Todd White was in Bergen, and 1400 were seated. But do they know that he pray for deliverance with witches?
Todd White was saved in 2004. His mission statement is not to preach the fear of God, repentance and good news of salvation in Jesus the Messiah.
This is the heading on his website:
“Our mission statement of the gospel is to become love so that wherever we go, people want what we have!”
Some of the most charismatic and gifted Christians in the city of Bergen in Norway came to me and promoted this man. They ignore their brothers and sisters with the gift of discernment, and welcome witchcraft doctors into their fellowships, in the name of “Christ”. Not doing any professional background research, the 24 hour “Christian” TV channel “Visjon Norge” promoted him. And the Christian daily and weekly followed suit. There is a spiritual tragedy enfolding in Norway.
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
This man comes out of the gnostic cult named “Bethel Church” in Reading, US, lead by pastor Bill Johnson.
All followers of Jesus need to listen to disciples with the gift of discernment. There is a need to issue stern warnings. You have been deceived to promote evil as “love” in the name of the Messiah. Repent or perish.
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Hmm another from Bethel church. Mike Hoggard is from Bethel church, a supposed bible believing pastor. He has some dvds that were interesting at first but more and more i came to believe the Hog stands for Hogwash. One of them was called ‘Why im not a Mason’, no doubt he is a Mason if he needs to deny it. Perhaps guys like these are the reason for the line. Matt 24:24 If it were possible to deceive the very elect”
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for this comment. We need to know about gnostic copies of Jesus, to be able to identify them. Gnostisim is mystisim.
In general: Gnostism claim that Jesus was anything but fully man and fully God in one person. Pastor Bill Johnson teach that there was a time when Jesus was just a man, and needed to ba anointed with the Holy spirit. A God that seized to be God, and than became God again.
God do not need to be anointed by God. Jesus is God. He was also a man, whith some clear cut limitations during his life in the flesh. He could not be omnipresent. When Jesus was an infant, he was an infant. There are a lot of things an infant can not do. Like walking…!!!
The scriptures are sort of confusing on things like that. I can see where someone could draw those conclusions. And not taking the advice of the Apostle Paul, not to argue about things which are debateable, cause all sorts of divisions.
Romans 14:1Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.
I have no problem with honest mistakes, but if they deliberately intend to make things a confusing mess, which I believe some do. And if powerful organization fund those efforts you might call that a conspiracy.
If yall are Really interested in Serving the Lord Jesus Christ….why would you WASTE so much time trying to Discredit someone…. and not being using the Precious time God gave you and Be reaching the Lost. I promise you that whille you are posting Against this MAN OF GOD…HE IS REACHING 1000S. and how many are you reaching. Using my Discernment. You are not operating in Gods Spirit. You are stirring up Dissention which is Sin. You can misinterpret Everything including the Bible.
Have you been to see his conference…?? Well I have…and I witnessed people really get healed in front of my eyes…and Todd was nowhere aournd. And I saw a whole CITY get transformed.
I say that people that are Jealous are always looking for something wrong with others,.
I dare you to go to one of his conferences and not be changed by the Power of the Living God…
Don’t be confused between 2 churches with the same name, the Bethel church of Mike Hoggard in Festus, Missouri is a godly church with sound doctrine.
Yes you are right to different churches with the same name but hoggards church does not teach sound biblical doctrine neither. Hoggard teaches that Gods has wings and that Noah was a drunk and that because God created time and seasons it’s first, it’s perfectly ok to practice Christmas and Easter like the pagans. Don’t be fooled by hoggard. He has many way out there umbilical mans own teachings, they just get sprinkled through all his teachings, a little here and a little their.
Man this people critizice a real man of God that walks like Jesus! Ppl need to shut up and stop making false accusations calling people false teachers! Stop stop stop! These ppl claim he is a false teacher? He has shown Jesus to everyone and brought more people to Jesus that any of these religious, denominational box heads individuals
Dear kevinyoelmontanez
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
It must be possible to debate doctrines, and not persons. I have raised the issue of praying with witches for deliverance. I have argued that Jesus would never have done so. If you can show me from scriptures, that I am wrong, please enlighten me.
How do you know that Jesus wouldve never prayed and deliver witches??
Didnt philip preached the gospel in acts chapter 8 at a point where magicians and witches converted and burned their witchcraft books??? How did they get saved from witchcraft? By the power of God. Would you rather a witch stay in her ways and go to hell? Or get a chance to repent, be delivered and turn to God???
He didnt pray with witches he prayed for them in the name of Jesus and even got two witches to pray.. What is wrong about that???
Dear kevinyoelmontanez
Shalom, and love in Jesus
You wrote:
He didnt pray with witches he prayed for them in the name of Jesus and even got two witches to pray.. What is wrong about that???
My comment:
You are wrong. Listen to the video all over again. Todd White prayerd WITH witchs. He told a witch to pray with him for deliverence of a third person.
What is wrong with this?
Witches, Hindu’s, New Agers at large claim they belive in “Jesus”. Hindu’s even belive Jesus is God, but only one of the gods.
Before you pray with any unknown person, you need to know if that person have heared the gospel of sin and repentance. If not, you might just decieve a person, if a miracle is performed. You can read about unrepented people using the name of “Jesus” in Matthew 7: 21-23, and Paul’s warning about a “different Jesus” in 2 Corrintians 11:4.
I have had a wicca woman, (New ager) using the name of “Jesus” when performing witchcraft in my house, against my knowledge and desire. As I returned home one eveing, I caught her at my desk doing her occult practices. I had to throw her and her witchcraft out of my house. I had to pray for her. Not at all with her.
If what I have told you, is diffciult to understand. Please reply back to me.
So you are saying todd white is new age? Lol bro you are wrong
Dear kevinyoelmontanez
Shalom and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
So you are saying todd white is new age? Lol bro you are wrong.
My reply:
You are making this an issue of Todd White, or not Todd White.
I rather invite my readers to debate the difference between right and wrong. What a follower of Jesus would do, if He is willing to obey.
Unfortunately,sometimes we have to rebuke nice, smilling and kind people around us. Even warn others, not to follow their example.
Ok 👌🏻 blessings
Greetings;
I pray for the people 2hi wrote such ugly things about a man of God. Such statements are false and disgusting. Doesn’t Jesus not say who ever isn’t against us is for us? I’ve watched many talks and he has touched the lives of many. Many people turn To God because of Todd. If he sheds a good light why accuse ? If people are repenting because of his love for Jesus, why get in the way and be so hateful and judgmental. Are you convicted because of him? I rebuke you. I will also pray for you. If some spirit tells you he is not in the word, I would seriously rebuke that evil spirit and ask the Lord our God to help you see with open eyes. Peace brothers.
Good Morning,
I honestly pray that you realize what Todd White teaches are lies..to make a name for himself out of greed.
He says in one of his teachings, “I read the Bible not so I can preach a sermon;” “I don’t read the Bible so I can teach you-never read your Bible so you can teach people!”
My comment: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
Hey! its NOT the same Bethel church. Mike Hoggard is Pastor in a nother Church also called “Bethel”… B Blessed in Jesus Christ! An beware of the wolfs like Todd White!! Mike Hoggard is a true Christian. And is NOT a part of NAR…. KB
Dear Ed Jones, I want to clarify what you stated about Mike Hoggard. He is not from the Bethel Church in Redding California. He pastors a small Fundamental Bible Church located in Festus Missouri called Bethel Church.
For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power. Cor 4:20
U might fool a 1st grader with your misspelling, and complete lack of any substantial point.
Literally, you state he’s a deceiver with nothing to back.
Throw a fear intended scripture..really? Ur only fooling yourself, and don’t know it! Anyways..Jesus received the Holy Spirit. It’s in the Bible. duh? Pray for delivering the witches is wrong? Also in another article u slander at a preschool level. “He must be a mason, if he has a DVD entitled “why I’m not mason””. That’s ignorant to the 10000 degree. Do u know what a blindspot is? Do u know what spiritually deaf is? I mean, really? Your right. U should be very very careful. Don’t quit ur day job. If people close to u keep saying the same thing, maybe, just maybe they might see something about u, u can’t see.
Legalistically, you can’t walk with the boldness, and the power of God.
Legalistically, you’ll bite your lip, and try to walk with character,
and you’ll always do the things you wish you didn’t.
But by grace,
both are possible.
Cant stand this type of preaching,cant help but see the emptiness in it
What emptyness?? Has given life, hope, and salvation to many believers and including none believers… What kind of preaching do you consider non empty???
God does not expect a floor show,God/Jesus has given life hope and salvation to those who believe,not the preacher who delivers the scripture
Show me an example of how he has delivered scripture??
Hi Kevin, the reason that Todd White’s preaching and teaching is damnable is because he does not teach “God’s plan of salvation” but his own feel good message that makes him so popular. Without true repentance and turning away from sin there is no salvation. That is part of faith and grace. God warns us to flee from every hint of evil and to try every spirit to see if it is from God. Just because Todd preaches love, love, love and Jesus, Jesus, Jesus does not mean he is preaching the true gospel. God is love, and he showed his love for us by sending his only begotten son Jesus to be tortured, ridiculed, mocked and murdered on a cross to show how wicked our sin is and the sacrifice he had to pay for it. Jesus told his disciples that if you want to follow me you must take up your cross (die to sin and self). He warned his disciples that men would hate you as they hated him and you will be persecuted for the message your preach and be put to death for righteousness sake. But he who endures to the end will be saved. He said with much tribulation we will enter into the kingdom. Jesus also said that only a small number of people overall will be saved. Does Todd White’s message sound like that? Todd is wolf in sheep clothing just like all the people he hangs out with…
Read this article to help you understand… http://www.todayschristianwoman.com/articles/2015/august/heresy-love.html
But this is not witchcraft either,just hype and ego
Dear Rommgirl.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
But this is not witchcraft either,just hype and ego
My reply;
When a religious person say he “loves witches” and pray with them for deliverance in the name of “Jesus”, what shall we call it?
Are you aware of the story of Jezebel? She claimed to know God of Israel, but used witchcraft in her prayer. She was a powerful witch. Eliah was affraid of her.
Another event in the New Testament, that expose that the name of “Jesus” are used by a lot of people who do not have His authority and power. They simply misuse His name.
Act 19:13-16 (New King James version)
Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
(end)
To teach “lovable” witches to use the name of “Jesus”, makes you a witchcraft doctor.
Rommgirl I understand how the line from what is considered witchcraft and that which is not can get pretty blurry. But speaking from one who once practiced a form of what the modern world calls witchcraft I have come to understand that anything that comes out of a man that has its origin not in the Holy Spirit and in Truth but comes from either a demonic spirit or mans own self can and is a legitimate form of witchcraft. Hence most advertising today is witchcraft, all of rock music is witchcraft, yoga, Catholicism and all doctrines of demons are witchcraft.
Eve was guilty of witchcraft when she listened to Satan and encouraged Adam to disobey Gods command. Check it out yourself, but witches don’t all have weird hats and are ugly with warts.
The guy Todd white is like Todd bently, keneath copeland, benny hinn, hillsong etc etc etc they all are practicing witchcraft some full knowing and others are simply deceived but it is still witchcraft and it will take you to hell. Just as with any sin.
A little leaven leavens the whole lump( Jesus Christ)
B
I’m late on this one, but the fact that you think Catholics practice witchcraft is hysterical.
Neither of those!!
Its all straight love and power of God
It is the NEW GOSPEL that Yeshua warned of in the days just before HE comes…..apostasy………….. we are to tell them the truth 3 times and if they don’t accept it, from such turn away.. so many are heading to hell. what a shame and G-d says they would not have an excuse that if they refuse the truth HE would send delusion and they would believe the lie..one preachers said: the churches are feeding the goats and starving the sheepe..
Good stuff,Ivar! 🙂
Is he trying to show us that Cali girls can be preachers too, just keep saying love and Jesus, hug a witch. I believe the Apostles could heal the sick and raise the dead by the power of Jesus. He’s mocks the Apostles with his own powerlessness. Same sort of subtleness as Mike Hoggard, saying they love Jesus and are Christians, but It seems the intent is to create doubt.
