Skull of controversial priest kept inside altar in Hungary

The Pope removed the title of Hungarian cardinal József Mindszenty in 1973. He died in 1975, but were exhumed in 1991.

The skull and a bone of the late Cardinal József Mindszenty is displayed in the Cathedral of Esztergom in Hungary.

It is again a mystery why the skull of József Mindszenty is kept for inside the alter of the Cathedral of  Esztergom in Hungary.

As a cardinal, Mindszenty fell from grace in december 1973. At the age of 81, Mindszenty was stripped of his titles by the Pope, who declared the Hungarian cardinal’s seat officially vacated, but refused to fill the seat while Mindszenty was still alive.

The cardinal died on Mat 6th 1975, and was buried.  The former Roman Catholic clergy man, was not permitted to R.I.P.  The global news providedr Associated Press (AP), released the following report in 1991:

May. 4, 1991 7:26 PM ET-ESZTERGOM, HUNGARY ESZTERGOM, Hungary (AP):

 Mindszenty’s remains were exhumed this week from a tomb in Mariazell, Austria, where he was buried after his death at age 83 in Vienna on May 6, 1975.

 Source: AP

Link to the top picture:

My comment:

Cardinal József Mindszenty has not been canonized by the Pope.

It is therefor permissible to question why his skull has been cut of from the rest of his skeleton, and kept for display.

But let us first take a look at some more pictures:

It is difficult to understand why the skull of Mindszenty has to bite in its own bone, probably a leg bone.
A Roman Catholic cardinal bow and pray in front of the skull inside the altar.

Since the last picture is rather disturbing, I will give you the link to where it is published. So no one will question its validity. Link.

Pope Paul VI stripped Cardinal Mindszenty of his chair in 1973.
The dead József Mindszenty. Some demonized priests cut his head off.

All honest and sane beings must question the claimed powers of pieces of a motal mans flesh.

Under what circumstances can a skull gain or loose its “magic powers” and “holiness”?

Since this priest is not an authorized saint of the Roman Catholic Church, can Catholics be sure of the “holiness” of his skull and bones?

And other question that comes to my mind:

Will the skull be removed from the altar,  if the Pope refuses to make the late cardinal a saint?

Within the Roman Catholic religion, there is a difference between a skull that is “venerable”, and a skull that is a “holy skull” of a saint.

Can this skull still be “holy”, even if the Pope do not find the late cardinal worthy of being a Roman Catholic saint?

Under any circumstance:

Can anybody find a single verse in the Bible, where Jesus declared remains of a moral man for “venerable, adorable or holy”?

If there is not a single verse that authorize such display of bones, skulls and corpses, why do the Vatican priesthood put such item inside an altar?

The truth for all Roman Catholics might be very painful. If the priesthood they serve are not servants of Jesus the Messiah, than who do they serve?

There is only one correct answer: Satan. Their final destiny will be very hot place.  Repent or perish.

Revelation 20:9-11

They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Written by Ivar

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  1. You know this hit piece cannot be taken seriously.

    Cardinal Mindszenty was an anti-Communist and he suffered for it. Pope Paul VI’s treatment of him was terrible.

    But, why use that as a means of trying to condemn the entire Catholic clergy. (This, by the way,comes from a Catholic that has major problems with the abuse of authority in the Church.)

    1. Dear Larryzb

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      The Cardinal might have bee an anti-Communists. But was he saved? Did he submit to God of the Bible, or did he serve as a servant of SATAN?

      Since you claim Pope Paul VI treatment of this cardinal was “terrible”, why do you call your self a Catholic?

      Are you you a follower of Jesus of the Bible? Do you believe that the Pope is fallible, a mortal man, and absolutely not the “Holy Father”?

      1. I was led by Spirit to remove a little sheep form fellowship with undiscerning and false Christianity.
        (All this trouble for one little sheep).
        There are always two Charismatic and clean priest in Church Roman-Catholic that serve Jesus Christ of Nazareth and His Gospel, according to God’s direction and calling. Certainly, they do not serve Satan, doing things in their own will-power.

        Ivar, would you like to come to Vatican and recive a Baptisam in God’s Spirit by a free fall? By Spirit of God you are invited to take part in valid Church-Charismatic.

        You can take all tree ministries of the Church (if you would like to), and then you may go out and teach accurately Church-Catholic.

