Muslims threw Christians overboard

12 Christians have been martyred. 15 Muslim “refugees” have been charged with “multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate,”

Christians are martyred in the Muslim world. Also at sea during their bid to escape the horrors.
Christians are martyred in the Muslim world. Also at sea during their bid to escape the horrors.

Italian police arrested 15 Muslim migrants who survivors said tossed 12 Christians from a boat during a recent Mediterranean crossing attempt. In a separate incident, 41 migrants were feared drowned as the situation in the region intensifies.

The police in Italy have charged 15 Muslims with manslaughter of 12 Christians.
The police in Italy have charged 15 Muslims with manslaughter of 12 Christians.

The Muslim migrants involved in the clash with Christians were arrested in the Sicilian city of Palmero and charged with “multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate,” police said in a statement Thursday, according to the BBC. The victims were from Nigeria and Ghana. The suspects were from Ivory Coast, Mali and Senegal.

Police learned of the incident through interviews with survivors, who said they boarded a rubber boat Tuesday off the Libyan coast with 105 passengers aboard, the Associated Press reported. The surviving Christians were able to remain onboard only by forming a “human chain” to resist the assault, police said.

Source: USA Today

My comment:

The Islamic religious war against Christians started in 600 A.D. An Arab named Muhammad ordered all his followers to fight a “holy war” against all who refused to summit to “allah”, who has no Son.

In most nations ruled by Muslims, there are hardly any Christians left. They have been slain and martyred because of their testimony about Jesus.  These 12 victims of the Mediterranean Jihad might be former Muslims who have recently come to faith in the Messiah, despite fatwas and death penalties.

The martyrs in the past cries out to Jesus to revenge their blood, and to bring stern judgment on the Earth.

  Revelation 6:9

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,were killed just as they had been.

The mass movement of Muslims into Europe is an apocalyptic move, a part of the Great Tribulation.

If you think that the full book of Revelation shall be revealed after the Church has been raptured, you basically miss out on what taken place just beyond the tip of your nose. That the last battles between Jesus and Satan have already begun.

All true Christians must get involved. We must move out of religious clubs, and our own comfort zone.  Suffering brothers and sisters who continue to obey and witness about the true Messiah, are everywhere. They need our active support.

Are you sitting in your lukewarm seat, and feel you will escape to a man made promise of a “wedding feast in Heaven”.  If you remain lukewarm, you will not escape God’s eternal wrath. As a fruitless religious person, you will be casted into the fire of Hell. Please repent, and pray for the Power of the Holy Spirit to come and guide you.

Do not worry. Death is a gain, and eternal life a free gift. The martyrs will come back to life, and reign with Jesus the Messiah for a thousand years.

Written by Ivar

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24 thoughts on “Muslims threw Christians overboard

  1. I do not believe the martyrs will come back to life on earth ,they have eternal life in GOD,S kingdom of heaven and they will not reign with JESUS AS JESUS REIGNS WITH GOD,

  2. No job,i just look at other scriptures that also allude to a more symbolic ethos rather than taking it the basic literal way,And also taking into account that many whom follow in JESUS teaching and are good and righteous but not martyrs will also reign after 1000yrs,When satan is defeated and GOD himself will reign with JESUS on a new earth as all that is old will fall away

    1. Dear Rommgirl

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      I am blessed, because I feel you have started to read more in the Bible. Be aware that you can not pick and choose what to believe, and present your own opinions as truth.

      I hear a lot on my way. People fooling them selves, believing they know “Jesus”. Here are some examples:

      1. I belive in Jesus, but not that there is a hell.
      2. I belive in Jesus, He is a great guru, not God.
      3. I belive in Jesus. He will not return to Earth.

      1. point’s 1-3 are not my belief and never have been. But we must pull apart every scripture to fully understand and know the true word of God

      2. Dear Rommgirl.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        But we must pull apart every scripture to fully understand and know the true word of God

        My reply.

        Humm….I would rather take the Word of God at face value. When the Bible says the Lords feet will stand on the mount of Olives, I believe in His second coming, physicaly to Jerusalem.

        When Jesus spoke in parables, He explained them. But we all need the light of the Holy Spirit to implement his teaching in todays life.

    2. ROMMGIRL,

      I pray blessings on you as you search the Scriptures for the Truth.

      You said:
      “No job,i just look at other scriptures that also allude to a more symbolic ethos rather than taking it the basic literal way.”

      My reply:
      All of the Old Testament prophecies that were fulfilled (and there are some that are yet to be fulfilled) came true in a literal way. What would make you think that New Testament prophecies will not be fulfilled in a literal way as well? A “symbolic ethos”–I do not know what you mean by this? There ARE symbolic elements in the prophecies, BUT they represent a literal truth. Jesus, of course, is not a literal “door” but He IS the only way to access heaven. Only those who place their faith and trust in Him will be permitted to enter heaven. “There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

      The Church has been given the designation as a “kingdom of priests who minister before God the Father” (Revelation 1:6) What that means in terms of the literal 1000-year reign of Messiah’s Kingdom has been debated for centuries.