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
He’s mocks the Apostles with his own powerlessness.
My comment:
Jesus the Messiah confronted evil spirits. He commanded them out of people. He never worked together with them, litteraly teamed up with them.
It is a complete short circut, to teach that loving the devil never fails. He has to be rebuked, and shown the door.
I finally watched the video clip and found it disturbing. First of all, tricking unbelievers who are in abject rebellion against God (they call themselves witches?) into “praying” is not only worthless, it shows a lot of irreverence toward God and His sovereignty. We are not here to play foolish games with unbelievers. We are here to share the message that man without the saving power of Jesus Christ is dead in his/her sins and that it is only trusting in Him that saves us from the punishment that those sins deserve. Taking a swipe at “the church” for some imagined slight in order to ingratiate himself with the three girls is to hold the Bride up to ridicule before a group of unbelievers and is incredibly immature. Although we are to be marked by love toward other believers and kindness and good will toward unbelievers, I see no Biblical warrant for “loving someone into the Kingdom”. Second, he has the audacity to ask his hearers to think that this is not only acceptable but important to do? The fact that they were audibly agreeing with him, displays not only his own ignorance but theirs as well. I would suggest that they all go back to reading the the Bible in its entirety.
Dear job3627
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Although we are to be marked by love toward other believers and kindness and good will toward unbelievers, I see no Biblical warrant for “loving someone into the Kingdom”.
My comment:
“When you love unbelievers” by your acceptance and copying of what they do, you will be loved by the World. The “Chuch” who believe in such will grow into “Mega Churches”, and pave the way for the final antichrist.
When you share the gospel about sin, repentance and the blood of Jesus, you will be hated by all non-believers, religious people and apostate “Christians”. At the end of the age, the powers of the holy people will be completely broken. Very few will be willing to listen.
John 15:19
If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
Daniel 12:7
Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand to heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever, that it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.
(end of scripture)
The spirit that has taken unbelivers capitve, do not want to leave their body and souls. They are in need of delivererance. If you are not willing to be hated for the sake of Jesus, you do not love anyone. There is no true love outside of truth. Just fake.
Ed Jones why are you saying Mike Hoggard is a false teacher? When you say that he is, you should explain from scripture what he teaches if false. What is it? “Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear.” 1 Timothy 5:19
Shut up dude you really dont know what you are talking about lol
Discernment comes from a more thorough knowledge of Scripture. One of the things that I have noticed is that many who attend Bible Colleges and Seminaries have only a rudimentary knowledge of Scripture (even those who attend “conservative” ones). They tend to pick the things that they like from the New Testament and ignore the parts that they don’t like. Francis Schaeffer saw this as an emerging problem way back in the 1980s. But it had its beginnings in the modern “redaction criticism”. Because the Theory of Evolution is erroneously taken as being more truthful than the Bible, the faith of many in the Bible as the actual Word of God, has been gutted. The Devil has only a few tricks and this one is probably the most commonly used, “Did God really say…?” It is not surprising that there would be all manner of nonsense being preached from the pulpits when there are so few trained in what is and what is not orthodoxy–judged by the very words of God in the Bible. “All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.” (2 Timothy 3:16)
This cited Scripture should be no less true for pastors than it is for the faithful sheep.
Amen, Amen Ivar! I just left a Bethel Baptist church where I live. I caught him red handed plagiarizing sermons off the internet. Not only this the man he plagiarized is a major Calvinist and the so called pastor at Bethel claimed he was not a Calvinist. The pastor quoted a homosexual, a Roman Catholic priest in his sermons. You see, he was so busy copying that he forgot to check who he was copying to see if he was scriptural. I sent an e-mail to this pastor and told him he must tell the congregation what he was doing. He did not reply. I called him, and told him to make sure he said the word ‘plagiarized’ sermons from another man. He said he would. I told him I would be there Sunday to make sure he did. I was met and led outside by an Elder who told me it was not my place, I was not a member, that they would take care of it. I told him I’m a member of the ‘body of Christ’! I went in and heard the pastor say, “I BORROWED some sermons online, sometimes liberally, Mrs. ________ (MY NAME HE QUOTED) saw from the handout that we mailed her that I borrowed. The pastor told them my name twice, and then he said he repented to God, and now he was repenting to them. He said he borrowed the sermon! That is a bald face lie! Borrow means something you give back to the owner does it not? The Pastor plagiarized sermons for entire year! He lied, he stole. He repented and said that from now on the elders would check his sermons. Are they kidding? They didn’t even know he was lying in the first place! They all forgave him, and I guarantee they don’t want me back even if I wanted to, and I would not. I have no church to go to, they are all Apostate, they have joined with the world religion! “Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.” 1 Timothy 5:20
Dear nannette
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for your testimony.
I have experienced that people with the gift of discernment have been thrown out of fellowships. And fakes taking their seats. The apostate church will go on from bad to worse. We are facing the great falling away.
“When you love unbelievers” by your acceptance and copying of what they do, you will be loved by the World. The “Church” who believe in such will grow into “Mega Churches”, and pave the way for the final antichrist.
When you share the gospel about sin, repentance and the blood of Jesus, you will be hated by all non-believers, religious people and apostate “Christians”. At the end of the age, the powers of the holy people will be completely broken. Very few will be willing to listen.”
Exactly, Ivar! It is definitely NOT loving to confirm sinners in their rebellion–they need to hear the truth–that is the kindest thing we can do for them. And that may mean that they do not feel “loved”. Somehow, this world seems to have adopted the notion that “love” consists of approval of whatever a rebellious heart wants to embrace. Placating sinners “feelings” and thus confirming them in their sin is tantamount to approving whatever a spoiled child does. Salvation is not about anyone’s feelings, it is about accepting God’s Truth about ourselves (that we are abject sinners) and about Him (that He loved us enough to send His Son, Jesus to die in payment for our sins). It is only in that way that we are healed and forgiven, enjoying life eternally with Him and His Son.
God’s will is for all to be saved (1Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:19). Our lives, what Jesus has done to them (2 Corinthians 5:17) should look different. People should would want what we have, just like Todd preaches. Jesus states that all will know we are His disciples by loving (John 13:34-35) not judging. I think we all need to take a long look in the mirror and realize if people are pointing people to Jesus and the eternal work He did for us and accomplished on the cross then how is it bad. There is amazing things taken place in Redding at Bethel, all to the glory of God. What is wrong for praying for unbelievers (witches) to come to know Jesus? Todd never agreed to what they were doing or how they were living. He presented the truth to them and showed them love. Jesus would have done the same. He came to heal the sick not the well (Matthew 9:12). If we don’t (Matthew 5:16) to the world and (John 14:12) how will they want to change? Instead of being “religious” let’s be Christian about people and hope and pray that all will come to know Jesus. We love the sinner not the sin. There is only one way (John 14:6), but love is the best way to show this. God bless you all. Thanks for all you do Ivar.
God does want all to be saved. But that requires that all come to repentance. If this guy teaches no repentence then he is not doing God’s will and trying to save people. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but ***everyone to come to repentance***.
So guys like him who teach folks to come on in and bring all you sins with you are false teachers. Spoken of by the Apostles.
Jude 1:4 For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
new creation 88, You need to do a study on prayer. Paul did not pray that way! Did Jesus pray that way? Did Paul pray for witches, did Jesus? NO. Jesus said to judge righteous judgment. Where do we get righteous judgment? From God’s Word. It is our authority. If someone walks not according to God’s Word, we need to confront that person. I don’t care who he or she is, if he or she calls themselves Christian’s they needs rebuked. I’m not talking about unbeliever’s. Paul says, “Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church” But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers. 1 Corinthians 6:1-6. Jesus says, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24 “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, WITCHCRAFT, hatred variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.” Galatians 5:19-21 “THEM THAT SIN REBUKE BEFORE ALL, THAT OTHERS ALSO MAY FEAR.” 1 Timothy 5:20. How loving does that sound to ya? “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.. Galatians 1:8-10
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Really good post, I am sorry to hear that Norway is falling under the attack of bethel church and bill Johnson. Here in Australia it is the same…many pastors and leaders read and promote and attend bethel church leadership program’s and have brought them back from the USA. Their teachings and spirits spread like a flu.
In Australia everybody has taken hold of the catholic church as if they are the true body of Christ. Anybody who speaks against or stands against ecumenicalism is shunned and ignored.
I do hope hillsong has not corrupted your people and I am so sorry that they have come from my beloved country. If only the world could see what they are really about.
But..prophecy being fulfilled is a great joy and it means that very soon when the season has come upon us that our beloved master and saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ will return. Not before much blood shed and testing of the saints.
Stand strong and trust alone in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ for our salvation and the forgiveness of our sins. For now is the time for the true body to begin to stand up and speak the truth with boldness and courage knowing that all who do such things are brothers in Christ and we will all share the pain and suffering, even though we are spread across the face of the earth and feel as if we are all alone, as we watch the ” the word of God spoken thousands of years ago become our reality”
B
Keeping going and never give up for it is the reformation all over again.
Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
B, You said, “keep going and never give up for it is the reformation all over again.” I thought we are in the dispensation of grace. Grace means unmerited favor, Dispensation is the time of God’s program in this age. That is after Christ died and was resurrected the third day we entered into another a time when God deals with mankind differently than he did in the Old testament. People, specifically the Jews and Gentiles who became converts to Judaism were under the law, which meant they were commanded to keep all 600 plus laws. After Acts 2 when the Holy Spirit was given men were commanded to believe the gospel to be saved. Please read Acts 15. The conversation in this chapter is that after Pentecost that Jews came down and demanded the believers to be circumcised after the manner of Moses, saying, ye cannot be saved. Certain Pharisees which believed, saying, that it was needful to circumcise them new believers and command them to keep the law of Moses (verse 5). After much disputing Peter rose up and told them that the Gentiles also would by mouth hear the word of the gospel and believe. (verse 7). Peter says, “Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear.” verse 10. Then James said in verse 19 & 20, “Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God. But that we write unto them, that thy abstain from pollutions of idols, and for fornication, and from things strangled and from blood.” Ephesians 2:8&9 says, “For by Grace are ye save, through faith; and that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God.” What I’m getting at is it is clearly written in scripture that, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.” 1 Timothy 4:1. In 2 Thess. 2:3 “Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the APOSTASY comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.” The apostasy comes first! We are in the age of Grace, but time will come that God will judge the earth for not accepting Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. Why would God save us then judge us? There is NO revival in the Age of grace-none! The Day of the Lord cometh, It is terrible! We must Believe that “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that who so ever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
So what are you saying that during the reformation they were not under grace? The reformation was Grace. Sorry but I have no idea what you are trying to make a point about.
Reformation is not a revival in the billy graham sense of the word and I made no mention of revival. God moves upon His people to be bold and willing to suffer and die for His truth and for our King to whom we owe everything.
Yes the apostasy comes first it always has, right from the begining. Adam and eve.
You can’t separate from something if nothing is there to separate from, hence Gods description of coming out of darkness into the light.
The reformation was grace and because of that Grace I and all people since that time have been privileged to be able to hear and read Gods word due to the uncountable people that were murdered by satan through his catholic church.
Today the face of murder and persecution is coming from the Muslim world which is a lacky of the roman catholic church. Today just as during the reformation there was an apostasy and it was through the Grace of God that men full of the Holy Spirit were willing to suffer and forsake all earthly things in order to preach the truth.
Sorry but as the Holy Writ speaks, it tells us that there is nothing new under the sun.
History does seem to repeat itself, and God again tells us that those who love not their lives unto the death but overcome Satan through their testimony of Jesus Christ will be saved. We must stand firm and endure the race of suffering as Christ did say That as He suffered so shall we, it is through the fire that we are refined, so be ready for our day of testing is upon us.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Joh 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.
and it is always harder at the end of a race than at the begining, and so as we approach the end and as the western world soon returns to its old persecution of the saints, I again say just as the Bible clearly dictates…
1Jn 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
1Jn 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1Jn 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1Jn 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jn 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
1Jn 2:29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
I certainly hope you are not leaning towards the pretribulation rapture theory? I always wonder at how Asians and Africans and Arabs can die before the pre trib for not denying Jesus name but that it will not come upon us of the western church, as we are so full of pride and vanity that we actually deceive ourselves into believing we are not in any need of testing through fire?