        Iove in Jesus of Nazareth never fails when is accurate and valid

      1. Where might the pope get the idea the communism is Christian?

        Acts 4:32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, so they shared everything they had.

        With the disciples it was among brothers, But Satan can take something good and turn it into a license to steal.

      2. Dear Ed.


        We might debate communism-anti-communism, but this was not the topic for this article.

        We can also debate what Jesus feel about capitalism and even turbo-capitalism. Maybe Jesus would be an anti-Capitalist?

      3. Dear Ed.


        You wrote:

        Wow which is worse, digging his bones up for display or persecuting him for being anti-communist.

        My best guess.

        Its equally bad. But do not forget that Jesus did not vote.

      4. Jesus kept his money in the mouth of a fish in the middle of the sea so it would be there when he needed it. If he didn’t someone like the pope would have taken it in the name of communism.

    2. What “Truth” about the Catholic Church will be acceptable for you to think is fare to be told to the World? Pick one! Or sit back and Praise the Lord Jesus who is revealing The Truth about ”all things that are hidden, not just the Catholic Church. A wise move would be to ”Flee” …flee and run to Jesus !!

  2. Shalom!

    Ivar, the bones are bishop Zoltan Meszlényi’s skull and upper arm.
    He died in 1951 and exhumed in 1966.


    PS: I’m evangelical not roman catholic…..

    1. Dear Dave.


      Zoltan Meszlényi and József Mindszenty are two different persons. One was bishop, and the other reached the chair of a cardinal.

  3. Hey Ivar (a friend of peace?),

    If people want to be Catholic, why does that bother you?

    Thankfully, God does the judging and not you nor I nor the college coed across the street nor the Pope (current or prior ones).

    Catholics and Orthodox Christians are trying to live decent lives and are working on strengthening their faith.

    What motivates you?

    And as to communism, we all have a God-given right to the fruits of our labors, and communist regimes always abolish individual property rights. These are atheist regimes. So, Jesus would not be a supporter of communism.

    1. The pope supports communism, and global communism. That guy thinks big, probably because he thinks Gods job is his job. Read his maniacle writing in the popes encyclical called Caritas in veritate. But be shrewd as a serpent when you do, not falling for the web of buzz words and loopy run around. Paragraph 67 is one of the more interesting ones if your short on time.

  4. Wow…any Charismatic Roman Catholics here?
    I am not pagan-charismatic, but Charismatic Roman Catholic.
    What are those Catholic rituals anyhow?

    The prophesy of the Scripture cannot be interpreted before it takes place. Well, it can be but really is it Scriptural? It can be studied, but it shall not be interpreted, scripturally (if you look/see/hear the Writen Word). First, it takes place (it comes to pass/is fulfilled) and then you search the Scripture.

    What kind is this “watch on times?”
    Did God tell someone to do that? If you not Charismatic, you cannot do watch on times ministry, because it is calling from God that is accompanied with prophetic anointing and full presence of Jesus of Nazareth with Spirit of God.

    What is this–a Church mission? Which Church Jew or Gentile Church? (It is only Jews and Gentiles in the Church.)

    1. What is this ‘Charismatic crap’ ? I declare it seems when a Church wants to get more people in to boost up their availability for a Bank loan to widen their barns for more sheep..they’ll invent a new name to justify their lack of walking in The Word and denounce what they were yesterday and all that go by that ”old name” … Non-denominational, put a drawing of a flame on their building, when they don’t really want The the Fires of God, in their Church, it would mean The Lord’s in charge not ‘self’, I’ve asked many different ‘Denominational Church’s why the Non-Denomination title, they say because people are tired of Denominations, they want out of the ‘old ways and want new ways’, yet their ‘Home Organization sends them the pamphlets on what to and how to teach each Sunday…(these are the ones who they send their tithes to, and who sends out new preachers when the old ones don’t get the ‘numbers’ in on a regular basis. The World leads these people around like one would lead an Old Bull out to pasture by the ‘ring in his nose’…God help ’em!

    2. Kfisher said:

      “Agan charismatic’s have always practiced Stannic Confirmations and caused Blasphemy of God’s Spirit, as they do today so they did in the past—and their sins remain forever upon their seed and nations…the world is filled with different false Churches and non-denominations that reject the Spirit of God, and the Way of Jesus of Nazareth.”

