Sleepy Joe and his killing vaccines

President Joe Biden finally turned out as the ultimate incompetent dictator. Trying to force Covid-19 vaccines on all Americans. A medical experimental drug that is more harmful that the virus it self.

President Joe Biden and the American version of Dr. Mengele push vacicnes and deaths.

Unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely than vaccinated people to die from Covid-19, a large study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found. The study looked at Covid-19 cases, hospitalizations and deaths in 13 states “and found further evidence of the power of vaccination,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said in a briefing Friday.About 54% of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated, according to the CDC.

Source: CNBC:

Fox News: Republicans explode with fury over Biden vaccine mandate: ‘Absolutely unconstitutional’
Biden’s new mandates affect an estimated 100 million Americans. Republican members of Congress and state governors were appalled by news Thursday that President Joe Biden will force employers with more than 100 workers to require coronavirus vaccinations or test employees weekly, vowing to block the new policy and terming it unconstitutional. The mandate, which is expected to affect as many as 100 million Americans in an array of jobs, including health care, directly impacts the private sector. “This is absolutely unconstitutional,” Rep. Thomas Massie, R-Ky, wrote in a tweet, attaching a link to the news.

Source: Fox News

My comment:

Plans of reducing the numbers of humans of Planet Earth, are nothing new. Hitler’s ideology demanded actions on those he considered to be not worthy of life. First and foremost the Jews, but also hundreds of thousands of European Gypsies. Destined for the gass chambers were also humans with disabilities that made them a burden for the rich and wealthy. Pogroms and mass murder’s of people have always been on sick peoples mind. From the Catholic inquisitions, pogroms of Jews in Medieval Europe. To Haman’s plot against the Jews found in the Book of Esther. Behind all his is Satan. He faced judgment during his rebellion in Heaven and was kicked out from the presence of God of the Bible. From his pits in the abyss, his only revenge against the Almighty is to dehumanise the human race. Make Tham spiritual slaves of the kingdom of darkness.

Covid-19 is the largest Satanic scam of them all. It is a larger danger to the Christian Civilisation than the 2 trillion USD spent to fuel the Taliban and the Global Jihad. While the Islamic carnage is not effecting the daily life of people in Europe and the USA, in their tens of thousands annually, people are being butchered in the Islamic World the moment they so not submit to the sons of Muhammed and their Sharia Law. What we now see is the Talibanization of the USA through Big Pharma and their goons. « Sleepy Joe » Biden being the leader of the pack.

That unvaccinted people are is 11 times more likely to face death than fully vaccinated people is a statistical lie. There is a well documented 99,88 per cent recovery rate from Covid-19 without vaccine. Thus number is not presented iin corrupt Western media. There have been many prophetic voices warning against the rise of Neo-Fascism, presented as goodness in the name of public hearth. What a shitty business behind billions of people’s surrender to the acts of Satan.

I have earlier compared the current vaccine drive to the years before the flood. There was only one man who refused to join the party, Noah and his closest relatives. Yeshua the Messiah has given us a stern warning. Just before His return we will face a disaster that is larger than the flood. Suddenly death and destruction will strike all ungodly people. When God of the Bible drowned his creation, it was a slow death. As millions got time try to run for cover, and up in the mountains. But as the water level increased, they could not escape clinging to the mountain tops. Many of those who took the Covid-19 vaccines, expressed multiple reasons for their actions. Under pressure, and now being forced out of their jobs to face starvation. The easiest way out was to accept the peace « sleepy Joe » and the World offered them. Not being willing to stand as the Old Testament witnesses of Chapter 11 in the letter to the Hebrews. Putting their faith in God, and waiting for their resurrection from the dead.

Hebrews 11:13-15:

13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth. 14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 Instead, they were longing for a better country—a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

Hebrews 11: 31-38

32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets, 33 who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies. 35 Women received back their dead, raised to life again. There were others who were tortured, refusing to be released so that they might gain an even better resurrection. 36 Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. 37 They were put to death by stoning;[e] they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— 38 the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground.39 These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40 since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

Where can we fetch inspiration in the New Testament?

I have learned a lot from Paul the Apostle. A bout his refusal to surrender to the evil ploys of the rulers, his hardship and suffering.

2 Corinthians 11: 23-27.

Are they servants of Christ? (I am out of my mind to talk like this.) I am more. I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24 Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was pelted with stones, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my fellow Jews, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false believers. I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked.

What about all who did not succeed like Paul, but faced martyrdom for their faith?

I have many time’s warned Christians, that they must continue to share the gospel, and rely on, trust and obey Yeshua the Messiah only. Up till their tome of more or less sudden death from their butchers, and departure to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Relevation: 6:9-11.