Of course God tests our faith…it is clearly written that judgment comes first to the house of God. Of course God judges us…that is what he does or do you believe that you can take the mark of the beast and still enter heaven?
I could always be wrong but the age of dispensational grace seems a lot like Joel army new reformation doctrine of the likes I am not talking about.
But any how keep going and don’t give up, maybe you don’t need encouragement but I do and i need more Grace upon grace everyday. For I am not deluded into thinking that I can or will resist the devil unto death if I stand in my own strength for I am an awful low down rotten sinner who is so ever thankful for the redemption that I have freely received but not through my own works so I don’t boast but through Grace.
B
Sorry again but I really didn’t understand what your misunderstanding was and what point you were trying to make.
B, you said, “keep going its the reformation all over again” Did you mean that in revival sense or persecution sense? The reformation was a revival. Read the letters to the 7 churches carefully. Are all of them going through the great tribulation? What about God’s chosen people the Jews? They are gathered in unbelief back to their land. What does Jacob’s ladder mean to you? Who are the 144 thousand? Obviously-JEWS. Who are the 2 witnesses? Jews. The dispensation of Grace is the Age we live in since Pentecost (Acts) when the Holy Spirit was given to the believers (church). In the Old testament only a very few received the spirit of God but they could have had it taken away as David said, “take not thy Holy Spirit from me.” Psalm 51:11. “Nevertheless I (Jesus) tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away. For if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.” John 16:7. In the Old Testament is was prophesized that Christ would die for our sins, but He did not die yet. The account of that is in the New Testament. So before Christ’s death burial and resurrection how were people saved? By being obedient to the LAW. When they died they went to Abraham’s bosom Luke 16:19-31. The thief at the cross hanging next to Jesus, what did Jesus say to him when He believed? Jesus said, “today you will be with Me in paradise”. Luke 23:40-43. John the Baptist was to prepare the Jews for their Messiah, if they would have believed in their Messiah he would have been in the spirit of Elijah and the kingdom would have come. But they did not believe! In Malachi it says that “Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.” Malachi 4:5:6. This is significant to the Jews. Jews can be born again now by believing the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) which would make them part of the church, the bride of Christ. If they don’t believe they are going through Jacob’s trouble, it is for the Jews who don’t believe in their Messiah! ” A remnant will be saved! Jesus says, “For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord.” Matt. 23:39
one thing i don’t get ok,everyone has an opinion about everyone ,my question i want to ask ,and please don’t answer my question with the word repentance ,our God is graceful God,you saying that Todd white is a “witch” please explain why ,and who gave you the authority to speak or say this ?why is there so much condemnation here ?just condemning everyone here ????so self righteous ,it reminds me of a scripture about the pharisees,if you agree that God is love and He is gracious,and we agree that His Son has came to set us free ?to be free and free from sin .gave us authority and this is not by your words or my words,this is by the gospel,The Mighty Breath OF God
then why are you pointing fingers ?you all here ,what difference are you making? are you out there ?look real deep inside your hearts before you go forth
Ivar hit a nerve, so, Gerhard, you need to pay attention sir! What is the gospel may I ask you?
The gospel is “the good, glad and merry tidings which makes the heart to sing and the feet to dance “
It is good news, not good advice. It tells us what God has done for us in Christ, not what we have to do for him. It is the free offer of forgiveness, acceptance, and eternal life. See John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8–Ephesians 2:9. It is the setting forth of the meaning of the cross of Calvary and the preceding Gethsemane, and the following resurrection.we have received freely so we must give freely
cor – 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.i dont get what you guys are tryna do ,its very simple ,its all about love ,people just dont see it the way its meant ,somewhere or somehow something is not ok ,i am not condemning any one ,my point is if he is not against us then what ?people sometime try and dissect the bible and make it so difficult to understand and causes a lot of confusion and hurt ,so their is 5 opinions on all this ,who is right ???who will lead people then to Yeshua ?cause now we all have different seeing here,and by all respect to you all ,who do i listen to? ,I am a new born Christian seeking understanding ,but now its seems that i am mislead .please read through out all the comments etc ,with a full understanding before asking i must pay attention ,see where i am coming from with this ,then if you wont mind i will listen and lead me then with my seeking heart ,i don’t understand why Todd is false ?all that he has done and all he is talking about is love ?love drives out all fear ,the perfect love …..cor 13 love …then he speak gracely about the cross and he speaks about just being yourself ,i once heard a man say that we sometimes create a perception of what is real and whats not ,living in a oblivian ????you need ask you self how big is God to you ,how big of apart are you in God ?is it not that i mustn’t see it like how big is God in my picture or How big will i be In God picture ?
Dear Gerhard, did not mean to offend either. The gospel is clear, Paul said, “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also YE ARE SAVED, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that CHRIST DIED FOR OUR SINS according to the Scriptures; and that HE WAS BURIED, and that HE ROSE AGAIN THE 3RD DAY according to the scriptures.” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Paul also said, “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be ACCURSED.” Galatians 1:8&9. I went to Todd White’s official website to see what he is about. He has a tab there called, “awakening Europe” The word “awakening” is not in the Bible. I went to his “store” tab, and all he sells is t-Shirts. Then I went to his “About Todd” tab and this is what he says about himself, ” Todd White was a drug addict & atheist for 22 years when in 2004 he was radically set free! Redemption and righteousness are the FOUNDATION and the key to the new creation REALITY that we live in and from. God simply opened Todd’s eye’s to “THIS TRUTH” and “THAT” Holy Spirit wants to “FLO THROUGH” every believer every where we go at work, school, grocery stores, malls, gas stations, everywhere. His true joy is being able to “REPRODUCE” in people the simplicity of this reality, in a 24/7 “KINGDOM LIFESTYLE”! This is for every believer! His heart is “ACTIVATING PEOPLE” into the simplicity of who they really are and destroying “LIES THAT HOLD PEOPLE.” Gerhard, this is his statement of faith, and there is NO GOSPEL IN IT. There is another gospel that Paul says is ACCUSED. Nothing he says is true. What is truth? Scripture! “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16&17. We can check out what people teach by scripture, if thy teach contrary to scripture you must not listen to them. For they preach another gospel which is to be accursed to you. Was Jesus loving when He overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the seats of them that sold doves? Matthew 21:12-13. Was Jesus loving when he told Peter get behind me Satan, Matthew 16:23? Was Paul loving when he called Ananias a “whited wall”? In Acts 23:1-5. Check people out! Truth only come from God’s Word! Blessings
Dear Gerhard
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Since Todd White pray with witches for deliverance of a thrd person, you need to show me from scriptures where a Christian have got permission to do so. Than we can debate on that scripture.
Dear Nanette
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Ivar hit a nerve, so, Gerhard, you need to pay attention sir! What is the gospel may I ask you?
My reply:
We need to focus on the ongoing mixture of Christianity and paganizm. In Norway, Lutheran priests wants to read from the Koran and pray with Muslims. Todd White wants to pray with witches. If we duck such issues, and pretend nothing is wrong, we end up on the compromising path towards destrcution. I am not taking that path, but will continue to warn people.
Ivar, yes, you are right. Satan tries to take the ‘word that was sown’ in the parable of the sower – Matthew 13. Only the ‘good ground’ in verse 8 was saved. In verse 4, the fowls (demons) devoured up the seed that fell by the wayside, see also Zechariah 5. The churches out here are teaching they are all saved, and it’s a lie. When I witness to people who claim to be Christian, I ask them what the gospel is so I know where to go from there. If a person is not born again, they will not understand. They need salvation priority #1, then we can show them the lies, because they will have the Holy Spirit who will teach them the truth. They will see it. There are so many who claim to be Christians and yet they are NOT ‘born again” John 3:3, a person cannot go to heaven unless they are born again. The churches are entertaining goats. Before I was born again all this stuff you write had no meaning because I was spiritually dead. Blessings
Dear Nannette
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Since there are many copies of Jesus, I need to know which Jesus people worship, before I can have spiritual fellowship with them. I can only come to know by listen to their explanation of the gospel, and claimed fruits in their life.
The most common copies of Jesus:
1. The Catholic “Jesus” who do not have a sinful mother.
2. The Jesus of the Jevova witnesses, a Messiah who is not the Creator.
3. The Muslim Jesus, who is not God, and have not rebirthed the state of Israel.
4. The New Age Jesus who is a guru.
5. The Hindu Jesus who is one of the gods.
6. The Jesus of the prosperity gospel, who makes his followers friends of the world.
A “Jesus” who pray for deliverance with witches, is not the Messiah of the Bible.
I could have made the list longer.
Amen Ivar, you might add Seventh Day Adventist to your list who’s jesus is Michael the archangel. And anyone who denies the Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit, these three are One. Jesus is God in the flesh. Also anyone who denies the resurrection, etc. Blessings
I just want to also add, it’s ironic isn’t it that one of the t-shirts Todd White sells looks like this: http://lifestylechristianity.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Tshirt_Lifestyle_Christianity_Front.png “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking who he may devour.” 1 Peter 5:8. Just sayin’
Jesus was God, but he still needed the holy spirit. It’s actually a knostic teaching to say he didn’t need the holy spirit to do maricles.
Flesh has no ability outside God’s spirit and the will of the father to go against the laws of nature.
Jesus is and was always God the son.
Dear Taylor.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You have to show me scriptures, that proves your case, that Jesus was in need of the Holy Spirt to perform miracles.
The second issue is gnostism. Can you exlain to me the most known gnostic copies of Jesus?
Taylor, JESUS IS GOD! Not “was” God!
Dear Nannette
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Is or was….This might look like a spelling mistake, but it might not be so.
Some people might think God can cease to be God, or that God is created.
This is a matter of the nature and character of God. If we misunderstand, we have made an idol. A fake “god”.
Actually, Jesus is the “son of God”. He is not the Father.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in HIM dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:8&9 Ivar, do not the Gnostics believe that God is IN everything? Like saying He God is in the trees, and animals, etc. These Gnostics believe that nature is god. They shun the material world (reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism) They believe that God is a “force”! The Bible clearly teaches God is Spirit, and it also teaches God is Jesus Christ in the flesh. A person, not a “force”. “To whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for if I forgave anything, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in THE PERSON OF CHRIST.” 2 Cor. 2:10. The Holy Spirit is a “He”, a person. “Howbeit when, He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth; for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak, and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify Me: For He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you. All things that the Father hath are Mine: therefore said I that He shall take of Mine, and shew it to you. All things that the Father hath are Mine. Therefore I said I that He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it to you.” John 16:13-15. So, to say that Jesus who IS God the whole time when He was being crucified for you and me did on the cross “needed” to have the Holy Spirit is the “lie” of Satan as Taylor said! The three are ONE! “This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood, and it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are ONE. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.” 1 John 5:6-8. Blessings!!
Dear Nannette
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Gnosticism is a difficult topic. Since the scholars have diagreements amomg them selves.
In general: Gnostisism dispute that Jesus is fully God and fully man in One and the same person. Some of the gnostic teachers reject that Jesus is fully God. Other reject that Jesus was fully, 100 per cent human. Others claim He was not God and man at the same time.
Gnostisism is also linked to mystesism, and phillosopical thinkers who reject material as evil. “god” being a force, the divine “self”, as also claimed by Buddhists. They look at Jesus as one of their guru’s.
Shalom friend on this beautiful Friday afternoon. Even more beautiful because I’m about to leave work!
I was reading through the comments about Todd praying with witches, then performing miracles. When I was a wayward Christian, I stayed at an ashram mixing my beliefs. Those days are over.
With this being said I completely agree that praying AND performing miracles WITH witches is a dangerous path. Yes you might convince a witch to believe in Jesus, but she will NOT convert. She will follow her own Wicca beliefs along with a belief in Jesus or think that following either/or is okay. I saw this all the time at the ashram.
