« It’s time for Palestinians and Israelis to share a just peace» This is a slogan from World Council of Churches (WCC). They have lost their way. They have joined the forces that will put antichrist into the temple in Jerusalem.
WCC calls for an «end of the occupation of East Jerusalem» . WCC wants to force Israel to give the Jewish Biblical heartland, and give Judea and Samaria into the hands of Radical Islam, represented by Al Fatah and Hamas.
The week from 4th to 10th of June, WCC has called for an action week called «Its time for Palestine, World Week for peace in Palestine Israel». The same day, 4th of June, President Obama will agree with Islam in Cairo, that Israel has to be «forced into peace».
A united World will finally stand up against the Word of God and Israel. The last march to Jerusalem will be very colorful. There will be suicide bombers, US politicians, Roman Catholics, Lutheran Catholics, Methodists and Islamist`s, leftist politicians, «Christians» who worship men who perform signs and wonders, communist union leaders among others.
The only thing they have in common, is that they do not believe God of the Bible, and have been corrupted by the «Lord of this World. If they just had read the Bible, they would get a chance to repent and escape the coming wrath of God.
In the book of Joel it is written: 3:2
«I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land»
Even a child can read and understand this.
Jesus the Messiah said:
Matthew 13:38-40
«The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age».
Are you a member of a Church who promotes and supports The World Council of Churches, its time to get up from the chair and say:
«Our Church is wrong on Israel. I love Israel and the Jewish people. And our Church must do the same. The land WCC call «Palestine» belongs to our God. He has promised this land to the Jewish people. The Jewish Messiah did fulfill this promise to the Jews in 1948, by protecting Israel and the Jewish people through the war of Independence. The God of Israel can be trusted. His promises stands forever».
Where do you stand?
The list of Churches, with leaders sold out to the anti-Jewish Messiah:
Africa Inland Church Sudan
African Christian Church & Schools
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Israel Nineveh Church
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
African Protestant Church
American Baptist Churches in the USA
Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and Polynesia
Anglican Church in Japan
Anglican Church of Australia
Anglican Church of Canada
Anglican Church of Kenya
Anglican Church of Korea
Anglican Church of Southern Africa
Anglican Church of Tanzania
Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of America
Armenian Apostolic Church (Holy See of Cilicia)
Armenian Apostolic Church (Mother See of Etchmiadzin)
Association of Baptist Churches in Rwanda
Association of Evangelical Reformed Churches of Burkina Faso
Association The Church of God
Bangladesh Baptist Church Sangha
Baptist Association of El Salvador
Baptist Convention of Haiti
Baptist Convention of Nicaragua
Baptist Union of Denmark
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of Hungary
Baptist Union of New Zealand
Batak Christian Community Church
Bengal-Orissa-Bihar Baptist Convention
Bolivian Evangelical Lutheran Church
British Province of the Moravian Church
Canadian Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Catholic Diocese of the Old-Catholics in Germany
China Christian Council
Christian Biblical Church
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Canada
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States
Christian Church of Central Sulawesi
Christian Church of Sumba
Christian Churches New Zealand
Christian Evangelical Church in Minahasa
Christian Evangelical Church of Sangihe Talaud
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Christian Protestant Angkola Church
Christian Protestant Church in Indonesia
Christian Reformed Church of Brazil
Church in the Province of the West Indies
Church in Wales
Church of Bangladesh
Church of Ceylon
Church of Christ – Harris Mission (Harrist Church)
Church of Christ in Congo – Anglican Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Baptist Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Community of Disciples of Christ in Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Evangelical Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Mennonite Community in Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Presbyterian Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Presbyterian Community of Kinshasa
Church of Christ in Congo – Protestant Baptist Church in Africa / Episcopal Baptist Community in Africa
Church of Christ in Thailand
Church of Christ Light of the Holy Spirit
Church of Cyprus
Church of England
Church of Greece
Church of Ireland
Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar (FJKM)
Church of Jesus Christ on Earth by His Special Envoy Simon Kimbangu
Church of Melanesia
Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion)
Church of North India
Church of Norway
Church of Pakistan
Church of Scotland
Church of South India
Church of Sweden
Church of the Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine
Church of the Brethren
Church of the Brethren in Nigeria (EYN)
Church of the Lord (Aladura) Worldwide
Church of the Province of Central Africa
Church of the Province of Myanmar
Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean
Church of the Province of West Africa
Church of Uganda
Churches of Christ in Australia
Congregational Christian Church in American Samoa
Congregational Christian Church in Samoa
Congregational Christian Church of Niue
Congregational Christian Church of Tuvalu
Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches
Cook Islands Christian Church
Coptic Orthodox Church
Council of African Instituted Churches
Czechoslovak Hussite Church
East Java Christian Church
Ecumenical Patriarchate
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bavaria
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Brunswick
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Thuringia
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hanover
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Mecklenburg
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Schaumburg-Lippe
EKD – North Elbian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Episcopal Anglican Church of Brazil
Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East
Episcopal Church in the Philippines
Episcopal Church in the USA
Episcopal Church of the Sudan
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus (EECMY)
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
European Continental Province of the Moravian Church
Evangelical Baptist Church in Angola
Evangelical Baptist Union of Italy
Evangelical Christian Church in Halmahera
Evangelical Christian Church in Tanah Papua
Evangelical Church in Germany
Evangelical Church in New Caledonia and the Loyalty Isles
Evangelical Church of Cameroon
Evangelical Church of Congo
Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren
Evangelical Church of Gabon
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Austria
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Disciples of Christ in Argentina
Evangelical Church of the Helvetic Confession
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
Evangelical Church of the River Plate
Evangelical Congregational Church in Angola
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Congo (ELCCo)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Namibia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania (ELCT)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the Republic of Namibia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Zimbabwe
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ghana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Augsburg Confession in Romania
Evangelical Methodist Church in Bolivia
Evangelical Methodist Church in Italy
Evangelical Methodist Church in the Philippines
Evangelical Methodist Church of Argentina
Evangelical Pentecostal Mission of Angola
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in South Africa
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Egypt Synod of the Nile
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Iran
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Portugal
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Togo
Evangelical Presbyterian Church, Ghana
Evangelical Reformed Church of Angola
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Romania
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Free Pentecostal Missions Church of Chile
Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga
Greek Evangelical Church
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East
Hong Kong Council of the Church of Christ in China
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
Independent Presbyterian Church of Brazil
Indonesian Christian Church (GKI)
Indonesian Christian Church (HKI)
International Council of Community Churches
International Evangelical Church
Jamaica Baptist Union
Javanese Christian Churches
Kalimantan Evangelical Church
Karo Batak Protestant Church
Kenya Evangelical Lutheran Church
Kiribati Protestant Church
Korean Christian Church in Japan
Korean Methodist Church
Lao Evangelical Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
Lesotho Evangelical Church
Lusitanian Church of Portugal
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Lutheran Church in Liberia
Malagasy Lutheran Church (FLM)
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Maohi Protestant Church
Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar
Mara Evangelical Church
Mennonite Church in Germany
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Methodist Church
Methodist Church Ghana
Methodist Church in Brazil
Methodist Church in Cuba
Methodist Church in Fiji and Rotuma
Methodist Church in India
Methodist Church in Indonesia
Methodist Church in Ireland
Methodist Church in Kenya
Methodist Church in Malaysia
Methodist Church in Singapore
Methodist Church in the Caribbean and the Americas
Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
Methodist Church Nigeria
Methodist Church of Chile
Methodist Church of Mexico
Methodist Church of New Zealand
Methodist Church of Peru
Methodist Church of Puerto Rico
Methodist Church of Samoa
Methodist Church of Southern Africa
Methodist Church of Togo
Methodist Church of Uruguay
Methodist Church Sierra Leone
Methodist Church, Sri Lanka
Methodist Church, Upper Myanmar
Mission Covenant Church of Sweden
Moravian Church in America
Moravian Church in Jamaica
Moravian Church in Nicaragua
Moravian Church in South Africa
Moravian Church in Suriname
Moravian Church in Tanzania