When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

Let us continue to resist Satan and all his followers. We know that soon the time will be up for these ungodly goons. If they do not repent, they will face eternity in the eternal fire of Hell. But you, keep on running the race, and be sure you will be granted your crown wen you are home in the kingdom of Heaven. Amen.

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25 thoughts on “Sleepy Joe and his killing vaccines

  1. You said, “He faced judgment during his rebellion in Heaven and was kicked out from the presence of God of the Bible. From his pits in the abyss, his only revenge against the Almighty is to dehumanise the human race.” comment: Satan has not been kicked our of heaven yet, he still has access accusing the brethren night and day. Satan and his angels are not kicked our until Revelation 12, this is the 3rd woe, and the 2nd half of the great tribulation. For a matter of fact the great tribulation has not even begun yet. Who is the anti-Christ if you believe such non sense. I agree with your assessment of the virus.

    1. Dear naomi 116.

      Shalom and love in Jesus.

      I love debates on the scriptures and sound doctrines. You know that. And surely we disagree. Your claim that satan has not been kicked out of Heaven yet, is wrong. It clearly goes against scriptue. Jesus saw satan faling down to earth like a star. The acient serpent appeard in the Garden of Eden. It it a serious error among pre-trib Pentacostal to read the Book of Revelation in a chronological manner. Since the rapture has not taken place yet, they claim that evertyhing after chapter 4 in this book tells us about the future. That is why many pentacostals are blind to events of World History, and do not understand our time and age. Neither do they recognize the CR-code and Green vaccine Passport as the Mark of the Devil (beast), in their hundreds ot thosands taking the mark, and pretend that nothing is wrong.

      Revelation 12:9 is en event of the past. It was already done long time before Jesus was crucified. 12:9 “The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him”. To think otherwise is in fact repulsive. To claim that Satan still has his seat, domain, in Heaven is a false doctrine. Satan stands defeated and condemed. To think otherwise is a blunt denial of the power of the cross at Calvary Hill. Jesus gained an eternal victory over satan, defeating the devil, when the Messiah died on the cross and ressurected after three days. This is the not revocable victory of the Messiah, which is also our victory. Satans domain is in the abyss. He is not in heaven, never again to return. At the end of the age the devil will be thrown into the eternal like of fire.

      Ps. The Pope in an antichrist. We do not have to look for someone else. The last and final antichrist will rule on behalf of his children, who are surrendering too, and worshipping (hailing it, using it throughout the day and promoting it to others) the CR-code system. Soon, very soon no one can buy or sell without it. Stay blessed sister.

      1. Good Morning,

        I am Pentecostal and was raised in a Pentecostal household (all Glory goes to Jesus!) and do believe that the Word of God does Satan was kicked out of heaven. The Holy Bible states it multiple times actually.

        Luke 10:18 And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

        2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

        Job 1:7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and from on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

        On the covid vaccine view, I do not believe that it is the actual mark of the beast. But I do believe that this has been set up so easily so when the mark of the beast does come, many will unfortunately take it without a second thought.

        God Bless,

        Gloria

  2. I am not a Pentecostal. I am a born again Bible believing Christian, a Bible student. I am not following so called prophets and apostles that they claim they are today. When I study the Bible I use the concordance online, and the Bible dictionary (Unger’s). We are currently studying the book of Revelation and I believe it is simple, it is orderly, it is future, and if you go to other scripture such as the book of Daniel, Ezekiel, Zechariah, Matthew, Mark, Luke, etc. it helps to understand the book of Revelation. You are completely wrong about the Pope being the anti-Christ that is the doctrine taught by Calvinist’s. Are you a Calvinist? If you are you should know that he was only 8 years old during the reformation, he was a clone or an exact copy of Augustine. All Calvin did is steal his doctrines from Augustine a Roman Catholic.

  3. 🤣

    This is what comes of personal interpretations. They are unauthoritative, & the disputes only serve to bring the matter to the forefront more forcefully. Neither of you had any authority in the least.

    2 Peter 1:20-21

    Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

    For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    And since the Holy Spirit is not the Author of confusion, but we do know who is, I think it safe to say that this all comes from him.

    Enjoy your fighting. That also comes from him as well.

