 6:1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
PS i know this is may offend its not my intent but i think that its a logical question on sin of woman
Anyone who knows Jesus and the Holy Spirit personally would never endorse this vile, demonic woman and those she associates with. This is NOT Christianity. This is a sick cult.
I don’t care if Heidi Baker has gone to Mozambique or if she goes to the North Pole, she is spreading counterfeit Christianity (Satan’s version) based on lies, wailing, demonic impartations, and Kundilini. Her behavior is as dark and ugly as the lies coming out of the Roman Catholic church or any other cult.
If anyone attempts to justify what spirit is inside Heidi Baker by saying that good things are happening in Mozambique I say to you, IT IS IN SPITE OF HER, NOT BECAUSE OF HER!
The Bible tells us that the wicked “seem” to prosper from the world’s point of view, but their minds are dark and twisted.
What foolish man looks on evil and says,”oh, but look, they increase in riches so it must be good.”
The Lord Our God says, “For wicked men are found among My people. They watch like fowlers lying in wait. They set a trap. They catch men like a cage full of birds, so their houses are full of deceit. Therefore they have become great and rich. They are fat, they are sleek. They excel in deeds of wickedness” (Jer. 5).
Jesus WARNED about false prophets and teachers. What is even more frightening than Heidi herself are so-called Christians who can not discern a wicked agent of Satan.
Jesus cried out, “WHEN I RETURN WILL I FIND TRUE FAITH ON THE EARTH?” He told us in advance that it was going to get so bad on the earth that when He returns there will be but a remnant that have not fallen into deception.
“For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools” (Rom. 1:21-23).
What Heidi Baker and her ilk actually do is commit psychological, emotional, and spiritual abuse. This happens when a person subjects others to psychological manipulation and harms them by presenting teachings and doctrines that are evil. You see how Heidi Baker prays on young children who are emotionally vunerable. She imparts witchcraft and mind control on her subjects, case in point the young boy in the video below. She holds a Bible in her hand as a prop but rarely if ever reads from it. Instead she chants unbiblical words over and over that make no sense such as, “THE FISH ARE COMING” or in the video below she chants, “legacy, legacy, legacy, legacy” over and over again in the most disgusting mind-control way. She scams her prey at Bethel Church in Redding, California run by the kingpin of demons, Bill Johnson. But if you were to ask Heidi, she denies being part of the NAR crowd to include Todd Bentley.
If this doesn’t make people have RED FLAGS — they are apostates!
I am amazed at the number of so-called Christians who are falling away by the millions, who have succumbed to the lies of the devil, hook, line and sinker, Chrislam, the pope, Rick Warren, Heidi Baker and all other lying compromises.
“But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols (Rev. 2:20).”
Do you have them on speed dial?
Well many of you have decided to be her judge and jury and then judge anyone who has given grace. That can be a dangerous position. and it’s way out of line to call people who don’t point the finger apostates.
1 cor 6:2 “Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?”
James 3:1 Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.
Her putting herself in a position of a teacher is all the more reason…
Sueliz2,
Are you the same person who came out of Catholicism? It’s unimaginable that if you are, you have gone from the frying pan into the fire.
Have you watched the video above especially from 4:55 to the end where this obviously demon possessed boy squirms all over the floor after Heidi Baker imparts a demonic curse onto him? This is the manifestation of Kundalini, meaning “coiled up snake.”
Your comment makes it clear you know nothing about what the Bible says regarding judging false, lying and demonic teachers/spirits. One would have to be totally and completely spiritually blind and physically blind to watch this video and not be able to discern that this is not from the Lord. This is not defendable in any way, shape or form.
The problem here is your inability to “point a finger” as you put it, and judge evil. You call what is evil “good” in the name of political correctness and fear of “judging”. Because of this, you have just condemned yourself.
I will continue to judge this false prophet peddling witchcraft that does not come from the Lord and will continue to shout it from the rooftops as my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ tells me to.