Moravian Church, Eastern West Indies Province
Myanmar Baptist Convention
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon
Native Baptist Church of Cameroon
Nias Christian Protestant Church
Nigerian Baptist Convention
Old-Catholic Church in Austria
Old-Catholic Church in the Netherlands
Old-Catholic Church of Switzerland
Old-Catholic Mariavite Church in Poland
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Orthodox Church in America
Orthodox Church in Japan
Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and Slovakia
Orthodox Church of Finland
Pasundan Christian Church
Pentecostal Church of Chile
Pentecostal Mission Church
Philippine Independent Church
Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Poland
Polish Catholic Church in Poland
Polish National Catholic Church
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Church in Cameroon
Presbyterian Church in Canada
Presbyterian Church in Rwanda
Presbyterian Church in Taiwan
Presbyterian Church in the Republic of Korea
Presbyterian Church in Trinidad and Tobago
Presbyterian Church of Africa
Presbyterian Church of Aoteroa New Zealand
Presbyterian Church of Cameroon
Presbyterian Church of Colombia
Presbyterian Church of East Africa
Presbyterian Church of Ghana
Presbyterian Church of Korea
Presbyterian Church of Liberia
Presbyterian Church of Mozambique
Presbyterian Church of Nigeria
Presbyterian Church of Pakistan
Presbyterian Church of the Sudan
Presbyterian Church of Vanuatu
Presbyterian Church of Wales
Presbyterian-Reformed Church in Cuba
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
Protestant Christian Batak Church
Protestant Christian Church in Bali
Protestant Church in Indonesia
Protestant Church in Sabah
Protestant Church in South-East Sulawesi
Protestant Church in the Moluccas
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
Protestant Church in Timor Lorosa’e
Protestant Church in Western Indonesia
Protestant Church of Algeria
Protestant Evangelical Church in Timor
Protestant Evangelical Church of Guinea
Protestant Methodist Church of Benin
Province of the Anglican Church of Burundi
Province of the Episcopal Church in Rwanda
Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in Romania
Reformed Church in Zambia
Reformed Church in Zimbabwe
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of Christ in Nigeria
Reformed Church of France
Reformed Presbyterian Church of Equatorial Guinea
Religious Society of Friends: Friends General Conference
Religious Society of Friends: Friends United Meeting
Remonstrant Brotherhood
Romanian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Salvadorean Lutheran Synod
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches
Scottish Episcopal Church
Serbian Orthodox Church
Silesian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in the Czech Republic
Simalungun Protestant Christian Church
Slovak Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Serbia & Montenegro
Spanish Evangelical Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
The African Church
Toraja Church
Union of Baptist Churches in Cameroon
Union of the Armenian Evangelical Churches in the Near East
Union of Welsh Independents
United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands
United Church in Papua New Guinea
United Church in the Solomon Islands
United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United Church of Christ – Congregational in the Marshall Islands
United Church of Christ in Japan
United Church of Christ in the Philippines
United Church of Christ in Zimbabwe
United Church of Zambia
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
United Evangelical Lutheran Church
United Evangelical Lutheran Church in India
United Free Church of Scotland
United Methodist Church
United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast
United Presbyterian Church of Brazil
United Protestant Church
United Protestant Church of Belgium
United Reformed Church
Uniting Church in Australia
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa
Waldensian Church
First published: May 30th, 2009.
Published by Ivar
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Christian zionism is disturbing. The Church is the new Israel.
Dear Sophia.
When did this happen?
Sophia,
Where on earth are you getting your theology? What kind of God would turn His back on His chosen people? How can you have such a callous disregard for Jewish suffering–the very people from whom Jesus sprang? Please, please think about this. You will be in our prayers.
Sophia, Moses spoke about someone making Israel jealous. If the Church is Israel, then who is being made jealous? Paul told us in Romans that this is the Church. If the Church is to make Israel jealous then the Church can’t be Israel.
“They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation. Deuteronomy 32:21
A “people that are not a people, and a foolish nation” is a riddle that is answered by the true Church of Jesus Christ.
No. In 2,000 years Israel has not been jealous, and they will not become jealous until God uses them to make Israel jealous, in the Rapture. At that point the Church age will be over, and Israel will once again become God’s witnesses, during the Great Tribulation.
Those who think the Church is Israel are not reading their bible correctly, and consequently have the wrong eschatology. They will end up supporting the Antichrist, and he will destroy them!
