God of the Bible “raptured” the Hebrews out of their troubles in Egypt. In a similar way the believers in Jesus will suddenly be taken away.
There are striking similarities between the tribulation in the book of Exodus and the tribulation in the book of Revelation.
For the Egyptians who lost all their firstborns, this night of the destruction angles must have felt like the Great tribulation. God sent sudden and total devastation of a kind that is able to cripple a nation. Egypt also lost its entire army in the disastrous persecution of the Jews, following them into the Red Sea.
The Jews were “raptured” out of their trouble in Egypt. Pharaoh’s army perished.
God of the Bible also kept the Hebrews safe from some of the plagues that came on the Egyptians.
When you read the book of Revelation, you will see similarities to all that took place in Ancient Egypt. Close to the end, just before the seven bowls of God’s wrath is emptied onto the Earth, the two witnesses will be raptured.
But the believers in Jesus will have to live through the ages of the seals and trumpet’s, that through the ages has released judgment and pain on the Human race. Many Messianic believers will be tortured and face martyrdom. Last year alone 165.000 people was murdered because of their Christian faith.
But as the Hebrew’s escaped the worst of the wrath that came up on the Egyptians, so will the true followers of Jesus be taken away.
The final exodus will take place just before God of the Bible strikes the Earth with the final wrath.
A not deniable rapture of the two witnesses takes place in the Book of Revelation, Chapter 11. But the escape comes only after sever persecution.
Back in the book of Exodus, the Hebrews had to face pain and agony during the plague of blood and plague of frogs. They did not escape all the God sent trouble.
But when the plague of flies struck Egypt, something of great importance happened. The evil spirits behind the Egyptian magicians were no longer capable of copying Moses.
When the plague of flies struk the pagan Egyptians, the Hebrews living in Goshen escaped this part of God’s wrath. Also the livestock of the sons and daughters of Jacob were spared, and the Hebrews were “raptured” above the plague of darkness.
By comparing these two seasons of God’s wrath and judgment, you will see the same pattern.
1. God will surely bring judgment on His enemies.
2. The children of Satan has been given the power to perform miracles.
3. Some plagues will effect all people.
4. Those who are chosen will nevertheless escape the worst parts of God’s wrath.
5. Close to the end, those who believe and obey will be raptured out of pain, agony and tribulation.
6. Those who rebel and remain enemies of God, will face the great tribulation, and the final total devastation.
Something to reflect on.
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I think you have made a mistake with this. this verse says that it is only those who are ” not ” sealed with the seal of God that are tortured.
Best wishes
Dear George.
Shalom.
You are absolutely right. Thanks for correcting me in love.
I do not believe in no prosperity gospel. The only thing I place my faith in completely is Jesus Christ, because he’s never failed me.
Revelation 9:4 speaks of the 144.000 who are sealed in Rev. 7:3-8.
I do believe that there is enough evidence in the bible that leads me to believe in a pre-trib rapture.
Bible Verses:
They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath. (1 Thes 1:10)
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (1 Thes. 4:16-17)
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:9)
These are the rapture verses, named for the Latin translation of the Greek word harpadzo, which means to be caught up or snatched away.
The first letter in Thessalonians Paul gave us the first clear promise of a pre-tribulation Rapture. Paul called Jesus the one who will rescue us from the coming wrath in chapter 1. If you look up the full meaning of the Greek word translated “from” in 1 Thes. 1: 10, you’ll see an even clearer meaning of what Paul meant. In Chapter 4 Paul said this seperation would happen when the Lord comes to take us to be with Him in Heaven, and that is first the believers who have died will be raised up, then, we who are still alive will be called to meet the Lord in the air.
Notice this verse: where Paul repeats his thoughts: For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:9
Either way, I look forward to the coming of Jesus Christ, my King, my father, my One and Only Savior.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
That we are not going to face wrath, has to be understood in the eternal perspective. For Christians who are tortured, crippled, and martyred, a theological debate on tribulation or Great Tribulation is only of academical interest. True followers of Jesus have been slaughtered in millions through the ages.
I feel the difference between persecution and wrath, has to be objective. God has permitted true followers of Jesus to face the ultimate sacrifice. He bluntly says, that those who try to save their life’s will loose everything. But those who give up their life for him, shall win everything.
165.000 people on Earth, did exactly that in 2009.
These are plain words that contradict the pre-tribulation doctrine.
Ivar
(Isaiah 26:19-21)
But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.
Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.
See, the LORD is coming out of his dwelling to punish the people of the earth for their sins. The earth will disclose the blood shed upon her; she will conceal her slain no longer. *end*
The above is obviously speaking of the rapture in the Old Testament.
It’s similar to Paul’s teaching on the rapture in 1 Thes 4:16-17 & 5:9.
And though, I still lean towards a pretrib view, the persecuted christians who have died are now living with our Lord Jesus Christ. Glory to God for that.
No one knows what will happen the next moment, which is why we all must remain ready, to be with our Lord.
God Bless.
ivarfjeld,
i understand that your are trying to use the sufferings and persecutions and slaughters of our fellow believers just to prove your post-trib position, even saying that those are plain words that contradict the pre-tribulation doctrine.
let me remind you my brother on Matthew 24:21, “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
you can not compare our slaughtered Christians and their sufferings on the sufferings that will come on this GT, where in God’s wrath will be felt to the max, that is why i can say that these are plain words to say that pre-GT rapture is necessary as properly quoted scriptures by Gloria.
Dear Ruis
Shalom, and thanks for this comment.
Do I hold a post-tribulation end time view?
No I do not. I hold a rapture and persecution anytime view. I am ready for both. The rapture can take place anytime. This might also be the day of my arrest, and torture.
The problem with a pre-trib end time view, is that there seems to an ongoing Great Tribulation in our days. Ask the Japanese how it felt under the tsunami. What this a part of God’s wrath on the face in the Earth?
What about the 2 billion people who struggle to get food every day? The merciless slaughter of 165.000 Christians in 2009? 80 per cent of them killed in Muslim nations, because they believed in Jesus?
The Global Media do not tell us how horrible life is on Earth for half of its population. For a man who is about to die in the tsunami, its only of academic interest if this catastrophy is a part of the tribulation only, or a part of the Great Tribulation.
ivar, please clarify.. are you trying to say that the Great Tribulation is already happening? and the recent Japanese tsunami is part of God’s wrath? and the 2009 slaughter what is its connection on the Great Tribulation?
concerning your reply..
“Do I hold a post-tribulation end time view?
No I do not. I hold a rapture and persecution anytime view. I am ready for both. The rapture can take place anytime. This might also be the day of my arrest, and torture.
The problem with a pre-trib end time view..”
well you have given a showbiz like answer – do not admit-do not deny.. but your problem with the pretrib and no problem with the posttrib revealed your position.. is that not a form of lying and hypocrisy my brother? just asking no offense..
Dear Ruis.
Shalom.
You wrote:
well you have given a showbiz like answer – do not admit-do not deny.. but your problem with the pretrib and no problem with the posttrib revealed your position.. is that not a form of lying and hypocrisy my brother?
My reply:
The rapture will take place when it takes place. There is pretty little i can do about it. I have no problem with a possible pre-trib rapture. If it takes place this evening, I will be more than happy to meet Jesus in the air……!!!!
If we are already inside the Great Tribulation, I guess this evenings possible rapture, will not be a pri-trib rapture?
Why does the church get so caught up in pre,mid,post tribulation? Its such a division.
Ivarfield huge fan I have been reading your blog for about 6 months. I recommend it to everyone!
Question what are your thoughts about the nephilim returning to earth prior to the rapture of the church. Could the return of the nephilim be the coming great deception even the elect will be deceived by?
May God Bless you and your continued work with this blog. Thanks Richard
That’s interesting Richard that you bring up the nephilim. I have read articles that suggest these are “aliens” that will be involved in the deception.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I heard one senior Christian explain that Al Gore was one of these “aliens” from space, that had no souls. I almost fell off my chair. I told her: You watch to much God-TV.
lol Ivar,
I don’t believe in aliens at all. Let me just clarify that. I was just wondering about this bible verse.
Luke 17:26 says: “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man.”
So some bible studiers, believe that this verse suggest that the nephlim in Genesis (I think that’s the right bible chapter) will return.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I feel this is a deceptive understanding of this verse. In the days of Noah, people were drinking, given in marriage, and made fun of Noah that explained to them that judgment was coming. The flood took them by surprise.
The situation on Earth today, is very similar.
In regards to the Nephlim, there is only one verse about “it” And it is not wise to make an end time doctrine out of this strange creature.
Dear Gloria.
Matthew 24:38
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark.
This verse explains a little bit deeper Luke 17:26.
Very true. You are right Ivar. I do not see a direct connection to the nephilim and that verse.
Your right about the drinking and marrying. That does make more sense out of the Just in the days of noah verse.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by.
My reply:
I feel you are applying a verse, that is not a rapture. To the opposite, these passage in Isaiah explains that we are still on Earth, hiding. In Heaven there is no need to hide.
Jesus never said we were going to escape wrath on Earth. He said: If you are persecuted in one village, escape to another.
But the eternal wrath, will not effect believers. That is for the wicked.
Ivar,
I admit Ivar I am still learning from the Word of God, and try to study his Word everyday. I appreciate the help you have given me.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I am not infallible. Let the scripture be our final authority. When I commit mistakes, please correct me in love. I am also a student, who get new knowledge from Him every day.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Thanks for being such a faithful reader.
You asked:
Question what are your thoughts about the nephilim returning to earth prior to the rapture of the church?
My reply:
I have no idea. Never reflected on this.
In regards to the pre-tribulation doctrine: Are people who believe in this, ready to be tortured and killed for their faith in Jesus?
If not: This is a deception. If “yes”. Than it does not matter when the rapture will take place.
As Paul explains. Either I live or die, I belong to Jesus for eternity.
i do respect all differing views of believers, though i have my own preference. i do respect my brother ivar for his views.
but to ask Why does the church get so caught up in pre,mid,post tribulation? Its such a division.and at the same time admitting that you are a huge fan of ivar who is a post tribulationist and even recommending him to everyone.. it seems funny, does it meant that you were also caught up in the division?
dont get me wrong i dont have anything against being a fan of ivar and at the same time recommending him. in fact im glad that i happened to find this blog.
Am I ready to be tortured or killed for christ yes!
So are you saying you do not believe in the pre-tribulation rapture of the church?
What do you think the coming great deception will be?
Just curious thanks again
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I am ready for the rapture any day, and I am ready for more severe persecution. I feel this is not a view that contradicts the scripture. My Master might come in a moment, when I am not expecting him. I therefore need to be ready any moment, have enough oil, and keep my flame burning
The coming great deception is already here. The spirit of antichrist leads people astray, to follow copy-cat Jesus’es. We are now waiting for the final false Messiah in flesh, to enter the World stage.
im glad you raised this point Richard,
this is good brother,
for you to know that it seems there is a holier than thou attitude on some posttribbers, i dont mean this include ivar (peace ivar), they seem to say that they are ready to face torture and sufferings for Christ, while the pretribbers are not! just because we happen to believe on pre-trib we are afraid of torture and martyrdom!
Dear Ruis.
Shalom.
You wrote:
while the pretribbers are not! just because we happen to believe on pre-trib we are afraid of torture and martyrdom!
My comment:
I do understand that there has been tribulation since the day Jesus ascended into Heaven. Millions of Christians have died as martyrs.
I do understand that tribulation is a man made disaster, and the Great Tribulation rather God’s wrath that will strike the Earth and billions will perish.
But even the Holocaust must have felt as a part of the Great Tribulation.
Did not God of the Bible permit 6 million Jews to be gassed in Nazi-Germany?
These Jews were almost 50 per cent of the Jews on the surface of the Earth.
The last 100 years has been a living hell for half of the population on Earth. More than 200 million people have been slaughters by totalitarian regimes like Nazi-Germany, Russia and China. While a billion people surf through life with their fridges full, and have in plenty, more than a billion people hardly have any food.
I’m just shocked that you do not correlate as in the days of noah with the return of the nephilim? What about ufo’s, cattle mutilations, abductions etc..
What peaked my interest in the topic was when the Vatican came out in 2007 and said it was ok to believe in extraterrestrials and that subject did not create a contridiction with scripture. I really questioned that notion. What about Epheshians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Couldnt that be UFOS, aliens, nephilim?
I have really come to study the subject and I agree with christian authors such as Chuck Missler, LA Marzulli, Steve Quayle, Patrick Heron, Stan Deyo….etc There are so many. What better way to unite all the faiths than through a demonic UFO revealing? Ronald Reagan even said during a speech at the UN that UFOS would bring the world together.
Dont you find it odd that there are so many UFO movies as if the global elite is conditioning us?
Thank Again Richard
Richard,
Epheshians 6:12 means our struggle against Satan and his demons-they are the powers of this dark world and they are the evil forces in the heavenly realms.
And with all due respect Richard, are you saying you believe in UFO’s beause the vatican says it’s okay? Because the Word of God says God created man and woman: NOT man, woman, and alien. And the Word of God is 100% completely correct.
God Bless
Also I’d like to add Richard,
Have you ever seen a demon? Because I have. Yes, I have rebuked them in the name of Jesus Christ, and they’ve fled, but I have seen them.
And it isn’t a huge stretch of the imagination to think that satan’s minions can parade themselves for people to see, and then people think oh okay, I’ve seen an alien.
Agan the bible says in Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Absolutely Not! I believe in the return of the nephilim because of scripture? As in the days of noah so will be the coming of the son of man. I would also refer you to Genesis 6.
Dear Richard and Gloria.
Shalom.