      My reply:

      You have no idea what you are taking about and sound hysterical. The only point I am going to address that you made (because the rest is nonsensical) is to properly define what “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit” is since you are completely unaware of what Scripture teaches.

      First and foremost, NO ONE CAN COMMIT BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY SPIRIT TODAY. You have taken this scripture out of context. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is NOT THE SAME as just “blasphemy”. They are entirely different.

      Case in point:

      “In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees, having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that the Lord was possessed by the demon “Beelzebub” (Matthew 12:24).

      “Now notice that in Mark 3:30 Jesus is very specific about what they did to commit “blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.”

      “This blasphemy has to do with someone accusing Jesus Christ of being demon-possessed instead of Spirit-filled. As a result, this particular incidence of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be duplicated today.

      “Jesus Christ is not on earth—He is seated at the right hand of God. No one can witness Jesus Christ performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. The closest example today would be attributing the miracle of a redeemed person’s changed life to Satan’s power rather than to the effects of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

      “The blasphemy of the Spirit today, which is the same as the unpardonable sin, is the state of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in unbelief. Continual rejection of the Holy Spirit’s promptings to trust in Jesus Christ is the unpardonable blasphemy against Him.” –Got Questions

      1. You are grounded in reasoning of natural man.
        You do not understand violation of Church Orders and the Gospel by Satanic confirmations.
        These things are devices created by devil, and yes those devices can place one under Blasphemy of God’s Spirit, and cut off due to unpardonable sins. (It is a spiritual war).
        True believers worship in Spirit, apart from their mind (so do those who are under satanic confirmations), but you do not understand that. No one can fall under Blasphemy of God’s Spirit if they do not worship in spirit of Satan, and if they do not judge spiritual realities without Spirit of God (as Jewish teachers of Law did when Christ was walking the earth as God incarnate in human flesh).” They judged the spiritual realities in Christ by their own understanding, and they were Blaspheming God’s Spirit.
        What exactly was Holocaust? A war? Do you understand that there was Blasphemy of God’s Spirit in that point in time? Shortly before Holocaust there was Blasphemy of God’s Spirit. Church disorder and satanic confirmations are destructive in spiritual and natural.
        And you say “It is impossible to Blaspheme God’s Spirit” in this point in time. That is not accurate interpretation of the Scripture.

  5. Do not do any decrement for Church if you are not called to that ministry. Did God tell you to do that?
    In the Name of God and in the Name of Jesus I shall let you be accursed, as your ancestors were under curses and Blasphemy of God’s Spirit—practice of Satanic Confirmations is upon the seed and all generations. Can you break that off—sins of ancestors are upon you? Be Baptized in God’s Spirit if you can.
    Let me make clear to you that you are foolish, and you have no Spirit of God. You are not Church, according to what I hear from God.
    Church Charismatic is a Church that is as same as was on the Day f Pentecost, without false spirits and false ways of pagans and false laws –the way of Jews and Gentiles that are not called to election and to take part in Household of David. The Households of David obeys by God’s Spirit and Cross of Christ.
    Delusions are now (which are sent out and are point in time). Can you enjoy it?
    Pagan charismatic’s have always practiced Stannic Confirmations and caused Blasphemy of God’s Spirit, as they do today so they did in the past—and their sins remain forever upon their seed and nations…the world is filled with different false Churches and non-denominations that reject the Spirit of God, and the Way of Jesus of Nazareth. Nothing changes during Church age for the Church that is Spirit filled and equipped with all Spirit Guidance. But doomed remain in doomed, as they are, unless God Himself intervenes and sends them disciples that are Charismatic as they were on the first day of Pentecost.
    Don’t you get educated first and avoid sinning against God’s Spirit, and the Household of David. (I take no part in the way of Church harlot). It is written that hardly any of Household of Israel is saved in Church age). God has mixed them among the nations and he has given up on Household of Israel, but to Judah God is Faithfull by His Spirit.
    I hear in Spirit about your line of sins. Who are you woman, for you are under Generational sin of Blasphemy of God’s Spirit, and you must be Baptized by free fall of the Spirit, and then hands must be laid on to you (only if you are confirmed to be saved by demonstration of Spiritual gift). If you do not demonstrate Spiritual gift of known language that can be interpreted, then hands cannot be laid on to you. (They can but then you shall/or may be handed over to devil for destruction of flesh and salvation of your soul).
    Do not mock God and insult His Spirit that is Holy, I can write Church Order for you just because all that is in my mind by God’s Spirit. I can even teach you about the Truth. (But that does not mean that I shall declare that I should).