We are admonished NOT TO LISTEN TO DEMONS. We are admonished to EXPOSE THEM. We are admonished to REBUKE THEM. We are NOT called to fear judgment by “pointing a finger.”
THUS SAYS THE LORD!:
“The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAY THAT I DID NOT SEND THEM, order them, or speak to them. They are prophesying false visions to you, worthless divinations, the delusions of their own minds” (Jer.14: 14).
“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths” (2 Timothy 4:3-4).
“Those who sin, before all rebuke that the rest of the people may fear” (1 Timothy 5:20).
“Therefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith” (Titus 1:13).
“Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them: (Ephesians 5:11-13).
I just watched this again. You also need to keep in mind that immature Christians looking for “experience” act out from pure emotionalism and immaturity. There are many messed up people that are looking for supernatural and are acting out on the flesh. I’ve seen this myself. It’s not necessarily demonic in nature. He may be looking for attention ect.
Please delete the above post and keep the copy of it at the end of comment section. It was not meant as a reply to the above comments. Thank you!
I believe that many of us come to GOD in our own time in our own way,whilst in some,s opinion on her,HB that she works in league with THE DEVIL,i think you are wrong.If we look at what Satan ;s goal is ,It is not to incite in one to do charitable act,s or call on JESUS
If Satan masquerades as an angel of light and the charitable acts are part of the masquerade it’s still the devil. See how she wants to be equal with Christ, claiming the the Holy Spirit descended on her straight from heaven? Jesus had John the Baptist to witness that, it was his annointing as the chosen one of God.
2 cor 11:12 – 15 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Wow Jonah. A little harsh don’t you think?
Yes I came out of Catholicism. Do you know for sure its kundalini? No you don’t.
People say speaking in tongues is demonic. I’ve heard famous preachers say anyone with spiritual gifts/charismatic are going to hell. We need to be careful of these statements. May I suggest using a language seasoned with love instead of vinegar? Perhaps we need to look at our own sins and all that has been forgiven of us and have an attitude of mercy. Did you know Jesus can save people even in the midst of Catholicism because He has chosen His sheep. They follow His voice. I have never heard Heidi side with Catholicism although she may team up with ministries that feed the poor.
I am well aware what is going on with evangelicals and Catholicism and wrote about it for 3 years. I have found honey draws more flies.
Dear sueliz2
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
We who have Roman Catholic spouses and family, can easily fall into an emotional view on salvation. How we desire to see our closest family members being saved, despite they continue to serve an antichrist and a religious movement of evil.
As long as you serve a Popist “father” you mock the gospel and the true Messiah.
You claim that many of the Roman Catholics are ignorant. Yes many are. But the reason for this, is that they do not acknowledge that they have been cursed by their partents from childhood. Soaked into this religious system. People do need the power of the Holy Spirit to resist this movement, that will persecute you and excommunicate you if you abide in the truth.
Heidi Baker is a part of the Toronto Revival movement. They also are involved in soaking. The impartation of a false Holy Spirit. That is why you see all kind of bizzare manifestations in their midts. During ther so-called “Lakeland revival” we saw a global outporting of pure stupidity presented as the move of the Holy Spirit.
Like in Rome, there is a “Christ” in their midts. But the false Holy Spirit makes them sumbmit to a false “Jesus”, that leads them astray: And eventually back to Rome.
Jonah ,may i ask your age your life experiences,have you only studied the bible,how much of man and mind do you understand, have you ever heard the expression i am drunk in the spirit,meaning if one is in a state of elation one is at one with GOD,In the bible it happened when the HOLY SPIRIT entered the people at penticost even paul spoke of it 1COR 12 13 Mark16;17 warning they may think you drunk or madmen,most are still out on that one
Dear ROMMGIRL
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
The Charismatic Pentecostal consept of being “drunk in the spirit” is an abomination. It is totally counterproductive, and make sane and decent people take a stand against Jesus.
