Islamic State has posted a video of shooting and beheading of 30 Ethiopian Christians in Libya.
Reuters was not able to verify the authenticity of the video but the killings resemble past violence carried out by Islamic State, an ultra-hardline group which has expanded its reach from strongholds in Iraq and Syria to conflict-ridden Libya.
The video, in which militants call Christians “crusaders” who are out to kill Muslims, showed about 15 men being beheaded on a beach and another group of the same size, in an area of shrubland, being shot in the head.
Both groups of men are referred to in a subtitle as “worshippers of the cross belonging to the hostile Ethiopian church”.
Libyan officials were not immediately available for comment.
Ethiopia said it had not been able to verify whether the people shown in the video were its citizens.
“Nonetheless, the Ethiopian government condemns the atrocious act,” government spokesman Redwan Hussein said. He said Ethiopia, which does not have an embassy in Libya, would help repatriate Ethiopians if they wanted to leave Libya.
Source: Reuters:
My comment:
The Islamic state claim that Christian leaders were behind the slaughter of Muslims in Iraq during the Gulf war.
This claim is based on a misunderstanding.
Former US President George W. Bush and Tony Blair might be religious, and even claim to be “Christians”. But they have never been followers of Jesus the Messiah.
Matthew 5:43-45
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,that you may be sons of your Father in heaven;
Regardless of the crimes done by Western nations against Arab nations. When the Islamic state beheads and crucify local Christians as a act of revenge, they kill people who have done them no wrong. What we see is barbaric, horrible acts done by followers of Satan.
True followers of Jesus the Messiah do no harm to others. Neither do they rob other nations oil resources, nor do they kill to achieve economical gains.
I am able to understand that many Muslims do not see the difference between false and true Christianity. But I fail to understand why claimed to be Christians can not tell the difference between right and wrong. My best guess if that they do not read the Bible, or simply do not believe what they read. Some pastors might have told them not to “judge”.
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True Christians, when they go to war, always do so reluctantly and in defense of the innocent, when attacked. In the early Church, when a follower of Jesus joined the Roman army, he was automatically put out of the church because the Roman army was rightly seen as an army of conquest. Joining an army of conquest was seen as an act of dis-fellowship with Jesus. The ISIS murders of non-combatants is rightly seen by anyone with any sense of morality as an atrocity. They are led by Satan.
Dear job3627
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
True Christians, when they go to war, always do so reluctantly and in defense of the innocent, when attacked.
My reply:
This is one of the most challenging topics for followers of Jesus. Self-defense. Do we have a right to use lethal force, in a bid to protect our familiy?
If so: Where in the Word of God can we find a permission to do so?
All the apostels laid down their life for Jesus. We do not know if they were involved in battles, before they were martyred. I feel it is right to have the attitude that I will not harm anyone. But rather see death in he flesh as gain, if someone want to promote me to the Kingdom of Heaven. I have come to the conclusion, that If someone want to kill my family members, and they have got permission from above, there is nothing I can do to stop them. Just delay the actions of the butchers.
John 21:19
Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!”
I dont think Jesus want me to cripple or kill anyone.
Hi Ivar,
There are a few curiosities in the New Testament that lead one to believe that the sole purpose for a believer to commit violent acts is to protect the innocent and to restrain evil. There is the observation in 1 Cor. 13:7 “…love always protects…” an implied mandate to do what needs to be done to protect the innocent. There is also the Lord’s instruction in Luke 22:36, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one…” Why would the Lord tell them to sell their cloaks (certainly very valuable to an itinerant missionary) and buy a sword, if it was not to be used for protection? A knife could be used for many purposes. I can think of no other purpose for a sword, but that of protection.
You said:
“I dont think Jesus want me to cripple or kill anyone.”