By performing miracles with witches you’re telling a witch that we all can perform miracles as long as we say the magical ala-ka-zam name Jesus Christ.
It is dangerous and perhaps diabolical to future disciples who could 100% convert a witch.
I would like to see Todd tell these witches to renounce their faith in Wicca, convert them, then “perform” (he really is) a miracle. People need to see miracles apart from their own faith or religion lest they be fooled into thinking by the Evil One that they had any hand in it.
It seems like we’re all forgetting Jesus’ words in John 4:48, but we need to remember John 20:29.
Yeah, and my comment wasnt published?
Why Ivar?
Dear Peter
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Please send the comment one more time. It will be published.
Yet here we all are, arguing over doctrine.
Let me ask this:
When Jesus spit into some dirt to make mud to heal the blind man, was it witchcraft? Do we question that method because it seems “odd”? Jesus did a lot of miracles that defied our own way of thinking and also defied our natural laws of physics. Water into wine, walking on water, cursed the fig tree.
Yet here you all stand in accusation of one another’s doctrine and views as if you are each a defining authority on what is or isn’t sound doctrine. No wonder the world laughs at us.
However, I can see the danger in encouraging the witches to pray in Jesus’ name as it may not lead them into salvation, but rather entice them to try to use that power on their own; and we all saw what happens to those who do that. Instead, allow them to bear witness to the miracle and see the glory of God. What he was doing was showing them that the power of God resides in non-believers, which is false doctrine.
Todd White said that he had the witches lay hands on the other witch and to pray in Jesus Name for that person to be healed.
But the bible specifically tells us that it is through FAITH in His name that people are healed. These wiccans did not have any faith in Jesus.
The problem if he is from Bill Johnson’s church should be very clear.
Bill Johnson/Bethel church in Redding, CA teaches visualization (shamanism/Witchcraft), contemplative mysticism (pagan practice used to “become one” with the pagan Greek God – the bible clearly teaches that the gods of the pagans are demons. They are invovled in very new age type stuff, and just looking at Bill Johnson’s book “The Physics of Heaven” and seeing all the weird stuff about “God vibration” and “the Power of Color” ought to make people realize that this man is a pagan pretending to be Christian. His wife is also into reflexology, and they are into “soaking” on graves, trying to absorb the anointing of those who passed away by lying on their graves. The contemplative and “soaking” (having music in the background while they “focus” on God) is all the same thing – it is inducing altered states of consciousness, and then assuming whatever comes ofit is from God. They also think they can astral travel (Patricia King/ Bob Jones) by willing it. SMH Todd White hangs with Patricia King, Heidi Bakker, etc.. clearly these we know to be false prophets/false teachers, and we ought to be very concerned that they are just using Todd White to “fix” their failed prophecies regarding God raising up a man named “Todd”. Since Bentley was exposed, they need another Todd to fulfill their prophecy.. now they have one.
We need to pray for these people, they are deceived into following practices that they are told are Christian practice, and then spread it to others.
Notice that Todd White is trying to “Awaken” Europe. People need to realize that this word is a red flag. God’s people are not “awakened” like in the Hindu & New Age/New Spirituality religon, we are Born Again, through the preaching of the GOSPEL. The GOSPEL is the power of Salvation for them that believe.
I worry that Todd White is just another in a long line of false teachers that they are using to try to deceive the world and lure them into a false unity with Catholicism etc. into a false church of the End Times.
Recently there was the “Together ” meeting, attended to by thousands from the looks of things, and they had the “Pope” give a greeting. They wanted him to be there. They were trying to bring unity between Catholics and other Chrisitans, which seems evident from the title of the meeting initself. They also had the “Asuza Now” get together.. both of these are tied into false teachers, including Todd Bentley, Shawn Bolz, Bill Johnson, and Lou Engle. SMH Birds of a feather, folks.. birds of a feather.
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To those all worried that it’s not right to speak of the people who are teaching false things, let me just remind you that the apostles did as well, and told us to mark those who were teaching contrary to sound doctrine Romans 16:17 If people are unaware that these people are false, unaware that the spirit among them, operating through them is not God’s spirit, they might let them lay hands on them, and that is a dangerous thing. Todd White is part of the whole New “apostolic reformation” crowd, hooked up with the likes of Bill Johnson, Heidi Baker, Todd Bentely, Patricia King etc. These people are into spiritual “exploration” in things that God forbids. I don’t know about whether Todd White is into the same practices, but I would not be surprised at all since these people are all into contempltive mysticism, “soaking” (which is the same thing using a different method), visualization (witchcraft/shamanism) etc. all I know is that this guy hangs out with people like Patricia King and Heidi Bakker, then something is wrong. They are all part of the NAR and occult practices disguised as Christian. I can’t speak to their hearts, I can’t say they don’t really believe Jesus died for them, but they are messing with spiritual things that He forbids in His word, and that is cause for great concern. We SHOULD be pointing these people out so that others don’t end up letting these guys pass their “anointing” to them.. no one wants to see undiscerning Christians end up with demons.
If you’re not familiar with Todd White’s message then I can see why you would say these things. However, Todd does preach repentance, the gospel, and the only way to the Father is through Jesus. He preaches about heaven and hell, the thing is, is that he doesn’t dwell on those messages as being the only thing we are able to talk about. I hope you wouldn’t disagree about Jesus being love and that above hope and faith love is the greatest. All Todd is doing in his ministry is preaching about love and that by showing others love is to show others Jesus because Jesus lives inside all born again believers. How then can’t you show others love if you’re born again? In the four gospels is story after story of Jesus loving people (unbelievers) and showing compassion and healing them. We are to do the same Jn14:12 among other scriptures.
Those ‘witches’ who are really just another unbeliever were being shown what the gospels were all about. The two that prayed for the other witch prayed for her in the name of Jesus and acknowledged Gods love for them. They had faith as a mustard seed to move that mountain just by merely stepping out and doing what they did. Jesus is the author of our faith and then it’s up to us to abide with His help as he is also the finisher of our faith. Todd planted a seed in those ladies of Jesus, it’s He who brings them in to fruition.
Stop with the ‘holier than thou art’ thing and start approaching people with what Jesus did, show others love and compassion and stop fearing them. It’s the spiritual things we war against not flesh Eph6:10-20. They just need their eyes opened.
Also Todd White is affiliated with Dan Mohler, Neck Ministries. He was once attending Bethel but left due to reasons he hasn’t really mentioned. I don’t think you’ll ever see him trashing anybody either. I’m unaware of any affiliation to Todd Bentley, Patricia King, or Heidi Bakker other maybe giving commentary on video they were on also, maybe, but haven’t seen any.
There is a video of Todd White on YouTube praying for people on the street and Patricia King is with him.
Yeah, I went looking for some videos afterwards and found one of Todd on a show Patricia King has, also found one where Heidi Baker was commenting on him after one of his sermons. It still doesn’t change who he is though. It’d be like me meeting the pope and shaking hands with him and talking to him about God maybe even praying with him if it was to God and not one of their saints. I don’t agree with Catholic theology and because I’m seen with the pope or talk to him or pray with him doesn’t mean I have the same mindset as he does, I’m not tainted by being with him or touching him or talking to him; my heart is still aligned to Jesus. Same thing when I meet someone on the street who is a drug addict, thief, and angry; I can even agree with statements they might make and eat with them but it still does not change who I am, in fact your showing that person Jesus when you do these things out of love. I definitely would disagree with some things they might say or believe or about what they’re doing, but by being with them it would give me the opportunity to tell them about Jesus and who he is and who we are through him maybe pray for them if they let you.
Do you think everyone that goes to church or proclaims Jesus with their own lips are saved, no, I don’t anyway. People that are newly saved, are they correct in everything they think they might know about God, no. Are we always growing in Christ, yes. If we know we don’t know everything and are open to new understanding, we are being humble. If not, we are prideful. I want to always be open to new understanding, if I wasn’t I’d still be at my baptist church confused about who I am, who God is and still not know for sure if I was saved. So I would hope that if these people, who are supposedly astray, who are with Todd, that maybe they would see truth and change or learn from him. All I’m really getting at is this, look at Todd for who Todd is and don’t judge him by others.
I’m not familiar with who Patricia King is or Heidi Baker and I don’t know what their messages are. I get the feeling from some of the comments on here that people are identifying Todd with these other people and that these other people have a bad message or whatever it may be. I don’t know about the others that have been named but I do follow Todd White and some other like minded people and I cannot find anything unbiblical in Todd’s messages. Look at his fruits and his messages and you’ll know, he has tons of videos on Youtube, also look up Dan Mohler, another man with a great understanding. Don’t blindly agree and follow others gossiping on these blog sites without knowing for yourself, especially when it’s about people. Go look for yourself by investigating as much as you can.
And even if you find someone in error, how do we go about handling that situation? It’s in the bible. I’m not familiar with the bible telling us to trash someone and demonize them. In everything we do we should come at it in love. Trashing and demonizing is not love. We reprove them, we give them chances to change, this is why I don’t like denominations of churches. In my opinion, you’re either a believer or not and if you’re a believer you can be in error. That’s why God has a way to reprove someone to repent. In denominations, it’s like we war against each other within our denomination and between denominations when there is disagreement, which also in my opinion seems demonic.
I also do not agree with what some people are calling the new apostolic reformation and I’ve seen that some people are connecting Todd White to that ‘movement’ also. I looked into what the new apostolic reformation is (sort of vague) and Todd does not fit into that niche either. All I’m saying is be careful with what you post or say and check your heart to make sure you’re coming at someone with love rather than a gottcha or trashing them. I’m talking to whoever reads this and not just you, Keith. Sorry if you read the whole thing as if I was talking at you.
This article my interest you…
Wow, where to start? First I would say I’m a bit more familiar with some of those names. One of those videos in the article is quite disturbing with some of the stuff on it. Though there is stuff not well explained and sort of deceiving too. There’s some pretty messed up theology and understanding of Gods word from some of those people.
Secondly I have to say that I did not see Todd White’s theology in any of that. It has nothing to do with him that I can see. Its fine if you don’t believe me but look into him for yourself.
I think the issue with all this is not necessarily with Todd White but maybe rather with miracles. Does God still do miracles today?. Maybe this is what what we’re talking about and not Todd White.
I believe what scripture says. The article link posted, which I read, has no scripture supporting and saying that miracles aren’t for today. The author says he was involved in the Charismatic Movement and now does not believe in that theology anymore. I say ok that’s fine, I also am not one for it especially the kind shown in those videos. I guess I would have walked out too.
Im not sure what else I can say about Todd White or passing judgment on him as a person other than what I’ve already said in previous posts.
As far as miracles, I have my own testimonies and I believe what scripture says, I don’t think anything has changed since Pentecost with His church. I won’t try debating about miracles, I’ll just encourage everyone to read scripture and ask for understanding in that area.
I do believe the devil has put in place false signs and wonders to deceive people. I think people see these false things and assign it to what God is actually doing thinking it’s the same stuff. It’s discernment in every area of life.
Here’s a different article from the same site.
I agree with this article for the most part but I do believe in the laying on of hands to heal, casting out demons, speaking in tongues, interpretation, word of knowledge, prophesy, discerning spirits. These are gifts given to believers, the fruits of the spirit are different. The manifestations explained in this article, I agree, are not Holy Spirit. It’s like Kundalini and Reiki stuff. I don’t claim to know all about eastern religion though.
Concerning Todd White….. The Pharasee’s spoke the same way about Jesus. Jesus also said they will have a form of godliness but no power. When was the last time you prayed for the sick and Jesus healed them? Tommy Tenney in his book “God Chasers” made these two statements,…. ‘ Religious spirits must preserve where he’s been (talking about God) at the expense of where He Is!”……”But a man with an experience (like Todd White) is never at the mercy of a man with only an argument.”
I find it interesting how heavily persecuted Todd White has become. He must be doing something right 🙂
Romans 2 – you may think you can condemn such people but you are just as bad… Can’t you see that his kindness is intended to turn you from your sin.