Please read about the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Among a lot of peaceful acts, self-control and gentleness.
The Charismatic kind of lack of self-control and insane acts of animal noises, etc, also called “drunkeness”, can only be defended when you are willing to twist the scripture.
On the day of Pentecost, people mocked the Christians by claming they were drunk. They were not. The spoke sense, and shared the gospel with 3.000 people gathered, all who did not mock them but listened to the message about sin and repentance. The message was plain, and cut people in the heart. No one behaved like an idiot, or acted like an animal.
Acts 2:15
These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
you know my stance on penti,s or carras but it is there way,Ido not have to follow there believe nor do you,where have you been Ivar,ithought you didnt wish to reply to me
Dear ROMMGIRL
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
There are several thousand people visiting this blog everyday. I can not participate in all the debates. I am not so keen on debating peoples opinions. There are so many of them. I am always willing to debate the true meaning of scriptures, and how to best implement them in our lifes. The Word of God shall reign in my life. Where I am wrong, I shall repent and continue to live in submission.
Sorry ivar,i did’nt mean you personally i mean’t the blog in general,must have been my LTop not letting me access your site
Heidi Baker does not follow the doctrines of Jesus Christ. She states in this video that she got her doctrine of the kingdom from the poor and from little children, not from the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus says, “Take My yoke upon you and LEARN FROM ME, for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” (Matt 11:29-30)
Heidi Baker does not preach repentance and the baptism for the remission of sins, the foundational doctrine of Jesus Christ for entrance into the kingdom and eternal life. She does say that she got in a bathtub once and calls it a baptism. She preaches conversion to Jesus and following the poor and immature as teachers.
Believers today should be baptized in Father’s Holy Spirit and pray in tongues by the inspiration of Father’s Holy Spirit, as Jesus taught: “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)” (John 7:39-40).
The supernatural workings of Father’s Holy Spirit to heal, deliver, cleanse, raise, help, comfort, guide, etc. are available to His people today. But this woman is not preaching the doctrines of Jesus Christ.
This website is not nice. I would ask for your discerment to come from the Holy Spirit not the judgment of others.
Let the blind lead the blind and both will fall into the ditch…My sheep hear My voice and follow Me – (We’re to be led of the Spirit, not the opinions of men). Why do people worry so much about what someone else is doing? Paul said kingdom of God is not in word but in power, that God confirms His word with signs following, that the natural man recieves not the things of the spirit – they are foolishness to him neither can he know them they are spiritually deserved. Jesus said if I don’t do the works believe me not, He also said these signs shall follow them that believe in My name they shall cast out devils,speak in unknown tongues,lay they’re hands on the sick and they shall recover. Based on this diffinition can you say that your a believer? I’m pretty sure of this – that Hiedi is not concerned in the least at what people say, but that she is occupied with loving Jesus and others through Him, being about the Fathers buisness.
People got offended at Jesus when He said unless you eat My flesh and drink My blood, you have no life in you. The problem with so many people is they judge after they’re natural reasoning. Having ears they hear not and eyes they see not. You have to be born of the Spirit to understand the things of the Spirit. Those who are born of the Spirit know what’s of God and what’s not. All of men’s opinion mean absolutely nothing. Look at the Pharisees they studied the word yet when Jesus came they called Him a devil. Now after the day of Pentecost and the giving of the Holy Spirit it’s still the same,the Holy Spirit moves and touches people and because of human reasoning people say it’s demonic. – I would hate to call something of God demonic,-Jesus did warn about the grave danger of blaspheming the Holy Ghost in so doing.
When I grow up I want to be like Heidi Baker! This blog post is untrue… then again Jesus was accused of having demons. So Heidi walks the same rope. Be careful not to be too religious that you bash God’s beautiful children.
I agree. It’s only a deception.