My response:
Do you think that He would rather that a Satan-inspired murderer would do the same to a member of your family, if you could stop it from happening? The God of the Old Testament IS the God of the New Testament. Surely, any reading of the Old Testament reveals Him as favoring the righteous use of war to further His goals for mankind and to restrain evil. Had the Israelites simply laid down their arms, Satan’s forces would have annihilated them (without God’s protection) and did, when He removed His protection because of their disobedience. God expected the Israelites to fight to possess the land that He decreed they should take from the evil ones, and to protect their own lives and those of their family members. Laying down arms is to invite holocaust–the slaughter of European Jews occurred, in large part, because many of the Jewish people simply gave up, instead of fleeing and/or fighting the evil. The State of Israel was formed from the refusal to ever experience slaughter again. And I believe that God supports them in that. I believe the Lord would have us “occupy until He comes.” (Luke 19:13). Many of the world’s people have a type of fatalism that allows terrible evils to flourish and I do not believe that the Lord would have us cease contending for righteousness, until He comes with His perfect righteousness and peace.
Dear job3627
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Yes, God of the Old Testament is God of the New Testament. It was God of the Old Testament who died on the cross, and who rose from the dead for our justification. And who said a man who use the sword, shall fall by the sword.
It is God of the New Testament who gave the caretaker job of Zion to the Jewish people, 3.000 years ago. The same God who re-established the state of Israel in 1948. The majority of the Jewish people do not agree that God of the New Testament is with them, that He is the very rock of Israel.
Do God of the New Testament give permission to the IDF to cripple and kill people?
Dear job3627
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
There is another ascept of using lethal force. God of the Bible protect His children by letting non believers fight each other. By keeping the ungodly busy crippling and killing each other. If you have not harmed anyone, very few people will try to take revange on you.
The civil war within Islam is a gross example. Not it is Iran and ISIL that do the most barbaric acts on the face of the Earth.
Well, as I said before, I believe that Christians must always turn to war as a last resort. Every other method should be used to avert evil when possible. God can and has caused unbelievers to fight each other as a means of protecting His people. It is all in His hands–but He does deputize His people too.
Hi Ivar,
You said:
“Yes, God of the Old Testament is God of the New Testament. It was God of the Old Testament who died on the cross, and who rose from the dead for our justification. And who said a man who use the sword, shall fall by the sword…”
That was undoubtedly an accurate observation by our Lord. But He also said, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10:34) Romans 12:18 says, “If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.” The implication here is a recognition that it is NOT possible. Ghandi was a pacifist. The God of the Bible is not. Once sin entered the world, violent conflict soon followed and God has His champions of truth and justice. One day, they will gladly lay down their swords.
You said:
“Do God of the New Testament give permission to the IDF to cripple and kill people?”
I think He probably weeps over every victim of war–just as God’s people do. Every right-believing man of war prays for peace most of all. Warfare is inevitable as long as Satan is free to roam the earth. Once he is bound, there will be a delightful flowering of peace. I pray that that day comes very very soon.
Dear job3627
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Let me try to answer my own question.
“Do God of the New Testament give permission to the IDF to cripple and kill people?”
The answer is no. The people of Israel is responsible for their own actions.
The state of Israel is not a righteous nation. The majority of the Israelies do not believe in God. And they act accordingly. God of the Bible has gathered them home, not because they are righteous. Nor because they belive Yeshua is the Messiah. But for the sake of His holy name. He said He would do it, and He did it.
God has given man authority on Earth. The people of Israel are the caretakers of His land. God is not responsible for all that Israel do. God wants every man to be saved, not to be killed. Still He wants the state of Israel to survive. He do not interfare when the Israelis use lethal force.
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If the Vatican added extra books to the Holy Bible in 1545 as you have explained elsewhere, then how and why did the Orthodox (Greek, Coptic, Ukrainian, Ethiopian)
Christian churches have the extra books in their Holy Bibles too after the Great
Schism of 1054?
The Christians from Ethiopia that was martyred have the same Books in the Bible you claim the Catholic Church added.
This is merely a question to understand your doctrine because hey I just do not get it.
Dear armmorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I am a mercyful Christian. I know you read this blog, and I have released you from the spam filter.
Ivar
All I want to do is defend my Catholic faith.