It’s the lords love and kindness that turns us from our sin and causes us to repent. Not condemnation. When we walk in the spirit and love others – sow seed, Holy Spirit is amazing and will bring conviction to the individual.
Jesus is our example. We are called to follow his example. Was there anyone he was not willing to Love, heal, speak life + truth to.
He said the same signs will follow us and that we will do even greater things.
LUke 9:49 – Jesus disciples saw someone casting out demons in his name – Jesus replied – don’t stop him, anyone who is not against you is for you.
I don’t think Todd is against a single person on this forum and has completely repented and turned from his sin – powerful testimony
Dear Brent.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I often marvel over Charismatics, who are not willing to debate theological issues. The topic of possible copies of Jesus is totally banned, and a deeply rooted taboo in your circles. You are totally wrong. Todd White is presented as a hero in the Word of Faith Movement. A few people use their gifts of discernment, and have issued a warning. But very few are willing to listen.
What is the theological issue where Todd White is wrong in his message? And who says Todd White is charismatic, as though we should live in Christianity under titles or denominations/divisions. If we believe we are believers then we are Christians, we are saints, we are sons of God, we are righteous, we are perfect in His eyes. Otherwise we are unbelievers, whom God is always calling to and who He still loves though lost. Where in scripture is Todd wrong, please show me. I’m not being snide but if there really is something wrong in Todd’s message I want to know where it is because so far I haven’t seen or heard anything wrong so far.
Where Brent is right is that we are to be like Jesus was. Jesus set an example of how we are to be in this world, He was perfect as we should be. We are not made righteous by what we do but by who we are and through that we do what is right. There is nothing wrong with that, it’s scripture. I don’t see why when truth is brought out in this forum that it gets redirected back to charismatic issues or what other people do or some other generalization that has nothing to do with issue first made. Why are we comparing Todd to other things or people, he is Todd, as I am Zach, or you are you. I am not charismatic but I agree with Todd in his message of Love, I am a believer in Christ. Look at Todd for who Todd is, a believer, as he says he is.
Todd White might be looked at as a hero to people as you say. . . ok so? Why is Todd judged by what other people do. People do look at him as an example, why?, because Jesus shows through him, that’s why. People see Jesus in him and they want what he has, they want that relationship that Todd has with God, it’s good brother! It’s not bad. I want that relationship too! I’m not where Todd is yet but I am where I am because of people like Todd and I’m only about 3 years into Christ, it’s amazing! It’s all because of God’s grace!
Wow, I just don’t see the logic in the arguments against Todd, they’re divisive and repressive. The people you refer to using their discernment in seeing Todd as someone not to be trusted, are they seeing something he is teaching as wrong or his message as wrong, or are they using their feelings to judge him because they have a predisposed perspective of how they think Christianity should look and Todd does not fit that mold. If you were to go along the scriptures reading, Todd is living them. Jesus walked the Earth as an example for us to follow, He is the Way! Love, compassion, truth, patience, sinless, perfect, righteous. Otherwise what is the use of Jesus in us then, that’s blasphemy in itself, we are to be as Jesus was. Not as god’s, but sons of God, co-heirs. He has given us all things already, the kingdom is ours now, it’s up to us to manifest that. We are seated in heavenly places now with Him. We are to be the image that He initially made us to be in the garden, Jesus reconciled us back to God so that we could be who God had always meant us to be, an image of God.
I want to know the theological issues against Todd in scripture. As far as I know, love cannot be an issue. And remember there is no condemnation in Christ. So if He doesn’t condemn then we certainly cannot condemn anyone. Holy Spirit convicts us and teaches us, yes. But we, like Todd is doing now, are to go out and deliver the gospel of who God is, who Jesus is, to love, to heal, to cast out demons, to be a good steward.
In love brother.
Brent I agree!
I’ve read many of the comments on here, probably wasted time, and many people in the beginning have issue with Todd showing those girls love, as though showing them love is somehow agreeing with witchcraft or taking part in their ways, it’s ridiculous. There is a hate conveyed to those girls by some on here covered in a shroud of false godliness. Love is the only way and love is stronger. As an example, there was posts from Job3627 and Nannette up above where there was talk about people shouldn’t always ‘feel’ loved when being talked to about God. I disagree with that. Love is godliness and if someone talks to someone else and that person does not ‘feel’ love then maybe they’re not being talked out of love. And if it’s not love then is it hate masked in a false holiness? I know not everyone will respond to the gospel with love back but will hate you for delivering the gospel but they certainly should feel the love in the message when given. Maybe I’m wrong.
I don’t understand why when the initial article, about Todd praying for and with these witches, as being the issue, that the comments and disagreements turned to issues with the charismatic movement or about other people that Todd is supposedly cohorts with. Like the arguments about Todd weren’t getting anywhere.
And as you were saying, Jesus is our example, your so right! Jesus is Love. His commandment was to love and he showed us how. How much more clearer can it be for people?
God bless brother
Sincerely amazed at how you can write a post on the internet about servants who live their life preaching the gospel. Apostle Paul spoke in regards to this in every single one of his 13 books, yet we still do not understand that we MUST love our brothers and sisters regardless of your opinions on doctrine. For the love of the church you should refrain from causing division! I disagree with many servants, but I cannot fathom cause hurt! Have you not realized that the Pharisees followed and hated Jesus for teaching a completely opposite message than the LAW? if you disagree, and the message you want to portrait is of love, it should show love from ALL sides. Even from the ones you disagree with. It’s time we as a church understand John 13:35 “by this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
In “The Witches” video, Todd points to Jesus around 3:11. Todd White does not point to himself as a savior. And as we mature in our walks we should get closer and closer to becoming love and/or the scripture. If God is love, and He lives in you, you should be love. The written word of God should be played out in your life.
Men of God produce fruit. Todd White is producing fruit. He’s making Jesus famous. Doing the things that Jesus did while he was human is biblical (e.g. John 14)… Jesus said we would do greater things than He did. This means the story continues. Miracles don’t stop in the Bible.
Oh, and the point of Todd praying with the witches to heal the other witch was to show the love and power of God. If you read that one of the 12 did this same thing, you wouldn’t be bashing him. He’s a Christ follower, and you are judging him. Those witches (especially the one that was healed) are going to remember that they encountered a loving God, not a judgmental god. God’s kindness brings repentance. Romans 2 supports this.
By this shall all men know that you are my disciples, if you have love one to another…….J.C (my savior)
Good Morning,
Shouldn’t this be the most important statement of all time be on his website? John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Without believing in Christ as our Savior, many will perish.
There are false teachers who walk the streets and preach, and even who preach in churches. It is by knowing Jesus and his Word that we will be able to tell who is a wolf, ready to devour with lies.
There was once a man who once tried at work to deceive me into believing he had some sort of “powers”, and I’m quoting him, and he grabbed my hand, and said “I know why you are sad.” And he proceeded to tell me why, and that he was a psychic. My response was, “that the Devil is a liar.” He was shocked I said it, and walked away. This man never mentioned Jesus Christ. This man never mentioned how he was Saved by the blood of Jesus…this man never mentioned the Holy Word of God. But because I knew beforehand through the Word of Jesus and prayer, that there will be false many false teachers at the end of days, I was able (all Glory goes to Christ) to reply in the way I did.
Todd White aligns himself with many false teachers, witch crafts as well as Heidi Baker, and many more. We need to use the Word of God, prayer and discernment to weed out who is with Our Lord, and who isn’t.
2 Peter 2:1-3 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
Why do you accuse Todd White of not being a believer? It’s as if you know nothing of him. Stop regurgitating the same talking points of everyone else on here and look into him for yourself. If you haven’t then why do you think you can accurately judge him. There is a stark contrast of who and what Todd White really is and about and what some people are saying about him. Many of these things are just pure lies. I don’t get it, it’s like you’ve never devoted time to get to know his message. I assume you’re comparing him to the experience you had with that person in your story line. Know where someone stands in their walk in Christ firstly and then go from there. I also assume you’re saying that he does not believe in Christ as Savior given your comment that many will perish without believing.
You cite 2 Peter 2:1-3 and since you seem to know what Todd White is saying wrong and what message is wrong, please tell me what those things are. Including: 1. What are his destructive heresies, 2. does he deny Christ, 3. does he love the things of this world more than Christ, 4. Does he teach a way differing than what Christ taught, 5. Does he love money to the point of preaching what others want to hear, itching ears?
I also had looked into his alignments with others. There is no alignment with Heidi Baker other than him being commented on by her which reminds me that I’ve previously commented on the point of do we judge people by what other people do or say or by what they do and say? I’ve said it once and I say it again that Todd is closest associated with Dan Mohler if it matters to you. Not Heidi Baker, Todd Bentley, Patricia King, or Bill Johnson. Just Dan Mohler, Neck Ministries but really Todd is his own ministry now with Lifestyle Christianity and Power and Love Ministries.
I follow what Todd White preaches. He doesn’t claim to be Christ, he doesn’t claim to have powers of his own will, he doesn’t deny Christ or the trinity or the virgin birth, His death, firstfruits resurrection, or being both God and man, or His deity, or Heaven and Hell. Todd confirms these things. He just concentrates his message to preaching Love and who we are through Christ. We should know who we are since God devotes a lot of time to telling us who we are.
Yes I will keep defending Todd because he is a brother in Christ as I have with and would anyone else, unless I see or hear something that is totally not acceptable, definitely not scriptural. I may disagree on theology with some other believers but I still accept them as brothers, so, I don’t mean theological differences either when I say ‘not scriptural’. The basis in Christ is simple, the milk of the gospel is easy to understand and accept. It’s when we get into the meat that it seems differences arise and the accusations start flying. We do judge others and should but should not judge others with a wrong heart as Matthew 7 talks about also John 7:20-24.
Healing others through who we are in Christ IS scriptural.
In Acts 4 the Sadducees commanded Peter and John to stop teaching in the name of Jesus or talking about Him after they healed a lame man in the name of Jesus at the temple. They did this because in Acts 3 The people after seeing they healed the man surrounded Peter and John thinking they did this on their own will. Peter told the people they were ignorant and Acts3:16 “It is his name—that is, by faith in his name—that has healed this man whom you see and know. Yes, the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in the presence of all of you.” Peter then told them to repent.
Healing was not for just the 12 or for the 1st Century Christians as many claim (without supporting scripture), however, it is for ALL BELIEVERS and this is what scripture DOES support.
John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes in me, the works that I do he shall do also; and greater works than these shall he do because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
The Great Commission: Mark 16:14-20 14 Finally he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at the table and upbraided them for their unbelief and hardness of heart because they did not believe those who had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be condemned. 17 And these signs shall follow those that believe: In my name they shall cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take away serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands upon the sick, and they shall be healed. 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God. :20 And they, going forth, preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word with the signs which followed them. Amen.
1Co 12:1-11 1 Now regarding spiritual things, brothers, I would not have you ignore them. 2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles, ye went, even as ye were led, unto the dumb idols. 3 Therefore I give you to understand, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus anathema and that no one can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there is dispersal of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there is dispersal of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there is dispersal of operations, but it is the same God who works all in each one. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one to profit with. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit a word of wisdom; to another, a word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another, faith by the same Spirit; to another, gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 to another, the operation of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, discerning of spirits; to another, different kinds of tongues; to another, the interpretation of tongues: 11 one and the same Spirit operates all these things, dispersing to each one his own gift as he wills.
Healing is a gift from God. As are many others.
1Pe 4:10 Let each one according to the gift that he has received, administer it unto the others, as a good steward of the diverse graces of God.
Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness neither shadow of turning.
Religious institutions with their doctrines (man made doctrine) have made the church impotent. Sound doctrine is in scripture and scripture alone. We’ve been subdued to the point of becoming useless for the pursuit of God’s kingdom. Some of us have become hateful and resentful of church, ourselves, outsiders of the institutional church we’re in (our doctrine). This is sad and warned against in Revelations 1. Let’s not be slothful with the spiritual things God has given us.
