Catholics and Lutherans fight over bones of saint

The Lutherans wants to bury the bones. The Catholics wants to display them. The dispute is over the remain of a man both the Churches claims was a saint.


This is the bones of «Knut the Holy», a Danish king found worthy of sainthood by both the Lutheran Church and the Roman Catholic Church.

The Catholic Bishop of Copenhagen
The Catholic Bishop of Copenhagen Czeslaw Kozon

The Catholic Bishop Czeslaw Kozon, and the Lutheran Bishop Kresten Drejergaard, both in Denmark, can not agree what to do with the bones.

The Lutheran Bishop, Kresten Drejergaard
The Lutheran Bishop, Kresten Drejergaard

The Lutheran Bishop wants to burry the remains of the Danish King. The Bishop of the Papal Church would rather like to display them in public in the Catholic Church collection of Holy items and relics.

«Knud the Holy» was king in Denmark from 1080 A.D. He was killed in 1086 A.D, Since the year 1100 A.D, his remains have been kept in a wooden coffin. His remains have been scanned by a medical college in the Danish city of Odense, in an effort to confirm the bones are the remains of the King, and to confirm that the King was murdered.

Source: The Danish Christian Daily «Kristelig Dagblad».

My comment:

To this rather «strange» dispute, I can only add that our saints are presently living among us, doing the will of the Lord. After people are dead, their Spirit and soul leaves the flesh, and depart either for Heaven or Hell. We should not pay attention to dead saints, and in particular not the bones they left behind.

This is an good example of how silly religious leaders might become.

I never was, and is not in the position to read the heart of «Knud the Holy». But I hope he was a good and God fearing man.

First published: June 20th, 2009.

Written by Ivar

The Church that lost both the truth and the way

« It’s time for Palestinians and Israelis to share a just peace» This is a slogan from World Council of Churches (WCC). They have lost their way. They have joined the forces that will put antichrist into the temple in Jerusalem.


WCC calls for an «end of the occupation of East Jerusalem» . WCC wants to force Israel to give the Jewish Biblical heartland, and give Judea and Samaria into the hands of Radical Islam, represented by Al Fatah and Hamas.

The week from 4th to 10th of June, WCC has called for an action week called «Its time for Palestine, World Week for peace in Palestine Israel». The same day, 4th of June, President Obama will agree with Islam in Cairo, that Israel has to be «forced into peace».

A united World will finally stand up against the Word of God and Israel. The last march to Jerusalem will be very colorful. There will be suicide bombers, US politicians, Roman Catholics, Lutheran Catholics, Methodists and Islamist`s, leftist politicians, «Christians» who worship men who perform signs and wonders, communist union leaders among others.

The only thing they have in common, is that they do not believe God of the Bible, and have been corrupted by the «Lord of this World. If they just had read the Bible, they would get a chance to repent and escape the coming wrath of God.

In the book of Joel it is written: 3:2

«I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land»

Even a child can read and understand this.

Jesus the Messiah said:

Matthew 13:38-40

«The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age».

Are you a member of a Church who promotes and supports The World Council of Churches, its time to get up from the chair and say:

«Our Church is wrong on Israel. I love Israel and the Jewish people. And our Church must do the same. The land WCC call «Palestine» belongs to our God. He has promised this land to the Jewish people. The Jewish Messiah did fulfill this promise to the Jews in 1948, by protecting Israel and the Jewish people through the war of Independence. The God of Israel can be trusted. His promises stands forever».

Where do you stand?

The list of Churches, with leaders sold out to the anti-Jewish Messiah:

Africa Inland Church Sudan
African Christian Church & Schools
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Israel Nineveh Church
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
African Protestant Church
American Baptist Churches in the USA
Anglican Church in Aotearoa, New Zealand, and Polynesia
Anglican Church in Japan
Anglican Church of Australia
Anglican Church of Canada
Anglican Church of Kenya
Anglican Church of Korea
Anglican Church of Southern Africa
Anglican Church of Tanzania
Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of America
Armenian Apostolic Church (Holy See of Cilicia)
Armenian Apostolic Church (Mother See of Etchmiadzin)
Association of Baptist Churches in Rwanda
Association of Evangelical Reformed Churches of Burkina Faso
Association The Church of God
Bangladesh Baptist Church Sangha
Baptist Association of El Salvador
Baptist Convention of Haiti
Baptist Convention of Nicaragua
Baptist Union of Denmark
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of Hungary
Baptist Union of New Zealand
Batak Christian Community Church
Bengal-Orissa-Bihar Baptist Convention
Bolivian Evangelical Lutheran Church
British Province of the Moravian Church
Canadian Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers)
Catholic Diocese of the Old-Catholics in Germany
China Christian Council
Christian Biblical Church
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in Canada
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) in the United States
Christian Church of Central Sulawesi
Christian Church of Sumba
Christian Churches New Zealand
Christian Evangelical Church in Minahasa
Christian Evangelical Church of Sangihe Talaud
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Christian Protestant Angkola Church
Christian Protestant Church in Indonesia
Christian Reformed Church of Brazil
Church in the Province of the West Indies
Church in Wales
Church of Bangladesh
Church of Ceylon
Church of Christ – Harris Mission (Harrist Church)
Church of Christ in Congo – Anglican Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Baptist Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Community of Disciples of Christ in Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Evangelical Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Mennonite Community in Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Presbyterian Community of Congo
Church of Christ in Congo – Presbyterian Community of Kinshasa
Church of Christ in Congo – Protestant Baptist Church in Africa / Episcopal Baptist Community in Africa
Church of Christ in Thailand
Church of Christ Light of the Holy Spirit
Church of Cyprus
Church of England
Church of Greece
Church of Ireland
Church of Jesus Christ in Madagascar (FJKM)
Church of Jesus Christ on Earth by His Special Envoy Simon Kimbangu
Church of Melanesia
Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion)
Church of North India
Church of Norway
Church of Pakistan
Church of Scotland
Church of South India
Church of Sweden
Church of the Augsburg Confession of Alsace and Lorraine
Church of the Brethren
Church of the Brethren in Nigeria (EYN)
Church of the Lord (Aladura) Worldwide
Church of the Province of Central Africa
Church of the Province of Myanmar
Church of the Province of the Indian Ocean
Church of the Province of West Africa
Church of Uganda
Churches of Christ in Australia
Congregational Christian Church in American Samoa
Congregational Christian Church in Samoa
Congregational Christian Church of Niue
Congregational Christian Church of Tuvalu
Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches
Cook Islands Christian Church
Coptic Orthodox Church
Council of African Instituted Churches
Czechoslovak Hussite Church
East Java Christian Church
Ecumenical Patriarchate
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Bavaria
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Brunswick
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church in Thuringia
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Hanover
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Mecklenburg
EKD – Evangelical Lutheran Church of Schaumburg-Lippe
EKD – North Elbian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Episcopal Anglican Church of Brazil
Episcopal Church in Jerusalem and the Middle East
Episcopal Church in the Philippines
Episcopal Church in the USA
Episcopal Church of the Sudan
Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church
Estonian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
Ethiopian Evangelical Church Mekane Yesus (EECMY)
Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church
European Continental Province of the Moravian Church
Evangelical Baptist Church in Angola
Evangelical Baptist Union of Italy
Evangelical Christian Church in Halmahera
Evangelical Christian Church in Tanah Papua
Evangelical Church in Germany
Evangelical Church in New Caledonia and the Loyalty Isles
Evangelical Church of Cameroon
Evangelical Church of Congo
Evangelical Church of Czech Brethren
Evangelical Church of Gabon
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Austria
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Poland
Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Slovakia
Evangelical Church of the Disciples of Christ in Argentina
Evangelical Church of the Helvetic Confession
Evangelical Church of the Lutheran Confession in Brazil
Evangelical Church of the River Plate
Evangelical Congregational Church in Angola
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Canada
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Chile
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Congo (ELCCo)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Denmark
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Namibia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Southern Africa
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Tanzania (ELCT)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in the Republic of Namibia
Evangelical Lutheran Church in Zimbabwe
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of France
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Ghana
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Iceland
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Latvia
Evangelical Lutheran Church of Papua New Guinea
Evangelical Lutheran Church of the Augsburg Confession in Romania
Evangelical Methodist Church in Bolivia
Evangelical Methodist Church in Italy
Evangelical Methodist Church in the Philippines
Evangelical Methodist Church of Argentina
Evangelical Pentecostal Mission of Angola
Evangelical Presbyterian Church in South Africa
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Egypt Synod of the Nile