“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
2 Corinthians 11:14
Seriously….seriously? What an awesome woman of God doing amazing things & your cutting her down. Jesus says judge a man by their fruits… She’s got a ton of them!!!
Heidi Baker is rich in love she herself out there demonstrating the Love of the father she is deep instead of writing about her to “raise awareness” go to her meeting go love her, yes your called too there is measures of love and many are christain but dont have a clue about being a follower of Christ this woman isnt religious I pray holy spirit will show up in your midst he will show you how u judge one and judgement is poores on you,
So do you have any demons? What about slander thats what your doing Doesnt God hate that yes but he forgave you and he forgave her the cross tore open the vail to a reality of heaven now read John 17 ask God to test your heart in this, this woman has been through much persecution and she counts it joy ! Religion pales in comparison to knowing Jesus Religion hearts are far from God, wheres yours? Yea u will have to answer to him on that one, Its not about her ministry at all , its closeness with Jesus and I pray u too will be very close to him and you will have your eyes opened serve Heidi , dont profess any religion. You may not understand because you yourself has not seen the kingdom Get Hungry you profess you know and understand but go serve her and u will understand love , atheists cannot love to Glorify a God they dont believe so that leaves love to man but God calls a higher standard love him with everything And then he will tell you where to go and not to fear persecution but it will come to those who believe and it says mt 5 blessed are those who persecute you for theres is the kingdom, she must have the kingdom you can learn alot from her
A few years ago Heidi Baker visited my friend’s church and I was invited to go. I was looking forward to a night of worship, testimony and healing. For the record, I do believe all the gifts of the Spirit are for today and that God still works thru Christians to heal, raise the dead, etc.
(John 14:12 “Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.”
Mark 16:17-18 “17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”)
The worship band that accompanied her was like nothing I’d ever heard before. They were acting goofy and playing silly songs like it was a jamboree. They were not worshipful at all and I began to feel a bit sick to my stomach. A lot of parent visitors from my children’s Christian school had come with similar hopes as me and as I looked around I felt a deep sadness. It wasn’t indignation, but deep grief. It felt like the Holy Spirit was very grieved at what was going on despite the fact that many sincere Christians were trying to make the best of it and worship somehow!
Then when Heidi finally took the stage, she acted so bizarre. Her stories didn’t make sense and I got so uncomfortable. What she was expressing was not at all from the Lord. I am totally open to “strange” experiences if they’re of the Lord, but as hard as I tried, I just couldn’t see anything of the Lord in how or what she talked about. She actually almost seemed like she was on drugs or a mental patient.
To this day, I don’t know how to reconcile this with the wonderful testimonies I hear about her! I can only give you my experience with her. I just don’t know how a person truly filled by the Holy Spirit could talk and act the way she did, or endorse the silly non-worship we did and praise it as wonderful worship.
Now to the truth of a visionary in the Spirit is accosted by the Army of God led by Peter himself filled in the Spirit called the latter rain(to the Dual understanding of Joel’s prophecy) is asked ‘Where from? , the reply – India , the question- Hindu? the reply – Christian, again the question HINDU-CHRISTIAN , the reply after some hesitation- Christian to which Peter pulls a gun behind his head to which the visionary thinking that his end has come without any compromises calls out Jesus, Jesus as his last words, but the shot never came but the command “Give him food” St. Peter faithful to his Masters command “Feed by sheep “(This is also to the Prophecy of St. Malachi regarding the last Pope (Petrus Romanas) who will tend to the flock – The Church that moves in the spirit, not to be confused with the destroyer pastor to the Prophecy of St. Francis of Assisi) . That was the test for the First Commandment- Love thy God, before which was tested for the second Commandment – Love thy Brethren also to the point of death in the same vision but in a different time frame such that while being tested for the First, the second was not in remembrance, even unto the coming of Christ to the hope in Rom; 8:19 – Creature waits in earnest expectation for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Now the word Hindu-Christian is incompatible with Christianity ’cause the basis of hinduism is revealed as “Evolution”. which belief but denies in the existence of god in the Spirit( for the spirit does not lie, irrespective of what may be in ones mind or what one may profess by the mouth,) to make man as god’s (Remember Eden to THE LIE).