      Some believe that it means that Christians, along with their Savior, will have authority over events on Earth, but will remain in heaven during the Millennial Kingdom–not returning to Earth until the New Jerusalem comes to Earth at the end of the Millennium. They believe that the Millennial Kingdom is the literal Kingdom that was promised to Jewish believers in Yahweh but that the subjects of the Kingdom will be mortal (how else to explain that the prophet Isaiah indicates that there will still be some sin–albeit greatly reduced–and death?) (See Isaiah 65:20–see also the Millennial Kingdom and Millennial Temple described in Ezekiel chapters, 40-48.) Ezekiel describes a mortal “Prince” (Jesus is always described in the New Testament as the King–NOT a prince) who has sons who will inherit physical land in the widely expanded nation of Israel, and we know that resurrected beings will not marry (nor, by implication, have children).

      Others believe that we will be here literally reigning with Messiah here on earth.

  3. Hi Ivar,

    I do not see how this denies the Rapture of the Church before the pouring out of the Wrath of God the Father and of the Lamb. The recent surge of persecution of Christians is just more of the same wrath of Satan that the Church has experienced over the last 2,000 years–estimates are that there have been at least 70,000,000 Christian martyrs. And a great many of them were Middle Eastern Christians who were slaughtered by Muslims during the 14th century under Tamerlane and under the Ottoman Empire in the late 19th century. God has always permitted the sons of Satan to do their worst because He always respects mankind’s right to choose. But woe to those who choose to do evil. In the Day of Judgment, they will wish they had never been born.

    The Bible clearly states that the wrath of God is for “those who belong to the earth” (Philippians 3:19 says, “They are headed for destruction. Their god is their appetite, they brag about shameful things, and they think only about this life here on earth.”) But we are already citizens of heaven (Philippians 3:20 “But we are citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior.”) Why would God pour out His Wrath on the Bride of His precious Son–citizens of heaven? The answer is that He wouldn’t. He saved Noah and his family from His wrath poured out in the Flood. He saved Lot and his family from His wrath poured out on Sodom and Gomorrah.

    What would you have us do? I pray for the protection of the saints of God every day and for the Jewish people. I write letters to government officials urging them to protect Christians and Jews around the world. I give to Christian relief organizations.

    One thing is sure, the sons of Satan, including these Muslim sons of Satan have stored up wrath for themselves and will continue to do so until our Lord Jesus appears from Heaven to slay them all with the sword of His mouth. He is the Living Word and there is blessing that comes for those who are part of His Kingdom, but there will be nothing but a fierce curse for those who have harmed the citizens of His Kingdom.

    1. Dear 3627

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      What would you have us do? I pray for the protection of the saints of God every day and for the Jewish people. I write letters to government officials urging them to protect Christians and Jews around the world. I give to Christian relief organizations.

      My comment:

      That is great….

      I belive, that many people who belive in rapture before the Great Tribilation, will not surrender their faith in Jesus when they discover they were wrong. I also belive that many people who belive in a post-tribulation rapture, sit at home and do close to nothing. When the roof falls down, they will propably wake up!.

      The challenge is not the timing of the rapture, but to belive that the Church has been given the task of identifying antichrists. Also the last and final. And to continue being warmhearted and compassionate, and sharing the gospel.

  4. Regardless of the fact it is Muslim against Christian it is wrong, On the news they have said a Mosque in QLD, AUST was fire bombed,the Muslim community are up in arm’s declaring we are peacefull,we have done nothing wrong.PARDON MOI,Is beheading,firebombing churches and synagogues etc not wrong.Australia faces a bigger threat than most want to consider,since the huge influx of many different Muslims from the 80’s we have seen a growing prejudice amongst them selves and towards others,many australians are getting fed up with there common catch cry of racisim and religious intolerance in truth,we are quite the opposite,it is they who do not wish to assimilate,and do not tolerate our democratic christian way of life,they want a Islamic state here.Indonesia is on our doorstep and our relationship with them fragile thanks partly to the Bali bombings.Islam is the predominant religion of 80 odd percent of the population,a tad worrying …thankfully the authorities have taken these murders to account and they will pay on earth for these religious murders…

  5. Hi Ivar,

    I don’t agree that the Church has been given the task of identifying the last and final Antichrist because, I believe that the Holy Spirit indwelling the Bride of Christ is the “one who is holding him back”. Once the Bride is swept away by “her” Bridegroom, then the “man of lawlessness will be revealed.” (2 Thes. 2:7-8) One of the main roles of the Bride, beside preaching the Gospel, is to restrain sin. Think of the preservative capacity of “salt and light”–both fight the decay of the society where they are found and Jesus likened us to “salt” and again, to “light”. As the true Church wanes in influence, so sin reigns more and more. Since Jesus told us in John 14:16 that the Holy Spirit will never leave us, and by deductive reasoning we assume that, if the Holy Spirit is no longer restraining sin through the true Bride, that would mean that the Bride is no longer here either–having been removed to a place of safety, just as Lot and his family were.

    I am ready to be persecuted and die for my Lord, if that is what He asks of me, before He comes for His Bride–just as all the martyrs of the last 2,000 years have done. In hindsight, we can see that there have been many antichrists down through the Church age but they have never stood in the Temple of God and declared themselves to be a god. That is left to one man alone–the “man of lawlessness” the “man of fierce countenance” and I thank Our Lord Jesus that, one way or the other, I won’t be here to see that evil one do what he will do.

    1. Dear job3627

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:
      In hindsight, we can see that there have been many antichrists down through the Church age but they have never stood in the Temple of God and declared themselves to be a god.

      My reply:

      The Pope claims he is infallible. He is a “god”. He has also put him self up in the Temple of Jupiter in Rome. The Pope claim to be both Pontifex Maximus and the successor of Peter the Apostle.