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Iran
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Portugal
Evangelical Presbyterian Church of Togo
Evangelical Presbyterian Church, Ghana
Evangelical Reformed Church of Angola
Evangelical-Lutheran Church in Romania
Federation of Swiss Protestant Churches
Free Pentecostal Missions Church of Chile
Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga
Greek Evangelical Church
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria and All Africa
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem
Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East
Hong Kong Council of the Church of Christ in China
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
Independent Presbyterian Church of Brazil
Indonesian Christian Church (GKI)
Indonesian Christian Church (HKI)
International Council of Community Churches
International Evangelical Church
Jamaica Baptist Union
Javanese Christian Churches
Kalimantan Evangelical Church
Karo Batak Protestant Church
Kenya Evangelical Lutheran Church
Kiribati Protestant Church
Korean Christian Church in Japan
Korean Methodist Church
Lao Evangelical Church
Latvian Evangelical Lutheran Church Abroad
Lesotho Evangelical Church
Lusitanian Church of Portugal
Lutheran Church in Hungary
Lutheran Church in Liberia
Malagasy Lutheran Church (FLM)
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Maohi Protestant Church
Mar Thoma Syrian Church of Malabar
Mara Evangelical Church
Mennonite Church in Germany
Mennonite Church in the Netherlands
Methodist Church
Methodist Church Ghana
Methodist Church in Brazil
Methodist Church in Cuba
Methodist Church in Fiji and Rotuma
Methodist Church in India
Methodist Church in Indonesia
Methodist Church in Ireland
Methodist Church in Kenya
Methodist Church in Malaysia
Methodist Church in Singapore
Methodist Church in the Caribbean and the Americas
Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
Methodist Church Nigeria
Methodist Church of Chile
Methodist Church of Mexico
Methodist Church of New Zealand
Methodist Church of Peru
Methodist Church of Puerto Rico
Methodist Church of Samoa
Methodist Church of Southern Africa
Methodist Church of Togo
Methodist Church of Uruguay
Methodist Church Sierra Leone
Methodist Church, Sri Lanka
Methodist Church, Upper Myanmar
Mission Covenant Church of Sweden
Moravian Church in America
Moravian Church in Jamaica
Moravian Church in Nicaragua
Moravian Church in South Africa
Moravian Church in Suriname
Moravian Church in Tanzania
Moravian Church, Eastern West Indies Province
Myanmar Baptist Convention
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Evangelical Synod of Syria and Lebanon
Native Baptist Church of Cameroon
Nias Christian Protestant Church
Nigerian Baptist Convention
Old-Catholic Church in Austria
Old-Catholic Church in the Netherlands
Old-Catholic Church of Switzerland
Old-Catholic Mariavite Church in Poland
Orthodox Autocephalous Church of Albania
Orthodox Church in America
Orthodox Church in Japan
Orthodox Church in the Czech Lands and Slovakia
Orthodox Church of Finland
Pasundan Christian Church
Pentecostal Church of Chile
Pentecostal Mission Church
Philippine Independent Church
Polish Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Poland
Polish Catholic Church in Poland
Polish National Catholic Church
Presbyterian Church (USA)
Presbyterian Church in Cameroon
Presbyterian Church in Canada
Presbyterian Church in Rwanda
Presbyterian Church in Taiwan
Presbyterian Church in the Republic of Korea
Presbyterian Church in Trinidad and Tobago
Presbyterian Church of Africa
Presbyterian Church of Aoteroa New Zealand
Presbyterian Church of Cameroon
Presbyterian Church of Colombia
Presbyterian Church of East Africa
Presbyterian Church of Ghana
Presbyterian Church of Korea
Presbyterian Church of Liberia
Presbyterian Church of Mozambique
Presbyterian Church of Nigeria
Presbyterian Church of Pakistan
Presbyterian Church of the Sudan
Presbyterian Church of Vanuatu
Presbyterian Church of Wales
Presbyterian-Reformed Church in Cuba
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
Protestant Christian Batak Church
Protestant Christian Church in Bali
Protestant Church in Indonesia
Protestant Church in Sabah
Protestant Church in South-East Sulawesi
Protestant Church in the Moluccas
Protestant Church in the Netherlands
Protestant Church in Timor Lorosa’e
Protestant Church in Western Indonesia
Protestant Church of Algeria
Protestant Evangelical Church in Timor
Protestant Evangelical Church of Guinea
Protestant Methodist Church of Benin
Province of the Anglican Church of Burundi
Province of the Episcopal Church in Rwanda
Reformed Christian Church in Serbia & Montenegro
Reformed Christian Church in Slovakia
Reformed Church in America
Reformed Church in Hungary
Reformed Church in Romania
Reformed Church in Zambia
Reformed Church in Zimbabwe
Reformed Church of Alsace and Lorraine
Reformed Church of Christ in Nigeria
Reformed Church of France
Reformed Presbyterian Church of Equatorial Guinea
Religious Society of Friends: Friends General Conference
Religious Society of Friends: Friends United Meeting
Remonstrant Brotherhood
Romanian Orthodox Church
Russian Orthodox Church
Salvadorean Lutheran Synod
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches
Scottish Episcopal Church
Serbian Orthodox Church
Silesian Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in the Czech Republic
Simalungun Protestant Christian Church
Slovak Evangelical Church of the Augsburg Confession in Serbia & Montenegro
Spanish Evangelical Church
Spanish Reformed Episcopal Church
Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate of Antioch and All the East
The African Church
Toraja Church
Union of Baptist Churches in Cameroon
Union of the Armenian Evangelical Churches in the Near East
Union of Welsh Independents
United Church in Jamaica and the Cayman Islands
United Church in Papua New Guinea
United Church in the Solomon Islands
United Church of Canada
United Church of Christ
United Church of Christ – Congregational in the Marshall Islands
United Church of Christ in Japan
United Church of Christ in the Philippines
United Church of Christ in Zimbabwe
United Church of Zambia
United Congregational Church of Southern Africa
United Evangelical Lutheran Church
United Evangelical Lutheran Church in India
United Free Church of Scotland
United Methodist Church
United Methodist Church of Ivory Coast
United Presbyterian Church of Brazil
United Protestant Church
United Protestant Church of Belgium
United Reformed Church
Uniting Church in Australia
Uniting Presbyterian Church in Southern Africa
Uniting Reformed Church in Southern Africa
Waldensian Church