There are so many misunderstandings it probably will not be long before I get kicked off again.
That said it is my mistake – I should not even visit this blog but it breaks my heart to read all the misunderstandings.
It is my wish to debate in a orderly manner so that your readers can investigate for themselves.
Dear armmorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus,
You wrote:
The Christians from Ethiopia that was martyred have the same Books in the Bible you claim the Catholic Church added. This is merely a question to understand your doctrine because hey I just do not get it.
My reply:
For the Islamic state it is a non-issue how many books those they behead have in their Bibles. This article is about Muslims kiling Christans who have done them no harm. If a Christian harm another person, he can expect that person to take revange. This applies to both Copts, Catholics and Pentecostals.
I guess they’re ignorant of history. History says the pope promised the crusaders eternal life and forgiveness for sins to go and fight in the holy land. Bush who called it a crusade kissed the popes ring, Bush’s father who led the first war in the middle east looked forward to a New World Order with the pope as it’s moral authority. Sort of convenient for the pope that they are killing these non catholics who the catholics used to kill as heretics, back in the day before it became unpopular to do in the public eye without masks on.
Ed Jones
You wrote:
History says the pope promised the crusaders eternal life and forgiveness for sins to go and fight in the holy land.
My Reply:
Will you please provide the source where this documentation can be found.
Does this mean the Crusades were perfect. No of course not.
There were incidences of tragedy, wherein Jews were killed, and Eastern Christians were killed.
That was never the intent of the Crusades, and yes it did happen.
Today, when this sort of thing happens, we call it “mistaken or friendly fire”
It happens when military commanders make mistakes or even troops, and something doesn’t go as planned.
It does not matter the form of christian you are MURDER IN THE NAME OF GOD IS WRONG,No christian,catholic,baptist,etc is doing this world wide only the muslim extremist are doing this,cant keep using the excuse its pay back,They begin around 630 AD during the Muslim conquests under Rashidun and Umayyad caliphs,spreading throughout the middle eastIt was not only romans killing the Jewish “christian”.By the way how do you define there faith and what makes them a “REAL”christian as according to you most christians follow a false JESUS
I suppose it is wrong for Christians to defend themselves.
All religions are attacking the Catholic Church for the Crusades.
The Crusades were born from the violent aggression of Islam, which had conquered ancient Christian territory in the Holy Land and North Africa and established a large foothold in Europe.
Crusades were a response to the persecution of indigenous Christians living in the occupied territories, whose lives were restricted and who suffered constant pressure to convert to Islam.
The same is happening now, just on a much much smaller scale.
Do you think the ISIL feel the same way, that the catholic crusades were justified. So instead of beheading catholic “christians” they behead the non catholic christians? Sort of convenient for the pope, who doesn’t feel that the other christians belong. Do you really expect me to believe the same guy who was interogatting and burning the books of heretical non catholic christains would wage a war on their behalf? No, I think they are just a pathological liars,
Ed Jones
You wrote:
Sort of convenient for the pope, who doesn’t feel that the other christians belong.
My Reply:
Just yesterday the Pope said:
“It makes no difference whether the victims are Catholic, Copt, Orthodox or Protestant,” Pope Francis said in his message. “Their blood is one and the same in their confession of Christ!”
Ed Jones
You wrote:
So instead of beheading catholic “christians” they behead the non catholic christians?
My reply:
Google Catholic Priests beheaded by ISIS.
Then look at the religion population below.
Ethiopian Orthodoxy (43.5%)
Pentay (Protestant) (18.6%)
Catholicism (0.7%)
Islam (33.9%)
Traditional faiths (2.6%)
Other (0.7)
Do you think that you have made a fair comment?
We are all Christians and ISIS is evil.
Why can we not just all stand together.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
We are all Christians and ISIS is evil.
My reply:
ISIL is evil. But do you pray in any other names than Jesus?
One priest. Perhaps that one priest was going to play the whistle blower and got his head cut off. But we will have to wait for the judgement day to see what all that goes on in secret.