      Pontifex Maximus is one of Ceasar’s titles. The High priest of the ancient Roman religion. When the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70.A.D, a new “Temple of God” emerged. In the “eternal city of Rome”. The Pope represent an unholy mix of paganism and Christendom. The ultimate deception.

      I feel that the Pope fulfill the prophecies of both claiming to be “god”, and the man of lawlessness who will set him self up in “gods temple”. The Pope knows that not all can accept his claimed authority. Before he set him self up on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Than he will be hailed by the multitudes, only a few still refusing to surrender.

      The Pope has reigned both in Rome and the city of David. And He will reign again. Only the true Zionists are holding the Pope back from being lifted up as “the prince of peace” in Jerusalem. When Biblical Zionism has been defeated, the Pope will have his way.

    2. It’s not the churches impossible task to keep the world from sinning. I think what the bible is saying is that it’s the people within the churches responsibility to repent from sin, and to be tolerant of others because everyone is at different levels of faults. Doing it the nice way, voluntarily, with much tolerance. Outside the church it’s Satans job to punish sin, typically in brutal and unforgiving manner. Even tempting people to sin so that he can rule over them, like a snake in the grass. For instance, the prison system and the drug war. It’s pretty obvious the cia did a lot to import drugs to the US, then another hand of government puts the people in prison, and ruining their lives.

      1. That’s not what I said, Ed. It is the Holy Spirit acting through His indwelling presence in true believers Who restrains sin (and we know from Romans 8:9 that without His indwelling presence, no one is truly Christians at all). Romans 3:18 tells us, speaking of unbelievers, that, “They have no fear of God to RESTRAIN them.” (emphasis mine) Many who sit in churches every week are not really Christians, because they have no Fear of God and we know that Fear of God is one of the seven-fold aspects of the Holy Spirit (see Isaiah 11:2. See also Revelation 4:5) Because they do not have the Holy Spirit within them, there is no restraint of sin in the surrounding culture.

        When the Bride is taken, God will leave mankind to its sin–just as He did prior to the Flood. Jesus likens the Tribulation to the period before the Flood.

  6. Hi Ivar,

    While I agree that the papacy is an evil institution and quite pagan at its roots, I do not think that it “fills the bill” of the description in both the Book of Daniel and from our Lord’s lips. This terrible insult to the Almighty is described by Daniel the prophet as being the “sacrilegious object that causes desolation” (in Daniel 9:27) and by Our Lord, Himself as “…the sacrilegious object that causes desecration… standing in the Holy Place” (Matthew 24:15). To make sure that we know that the prophecy of Daniel is the same one Jesus is referring to, the Lord mentions the prophecy of Daniel. There has only ever been one “Holy Place” and that is in the Temple of God, in Israel. What the Romans did with their Pontifex Maximus or what the Roman “church” did with their Papacy would be irrelevant to the Jewish hearers of Daniel and the Jewish believers in Messiah who heard the prophecy from Him.

    The only way that it could be an “abomination” (which both refer to) is if it was in the Holy Temple itself. It is clear from the Book of Ezekiel, that the Temple will be rebuilt since there has never been such a Temple as the one that Ezekiel describes–in great detail. Those who are working on plans for a new Temple in Israel are even referring to it as “Ezekiel’s Temple”. Since prophecy will not fail, we MUST assume that Ezekiel’s Temple is yet in the future, It will be desecrated by the Antichrist and, after his defeat by the Lord Jesus, it will be cleansed and rededicated to serve as the Millennial Temple, just the way that the Holy Spirit inspired Ezekiel to tell of it.

    1. Dear job3627

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      First. The Pope is a copycat High Priest and King. He is not only only claiming to be the hightest priest on Earth. He is also a wordly king, with his own state and diplomatic immiunity. He is about to be elevated as the “king of kings”. He has a permanent seat in the UN, and 160 ambassadors in his court in the Vatican.

      You wrote:

      Since prophecy will not fail, we MUST assume that Ezekiel’s Temple is yet in the future, It will be desecrated by the Antichrist and, after his defeat by the Lord Jesus, it will be cleansed and rededicated to serve as the Millennial Temple, just the way that the Holy Spirit inspired Ezekiel to tell of it.

      My comment:

      This is a very interesting topic. Will the people of Israel rebild the temple, and establish the third temple in Jerusalem? If so: The end might be decades ahed. Because 70 per cent of the Israeli’s are secular people, who do not even enter a synagogue. The secular Israelis hold the key to the polical power in Israel.

      The Orthodox Jews, both the Nationalist camp and the Haredim, have split into multiple fractions, and do absolutely not agree on this issue.

      My take is: Neither the Muslims (Israeli Arabs) nor the secular government of Israel will permitt any religious Jew, to rebuild the temple. But all Israelis migh areee to a code-sharing of The Temple Mount, and to rebrand the existing buildings as the “Temple of the One World religion”. Truely an abomination that will cause desolation. And such a move can take place at any time….

      1. Hi Ivar,

        You wrote:
        “First. The Pope is a copycat High Priest and King. He is not only only claiming to be the hightest priest on Earth. He is also a wordly king, with his own state and diplomatic immiunity. He is about to be elevated as the “king of kings”. He has a permanent seat in the UN, and 160 ambassadors in his court in the Vatican.”