I am guessing Pentecost, but I really couldn’t put an exact moment upon in.
Dear Sophia.
Well, during the days of Pentecost, Israel was still standing. Was there 2 Israels?
Sophia is only one of many misguided people who believe in the replacement theology. This is a perverted theory. The church or the elect can never replace the Jewish people it is very clear in paul’s letter to the Romans.
Jewish people were part of the Church.
Dear ozzy.
I agree on this old post. Thinks have not turned better since then.The replacement theology is a trap.
While I agree with you, how do you justify the replacement theology proof text of “there is no longer Greek, or Jew, male or female?”
Dear Arnt Writes.
Shalom.
Are there no longer any females?.. I must have misunderstood… I am living in a dream world….
Still there are Jews also. And even Greek’s.
The point of Paul the Apostle is:
Mercy and grace in available FOR ALL. It is no longer only Jews who can be saved, or only men who are priests.
Jesus did not desire us to become a bastard uni-sex race, but equal before the Living God.
This is the major, end gross error, of Replacement theology. For them there are no Jews, but only followers of “Christ”, and not followers of Christ…And there is only “fake females” too.
And the Greek’s are only fooling them selves, claiming to be “Greek’s”.
Dear Ivar.
Who are the “fake females” in your opinion?
Dear Lis.
Shalom.
If you did not understand my irony, I must have failed to explain my views on Replacement theology. There is obviously both females and Jews, still among us.
Dear Ivar.
I apologize for misunderstanding you.
As you know: My English is a bit imperfect.
But I now see the reason, why I should learn English at all so many years ago.
Dear Lis.
Shalom.
Your English…?…I must have the World record on blogs with the highest number of spelling mistakes.
Shalom.
It isn’t about spelling, but about misunderstanding.
Lis.
Shalom.
You see…I misunderstand you too….
Dear Ivar.
OK- it was pure irony..
A few minutes ago I read the Blessing from Numbers Chapter 6:24-26. It is for us to hear too, and be blessed.
“The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
The LORD make his face shine upon thee,
and be gracious unto thee:
The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee,
and give thee peace”.
Dear Sophia.
Yes, Jesus was a Jew, all the Apostles were Jews, and the gospel writers were all Jewish. (Luke might have been a saved gentile). The first Messianic believers were all Jewish. It would be strange if God did not preserve the Jewishness of the Gospel, and the Jewish people.
From where and when did God change His mind?
God promised to restore Israel, and gather the Jews from all the nations were He had scattered them. He could not have done that, if there was no Jews left on planet Earth?
I am a Gentiles believer in the Jewish Messiah. I have not been called home to Israel. So how can I replace them as a new Israel of God? Israel is Israel, and will always be Israel. With or without a majority of Jews living there. Many Jews in Israel do surely not know the Messiah. But He still loves them.
Dear Ozzy.
If Sophia does not know that the Jewish Messiah loves Israel, we are called to explain this to her in love.
Ozzy and Sophia. Jesus loves both of you, and He loves the Jewish nation. We are not flawless, neither is Israel.
Sophia is right that the Jewish people were part of the church till the church got gentilised in the 4th century in Rome, thats when the church began to think that it had replaced the Jews.
The Jews who don’t acknowledge Christ lost their inheritance. Those who did retain it.
Dear Sophia.
Thanks for a positive and reflective comment. Our relationship with the Messiah is based on mercy. Both for gentiles and Jews. In regards to Israel, it is all about the character of God. He has spoken, and so it will be. Modern day Israel is not a result of the righteousness of the Jewish people. Israel from 1948 to 2009 is the Word of God fulfilled.
Remember that the Messiah is more than a teacher of morals and values. He is also a fulfiller of the prophetic Word. And equally important: God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are one. Paul explains this in 2. Corintians 1:20. Nothing more, nothing less. Jesus of Nazareth can be trusted. He is the God of the Bible. He came from Heaven in flesh, died for our sins, resurrected, and went back home to Heaven.