Not all confessions of Christ are equal as pope Francis would like to believe..
He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
many here in america still believe george bush to be a christian and his father who called for a “New World Order” in a presidential address to the nation. along with being best buddies with the bin ladens and running cocaine into the u.s. with manuel noriega. it does not pay to be a leader of a foriegn country and do dirt with the bush dynasty. all end up dead or doing life in prison.
I think I see how it works. When it comes to war ‘ALL human blood is equal’. Everybody wants it to stop. But by lopping off the heads of Christians it becomes a religious thing and brings it into the jurisdiction of the pope, inviting him to the peace deal, where all the gains are to be made.
Then “All christain blood is equal”. Is that what pope Francis means?
Pope Francis also said in an interview:
In some countries they kill Christians because they wear a cross or have a Bible.
Before killing, they don’t ask if they’re Anglicans, Lutherans, Catholics or Orthodox.
Every Christian has to know that there is more that unites us than divides us.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I do not entertain and waist my time on people who duck my questions. That will be a reason for why they are spammed, or not welcomed on this site,
It is not the killings of ISIL that unites us. ISIL kills mostly Muslims, and secular people. All of them will have to spend eternity in Hell.
What unite us is if we pray to, and honor Jesus alone. Catholics at large are not Christians. If they do not honor, obey and relay on the Messiah.
Please answer my question. Or stop commenting on this site.
If Christians unite because people are killing Christians that only enables someone to kill christians in order to unite them into an unholy alliance behind murderers and liars.
Ivar
You asked:
But do you pray in any other names than Jesus?
My answer:
Not sure what you mean.
But yes, I do ask friends and family to pray for me.
And yes, I do ask Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saints in Heaven to pray for me.
The union, with the saints on earth and the saints in Heaven is referred to as the communion of saints in the Apostles Creed.
The Saints in Heaven is also part of the Body of Christ the Church and has not been cut off and forgotten.
Then there is Hebrews 12:1 – “a great cloud of witnesses”. Those would be the Saints in Heaven. The Saints are not dead.
If you are asking someone to pray for you, do you realise you asking them to be a mediator for you.
When you pray for someone then you become the mediator.
Upon Mt. Tabor, Jesus spoke to Moss and Elijah who were long dead.
Matthew 17:3
And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Does this answer your question?
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for the reply:
I once told a Catholic, that if you pray to a “saint” you might pray to a demon. Because, frankly. You do not know if that man was a blunt hypocrite, who faced jugdment and was sent to Hell.
The same message to you.
You are not a Christian. Because you do not obey Jesus. You are a spirital prostitute, who mock him using his name.
When Jesus the Messiah has instructed us to pray in His name, to obey, trust and relay on Him, only, you are a fool who do not do as He say.
Christians do honor Him as Lord, God, Master, King and Brother. And we do not accept Roman Catholics as Christians.
There are Catholics who do not obey the dogmas and doctrines of the Pope, but still call them selves “Catholics”, for whatever reasons. I know some of them, who I can idenify as Christians. You are not one of them.
Dear Ivar
Thanks for that. I do consider myself Christian just as all Catholics are Christians.
Jesus Christ is our example. And it is He who first portrayed the new dispensation of the communion of saints, when, still in the Flesh, He climbed the Mountain of Tabor and spoke freely with Moses and Elijah in the company of Peter, James and John (Matthew 17:1-3).
Dear Ivar
It really seems you believe Catholics are not Christian (although we are)
Lets say you ask the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church the following questions. What will their reply be. (remember they are the martyrs in your heading on this page)
Questions:
1. Why / do you pray to Blessed Virgin Mary and the Saints in Heaven?
2. Why / do you believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist?
3. Why / do you have relics and honour them?
4. Why / do you recite the Hail Mary just as the Catholics do.
5. Why / do you just like the Catholic Church believe in the Sacrament of confession and anointing of the sick.
Ivar, by calling me spiritual prostitute you are gaining nothing.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus
You wrote:
Ivar, by calling me spiritual prostitute you are gaining nothing.