    1. Iron sharpens Iron. “Iron sharpeneith iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.” Proverbs 27:17. Your quote of 2 Peter 1:20-21 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophesy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” and then Peter goes on to speak of false prophets in chapter 2. I believe he is saying the holy men of God are God’s prophets whom HE chose (in the Bible-in the Old Testament) and the apostles whom He chose (in the Bible, the New Testament) whom the Holy Spirit used to write scriptures. 1/3 of scripture is prophesy which foretold/foretells future events. Such as the coming of the Messiah, His death, burial and resurrection for the sin of the world, the church which was not taught in the O.T. that men and women who believe the gospel are part of the church who have the indwelling Holy Spirit which teaches us (John 16 says, “He” is the comforter, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness and judgment, of sin. When He, the Spirit of truth He will guide us into all truth, etc.). In 2 Peter Peter is warning of false teachers having not the Holy Spirit. For Ivar, Lot was vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked…and he was rescued with his family before Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed, in the same way will the church be rescued. (2 Pet. 2:6-9). Also so was Noah he and his family was rescued before the flood (2 Pet. 2:5-6). Jesus also said in Luke 17 how Lot and Noah were preserved but the rest destroyed. WHY WILL GOD DESTORY HIS CHURCH WHEN THEY ACCEPTED HIM IS SAVIOR? There is no judgment coming to those who love the Lord Jesus. The judgment is reserved for ungodly men.

      “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3:7 and “To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” Jude 1:15 and ” There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Romans 8:1. “He that believeth on Him is not condemened: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hat not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:19.

      1. “I believe he is saying..”

        That’s nice, but – that’s personal interpretation. Yours.

        But what does it actually say?

        How did the Church understand it?

        How do you know iron’s even sharpening iron here vs 2 people just having a match to show off?

  4. Dear sister.

    Shalom and love on Jesus.

    Revelation chapter 12. How can this be about the future?

    12 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”

    Is Jesus not yet born? Is he going to be born in the future to match your and others way of reading the book of Revelation?

    That the dragon (Satan) is going to appear in Heaven in the future, means that Satan will decened into Heaven. Because the devil is very much present among men on the Earth, his demons playing havoc in the minds and hearts of million of Roman Catholics and others. Jesus casted out these demons as he walked on Earth 2.000 years ago. After that the Messiah desended back to His thrown in Heaven. Where did these devils go? Did they follow Him? Or will they in the future decend into Hevaven?

    You need to repent, my dear sister. I am aware that a lot of the pre-tribbers read the book of Revelation in a chronological manner. The pre-tribe doctrine is a Jesuit Roman Caholic pill of poison, who some few hundred years ago were planted into the Reformerd Churches of Jesus. The pre-trib doctrine is widespread herarcy among pentacostals. Not all of course.
    Stay blessed.

    1. Now there was a day when the sons of God (ben=people) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also amoug them. And the LORD said, unto Satan Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said From going to and from in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” Job 1:6-7 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour. 1 Peter 5:8. Satan and his angels have access to heaven and access to earth at this time. Satan has not been cast out of heaven yet. In Revelation 12, you must needs to go to Genesis 37:9-10. The woman clothed with the sun is Israel and the crown with 12 stars are Jacobs’ brethren, she cried travailing in birth, we need to go to Isaiah 53:11 “He shall see the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities.” :SING, O barren, thou that didst no bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child; for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.” Is. 54:1. Jesus came out of Israel, (he is the man child) Satan was there trying to stop it, he is the one that possessed Judas. Israel has to go through the great tribulation and is in travail, she accepted not Messiah. Satan did not know the crucifixion of Jesus would be the saving of his people, if he had known it he would not have crucified the Lord of glory. “But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this would knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 1 Cor. 2:7-8. The mystery was the church and that the church would receive the Holy Spirit. Isaiah again says in chapter 28…”Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall into come unto us For we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a t red s tone, a precious corner stone a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.. Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with hell shall not stand; when the over flowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it. Is. 28:15-18. The great tribulation begins with Israel signing a peace agreement with anti-christ, and in the middle of the week 3 1/2 years later he will break that agreement. In Revelation 12 God has a remnant he will protect (Rev. 12:6) they will be protected for 3 1/2 years. in verse 7, “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, verse 8 “and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven,” verse 9 “And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH and his angels were cast out with him.”. Satan is not cast out of heaven yet, he still has access to heaven, anti-Christ has not made a peace treaty with Israel yet, the tribulation has not begun yet. Ivar you are the one who is wrong and need to repent that is change your mind because you were taught wrong and are teaching wrong.

  5. Catholics aren’t pretrib. Accusing them of being so doesn’t make it so.

    From Catholic Answers on “The Rapture”:

    “What’s the Catholic Position?
    As far as the millennium goes, we tend to agree with Augustine and, derivatively, with the amillennialists. The Catholic position has thus historically been “amillennial” (as has been the majority Christian position in general), though Catholics do not typically use this term. The Church has rejected the premillennial position, sometimes called “millenarianism” (see the Catechism of the Catholic Church 676). In the 1940s the Holy Office judged that premillennialism “cannot safely be taught,” though the Church has not dogmatically defined this issue.

    With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word “rapture” to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term “rapture” is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—”we will be caught up,” [Latin: rapiemur]).