Jesus himself said that “salvation is from the Jews”.When the disciples asked Jesus “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” in Acts1:6, He replied that it was not for them to know the times or dates. in other words they were right that there would be a restoration of the kingdom to Israel, but it was for God to decide when it would occur. Both Jesus and Paul speak of the “times of the gentiles” being fulfilled. Three times Paul mentions that the Gospel application was “first for the Jew”.More Jews today are accepting Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. This truth is to be kept in mind.As Peter told his listeners”Jesus must remain in heaven until time for everything to be restored”.
Dear Ozzy.
I can only say «amen» to your message.
just believe in Jesus..!!!!!!
Dear Ricardo.
Thanks for your reply. You see, the answer is not so simple. If Satan came to you, and told you to follow him, you would not. But if Satan came dressed like an angel of light, and claimed to be «Jesus», I guess you would be in big trouble?
Jesus warned us about copy-cat Messiah`s. One of the is Jesus of Rome, who cant save anyone in this life. He will send all of us to Purgatory. His Church tells us that he is so beyond reach, that we needs to pray to his mother, saints and madonnas. Another copy-cat Jesus is «Jesus of Mecca». He was only a prophet, and can not even save Him self.
The Jehova Witnesses present to us a «Jesus» that is not the creator, but the creators first creation. Only the creator «Jehova» should be worshiped.
The false Jesus-copies seems to have one thing in common. They do not acknowledge the Jewish people, as God`s chosen people. Neither will all this Jesus-copies tell us to bless Israel, and stand up for the Jewish peoples right to the land of Canaan, Eretz Israel. This Jesus can not be the Jewish Messiah, since he obviously disagree with His Father in Heaven. Paul explains this to us in 2. Corinthians 1:20.
A Church who does not stand up for all the promises of God of the Bible, can not be regarded as His ambassador. They have been corrupted, and have gone astray to follow the father of all lies. May the God of Israel have mercy on all of us.
Catholics do not believe that Jesus “cannot save anyone in this life”. Or that He will “send all of us to purgatory”. Or that the reason for praying to Mary and the saints is because God is “out of reach”.
Dear Sophia.
Shalom.
If you are right, I will be very happy. May our Lord Jesus of Nazareth keep on guiding you. Keep on reading the Bible, and believe every word you read.
Dear Sophia.
I have read The Catechism of The Catholic Church (CCC), word by word.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church defines purgatory as a «purification» so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven», which is experienced by those «who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified» (CCC 1030).
The problem with this doctrine, is that the purification has already taken place. It happened when the Jewish Messiah died in Jerusalem 2000 years ago. He died once and for all.
Those who give their life to Him today, will be cleansed by his blood. No more purification is needed. In that very moment you can be sure of salvation, receive the Holy Spirit, and walk in confidence that your Father in Heaven has forgotten your past, present and future sins. When Jesus died on the cross, he took your place.
Sophia, my sister.
When you make a mistake in the future, just go into your room, and pray to Jesus who is present but unseen. Ask for forgiveness, and He will forgive you. He has paid for your sins in full.
The problem with Purgatory, is that neither this place, nor this word is mentioned in the Bible. Its an invention by sinful men, who preach that penance and loyalty to a Church will save us. That will surely be a dead end, if we reject the blood of Jesus.
Open your Bible, and read. Pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth.
The deposit of faith given to the apostles is older than the Bible and the Bible is but a part of it and not the entireity. God’s revelation is complete in the Incarnation of the Living Word and the (topically recent) pouring forth of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, not in the dead text of Scripture, valuable and great though Scripture is.
Dear Sophia.
You wrote:
The deposit of faith given to the apostles is older than the Bible.
Well, Jesus do not agree with you. From which Bible was He quoting?
Who is the Word of God that became flesh? Read the Gospel of John, the first chapter.
From which Bible, did the first Apostles quote?
Jesus quoted from the Hebrew scriptures, which themselves were not canonised as what they are now even then. The Bible obviously was not canonised until after Jesus died and included the Septaguint.
Dear Sophia.
Jesus did not needed to be «canonised».
He said He had not come to change a single letter of
the scripture.
Matthew 5: 7-11:
«Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 1I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished».
Letter means letter. His did of course mean the Hebrew scriptures that He was quoting from. Not very strange, since He was/is and will forever be: The Word of God, that came in flesh.