    1. ~~>. You said “Who are you woman, for you are under Generational sin of Blasphemy of God’s Spirit,” …”then you proceed in telling how it or I can be delivered from that..<~~~
      Sweetheart, there is no such thing listed in The Word of "A Generational sin of Blasphemy of God's Spirit" …much less 'God laying down an Order on how to get rid of it'' and using the 'laying on of hands…(smile) "It is definitely not the reason God told us how & why to lay hands on another."

      Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

      Mark 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

      I won't respond to the rest of your babbling, for that is just the fruit of where you are fed. But the ''root is dangerously leading you to untold sorrow.''

    2. Kfisher said:

      “In the Name of God and in the Name of Jesus I shall let you be accursed, as your ancestors were under curses and Blasphemy of God’s Spirit—practice of Satanic Confirmations is upon the seed and all generations.”

      “You are not Church, according to what I hear from God.”

      My reply:

      Who are you, kfisher to speak for God? You think that you have the power to curse someone and pronounce eternal judgement of them? GET THEE BEHIND ME, SATAN!

      This statement of yours is a perfect example of how the lies of the so-called “Charismatic” movement warps the mind . You have NO POWER AND NO AUTHORITY and your unbiblical take of what the Word of God is shameful. You have been lied to by satan — sounds like possession by the demonic kundalini spirit to me.

      Check out the articles Ivar has written about it on this site and quickly repent.

      1. JM do you know how to practice theology on TAP? I never learned such thing, I never learned that!

        I hear, “Remove yourself from the wicked and false Christians in the Name of Jesus of Nazareth.”
        I hear, “Let them be accursed.”
        I hear, “They judge you by a false spirit, I their own will-power.”
        I hear, “The wicked do all things in their own will-power.”
        I hear, “They practice lawlessness.”
        I hear, “Remove yourself from that fellowship, and let them be accursed.”
        Now that which “I hear” is prophesying, you may like to discern the Spirit/or spirits?
        No? Yes? Either way.
        There is difference when you discern the prophesying, and do discernment of the spirit. You are foolish. I am Baptized in God’s Spirit. You know nothing about that, obviously. (I can behave immature).
        Yes, go on and do the discernment of the spirit ministry, but who has appointed you to do that? Did God Himself tell you to do that? You are foolish, for you should not step out your spiritual appointed areas.
        Obviously, you practice lawlessness, according to the Scripture.
        Paul teach us to let the lawless be accursed (it depends who interprets the Scripture for you, or who teaches you according to Paul). No one teaches but Spirit of God, and God Himself does discernment for you (or not).
        Now let Satan be behind you, or in front of you. (I behave immature). If Spirit of God is not upon you, may you be handed over to devil in the Name of Jesus of Nazareth, and in the name of God be judged according to the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.
        By God’s Spirit I can let lawless (these who practice lawlessness against the Gospel of God) be accursed. This is what Spirit teaches, according to Apostle Paul. (You practice another Gospel, you stepping out your appointed area–judging spiritual realities apart from God’s Spirit. But you will say “how am I doing that?”
        By what authority can I judge? No one gave me authority to let false Christianity be accursed? No one but Paul! But who gave authority to Paul Apostle to teach that?
        Lawlessness has a sting of death-everlasting.
        When one let the lawless be accursed in the Name of God and Jesus of Nazareth it does not sound right? But God himself placed the Gospel of double-edged sword in mouths of His chosen, and called. Whoever violates the Gospel is accused in the Name of Jesus of Nazareth, and in the Name of God.
        Please repent if you can.

        Why was I led by Spirit to these people if I must remove myself from this fellowship? Thus must be some kind of false church cult. I came accros so many of that.

      2. Kfisher said:

        “JM do you know how to practice theology on TAP? I never learned such thing, I never learned that!

        I hear, “Remove yourself from the wicked and false Christians in the Name of Jesus of Nazareth.”
        I hear, “Let them be accursed.”
        I hear, “They judge you by a false spirit, I their own will-power.”
        I hear, “The wicked do all things in their own will-power.”
        I hear, “They practice lawlessness.”
        I hear, “Remove yourself from that fellowship, and let them be accursed.”
        Now that which “I hear” is prophesying, you may like to discern the Spirit/or spirits?
        No? Yes? Either way.”