    Spinning Wheels?
    Many spend much time looking for signs in the heavens and in the headlines. This is especially true of premillennialists, who anxiously await the tribulation because it will inaugurate the rapture and millennium.

    A more balanced perspective is given by Peter, who writes, “But do not ignore this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. . . . But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace” (2 Pet. 3:8–14).”

    1. I don’t care what the “Catholic” position is, that church is a cult. Though false teachers use the lie saying that the rapture came from the Catholic Church, all they are doing is parroting what someone else said, and it’s dumb. Usually the Calvinist’s! I don’t believe anything the The Roman Catholic Church says, they have a different jesus than the Jesus of the Bible. They have their own doctrines and they don’t come from the Bible. She is the whore of Babylon, “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT,THE MOTHER OF OF HARLOTS AND ABOINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:5 For a matter of fact Calvinism is a cult too!

      1. Well, why should I care what your position is?

        Yours is heretical – in historical – & mere opinion. Man’s tradition.

        Calling the Catholic Church a cult doesn’t make it so. Once again, that is your own opinion. You have yet to substantiate your claim.

      2. Good Afternoon,

        The catholic church is in fact a cult, the way the Catholics follow the Pope as if he weren’t just mere human like all of us. That is a fact. Praising statues, calling men like you and I who walked the earth “saints.” Complete blasphemy.

        2 Corinthians 11:13-15
        For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

        God Bless,

        Gloria

      3. Show me where in Scriptures we are explicitly informed that this is referring to the Catholic Church. As my Baptist brethren taught me long ago, if it’s not in the Scriptures, it’s UNscriptural.

        So show me – book, chapter, & verse where it says it is the Catholic Church.

      4. ashiraladonai,

        Let it be clear, this if for every religion (Catholics, Hindu, Islam, etc.) who bow down to a statue or a man and praise them.

        Leviticus 26:1 “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.

        Deuteronomy 4:15-18
        “Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.

  6. @Gloria

    Let’s take your points, one at a time.

    You stated that “The catholic church is in fact a cult, the way the Catholics follow the Pope as if he weren’t just mere human like all of us. That is a fact.”

    No, it is not a fact. Catholics simply recognize God’s appointed Chief Steward of His Household. If we are in fact citizens of the Kingdom, then Scripturally speaking, the King had appointed a Chief Steward over His Household – the Church.

    Define a cult.

    The word “cult” from the Latin word, “cultus”, which means “care”. In our current way of thinking, whenever anyone throws out the word “cult”, they usually mean bad or false religion – both ideas being very subjective without qualification – & usually intended to insult.

    The Catholic Church has sinners in it – even the Pope (Even Catholics don’t claim that the Pope is not capable of sin/impeccable to the Pope). So by that very fact, it’s gonna have its set of problems, but that applies to all faiths – even Protestant denominations. Does that make them cults as well since most originated by breaking off of the Catholic Church of from a church that had somewhere on down the line broken off from the Catholic Church or from some heretical faction?

    How do you define bad or false? How do you determine what a cult is? Usually the term is used accusatorily & derrogatorily as a form of insult.

    The Catholic Church follows Jesus Christ, God the Son, the 2nd Person of the Blessed Trinity. We believe that He, in turn, as King of kings, set in place a chief steward who oversees the Kingdom with great authority as given by Him. The model for this is Scriptural as from the OT to the NT: the kings of Israel would appoint someone to great authority to oversee the king’s household – such as Shebna in Isaiah 22.

    Many Protestants fail to realize that when Christ was speaking to St. Peter in Matthew 16:18-19 He was referring back to Isaiah 22 to the one appointed over the household of the king whom God was replacing – Shebna. In it we see that his replacement, Eliakim, would:

    (1) hold an office/position;

    (2) be clothed with Shebna’s royal robe and fastened with his sash around him and have Shebna’s authority handed over to him;

    (3) be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah;

    (4) have placed on his shoulder by God the key to the house of David – what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. (Where have we heard this before in the NT?)

    (5) be driven like a peg into a firm place; he will become a seat of honor for the house of his father (Ever heard of the Seat of Moses? How about the Holy See, which means Seat?)

    You also added “Praising statues, calling men like you and I who walked the earth “saints.” Complete blasphemy.”

    A statue/form of art representing a person is just that: a representation. Catholics don’t praise statues, but they do respect & venerate those who walked in Christ & live united to Him. That would apply to all Christians united to Him in faith, obedient to Him, & persevere in that walk with Him to the finish.