        My reply:
        I can well imagine that the Pope feels as though he is “High Priest” and even a King (he IS called, “the Prince of the Church”). However, he is not a man of war and it is clear that the Antichrist will be a man of war from the moment he strides onto the world stage. That is, of course, the precedent set by all of the other antichrists down through the ages of man–from Nimrod to Antiochus IV Epiphanes to Hitler. In addition, there is the “Rider on the White Horse” from Revelation 6:2. He is likely a depiction of the Antichrist, since he is one of the scourge figures in the group known as the “Four Horsemen”. That having been said, I can see the Pope of that day as the Satanically-indwelt False Prophet.

        You said:
        “This is a very interesting topic. Will the people of Israel rebuild the Temple, and establish the third Temple in Jerusalem? If so: The end might be decades ahead. Because 70 per cent of the Israeli’s are secular people, who do not even enter a synagogue. The secular Israelis hold the key to the political power in Israel…”

        My reply:
        The Temple Institute has detailed plans ready for building the third Temple. They, at one time, had a “virtual Temple” on their website that you could take a “virtual tour” through. Not sure if it is still there. Interestingly, they have said that they estimate the construction would take 3 and 1/2 years from the moment that they get the “go ahead”. Even though 70% of the Israelis are secular, I saw an in-the-street interviewer going around asking people at random whether they thought the Temple should be rebuilt and even the obviously secular young Israelis said things like, “What is Jerusalem without a Temple? Yes, I believe the Temple should be rebuilt!” While the secular Israelis hold the political power at present, that could change instantly if God decides to change it.

        You said:
        “The Orthodox Jews, both the Nationalist camp and the Haredim, have split into multiple factions, and do absolutely not agree on this issue…”

        My reply:
        Doesn’t matter. When the time is right for the rebuilding of the Temple, God will permit it, no matter how many men oppose it.

        You said:
        “My take is: Neither the Muslims (Israeli Arabs) nor the secular government of Israel will permit any religious Jew, to rebuild the Temple. But all Israelis might agree to a co-sharing of The Temple Mount, and to rebrand the existing buildings as the ‘Temple of the One World religion’. Truely an abomination that will cause desolation. And such a move can take place at any time….”

        That is certainly a possibility and it might be comparable to the Tower of Babel–which was a grave blasphemy. Time will tell. 🙂

      2. Dear Job

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        I love to debate with you, because you seek deep into scripture and truth.

        You wrote:

        However, he (the Pope) is not a man of war and it is clear that the Antichrist will be a man of war from the moment he strides onto the world stage.

        My reply:

        The true men of war walks in suits and priestly robs, and sit in board rooms. They do not get blood stains on their garments. They all talk about “peace”.

        Have you heard about the Military Order of Malta?

        This military order has an embassy in the Vatican. The main purpose of this order is to retake Jerusalem for the Papacy. The order brothers work through all kind of organizations who desire to evict the Zionists from controling the “Holy land”.

        One of their key allies is the PLO, who also has an ambassador in the Vatican. And not so strangely, the PLO has been gifted a permanent seat in the UN, next to the “Holy see”. A quarter or so of the resolutions in the UN is passed against Zionism.

        The second most active embassy in the Vatican, is the Iranian. The Ayatollah regime has exellent relationships with the Papacy. And through Tehran, “The Holy see” can bless half a dozen of islamic terror-organizaions that looms around the borders of Zion….etc, etc, etc……

  7. On second thought, Ivar, I cannot imagine any believing Jew or Messianic Jew referring to such a monstrosity as “the Holy Place”. :-/

    1. Hi Ivar,

      You said:
      “…I love to debate with you, because you seek deep into scripture and truth.”

      Thank you, that blesses me, Ivar. 🙂

      You said:
      “The true men of war walk in suits and priestly robes, and sit in board rooms. They do not get blood stains on their garments. They all talk about “peace”.

      My response:
      While I would readily agree with that statement, I would also point out that dictators almost always wear military uniforms and the Antichrist is Satan’s ultimate dictator. Revelation 13:4 says, “…they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, ‘Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?’ ” It is unlikely that the “beast” would be an ostensibly religious figure. Even the Ayatollahs are not seen to “wage war”. They leave that up to their military/political leaders. Mohammed personally waged war, but modern sensibilities would have to change a lot to get the goats to approve of that.

      You said:
      “Have you heard about the Military Order of Malta?”

      Yes. I am told that the Jesuits “give the orders” to the Knights of Malta but I have seen no open acts of war from them. I understand that the Popes of the past worked through the crowned heads of Europe to effect the deaths of millions but they didn’t often directly engage in actual warfare themselves except for brief periods of militarism. No, it really does seem that the Antichrist will be a militaristic political figure and that would be unlikely to be a Pope, but I suppose that could change. The False Prophet, on the other hand is depicted in Revelation 13:11, as a having “…two horns like those of a lamb, and he spoke with the voice of a dragon…” In other words, no one would much fear the False Prophet (who would be afraid of a lamb?). It could also mean that he pretends to be speaking for The Lamb of God while, instead, he is actually speaking for the dragon, i.e. Satan. The Antichrist is likely to be a fearsome individual from the beginning–just as were all previous antichrist figures from history. Many feared Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Antiochus IV Epiphanies, etc. The accounts of their brutality make their names live in infamy.

      You said:
      “This military order has an embassy in the Vatican. The main purpose of this order is to retake Jerusalem for the Papacy. The order brothers work through all kind of organizations who desire to evict the Zionists from controlling the ‘Holy Land’ ”.