We cannot but lament here over the fundamental fallacy of a system which has so unhappily divided Europe. The partisans of this system have said, We believe only in the Word of God. What abuse of words! what a strange and melancholy ignorance of Divine things! We alone believe in the Word, whilst our dear enemies are obstinately resolved to believe only in scripture; as if God could or would change the nature of things of which He is the Author, and impart to scripture the life and efficacy which it has not! The Holy Scripture – is it not then a writing? Has it not been traced with a pen and a little black liquid? Does it know, what it is needful to say to one man, and what to withhold from another? (22) Did not Leibnitz and his maid servant read in it the same words? Can this Scripture be any thing else than the image of the Word? And though infinitely venerable in this respect, if we should interrogate it, must it not keep a divine silence? (23) If it should be attacked or insulted, can it defend itself in the absence of its Author? Glory to the truth! If the Word, eternally living, does not quicken the scripture, it will never become the word, that is to say, the life. Let others invoke then, as much as they please, the silent word; we will smile peacefully at this false god; always expecting, with a tender impatience the moment when its partisans, undeceived, will throw themselves into our arms, opened to embrace them for three centuries past.
-Joseph DeMaistre
Dear Sophia.
You wrote:
«We alone believe in the Word, whilst our dear enemies are obstinately resolved to believe only in scripture; as if God could or would change the nature of things of which He is the Author, and impart to scripture the life and efficacy which it has not!».
My comment:
Well and good. But Jesus wants to tell you something else:
Matthew 22:29
Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.
Since Jesus did not change the scripture, neither should you.
Is the scripture alive! So absolutely. Obey it! and it will start to reign in your heart.
You will not like to live another day without the Holy Spirit revealing the meaning of every single letter. You will very soon become a «doer» of the scripture, not a «doer» of religious rituals.
Whats at stake here?
Catholics do live is constantly disobedience to the scripture. From the Pope on the top, to the most ignorant of his faithful. You have twisted and denied the Word of God, to follow human laws and traditions, sometimes in direct conflict with the Word of God.
There are Catholics that admits this error. They have an up hill task to say that «I am a Bible believer». In many Catholic Churches, that would lead to ex-communication.
I am not technically a Catholic. I have been going to the Catholic Church about a year and to RCIA but I am not sure which of the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Church is the Church and which is the schism.
Until I know that I am sort of in no mans land.
When did I (or the Catholic Church) *change* scripture?
How does this justify your scripture theology just using pieces of scripture when need to look it WHOLE!!!
Matthew 22:28-31
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
28 In the resurrection, therefore, whose wife of the seven will she be? For they all had married her.”
29 But Jesus answered and said to them, “You are mistaken, not [a]understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven. 31 But regarding the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was spoken to you by God:
Dear Sophia.
Now, I have to say sorry. Please forgive me. I had no right to put any label on you.
Sometimes, the Internet is so cold. It can never replace a good cup of tea, and a smile. It will always be better to sit in the same room, when we debate issues of faith.
I shall surely try to answer your question. I just god up, and need to take my breakfast.
Love and grace.
Dear Sophia.
Again, please consider my apology.
Breakfast is finished.
Lets start with the beginning, and lets take God of the Bible´s perspective.
In the garden of Eden, Adam and Eve was told to worship Him in Spirit and truth. They were not told to make statues and images of God. Simply because they could not see Him. They could hear his voice….
The people who wrote down His Words, could not see Him. But they heard his voice.
Jesus did not permit his students to make statues and images. It was basically a sin against God`s commandments. In fact, the 2nd Commandment. When Jesus told us to pray, He told us to go into our room, and pray to our Father who is unseen.
If He had told us to go inside our room and bow down to a statue, and than start to pray, Jesus was no longer in agreement with His Father, but a sinful man.
The Jews did no recognize Jesus as the Messiah, by looking at at statue of him, or a picture. They had never seen him. They recognized him, by reading the scriptures. The Messiah was supposed to have been born by a virgin: He was also suppose to have been born in Bethlehem, and to enter Jerusalem, riding on a donkey. Marvelous signs and wonders was supposed to happen in his footsteps.
– «Son of David, have mercy on me.».