Now the Prophecy of Daniel says of “A strange god- a god of forces”.. To know that Obama carries a no of this as luck charms , a Hindu mythological ancestral monkey warrior god denoting an Evolutionary belief – man came from the monkeys, so do the many alters figured in the British Freemasonic Israeli supreme court- the gods of evolution. Recently there was projected an image of the hindu demoness Kali on to a building in New York by her priests the same ones that killed Apostle Thomas, this but denotes goddess worship as Evolution that stands against God & His Truth,, hence incompatible with Christianity just as is Freemasonry hidden in the same belief. Do Heidi bakers as a part of NAR reveal any of this through their indulgences like the Bentleys by hindu like channelings.
If you love me feed my sheep said Jesus unto Peter. My sheep know my Voiice , no body can pluck them from me’. The food that Peter feeds is the said Voice, the’ Two Commandments ‘ upon which hang all the OT Law & Prophets. Is but to beware of the commanments of men in the likes of Nohaid laws fo additional burdens contrary to His words ‘My yoke is easy & my burden light’.
I have never known the devil or an unclean spirit to cause thousands of people to sprint to the alter of God, confess their sins and give their lives to Jesus.
Why are we leaving it up to Ivar Fjeld to do the work of the Holy Spirit???
The word tells us that man will deceive but the Holy Spirit ; which will be our guide and give us true decernment, is our safe guard!!!
The Scripture does not say that Ivar Fjeld will be our guide.
The fruit of Ivar Fjeld is clearly divisive. Let the Holy Spirit do his work and this website will hopefully no longer be in operation.
This is not the heart of God!!
Let Ivar worry about who he is serving….!!
I believe we all know where such deep rooted devisiveness comes from. God gave us the Holy Spirit so that there would be NO NEED for websites like this!!
Well, then I guess you could say this kind of spirit started with Paul/Saul, who was struck blind. I’m no fan of Heidi and her roots in the Toronto Blessing are completely suspicious, but you gotta admit that God doesn’t always work the way we think he would
The half naked woman (know why feminists go about likewise in their rebellious radicalism) atop the US Capitol Building with a helmet of 12 stars under the ” Bird’s Foot”, is all that is against the Glorious Woman of revelations with her Crown of 12 stars. Have people like Heidi Bakers been able to differenciate between the two.
This woman denote the various alters figured in the freemasonic Israeli Supreme court – The Vishnu – transformed into a female- reveals the origin of Sodom itself.
The seat of the Beast with its two houses of Congress one to VIOLENCE & thuggery through wars & the other through Social & Sexual corruption unto SODOM which but reveals the Prophecy of the days of Noe & Lot in the same corruptions of Violence & Sodom that caused their respective destructions
“Intimidation & Seductions” are its ways, become unto the Prophesied “Sorcery” that deceives the whole world
Except that the she is an it a transgendered one , denoting the many alters figured in the freemasonic israeli supreme court to the hindu ‘Vishnu’ Lo Egypt. The egypt from which came out a people but egypt not come out of them. The same egypt that killed Christ. Unto the prophecy of what is spiritually ‘ Sodom & Egypt’ in its beliefs
Any wonder as to why its present Pharaoh is so obscessed with transgenderism, through its toilets.
I watched only 1:17 of the video and turned it off. The Holy Spirit does not cause one to fall and roll about. The Holy Spirit also does not stop you from speaking in your native tongue. You must yield to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit will never take away your free will that was given to you. She said she was unable to speak English once she started speaking in tongues. I do not dispute speaking in tongues as this is a gift of the Holy Spirit, but the Holy Spirit gives you the utterance and YOU do the speaking. So if she was unable to stop then it was not of the Holy Spirit. I do not need to know any further than this.