      My response:
      They do this (at least, at this time) by deception, manipulation and even possibly by the occasional murder. But their violence, if there is any, is not the wholesale violence of war. So far. The RCC has always engaged in “statecraft” and it is difficult to understand what their agenda is at any particular time. One thing is sure–they will always do what they think is in the best interests of the RCC whether it betrays innocent parties or not. The Jesuits declare that intention openly, in their Oath. I think they have shown over and over that they would be willing to make an agreement with Satan himself, if it meant the preservation of the RCC. I expect that the Vatican (along with all other pagan religions) will be very helpful in Antichrist’s rise to power.

  8. … in Sura 3:1110 and if the People of the Scripture had believed it had been better for them. Some of them are believers; but most of them are evil-livers. Reminded me of Ezek and the king of Babylon…..

    Ezek 21:18-24
    18 And the word of the LORD came to me saying,
    19 “As for you, son of man, make two ways for the sword of the king of Babylon to come; both of them will go out of one land. And make a signpost; make it at the head of the way to the city.
    20 “You shall mark a way for the sword to come to Rabbah of the sons of Ammon, and to Judah into fortified Jerusalem.
    21 “For the king of Babylon stands at the parting of the way, at the head of the two ways, to use divination; he shakes the arrows, he consults the household idols, he looks at the liver.
    22 “Into his right hand came the divination, ‘Jerusalem,’ to set battering rams, to open the mouth for slaughter, to lift up the voice with a battle cry, to set battering rams against the gates, to cast up mounds, to build a siege wall.
    23 “And it will be to them like a false divination in their eyes; they have {sworn} solemn oaths. But he brings iniquity to remembrance, that they may be seized.
    24 “Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD, ‘Because you have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are uncovered, so that in all your deeds your sins appear– because you have come to remembrance, you will be seized with the hand.
    (NAS)
    Ezekeil goes on to also speak about two daughters that are harlots that are so much like the decendants of Sarah and Hagar. The sword like lightening is mentioned for Babylon Judeah. (many of Judea were given over to the enemies. And our world is trying to unite them with false peace. With Laws and traditions of man made rulership that has nothing to do with Holiness. Seems like the frogs of revelation are truly being released.
    .
    Religions are becoming stronger and stronger at enforcing extra laws and using guilt and shame to enforce them as well.
    Matt 23:1-16 speaks of this and Jesus says they are used to control and the leaders don’t even follow them themselves.

    CHAPTER 23

    1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
    2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
    3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
    4 They tie up heavy loads and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
    5 “Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;

    Paul said in Gal. 3:1-4. WE did not receive the Holy Spirit by following laws, yet we are beginning to bow down to the laws against GOD’s own laws of activities.
    CHAPTER 3
    1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
    2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
    3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
    4 Have you suffered so much for nothing– if it really was for nothing?
    (NIV)

    We are going to see and are seeing these many different branches of Judism, Christian branches and Mulims branches enforcing their laws that they have added. They inflict guilt and shame and thus enslave the souls of the decieved into obeying out of fear or guilt and shame just like Adam and Eve did. They hid in the trees (many different knowledges but not of the TRUE CREATOR. HE had to find them HIMSELF. Abraham lived in righteousness without the Laws given to Moses and yet he was accounted as righteous.

    Why do we teach and enslave so many into guilt and shame. This is the Anti-CHRIST or Anti-WORD of GOD spirit (BABYLON, EGYPT, the WORLD)

    WE are no longer under any generation curse, yet many “religions still teach this and program others to believe this and take matters into their own hands. We no longer are responsible for the sins which cause guilt and shame under the new covenant through CHRIST. Why do we not explane this and teach this but cower in guilt and shame. WHY are we letting ourselves be “bewitched” by false “Babylonian ways” that we do not speak the Truth of this great salvation?

    Even our President, remindes us constantly that CHrsitians have done bad things in Jesus name. Well, we are not responsible for the lies and deception of religious leaders who teach and lead in lies and manipulations of fear, guilt and shame. GOD will avenge these false teachers.

    We must break these lies and set all of mankind free, whether those of any beliefe.
    until we do so, these seeking Chrisitans deaths will be decieved and used through evil programming to blind them even more. We can come boldly before the throne of GOD, confess our sins, and turn from our sinful ways. We are being regenerated in our new birth. Nothing can seperated us from the love of GOD!

    Remember and do not let this world take our joy and “bewitch” us, nor let others remain bewitched!

    Only in YASHUA of Nazareth, do we have this release and that is why the true beleiver in CHRIST is persecuted! Everyone else wants to tie the bolders around the necks of humanity and drown them with laws and fear.

    1. Dear Helen

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote a lot of interesting stuff. But I would like to debate on one of your docrinal statements:

      You wrote:
      Why do we teach and enslave so many into guilt and shame. This is the Anti-CHRIST or Anti-WORD of GOD spirit (BABYLON, EGYPT, the WORLD)

      My comment:

      The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. You need to repent from your false gospel of “love and lawlessness”, and surrender to the cross. Jesus said that all who obey His commands, are those who love Him.

      Antichrist’s are all who present a “different Jesus”. They might be very sealoz and reach to the end of the World. But they walk in the wrong spirit, and do not represent God of the Bible.

      Antichrists are persons. Neither their teaching, nor a “concept”. And the last and final antichrist will be the highest elevated person ever. He will rule the World, and be hailed by all who do not have their name written in the book of life.

    2. Dear Helen

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      There is another topic I would like to debate. What is the very nature of hypocricy?