How could a blind man cry our this message? Because He had been told about a Jewish savior, that would arise from the bloodline of King David, a King, King Messiah. Now this Son of God was passing by.
Before Jesus returns, there will be a false Messiah sitting in God`s temple. Like during His first coming, He will come in accordance with the scripture. The False Messiah (antichrist) will not. The False Messiah might look like the Catholic picture of Jesus, white, pale and blue eyed.
But could a Jew who walked in the blasting sun of the Middle East look like this?
Where did the Roman Catholic Church go wrong?
When Rome entered into the Church around 325 A.D. The Roman Empire was full of idols, in form of statues. The was no statues or images in the Temple in Jerusalem. The Holy Spirit will never enter into a building, with statues, idols made by sinful men. Not even statues sinful men claims to be Jesus. But a religious Spirit would love to live in sinful buildings.
The Holy Spirit does not live in buildings made by men. After the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70.A.D, the Holy Spirit lives in the heart of all who obey the Word of God, and give honor and glory to King Y´shua, the Jewish Messiah.
If you want to obey the Word of God, and receive the Holy Spirit. Get our from Rome.
Dear Sophia.
I was so inspired after breakfast by our conversation, that I made my comment to you a new article on the blog.
My article to you have been updated, and included more information than the reply above.
Thank you for posting this and the list. Too many read the church into all the verses that are clearly speaking about Israel, and have taken up with false teachings. I appreciate you calling them on it!
Thank you for the list….it deeply hurts to see so many really, that would go down that path against The Lord…though warned it will be so, it’s still hard to bear.
What about GARBC? I know my church does not support A-millenialism. Our pastor is a Word of God preacher. The Bible is the inerrant Word. It is a baptist church here in the U.S. Please resp asap. Thx.
Ivar, having been a Pentecostal pastor, I was shocked to learn that the majority of Christians believe in Replacement Theology. I learned of it in seminary, but never thought people actually believed it! You really have to force the plain word of God to believe Preterism. The reformers got this teaching from the Catholics. They never reformed that belief. I was mistakenly under the impression that most denominations were the same with minor quirks, etc. When I came to the realization that 85% of Christians in the world are preterists, I was shocked. And this was only 6 months ago! (Honestly. I just assumed that if you were born again, you believed the Bible was literal! I was so saddened (and still am) to find out that most Christians don’t even believe Jonah ever existed 😦
Who determines what is to be taken literal and what is to be taken spiritual. You obviously are a strong believer in the fancy word Hermeneutics. Don’t know if I spelled that correctly. Much of the traditional teaching regarding prophecy is a stretch of the scripture. I believe Jonah existed because Jesus refered to him.
What name is given to a non preterism person. and what kind of theology is Replacement theology?
Which fancy hermeneutics did I use?
“I believe Jonah existed because Jesus refered to him.”
Exactly
Dear Todd.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I believe Jonah existed because Jesus refered to him.
My comment:
Since Jesus did not refer to Queen Esther, did she not exist?
@Todd: The eprson is called a Dispensationalst.
And do you only believe something in the OT if Christ mentioned it? If so, how do you believe the NT?
Ivar
Greetings and Peace.
The fact that Jesus mentions Jonah confirms that Jonah did exist. Just because he does not mention Queen Esther does not
mean that she did not exist. She is in scripture and a whole book is written titled with her name. Because I believe all scripture, I believe in the existence of Queen Esther. Also Ivar, It is good to have a reply from you.
i am happy i do not belong to the lutheran church anymore in Finland. is it between 2-4 years ago i felt led by God to leave Ev. Luth. Church. All the Glory belongs to God: Father Son and Holy Spirit
There has been a massive exodus from the institutional church worldwide. Many Christian are now seeking organic church.
…There has been a massive exodus from the institutional church worldwide…..”and now the largest percentage of the church’s look more like Herodias Daughter dancing before the current fads, debauchery and the Governments removal of all moral laws, reference to The Lord Jesus Christ, to be replaced by another ‘god’ for profit, for the heads of any who speak The Word of God in Truth and Spirit.”
“get out of her my people”
Hello All
I have read your latest post, with the list of man made establishments. These are not the true CHURCH as CHRIST is the CHURCH. He is the Chief CORNERSTONE and the elect of GOD chosen before the foundation of the World are the building blocks out of ALL the nations in the World. JEW and GENTILE together.