        My reply:

        Sounds like you suffer from delusions and auditory hallucinations. You are a false prophet and a liar, unable to understand Scripture because you worship the spirit of antichrist and have NO TRUTH in you. Due to this, I will not address any of your points because you have no interest in truth.

        Interesting that you never commented about the demonic kundalini snake-like spirit who rules over you and causes you to be put into altered states of consciousness and delirium. Guess that was too close for comfort. You are one scary endtime deception wrapped up in a ball of unsound mind — bordering on sheer insanity.

        You said:

        “I am finished here.”

        My reply:

        Praise God!

        Please limit your influences to those with like mind — such as Todd Bentley and the Lakeland bunch.


  6. I guess communism is when the state forces folks to distribute wealth. Jesus left it up to the individual. He kept is personal. Big mistake to change the world by secular government. better to change from within. Only possible with Yeshua indwelling the heart and changing it. communism is a constitution enforced and coerced. Love is a free will choice. Yeshua said ‘you’ walk the extra mile, ‘you’ give your cloak, ‘you’ feed the poor. He didn’t say marry the church to the state and enforce good will. So tempting to do but history tells us that these systems enslave folks in the end. Unsaved human nature always gets in there and it’s ‘Animal Farm’ all over. Judas rebuked Jesus for the waste of the perfume spilt on his feet. He said ‘we could have sold it and given to the poor’ this guy wound up betraying Jesus in the end. I guess Jesus wasn’t communist enough for him.

  7. You referred to charismatic things as “crap.”
    That does not reflect mind of Christ. Rater it is a sin against the Church-Charismatic that is valid, and only valid one can do discernment on those things that are charismatic. How can you sin against Spirit filled Church if you have Spirit of God?

    I tell you the truth you are in a deep darkness, and you have no light in you. No Oil of God that comes from Jesus of Nazareth and His Spirit.

    Yes, search the Scripture.
    Satan knows the Scripture as well, and he will pervert it and twist it just to fit natural understanding of man-kind. (Or make Scripture complicated and far off from simplicity that is in Christ).
    Blasphemy of God Spirit is a sin that cannot be forgiven (personal sin).
    Nevertheless, if is a generational sin (something that your ancestors did is still upon you, but you not personally responsible for that sin—not a personal sin, but a generational sin). However it is an unforgivable sin upon seed of those who have sinned, and they are cut off unless they are in Faith and Spirit according to the Gospel of God, and Gospel of Jesus of Nazareth.
    You do not know enough about Church and Church Doctrine, Teaching office of the Church, Church Rituals, like Full Baptism in Spirit by free fall—a valid one. (Not false baptisms and seals of Satan what pagan-charismatic practice).
    You do not understand the relationship of Full baptism in Spirit and Forgiveness of Sins.
    By Faith you may be forgiven (if you have faith that is valid–that would count for forgiveness, and then you would receive the Spirit). But rejection of God’s Spirit does not equal works of Gospel by Faith.
    You do not have a mind that reflects the presence of God’s Spirit.
    The Spirit of Truth does not lie, either you are Jew or Gentile generationally (I do not know that). I just know your line of your sin—that is all. I cannot tell you more then what I know by God’s Spirit.
    Study the Scripture, I guess. I am not called to study the Scripture for you (I am not called to hold teaching office of the Church, but I can teach accurately just by God’s Spirit…I do not even have to look into the Scriptures). The written word of God is not activated apart from Spirit of God (not activated to your understanding). It is always God who teaches you by His Spirit (or not).
    Well, I must go..eventually understanding may be given to you.

    1. ~~>You said, I said (smile) You referred to charismatic things as “crap.”<~~ That does not reflect mind of Christ.<~~

      Would you feel better if I said ''Dung"…(smile)

      Dear Heart, I do believe you have been 'bathing in the Full Gospel Pool" …
      Be-careful as you continue to delve in these waters, for the water is 'not deep' and the return to surface will leave you exactly where you are now…Quoting errors.. We are to know no one by the flesh, not even Jesus Christ! I pray you'll be set free from that.. It's a hard fact to face that one is lead down the wrong path, but when they do…Oh Glory the Truth is sweet and the water is deep! Thank you Jesus ! †