      You wrote:

      3 So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

      My reply:

      Jesus clearly say that the teachers of the law are correct. And we should do wat they say. The problem is that the teachers of the law do not do what they say we all should do. That is the essense of hypocacy. To not practise what you preach.

      Examples:

      Do not lie. Correct. A command. So why do you tell white lies?
      Do not steal. Correct. A command. So why do you take what is not yours?
      Do not commit adulatry. A command. So why do you have a lover in secret?

      You should feel guilt and shame if you lie, steal or commit adulatry. This is the very work of the Holy Spirit. Before your surrender and come under the Lordship of Jesus, you will justify your actions, and do not feel anything.

  9. People with power and influence in the U.S. have been saying some very stupid things about Islam and about Muslims since September 11. Some of it is rooted in conscious malice, and ethnic prejudice that spills over into religious bigotry. But some is rooted in sheer historical and geographical ignorance. This is a country, after all, in which only a small minority of high school students can readily locate Afghanistan on the map, or are aware that Iranians and Pakistanis are not Arabs. As an educator, in Asian Studies, at a fairly elite university, I am painfully aware of this ignorance. But I realize it serves a purpose. It is highly useful to a power structure that banks on knee-jerk popular support whenever it embarks on a new military venture, at some far-off venue, on false pretexts immediately discernable to the better educated, but lost on the general public. The generally malleable mainstream press takes care of the rest.

    I don’t mean to suggest that the academic cognosenti, as a “class,” habitually counter this ignorance and protest the imperialist interventions that Washington routinely undertakes. Some of them may indeed support the venture, cynically asserting that the advertised pretext fulfills some sort of valid function, regardless of the lies and distortions that surround it. (I think of the depiction in the media of the “Rambouillet Accords” concerning Yugoslavia in 1999 as “the will of the international community,” when one Contact Group member, Russia, rejected the U.S.-dictated plan for Kosovo outright, and several European states only signed on after their arms were twisted nearly out of their sockets. I think of the calculated, extreme exaggeration of the number of Kosovar victims of Serbian forces as the bombing of Yugoslavia began. The lies surrounding that bombing were obvious to anyone studying the situation, but even some rather progressive academics were all for “Operation Allied Force.”) American academe is—unfortunately— whatever its right-wing critics may contend, not particularly left or anti-imperialist. In any case, such ignorance is not just a national embarrassment; it’s really dangerous. Raw material for a made-in-USA version of fascism.

    To understand the contemporary world, you need to know something about Islam-beyond the inane contribution of the Attorney General cited above. So I have prepared this little primer on Islam for Americans (suitable for ages 13 and above, so appropriate for high school use), dealing not with its theology so much as its general character as an important force in the world, presently encountering unprecedented, unprincipled attack from various quarters.

    1. Islam has been around for approximately 1400 years. Established on the west coast of Arabia 900 years before European settlement in America, and spreading rapidly throughout Southwest Asia and North Africa soon thereafter, it was not designed as an anti-U.S. movement!

    The basic teachings or requirements of Islam are not difficult to grasp. They constitute the “Five Pillars of Islam”: (1) profession that there is no God but God (“Allah,” in Arabic), and his Prophet (the last of the prophets, the “seal of the prophets”) is Muhammad; (2) daily prayer; (3) fasting during the month of Ramadan; (4) charity; and (5) the pilgrimage to Mecca. Whatever you may think of this package, it’s not terribly threatening to the non-Muslim.

    2. Islam’s teachings are contained in a fairly compact book, the Qur’an, which Muslims believe was dictated to the Prophet Muhammad by the archangel Gabriel. They believe of it precisely what Jews and Christians believe of their scriptures: that is, it’s the Word of God. This book, like the Bible, demands belief in monotheism; refers to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus, etc. (far more space is given to Mary, mother of Jesus, in the Qur’an than in the New Testament); has a substantial legalistic component reminiscent of the Old Testament Book of Leviticus, and poetic content as beautifully uplifting as the Book of Psalms. For religious and secular scholars alike, it is absolutely clear that Islam stems from the Judeo-Christian tradition. Indeed, we should think in terms of the “Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition.”

    (Some fundamentalist Christians, of course, see Islam as the work of Satan, and medieval Christians in Europe saw it as a heresy rather than as “paganism. The point is—for better or worse—Muslims have a whole lot more in common with the dominant religious trends in the U.S. than do, say, Buddhists or Hindus.)

    3.Muslims are about 20% of the world’s population; Christians, about 30%. (The U.S. Muslim population is estimated between 5 and 8 million; U.S. Jews between 5 and 6 million). The global Jewish population is statistically quite small, so one can say the Judeo-Christian-Islamic population is roughly half the world’s total. The consequences of a protracted religious war, pitting Christians and Jews against Muslims, are highly unpleasant to consider.

    4. The Qur’an depicts Jews and Christians as “People of the Book,” meaning that they have their own scriptures bestowed upon them by God (Allah is simply the Arabic world for God, related to the Hebrew Elohim; see it as analogous to the German word Gott, the French Dieu, or the Spanish Dios. It’s not the personal name of a deity within a pantheon, like Thor, Aphrodite or Siva.)

    Muslim scripture counsels respect for these communities, and indeed, in the history of Islam, within Islamic societies Jews and Christians have fared FAR better than non-Christians in Christendom. Muslims ruled all or part of Spain from around 800 to the late 15th century, when Columbus’ great patrons, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella “drove the Moors (Muslims) out of Spain,” forced everybody to embrace Catholic Christianity (or be killed), and promoted the exquisite Christian tortures of the Inquisition. Under Muslim rule, Christian and Jewish communities generally flourished from Spain to Iraq. On the other hand, until recent times, Christian intolerance prevailed throughout Europe.