In EXODUS Chapter 33 God replied to Moses. “I will be GRACIOUS to WHOM i will be GRACIOUS and I will Have MERCY on WHOM i will have MERCY.
TODD says:
May 6, 2012 at 6:16 am
Who determines what is to be taken literal and what is to be taken spiritual. You obviously are a strong believer in the fancy word Hermeneutics. Don’t know if I spelled that correctly. Much of the traditional teaching regarding prophecy is a stretch of the scripture. I believe Jonah existed because Jesus refered to him.
What name is given to a non preterism person. and what kind of theology is Replacement theology?
I believe the Author of “The Word” decides that (smile)…far too many Men who Interpret The Word for their own personal agenda for their flock leave out and add to The Word! Jesus made it clear in John 14, 15, 16 and 17. (many other areas of The Word also).
Andrea
I agree. The one who wrote gives understanding. If anyone lacks
wisdom let him ask of God who gives generously without finding fault. Unfortunately many have formulated their theology,and or eschatology because they have read commentaries and books by men. I am a strong proponent of reading only scripture, A bible with only scripture and no notes preferably. Let the spirit
teach. Most people do not want to wait for understanding.
Todd….I recently saw a Bible of a friend and asked “Where are The Scriptures?” Was told ‘there’ in the book you’re holding! I told them, but this is nothing but 3/4’s Commentary and 1/4 Bible. ???? Oh that is to ‘help me understand it better? I asked ‘Better than The Holy Ghost who knows what He says, means and for you to understand? hmmmm?? You’d do better to have a Comic Book! Conversation went down hill from there (smile)
My point exactly, and people read the notes more and before they read scripture. Its amazing how thick study bibles are now.
As you said per page =1/4 scripture and3/4 commentary. Huge money makers for the publishers. That’s why their is so much confusion when it comes to interpretation of scripture. We agree
and thats’s nice
Just thought of something also….many will be persuaded by their favorite Preacher, Denomination, and those who ‘walk in the love that don’t let The Holy Ghost do His job, thus….many say, talk, act, and look like the World, no difference from the World at all. Some historical facts, many houses had the mark of the Fish denoting they and that house was a Christian house. True many went underground by choice also..I see many choosing to go underground, instead of standing up and lifting the banner of Chirst speaking out when the World flat says…Don’t offend those whose morals are contrary to The Word of God.!
Ivar I hope you answer my question..
From the GARBC in 1954,
Quote,
“WHEREAS delegates to previous annual meetings of the General Association
of Regular Baptist Churches have expressed their hearty disapproval of and
opposition to the unscriptural program of the World Council of Churches….”
Looks like they don’t want anything to do with the WCC, unless something has changed.
http://www.garbc.org/?p=409
thank you it does.
As far as what is taken literally or spiritually in the Bible the answer is clear to me.
Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
We just need to know Him, not know about Him, I mean really know Him, as in being born again by the Word of God, Jesus Christ. He is in fact a personal Savior and He knows if you really know Him or just know about Him. Let’s hope and pray you really know where you stand in His eyes so He can open your understanding that you might understand the scriptures.
Amen, Dave 1543
The word of God, Jesus Christ is the revealer of truth
To know about him is not enough,to know him is everything.
God knows the heart, and he puts his spirit in you. Who can know the mind of a man except the spirit of a man. Who can know the mind of God except the spirit of God. It is his spirit who lives or endwells in those that belong to him. They know the truth
And are free.
Amen Dave…to know know Him is to love love love Him and I do and I do…Oh that part of that old song surely fits Jesus!
Let em get on with it, blind leaders of the blind, they will fall in a ditch, the only church I’m a member of is the one Jesus is the boss of and He is the head of the church, not some bloke in a silly hat. I’ve got a book that tells me in the last days all this will happen, I suspect these people have that same book, the sad thing is they appear neither to read it or believe it.
Kære Ant Writes.
Jeg ved jo, at du forstår dansk.
Tak for respons. Når du er enig med mig, er der vist ingen grund til yderligere debat om dette emne.
Men læs f.eks Rom kapitel 11.
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