First published: May 30th, 2009.

Published by Ivar

U.S Church wants Obama to keep on strangling Jewish settlers

Eight out of 10 Presbyterian leaders wants the US Government to end aid to Israel, to stop “settlement expansions in disputed Palestinian territories”.

They are obeying God of Israel on the Mountains in Zion. The Messiah Jesus will bless them.

Presbyterian Church publishes report on Middle East issues that was approved with 82 per cent of the vote during the church’s annual general assembly in Minneapolis.

The report is meant as a guide for the denomination’s more than two million members The move was immediately criticized by Jewish groups.

But other aspects of the report on Middle East issues adopted by delegates of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) earned qualified praise from pro-Israel organizations, which have long taken issue with various Presbyterian statements on Middle East peace.

“We feel we’ve brought together people who previously had trouble talking about some of these issues together,” said the Rev. Karen Dimon of Northminster Presbyterian Church in North Syracuse, N.Y., and chairwoman of the committee that produced the 172-page report.

Ethan Felson, vice president of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, said he still took issue with major aspects of the report, but said it contained important signals that could lessen long-standing tension between Presbyterians and pro-Israel Jews. He said it strengthens support for Israel’s right to exist and removes comparisons of Israeli policy to apartheid.

“Concerns remain, but I have hope that authentic dialogue and better relations can come of this,” Felson said.

Source:  Jerusalem Post.

My comment:

The US do not send “aid” to Israel. The US have trade and defense relations with the Jewish state.

What this Church in the US is asking for, is similar to what 20 Muslim nations have done since 1948.  “Boycott Israel, till we have got our hands back on our Palestine”.

To end “settlement expansion in disputed Palestinian territories”, is to declare war on the Word of God. Because these areas are the ancient Mountains of Zion. The Biblical districts are called Judea and Samaria.