I feel this verse from Genesis chapter six, should not be of a caliber that makes Christians get hot tempered. I am open for different takes on this. I believe in demons, and they come from the spiritual realm of darkness. If you believe in UFO’s, I have no objections. A demon can get projected, and appear in flesh. Just like angles can come in flesh, and walk among us. Like they did in the time of Abraham.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms
The above verse, is pretty clear to understand. Isn’t satan the ruler of the dark world? Doesn’t satan reside int eh heavely realms? I see no other conclusion than to believe that the above verse means our struggle against the evil forces, and the verses in chapter 6 refers to us putting on the whole armor of God.
on this issue concerning the phrase “as it was in the days of Noah” of Matthew 24:37 NIV and the Nephilims. it would be more schocking if nephilims are connected on this phrase! why?? because of the context of the passage if you try to read and understand what the passage is trying to say on the phrase about the days of Noah from Matthew 24:36-51. it simply means that the coming of the Lord is sudden and unexpected as the flood during the days of Noah!
if we are going to consider the days of Noah literally, then you should not isolate the nephilims only. you should include the coming of the flood again, the ark, and the animals too!
i agree on ivar position. Godbless you both my brothers!
Dear Ruis.
Shalom.
You wrote:
i agree on ivar position. Godbless you both my brothers!
My comment:
I want all Christians to reflect over the present time we live in. People who are waiting for the rapture or count the days to the final judgment, do have wrong focus.
If I write something that is not written in the Bible, please do not believe me. Please also correct me where I have gone wrong, and correct me in a caring and loving way.
Brother. Thanks for blessing my.
I want to say sorry to all faithful readers of News That Matters. I know my English is horrible, and full of grammatical mistakes. I am out of station traveling, and have less time to read properly through my written thoughts and feelings around important events.
Richard agree with all you say on Nephilim Brother. It is also important to remember that out there are certain websites who specialise(Christian websites) in explaining the alien abduction concept. How it can be stopped by calling apon the name of Jesus!
There is power in being saved amen!
Mel
Dear Melanie.
Shalom.
You wrote:
the alien abduction concept. How it can be stopped by calling upon the name of Jesus!
My reply:
I am very skeptical to such sites. “The alien abduction concept”. What is that? A way to explain that the Christians have been abducted by aliens, the day they are raptured?
If so, this in another teaching by followers of an anti-Messiah. The left behinds, will explain that the rapture was an event, where false Christians was taken away by aliens.
Please explain Melanie.
I do not understand how people can believe in UFO’s. The bible does not say anything like this ever existed. God only created man and woman.
If satan can make believe he’s an angel of light, what’s hard to understand that demons can make themselves into something they are not?
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I have no objection to you either, who do not believe in UFO’s.
Be careful about judging people who believe in UFO’s.
There are no words in the Bible about submarines either. And a lot of other strange stuff.
My great Grand mother refused to believe that man would be able to land on the moon. She said: You can not land on a light….
If you quote Genesis only….
Ivar,
I don’t think I said any judgment words. It’s just hard for me to understand how oen can claim to believe in Christ, and then believe that they’ve seen an alien.
It’s hard concept for me to grab. But I by no means am judging no one. Only God can do that.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
A demon will surely be an “alien” among us. But where does He come from?
I do not believe that the spiritual realm of darkness, is the outer space. But can you give me any written proof of that?
I will use the scripture, and claim that a demon operate out of the abyss. But where exactly is the abyss?
There is a spiritual reality that we can not see. But quite often, the forces from this realm manifest it self in a human being, and take human form. Like Jesus the Son of Man.
Just something to reflect on.
I agree with what you said Ivar: There is a spiritual reality that we can not see. But quite often, the forces from this realm manifest it self in a human being, and take human form.
Let me just clarify Ivar, I do not believe in aliens at all, neither on earth, or outerspace. I never have or ever will.
To me if it’s not in the bible, it isn’t true.
I truly believe in Christ only. He is the only one that can save, and I believe he is coming again.
I am off too cook an early dinner. God Bless you Ivar.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Let me just clarify Ivar, I do not believe in aliens at all, neither on earth, or outerspace. I never have or ever will.
My reply:
Before I was saved, I was a hobby astronomer. Than I believed in life in other solar systems. Today, I do not believe there is life beyond Earth. I can not prove it, neither can it be verified that I am wrong.
I believe the spiritual realm is another dimension, that is beyond the law of physics, and the visual world.
Ivar it is true said: “I believe the spiritual realm is another dimension, that is beyond the law of physics, and the visual world.”
And the bible supports your statement.
God Bless.
The “nephilim” are giants from what I understand like in Numbers 13:33 as well as Genesis 6:4. I don’t understand how giants became aliens.
Dear Dave.
Shalom.
You wrote:
The “nephilim” are giants from what I understand like in Numbers 13:33 as well as Genesis 6:4. I don’t understand how giants became aliens.
My reply:
I agree with you.
Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
Goliat who was facing David, was such a giant. There is no reason to believe that this Philistine soldier had arrived from outer space.
As far as something strange going on in Genesis 6, it looks like the sons of God that took wives were men like Solomon, they just fell for unsaved women.
Adam was a son of God and I think there were others also.
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
Dave, ever since even during the early church age no doubt there are already believers marrying unbelievers until now.. then nephilims should be roaming this planet.. besides Solomon himself has lots of unsaved wives how come there are no more nephilims then..
Dear Ruis.
Shalom.
The Nephilims were there before Noah. They all died in the flood.
ivar, i know that nephilims were there before noah and how is that connected to me..?
Dear Ruis.
I guess we agree on the topic of Nephilims?
Ivar said: The Nephilims were there before Noah. They all died in the flood.
From my understanding, Nephilim are the children from human women and angels who took the form of humans.
However, as you said the Nephilim all died during the flood, there is the strong possibility that angels made more Nephilim children after the flood. Please consider these scriptures.
Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days–and also afterward–when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Numbers 13:33 We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”
Satan and his fallen angles were pushed out of heaven into the 2nd heaven “thats the stars”. We can all agree Satan’s goal is deception. 2nd Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Satan and his fallen angels can take any form they want. Why not take the form of deception that scares and intimidates such as UFO’s aliens? I have studied the subject intensively. Mr Ivarfield I value your opinion and I was just wondering what your thoughts were on the subject.
I have read many authors accounts particularly LA Marzulli’s books on abductions and Yes “all alien abductions can be stopped” by rebucking them with the blood of jesus”. I have read the same accounts from many christian ufologist. Hal Lindsey also just openly claimed that aliens and ufo’s are nothing more than fallen angles and he too expects them to return prior to the second coming. The fallen angles and their offspring were on the earth “in the days of noah” in many many forms; half animal half man. The angels breed with everything! The question is why wouldnt fallen angels be on earth prior to the second coming? The holy spirit will be removed. I would think both the second heaven and the demonions of hell will be opened to our world. I would also think we would see manifestations on earth everywhere.
I truly feel that this is the coming great deception the bible speaks of “that even the elect will be deceived.” How would christians repsond to “aliens” who claim that they made christ as well as all other religions? This could bring all the faiths together. Many christians would be overwhelmed with the thought seeing a ufo or even just seeing a fallen angel.
Mr Ivarfield I encourage you to research and study the subject further.
Has anybody here read the book of Enoch?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Satan and his fallen angles were pushed out of heaven into the 2nd heaven “thats the stars”.
My reply:
I have been told to ask for scripture evidence, when people have got special revelations.
Where in the Bible is this written?
There is a lot of deception going on, many demonic books published by claimed to be Christians. Please be careful.
Which book are you quoting from?
sorry no rapture in my bible http://www.ucg.org/search/?q=rapture&sa=Submit&cx=016889497640205832510%3Awdwph-r0a3u&cof=FORID%3A11#998 doctrine of man
I disagree
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree. I feel this debate is about issues, not at all central to Christianity. I hope we can agree on that.
The bible does say there will be a rapture.
Ivar has wrote some articles on it, and if you search his site, he has quoted bible verses to support that there will be a rapture.
I have read what’s called the book of Enoch. Since Enoch was around before the flood I don’t know if it was really the book of Enoch or not. It has some things that I think aren’t right, such as angels taking wives and having giant children who grew to about 450 feet high.
According to Jesus it looks like angels don’t marry but people in this world do.
Luk 20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
Mar 12:25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
I do think devils can masquerade as aliens from outer space and fool people into believing that aliens do exist. The book of Jasher also talks about strange creatures but it has some other questionable things that cast doubt on its authenticity. While these books may have existed at one time, the books now available may be someones effort to recreate them.
yes Richard ,I have read some of the book of Enoch .they are fallenangel/deomon aliens through genetic manipulation. google ashter command, Dulce book or Sherry Shriner.I was haunted and abducted by these things from 1966-1971.I was 3 when it started.the nephilim will be the ones who destroy for 5 months.
I’m sorry to hear about your abductions I can only imagine.
Dear Put YAWH 1st.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I was haunted and abducted by these things from 1966-1971.I was 3 when it started.
My reply:
I do not think this is a valid statement, or have anything to do with the truth. If you ask a 3 year old where He is, you can get any answer. Being abducted or kidnapped from 1966 to 1971:
Why did they release you?
How do we know that you are not a demon?
Mr Ivarfield I have read your blogs you are clearly a brilliant man but really what is your experience with reading abductee stories? There are christians who have claimed to be abducted are they demons?
Immediately you jump to “I do not think this is a valid statement or have anything to do with the truth?
How can you so bodly state that this man is a liar?
So are we to assume that no one should have memories at the age of three? Are we also to assume that all three year old stories unvalid? Thats rather judgemental dont you think?
Are all abductees in your opinion possible demons?
My feelings would be rather hurt if I were YHWH1? Abductees are humans with real stories. I applaud YHWH1 for coming forward with your story.
I guess Im rather shocked at your response Mr Ivarfield. Were’s the love of christ in calling some one a liar?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Let us wait for Put YAWH 1st reply.
I did not call him a liar. I said I do not believe him.
When you dont believe someones story that they claim is truth is that not the definition of calling them a liar? What else would you call them a creative story teller?
Dear Richard.
That I do not believe people, does not make them liars. I have made mistakes before, and will surely make a few more.
Richard and PutYHWH1st
I was 8 when I first saw a demon. Even at 8 years old, I called out to Jesus Christ who was there for me. Never did I think, oh these are aliens coming to get me.
Read the Word of God. It’s the complete truth.
I have read the word of God what does that have do with your Demon story or the alien abduction story above?
Your story Gloria is a story about Demon not an alien abduction. The mothman was demon in my opinion and very different from alien abduction stories. Your comparing apples to oranges.
Read Whitley Streibers Communion whether you believe his story or not his abduction accounts are very similar to all abductee accounts.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
2. Corinthians 12: 2-4
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— .
(end of scripture)
As Paul, I have to leave these matters as open issues. But it is not important for me, neither for Paul, if this man is telling the truth or not. Because it is not possible to cross check such stories. They are very subjective, and can not be supported by scriptures.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
Let me add verse 4, of 2 Corinthians 12:
was caught up to paradise and heard inexpressible things, things that no one is permitted to tell.
(end of scripture)
Just a suggestion: If no one is permitted to tell, lets keep such stories for private parties….
Still I do not understand why Paul wants to tell this story to the Church in Corinth….I guess to explain to them, that they should not pay to much attention to this kind of strange issues.
What I’m trying to day Richard if the devil can appear as an angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14, who’s to say a demon can’t act like it’s an alien?
Aliens are not real. It’s not in the bible.
and Richard, I do not read any false books. The only book I need is the Word of God.
Gloria I am saying fallen angels can take any form they want? We are in agreement. However just because you expeienced a Demon in one form does mean they act the same way all of the time. Do you see the simplicity in what you are saying? That’s just rediculous.
So you are judging a book by its cover? Its a false book? Thats acutally funny amd thats very noble of you.
Your statement brings new meaning to “Never Judge a Book by its Cover”
Wow has the christian faith
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I feel this topic is well debated. As I said when we started, there is no reason to get hot tempered. We must be able to agree that we disagree. Lets learn from the verses of Paul in 2. Corinthians, and keep on loving and respecting each other.
Im not hot tempered. Just disappointed in the judgement of Glorias statements. Its just wrong to call a book false without knowing anything about it. Its also wrong to say aliens are not real. Who knows if they are real are not? There is supporting evidence to the claim that they are real. The UN now has UFO committee to investigate UFO’s and aliens. Is the UN wrong?
Ivar where’s the respect in her statements? Were is the love in what she said?
It so interesting to debate on christian blogs because when some does get worked up they tend to become judgemental with no validity. Is that christ like? Would Jesus or Paul agree with that kind of approach? We tend mock what we dont understand.
Love, Respect and Agree to Disagree
I agree
Ivar didnt come to bring divide to your blog but seek your opinion on a topic I feel could be the coming great deception because of your knowledge. I came for your discernment.
Richard,
Your comment: Who knows if they are real are not? There is supporting evidence to the claim that they are real. The UN now has UFO committee to investigate UFO’s and aliens. Is the UN wrong?
My Comment: I apologize if you feel I disrespected you in anyway. Jesus has never failed me, in any way. And because of this I trust him 100%. He is my Savior, and without him I’m nothing. So this is why I say if it isn’t in the bible it is not true. Like I said before, God made man and woman in likeness to him. Nowhere in the Word of God does it say he made aliens.
I trust in God’s Word 100%. Again I apologize if you feel that I’ve disrespected you in any way.
God Bless.
Gloria no one questions your faith and no you didnt hurt my feelings but thank you for asking. I hope I have not affened you. I just thought your comment about judging a book your never read to be naive.
“so this is why I say if its not in the bible it isnt true” Sadly that is one of the most naive ignorant statements I think have ever read.
There are many many things our minds can not comprehend that are in the bible. That does not mean they are not true because we can not comprehend them. I would point you to one of my favorite scriptures Proverbs 3.5-6 “Lean not on your own understanding?”