Who are you to Judge? Better to still the tongue. There is only one Judge Jesus Christ
Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
I can’t quote the Word of God, where they are written, but, the Holy Spirit reminds us what is the right Word in the right time. The evil just say the Word what is the basic of the deception. Many believes everything because it is written. But we have Holy Spirit.
So I have some verses in my mind like these:
“Isn’t there anybody among you who can discern….?”
“The spiritual man can judge everything, but he is not judged by anyone” Again Something, not someone!!!
“…Did not we do great things in your name..?.” – They are all christians!!! Healing is not a fruit, not even growing limbs or rise form death! Even the world can do it!!
“My sheep hear my voice” – so don’t worry! Why do you want to convince the goats when they have never recognised His voice? If He can’t do it, how can you?
“Leave those blind leaders!” – what is your business with them? Don’t waste the time what is His time now!
“Who speaks up by himself is seeking his own glory, but who does for the One who spent him is right and there is no falseness in him.” So two people can say the same thing. But not in the right time and same reason. The clue is here.
“Who can abstain his speech is a perfect person.” – So strive to do so! Don’t get involved in these disputes!
“Let them grow til the harvest!”
Deception is deception because it is almost like the truth. The difference is great but not in the sight of goats, because they have never understood it and they will never do it! May be our attention on God.
“Where the dead body is, the vulture will gather.”
Just keep praying and He will show you great things. As you become clearer or more devotional, you will be able to see the difference. I have a common pray: Let me see everyone with your eyes! I want it!
I can’t quote the Word of God, where they are written, but, the Holy Spirit reminds us what is the right Word in the right time. The evil just say the Word what is the basic of the deception. Many believes everything because it is written. But we have Holy Spirit.
So I have some verses in my mind like these:
“Isn’t there anybody among you who can discern….?”
“The spiritual man can judge everything, but he is not judged by anyone” Again Something, not someone!!!
“…Did not we do great things in your name..?.” – They are all christians!!! Healing is not a fruit, not even growing limbs or rise form death! Even the world can do it!!
“My sheep hear my voice” – so don’t worry! Why do you want to convince the goats when they have never recognised His voice? If He can’t do it, how can you?
“Leave those blind leaders!” – what is your business with them? Don’t waste the time what is His time now!
“Who speaks up by himself is seeking his own glory, but who does for the One who spent him is right and there is no falseness in him.” So two people can say the same thing. But not in the right time and same reason. The clue is here.
“Who can abstain his speech is a perfect person.” – So strive to do so! Don’t get involved in these disputes!
“Let them grow til the harvest!”
Deception is deception because it is almost like the truth. The difference is great but not in the sight of goats, because they have never understood
Matthew 9v34 The pharisees accused Jesus of being the prince of demons because he could cast out demons. Matthew 10v 8 Jesus commands the following to his disciples, Heal the sick, RAISE the dead,cure those with leprosy and cast out demons, Give as freely as you have received. JOHN 14V12 I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, ANYONE who believes in me will do the same works I have done and even greater works. Explain to me why we will not believe in miracles and healings today? God comanded this to his disciples and he command us to make disciples off all nations. May his name be glorified all over the world because of miraculous signs and wonders performed in his name! Jesus!
The people in the comment sections twisting the scripture and desperately judging and nit picking at Heidi everything she does trying to condemn her. Do you realize how similar you sound to Pharisees?
God preached love didn’t he?
I disagree with you John. Jesus tells us several times to test the spirit. And that there are many false prophets in this sinful world. It is our job as a believer in Christ, to do what the Lord states to us.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Matthew 24:24 For false Christ’s and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
Who here has the moral authority to criticize this woman? A woman who has fed thousands of children, has given love to those children, has restored their faith in God and life.