      1. There is no Gospel, unless is a full and accurate one. Without that Gospel and accurate Baptism no one is grafted in into the Olive Tree, for the rest is a graft out by false ways and false spirits (or waiting for their timing which may never come, at all).
        There is nothing wrong with waters, unless they are full of filth, and no subject to a cleanup.
        Sure, like someone can deceive me when the Spirit of David/Spirit of Jesus of Nazareth is upon me. 🙂
        There is only a small fraction of church-charismatic that is valid here in US…they have no church order with their spirituals, just as do not churches that have no Spirit of God, in general :(.
        It looks more like a Church corporate under Cast-system of specific principalities…and so on.
        Spirit of Jezebels appearances that portray Holy Mary appearances for Roman-Catholic are “small-cap” delusion-destruction compared to the principalities of spiritual cast-system destructions.
        I only fellowship with Saints that have exactly one mind with I, and so far I only found one here, and many elsewhere.

        I am finised here.

      2. kfisher…You said “I am finished here.” <~~…."Well Thank God for that!" I've heard babbling before but yours takes the Cake! I do pray that someday you'll take heed to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, before it is too late. You'll confuse many a Babe in Christ before you do if you continue on this path!
        …I've heard many say about a particular person spouting things they know not of, 'they know just enough to be dangerous…
        Well Sweetheart you don't even know that much and you are terribly dangerous to yourself and to anyone who gives anything you say credence!
        May God help them all who takes anything you say serious

        Ecclesiastes 10:11 Surely the serpent will bite without enchantment; and a babbler is no better.

      3. Good morning, Andrea.

        Hope you are well.

        You said about kfisher, “I’ve heard babbling before but yours takes the Cake!”

        Amen to that. Sadly, her writing clearly depicts someone with schizophrenia. She said:

        “Women are not clean, and they only transfer spirit of Jezebels.”

        “I do not really try to study and interpret the Scripture, for I am not appointed to do that.”

        “For I am a woman and I was ordained by act of Church-disorder.”

        “I am often removed from the Church fellowship due to political theology.”

        I pray that the Lord heals her mind from the deception that has gripped her.

      4. Amen ! JM, I had not heard of the kundalini stuff till you mentioned it, so I looked it up…geesh…crazy! Yet the root of all that Satan throws at people are in the Word. That one reminded me of the people who have ‘hands’ Palm Readers…and such…Thanks for the info..
        One gets a lot of information on this sight (smile)

    2. Kfisher, I think you have a problem with which way you’re reading your bible, For instance when Paul speaks of himself mistaking it as Paul speaking about yourself.

      1 Corinthians 4:15 “Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.” “Therefore I urge you to imitate me.” He does not mean for you to imitate him as a father of the gospel as if the gospel comes from you, but to pass on the same gospel as he taught.

      1 cor 14:36 Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached? If anybody thinks he is a prophet or spiritually gifted, let him acknowledge that what I (Paul) am writing to you is the Lord’s command. If he ignores this, he himself will be ignored.

      1 cor 4:6 “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not take pride in one man over against another.

      I hope this helps you.