We have already proved with scripture that fallen angels can take any form they want. Forms not familiar to humans. We have also established the fact that satan is a messenger of “deception” meaning he could take any form needed to get his deception across; demons, dragon, serpent, human possessions, aliens you name it. I think your getting stuck on semantics.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such men are false apostles, fraudulent workers, masquerading……
Just look at the terms false, fraudulent, masquerading……
The webster definition of “alien” is belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. That alone describes a fallen angel.
Lastly according to my perspective yes the bible does say God created what I call aliens. He created fallen angels that can take the form of what ever they want.
Richard,
Your Comment: “so this is why I say if its not in the bible it isnt true” Sadly that is one of the most naive ignorant statements I think have ever read.
My Comment: That is fine. You can think what you want of me. What matters to me is spreading the love Jesus Christ has for all of us, and emphasizing how he is the only one who can save us from our sins.
The things that we do not understand in the bible, I believe prayer and study can help us in finding understanding. There are many ways Jesus Christ can answer us and give us understanding, if we belive, and accept him.
Your comment: Lastly according to my perspective yes the bible does say God created what I call aliens. He created fallen angels that can take the form of what ever they want.
My comment: The bible has several verses of unclean spirits, demons, (example: Mark 5:1-16,) but I do not believe the bible says they are called aliens. Again, I may be wrong, so if you’d like to show me a bible verse that states “alien” in God’s Word.
God Bless.
If we look at the Genesis 6 chapter we are told that the sons of god saw the daughters of men and took wives from them. Their offspring were the Nephilim. The question is who were the sons of God? That’s the essence of the case. We know that the Bible is the best commentary on the Bible so with that in mind if we go to the Book of Job, which many scholars believe predates Genesis we see that the same wording is used. The sons of God are thus the angels of heaven. With that in mind we go to Jude and read – this comes from the Book of Enoch – that the angels left their first state and went after strange flesh. It seems very clear to me that Angels are not sexless, can procreate and this was the reason for the flood. L. A. Marzulli
Dear Lamarzulli.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Genesis 6:13
So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.
(end of scripture)
Why alienate the humans?
The reason for God’s wrath was violence and hate. You do not have to be an “alien” to indulge in such activities. Neither in Genesis chapter six, nor today.
My suggestion: Leave the “alien’s” alone. Do not blame them. Adam and Eve managed to sin, without the help from outer space. Neither is the solution to today’s hate and violence, found on Jupiter or beyond the solar system.
Let’s rather take a look into our own hearts.
Lamarzulli
Shalom.
You wrote:
Angels are not sexless, can procreate and this was the reason for the flood. L. A. Marzulli.
My comment:
You needed to go to three different books of the Bible, to construct such a conclusion. Such teaching can easily mount to manipulation of the Word of God. Why not take Genesis 6:13 at face value?
To claim that Angles have sex, is to say that eternity is a made up story. Because in the eternal Kingdom, there is no need for reproduction.
Why do we have to blame the Angles for what men have done?
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
Genesis 6:4.
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.
(end of scripture).
We have a strange ongoing debate about angels and creatures from outer space. But without twisting the Word of God, we can conclude that the Nephilim were “men”. Not only men, but hero’s of old.
This kind of language does not suit neither dark angels, nor “aliens”. The dark angels were all judged before they were kicked out of Heaven. These are evil and filthy creatures that operates out of the abyss, and rules in the principalities of darkness.
Mr Ivarfield I mean no disrespect but whats strange about it? UFO sightings are real. They are increasing and they have been apart of our history. How do you explain 15th, 16th and 17th century art with paintings of UFO’s in them? What about Fatima? The Mayans? Crop circles? Cattle Mutilations? Abductions? Foo Fighters during WWII? I mean the list goes on and on etc.. What about the recent UFOs over china? What would you tell your congregation if you were a pastor Mr Ivarfield if the majority of them saw a UFO?
You know whats interesting is that ufo abductees claim that these aliens fallen angels what ever you want to call them put down jesus or claim he’s not real. Why? They are satanic.
Take the nephilim out of the equation. Can we not conclude that “the watchers” judged or not judged can take any form they want. Who’s to say that the fallen angels are taking the form of UFO’s and or aliens?
Mr Ivarfield you are an excellent “Watchmen on the Wall” Why not address all areas of potential deception? Is Hal Lindsey wrong?
Would it beyond reason for the global elite to create a fake alien invasion to unite the faiths to bring about a one world government?
Mr Ivarfield what is your commentary on the book of Enoch?
Lastly I love the lord with all my heart and we all know there is coming great deception. One that will make Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. Luke 21:25
I feel UFOs could be a part of that potential coming great deception.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I have earlier stated that I have no objection to people who believe in UFO’s. I do not.
Do you go by Ivar or Mr IvarfJeld?
Do you have any commentary on the book of Enoch?
What do you think Ezekiels Chariot was? What would you call it. I would call it a flying apperatus never seen before. A UnIdentified Flying Object.
A UFO
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You can call me Ivar.
I have never read the book of Enoch. Since it is not in the Biblical cannon, it is a gnostic book. Since you have challenged me, I will read and let you know.
Ivar
Have you ever blogged as to what your opinions were of the Fatima apperitions or the letters? Do you believe they were from God? Or was it a false witness?
If Aliens even existed and got this far to earth then more than likely the bacteria would kill them. We have adapted over many generations and built immunity and a simple fact is any life form not immune to bacteria is doomed.
Forget ever getting visited by aliens and besides what race of Aliens would want to make friends with a race like the human race that cant even get along with each other.
The only people who see Aliens are usually rednecks in the desert. Nasa can make (flying saucers) there is plenty of videos on you tube of prototype planes even as far back as the 60’s that look like non conventional aircraft’s and yes people see them and think wow aliens when its only a test.
Besides im not sure how people got the 7 Bowl judgments mixed up with aliens.
The bible clearly states that the people who get the mark of the beast and worship the image of the beast are the ones who cop the 7 Bowl judgments in the great tribulation (Revelation 16). And looking at the current situation we are nearly up to the 4th seal possibly. The pale horse is on his way soon.
Reading Enoch does not make one occultic. Many of the extra biblical canons are gnostic this is true but Enoch is not. In fact the Bible refeences it.
Richard is a watchman Christian I can clearly see this.
We first learn of Enoch in Genesis 5 but it leaves us with questions. Hebrews 11 has the answers and Jude quotes Enoch! How did Jude come to know the words of Enoch? They are not in the Bible. The answer of course, is The Book of Enoch. A book which is actually quoted not only by Jude, but also James the natural brother of Jesus. The quote is in (Jude 14-15) & (1 Enoch 1:9)
It was considered scripture by many early Christians. The earliest literature of the so-called “Church Fathers” is filled with references to this mysterious book. The early second century “Epistle of Barnabus” makes much use of the Book of Enoch. Second and Third Century “Church Fathers” like Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origin and Clement of Alexandria all make use of the Book of Enoch. Tertullian (160-230 C.E) even called the Book of Enoch “Holy Scripture”. The Ethiopic Church even added the Book of Enoch to its official canon. It was widely known and read the first three centuries after Christ. This and many other books became discredited after the Council of Laodicea. And being under ban of the authorities, afterwards it gradually passed out of circulation.
Also Enoch is first mentioned in Genesis 5.
There is much more out there to back up support of Enoch- NOT all extra biblical canons though -I am referring only to this.
Richard Brother perhaps here was not the best place to ask your question…
And Ivar I fully respect this blog you have. And your intentions re the RCC exposure I agree too. But there is so much more out there to learn that the Bible mentions. Richard is NOT occultic- that was harsh. Im sorry to see this .
http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/enoch.htm
In the link Melanie posted about the book of Enoch the giants grew to a height of 3,000 ells,
And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells:
I looked up ell and found that it is a measurement,
An ell (from Proto-Indo-European *el- “elbow, forearm”), is a unit of measurement, approximating the length of a man’s arm.
Something like a cubit or about 18 inches. So, if you do the math these guys were supposed to be about 4.500 feet tall.
In another version of Enoch it says they grew to 300 cubits or about 450 feet tall. So, how big were they 450 ft. or 4,500 ft. tall?
10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
11And the women conceiving brought forth giants,
12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them;
Let’s think about this. 450 feet is pretty high. There are cities that don’t have buildings that come close to that.
4,500 feet is almost a mile. So, do you think giants were walking around almost a mile tall?
Or could it be that the book is not what it claims to be?
Dear Dave 1543.
Shalom.
You are doing a good job.
I wounder how a giant 4500 feet tall was able to make love with the daughters of men?
That must have been an incredible show, made by and for the demons among us. A pretty ugly form of rape, I presume?
Genesis 6:4 the nephilim were on the earth in those days and also afterward “when sons of god” went to the daughters of men and had children by them.
Sons of God are the fallen angles normal size not 9 to 30 feet tall nephilim. Where does it say nephilim were having sex with the daughters of men?
Richard.
Shalom.
Good point. But this is what the book of Enoch claim. That the fallen Angles had sex with humans, and that is how the Nephilim (giants) came into existence.
Now, after the flood these strange creatures are suppose to be gone. Only Noah and his family survived. How did they come back?
The most logical response is that after the flood the fallen angels “sons of god” returned to earth and bred again to recreate nephilim.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
The most logical response is that after the flood the fallen angels “sons of god” returned to earth and bred again to recreate nephilim.
My reply:
If so, God of the Bible is the biggest fool that ever existed. There was no need for the flood, that did not change the realities on the ground. And by God promising to never flood the Earth again, Satan gained the final victory.
This kind of teaching is surely inspired by demons. This “alien from space gospel” and the Nephilim that came back, is inspired from non canonized books, like the book of Enoch. There is a reason why the Holy Spirit protect people who obey, while others who reject Him, will be lead astray.
There are many translations of Enoch. It is important to go to the right one.Even then reading it will still leave you with many questions. The main thing is to remember that the Bible is truthfulness and I would only use Enoch to supplement understanding of the fallen ones. The Bible mentions giants too in many places including the bed of a certain giant – not sure where this one is. Also when the Israelites ev]ntered Caanan they came back with giant fruit! David slew a giant. I have no doubts as to the reality of giants at this time.
But i have no wish to derail this thread anymore than it already has been. My main aim for posting now is to back up Richard.The rest of you can go debate it elsewhere and search out info- theres plenty out there and as Ivar says- It is not a salvation issue. The important thing here is that we treat eachother as Christ would.
Giants are also in the Soloman Islands- the locals speak of them all the time -that they live in caves.
Are you doubting Enoch or the existance of giants?
Dear Melanie
Shalom.
You wrote:
Giants are also in the Soloman Islands- the locals speak of them all the time -that they live in caves.
Are you doubting Enoch or the existence of giants.
My reply:
Do they “live there”, or did they “live there”. Now, I have really started to get worried about your spiritual health. Goliat was a giant. I do not dispute that.
They have found evidence of Giant Humans that grew to about between 8-12 feet tall. You only need to Google it to see pics of bones and weapons/tools found. From Africa to Megalong Valley in Australia they have found giant bones.
The bones predate the Flood but they cant exactly find work out when. Good thing is it disproves evolution because we have shrunk not grown.
Dear Melanie, Lafreak and Richard.
Shalom.
You are already taken for a ride by doctrines taught by demons. Have you been anointed by the fakes from Toronto?
Have you been involved in soaking?
Giants that are either 10-12 feel tall, 450 feet or even 4500 feet. Can you not just admit that the book of Enoch is not inspired by the Holy Spirit, and therefor was left out of the Cannon by the Spirit of God.
Dear Lafreak
Shalom.
You wrote:
Good thing is it disproves evolution because we have shrunk not grown.
My reply:
You must be careful with whom you like to “we”. I guess this was a spelling mistake.
I am surely not a shrunk form of a giant. And neither are you.
A few months ago, I brought up the Book of Enoch to my pastor, and asked if he ever read it.
and he stated: “all other books that appeared before and after the Bible are not inspire by the Holy Spirit.”
I think that states alot. The Word of God is from God, and we must learn from this only. To add or seek other guidance, from other than Christ is dangerous. In this day and age, with the coming of Christ so close, we must be very careful in what we read and in what we learn. As Ivar stated, their are alot of copy cat Jesus out there, and others who “claim” they come in his name. We must hold fast to the Word of God only.
God Bless.
I also wanted to add this from the Word of God:
2 Corinthians 11 says: For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
I think it’s very important to talk about this issue due to all the news coverage it is getting.
1. NASA just released in a conference that they have found Alien life forms on earth (specifically an unknown bacterium that thrives on arsenic. No life form has ever thrived on arsenic as it is poison.
2. There has been many governments opening up their x-files of ufo sitings all around the world.
3. Look and see the propaganda being pushed through TV shows like EVENT here in the USA as well as movies.
4. The Vatican announced last year that aliens exist and that they should be counted as our space “brothers”.
5. The chief the Observatory in the Vatican said that we should “baptize aliens” and that he thinks it’s possible that our Lord became an alien to save aliens on other planets…!!!
There is a reason all of this is happening. I believe that in the New Age there will be deception about the evolution of man and how man needs to evolve to have a perfect utopian new world order..this may include alien “biology” intermingling with human “biology” to help evolve the human race. This is only my opinion on where this may go. I think it is ok to read Enoch, but not take it as God’s word. There are contradictions as Ivar said, but it may have some things to think about concerning the Nephilim connections. According to the ancient Hebrew text, the Sons of God were always refering to Angels and not the Sons of Seth. Enoch is also quoted in the Bible a couple of times. So, even though it is not Scripture, I think it’s interesting to ponder some of the historical aspects of it and wonder why is is quoted in the Bible.
Of course all of this talk is nothing doctrinal, but still interesting to discuss and may have relevance in these dark days.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
There is no end of falsehood and wickedness from the Vatican.
“Alien brothers from space”. That is wired.