    5. The Qu’ran does NOT call upon Muslims to KILL all non-Muslims. It calls for the destruction of “infidels,” meaning principally Arabs who, during the time of Muhammad (saw), practiced idolatry and polytheism. Again: this is a seventh-century book, produced in a specific historical context! It, and the Muslim religion, should be studied and understood objectively, dispassionately. Islam emerged very quickly, and within decades united under its banner-the banner of monotheism—the various tribes of Arabia. Its violent rejection of idolatry, however offensive to the modern, secular, humanist mind, is hardly unique. It can be compared to the ferocious suppression in Christian Europe of paganism (often associated with witchcraft).

    And for perspective, while the Qu’ran does call for the extermination of “infidels,” the Old Testament is replete with its own exhortations to genocide. According to the Biblical narrative (of dubious historicity, but believed by hundreds of millions), the Hebrews under Joshua’s leadership, invading Canaan from Egypt, killed twelve thousand “men and women together” in the town of Ai-because God wanted them to (Joshua 8:25). The Hebrews put all the people of Hazor to the sword (they “wiped them all out; they did not leave one living soul.” Judges 11:14). The poetics of hatred are as conspicuous in the Bible as in the Qu’ran. A personal favorite of mine, from Psalm 137, refers to the Babylonians: “A blessing on him who takes and dashes your babies against the rock!” Such references are characteristic of Judeo-Christian-Islamic literature, and are best examined in historical perspective.

    6. Islamic “fundamentalism” is not a species apart from other fundamentalisms, including the Christian, Jewish, and Hindu varieties. They are all anti-modern, anti-science, anti-intellectual, rarely harmless and potentially (if not necessarily) fascistic. They demand belief in received dogma, inscribed in texts, rather than open-ended scientific inquiry. They either legitimate the existing order, or call for a return to a past social order in which class and gender relations were properly sorted out in line with the Divine Will.

    Some (including non-religious people in or from Muslim countries) criticize Islam (appropriately, in my view) for what they consider backward and reactionary features. This is not the place to deal with such criticisms, nor am I the right person to do it. I will merely observe what many others have observed: Christendom underwent the Enlightenment-an evolution towards secularism, rationalism, and scientific thought in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries-which the Islamic world, in general, has not yet experienced. To become “modern” (more specifically, to become capitalist), the West had to become more ideologically tolerant (i.e., less religious), and allow a freer market in ideas than had been possible when the Church monopolized learning. If mullahs monopolize education in much of the Muslim world, they serve a function identical with that of Europe’s medieval Catholic clergy.

    But our own Enlightenment is not irreversible. Top U.S. officials reject the theory of evolution in favor of the ludicrous “theory” of “creationism,”and seek to criminalize abortion on the grounds that a fetus is a human being created by God. Recent changes in U.S. law (allowing the use of vouchers to support religious schools at taxpayer’s expense), and the failure of the courts to prosecute behavior which plainly violates the constitutional separation of church and state, demonstrate that medieval thinking and fundamentalism retain a strong hold in sections of U.S. society, and are well represented in the Bush administration. The American people are, I submit, far more threatened by Christian fundamentalism than its Islamic counterpart. And for a Pentecostalist Christian like John Ashcroft, who believes every word of the Bible literally, to inveigh against Islam (as he has) is (to use the English proverb) the “pot calling the kettle black.”

    7. Islamic fundamentalism (or what some, including CNN Moneyline’s Lou Dobbs calls “Islamism,” meaning a specifically political Islam) has NOT, historically, posed a great threat to Western interests (by which I mean corporate, oil, and geopolitical interests) but rather been exploited to SERVE those interests. Remember Lawrence of Arabia? What was his objective other than to forge a British alliance with the Hashemites, who would certainly qualify as “Islamists” by Lou Dobb’s standards, during World War I? Later, the British boosted the Saudi royal family (patrons of the Wahhabi school of Islam, usually described as among the most conservative, embraced by Osama bin Laden as well as the Saudis in general) into power. The U.S. inherited Saudi Arabia as a client state after World War II, and we all know how well U.S. oil companies have done there ever since. (Aramco alone, prior to its nationalization in the mid-1980s, yielded some $ 3 trillion from the Arabian reserves.)

    The U.S. helped create, recruit, and finance the fundamentalist Mujahadeen, including some 30,000 young volunteers who came from throughout the Muslim world to fight “godless Communism” in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The U.S. encouraged them to view their war as a jihad (in the sense of a “Holy War,” a meaning the term usually does NOT carry), and put many in contact with young Osama bin Laden, then an ally. The Reagan administration was in love with fundamentalist Islam, so long as it served its purposes.

    The California-based company Unocal was cordially negotiating right up to Sept. 11 with Afghanistan’s Taliban for an oil pipeline through Afghan territory, State Department official and oilman Zalmay Khalilzad was arguing up through 1998 that the Taliban were friendly, potential business partners who did “not practice the anti-U.S. style of fundamentalism practiced in Iran.”