In conclusion to this I ask you not to fear people for lack of understanding on their part or yours including the witches that Todd prayed for and with. This was the original article. Love is greater than all this. Jesus is Love and He showed us how. The girls prayed for the other girl in the name of Jesus, they had faith as a mustard seed to even step out and do this. It’s Jesus that gives us our faith and brings us to fruition in it. Hebrews 12:2.
1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God that ye may be able to stand firm against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the lords of this age, rulers of this darkness, against spiritual wickedness in the heavens. 13 Therefore, take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day and stand fast, all the work having been finished.
Even you, Gloria, can DO these things because you have Christ in you! The question is, do you believe it?
Dear Zach
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You asked:
1. What are his destructive heresies, 2. does he deny Christ, 3. does he love the things of this world more than Christ, 4. Does he teach a way differing than what Christ taught.
My comment:
Your question 1 to 4 san be summarised. Do anybody get saved by faith in “Jesus”? Yes, as long as they do not believe in a “different Jesus”. Paul the Apostle warns us in 2.Corinthians 11:4.
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
We must be able to debate topic, without getting personal. Since we have a biblical warning against copy-cats, we need discernment to identify them. And obviously. When they are identified, we need to issue a stern warning against them.
I have written av article, that might be useful. So we can continue to have an contructive debate.
Zach,
Your comment: I assume you’re comparing him to the experience you had with that person in your story line. Know where someone stands in their walk in Christ firstly and then go from there. I also assume you’re saying that he does not believe in Christ as Savior given your comment that many will perish without believing.
My comment: I do not believe in the false jesus the likes of Hedi Baker, Todd White, and other false teachers believe. I have read on what Todd White preaches, I have heard of what Todd White preaches. I can make my conclusions from there, based on the fact that I believe in Jesus Christ Our Savior.
I relayed my experience, because Todd reminded me of that same man.
Did you know that Todd says in one of his teachings, “I read the Bible not so I can preach a sermon;” “I don’t read the Bible so I can teach you-never read your Bible so you can teach people!”
I think that’s a pretty clear explanation of a man giving you false words. Todd also says, and I quote, “All creation is groaning for you to manifest who you’ve been created to be! All creation is waiting for the sons of man to be made manifest!”
Did you know the “manifestation” teaching came from the Latter Rain movement?
There are many who come on this site and other sites and throw around, “we must not judge.”
But What does the Word of God say? Romans 16:17 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
I can continue and give you many more verses. The Word of God is clear.
Ivar, your answer is generic. What is different about ‘Todd’s Jesus’? It’s as if I’m posting and no one is genuinely reading and understanding. I also believe this debate would be constructive if there actually was a debate. When questions or rebuttals are made it is useful to reply with answers directed to specifically answer the question or to rebut another rebuttal with something relavent to the topic.
Gloria, your argument against Todd about why he reads the Bible, I also do not read the Bible to teach though I share the gospel with others and talk about Jesus. Your not understanding relationship with God and fellowship. We are sons of God and so because of that we do His will. I would hope my pastor doesn’t read the Bible to teach either, I hope he reads it so he has understanding, to have understanding of who God is, who we are so that when he gets up to preach he can preach with wisdom knowing his relationship with God and being able to answer mine and others questions. But that withstanding, I don’t know why that proves he’s a false teacher.
Your experience with the guy in the story you shared is not comparable to Todd, Todds not a psychic. Though words of knowledge is another gift described in scripture.
Did either of you read the scriptures I posted? There are more I didn’t post. What are your explanations to those scriptures? What do those scriptures tell you? What do they mean to you?
As far as Todd talking about manifestation.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest hope of the creatures waits for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20 For the creatures were subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who has subjected them, 21 with the hope that the same creatures shall be delivered from the slavery of corruption into the glorious liberty of the sons of God. 22 For we now know that all the creatures groan together and travail in pain together until now. 23 And not only they, but ourselves also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, that is to say, the redemption of our body.
All creatures, including unsaved humans since we are created, groan for the manifestation of the sons of God. He also says that we who are saved also groan for the adoption. The manifestation of the sons of God is not referring to the sons of God adoption because in the next verses he says the creatures wait to be delivered into liberty by the sons of God.
I’m also not ‘throwing around’ that we shouldn’t judge. Apparently you didn’t read my post maybe just what you wanted I guess because I did not say that. I did say not to judge with a wrong heart. I cited scripture.?
So in the end here, neither of you can really show that Todd has a ‘different Jesus’ and the replies I’ve read so far are peripheral, not meaning anything and meant to deviate from the direct questions I keep asking on here.
Also, my replies are direct and meant to be quick as possible to ask and answer and are not meant as personal attacks. I’m sorry if you feel so. I’m not offended by anyone else’s posts on here, whether they’re meant to be offensive or not, it doesn’t matter. I also feel I need to extend a digital hug to you guys too.
In Love.
Dear Zach
Shalom and love in Jesus.
First to the authority of the Bible. If you are an Evangelical Christian, you will agree with me: The Bible, alone, is the highest authority in all matters related to the Christian faith. But the Bible is not the only authority.
Second: The scriptures is useful for teaching, also. The Bible stories are more than sufficient, to bring the Holy Spirt into the precense of all who listen. When I start telling others about what Jesus has done in my life, the words I use will not become void and useless. But frankly: My stories can only be used as examples, confirming the scriptures to be true. Not to bring into the Church, any unknown super-revelations.
This is a classic error made by followers of false Messiah’s. What these men claim they have done, or what have been revealed to them, adds to scriptures.
Todd White is like many men in the Charismatic Pentecostal movement. Story-tellers, who highlight them selves. Their testmonies can most likely not be cross-checked, or scruitinized. A lot of masala is often added, to juice up the show.
Todd White has learned from Bethel in Reading. Bill Johnson also present the same copy-cat Jesus. A Messiah who is not fully God, not always God, not God eternal. They both teach that “Jesus” was once just an ordinary man, who had to be anointed with the Holy Spirit to do all his miracles. We have to warn aginst men, who claim God can cease to be God, and later become God again. Many people worship spirits they claim to be the Holy Spirit, and only use the name of “Jesus” to pray too, or a name they use in their defense of their religious ideology.
Bill Johnson and Todd White’s “Messiah” is one of the gnostic copies. The most common gnostic error, is the claim of the dual nature of the Messiah. That he has to different natures. “Jesus” was for some time, only a man. Not God. This kind of heretic doctrine has poluted the Church since its infancy. Some men do never learn, but continue their walk down the path towards destruction. I hope and pray both Tood White and Bill Johnson will repent, before its too late.
Ivar,
Here is a link to a YouTube video of Todd White telling us what he believes.
You’ll see that your assumption of what Todd believes is wrong. Like I’ve already posted, he is not from Bethel or Bill Johnson. He was lead by Dan Mohler.
I hope you watch the whole thing.
Dear Zach
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I watched your link with Tood Whites understanding of who “Jesus” is, and his relationship with the “Holy Spirit”. And what I told you is confirmed. Todd White present a gnostic copy of the Messiah. The road of errors will be long and painfull.
You can look at the video-link one more time. I have marked the minutes of the worst errors persented by Todd White.
(1.13). Jesus did not live as God on the Earth.
(4.30). Jesus was born as a man. Not as God. He is God’s son.
(9.53.) Jesus goes to Hell.
(14.16). Without the holy Spirit we do not have the same equipment as Jesus had.
(14.30). Jesus could do everything with God.
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That Jesus was not born as God, did not live as God on the Earth, is classical gnostisism. This copy of the true Jesus has a dual personality. Obviously, at the time when Tood’s copy of Jesus was not God, the Messiah was in need of a baptism in the Holy Spirit. This is the error of all who proclaim the “Little Messiah” tehology of the Word of Faith movement. That we are all small Messias’s, when we have got the anointing.
That Jesus was sendt to Hell, is outright blasphemy. This is the Death Thrugh Spirit (DTS) doctrine of Hagin. Copeland and Hinn. Their “Jesus” paid for our sins in Hell, and was “born again” in Hell. To claim that the Messiah resurrected from Hell, is as satanic as all kinds of religious stuff. Their Messiah of Todd White is simply a mortal man, who has been sendt to us from the bottomless pit. And was anointed by the Holy Spirit, to be able to perform mircales.
The truth is that Jesus is God. Always. All the time. When Jesus comes in the flesh, He is also a man. God becomes an infant. Helpless, in the arms of his virgin mother. If you can grasp this, you might be able to accept the true Jesus as your God and saviour.
Good Afternoon Todd, You said: “It’s as if I’m posting and no one is genuinely reading and understanding.”
My comment: Don’t assume we’re not reading. You want us to understand your way of thinking, but we can continue to disagree respectfully.
Your comment: Gloria, your argument against Todd about why he reads the Bible, I also do not read the Bible to teach though I share the gospel with others and talk about Jesus. Your not understanding relationship with God and fellowship.
My comment: Hebrews 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
I disagree with you. The Holy Word of God has numerous verses that show we can learn and teach. I’ve taught my own children, and there have been teachers and pastors who have taught me, as well as the Lord revealing his Word. Here’s another one: Matthew 28:19-20 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
Your comment: Your experience with the guy in the story you shared is not comparable to Todd, Todds not a psychic. Though words of knowledge is another gift described in scripture.
My comment to that one is: Both men speak/spoke about different Jesus, other than the one the only one who can Save.
Let’s speak for a moment on manifestation. I quoted Todd with “All creation is groaning for you to manifest who you’ve been created to be! All creation is waiting for the sons of man to be made manifest!”
And my question to you was, “Did you know the “manifestation” teaching came from the Latter Rain movement?”
I wrote an article in 2012 of the William Brannon who followed the Latter rain movement. If you’d like you can read it here: https://ivarfjeld.com/2012/10/12/a-false-prophet-and-liar-exposed-william-branham/
You also speak of Romans 8:19-23 as a basis for the manifestations of the sons of God. The entire creation suffers because of man’s fall into sin, war, famine, disease etc. I believe Paul is telling us that the world entirely groans as it waits for salvation for God’s people, that will set off the corruption to which all creation has been subject to since the beginning-Adam and Eve.
Now if we take several more verses of Romans 8, the meaning is clearer:
Present Suffering and Future Glory
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
The beginning of those verses is titled: Present Suffering and Future Glory. It is clear that our reward is in Heaven with our Lord Jesus Christ.
God Bless.
So we are to read the bible to teach others? Or are we to read the bible to understand our relationship with him? I say it’s for understanding who we are. Then after we know who we are, we are saved, are born again then we move on to teaching others about God by being a pastor, leader in church, or an everyday Christian. I just see the view that the only reason we read the bible is to teach others as sort of shallow. Where is someone’s heart and walk with God if they think they should be reading to teach. I want a relationship with God and then I’ll see where He takes me and I then can help others in their walk. That is how I see it.
Refering to:
My comment to that one is: Both men speak/spoke about different Jesus, other than the one the only one who can Save.
I still have not heard from you or Ivar or have seen from previous posts WHY Todd preaches another Jesus. Please help me understand WHY you say he has another Jesus. This is why I’m still typing on here, I’m waiting to see what the reason is.
Back to the manifestations thing.I was only citing scripture showing that manifestation of the saints is spoken of in scripture. I’m not familiar with latter rain movements. You see I like to read scripture and understand what it is saying. I don’t take other peoples word for what scripture says. If I hear someone cite something I’ll go back and read it for myself. So I don’t know what you mean about manifestations is a latter rain thing when it is in scripture. I cited the same passages that you later cited and I must be reading it with a different understanding than you I guess. I would not necessarily consider the titling of the passages as something to take as scripture either as that is a persons view on the topic. However 1Cor 12 talks about the manifestation of the Spirit in gifts. 2 Cor 4 talks about manifesting the truth. I guess I don’t get why what Todd supposedly said about creation, is waiting for us to manifest who we were created to be, is somehow not right, I don’t see it. And so this makes him a false teacher preaching another Jesus?