I will have to warn you also:
Do not be occupied with what Satan is trying to do. Stay focused on Jesus, and follow Him. Do the Fathers will.
What did you do to help the pore and needy? Do you give them water, do you feed them, to you visit them in prison?
I the answer is “no”, please read Matthew 25:31 onwards. Among all my encounter on this blog, I do work among 200 of the poorest and most persecuted people on the Earth. And I am not at all concerned about aliens and giant’s that is supposed to hide in caves on the Solomon Islands.
Jesus never told his student to be concerned about “aliens”, but be aware of two kinds of people in flesh, on the Earth. The righteous and the wicked. The unsaved, and brothers and sisters.
Thank you Ivar for the reminder to stay focused on all that He is instead of on the enemy. I do so need that reminder.
Ivar, I do not spend my days researching alien sightings. Just as you keep a watchful eye on Israel and False Ecumenism, I can help but wonder about the alien nonsense going on. Please take a look at these articles:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=64184
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/09/21/popes-astronomer-baptize-aliens/
http://holykaw.alltop.com/vatican-staff-gives-blessing-to-alien-baptism
I have many more sources. Please tell me what you think.
Again, thank you for reminding us that we need to focus more on Him and less on the devil.
Sue
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
I have no warn all people that I love and care for. You are surely one of them,
There will be a united false Church in the end, that Included the RCC and the Word of Faith Movement, or what some of us like to call “Charismatic Pentecostals”. They both have in common, that they add to scriptures, and get “super revelations” that can not be confirmed or cross checked by the Word of God.
And if you starts walking astray, you will be soaked up in this kind of wickedness.
Thanks for all these links. You have done the research, I do not find time to do. I will study, and I will give you feedback.
And again. As brothers and sisters, we need to correct each other in love. No truth, no love. Keep in mind that Jesus was tough on people who lead the people of Israel astray.
Hi Ivar,
I totally agree with your statement:
There will be a united false Church in the end, that Included the RCC and the Word of Faith Movement, or what some of us like to call “Charismatic Pentecostals”. They both have in common, that they add to scriptures, and get “super revelations” that can not be confirmed or cross checked by the Word of God.
I know it is your love of people that you want to keep them out of the snares of the devil.
As this fake church gets bigger under Rome and the false ecumenism, i think the secular world will embrace the alien agenda. It is so prevalent in the movie/TV industry..and now NASA comes out with this breaking news last week that alien life forms are on earth. This is only the beginning of what’s to come with this alien thing:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703989004575652641694036252.html
I know you will start to see the puzzle pieces fit as more and more articles come out in mainstream media..there is some sort of deception brewing with this. Some new agers say that Christians need to be “re-educated” so that humans can evolve and aliens will take them away for this education. That would satisfy the masses when people disappear. But who knows, I sure don’t. I just want want to keep my eyes open concerning this issue. We can count on His Word and stay on the straight and narrow. Awaiting your review on the info. Blessings to you in Jesus, Sue
Good Morning Everyone,
“Do not be occupied with what Satan is trying to do. Stay focused on Jesus, and follow Him. Do the Fathers will.”
The above statement from Ivar is true. There is so many ways satan will try and bring a believer of Christ down. We must stay strong in the Word of God, and continue to pray and seek Christ.
God Bless.
Ivar what are your thoughts on the following?
An alien gospel could be “THE LIE” described in 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12
The coming of the lawless one [antichrist] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth [gospel of Jesus Christ], that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion [alien gospel], that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 shall be read and understood as it is written. There is no need to add masala (spices) to it.
Let me again warn you, and all other readers.
False Christians from the Toronto Movement, that have touched people and “soaked” them into the occult realm, will end up believing in all kind of doctrines that add to the canonized scripture. There seems to be no end of this outpouring of deception, in the name of “Jesus”.
When the rapture finally take place, the left behind “believers” will claim that alien’s from space took the “not born again’s away”. They must have heard so from some wicked teacher that appeared on God.TV.
I am starting to get convinced that the number of faithful followers of Jesus that suddenly will be gone, will be quite few. All of them badly bruised and persecuted. Because the ongoing massive deception leads brother and sisters away from Jesus, in thousands every day. And we who warn you, will be thrown out of the Churches by false brethren, the most dangerous enemies of the true body of Jesus on Earth.
Like Sue just wrote: Jesus do ask: WILL I FIND FAITH when I return.
I am not so sure He will find many who have continued to do the Fathers will.
Heya Ivarfjeld,
The comments I made arent from the book of enoch or any scripture. Go and google Giant Human bones.
It is strange that all over the world they found bones, weapons that are massive. Considering people in Genesis lived to over 500 years old they might have needed to be bigger to live that long.
I’m not trying to get into a debate but when they have pictures and a heap of evidence to support giant humans in the past I cant ride that off.
I cant work out why people have a hard time trying to understand how we were so big but those same people will believe we evolved from bacteria.
Dear LaFreak.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Considering people in Genesis lived to over 500 years old they might have needed to be bigger to live that long.
My reply:
Again you add to the scripture. There is no difference between you and the Roman Catholic Church. You make up “different gospels”. God of the Bible did say, that there would be an end to people who lived 500+ years. He said man shall live no longer than 120 years. Today, non of us do that. And we are all about 5 to 7 feet tall.
lafreak,
I’ve seen a lot of those photos. Most of them are photoshoped so I wouldn’t take them that seriously..
Just out this morning..
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20024555-71.html
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
After studying your links, I will make a general comment, and try to give a pin-point explanation on the damage that can occur when Christians accept this kind of unbiblical explanation of the end game on Earth.
1. If there is aliens in other solar systems, than the book of Genesis is not correct.
2. God said He made the stars, stars in plural, but only one Earth. He created man to look after the Earth.
3. Since no man has been able to live on other planets, man has not been able to change the creation order. Man’s mission is to walk on Earth, and spend eternity in either Heaven or Hell.
4. There is no way possible for man to travel to met alien’s inside other solar systems. The distance is simply to long for our 120 years life span.
5. If an “alien” ever appear on Earth and claim to be from a different solar system, we will not be able to verify such claims. Since we have never been there, or seen this place.
6, The Vatican ever claiming an “alien” coming to greet the Pope,, will be a so-called “super revelation”. There will be no verses in the scripture to confirm such an audience. This kind of claimed encounter with aliens from outer space, will surely amount demonic activity.
This is my general view.
Now let me pin-point what Satan might try to copy with His preacher’s of “alienism”.
When the rapture take place, and there will be angles all over the Earth to collect His elect, this will surely be branded as the coming of the hostile “aliens” by the soakers in the Toronto and Word of Faith Movement. When they are not collected, but will be left behind, the “alien explanation” will be the only thing they can hold onto. They will continue to deceive them self, and all who listen to them, up to the day the Messiah will send the cursed people into the eternal flames of Hell.
If the demons, or “aliens” can copy the second coming of Jesus in the sky, than everything has been made permissible by God of the Bible. I am hundred percent sure that Satan will never get permission to do so. It is impossible for God to go beyond the scripture. He is the Word. Keep in mind , that Satan can only do what He gets permission to do.
I hope this was helpful.
Well said Ivar.
I have to agree with all your points.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Thanks for your support. I am sure Jesus is pleased with you ministering to the glory of His name, using this blog.
Dear Ivar,
Thank you for the good advice not to focus on evil, but rather on Him and His will. This is true and good for all of us.
For me, I do not focus day and night on alien sightings. I merely wonder about what is going on in the news and how it relates to end times. Just as you are constantly looking at Israel and False Ecumenism and how they relate to end times. I would not say you are focused on Satan and what he is doing but rather keeping a watchful eye on the signs of the times.
I would like you to check out some of these articles regarding this subject:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=64184
http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/popes-astronomer-would-baptize-et/19643155
As much as we keep a watchful eye on all of these things I thank you for the much needed reminder to stay focused on all that HE IS instead of what the enemy is doing. After being in deception for so long, I have my “anttenas” out as a radar against it and sometimes it is too much. Staying too focused on he enemy’s camp can take away peace and I have been convicted I need more time on His Word and less time in the enemy’s corner.
Bless you always.Sue
Yes Ivar..the “aliens” are demons. I am sure all those writing on this thread agree with that point..That is why the whole alien agenda is a lie and a falsehood. Many secular alien enthusiasts believe man was created from aliens and that eventually the govt. will disclose that to the public. Who knows if and when that could happen. The point is the Vatican does not make crazy alien statements for nothing…they are ahead of the curve on this one..if govts. around the world come out and say we can confirm alien life on other planets and on earth..the face of religion and “Christianity” will change for those who do not stick to the Word of God. I believe the Vatican will change to fit into this deception with the world misleading millions. Agreed Satan can only do what is permitted and in the end times the Lord sends a strong delusion to fool those who refuse to accept truth.
I don’t base anything biblical on these thoughts, I am merely watching what will happen while the web of lies gets bigger..believing the only thing we can believe IS HIS WORD. Hope I’m making sense.
Blessings to you brother, Sue
You are making sense Sue. And the web of lies and deception do grow bigger.
I hope that whoever reads this blog, can see that the only thing faithful and true is Jesus Christ.
God Bless.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
I totally agree with your last comment. Lets keep “aliens” alone, and keep our focus on men who walk on the Earth. There is enough work to be done, to please the Hearth of Our Father God in Heaven.
Ivar scripture says there is a coming Great Deception that even the elect will be deceived. You made the comment that you thinkg the Great Deception is already here. I 100% disagree. Is there a falling away yes. There is also an apostasy occuring right now within the body of christ the church. That does correlate to me to a “Great Deception” I feel it is coming.
However I 100% agree with you that no where in the bible does it say there are aliens. The only explanation for UFO’s, alien eye witness accounts, alien abductions, cattle mutilations, human mutilations, crop circles, abductee reports or demon sitings etc could be fallen angles masquerading in some odd form. That is the ONLY logical explanation if you believe the bible is 100% accurate as I do.
When the Vatican said it was ok to believe in UFOs and that they would be willing baptise aliens I said wait a minute. That makes no sense to me so I have been researching every possible angle in correlation to scripture. There is only one valid explanation.
Fallen Angels manifesting in a wierd unknown form a form that is “alien” to us.
I have also extensively studied UFO’s, eye witness accounts, abductee interviews etc…. There are millions of eye witness accounts. Just go to MUFON.com they post every day eye witness accounts from normal people.
Now were in the bible does it say that there are UFOS and that it would be ok to baptise them? No where.
NASA has over 20 astranaunts that claim they have seen UFO’s. On Sky-map.org go look at the UFO that NASA’s Casinni telescope found in 2009. This apperition has 90 degree angles on it and NASA says they think it is over 20 miles long. The coordinance are 19 25 12-89 46 03 check it out for youself. I didnt make it up.
I would also encourage a person to google 14th, 15th, 16th century paitings with UFO’s in them. How do you explain that? Why did the Fatima witnesses call the apperition in the sky inside the sun to be a silver disc? Why have numerous Presidents claimed to have seen UFOs such as Reagan and Carter? Why is there a UN council on UFO’s. Winston Churchill claimed so many pilots witnessed UFO’s during WWII that when he thought about releasing the sightings informations reports he was scared it would destroy the foundation of religion so he refused to release them.
Wikileaks also said over the weekend that they intend to release UFO cables that went between leaders of nations. Looking forward to that.
Why have pastors come forward such as Hal Lindsey, Terry James – co founder of rapture ready, Mark Hitchock, and Perry Stone, Chuck Missler just to name a few to say that they believe that there could be a return of the fallen angels that could masquerade as aliens?
Ivar even you said you did not think was wrong to believe in UFO’s. So what is guiding these crafts?
My whole point is that there is a coming great deception and the elect will be deceived. The church needs to wake up and start warning of this coming great deception because souls well be lost. Has your church warned you. Have you warned your friends and fmaily?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Ivar even you said you did not think was wrong to believe in UFO’s. So what is guiding these crafts?
My comment:
This debate of alien’s, giants and UFO’s have been useful. As I said at the start, I had not read the book of Enoch. Now I know more about these topics, than I did 2 days ago.
Not to be misunderstood:
First:
There is no life beyond Earth. Any creature who tries to convince us about the opposite, is a deceiver and are doing the devil’s work. He will be taken for a ride by demons.
Second:
Any person who have been deceived to believe in alien’s, giant’s and UFO’s will brand the Angles that are coming to gather the elect at the event of rapture, as “alien’s, giants or UFO’s.
Third:
As a child I told my mother, I wanted to be picked up by a UFO, and taken into space. Now I know, what this kiddish spirit within me was talking about. I was willing to be taken by the Angles that one day will come. No doubt. Jesus said, that whoever does not become like a child again, shall not be taken with Him into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matthew 18:3
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
A child believe what the Father is saying. Jesus is the truth. No questions, no objections.
After this interesting debate, I have landed at the same view as Gloria, my sister in Jesus. Stand on the Word of God, do not go beyond scriptures, and do the Fathers will. If not, you will be branded by Jesus as an evildoer.
If you keep on being faithful to the Word of God, than you are a Child of the Most High, and will be rescued from this corrupt and wicked generation.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
UFO’s are guided by demons. The New gospel of “alienism” in another false gospel. Stay put in the Bible, and you are safe. Do not be lead astray by doctrines taught by demons in the last days.
1 Timothy 4:1
The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
This is a warning. If you want to listen, that is your choice.
I meant to say that I think we are NOT in the middle of THE GREAT DECEPTION as you think. I think it is coming!
Gloria Sue and Ivar There is no doubt that there is a secular list of ufologists that believe aliens created humans. I do not represent any of those groups nor do any of the christian groups I read or follow. They simply preach of a coming great deception. We all love the lord.
Maranatha Father!
Sadly the whole point I was tryng to make from the begining has been disgarded. My point is the coming great deception of Matthew 24:24 false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect if that were possible. I believe these false prophets to be demons or fallen angels.