My reply:
I have no hidden motives but desire to tell the truth. How you handle the truth, will tell all who read this blog who you are.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Lets say you ask the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church the following questions…..
My reply:
There are many religious movements who have accepted the Papacy, and move in union with him. Either they are beheaed by ISIL or not. Being murdered by Muslims do not make anyone righteous. Obeying Jesus the Messiah does. He is our righteousnes, and there is no other.
Roman Catholics are not Christians.
Dear Ivar
You said:
I do not entertain and waist my time on people who duck my questions.
My reply:
I am not aware of any more questions. The previous answer of mine must have overlapped you remark regarding ducking.
With respect talk about ducking questions. You as the Owner of this site please guide me to the rules of this site and I will assume the rules will apply to all.
Dear Ivar
You wrote:
Obeying Jesus the Messiah does. He is our righteousnes, and there is no other.
My reply:
I fully agree.
The prophecy in Malachi 4:2 has been fulfilled.
“But for you who fear my name the Sun of righteousness shall rise, with healing in its wings.”
1John 2:1
“But the path of the righteous is like the light of dawn, which shines brighter and brighter until full day.”
John 8:12
“I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life
John 12:46
“I have come as light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in darkness
Jesus Christ is the True Light of the world, the righteous One.
You wrote:
Roman Catholics are not Christians.
My reply:
I do not agree.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I claim that Roman Catholics are not Christians. Your reply is that you do not agree.
So we obviously have to make a definition of what a Christian is. What makes a man a Christian?
A minimum requirement:
1. A man must not pray in any other name than Jesus.
2. A man must believe that Jesus is God.
If you fail to obey any of these two requirements, you might be very religious. But you are not a Christian. You misuse the name of the Messiah.
Dear Ivar
You wrote:
What makes a man a Christian?
My reply:
Christian is anyone who has received Baptism in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit (regardless of who administered Baptism).
The name Christian predates all Protestant and Evangelical Churches by many centuries.
Many people who think that Catholics are not Christian may be surprised to learn they accept the authority of several Catholic councils every time they pick up their Bible.
You wrote
1. A man must not pray in any other name than Jesus.
My reply
I have discussed this
April 22, 2015 at 7:57 am
You wrote
2. A man must believe that Jesus is God.
My reply
This is Catholic doctrine.
In 325 A.D the Catholic Church discerned the Holy Spirit’s voice for the doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three persons in one).
Trinity is a Catholic doctrine that predates the Evangelical community by 1200 years.
Dear armmorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
First:
The name Christian predates all Protestant and Evangelical Churches by many centuries.
Second:
In 325 A.D the Catholic Church discerned the Holy Spirit’s voice for the doctrine of the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit, three persons in one). Trinity is a Catholic doctrine that predates the Evangelical community by 1200 years.
My reply:
I dont like you spreading lies and deception on this blog. So again I will request you to leave. It is simply a lie that “Catholic doctrines predates the the Evangelical community by 1200 years”. This lie has been told a million times by the Papists, and I get annoied when I have to repeat what I have written to you before. You are not her to listen, but to spread falsehood and Vatican inspired propaganda.
I get the feeling that you will never repent. You look like sealed for the comming destruction.
This is the truth:
1. The Evangelical community pre-dates the Roman Catholic Church by more than 250 years.
2. The Roman Catholic Church was formed by the Emperor in Rome and his Pope, more than 250 years after several Evangelical and Apostolic Churches had started to spread the good news out of Jerusalem.
3. The Thomas Church in India was established in the first centrury A.D. It knew no Pope, but experienced an assult by Roman Catholics from Portugal from 1500 A.D onwards.
4. The Assyrian Church of the East did not accept the newcommer, the Papacy in Rome, and split from the Roman Catholic bid to control the global Church already in 400 A.D.
5. The Coptic Church in Egypt predates the Roman Catholic Church by 250 years. And have had its own “Pope” up to this day. The Copts do not follow the Roman Catholic callender, but have their own feasts on their appointed time.