Ye shall know them by their fruit! Jesus could not do many Works in his own hometown because of faithless people who judged his cause wrongly….He spat on the ground, made mud, threw it on blind eyes that got healed, he called a dead, rotting corpse out of the grave, he silenced storms, healed the sick, ….he told believers to do likewise, including raising the dead! Above all…he said …let the little children come…he fed thousands of hungry people…and then said greater works than these shall YOU do..
Anyone who does this for the Kingdom of God is not against but for Jesus…representing and imitating all he did!
SHAME on JEALOUS Christians, MISGUIDED in their true reason and PURPOSE for being on earth, judging IMITATORS of Christ…HERETIC hunters with NO supernatural power operating through them because the “LETTER” of the law has INVADED their minds with DEATH and CRITICISM, instead of LIFE, LOVE and participation in kingdom business. ..REFUSING to pay the price of long daily hours of prayer and intimacy with God, as these great men and women have done…with POWERFUL results. Instead, they spend long hours with many of MEN’S BOOK and theologians, TRADITIONS of men, LONG ROBE pharisees, proud… waiting to jump on anyone who has laid their lives low, appearing foolish to men like Jesus!!
How earth would change dramatically if we all acted like Christ.. Religion and false religions founded on a sinful man would die off! !(which many are…so just follow the man-source of your religion…if it interrupts a line that only begins with CHRIST, it IS FALSE..GET OUT!!)
Read the book (bible) with your heart..not with your head!!
O yes! Amen
your of the devil ivar
I am Maria, the one who wrote here in December 2013 about my experience with Heidi Baker and Ronald Bake.
Actually it was at the airport Church n Toronto.
Now that I am retired and living in Central America, I was pleasant surprised to find my comments here and all I have to say is that I still feel the same way.
That woman may be on the floor but she makes herself to big by exalting her sacrifices, her work, her love for God like if she loves Him more than everybody else.
For what I see here she still has many followers and many fans.
One of them even said here in one of the comments that that woman is saturated in the Holy Spirit and that when she is speaking she likes to say a word in tongues once in a while because she doesn’t want NOT TO BE in communion with Jesus all the time.
When Jesus preached the sermon of the mountain or in the synagogues did He ever stopped to say a few words in tongues because He didn’t want NOT TO BE in communion with the Father all the time?
Has anyone been as close to the Father as Jesus?
I just heard in my spirit: My people perish for lack of knowledge.
To those who are so impressed by the many orphans she feeds, listen: doesn’t she get billions of dollars sent by different churches to feed the poor?
For those who say: if they would be removed Today would you (meaning us here) go to Mozambique and replace them?
No, we wouldn’t UNLESS God would send us.
The person who mentioned that this woman (I don’t even like to mention her name) is saturated in the Holy spirit also said that it is in such a way that some of us can only dream.
Wow!-What a statement!
Who are you to know what each of us have?
That is nothing but idolatry!-This reminds me when a woman who went to a conference in Toronto felt very troubled when she realized how people were in awe of Heidi Baker because she knew that it wasn’t of God that we as Christians get so impressed by another human being. Then the Lord spoke to her and said: They idolize her a lot.
However some of you who are so impressed with her will never accept that the Lord could say something like that.
To me the Lord said many years ago that it was the spirit of exhibitionism.
She likes to display how much she loves Jesus, how much God loves her, how much she does for God, how much she suffers, how many churches she planted, how much this…how much that…and Shame on you who are in awe of her instead of being in awe of Jesus alone!
Greetings in the name of Christ!
Does anyone know whether the miracles the Bakers write about in their book “There is Always Enough” or in other places are true?
I know the Bible speaks of lying signs, but for me if someone does not teach obvious heresy but proclaims Jesus as the Messiah, Lord and Savior, raised from the dead and it is credibly documented that extraordinary signs accompany their ministry, I am inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I am interested, though, if anyone has information that either confirms or rebuts a miracle the Bakers have publically claimed to witness.
God bless,