Satan knows he has limited time left. He is also the master of deception. I have no desire to study or follow ufology. I am a bible prophecy enthusiast who longs for the coming of the lord. I look forward to placing the crown of righteousness at the feet of Jesus for my yearing of the coming of the lord.
However I am worried about the coming great deception and as I watchmen on the wall I will try and sound the alarm as I have on this blog. Even in the face of persecution from individuals who label me something other than a christian as I have been labled on this site.
Most christians are rarely taught about bible prophecy in the church and even fewer study the word outside of the church. Churches in my opinion are asleep when if comes to preaching prophecy. Half of the church is so caught up in their own lives that they have no idea how close were are to war’s of Psalm 83 or Ezekiel 38.
Even the great Dr John Walvoord warned of the coming great deception.
Ivar what is your interpreation of Daniel 2:43?
Laslty outside of Proverbs 3.5-6 my favorite verse is John 14-6 I know Jesus is the only way.
Ivar can you give any scriptual truth to your theory that you think we are currently in the “Great Deception” Are there certain things in society that make you believe we are in the middle of Matt 24:24 because I dont see a mass deception of the elect maybe a falling away from the faith “apostasy” but not a great deception?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I have not labeled you an apostate Christian. But I have warned you, that you are in the danger zone of being deceived, searching for truth in the occult realm.
Your statement that the Church father’s did not have the guts to take the book of Enoch into the cannon, because they could not phantom the content, did make me more than worried. I have not seen any repentance, in regards to this remark of yours.
Dear David.
Shalom.
Daniel 2:40-43
Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
My take:
A Kingdom, strong as Iron. Not a Kingdom of Iron. What iron mixed with clay is all about, I have no idea. But It will be broken by iron. Daniel explains about a physical item that existed 2.500 years ago, a primitive tool I presume. Not as strong as iron.
Revelation 19:15
Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty.
When Jesus return’s He will rule with an Iron scepter. This does not mean that Jesus will come an hold an physical Iron bolt in his hand. He can if He wants to. But what John is explaining to us, is that the Messiah will be strong as Iron, and His rule will not spare the wicked.
Dear Richard.
Ivar can you give any scriptual truth to your theory that you think we are currently in the “Great Deception”
Matthew 24:5
For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
This is were we are today. We have the “Jesus of Rome”. We have the “Jesus of material prosperity”. We have the “Jesus of super revelations”, and I could ad multiple examples.
Luke 21:7-9
“Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?”
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. When you hear of wars and uprisings, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away.”
Lets learn:
Do NOT follow them. Stay put in the Word of God.
Richard.
I will also answer your other questions about Biblical prophecy.
Ivar you did question whether I was christian by stating “Not all claim to be christian are followers of Jesus” Implicating that I am not a christian becuase you felt I may have been deceived. That a pretty clear point.
Ivar again your putting words into my mouth. I said “I personally believe the early church leaders purposely left the book of Enoch out of the bible because they couldnt comprehend it” I DID NOT say “they didnt have the guts to put it in”
This debate has clearly shaken your sense of correctness. I also did not endorse it the book of Enoch.
In regards to your comments regarding what you believe to be the great deception: All of your suggestions are deceptions but are they “False prophets performing great signs and wonders? I just dont see it which I know you will debate. I guess we will agree to disagree.
Lastly you mentioned I am going beyond the scriptures. How I am going beyond the scriptures. The foundations of my points are based around Matt 24:24, Luke 11:15, Genesis 6, Eph 2:2, 2nd Corinthians 11:14?
Lastly I appreciate your responses and your attention to my questions. I know your intentions and there is no doubt that the Lord values and appreciates your work as watchman on the wall. I will be in prayer for ministry and your blog. Best Wishes Your Brother in Christ Richard
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
All of your suggestions are deceptions but are they “False prophets performing great signs and wonders?
My reply:
A Marian appearance is surely a “false miracle”. A result of demonic activity. This kind of activity is branded by the Roman Catholic Church as a “great sign and wonder”. In the Charismatic Pentecostal camp, there is similar deceptions. Like “gold dust and feathers of claim to be angles”, that are manifesting in such House of Demons. They will all unite. They all accept that you can add to scripture, and confirm that their “god” is a man of lawlessness.
A false prophet will go beyond, or will ad to scripture. He will also be giving “prophecy” from his own imagination, Words God has never spoken.
Ezekiel 13:17-18.
“Now, son of man, set your face against the daughters of your people who prophesy out of their own imagination. Prophesy against them and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own?
Ivar I’m afraid I think your response to Matthew 24 falls way short of expectations of the definition of GREAT!
“False Christs and False Prophets will appear and perform GREAT Signs and Miracles to deceive event the elect”
First where are these False Christs and False prophets that perfrom GREAT Signs and Miracles. Sure there are many false christs and false prophets but none I would label performing GREAT Signs! Maybe the occassional supposed miracle healing at an event such as Benny Hinn but GREAT! I dont see it.
Gold Dust? Really thats it. Gold Dust is possibly deceiving portions of the worlds estimated 1.5 to 2 billion christians?
Marian appearances. Images of Mary or Jesus on Toast or food snacks are deceiving the elect. When was the last great Marian appearance besides FATIMA That was considered a GREAT sign? I will give you the occassional weaping Mary statue but again is that GREAT!
Why dont you go ahead and tell us about the other GREAT signs you have to persuade your point.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Why dont you go ahead and tell us about the other GREAT signs you have to persuade your point.
My reply:
There is around one billion Roman Catholics in the World, that are told by their priests that they are the elect. They just have to stay put, and believe that Mary on toasts and so one, are true miracles, sign and wonders from God of the Bible.
I do not know if this number can fall into your category of “great”. But it is the biggest spiritual tragedy that ever will take place within claimed to be Christianity.
I can go on….But I do not know if I ever will be able to convince you.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
What is a GREAT miracle, and what is a SMALL. What about a MEDIUM SIZE miracle…..I guess these kind of words are subjective. 100.000 people flocking to a statue of Maria that is crying blood. In which of these categories would you place such a “miracle”?
Here is another link.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/%C2%ABcatholics-looking-for-mary-damaged-their-eyesight%C2%BB/
I am not sure how we shall categorize such a “miracle”.
Richard,
Your Comment: Why dont you go ahead and tell us about the other GREAT signs you have to persuade your point.
My Comment: After all the questions you have asked Ivar in the past few days, with all due respect I think your sarcasm is uncalled for, especially when Ivar has made the time answer all of your questions.
The bible clearly states:
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. (Mat 24:24)
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect—if that were possible. (Mark 13:22)
Do you not think that these false christs are not around now deceiving millions? Take Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda who has a tattoo of 666 on him, and he claims to be Christ. He deceives people out of all their money, and claims to have healed them. And unless people see this man for what he is; a liar; they are being led straight to hell.
Do you not see that this is what Christ spoke of? Do you not see that we are in teh end days, that the coming of Christ is near and that people like this are out there deceiving, lying, and claim to perform miracles? This man claims that Peter, John, and James conspired to kill the apostle Paul. Do you not see the danger in having people believe in this man?
I had a man come up to me at work and claimed to be a psychic. He grabbed my hand uninvited, and proceeded to tell me what happened in my past. You know what Richard? This “psychic” got my past correct, but I rebuked him. Because he claimed to be in witch craft, and at the same time said he believed in Jesus. He wanted me to fall for his deception, and had I fell for it, I probably wouldn’t be here typing today.
My point is the devil is hard at work, but we as believers in Christ have the power to rebuke, and teach his word. We must read the Word of God, and never all for such things.
This is what Christ meant when he said: For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. (Mat 24:24)
and if you notice false prophets in plural; which means more than one.
God Bless.
Gloria with all due respect I am not attacking Ivar and I am not trying to be sarcastic. We have certain disagreements regarding the interpretation of scripture. In addition Ivar has made some comments uncharacterist of a church leader. I dont recall Jesus Paul Timothy or the disciples ever judging or labeling christians “Non-Christian or Occultist” or demanding apologies over something they didnt say.
Gloria I would remind you of 1st Timothy 3 1-2 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer he desires a notable task. Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, TEMPERATE , SELF CONTROLLED, RESPECTABLE, HOSPITABLE, able to teach, not given to drunkness, not violent but gentle, NOT QUARRELSOME.
Has Ivar been those things during this debate? I would say no. In addition Ivar is very adament about his positions as I am, therefore I would like for him to elaborate.
And yes I know Ivar is fallen as we all are but leaders of the body of christ need to be held to a higher level of accountability. I think we have both gained much during this debate but judging or labeling is NEVER ok. Prayer is needed. I cant imagine in my wildest dreams my pastors ever saying the things Ivar has said to me.
I would also refer you In 1 Timothy 2:2, when Paul told Timothy to entrust what he had learned to what kind of men? To faithful men. The fact he was to selectively train only faithful men suggests ACCOUNTABILITY. Is it not a strange paradox that we generally accept accountability in most aspects of life as something which is necessary, but when it comes to the body of Christ, many fight accountability, especially, if it begins to affect their comfort zones or their self-willed agenda.
Just as Ivar has put me to the test I in turn will put him to the test. Yes he has answered a lot of questions and I appreciate it. However he only answers select questions I feel by design.
Again I mean no disrspect to Ivar
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Your word:
NOT QUARRELSOME.
My reply:
It took you a dozen comments before your were able to apologize for an anti-Bible comment. I think you should take a look in the mirror.
Your right Ivar we are talking semantics. We can agree to disagree on Matt 24 and the interpretation of “Great” I just disagree
So are you saying “1 billion Catholics” are not written in the lambs books of life? Are you also saying they will not go to heaven and are not to be considered the elect even though they may have said the Lords prayer over what their church leaders are telling them about Mary? Can they not discern for themselves.
Thats a rather bold statement. Are you sure you have prayed for discernment over that statement that 1 billion Catholics will not enter the kingdom of heaven? Although I am not Catholic and although I disagree with certain aspects of the Catholic faith I have Catholic friends who love the Lord who I consider to be the elect.
That comment really scares me Ivar
Please go on
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I have Catholic friends who love the Lord who I consider to be the elect. That comment really scares me Ivar
My reply:
It is not what you or I think will happen to the Roman Catholic, that matters. It is what Jesus of the Bible will do with them, according to the Word of God.
“Jesus of Rome” is a copy-cat Messiah, an invention from the bottomless pit. The Roman Catholics are idol worshipers. The Pope is a False prophet, filled with the spirit of antichrist.
Can people who stay put in the Vatican, corrupt and religious be saved?
Where is the faith of “saved” Roman Catholic? What do they have faith in? The Vatican Church? The Pope? Their priests? Their Saints? Mother Mary? “Jesus of Rome”?. All of these deceptions, or only a selective selection of them?
I they do not have faith in the Word of God, it must be fear of man that keeps them put in the Roman Catholic Church. To serve the children of the devil, is not going to save anyone.
Please start reading the truth about the Vatican on this blog, just do not voice your own private opinions.
Here is something I want your take on:
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2009/11/01/why-jesus-of-rome-is-not-jesus-of-nazareth/
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Your right Ivar we are talking semantics. We can agree to disagree on Matt 24 and the interpretation of “Great” I just disagree.
My reply:
Yes, my Christian brother. Sometimes we do disagree. And still we have to love each other, and tell each other the truth.
What is the meaning of a FALSE Miracle? I guess it did take place? But it is still FALSE.
You were mentioning Benny Hinn. A lot of the healing He claim take place on his stage, do they last? A man can be cured for cancer one day, and die of a heart attack the very next week. The “healing and miracle gospel” can easily turn people into an “adulterous and wicked generation”.
TRUE miracles last for eternity. Every saved soul is a TRUE Miracle. Any person who is able to NOT become a friend of the WORLD, but follows and obey Jesus is a TRUE Miracle.
There seems to be less such TRUE miracles on Earth now a days. Jesus talks about the great apostasy, and do question if He will find faith when He returns.
Richard,
And I would quote to you:
2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.
I believe Ivar has answered your questions according to the scriptures. And in reading his responses, I have to agree with him, because it’s there in the Word of God.
We all make mistakes, each and every one of us.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
The Bible says: In your anger do not sin. I am always sorry, for any harsh words I might use. God is slow to anger. So should we.
Paul called Peter a hypocrite. A Peter that surely believed in Jesus. That must have been harsh language for Peter to take. But after some reflections, even Peter understood that this was words Paul used to call Peter to repent. If Paul had not been stern with a sinning Peter, He would not have loved him.
Paul even handed a man in Corinth over to Satan. Not to harm him, but to see that his soul should not get lost. A though messages of love. Sometimes we all need to be rebuked and disciplined.
We all make mistakes Ivar. I know I do and often. But I think Jesus Christ everyday for his sacrifice, and forgiveness. Because without him, I am nothing.
May God continue to bless you Ivar, for your continued ministry in his name.
Ivar, you said:
When the rapture take place, and there will be angles all over the Earth to collect His elect, this will surely be branded as the coming of the hostile “aliens” by the soakers in the Toronto and Word of Faith Movement. When they are not collected, but will be left behind, the “alien explanation” will be the only thing they can hold onto. They will continue to deceive them self, and all who listen to them, up to the day the Messiah will send the cursed people into the eternal flames of Hell.
Unfortunately this will be true for unbelievers as well as deceived ‘Christians’ that follow another gospel and another Jesus.
Former Defense Minister of Canada on UFO disclosure
Richard,
I just watched that clip a few days ago..interesting indeed.
Hi there Ivar,
Ivar, I think there is a misunderstanding. I think everyone who has commented on this thread believes aliens are demons and are not “outer space brothers”..It is my understanding that no one thinks that they are good or a new discovery or something added to scripture. We know what the Lord has revealed in scripture..that is why the alien nonsense is an obvious deception of the enemy. I think everyone who wrote on this thread had that understanding. On that note..check this out..
http://sueliz1.wordpress.com/
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
You wrote;
that is why the alien nonsense is an obvious deception of the enemy.
