If you ever visit Macao, you are invited to venerate or adore the right arm of Francis Xavier, a priest from Spain.
The debate on the difference of worship of idols is a frequent issue on New That Matters. The Roman Catholic Church claim that they do not worship idols, but admit that the Vatican promotes adoration and veneration of relics, even bones.
The reader might ask:
What is the difference between worship, adoration and veneration?
The Bible does not make any distinction between these three words. Forget of adoring images or idols in the name of “god”. God of the Bible does not want his followers to even make such items, and claim created things to be “holy”.
Neither does God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit want people to bow down in front of them.
Exodus 20:3-5
“You shall have no other gods before me.“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.
In the King James version the words “adore” or “Venerate” is not mentioned at all. In the NIV, the word “adore” appears once.
Worship is mentioned 188 times in the King James version. In the NIV, 254 times.
So the Roman Catholic explanation about a difference between the three words, are based on human wisdom and man-made doctrines.
This is the official version about the adoration and veneration, or shall we say worship of the bone in Macao.
Another place that we visited in Macao was the chapel of St. Joseph’s seminary, where a relic of St. Francis Xavier’s right arm is venerated (the other half is at the Church of the Gesù in Rome).
There are also other interesting pictures of Roman Catholics bowing down to and kissing relics.
One of the most obvious evidence of wrongdoing, is a Cardinal bowing before a box with a relic. This is a photo of what the Roman Catholic Church claims is a “holy man”. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor venerates the relics of St Therese of Lisieux.”
Source of this photo.
There is not much we can do with men like Cardinal O’Connor. He seems to be a cursed man, who will refuse to repent from his worship, adoration and veneration of created things in the name of “god”. But you do not have to follow His example. Please repent, or you too will perish.
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Revelation 22:14-16
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Written by Ivar
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These people are silly.
Who is silly? Pray for the Catholic people. They need our prayers. I was also a Catholic who kissed relics. But Jesus in His mercy opened my eyes. Love is the key to evangelization. Calling people silly will never work. Being a witness to His love and an extension of His Grace is key.
All veneration, relics, statues and the like are well noted in the Bible. I would recommend the book “The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith” by John Slaza. I am sorry that you left the Catholic Church, but remember that you take a grand step into the dark believing that you are right and all of Catholicism is wrong. Consider for a moment your end. If what you are saying is true…God loves and will then forgive as all other Christian believers say (Baptists, Christ Believers, etc.). But, if Catholicism is right…anyone outside the Catholic Church are damned. Consider seriously what risk you take and then go and search out the answers. Pray the Rosary.
Dear Fred.
Shalom.
You wrote:
God loves and will then forgive as all other Christian believers say (Baptists, Christ Believers, etc.). But, if Catholicism is right…anyone outside the Catholic Church are damned.
My reply:
You comment is common among religious people, a normal misunderstanding, based on human philosophy. Please use and quote the Bible. ALL have sinned (Baptists, Christ believers, Catholics, etc) and fallen short of the glory of God. And the wage for sin is death.
All human beings are on their way to Hell, without failure.
There is only one solution. A GREAT ONE. There is only one mediator, who can save us. Jesus the Messiah. If you want to live, you have to beg Him for mercy and stay faithful to His teachings.
What is the problem?
In all camps of Christianity, people do not fear God. In the Roman Catholic religion, extreme mockery of God takes place every day. In fact, in every Roman Catholic mass.
If the glass is half full, then it is half empty, without saying. And, if God will do for those who cannot do for themselves, then there was no need to mention that he will not do for those who can do for themselves. We are lazy and abusive to the idea of religion. We are taught consequences for everything. If there is a God, I want him to know, religion or not, I can do for myself. If there is no God, we still need to do for ourselves and stop depending on churches, governments and other people to carry us in life. We have legs to get there and hands to do it with. Stop throwing your hands up in irresponsibility and saying God will take care of it! That is not in any Bible or belief. That is a crutch to escape the consequences threatened to you.
If I were God, I would have started everyone off in Heaven and let the world be my best work. I would not have let man determine what my words mean. I would have made it instinct. I would not have allowed evil be equal to me, especially in the works of an angel who worked to destroy what I created. I would have crushed him to save my children. I would not let my children worship another being; man behind a pulpit, statue, picture, etc. No. Instead, I would have been a father to all, and not an unseen dictator
Thanks for posting this with great pictures for visual proof of what happens in the Catholic Church and what is pretty much expected of a “good” Catholic.
(Psalms 115:3-8) “But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. {4} Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. {5} They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: {6} They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: {7} They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. {8} They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.”
I pray that such stark truth of what happens in the Catholic Church will be enough to open their eyes. I’m sure most of them are sure they are serving God. However, the Bible will get them “Wisdom that will save them from the ways of wicked men whose paths are crooked and who are devious in their ways(Proverbs 2:12 & 15)”.
Dear Benleem
Shalom.
You wrote:
I’m sure most of them (Catholics) are sure they are serving God….
My reply:
A man can not serve God as He pleases. We have to do what pleases God. The Roman Catholics mock the World of God. Their service for “god” is based on falsehood, being deceived by their priests and bishops.
What can we do?
Ephesians 5:11
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
Catholics who have been converted into Christianity, have most likely encountered people who have told them the truth, and challenged them to read the Bible. When you read the Bible you have no longer any excuse for doing what God hates.