And then after all of this. I still ask about:
John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes in me, the works that I do he shall do also; and greater works than these shall he do because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Mark 16:14-20 14 Finally he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at the table and upbraided them for their unbelief and hardness of heart because they did not believe those who had seen him after he was risen. 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be condemned. 17 And these signs shall follow those that believe: In my name they shall cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 they shall take away serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands upon the sick, and they shall be healed. 19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God. :20 And they, going forth, preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word with the signs which followed them. Amen.
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In Acts 4 the Sadducees commanded Peter and John to stop teaching in the name of Jesus or talking about Him after they healed a lame man in the name of Jesus at the temple. They did this because in Acts 3 The people after seeing they healed the man surrounded Peter and John thinking they did this on their own will. Peter told the people they were ignorant and Acts3:16 “It is his name—that is, by faith in his name—that has healed this man whom you see and know. Yes, the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in the presence of all of you.” Peter then told them to repent.
These scripture in addition to the others shows me another teaching than what you’ve been told.
Listen, I’m not attacking you, but really see what I’m showing you from scripture. Read 1Cor 2.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith should not be founded in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. …..
1Co 2:12 Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, that we might know the things that God has given us. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teaches, but with doctrine of the Holy Spirit, jointly fitting spiritual things by spiritual means. 14 But the natural man does not perceive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he that is spiritual discerns all things, yet he is discerned by no one. 16 For who has known the understanding of the Lord? Who has instructed him? But we have the understanding of Christ.
Here Paul is talking again about the spiritual things that God has given us. Then later on he goes on to tell us about the gifts of the Spirit.
1Co 12:1-11 1 Now regarding spiritual things, brothers, I would not have you ignore them. 2 Ye know that when ye were Gentiles, ye went, even as ye were led, unto the dumb idols. 3 Therefore I give you to understand, that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus anathema and that no one can call Jesus Lord but by the Holy Spirit. 4 Now there is dispersal of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there is dispersal of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there is dispersal of operations, but it is the same God who works all in each one. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one to profit with. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit a word of wisdom; to another, a word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another, faith by the same Spirit; to another, gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 to another, the operation of miracles; to another, prophecy; to another, discerning of spirits; to another, different kinds of tongues; to another, the interpretation of tongues: 11 one and the same Spirit operates all these things, dispersing to each one his own gift as he wills.
So if because Todd teaches others about the gifts of the Spirit and about Love and Jesus being Love and that we should also be Love because we have Jesus in us, that that proves he teaches another Jesus, then I just cannot come to an agreement with that.
So it comes down to who of us is lying. Am I lying about Todd when I say he believes in Jesus Christ or are you when you say Todd does not believe in Jesus Christ?
Hey Gloria, I also notice you addressed me as Todd. Not sure if that was by accident or not. I can assure you my name is Zach.
I apologize for addressing you as Todd. My mistake.
If a man of God prays for witches for their deliverance and salvation, what is the problem ? I really don’t get why this post
is claiming Todd White is evil because he prays for the unsaved. It is pure nonsense. Didn’t Jesus pray for the man possessed
by a legion of demons? Didn’t Jesus consort with all types of sinners to the point where the Pharisees asked ” If He knew what type of woman she was He would not associate with her” ? Why is this man being defamed for praying for witches that need to hear the word of God?
Dear Orlando clemente.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
The devil is to find in the details. The problem with men like Todd White, is not that he prayes FOR. The problem is that he dont mind praying WITH. He prayed WITH a witch, for delivery of a third person. Is that ok for you?
By the way Todd talks, he wouldn’t at all be offended by what was said against him. He would still love you All! I will support anyone who loves others out of love from his Father. Oh, by the way, we have the same father!
Dear Rebekah
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
By the way Todd talks, he wouldn’t at all be offended by what was said against him. He would still love you All!
My reply:
I have notthing against Todd White as a person. There are many kind persons in the World, hundreds of millions of them not Christians. What I want to to debate, is if White present to us a gnostic copy of Jesus. If so, he will be in need of deliverance.
Ivar,
You stated, and I quote, ” Not doing any professional background research, the 24 hour ‘Christian’ TV channel ‘Visjon Norge’ promoted him. And the Christian daily and weekly followed suit.” You never listed any factual evidence about Todd or his ministry to prove him false; in fact, what “background research” have you conducted leading you to such damning conclusion? If anything, I would say, respectfully, and in Love, that you are the one that has not educated yourself properly on this man. After conducting thorough research myself, following The Spirit, and listening to numerous teachings and sermons from Todd and others closely affiliated, I can assure you, they do most certainly teach The Fear Of God, repentance, and salvation. Actually, that is almost ALL that they teach on. Their mission statement does not neglect these things. God is Love, is it not so? Is not God His own Word? So by becoming Love, you are becoming more like God, thus, more like His Holy Word — all inclusive of The Fear Of The Lord, repentance, salvation, etc.
Todd’s actions in the story he told regarding the witches was not sinful. In fact, I would say this was a great example of Jesus’ power above all other gods, that would draw them from belief in many other gods who cannot compare to Almighty YHWH. It also displayed to them God’s unbiased Love for them, seeing that He would exercise His power through the woman, only in Jesus’ Name, to heal her friend. At the end of the day, her friend was healed IN JESUS’ MIGHTY NAME. All Glory was responsibly given to God and no other.
Brothers and Sisters, I do not speak these things in contention, but rather, in Love, and in Hope that you would all be enlightened by The Spirit. We all receive a certain measure of discernment from The Holy Spirit when we receive Him that He may guide our path. If you only take peoples’ word for it who claim to have the gift of discernment, is not your own, along with their, opinion biased and not based either in Spirit or in Truth? I am not saying that the gift of discerning of spirits in no effectually active, but I am saying that we are to test the spirits. You shall know them by the fruit they bear. Show me one IRREFUTABLY rotten fruit from Todd and His ministry, and I will recant all which I have said.
Once again, all in Love,
S.C. Anderson
I never knew anything about him, except his ridiculous “look at me, I’m not a racist” hair!!! He sounds very “politically correct” to me… Thanks for exposing this clown.
so what are YOU doing for Christ???..how many people have you personally led to HIm??how many people have you prayed for and seen healed, delivered, set free, come to Christ??..What gives you the right to JUDGE anothers walk with God??..just because you dont believe that someone should pray with a witch for someone else?? Its not up to you..It is up the God..He says when, where, and who..Do you think that Jesus is so small that he cannot protect??are you afraid??then you wouldnt do it..but just because praying with a witch frightens you..does not mean that if Jesus wants to show himself to an unbeliever..any way shape or form..it is not up to you..you do not have the right to dictate that something is wrong..there is not 1 scripture that lists who you should pray with concerning another??you do not know what that prayer did for that witch..perhaps it awoke in her something that Jesus could use to draw her closer to him and away from the darkness..if you cant back up your beliefs with scripture stating that it is forbidden and why..then please take a look at your own motives..God Bless..
I honestly don’t know why you argue with Todd white followers. They have elevated Todd white higher than Jesus himself. The healing is that you see on YouTube videos are not real for the most part and he doesn’t preach a salvation message. He preaches a universalism message that basically God loves every body no matter what they do even if they hate God himself and reject his son Jesus. The Bible makes it very clear that God turns his face against workers of unrighteousness. He will only listen to someone who has repented of their sin and put their faith in Jesus Christ as the only way of salvation. He has done more to hurt the gospel of Jesus Christ. Peter Cabrera Junior is another one of these fake healers that doesn’t preach the true gospel. They are all part of this new last reformation movement that has made its big pitch on YouTube. It all has to do with what the Bible says about signs and wonders in the last days deceiving many. The problem is the signs and wonders are false and not real. No one wants to listen to the true doctrine of the Bible, they would rather feel good and listen to ministers with itching ears.
Dear Keith
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for this comment. Thanks for ministering to the deceived souls, who promote a man like Todd White. Keep on praying for their deliverance.
Dear LYNETTE LEE ROBERTS
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You asked:
so what are YOU doing for Christ???..how many people have you personally led to HIm??
My reply:
Your comment seems to be based in the classical fake gospel of works. And it missed my point. That there are people misusings the name of Jesus. If Todd White preach that “Jesus just walked the Earth as a man”, he is a liar. And no-one should listen to his message. Second: People who are being headled, are of all faiths and colors. A “miracle” of healing to do prove anything, but that healing is a part of the creational order. Still I thank Jesus the Messiah for all who are being healed. I dont desire that anyone should remain sick. Amen.
you still not answer my question?? and NO it is not about “works” it is about relationship..and these signs shall follow those that believe..but not just believe..spend time with Him..talk to him..lay all of your cares upon him for he cares for you.. How many Christians out there today are teaching “relationship”…???..following the leading of the Holy Spirit..or even know His voice??..much less are willing to “do” anything Jesus said to do..”preach the gospel ” cast out demons.. lay hands on the sick..pray one for another…fellowship..more than just on sunday..or saturday for some..so unless you are doing all that Jesus said we should be doing..and the signs following you are are of Him..then my point is..you are entitled to your opinion..but if it is based in what you are taught rather than what you have learned on your knees then it is just that..an opinion not based in personal relationship..and your judgement is unfair..
Dear LYNETTE LEE ROBERTS
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Are you willing to debate the issue of ” A different Jesus” ? If you present a copy-cat of the true Jesus, what kind of relationship do you have?
I do not preach a gospel of works. Neither do I boost of my works. Still I can give you a long list of what I have done in my relatiosnhip with Jesus of the Bible. He is always God. Eternally. In flesh, also God. Fully man and fully God in one and the same person.
Sadly my friend, it is clear that you have completely missed Tod’s whole point. You have cherry picked the one moment out of his message (inviting the withes to pray for the healing of their witch sister with him) out of context just like false preachers who for the sake of some pet doctrine or opinion like to present scriptures out of their context, thus twisting their meaning into a lie. You seem to forget, that they were not praying in tongues, or using some formula of prayer of common ground between witchcraft and Christianity, but using the almighty name of Jesus Christ before which name if you recall the scriptures affirm every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that He is LORD. I am truly sorry that it offends you that the Savior loves those three girls as much as He loves you or I, but that doesn’t stop the fire of the Holy Spirit that seems to be sizzling the works of darkness in any kind of stronghold of the devil in our society, into which this brave disciple of Jesus enters, not to demonstrate some spiritual skill or invention, but the power of God found in that mighty name above all names. He is actually doing what we all should be doing if we were obedient to the call to co- partner with the Savior of all people. I think you need to publicly apologize for your judgmental smear, and instead start to rejoice in the obvious fruit of evangelistic increase to the whole church this mans ministry is achieving. Like Jesus, he does not restrict himself to a comparatively cushy life of a pulpit ministry, but goes into the highways and the byways to seek and save the lost, not in his name but in JESUS NAME.
Ahhh, all your post did was confirm White as true to the Word. Thanks.
I like what Dan and Todd are doing. All sickness is of hell or else the messiah wouldn’t have healed anyone for it would have been against his father’s will. The bible also states that devils can’t cast out devil’s so, if sickness is from hell then the kingdom of hell can’t remove it.
I believe what you are witnessing is exactly what the messiah commanded us to do.
Dear Daniel
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
All sickness is of hell or else the messiah wouldn’t have healed anyone for it would have been against his father’s will.
My comment:
This is a nice opinion. But is it biblical? You should rather read the Bible, than accept what “Dan and Todd” is presenting as truth.
God of the Bible, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, can “set sickness” on anyone They desire. And there are multiple examples in the Bible. One God. Three in One.
Deuteronomy 32:39
‘See now that I myself am he! There is no god besides me. I put to death and I bring to life, I have wounded and I will heal, and no one can deliver out of my hand.
Deuteronomy 28:61
The Lord will also bring on you every kind of sickness and disaster not recorded in this Book of the Law, until you are destroyed.
(end of scriptures)
The preachers of copy-cat “Jesus” try to portray “God of the Old Testament” as evil. And that Jesus exposed to us who the father really is. Such men are delusional, false teachers who do not understand that Jesus is eternally God. He is there also in the Old Testament. Always.
Read about Job. Jesus permitted Satan to kill Jobs family members. Read about Paul. Who had a torn in his flesh, a messanger from Satan. And Father, Son and Holy Spirit refused to deliver Paul. That is love. That is God almighty, Who we all better fear.