My reply:
I hope all readers agree with you. I have made my points very clear.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
Your blog:
The recent discovery of a life form based on a completely different chemistry….
My reply:
The Jesuits are fools. Up to this day, man has “discovered” new creatures on Earth. God of the Bible is laughing of the wisdom of man….
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
Science is the ultimate foolishness of man. In particular the hunt for the origin of life. What scientists told us to believe in 50 years ago, we are told not to believe in anymore. And what the scientists wants us to believe is the truth today, will surely be “proven wrong” by them, 20 years from now. A endless circle of foolishness: God is laughing.
The truth about creation is found in the book of Genesis, rejected as “mythology” by our “wise men”.
Well thank you for reading it and considering it. Please respond to my personal email I would love to hear your response.
I personally believe the early church leaders purposely left the book of Enoch out of the bible because they couldnt comprehend or fathom it. They couldnt explain reasonably to their congregations.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I personally believe the early church leaders purposely left the book of Enoch out of the bible because they couldnt comprehend or fathom it. They couldnt explain reasonably to their congregations.
My reply:
Your statement, is a rejection of the Holy Spirit. That the Biblical cannon is not a fruit of divine control, but an act of men. Now I will no longer accept you as a Christian, but as a manipulative commenter on this website. Please repent, or I will spam you.
Dear all readers.
The book of Enoch is a demonic book, and people who believe in this message, can easily be taken for a ride by demons.
The book of Enoch is not in the Biblical cannon, but was rejected both by the Church fathers and the Jewish rabbis who canonized the Tannakh (Old testament).
The book of Enoch contradict the book of Genesis, and the rapture of this man. In chapter 17 and 36 of the book of Watchers, the first part of the book of Enoch, is explaining Enoch’s journey through the Earth and Sheol (grave). The book of Genesis explains that Enoch did not die, and did not enter Sheol.
The Astronomical book inside the book of Enoch also contradict the book of Exodus, and the law.
In the Book of Enoch, Each year and each season started always on Wednesday, which was the fourth day of the creation narrated in Genesis, the day when the lights in the sky, the seasons, the days and the years were created.
The sect that made this book, is a kind of 4th day Adventists, and worshipers of kabalism (mysticism). Totally unknown to both Judaism and Christianity. This book reminds me about the desert demon that gave inspiration to an Arab named Muhammad, that also had encounters with Jins, or unclean spirits, presented as Holy.
No need to spam me, I am a christian. I have only God to repent to and I am not manipulative commentator. Best Wishes with your blog Ivar
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Not all claimed to be Christians are followers of Jesus the Messiah. Because I love you, I have warned you.
What a privilige to be judged by you today. Just as I am sure the other blogger was when cast judgement on him by calling him a liar. I know my name is written in the lambs book of life. Who’s the bully on this site again? Your blog just exemplifies the LOVE of Christ. You must be so proud.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
We will all battle pried, a dangerous enemy. But I do love you, and have not spam you. Jesus the Messiah warned us of massive deception in the last days. We need to be careful. You are deeply into the occult, when you promote the book of Enoch, and doubt the Holy Spirit being in control of the Biblical Cannon.
I love you because I do tell you the truth, even when you seems not being willing to listen. That is your choice.
I at no time promoted the book of Enoch. I asked for your commentary on it. That does not make me heavy into the occult. Another judgement. I also mentioned above that it may have been left out due to subject matter. That was just an opinion not an endorsement. See I think whats happening is that you’re frustrated by the subject matter and instead of considering it you immediately cast judgment on it which you do regulary on the blog. Every one of your pieces is an opinion piece. Which can always be debated. Theres no vetting of the topics truth to 100%.
You speak of love but are labels and cast judgement love? “What else did you label me” Hot Tempered. Ask if I’m mad I will let you know. In addition if you check the notes I metioned above that I came not to divide but to ask for your opinion and your discernment on the subject matter. I came to you as student comes to teacher. So frustrating subject matter makes me a angry blogger. Really? As a mentor or teacher in christ is that how you treat all of your eager enquirers or students? With rebuke and judgement?
Lastly I battle no pride that battle was long ego. As a watchmen on the wall I noted a possible scenario for the elect not to be deceived? So I mentioned it with questions. Why to save souls not lose them. Instead you acted as judge and jury. A pontious pilot so speak. With love you cast judgment stating I may not be one of the elect. I may be lost soul. Well thank you for your commentary and judgment pastor/teacher. You have furthered my walk with and in christ.
Are you sure I am the one with the pride issue?
Are you sure Love governs this site?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You do not reply to my message:
1. The book of Enoch is not in the Biblical cannon. It contradicts the book of Genesis and Exodus. Yes or no?
2. The Holy Spirit was in control during the Biblical cannon, and sealed the infallible Word of God. Yes or no?
Based on your answer, we can take it on from there. I have already said that I am a student of Jesus, and do make mistakes. So who is battling with pride, and are not able to admit mistakes?
True love is only found in truth. Even when it hurts.
Avar! I NEVER said the book or Enoch was part of the biblical cannon you did. Again I ONLY asked for YOUR commentary on the book of Enoch. You made the comment I did not so why are you attacking my validity as a christian. Quit pushing your judgments on me. I have made no other comments on the book of Enoch other than I thought that church leaders were scared of its contents. Does that statment make me an occultist?
Yes
Lastly you brought up the pride issue I didnt. I know were my pride lays. Im a sinner who requests Gods grace daily. A sinner who knows he is not worthy of the lamb who was slain. I pray daily that I will be one of the elect that enters his kingdom. I also pray for the rapture of the church because I long to live in a sinless world and I long to cast my crowns at the feet of Jesus. Lastly I long to hear “thank you my good and faithful servant.”
My pride simply request that that you quit casting judgments on me. You know labeling people inappropriately like calling them hot tempered, blog intimidating, occultist.
You are a leader in christ. A public speaker; a pastor. Do you NOT know that your actions as a pastor will be held more accountable at the bema seat of judgment than others? I would think that thought would on your mind 24 hours a day as you pray for discernment before you make your opinions known on your blog.
Did I pass your defintion of a christian? Can I be labeled a christian now? Am I still worthy to comment?
All I have to say is WOW!
Richard.
Shalom.
Hot tempered…..You last message was exactly that. I have not questioned your claim that you are a Christian. I have only warned you about massive deception in the last days. Since the book of Enoch is not in the Biblical cannon, stop promoting its content. Keep focus on the books that are inspired by the Holy Spirit, and leave doctrines taught by demons alone.
This is a brotherly advise.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
(This is from the good Old King James version of the Bible).
2 Samuel 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
(end of scriptures).
The word giants are used 19 times in this Bible translation. All of them found in the Old Testament. Jesus did not pay any attention to giants, in his teachings in the New Testament. This man with six fingers and six toes must have been a fearful sight for the sons and daughters of Jacob.
Be aware of this son of a giant, either survived the flood, or has born after the flood. Did these giants from the book of Enoch really come back, and had more sex with the daughters of men?
Ivar Again I am NOT promoting the book of Enoch. I only asked for your commentary on the book? Why the constant implication that I am promoting it? Its as if your cant wait to through me under the proverbial “you dont meet the christian guideline bus.”
I have only proposed the hypothesis that “The coming Great Deception” could be a result of deception from fallen angels? So I should propose satan may deceive the elect prior to the rapture of the church?
Well I wish your brotherly advice would say what it means instead of attacking or name calling.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I am sorry for saying that you are promoting the book of Enoch. Please forgive me. I will not repeat this sentence.
Thanks for asking me for my opinion about the book of Enoch. Now you know that I am more than worried about the deceptive material found in such books.
Dear all readers.
Since Richard is questioning my correctness, to blur my call on him to repent, let me re-publish his original comment.
This is a direct quote, with out my interpretation:
” I personally believe the early church leaders purposely left the book of Enoch out of the bible because they couldnt comprehend or fathom it. They couldnt explain reasonably to their congregations”.
I am not the judge. But I will surely not accept this kind of statement.
Yes you are judging Ivar. Not judging me would mean you would use my direct quotes instead of placing your own words in
Readers did I say “they dont have the guts to put the book of Enoch in the bible” as you so eloquently put it Ivar. NO I didnt. So again NOTE your correctness is off admit your mistakes and move on.
Readers Again I do not promote the book of Enoch and if ANYONE is under that premise that I do “I apologize.” I also understand that it was not in the cannon because it was not inspired by the holy spirit. I never said that was inspired by the holy spirit but I want to address brother Ivars accusations.
Ivar again I will be prayer for you and your ministries discernment and biblical correctness as you lead a flock during these last days.
I hope my apologies meet your requirements as you do not judge.
Best Wishes God Bless Ivar
Dear Richard and all readers.
Shalom.
We can all make mistakes. I do a lot. What a wretched man I am. Who but Jesus can save me from this flesh, and all kinds of sinful desires.
Richard wrote:
Readers Again I do not promote the book of Enoch and if ANYONE is under that premise that I do “I apologize.” I also understand that it was not in the cannon because it was not inspired by the holy spirit.
My reply:
Please accept his apology, and let him continue to be accepted as a Christian brother.
You never answered my question are the following false witnesses or as you labeled me occultist because they believe that fallen angels might manifest according to the scriptures I gave above prior to the rapture?
Hal Lindsey author of “Late Great Planet Earth”
Perry Stone pastor and author of VOE.org
Mark Hitchock bible prophecy author
Terry James founder of “Rapture Ready”
Chuck Missler Kionia House Founder
Bil Salus author of “Israelstine”
Just wondering?
Once again you have NOT answered the question. IVAR do you or do you not believe that 1 billion Catholics who have said the LORDS PRAYER John 3:16 will not be in the kingdom of heaven. Are they or are they not Elect? 2nd Request for an Answer
Its a Simple Yes or No question.
Because NO ONE can determine who will be in the kingdom except GOD himself. You need to answer the question because you CAN NOT cast that judgement on those people. Your answer will reflect much.
In addition 1st Timothy 1.2 is based around the leaders of the church “Thats You” Ivar “Not Quarrelsom” that means you. I am not a leader of the church. I dont have a blog or a flock in the body of christ as you do. 1st Timothy 1.2. I’m only trying to hold you accountable.
I hope you also get around to answering my question above Ivar instead of ignoring it. You have labeled me an Apostate Christian who is also an Occultist.
Are the above church leaders also Apostate Christians and Occultist because they have expressed concern over the return of the fallen angels prior to the rapture of the church? Third Request for an Answer
Again it didnt take me 10 blogs to apologize. They were YOUR WORDS not mine. You commanded an apology and I gave one. I know my heart I dont need to prove it to you but I also understand that there are many christians new to the faith that read this blog on occassion and I would not want to lead them astray or set a poor example. My pride has no problem apologizing knowing he gets the glory!
Lastly I’m going to tell you who this apostate christian thinks his king is.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Your question:
IVAR do you or do you not believe that 1 billion Catholics who have said the LORDS PRAYER John 3:16 will not be in the kingdom of heaven.
My reply:
I do not believe that anyone who base their salvation on “the Lord’s prayer” will be saved. That includes 1 billion Catholics and you. I did not fully understand your question. “LORDS PRAYER John 3:16”: What is that?
To be saved, you will have to do the Father’s will. The rest, will be sent to the fire of Hell. Not my take. But Mathew 7: 21-23.
What is the Father’s will? To OBEY the Word of God. Either you DO that, or you DO NOT.
The last war is going on. This war is against the word of God. Do not end up with those, who do not feel this is the truth. You will be judged by the word of God, either you believe this or not.
Revelation 17:14
They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
“Chosen and faithful followers”. You do not find them worshiping idols, or elevating the Pope as the “Holy Father”.
Again your skipping the questions. Do you believe all Catholics are going to
hell? Yes or No? Are the church leaders I mentioned above apostate christians and occultists? Yes or No
What does Mattew 7:21 have to do with “The Elect” or “The Lambs Book of Life?”
How can you be sure your name is written in the Book of Life? Be sure you’re saved. Repent of sin and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior (Philippians 4:3; Revelation 3:5). Once your name is written in the Book of Life, it is never erased (Revelation 3:5; Romans 8:37-39). No true believer should doubt his eternal security in Christ (John 10:28-30).
So if Catholics believe Jesus Christ is the savior you believe they are still going to Hell and the above scriptures are invalid? Well your doctrine is out of line and WRONG!
Matthew 7:21
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!
No where in Matthew 7:21 did it mention chistians who believe that Jesus christ is their savior. So how is that scripture relative?
They weren’t Christians who lost their salvation. They were never part of the elect of God, chosen before the foundation of the world (Ephesians 1:4), set apart and sanctified by the Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:21), and justified by faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). The ones Christ puts away from Himself with harsh words of condemnation, calling them doers of evil, never came to Him in faith, despite their outward good works and miracles.
Ivar so you are saying me and 1 billion catholics never came to christ. We never accepted him as our personal savior? Thats just wrong. Your wrong! Your doctrine is wrong and you are the one who needs to be in prayer for discernment.
Dear Richard and all readers.
Shalom.
There seems to be a one way street around you, and no interest in reading any message that I try to communicate to you.
I have never said that no “Catholic’s will enter the Kingdom of Heaven”. If you had taken some time off, and read the messages I have requested you to read, you would have seen this. Because of your multiple questions, and refusal to read, you create double work for me. Because I have to spoon feed you.
So please start reading. I have given you multiple links, and the right side column is full of articles about the Catholic religion.
What makes a man “a Catholic?”. Most of the Catholics do not even know what this word means….
Let me give you a hint: It is probably more hope for them, than for “Catholics”.
Again ignore the quesitons. You cant and wont answer them. Why?