    The word “saint” comes from the Latin meaning “holy one.” All who follow Christ in baptism, in the anointing of the Holy Spirit, in communion with Him, obedient to Him, conformed to Him & ultimately perfected in Him, are saints – not because of anything we’ve done – but because He is holy, we, too, are holy. Those who’ve passed on live in & with Him in heaven. They live. Christ said it in John 11:25-26:

    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
    26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

    When Christ was transfigured & appeared with Moses & Elijah, they were speaking to Him. They had long since been gone, but yet, here they were speaking to Him about His coming death in Jerusalem. Christ living in the saints – they being in communion with Him as branches on the Vine, receiving their life from Him – are holy & are revered because they participate in His Divine Nature. It is eternal life – not eternal death.

    It isn’t blasphemy, but rather a recognition of God’s work in us & honoring His transforming power in them.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15 is here applied by you out of context with a complete lack of understanding for His power in His followers & without acknowledgment that we will be conformed to His likeness & will share in His glory in accordance with the Scriptures.

  7. ashiraladonai,

    You said: No, it is not a fact. Catholics simply recognize God’s appointed Chief Steward of His Household. If we are in fact citizens of the Kingdom, then Scripturally speaking, the King had appointed a Chief Steward over His Household – the Church.

    The meaning of cult: A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but do you not bow down to the pope, kiss his hand, pray to him as if he were a sinless man?

    You said: A statue/form of art representing a person is just that: a representation. Catholics don’t praise statues, but they do respect & venerate those who walked in Christ & live united to Him. That would apply to all Christians united to Him in faith, obedient to Him, & persevere in that walk with Him to the finish.

    Does not the catholic church ordain man as “saints” and then pray to them even in death, kissing there dead body parts as if they were praising them? Do you not pray to Mary when Mary was human just as you and I? Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

    The pope is not the chief of anything related to God. In FACT: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

    Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

    You can spin it any way you want, but what the catholic church does is complete blasphemy. And I suspect, you may be ingrained that deep that you will not recognize it for being wrong.
    Psalm 115:4-8 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear; noses, but do not smell. They have hands, but do not feel; feet, but do not walk; and they do not make a sound in their throat. Those who make them become like them; so do all who trust in them.

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Describes what the Pope is, a false prophet.

    I will pray for you and in the name of Jesus, may you see the truth in God’s word.

    God bless,

    Gloria

    1. You stated: “The meaning of cult: A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.”

      Correct me if I’m wrong, but do you not bow down to the pope, kiss his hand, pray to him as if he were a sinless man?

      I have never personally witnessed anyone bowing down to the Pope. That’s not to say that no one has ever done it, but I’ve never actually witnessed it. Kissing his hand, yes, I think I’ve seen that. If he is Christ’s vicar on earth, then he is basically like a Prime Minister. Think of Joseph in Egypt being second only to Pharaoh. Praying to him. Never observed it done, but I’m sure people have certainly asked for his prayers – just as any Protestant Christian would ask of their fellow brethren (saints) to pray for them.

      You asked: “Does not the catholic church ordain man as “saints” and then pray to them even in death, kissing there dead body parts as if they were praising them?”

      No, men are not ordained as saints – not in the same sense as one is ordained a pastor/minister. God makes saints (holy ones). I think maybe you’re thinking of canonization. This is from the USCCB on Saints:

      “All Christians are called to be saints. Saints are persons in heaven (officially canonized or not), who lived heroically virtuous lives, offered their life for others, or were martyred for the faith, and who are worthy of imitation.”

      On that note, some have lived more heroic/virtuous lives than others.

      Do Catholics ask for the intercession of their saints – whether alive or in heaven? Yes, they do. Like I said, they are united to Christ – as are all Christians in the faith. Christ said it Himself in John 11:25-26:

      25
      Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die;
      26
      and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

      Do you believe Him when He said this?

      If you think about it, God has done us an unimaginable honor. He has taken our lowly selves & raised our bodies up to the level of a sacred temple, coming to live in us. He makes us holy. The Church recognizes that holiness in us from Him. The body is therefore sacred. Christ’s body was sacred & was resurrected. In so doing, He is the New Adam. He united His Divinity with our fallen humanity & raised it up immortal. The Church, therefore, honors the human body as the image of God & His temple – the temple of the Holy Spirit. They aren’t praising the dead body parts; rather, they recognize God’s holiness in His saints. They saints reflect Him as His image.

      Catholics believe that in Christ we are all One Body. Scripture informs that believers in Christ are member of the Body of Christ – the Church. He is the Head. We are members of His Body. Death does not separate us from Him – nor from one another because in Him, we live. This is called the communion of saints. The saints on earth are not separated from those who have passed on. They remain united to Christ & to one another in him.

      This is exemplified during the Transfiguration when Moses & Elijah were witnessed by Sts. Peter, James, & John speaking to Jesus even though they had long since gone. They live in Him – united to Him. He is the Vine, & we are the branches on that Vine, receiving life from Him (See John 15).