All these Evangelical Apostolic Churches belived in the trinity. They have faced divisions, and some of the fractions have moved into union with the Pope in Rome.
Hi armorrcc,
I agree that it is possible for a Roman Catholic to become a Christian by diligently studying the word of God, but then I wonder how they can stay in the RCC? I have left churches for a great deal less apostasy than what comes out of the Vatican. The Vatican does so much to ensure that many many Roman Catholics do NOT become true followers of Jesus. It is amazing that the only Christians who are publicly confronting them with their paganistic nonsense are outside the RCC.
If you are a Christian, then you are obligated to push openly for a turn to the Bible as the sole authority for faith and practice. Because of the hierarchy of the RCC, the Vatican is able to stubbornly resist, giving the erroneous view that the “church” is the basis for faith and practice when it is clear, from any reading of the New Testament, that only those who follow the teachings of the Apostles are truly followers of Jesus. Read the letters to the seven churches in the Book of Revelation (not surprising that the RCC almost never teaches on this valuable Book) and you will see that relying on humans to decide what is doctrinal teaching, is fraught with peril.
It is not surprising that the RCC forbade ordinary Roman Catholics to have the Scriptures for many centuries or that they martyred William Tyndale for daring to supply the Bible in the English language. I have a friend who was raised Roman Catholic and she developed a friendship with an evangelical Christian who urged her to begin reading the Bible cover-to-cover. When my friend did, she began to question much that she had been taught and went to her priest, who told her that she shouldn’t be reading the Bible as it would “just confuse” her. As she continued to read and study, she came to the conclusion that much of what she had been taught was in serious error. She and her husband, for a time, tried to stay within the RCC as “Charismatic Catholics” and started a Bible-study group. But they eventually left because they started to feel more and more uncomfortable there. May God bless you as you read His word.
The reason ISIS is doing this atrocity
Is the Europians are naive and became weak Obame is promoting
such an act by becoming silent he talk
Only when Israel retaliate in self defense to condemn .
He has shown his true identity
Dear danieljoseph1948
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Why is ISIL murdering thousands of migrants at high seas of Italy?
To enter Europe is impossible through Russia.
To enter Europe is impossible through Turkey.
To enter Europe through the naive Italians and other EU citizens are much easier.
To let the civil war among the Muslims and Jihad spill over into Europe, the Sosialist block in the European Union seems to be willing to knock down the borders. Like the NSDAP (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei) did in Europe from 1939 to 1945.
The Islamic-Nazi nexus is known.
Dear Ivar
All the early Churches you mentioned, Thomas Church in India, the Assyrian Church of the East, Coptic Church Egypt and the Ethiopian Christian Church share the same believes as the Catholic Church.
Believes such as:
1. Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist
2. Veneration and honour of Blessed Virgin Mary
3. Sacrament of Penance and Confession
4. Honouring of relics
5. Infant Baptism. For example from Thomas Church webpage faith and believes.
“The practice of infant baptism has been criticized by the protestant reformists. But a careful study of the scriptures support the practice of infant baptism.
6. All of the early churches recite the Hail Mary – even more than Catholics.
7. Mary the Mother of God – because as you have wrote yourself Jesus is God.
8. And more- – – –
One of the few differences is the Catholic Church has spread to about every single town and city throughout the world and language – just as Jesus Christ has commanded in the Gospels.
You are correct to say all these early Churches are Christian.
Even if the Catholic Church is not from the first century as you claim the believes are very close to the other early Christian Churches.
Am I correct to say that the Papacy is your biggest obstacle to accept the Catholic Church as Christians?
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Deception is a creepy thing. You simply duck the questions, and wants to debate something else.
You wrote:
All the early Churches you mentioned, Thomas Church in India, the Assyrian Church of the East, Coptic Church Egypt and the Ethiopian Christian Church share the same believes as the Catholic Church.
My reply:
This is a blunt lie. You present the theology of the breake away fractions of these Churches, who have walked into union with the papacy. A bid to falsify Church history.