Yes you did say “I do not believe that anyone who bases their salvation on the lords prayer” will be saved. That includes 1 billion Catholics and you.
Asking Jesus to come into your life and be your personal savior is the key to salvation. What in the world are you talking about IVAR?
John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
So how does this statement confuse you about salvation? Is it the word “eternal” or the word “salvation?”
Again your doctrine is wrong and you are wrong and you are leading your flock astray.
Plain and Simple
Ivar
I will be back every time I find you mis leading the church by mis quoting scripture. If spammed I will create a new email but I will continue to warn your bloggers of your false opinons!
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
I am amazed by your last message. Still no substance, only nuisance.
Richard,
You are angry and are verbally attacking Ivar for no reason. I suggest you get on your knees and pray to Christ for understanding.
A hot-tempered man stirs up strife,
but he who is slow to anger quiets contention. Proverbs 15:18
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You seems to have a different take on what love is supposed to be. Love never fails. The truth never fails. When Jesus called people brood of vipers, this was the ultimate love. He told them the truth, to give them a chance to repent.
I wrote yesterday, that I accepted your apology for being among the people who has launched war against the Biblical cannon. You admitted your mistake. Praise Jesus for that. I told all readers to continue to include you as a Christian brother.
Are you so dull, that you are not able to read?
If you have no better business to do, than at least spend some time reading the messages and links I have given you.
I never launched a war against the cannon. You did by falsely accusing me of something I never said. You need to apologize.
Once again “Are you so dull?” You can say Shalom and Love Never Fails but it clearly fails you and your attempt to bridge a discussion or state a point without putting someone down.
“If you have no better business?” I clearly hope your readers which only seems to be a handful on every opionated blog you write witness your
clear attempt to put down and manipulate.
The Love of Christ is clearly missing from you and your opinions.
I also hope they clearly review what you are saying because you are leading good christians astray.
Dear Richard.
Shalom (peace).
What is wrong in asking you if you are so dull?
I guess Jesus gave his students, not pagans, much more challenging feedback than this. Now I will encourage you to read relevant scripture, and explain to me why Jesus should not apologize to them.
And please follow my advice.
IVAR again your false words of Shalom are clearly ungenuine based upon your judgement statments and insults.
I truly feel that God sent me here to challenge your false interpretation of scripture and awaken your bloggers to your attempts to distort the notion of who has salvation and who doesnt.
You need to be in prayer as you are a falsely leading your flock astray by mis quoting and mis interpreting scripture.
In addition you have a sharp tongue; you judge, you make false statemments; you call your bloggers liars and apostate christians and occultists; you call them dull; and you say they have no better business. That is not love regardless of how many times you say Shalom or (peace)
Lastly dont ever compare your self to Jesus by stating you are giving me challenging feedback as Jesus did to his students. You are NO Jesus! IVAR
Lastly I will not follow advice from someone who is misinterpreting scripture. I will sound the alarm to all of the other blogs I participate in. I will let them know that you are misleading your bloggers and you are falsely misinterpreting scripture.
Especially from an individual who thinks he has the answer to who God is going to allow into his kingdom.
4th requests are the above church leaders apostate christians and occultists because they believe that fallen angels may return to the rapture of the church?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
As one simple proof that you are wrong, I will continue to practice freedom of speech. This blog is an open site, and will remain open. You are more than welcome back.
May Jesus of Nazareth keep you safe. Amen.
Just as I thought. No answers. Freedom of Speech “How Laughable.” You Hippocrit! You already threatened to spam to me “IVAR THE FALSE WITNESS” Thats Freedom?
You say one thing and do another and you pick and choose what to answer. Furthering my point that you are a False Witness. Your leading christians astray by not answering all questions.
Especially from someone who thinks 1 billion Catholics are going to hell.
You will have an open microphone IVAR until God judges you. Best Wishes
PS I only came back to your blog to gather information so I may report it to the other blogs I read as to report you as a “False Witness”
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
As I said. You are always welcome back. You did repent, and I have not spam you.
The information I publish Is available for all. Also those who disagree.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
Your comment:
Your leading Christian’s astray by not answering all questions.
My reply:
There are now more than 2.000 articles on this blog, and you are a free man, who can take a deeper look into all kind of issues.
During this debate, I have suggested to you, multiple links, and requested you to read at least some of them. They will bring light to all the questions you have asked.
This is not exactly silence from my side, or avoidance of debating whatever might be of your interest. When I quote from the Bible, and you feel I am misquoting. Please believe what is written in the Bible.
I am happy that you are coming back to gather information. Please do so, and feel free to comment on the issues.
Richard you should read God’s Word, and particularly Ephesians 4.
31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Thanks for helping both Richard and me, who both desire to stay faithful to Jesus.
Let me add one more scripture, that is relevant.
Ephesians 4:26
“In your anger do not sin” : Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry.
Gloria I would point out to you and Ivar to the following.
Proverbs 19:5 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
Ivar you may not think that your opinion blogs arent lies because they cant be vetted but your interpretation of salvation and Matthew 7:21 is lie that was vetted above. Pray for forgiveness.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Ivar needs to be tested.
Ivar you are boldly misinterpreting scripture I have proved my points above and I have exposed you for what you are “A False Witness”
Lastly Ivar you have scapegoated the questions I have posed because you do not want to be exposed any further. I have NO Desire to read 2,000 proposed articles from a “False witness.” who misinterprets scripture.
Gloria you are right I am angry that Ivar is falsely misinterpreting scripture. I pray that God deals with him accordingly. I also hope he repents and changes his ways before it is too late.
I came as watchman on the wall and I will leave as a watchman on the wall. I would hate to see any lost souls do to Ivars misinterpretation of scripture.
God Bless You All Maranatha
Dear Richard.
This time I will not greet you, like I normally do on this website.
Matthew 7:22-24
Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
Richard.
You are surely a man of many opinions. And since you seems to live in the free and democratic part of the World, you also have the right to voice your opinions.
You do not have to read, anything, that you do not feel reading. No one will force you.
The two verses above that you claim I have misquoted or misunderstood are pretty clear. No one will be in need of your opinions about them.
Many shall come and say whey have done a lot in HIS name. They believed they were saved, claimed to be “born again’s. But still, they had preached a “different Jesus”, and was branded as evildoers by our Master. In other Bible translations, the word “lawlessness” is used. These men were obviously involved in a war against the Word of God, in the name of “Jesus”. Like the Pope in Rome.
There will surely be no evildoers in the The Kingdom of Heaven. But Hell seems to be a place were a lot of false Christians will have to spend their eternity.
Do not end up with them.
I am a man of many opinions? You give your opinions and judgements three to four times a day. And they arent even vetted ones at that!
My rebuttle above is backed by scripture and it more than proves that your opinion that 1 billion cathothic christians will be going to hell is wrong!
I can only hope that your bloggers will not get caught up in your rhetoric and will actually read what was said. I then hope they pray for discernment and then research the scriptures that I provided that prove you are wrong!
I am sure you will continue to spin your opinions along with Gloria however you want.
Again fellow bloggers please look at what was said and research the scriptures you will see for yourself that Ivar is plainly wrong! He is misleading you!
Dear Richard.
Your message has no substance, and you are a nuisance “talker”. Please stay offline.
Richard,
You seem to put yourself on a higher elevation than others. You are offensive in your words. Yous say Ivar judges: No one here judges anything. We discuss, but your tone is very argumentive.
How is Ivar misleading people? He speaks about Jesus Christ who is the only one that can save.
And I’m going to be straightforward with you. Catholics who bow down and praise Mary and pray to her as if she was God, MUST REPENT.
Exodus 20:
3 “You shall have no other gods before me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
23 Do not make any gods to be alongside me; do not make for yourselves gods of silver or gods of gold.
23:13 “Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips.
Isaiah 42:17 But those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’ will be turned back in utter shame.
45:20 “Gather together and come; assemble, you fugitives from the nations. Ignorant are those who carry about idols of wood, who pray to gods that
cannot save.
47:13 All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by
month, let them save you from what is coming upon you.
Richard, I can give you more bible verses.
The Holy Word of God says in 1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
God Bless
Not to belabor this subject..but this movie just came out in theaters and I think it’s significant to see what kind of propaganda is being pushed..Movies condition the people how to think.
Note at the end of the clip millions of people are being sucked into the spaceship…the New Age “rapture” which re-educates the Christians who won’t go along with the new evolution of man. You really can’t underestimate how movies and tv culture as well as news try to shape the opinion of people and form their ideologies, that is why it’s important to keep your eyes open concerning this issue. Enough said.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
The alien debate got a little bit hot tempered.
This blog is an open forum for debate on faith, whatever topic. Only people who use filthy language, give treat of violence, spread Jew-hate or insult without regret, will be spam.
I agree with you that the New Age “rapture” is not scriptural, with UFO’s, alien’s and I do not know what. If there is alien life out in space, than the book of Genesis is a hoax. And since Jesus confirmed Genesis, than He also is pure imagination.
“Christians” who reject Genesis, do not believe Jesus told the truth. What a strange contradiction
I suggest Christians must keep both legs planted firmly on the Earth. That is the only place we can work, but still seems to be unable to look after.
E.T. does not need to phone home anymore, someone, or something is on it’s way to earth.
SETI Astrophysicist Craig Kasnov has announced the approach to the Earth of 3 very large, very fast moving objects. The length of the “flying saucers” is in the range of tens of kilometers. Landing, according to calculations of scientists, should be in mid-December 2012. Date coincides with the end of the Mayan calendar.
A few very large objects rapidly approaching the Earth – says SETI astrophysicist Craig Kasnov. Don’t take his word for it you can check it out for yourself. He recommends to go to the site http://www.sky-map.org/ and enter the coordinates of the giant UFO:
19 25 12 -89 46 03 – the first large object
16 19 35 -88 43 10 – a cylindrical object
02 26 39 -89 43 13 – the object as a circle
The project participants are assured that the facilities are absolutely real, and the American space agency NASA is trying to conceal important information.
None of these objects can be seen from the northern hemisphere. The second set of numbers in each line tells us that the “object” or “objects” is/are coming in from very deep in the southern hemisphere sky.
In any case, the only thing we can do now – wait for it – says Kasnov. – Soon celestial objects will be visible in a good telescope
Dear Carl.
Shalom, and welcome to this site,
You wrote:
E.T. does not need to phone home anymore, someone, or something is on it’s way to earth.
My reply:
God’s judgment is on its way to Earth. God of the Bible promised to send all who reject His Son, Jesus of Nazareth to Hell. The Son, The Lion of Judah and offspring of Jewish King David is about to return to Earth, together with His angles.
You need to read the Bible, and learn what is just ahead of us. Because the UFO’s books you read, is not going to save you.
You wrote:
Landing, according to calculations of scientists, should be in mid-December 2012. Date coincides with the end of the Mayan calendar.
My reply:
Jesus said no one knows the day and hour of His return. Only Father God in Heaven. The end will take people by surprise. Your last day on Earth, might be today. Tomorrow you will find your self in the burning flames of Hell. No UFO to come and collect you on the end of the Mayan calender.
Namaste
I have read the last several articles. I am not going to make a comment on religion or express my feelings of what is the right and wrong paths. I look inside myself and i know the truth. This is the same feeling im sure everyone has about their religion. this is why i will not argue. I however encourage everyone to read the Tao Te Chang. Some may call it a religion. I do not call it my religion. I call it a good book. Just like the bible and other philosophical stories. I feel it has a tone that can be applied to whatever your religion or philosophy on life might be.
ok so maybe that was a comment on religion…
Shalom I come in peace. I seek your opinion in a positive light. I hope you post it and I hope we can discuss it without attacking each other. Again Shalom
After your opinion last week Ivar regarding the Book of Enoch not being an inspired book of the “holy Spirit” I just wondered, which led me to research it. Again I dont have conclusive opinion but the following research on Enoch is ineteristing. So I would like your opinion.
What we know about Enoch. Enoch lived 365 years before he was taken to heaven by God. Ironically 365 is the number of days in a year. Enoch fathered Methuselah the oldest man in the bible who lived 969 years. Enoch was the great-grandfather of Noah.
Enoch’s name speaks about being “disciplined,” “self-controlled” and “dedicated.” These are all characteristics of the Faithful Church. Enoch father’s name was Jared which in Hebrew means “come from above”. The detail about Enoch coming from Jared speaks of how the Faithful Church is the RESULT of the Holy Spirit who was poured out on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2.
The book of Enoch is directly quoted in Jude 14 “a cannonized epislte.” Enoch’s walk with God and his family geneolgy is described in Genesis 5.18-21 In fact in Genesis 5:24, “Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.” We can all agree Enoch must have been an amazing man for god to take him into heaven without death.
The book of Enoch existed in Ethiopia, where the Ethiopian Jews took it with them when they fled Isreal, and is considered “canon” by the Ethiopian church. The early orthodox Christian fathers, Iranaeus, Justin, Clement, all said that it was indeed a inspired work. Could it then be that the church leaders of Europe just didnt get a copy of the book of Enoch until the early 1600’s thats why it wasnt cannonized in Europe?
Look we all know Enoch was a godly man. We know Enochs father was a godly man. We know Enoch wrote the book of Enoch. So why wouldnt it be considered to be a book written and inspired by the “Holy Spirit” Why wasnt it cannonized is the question?
Richard,
Your comment: So why wouldnt it be considered to be a book written and inspired by the “Holy Spirit” Why wasnt it cannonized is the question?
My Comment: It does seem like you promote this supposed book of Enoch. But the bible is clear on all other books that do not have the HOLY WORD OF GOD
4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Pressed post comment too soon.
That bible verse is found in 2 Corinthians 11, and as far as your question why wasn’t it cannonized? I believe Ivar posted the errors in this supposed Enoch’s book.