      1. 1 cor 14:36 (I understand these Scriptures in full by God’s Spirit).
        In Apostles Paul’s point in time and under his watch, ordaining a woman would be most lawless thing to do.
        Church Order is only thing that Church should be concerned in this point in time. People are not grafting in, hardly anyone is getting saved by traditional way of evangelism because of unpardonable Generational sins.
        It looks like receiving Spirit by Faith cannot take place.
        The Spirit must fall first, so that Faith is received. (That is what I see).
        Those who prophesy are not responsible to discern.
        Women are not clean, and they only transfer spirit of Jezebels when they practice ministry and hold teaching office of the Church (unless God does everything for them, for they are His prophets and they are clean by God’s Spirit). It is lawlessness to ordain a woman; yet, sometimes that takes place.
        Women are not clean, and they only transfer spirit of Jezebels. (It was always like that when they step out their appointed areas, they also practice lawlessness). By very sin that lawless sin they are judged. All that Apostles wrote is valid and all applies to maintaining the Church Order.
        I see in Spirit.
        I only see that which is visible in natural and spiritual realm. I do not really try to study and interpret the Scripture, for I am not appointed to do that. Every time I did attempt to study the Scripture, and I did I also was under spiritual attacks. And then I would fall under Spiritual warfare, for I am a woman and I was ordained by act of Church-disorder. They ordain woman and are practicing lawlessness (God’s favor is with His valid prophets, always as He teaches by His Spirit). Women cannot hold teaching office in the Church for it is lawlessness.
        The Spirit of God teaches me because I hear Spirit, and then I see the spiritual realities in natural. I only get a small fraction of understanding by reading of the Scripture. And I only do that when God’s Spirit leads me to do that, otherwise I get into a spiritual conflict.
        I often learn from holy priesthood that is clean, and I am often removed from the Church fellowship due to political theology that they practice in this point in time, and no one is correcting that.
        I agree with you. Often I imitate Paul. Yet, I should not be Paul.
        And I see same things that Paul saw in his point in time.
        What Paul saw in his point in time—these things are cotemporary visible in this point in time.
        And those things that Paul saw in his point in time are same today, yet contemporarily packed up. (I guess more visible to those who have insight by Spirit).
        In Apostle Paul’s point in time few Churches practiced lawlessness and were in danger of Spiritual excommunication.
        Paul was oversight, and was correcting their lawless ways.
        In this point in time Churches as Corporate of different nations are spiritually excommunicated due to lawless Church-disorder.
        These things have root- base with exactly same things that Church in Corinth practiced, and are not under valid oversight and correction.
        Nevertheless, Charismatic Church disorder adds sins to many.
        This is what they do with their disorder:
        They judge by the Gospel in a false spirit (people that are not clean are practicing ministry, and are transferring false spirits/false anointing). They demonize people.
        Baptism in Spirit is only by free fall of the Spirit. However they force false anointing by false spirit and defile people by unclean spirits. (They practice a total opposite order from valid Church-Charismatic).
        They mix up ordination and baptism in Spirit. They lay hands on people that are not saved. (They ordain them by defiling them in unclean spirit).
        In reality they hand over to devil and judge in an unclean spirit (and they do that by transferring anointing of false spirits).
        It is like total disorder and total lawlessness, in practice. That is what I hear and see in Spirit.
        Now in Paul’s point in time they would hand over to devil by God’s Spirit and God’s Spirit would be transferred to those who practiced lawlessness, and then they would be sealed by Spirit in repentance.
        However, when satanic confirmations are practiced repentance cannot take place because people are defiled, and sealed in spirit of a false prophet. Then, the Church-chaos gets vast. Not to mention Church-wars against humanity (the work of church-harlot).
        I can explain many things that are written in the book of revelation, but Spirit of God forbids me to get busy with things of End Times in detail. (It is not my calling to do that.)

      2. How is it you know the scriptures better than the one who wrote them? Paul says we know in part not in full.

        1 cor 13:9 “For we know in part and we prophesy in part,”

      3. Oh Ed, he don’t know the Scriptures…. ‘he knows of ‘some of’ the Scriptures, enough to put, mix and stir the brew for others to listen to..

        JM is correct in telling kfisher about the demonic spirit that rules him… the spirit of the ‘coiling snake’….”demonic kundalini snake-like spirit who rules over you”

  8. Ed
    1 cor 13:9 “For we know in part and we prophesy in part,”

    From David we learn in Psalms praises that he directs toward Spirit of God who gives him knowledge and guidance that is unattainable in any other way, only by Holy One is attainable.
    Paul writes: “We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.” (This is NIV version. God gives us understanding for everything, and He gives freely, and freely is received by those who have Spirit of God).
    It is Paul that writes that in part we know and in part we prophesy. (This is a corporate Church mission, and it is an orderly one). It is not the work of an individual by their spirituals—that would be doom and disorder. (There is perfect order and balance to those who are in mind of Christ).
    When church members are civil toward each other, this can take place- to practice that what Paul was teaching: For we know in part and we prophesy in part.”
    For example: Although a woman may have anointing of the Spirit to prophesy (or in this point of time some women are viciously violated and ordained by lawless to be lawless). God’s anointed may practice Teaching office, only if appointed by God, otherwise it would be lawlessness, still mature and male membership of the Church will know how to apply other spiritual gifts and look for that which may be relevant. There is no need in Church for woman to do any of teaching, but God use her in other way. Those who are elected experience no loss in spite of viciously violated Church Orders. Spiritual abuses are rooted in works of descendants of the wicked.
    That which is relevant is relevant, and that which is not relevant it is not relevant.
    John writes: “As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.” (Here John teaches the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, but he also points out false things that lawless church practices).
    We take and learn Scripture as a whole unit, and we interpret and apply the Scripture by Spirit of God. This is orderly practice for it is impossible to accurately handle the Scripture and Church Order without Spirit of God.
    Since time of First Generation of Christianity nothing has changed for Church that is in Spirit of God. However, much has changed for church harlot that is in false spirit and false way of false christ and antichrist.
    I did study Religion but it was awful thing and a spiritual trial. (I was exposed to vanity of many theologians).
    US church members are bullies and competitive to win whatever prize, and offten that prize is “hell,” in reality. I am used to bulling and offences that I am experiencing from some here. (I do not know what to tell you; it was awful to hang around those who have no Spirit of God, always).