And if the mountains of Zion ever gets “Juden free”, than the Presbyterian Church has managed to make Satan the true God.  Because than the Prophetic books of the Bible are nothing but lies and falsehood.

You better chose wisely which side you want to be on.

First published: 12.07.2010

Written by Ivar

False Christians against Israel

Ultimately, the aim of groups like the World Council of Churches is not biblical.

WCC Secretary General Olav Fykse Tveit and the Pope agree that Zion does not belong to the Jews.

The World Council of Churches recently sponsored a debate on the situation of Christians in the Middle East.

This debate went unnoticed by most, but which provided another huge red flag in regards to the direction the Church is going as it relates to Israel and the Jews.

Meeting in Volos, Greece, a collection of 30 theologians, social scientists, politicians and church representatives. They labored for five days to decisively identify the reason for shrinking Christian communities across the Middle East.

They could have saved their time and their money for other things like, you know, feeding the poor, because everyone already knew what the conclusion was going to be.

Israel, and specifically Zionism, is making life untenable for Christians in the region, announced the group in its closing statement.
“…conflict situations such as Palestine…have seen significant drops in the Christian populations because of Israeli occupation,” said the World Council of Churches, ignoring the myriad other reasons why Christians no longer feel comfortable or safe in a society where Hamas can win a landslide electoral victory.

In place like Egypt, where Christians are increasingly being targeted for their faith in the wake of “democratic” revolutions, the council attributed the shrinking Christian demographic to “economic and immigration realities.”

This was to be expected from the World Council of Churches, a Geneva-based organization that represents 347 Protestant churches and denominations, and counts among its constituents more than 500 million Christians world-wide.

In a 2007 conference in Jordan that also focused on dwindling Christian communities in the Middle East, the group called for a political crusade to end the Jews’ “occupation” of their biblical lands.

When it comes to the Christian situation in the Middle East, Islam is just not a problem. It’s all those pesky Jews.
The Church in general has a long history of dedicating resources to harassing the Jews and painting them as the “enemies of Christ(rians),” which the Bible specifically warns against.

Many thought we had moved beyond all that, that the horrors of the Holocaust had finally woken the Church to how wrong it had been.
In fact, those Christians involved today in this new brand of Israel-bashing will most loudly protest the label of anti-Semitism. But, as the saying goes, “methinks they do protest too loudly.”

What the World Council of Churches and others like it are doing is rebranding that most anti-Semitic of doctrines – Replacement Theology.

Instead of calling for their heads, this new brand of Replacement Theology sheds crocodile tears for the Jews as mistreated lost souls who once tasted God’s goodness, but have since been replaced as His “chosen” because of their rejection of Jesus.

They do not hate the Jews (at least not openly), but they believe the biblical promises made to national Israel have expired.
And that is where the State of Israel comes in. If God’s promises to national Israel are no longer valid, then modern Israel has nothing to do with biblical prophecy or God’s plan of global redemption.

And, if God’s big picture plans don’t include the reborn Jewish state, then these Christians feel freer to pursue their unbiblical humanist agenda – seeking what they call “social justice” for Palestinian Christians.

But Jesus never taught his followers to fight for “social justice” by seeking political sovereignty. He taught that His followers would be persecuted and should endure that situation with humility and meekness in order to reach their oppressors, real or perceived, with His message of love.

Ultimately, the aim of groups like the World Council of Churches is not biblical, it’s not even about genuine social justice.

Whether they know it or not, whether they accept it or not, their agenda is about advancing the cause of Islam and reversing what God is doing in this land.

Source: Israel Today

My comment:

Well said. Even though Jesus would have made it even more clear.

 Mark 7:8-10
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.” And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Another way to express the same:

Those who let go of the command of God, are doing the devils work. In regards to Israel, a lot of the devils work is being done in the name of “Jesus”.

Dear Jewish brethren.

That many false Christians do harm to you in the name of Jesus, must not block you from seeking and embracing the true Messiah, Yeshua from Nazareth.  Many who believe in Jesus (English translation) are lovers of Israel and the Jewish people.

First published 18.07.2011.

Written by Ivar

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