      In Hebrews 12, we see the following:

      12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses

      In the Koine Greek, cloud of witnesses (νέφος μαρτύρων – nephos martyron) is a cloud of martyrs/witnesses.

      And this:
      22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

      23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

      24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

      In Revelation 5, we also see the following:

      8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

      Revelation 6:

      3Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne. 4The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God’s people, went up before God from the angel’s hand. 5Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

      Our guardian angels also intercede for us before God in Mt 18:10.

      In the Catholic Church, there are saints whose bodies have resisted decomposition. These are called the incorruptibles. Sometimes relics of saints are preserved – such as the blood of St. Januarius. The Church recognizes these as holy because they are united to Christ.

      You asked: “Do you not pray to Mary when Mary was human just as you and I?

      There is so much to be said about the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM). I’ll try to summarize here although I know it will likely be incomplete, & more questions will arise.

      Yes, she is human – a creature like us, but unlike us, she was full of grace & preserved from sin.

      In Luke 1, when the Angel Gabriel appeared to the Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM), in the Koine Greek, she is called Kecharitomene – meaning “full of grace” or “endowed with grace” or “highly favored”. The root word for Kecharitomene is charis – meaning grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, favor, gratitude, thanks, a favor, kindness. The form of the word used of the BVM is uniquely applied to her, indicative of this state of grace being set from her very beginning & continuing on to the present.

      We believe that she was in fact saved by God – but in a unique way – preserved from the stain of sin – not out of necessity – but by God’s election – to make her a fitting vessel to carry God the Son in her womb. He saved her before she was born to set her apart to carry the Messiah in her womb by giving her the grace of being immaculately conceived. Because she was so graced by God in fulfillment of her calling to be the Mother of God, she was preserved from the stain of original sin, & lived a sinless life.

      She, too, like all Christians united to Christ, is part of the communion of saints.

      You reminded the Scripture informs of the following: “Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.”

      However, you neglected to remind also that God commanded Moses to fashion images of the cherubim to be placed atop of the Ark of the Covenant. What are cherubim? Angels. So why did He command that images not be made in the likenesses specified in the 10 Commandments yet command that images of the cherubim be made? What was the difference?

      Why also did He command Moses to fashion the bronze serpent when people were being bitten by seraphs? Doesn’t this contradict the commandment against images? What was the difference?

      You stated that “…The pope is not the chief of anything related to God. In FACT: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

      Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.”

      In the OT, we see examples of people called father who are in fact fathers. Do you question that?

      There are people in the OT who are called father who are spiritual leaders – such as Elijah when Elisha cried out at his assumption into heave in the chariot of fire. Eliakim in Isaiah 22 also comes to mind.

      Catholics agree that Jesus did say call no man father, but we do not believe that command to be absolutely all encompassing as our Protestant brethren believe. Were that the case, it has to be explained why the NT writers didn’t follow that prohibition in their writings. For example, in Acts 7:2, people were not prohibited from calling their ancestors fathers. In Romans 9:10 St. Paul refers to Isaac as our father. It’s not just father though that Christ had prohibited: in that same list, the titles of rabbi, teacher, or master is also included. In Matthew 28:19–20, Christ commands the Apostles to teach all that He’d taught them. Was He being contradictory?

      The following verses indicate that people were still called of God to serve in certain capacities & they didn’t violate Christ’s command to call no man father/teacher/etc.

      1 Tim. 2:7
      2 Tim. 1:11
      1 Cor. 12:28
      Eph. 4:11

      “Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ” (1 Cor. 4:17);

      “To Timothy, my true child in the faith: grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (1 Tim. 1:2);

      “To Timothy, my beloved child: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord” (2 Tim. 1:2).

      “This charge I commit to you, Timothy, my son, in accordance with the prophetic utterances which pointed to you, that inspired by them you may wage the good warfare” (1 Tim 1:18);

      “You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1);

      “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a father he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

      “To Titus, my true child in a common faith: grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior” (Titus 1:4);

      “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).

      And this:

      “I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14–15)

      Was St. Paul wrong in calling himself father?

      From Catholic Answers on “Call No Man ‘Father'”:

      “Jesus is not forbidding us to call men “fathers” who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.

      As the apostolic example shows, some individuals genuinely do have a spiritual fatherhood, meaning that they can be referred to as spiritual fathers. What must not be done is to confuse their form of spiritual paternity with that of God. Ultimately, God is our supreme protector, provider, and instructor. Correspondingly, it is wrong to view any individual other than God as having these roles.”

      You judged in saying “You can spin it any way you want, but what the catholic church does is complete blasphemy. And I suspect, you may be ingrained that deep that you will not recognize it for being wrong.”

      To spin means to cause to have a particular bias. I am not spinning. I am speaking the truth.