But I will repost Ivar’s comments:
The book of Enoch contradict the book of Genesis, and the rapture of this man. In chapter 17 and 36 of the book of Watchers, the first part of the book of Enoch, is explaining Enoch’s journey through the Earth and Sheol (grave). The book of Genesis explains that Enoch did not die, and did not enter Sheol.
The Astronomical book inside the book of Enoch also contradict the book of Exodus, and the law.
In the Book of Enoch, Each year and each season started always on Wednesday, which was the fourth day of the creation narrated in Genesis, the day when the lights in the sky, the seasons, the days and the years were created.
The sect that made this book, is a kind of 4th day Adventists, and worshipers of kabalism (mysticism). Totally unknown to both Judaism and Christianity. This book reminds me about the desert demon that gave inspiration to an Arab named Muhammad, that also had encounters with Jins, or unclean spirits, presented as Holy.
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Could it then be that the church leaders of Europe just didnt get a copy of the book of Enoch until the early 1600′s thats why it wasnt cannonized in Europe?
My reply:
The book of Enoch is not a New Testament book. Its an Old Testament book. Since the Jews rejected this book as falsehood and did not take it into the Hebrew Bible Cannon, there was no issue of the Christian Church leaders changing that, 1000 years later in 400 A.D.
The book of Enoch contradicts the book of Genesis. That was more than enough reason for the Jews, to reject this book. The books that Jesus quoted from are all found in the Hebrew Bible. Jesus had only one Bible. The Jewish and Christian book we call the Old Testament. Since Jesus never approved the book of Enoch, there is no need for us to take a different stand.
Ivar Not all jews rejected the book of Encih. Why do you think Ethiopian Jews included the book of Enoch in their Cannon?
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
There are a lot of gnostic books, and non-canonized books. You just have to believe in Jesus. He disagree with the Ethiopian Jews. He disagreed with other Jews also, and with the Greeks. The Holy Spirit did not let the book of Enoch enter into neither the Bible Jesus was using, nor the full Bible you are suppose to defend.
I appreciate the response
Dear Richard.
Shalom.
And I am blessed by your interest.
This has been an interesting topic to follow. I spent some time looking around and found this person’s view.
http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/gen/gen_6.shtml
A point was made that only God can give life. The physical body is not what matters because “…for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.” It is the soul that counts and that comes from God. If the angels came down and had physical bodies with reproductive organs they could marry all they want but it isn’t up to them to give life. It’s God that gives the soul. The soul doesn’t come from you or me.
Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
So, if these fallen angels were having children with women, who gave them life and soul and spirit? Do you think God was involved with this, giving life and breath to the children? Or do you think that fallen angels, in other words devils, can do this on their own?
Google “End Times Passover blog, Dec. 14” & read “Pretrib Rapture & Demons” for a 4-alarm earthquake!
Interesting blog, will follow up.. I used to believe in aliens, evolution, astrophysics and so on before I found faith in Jesus Christ and the Bible. Our struggle is against spiritual wickedness and deceptions indeed. NASA and the scientific community are long since infiltrated by Satan and his lies. It’s a step by step deception, they first say the earth is not the center of the universe, then go on to claim we are all magically evolved from a rock, then that the universe was created magically in a big bang and is infinite, then they claim to have been on the moon. While feeding us computer generated images of supernovas, quasars, galaxies and so forth. (You have been an amatour astronomer yourself Ivar, you know that no telescope can pick up anything more than specs of light, let alone planets and solar systems “light-years away”). Now enter the aliens, or demons. It’s a well constructed lie, I’ll give him that, but then again he is the father of lies. He has effectively destroyed the message contained in the Bible through psuedo science. Well constructed but well easily debunked by those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
The Bible states 67 times that the earth is standing still How many times does it state anything about the earth revolving on it’s axis or orbiting the sun? 0!
I would like to share with you this site:
http://www.fixedearth.com this page contains alot of science history and sound biblical analysis in text and audio format, and:
http://www.staticearth.net this site contains a simpler introduction into this theory, or truth!
Regards from Norway.
God bless you all.
Dear Kim.
Shalom, my Norwegian brother.
You wrote:
The father of lies. He has effectively destroyed the message contained in the Bible through psuedo science.
My reply:
The truth about the creation of Heaven and Earth is found in the book of Genesis. If we believe in an omnipotent God, why is it so difficult to believe that the Universe was created by Him, beyond what human beings are able to understand?
Man is simply not omnipotent, even though some of us tries our best to play ‘god”.
Man can simply not understand the concept of something eternal. We need to have a beginning and an end, to be able to grasp anything physical. The concept of “Eternity” can only be accepted with a childish form of faith. I do believe my Father, and will obey Him, even when I do not understand.
You’re missing the point. I’m saying the universe was created by him, but why does it have to be infinite? Who is saying that? The Bible isn’t that’s for sure.
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. Gen 1:16-18
The “fimament of heaven” implies a finite universe doesn’t it. Take a look at the links i provided. It’s pretty ground shaking but it’s the truth.
Dear Kim.
Shalom.
I was a hobby Astronomer in my youth, and I had a great grandmother who claimed that man would never be able to land on the moon….It is a light, she claimed.
I am still puzzled by Christians who comes to me, and claim that the American moon landing in 1969, was a fake event, filmed in a Hollywood studio….
The Earth is not flat. Even though it looks like, from your window. Any man who have entered into space, can explain the wickedness of the two links you are promoting. Even from a high flying aircraft, you can seen the mountains on the moon. Use a strong telescope and you might even discover the “man on the moon…”
The bible says:
Colossians 1:16 For by him ALL THINGS were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.
“I am still puzzled by Christians who comes to me, and claim that the American moon landing in 1969, was a fake event, filmed in a Hollywood studio…”
So you take what NASA and scientific community says as truth even more so than the Bible?
I urge you, brothers and sisters, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people. Everyone has heard about your obedience, so I rejoice because of you; but I want you to be wise about what is good, and innocent about what is evil.
Romans 16:17
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
2 Timothy 4:3
Beware of these false teachers, to me it doesn’t get much clearer than that the powers that be are not of God. Valuing their doctrines over the Bible is blasphemy. And furthermore, it is stiff necked or hard hearted, or both, of you to dismiss what I bring to you now as easily as you do.
Put on the whole armor of God, so that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12
Who do you think these POWERS are? Could it be entities like NASA, the UN, factions within many governments?
Son of man, you dwell in the midst of a rebellious house, which has eyes to see but does not see, and ears to hear but does not hear; for they are a rebellious house. Ezekiel 12:2
You have ears, use them.
Dear unrestrained33…
Are you Kim? Or who are you?
Sir Newton had a problem with why objects fell to the ground. Suddenly He saw the light, when an apple fell on his head….I guess science in the mind of many Christians can not solve any issue. Well, its better to switch off your light and go home…If you do not have a motor bike, off course.
Everything outside of the Word of God, is not an illusion. We can also learn a lot from the Law of physics, also a gift from Jesus the Messiah.
Big deal, he discovered something falls down. Doens’t support an infinate universe though…The problem is when people have blind faith in science, the powers that be can tell them whatever they please, even if it pulls the rug under the message in the Bible. Through peer review, alluring bonuses for those who spread the word and sop on… The very foundation of the Bible, that WE are Gods creation, we are not a spec of dust in space, and that we are CREATED, not evolved have both been effectively destroyed by “science”, and peoples blind faith in it. Of course not all science is bogus but that which the rank and file person cannot prove or disprove often is. Aspecially that which attacs the message in the good book. But as I write this, and remember your antagonism, of the bat, it becomes clear you are not in Jesus Christ spirit. You must be either mislead or a misleader. A true christian would entertain my thoughts for a second and reply in an open, curious manner, not cut them down like you just did. But thanks for showing your true self so quickly.
Dear Unrestrained.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Of course not all science is bogus.
My reply:
That was my point. And I do believe we are created. I hope I have showed my true colors by this Biblical statement.
I never said the earth was flat! Now you are showing your true self, or being extremely stubborn.
Hey Ivar, can you delete the comments made signed with my name?? I did not post these comments myself!!
Good Grief this site just plain weird with such topics like Pre-rapture and then aliens!?!?!
There is no such belief in Christianity of a “Pre-Tribulation or Rapture”. This concept was invented in the 1800’s by Fundamentalist Protestants. It has no ground in Scripture or Tradition- Tradition confirms Scripture. The term rapture is unbiblical!! If this Pre-Trib rapture were true than it would be taught from day one- it would not have been “sealed” for the first 1800 years of Christianity just waiting to be discovered in the 1800’s by heretics.
No, the Church specifically teaches that the Church will suffer through the tribulation. The Church is the body of Christ; the Church must suffer just as Christ suffered.
As Christians overall, we must pray and suffer and do good works in order to participate in our salvation. Fundamentalist Protestants typically believe that only faith is needed, not works and not suffering. As a result, they think that the Church (or at least the best Christians) will be raptured, i.e. taken quickly away, so as not to suffer. The idea of the rapture is based on the theology of salvation. The Catholic belief that we benefit, that we merit, by suffering for Christ leads us not to believe in the rapture.
Problems with the pre-tribulational view are highlighted by Baptist (and premillennial) Check out theologian Dale Moody, who wrote: “Belief in a pre-tribulational rapture . . . contradicts all three chapters in the New Testament that mention the tribulation and the rapture together (Mark 13:24–27; Matt. 24:26–31; 2 Thess. 2:1–12). . . . The theory is so biblically bankrupt that the usual defense is made using three passages that do not even mention a tribulation (John 14:3; 1 Thess. 4:17; 1 Cor. 15:52). These are important passages, but they have not had one word to say about a pre-tribulational rapture. The score is 3 to 0, three passages for a post-tribulational rapture and three that say nothing on the subject.
. . . Pre-tribulationism is biblically bankrupt and does not know it” (The Word of Truth, 556–7).
The passage from Paul’s letter that is the basis for the Protestant rapture is actually speaking about the very end of the world (in the very distant future) at the time of the resurrection of the dead. Then, those who are still alive on earth do not die and immediately rise; instead, they receive the benefits of the resurrection without ever dying.
Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.
A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance. . . . Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire! But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8–14).
Dear Leo
Shalom.
You wrote:
No, the Church specifically teaches that the Church will suffer through the tribulation. The Church is the body of Christ; the Church must suffer just as Christ suffered.
My comment:
It is important to have a balanced understanding about sufferings. Jesus took our sufferings on the cross. Still we have to suffer for HIS name’s sake. We are not going to suffer for eternity. In the Kingdom of Heaven, there will be no suffering.
Life on Earth is not going to be miserable. We must enjoy God’s creation, and rejoice that we can be saved. Jesus will return to save those who are WAITING for Him. Be ready. The Bible very clearly states that we will meet Him in the air. I trust and obey. I do not question the correctness of scripture.
[Hi Ivarfjeld. Found this item on the web. Lord bless.]
(This article reveals some research that is No. 1 on the “hate list” of many “fundy” Christians because it shows that their idolized “rapture” belief – the inspiration behind Lindsey’s and LaHaye’s all-time bestsellers – is only a 19th century invention and that credit long given to John Darby for it should go to a long unknown 15-year-old girl in Scotland!)
Margaret Macdonald’s Rapture Chart !
“church” RAPTURE “church”
(present age) (tribulation)
In early 1830 Margaret was the very first one to see a pre-Antichrist (pretribulation) rapture in the Bible – and John Walvoord and Hal Lindsey lend support for this claim!
Walvoord’s “Rapture Question” (1979) says her view resembles the “partial-rapture view” and Lindsey’s “The Rapture” (1983) admits that “she definitely teaches a partial rapture.”
But there’s more. Lindsey (p. 26) says that partial rapturists see only “spiritual” Christians in the rapture and “unspiritual” ones left behind to endure Antichrist’s trial. And Walvoord (p. 97) calls partial rapturists “pretribulationists”!
Margaret’s pretrib view was a partial rapture form of it since only those “filled with the Spirit” would be raptured before the revealing of the Antichrist. A few critics, who’ve been repeating more than researching, have noted “Church” in the tribulation section of her account. Since they haven’t known that all partial rapturists see “Church” on earth after their pretrib rapture (see the “church-splitting” chart above), they’ve wrongly assumed that Margaret was a posttrib!
In Sep. 1830 Edward Irving’s journal “The Morning Watch” (hereafter: TMW) was the first to publicly reflect her novel view when it saw spiritual “Philadelphia” raptured before “the great tribulation” and unspiritual “Laodicea” left on earth.
In Dec. 1830 John Darby (the so-called “father of dispensationalism” even though he wasn’t first on any crucial aspect of it!) was still defending the historic posttrib rapture view in the “Christian Herald.”
Pretrib didn’t spring from a “church/Israel” dichotomy, as many have assumed, but sprang from a “church/church” one, as we’ve seen, and was based only on symbols!
But innate anti-Jewishness soon appeared. (As noted, TMW in Sep. 1830 saw only less worthy church members left behind.) In Sep. 1832 TMW said that less worthy church members and “Jews” would be left behind. But by Mar. 1833 TMW was sure that only “Jews” would face the Antichrist!
As late as 1837 the non-dichotomous Darby saw the church “going in with Him to the marriage, to wit, with Jerusalem and the Jews.” And he didn’t clearly teach pretrib until 1839. His basis then was the Rev. 12:5 “man child…caught up” symbol he’d “borrowed” (without giving credit) from Irving who had been the first to use it for the same purpose in 1831!
For related articles Google “X-Raying Margaret,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture’s Missing Lines,” “The Unoriginal John Darby,” “Open Letter to Todd Strandberg,” “Deceiving and Being Deceived” by D.M., “Pretrib Rapture Pride,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” and “Scholars Weigh My Research.” The most documented and accurate book on pretrib rapture history is “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books online) – a 300-pager that has hundreds of disarming facts (like the ones above) not found in any other source.