The Thomas Church in India had to fight for its survival during the assult of Roman Catholics from Portugal around 1500 A.D. The Thomas Church was an apostilic Evangelical Church, who had never accepted the Pope in Rome, but was connected to synodes of the Church of the East for 1400 years.
On 3 January 1653, Archdeacon Thomas and representatives from the community met at the Church in Mattancherry to swear what would be known as the Coonan Cross Oath. The following oath was read aloud and the people touching a stone-cross repeated it loudly:
“By the Father, Son and Holy Spirit that henceforth we would not adhere to the Franks (Roman Catholics from Europe, my remarks), nor accept the faith of the Pope of Rome.
(end of the oat).
You are a religious person, and a liar.
Dear Ivar
You wrote:
You simply duck the questions, and wants to debate something else.
My reply:
Please show me where this has happened.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
By grace I write this message. I pointed out that Apostolic Evangelical Churches was formed 250 years before the formation of the Roman Catholic Church, and the papacy. You did not acknowledge this, but wrote about the theology of the breake away fractions of these Churches, which have walked back in union with the Pope in Rome.
The RCC contine to tell lies, and copy the lies into all kind of media. And the lies are told a million times.
1. Lie number one: The RCC is the oldest Church.
The truth is that the Papacy was establihed in 315 A.D, when the Roman Emperor claimed to have become a Christian. Several Churches existed before 315 A.D, and knew no Pope.
2. Lie number 2: The trinity is a RCC doctrine, copied by Evangelical Churches.
The truth Is: The trinity was accepted by all Evangelical Christians in the first A.D. It was accepted by the Thomas Church, the Assyrian Church of the East, the Coptic Church and the Armenian Church. All these Churces pre-dates the seat of the Papacy in Rome.
3. Lie number three: The Pope in the Roman Catholic Church is infaillible. He has been given deivine athority as the leader of the global Church, and all Christians shall accepet his dogmas and his “saints”.
The truth is: The Pope is a mortal man, an usurper of autority. The Holy Spirit has the authority as the lone representative of Jesus on Earth. He is available for all Chiristians who surrender and accept the Lordship of Jesus of the Bible. The Pope is a lawless man. He has set the Word of God aside. His “saints” are man made, and a fruit of systematic false doctrines about prayer for the dead, to the dead, and acceptance of false miracles.
And this is the end of our converstion. You have been told to leave.
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
Am I correct to say that the Papacy is your biggest obstacle to accept the Catholic Church as Christians?
My reply:
You write a question like you are ignorant of the dozens of articles written on this blog, expoising not-Christian Roman Catholic dogmas and doctrines?
Dear Ivar
May I add that all above mentioned early Christian Churches believe in the communion of Saints on earth and in Heaven.
That is asking the Saints on earth and Heaven to pray for is
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I understand. You are not her to listen and correct your ways, but to continue to spread Roman Catholic lies about Evangelical Apostolic Churches and present the Vatican fabrication of Church history. Do not write more messages. Your time is up.
Dear Ivar
I agree, there is no use debating this further. Especially when taking in account the many many theories regarding the Coonan Cross Oath without any documented proof. Theories from Mar Thoma Church to Anglican to Catholic to Reformers etc.
God Bless
Dear armorrcc
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Your last comment:
Especially when taking in account the many many theories regarding the Coonan Cross Oath without any documented proof.
My reply:
Yes, you said it. The Roman Catholic bishops arriving from Portugal burned all the books of the Thomas Christians in Kerala and Goa. The Thomas-priests who refused to bow before the clergy of the Pope and their “Queen of Heaven” faced the inquisition tribunal. Many were exceuted. The Inquisition in Portuguse Goa in India lasted for 252 years. From 1560 A.D to 1812 A.D. More than 16.000 people is known to have been rounded up, arrested, and persecuted.
Like the Nazis burned all the books of the Jews in Germany in 1933-34. The truth is painful. The acts of the Fascists never changes. Repent or perish.
Dear all readers.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I have spammed Armorrcc. So please do not reply to his latests comments.