      Blasphemy means the following according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary Online:

      * the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God;

      * the act of claiming the attributes of a deity.

      I have not done any of this. All I’ve done is explained the Catholic position. I love My Lord.

      In Christ we will one day be immortal. That is Scriptural – not blasphemous. Read 1 Cor 15 if you doubt. We are being conformed to His image. He has done us an unfathomable honor that people don’t even realize.

      For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. (Romans 8:29)

      You cited: “Psalm 115:4-8 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear; noses, but do not smell. They have hands, but do not feel; feet, but do not walk; and they do not make a sound in their throat. Those who make them become like them; so do all who trust in them.”

      Great, but the Catholic Church’s statues are not idols any more than your photos of family members living or deceased are. We honor them because they honored God, & we are united to them in Christ in ONE BODY with Christ as the Head.

      2 Corinthians 11:13-15 applied to false prophets – the Pope is no false prophet, but Christ’s representative on earth with earthly & heavenly authority granted him by Christ. Try again.

      1. ashiraladonai,

        You wrote many this in your way to convince me that what Catholics do are not wrong. Kissing the Pope’s hand bowing down to him is wrong. There are many articles on this very site where Ivar has shown pics of the way the embellish their dead, so their believers can still praise them in death. It is a horrendous thing to do!

        Isaiah 8:19-22 And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. They will pass through the land, greatly distressed and hungry. And when they are hungry, they will be enraged and will speak contemptuously against their king and their God, and turn their faces upward. And they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish. And they will be thrust into thick darkness.

        You said: We believe that she was in fact saved by God – but in a unique way – preserved from the stain of sin – not out of necessity – but by God’s election – to make her a fitting vessel to carry God the Son in her womb. He saved her before she was born to set her apart to carry the Messiah in her womb by giving her the grace of being immaculately conceived. Because she was so graced by God in fulfillment of her calling to be the Mother of God, she was preserved from the stain of original sin, & lived a sinless life.

        My answer: Jesus was the only human without sin. THE ONLY HUMAN. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

        Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

        The immaculate conception doctrine is false and was created by the roman catholic church. 1 John 1:8–10
        8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us

        God Bless,

        Gloria

  8. @Gloria

    You cited the following:

    Deuteronomy 4:15-18
    “Therefore watch yourselves very carefully. Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a carved image for yourselves, in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female, the likeness of any animal that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the water under the earth.

    Now cite from the NT – from Hebrews 12:

    18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,

    19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:

    20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:

    21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

    22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

    23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

    24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

    25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

    26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

    27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

    28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

    29 For our God is a consuming fire.

    Read Colossians 1:15. He is the image of the invisible God. The word in Koine Greek for image is εἰκών (eikon), meaning an image, statue, representation, likeness, bust. That same word is used of us in Romans 8:29 in being conformed to His image.

    1. ashiraladonai,

      Yes, I did cite that verse. And it’s a perfect portrayal of Catholics, Hindus, Islam, praying to false gods and following false prophets.

      I admit was confused as to your citing of Hebrew 12 in relation to false gods and prophets. But Hebrews 12 begins with this
      “Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.”

      So it is said let us thrown away everything that hinders us and let us race towards our Savior Jesus Christ.

      God Bless,

      Gloria

      1. It says since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses (crowd of witnesses/martyrs in the Koine Greek), where one precedes the other & supports those running the race. Unless you believe the members of the Body are unnecessary, which would contradict your own Scriptures from 1 Cor 12.

  9. @Gloria

    G: “You wrote many this in your way to convince me that what Catholics do are not wrong. Kissing the Pope’s hand bowing down to him is wrong.”

    You have a right to your opinion, but on what basis do you think respect shown to him is wrong?

    Is it wrong to bow to a king or queen? He is in fact a head of state – Christ’s vicar on earth. It stands to reason that as the Lord’s Chief Steward, he would be honored. I am aware that the Apostles mostly lived humble lives, but they also were wanted men in times of persecution, & they gave up their lives for the sake of the Cross.

    G: “There are many articles on this very site where Ivar has shown pics of the way the embellish their dead, so their believers can still praise them in death. It is a horrendous thing to do!”

    Perhaps by current standards they would be viewed as odd, but their bodies are treated with respect as the temples of the Holy Spirit that they were in life. They’re honored – not worshipped. There is a difference.

    G: “Isaiah 8:19-22 And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living? To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn. They will pass through the land, greatly distressed and hungry. And when they are hungry, they will be enraged and will speak contemptuously against their king and their God, and turn their faces upward. And they will look to the earth, but behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish. And they will be thrust into thick darkness.”