    1. Maybe you learned a few things from the proud. The pope makes the same boasting, claiming that when he sits on his throne his interpretation of scripture is infallible, as if he knows in full. It’s just boasting though, pushing his way to the head of the table, Crowding out other voices. That’s not my church and never will be.

  9. Yes, the Baboons (but which one?). The Pope John II was beloved Baboon and most adorable in his spiritual state; however, he was under major temptation to plunge the whole Church Catholic, and make it full cult out of it. Adding Mary to Holy Trinity would make “holy fortuity” in a way that is what some of prominent US teachers/churches practice “holy fortuity” (I know how to mock with manners viciosly :). Women ordaind are usualy “unmercifull prophets” 🙂

    However, it is Church-Catholic-Charismatic’s that is valid and cuts, and limits according to will of God. (Other things are purely allowed, anointed do nothing unless they are appointed by God).
    I understand the wretchedness of this point in time.

    I cannot tell you more then what I know by Spirit of God. The Spirit of God rejects false interpretation of the Scripture by any other Spirit. (This limits even the Pope when comes to Church Doctrine).

    However, the Scripture was written in prophetic anointing of the Spirit, and in the same prophetic anointing the Scripture must be interpreted. (I do not know any other way that Scripture can be interpreted). There is order established and it is the order of Melchizedek, and under that order He who is Holy has promised to be present with His disciples. (I AM has so be present with His disciples while they are at work, otherwise their work and discipleship is not valid.

  10. Your main problems, of course, are: 1) Christianity is not a Bible-based religion, and the Bible nowhere teaches that it is; Christianity is a Church-based religion, and the Catholic Church is that Church; 2) you also do not understand the Bible.

    Of course, the Bible tells us that God became man, that He has established certain rites and rituals – the rites of the Old Testament, and, in the New Testament, Baptism, the Laying of Hands (for Confirmation and Ordination), the Eucharist, Anointing for the Sick, etc. Thus, yes, God’s grace works in and through the material world, the preeminent example of this being the Incarnation, where God Himself entered the material world; the Church is the continuation of Christ’s Body in the world, hence Christianity is rooted in the living Church, not mere letters on a page as was the Old Law. As the Scriptures said of Christ, “Thou didst not suffer Thy holy One to see corruption,” so some Catholics who have grown strong in God’s grace, being members of Christ’s Body, do not suffer corruption for some time after death as a sign of the grace of Christ in them. Yes, the Bible does tell us that grace works in material objects and even in bodies; i.e., merely looking on the brazen serpent restored health to the dying (Numbers 21:8-9); the bones of Elisha raised a dead man to life (2 Kings 13:21); Elisha’s body resurrected a child when he laid himself on top of the child (2 Kings 4:35, as St. Benedict also did); the mere shadow cast by St. Peter’s body healed people (Acts 5:15); rags which had touched St. Paul’s body worked miraculous healings (Acts 19:12), etc., etc. Even the Lord worked some healings through matter (the mud made from spittle and the washing in the pool of Siloam, John 9:6-7, etc.).

    This, in large part, is why God gave us the Church – so that we would not have to be guided by the idiotic ramblings of “Bible believers” who neither read the Bible carefully, nor understand it profoundly.

  11. Good Morning AurelisMoner,

    Though I continue to learn the Word of God, it seems you do not have an understanding of God’s word.

    All of the miracle’s in the Bible are because GOD did it. It was not Elisha’s bone’s that raised a dead ma, nor was it Elisha’s body that resurrected a child. It was GOD who did the miracles.

    Catholics give way to much time and love to relics, dead people, statues. They fell to see that none of that will save them. Only one man JESUS CHRIST.

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