I can confirm that my conversion from catholicism to Christianity was 1)witnessing believers’ sincere & constant acts of love to their fellow man, & 2) hearing the good news of the gospel.
Tradition, with a capital T, is drilled into a catholic’s head. There is a small sliver of hope in that we are taught about God’s Word. There is so little emphasis placed on It.
So glad that you got converted Kay,
Its always encouraging when that happens..
perhaps you could witness to other catholics on here, concerning their false beliefs etc..
??
Question: Do you understand the difference between Christianity and Catholicism?
Question #2: What do Christians believe?\
Catholics follow priests and bishops because they are successors of the Apostles. Christians follow pastors or regular men who have studied Theology and now consider themselves representatives of Christ. Do they all teach the same doctrine? No, they do not. Moreover, any other religion has begun after the Protestant Revolution. You should check up on the historical background of whatever religion you are in and take a look at all the arguments contrary to your religion. Consider your end when you choose. All Christian religions express that idea that all will be saved because God is merciful, but Catholicism teaches that anyone outside the Catholic Faith will be damned for eternity. If you are right…all will be well…..if you are wrong, you will be damned for eternity.
.Pray the rosary.
Dear Fred.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Catholics follow priests and bishops because they are successors of the Apostles. Christians follow pastors or regular men who have studied Theology and now consider themselves representatives of Christ.
My comment:
Lies, lies, and nothing but damnable lies.
1. The First Church was a Church of Messianic Jews. It was located in the Jewish districts of Judea and Samaria.
2. The first Church was founded when the people of Rome still worshiped Jupiter and Venus, and all the starry hosts. Thousands of pagan “gods” and saints.
3. The Roman Catholic Church was founded in and around 315 A.D. Ten generations after the formation of of the Church of Messianic Jews.
4. The Thomas Church in India was formed in 50-60 A.D. It is two hundred and fifty years older than the Roman Catholic Church. The Thomas Church in India knew no Pope, and did not accept the Papacy in Rome before the criminals from Portugal entered the Indian ocean in 1500 A.D. The Thomas Church was than captive by Roman Catholics who robbed, looted and killed.
Shame on all who believe in and distribute the lies of the Vatican.
(Psalms 115:3-8) “But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. {4} Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. {5} They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: {6} They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: {7} They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. {8} They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.”
People that are used to bowing down and praying before people or things probably won’t have a problem with this. All they need is a little deception.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
The image of the beast is will really give them something to worship.
That’s ridiculous! How many false doctrines has R. C. church been preaching and teaching that lead its people astray? Faith comes from listening to God’s words, not men’s!
If you want to debate about what Catholics believe, please visit this debate group in Facebook:
https://www.
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get over yourself mister.
You are a tad presumptuous aren’t you,?
You cannot justify the behavior in that photo from the Bible.
I have shared with roman catholics on facebook before, and because they did not like what i was saying, they found a way to get myprofile deleted/blocked from my using it.
We Catholic apologists will be waiting for you…
… if you are knowledgable enough to debate.
I am more than knowledgable, as well as many others here, to debate Catholic doctrine but my experience is generally the same with apologists. So, I’ve learned to follow the Bible.
2Ti 2:14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.
Tit 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Tit 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
My best times in witnessing the truth of the Bible were with souls that have ears to hear and a heart touched by God to receive the gospel. My worst times were with the debaters.
get over yourself mister.
You are a tad presumptuous aren’t you,?
You cannot justify the behavior in that photo from the Bible.??
(Psalms 115:3-8) “But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. {4} Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. {5} They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: {6} They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: {7} They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. {8} They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.”
I wonder if those young people in the photograph, actually feel silly or stupid, or realize the ridiculousness of what they are doing etc..
It is so obvious that they are worshiping a so called relic.
Jer 10:8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
I have tried witnessing to roman catholics on facebook, all they do is try and get your profile deleted or blocked, when they dont like what you are telling them !!!
every body make me laugh…hehheheheheh the pharisian and the collector was praying………………………………………………………….
leave to God what belong to Him
who are you you who judges your brother….????
am not expert in bible but i think that these 2 thinks i wrote contains in It……watch out our words……….
(Psalms 115:3-8) “But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. {4} Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. {5} They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: {6} They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: {7} They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. {8} They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.”
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I am grieved that I was raised in the Roman church teaching this crap from an early childhood to adult. I know how hard it is to break away from their false teaching, but I must quote Scripture regarding the kissing of dead body parts, as it is written, “hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.” Jude 1:23. So much for giving honor to any flesh and body parts…it is clear we are even to hate the clothing that has touched the flesh so how much more should we hate the flesh! AMEN.
Just seeing this picture of the police office kissing the Monstrance and thinking it is Jesus’s body is nothing short of God’s strong delusion that Catholics and some protestant religions are under.
As Paul teaches in 2Thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. The Eucharist Jeezeus is satans spiritual warfare tool and his greatest LIE on earth.
With God’s grace will he guide Catholics to Repentance from this pagan blasphemy. Catholics need to seek and read the truth in HIS Word, the Holy Spirit will lift the delusion like a veil clouding their vision. Once they have the Holy Spirit guiding them, ALL truths in life will be shown to them. Act’s 2:38.
Latria
Dulia
Hyperdulia
You must know those words.
Viva Romano Catolico Apostolico Romano
Viva Cristo Rei