    This is a misquote. No necromancers or mediums or the like are being called. There is a difference in trying to summon the dead or demons for selfish gain or power, but since Christ Himself showed that those who awaited His Coming still live – & He even spoke to them before witnesses, He showed that we are not separated from them when in communion with Him. We are One Body in Christ.

    G: “You said: We believe that she was in fact saved by God – but in a unique way – preserved from the stain of sin – not out of necessity – but by God’s election – to make her a fitting vessel to carry God the Son in her womb. He saved her before she was born to set her apart to carry the Messiah in her womb by giving her the grace of being immaculately conceived. Because she was so graced by God in fulfillment of her calling to be the Mother of God, she was preserved from the stain of original sin, & lived a sinless life.

    My answer: Jesus was the only human without sin. THE ONLY HUMAN. 2 Corinthians 5:21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.”

    When babies die before birth, have they committed sin?

    When Enoch walked with God, & God took him, & he was no more, had he sinned?

    How about Elijah being translated into heaven – did he sin?

    The Scriptures inform that nothing impure (meaning sinful) can enter heaven. What then does that mean for those who’d entered above?

    G: “Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,”

    Does that include or exclude Christ? If excluded, then clearly all is a generalization rather than an absolute.

    G: “The immaculate conception doctrine is false and was created by the roman catholic church. 1 John 1:8–10
    8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us”

    If it is false, you’ll have to explain how that applies to the above examples. The Scriptures you claim to follow speak of her as Kecharitomene in Luke 1:28. The Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:15 speaks of her coming as well as Christ’s. Your own Scriptures refer to her as the mother of God in Lk 1:43.

    1. Good Morning,

      You state: You have a right to your opinion, but on what basis do you think respect shown to him is wrong?

      My response: The pope is like you and I, a sinner in need of salvation through Jesus Christ Our Savior. When I have gone to church, I have never kneeled before my pastor and kissed his hand. I have never thought that my pastor would be able to heal me. I have however, kneeled before Christ, I have bowed before Jesus. There is quite a difference. For only Jesus Christ is worthy of any and all praise.

      You state: Is it wrong to bow to a king or queen? He is in fact a head of state – Christ’s vicar on earth. It stands to reason that as the Lord’s Chief Steward, he would be honored.

      My response: And I’ll say it again, the pope is a sinner in need of salvation. He is not the Lord’s anything.

      As to the rest of your questions, I’m baffled how many take the scripture to suite their own beliefs. 2 TIMOTHY 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts.

      I’m not sure what you comparing babies to the pope is. The pope is clearly a man like you and I who needs the Lord. Twisting verses to show that the pope is a sinless man will be your downfall. Following a man will be anyone’s downfall.

      For Christ states

      John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

      Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

      1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

      1. G: “The pope is like you and I, a sinner in need of salvation through Jesus Christ Our Savior. When I have gone to church, I have never kneeled before my pastor and kissed his hand. I have never thought that my pastor would be able to heal me. I have however, kneeled before Christ, I have bowed before Jesus. There is quite a difference. For only Jesus Christ is worthy of any and all praise.”
        Yes, but respectfully your pastor isn’t in the lineage of apostolic succession either.

        Not even the Pope claims to be without sin. He goes to Confession just like anyone else in the Church in need of forgiveness. In the past all one had to do was lay their sick in the shadow of St. Peter, & they would be healed. I’ve never heard of a pope having the gift of healing, but I don’t doubt they have the Lord’s ear in a way perhaps that we might not as His Chief Steward.

        It is my understanding that while historically some popes have been very formal, Pope Francis has been less so. It seems to vary with each pope how formal a protocol.

        G: And I’ll say it again, the pope is a sinner in need of salvation. He is not the Lord’s anything.

        I disagree. In Acts 1:12-26, after Judas was dead, the Apostles all prayerfully considered another who would take his place.

        From the KJV: 20For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

        Some translations have rendered “ ἐπισκοπή” as “leadership” or “position”, however in the Greek, it reads “episkopé” (“ ἐπισκοπή”) meaning “visiting, an overseeing” – in other words, Judas was a bishop – who was being replaced by another to succeed him in his Apostolic calling as a bishop – even though he had fallen.

        G: “As to the rest of your questions, I’m baffled how many take the scripture to suite their own beliefs. 2 TIMOTHY 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts.”

        I agree – but not on Catholic’s part.

        I’m not sure what you comparing babies to the pope is. The pope is clearly a man like you and I who needs the Lord. Twisting verses to show that the pope is a sinless man will be your downfall. Following a man will be anyone’s downfall.

        I never said he was sinless. That’s not what infallibility means, nor is that how it’s understood among Catholics. I’m not twisting Scripture. Try again, please.

        G: “For Christ states

        John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

        Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

        1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,”

        Amen. Catholics believe this.

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