    8. Muslims of the world have many thoroughly LEGITIMATE reasons to resent U.S. policy. Nearly absolute support for the settler state of Israel in its relationship with the indigenous Palestinian people. Imposition of brutal sanctions on Iraq, contrary to logic and morality. Maintenance of bases throughout the Persian Gulf, in defiance of local sensibilities and interests. Support for brutal regimes, including that of the Shah of Iran and that of Indonesia’s Suharto (who unquestionably has more blood on his hands than even that arch-villain and former U.S. buddy Saddam Hussein).

    9. Muslims typically DO NOT hate the U.S. as an abstract concept, reject U.S. culture in toto, or seek the destruction of American civilization. Many are, indeed, uncomfortable with some aspects of American behavior, as are most people in the world, from Central America to Japan. But a Zogby International poll, released June 11 of this year, shows that in nine Muslim countries, including Bangladesh and Malaysia, the most admired foreign country is the U.S.

    10. Muslims and Jews in Palestine/Israel have NOT always hated one another, and the current Middle East conflict does NOT go back many centuries. Rather, it began with the influx of foreign Jews into the region after World War I, which became a flood as a result of the Holocaust, and with international support resulted in the formation of Israel as a specifically Jewish state in 1948. Jewish settlement and terrorism (well-documented by the Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe) resulted in the displacement of 750,000 Palestinian Arabs (including both Christians and Muslims). The Arab-Israeli conflict is not, fundamentally, about Islam, or a clash between Islam and other faiths, but about this-worldly land grabbing, settlement, dispossession and oppression that has enraged the Muslim world, as it should enrage any thinking, moral human being. Unfortunately, fundamentalist Christians in this country tend to depict this history of injustice as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy, and they will brook no dissent when it comes to the Zionist cause that they have embraced as their own. (“God gave them the land, so don’t bother me with historical details. End of discussion.”) Hard to imagine a delusion more injurious to world peace and to the cause of justice.

    Muslims ruled all or part of Spain from around 800 to the late 15th century, when Columbus’ great patrons, King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella “drove the Moors (Muslims) out of Spain,” forced everybody to embrace Catholic Christianity (or be killed), and promoted the exquisite Christian tortures of the Inquisition. Under Muslim rule, Christian and Jewish communities generally flourished from Spain to Iraq. On the other hand, until recent times, Christian intolerance prevailed throughout Europe.

    Finally: In understanding Islam, Americans should give some thought to one of the pivotal episodes in world history, the Crusades, or Wars of the Cross, that ripped up the Holy Land between 1096 and 1291. During these two centuries, European Christians seeking to “win back for Christendom” territory that had fallen to the Muslim Turks-territory that had been ruled by Muslims since the early seventh century anyway, on terms generally agreeable to Jews and Christians as well as Muslims-committed unspeakable atrocities. In July 1099 Jerusalem was conquered, the Roman Catholic soldiers massacring all the Muslim and Jewish inhabitants, including women and children. Nor was the Crusaders’ zeal exhausted upon non-Christians; frustrated at lack of success in Palestine in 1204, they instead sacked Constantinople (modern Istanbul), then the center of Eastern Orthodoxy. In comparison, the behavior of the Muslim armies was chivalrous, the twelfth-century Kurdish leader Saladin in particular winning high praise from Christians and Muslims alike for his humanity.

    The Islamic world remembers the Crusades; George Bush, like many Americans, is clueless about them. Hence his amazingly dim-witted reference to the “War on Terrorism” as a “Crusade” last September 16-a statement that produced immediate, widespread outrage in the Muslim world. No offense intended, no doubt. But such ignorance, in action, in a world where religious prejudice generates idiotic action from Belfast, to the Balkans, to Gujarat, to the Moluccas, is perilous ignorance indeed.
    In the HISTORY of the world, who has KILLED maximum INNOCENT
    human beings

    1) “Hitler”
    Do you know who he was

    He was a Christian, but media will never call Christians terrorists.

    2) “Joseph Stalin called as Uncle Joe”.

    He has killed 20 million human beings including 14.5 million were starved to death.

    Was he a Muslim

    3) “Mao Tse Tsung (China)”

    He has killed 14 to 20 million human beings.

    Was he a Muslim

    4) “Benito Mussolini (Italy)”

    He has killed 400 thousand human beings.

    Was he a Muslim

    5) “Ashoka” In Kalinga Battle

    He has killed 100 thousand human beings.

    Was he a Muslim

    6) Embargo put by George Bush in Iraq,

    1/2 million children
    has been killed in Iraq alone!!! Imagine these people are never called terrorists by the media.

    Why

    Today the majority of the non-muslims are afraid by hearing the words “JIHAD”.

    Jihad is an Arabic word which comes from root Arabic word “JAHADA” which means “TO STRIVE” or “TO STRUGGLE” against evil and for justice. It does not
    mean killing innocents.

    The difference is we stand against evil, not with evil”.

    You still think that ISLAM is the problem

    1. The First World War, 17 million dead
    (caused by non-Muslim).

    2. The Second World War, 50-55 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

    3. Nagasaki atomic bombs 200000 dead
    (caused by non-Muslim).

    4. The War in Vietnam, over 5 million dead (caused by non-Muslim).

    5. The War in Bosnia/Kosovo, over 5,00,000 dead (caused by non-Muslim).

    6. The War in Iraq (so far) 12,000,000 deaths
    (caused by non-Muslim).

    7. Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, Burma etc (caused by non-Muslim).

    8. In Cambodia 1975-1979, almost 3 million deaths (caused by non-Muslim).

    “MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS
    AND
    TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS.”

    Please remove first double standards on Killings.

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