Jesus the Messiah has all powers in Heaven and Earth. Also the power to heal. He healed because He had compassion on people. And to fulfill the Prohecies, that the Messiah has power to performe miracles. We do not deserve to he healed. Neither can we order Jesus to do anything. We must humble our selves, and ask for His mercy and grace.
Show me where Jesus told anyone to fear Him? Who did He not show compassion to? The only people can see he rebuked was the religious leaders. Those who spoke in the dame manor….. He stated….
◄ Matthew 23:13 ►
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
FALSE PROFITS…..
1 John 4
Test the Spirits
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. ********************2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, *********************
3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
Matthew 7:1-5King
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
It is not our place to convert people. We cannot save anyone.
◄ John 6:44 ►
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
◄ John 13:35
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”
LET GOD BE GOD… HE HAS GOT IT ALL FIGURED OUT……
You wanted scripture where Jesus warned about fearing God? Well, here it is!!!!! You need to learn your bible…
Matthew 10:28 KJV
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Dear Keith
Shaloma and love in Jesus.
Thanks for ministring on News That Matters. There are many who have made “Jesus” into a Santa. They are basically following an idol, a false Messiah. The Psalm, whom a lot of false Christians reject, clearly warns us: Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. A lot of people, who claim to be born again, need to read Matthew 7:21-23 all over again. “I NEVER, knew you”. The mother of all shooks. But they have been warned, by people like me and you. But they refused to listen, and rejected plain truth about the nature and character of God.
One of his recent videos he said it’s a lie that Jesus died for your sins he died because you are worth it. He is leading many astray I pray he comes to a true saving knowledge of Christ
Dear dividens and hobbies.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
Todd White is a dangerous deceiver of the flock. To claim that humans are “worthy of salvation”, is human philosophy. During the flood, God loved the World so much, that he drowned us all, (minus the family of Noah) because of our wickedness, violence, shame and sins.
The “gospel” of Todd White is based on gnostic theology. The idea that “jesus” was just a man, just like us. We can also be anointed amd be like him. Todd and his false teachers caims that “Jesus” was in need to the anointing of the Holy Ghost, to performe miracles and wonders. This is a damnable lie. Jesis IS GOD. Always, and Eternally. Also when the Messiah was born, also when He walked in the flesh on the face of the Earth.
If one Christian thinks that his understanding of God, of Word, of God’s will and of the way of serving the God is better (more correct) than some other Christian’s understanding and moreover if that Christian starts public debate in this matter – o man there is something rly wrong about it.
This is somehow similar to what Jesus faced in His life. Jesus faced evil plots. The motive appears to be envy (a sin the religious are prone to). People were envious of Jesus because he had so many followers and seemed to be more ‘successful’ than the religious leaders. Out of envy, the chief priests and the Pharisees called a meeting of the Sanhedrin (John 11:47a).
It does not matter if there might be mistakes and holes in Todd’s understanding and teaching, or mistakes in the ways he acts. What matters is to understand that God has individual relationship with each Christian, not universal one. And what matters is that Todd speaks and acts in the name of Jesus.
By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, – 1 John 4:2
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother. I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean. – Romans 14:1,13,14
Dear Marko.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You only confirm, that many claimed to be “Christians” are not willing to debate core doctrines. Anyone who claim to work for “Jesus” is welcomed. And off you go, into deceptions. Again, and again. This is why you all accept the Pope. Because he also talk about Jesus, and claim to represent him on the face of the Earth.
Jesus loves You. One thing is to debate the core doctrines and another thing is to “crucify” (in public) the brother because his beliefs and because the ways he acts in his beliefs.
I love You, brother!
Dear Marko.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Noone love Todd White more than me, besides Jesus the Messiah. I love him enough to tel him, and his followers, that they have walked into deception. In Christian terms: This is love. Plain and simple.
Lets use Paul the apostle as an example. Paul warns about false bretheren, who have harmed him and his work. In Galatians, chanter, one, Paul even curse people who preach a different gospel. To claim that Jesus was not God, when he was birthed into human nature, is a damnable herecy. Jesus is fully God. Always. Birthed into flesh, He is fully man and fylly God.
Brother, these are Paul’s words: “As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother”.
Paul didn’t curse anyone. In Galatians 1 he says to ‘let them be accursed’ meaning that by preaching another gospel they curse themselves. Paul tells us to ‘bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them’. Jesus taught to bless those who curse you. Paul would be contradicting himself if he was cursing people, especially since he preaches love above all else.
Apart from this cursing, the other ‘gospel’ being preached was work based, that you had to do something to be saved. Works for salvation is the stumbling stone. If you continue reading Galatians it is clear that this was the other gospel being taught. What Paul is warning against in most of his epistles is this very thing, works for salvation is the stumbling stone, it’s how we fall from grace. Where as the simple truth is pure faith is what saves.
Again I’ll say that Todd White does not preach works based salvation.
I’ll also reply to this:
Todd never said that Jesus was not God. What He said was that in the beginning of Jesus’ first 30 years before his ministry he lived as a man not as God. He explains Jesus also grew in stature and favor with man and God. Then, when he was baptized by John, this is when his ministry began and he lived as God going about preaching and doing miracles and healing people. Todd knows that Jesus is both fully man and God.
I saw the video you made with snippets of video of Todd explaining what he understands in the gospels. These are pieces of video that are taken out of the context of what was being said, it’s deceiving. Brother I beg you to stop this ‘attacking’. Please just stop.
I don’t hate you and I don’t curse you. Your ways of rebuking are wrong and misplaced. The ways of the Spirit are to be opened in understanding more and more to you. What I do for Todd on this site is what I would do on another site that may attack your ways or beliefs. I see you’re very zealous for God and love Him, awesome! Be blessed and strengthened in Jesus’ name!
Dear Zach
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for this comment.
All that needs to be done, to end this conversation, is that Todd and his supporters, confirm that they belive in classical Christian biblical docrines. Like.
1. God is eternal. Can not seize to be God.
2. Jesus is God. Always God.
3. Jesus was God, as He was birthed, and became an infant. Fully God and fully man in one person.
I also hope and pray, that Todd will stand on the lessons of the Reformation. That He will tell Roman Catholics to repent from their heretic doctrines, and stop their worship of Mary and the Pope. The Reformers of the Church did not consider the Pope to be a Christian leader, but rather an antichrist in the flesh.
Amen, I couldn’t agree more! Anyone can look at Todd White and see “something ain’t right”, whether you know anything about his beliefs or not. (But of course, I’m sure all of you are far more familiar with him than I am.) But the bottom line is this: Todd White has fooled many, many people. I was shocked to learn he recently spoke at the Bible school I attended when I was young(er), (I think they’d have enough discernment to keep him away back when I attended.) But you could see in the student’s faces, they were drinking up his every word! Todd White is pathetic.
I stopped trying to ‘convince’ this site that their view and accusations of Todd are wrong. But I’ll post this as a cry out to love. I hate how some Christians attack other Christians. These comments about Todd on this site and other sites where we’re at each other’s throats over opinions and tearing down people is just wrong. Anything that doesn’t deny Christ is an opinion. Read Romans 14 and understand it’s not just about food it’s about everything, in fact read the whole book, carefully.
We’re under the gospel that Paul preached and definitely not under the law of the OT or judgement of the OT. The other apostles were still speaking to Israel up until Stephen was stoned in Acts 7 which is when the leaders rejected Christ by the Holy Spirit, the third time; they rejected the Son in the flesh and the Father through John the Baptist, these were the first and second times. This is when God moved towards the Gentiles through Paul, the final word. It’s all about love. Perfect love casts out fear. There is no more fear to be had until His return, which is soon to come. Stop attacking things you don’t understand. If you walk by the Spirit you will understand. If you’re still allowing the flesh to control you, turn away and ask God to help you see things His way, which is to walk by His Spirit in you. Love, joy, patience, kindness, meekness, goodness, faithfulness, humility, self control, strive for these, for the Kingdom of God!
Here’s a prophesy by Mark Taylor, his latest one. I really think it speaks to these times.
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03-03-17
Spiritual Treason
The Spirit of God says, “Why are My people attacking one another? Why are My people engaging in friendly fire? Friendly fire will not be tolerated! Just because you disagree with that person doesn’t give you the right to murder that person with your words. “Thou shall not murder!” Repent! You will be held accountable for every word you speak. The religious, legalistic and critical spirits that are on My people are creating division and chaos. Can you not see that you are being used by the Kingdom of Darkness? You are aiding the enemy! How can you take on an enemy that you are a part of? You are using My written word as an intellectual weapon against My people. You Brood of Vipers! My written word was meant to be wielded against the enemy not the people of God. Repent, you who commit Spiritual Treason! You think because you know my written word that you know Me, but your hearts are far from Me. Your intellect, your so called knowledge, has created a spiritual arrogance, and your pride is separating you from Me. lf the written word was alive in you, you would not use it to attack My people. Repent!”
The Spirit of God says, ‘Where is the sound of unity? Where is the mercy and grace that I have shown you? Why are you not showing it to others? Why has your love grown cold? Put your petty differences aside. My love is unconditional. Love each other deeply. Love covers a multitude of sins and My mercy endures forever. The love, mercy, grace, and unity that I am looking for will be what it takes in these days ahead to push gospel go These attributes are back the forces of darkness so My can forth. what’s needed to be a part of my Army. I am looking for men and women of God to put their differences aside, come together in unity, for this common cause in fonvarding My Kingdom. My Army is making great strides against the Kingdom of Darkness! Taking ground! Holding ground! They will be an unstoppable force in the days ahead. Unify, unify, unify! I am calling on My troops to unify now!
-Mark Taylor
http://www.sordrescue.com
Zack,
The Word of God says: 1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
I have been at blog for a few years, off and on. There are quite a few who will always say they are being “attacked” because we disagree. I believe teaching the Word of God should be done respectfully, but do not confuse that with anyone who believes that the Word of God is true, and can defend it against the likes of Benny Hinn, Murdoch, and Todd etc. should sit down quietly as lies are being preached.
I won’t sit by and simply remain “content” and hear lies and see lies that are being preached/performed. Jesus has given us the authority through him to rebuke, and teach.
2 Timothy 4:1-22 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. …
God Bless,
Gloria
Hi! You can call me by my online name “Lords follower”. And well governing Todd white? I do discern certain things that he has said at times that are not fully in line with the fullness of scriptures? And I am fully aware of bethel church. Which I believe falls under the influence of the demonic kundalini spirit! But I dont go so far as to call Todd white a false teacher? He is in the state of progressive growth. And its Jesus who grows all of us in wisdom and understanding! But concerning Todd white? I have at times followed his teachings? But I much much more follow his friends teachings “Dan mohler’. And concerning Dan mohler? I watched many of his teachings? Not just a few? And by doing that I have gained a full perspective of where Dan mohler is coming from? And what he is really teaching and saying? And concerning Dan mohler? Everything he says and teaches is point on with the fullness of scriptures! But with Todd white I wish I could say the same? But I cant. Thank you! God bless you!
Well said.
For anyone still not convinced of Todd White’s REAL allegiance, I suggest you watch the short video: “Is Todd White a Vatican Puppet? Watch him flash the devil sign!”… here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-tA3FI3sm8 And please notice that he is talking about Jesus going down into Hell when he flashes the devil-horn hand sign, something that cannot be done “accidentally”.
We know somebody by fruits. Is your speetch full of love or not. We cant fake love.And Jesus teached us mercy. If we dont walk in love our gifts from god are priceless. I know that you dont understand truth but I hope that God opens Your eyes to see that , see Him, Jesus more clearly.
Todd White Flips the Gospel Upside Down http://www.piratechristian.com/messedupchurch/2016/12/todd-white-flips-the-gospel-upside-down
Thanks for this article ivarfjeld
You are very articulate and handle the comments well
Thought I’d let you know that this article is still getting read (01/2019) but some of us …. better-late-than-never people who are only now coming to the full realization of the extent of the apostasy /full rebellion from the laws of God.
May Jesus Bless You