The Catholic Church claims gospel writer Luke painted her. She is venerated in Poland, in Haiti and within Voodoo. The late Pope bowed down to her son in Angola.
One of the readers of this blog, challenged me to write an article about the witches in the service of the Pope.
Rather: This relationship in the occult realm is the opposite. The Pontiffs are in the service of the witches.
In Poland she is named “Our Lady of Czestochowa”.
The Roman Catholic Church says the original image was discovered by some monks in the city of Nazareth, and first brought to Constantinople. The myth is that the gospel writer Luke painted her.
Here is a video-link to the official Catholic version of history:
We can not completely rule out that Luke might have been color blind.
But who can not see the difference between black and white?
The Jewish Mother of Jesus could not have been like a chameleon, changing her colors like the Vatican claim. Either she was white, or she was black.
Since the Catholic Church has both black and white copies of the Jewish mother of Jesus, we can conclude that someone has bewitched the Papal system. And since the Black Madonna looks like an African, she was quite surely: An African.
Through the ages, many black people in Africa has indulged them selves in venerating, adoring and worshiping Voodoo witches.
When the Western Africans were transported as slaves across the Atlantic, they took their Voodoo religion with them. In the Voodoo heartland of Haiti, the Catholic’s have another version of the origin of the Lady of Czestochowa. The image is not from Jerusalem. The image was “discovered” in 1802 on Haiti by Catholic monks of Polish origin, and taken to Poland.
Not only on Haiti, but in the whole region, the first Catholic converts from Voodoo venerated the Black Madonna as “Santa Barbara Africana”. Her origin is marked by two cuts on the left side of her face.
What is the explanation behind these two cuts in face of these ladies?
The backstory to the painting in Voodoo lore is of a mother fiercely protective of the daughter (not son) she carries. She loves knives and received the facial scars fighting with her sister Erzulie Freda. The scars are a sign of Dantor’s strength: She is wounded but keeps going.
The story goes that she is the pagan goddess “Erzulie Dantor”, who the local Papal system claim converted to Catholicism. She was a witch that originated from the African state of Benin. The name of the ancient African nations was “Dahomey”. This statehood was founded in the seventeenth century, and survived until 1894. From 1894 until 1960 Dahomey was a part of French West Africa.
It is quite logic, that the Catholics in France brought with them home the Black Madonna from Africa. Do not forget that Haiti also was a French colony. Take a look at the black “Lady” from the French city of Guingamp.
Another “Lady” Madonna from France, obviously brought from Africa.
And a Black Catholic Madonna hosted in Paris it self.
There are 29 Black Madonnas in different Roman Catholic Churches, just in France.
The Black Madonna of Haiti and Dahomey also has a copy-cat sister in the City of Barcelona in Spain. Her name is our “Lady of Monserrate”.
Interestingly enough, Rome claim that also the statue of the Black Virgin of Montserrat was carved by Gospel writer Luke around 50 AD and brought to Spain. We are told by the Vatican, that not only was Luke a good painter, supposed to have painted “Our Lady of Czestochowa”. He also made statues. The challenge is that this statue went missing during Muslim rule in Spain. It was supposedly rediscovered by the Roman Catholics around 880 AD in a cave in Spain.
Who is ready to believe all this non sense?
And I tell you, this paganism presented as “Christianity”, gets even more spicy…
The Catholic Black Madonna do have a Son. He is also black. But her son do not seek refuge in Israel, or is worshiped in the Middle East. One of the black sons are located in Mexico. There he is worshiped as “The Lord of Esquipulas”
The late Polish Pope visited the image of the Black Madonna in Poland:
One of her black sons is located in Angola. The late Pope John Paul II paid him a visit in June 1992. This picture is published on page 222, on Reader’s Digest’s complete biography of the Polish Pope. ISBN 0-7621-0657-3.
And what should have made all Catholics shake their head in horror:
The Pope bowed his head and worshiped the “black Messiah” of Angola.
First published: July 17th 2010.
Written by Ivar
ivarfjeld.com 
I don’t think he was deceived (ref. your subtitle of the last picture), after all he was a war-criminal spending WWII selling Zyklon-B to German Death Camps in Poland. Furthermore he was a pederast and a pedophile, and quite possible homosexual too.
Dear Lars-Toralf.
Shalom, and love in Jesus the Messiah.
There are a lot of war criminals, and even pedophiles that do not believe there is a God, and reject that there ever was a Jesus walking on Earth. So there is no link between such crimes and Christianity. I am also a saved wreck, that have done horrible things in the past.
I have tried to expose the paganism that Pope John Paul II have made millions of Catholics believe is true Christianity. That is the tragedy of our times. Even Pentecostal Christian leaders now except Rome as a center of true faith.
I feel the Pope must truly have believed this “Messiah” could save him. Otherwise, he would not have bowed His head in Angola.
Of course he believed he was saved. But that doesn’t mean he was deceived. To be deceived one must first be of the truth, and he never was.
Dear Lars-Toralf.
Shalom.
I do not think that is a valid definition of deception. The elect was only going to be deceived, if possible. Many people who have never heard the Gospel, starts their “Christian” life following deceivers. Later on, when they read the Bible, they understand, and leave the false teachers.
Are you saying that you do not believe that the pope ever read the Bible then? Of course reading the Bible and studying thyself approved are 2 different things. I believe that he served his master, yet he chose the wrong one. I believe from the scriptures that there are those who “purposely” mislead the masses who blindly follow them on to the wide road to destruction. The current pope Benedict included.
I am glad you accepted the challenge and presented this article which is both informative and eye opening and SHOULD be of great interest to all.It adds Great insight to the Apostles statement ‘who has ‘Bewitched’ you written to those that were ‘fooled’ to which he stayed and strengthened them in the truth that they be not decieved.
Cleary the ‘the roman church’ of that time was the great counterfit and has not changed but indeed only gotten worse as is the same roman structured government now working to ‘take over America’ by deception and controlling spirit of witchcraft to which I rebuke, refuse and reject the works of deception and acts of control of Gods own People and this nation in Christ Jesus Name, So Be It, Be It So and It Is So Amen.
To my knowledge, no one has ever presented this information to the public before and while I am sure there are many that do and will reject this liberating truth of facts Father God has made known through you, there are many appointed to recieve the truth and turn to Father God in Christ Jesus Name and none other.I Pray Father God Divinely Bless, Protect and Deliver you from all attempts of evil against you and yours for the revelation of truth and facts that exposes the enemy.
You have been in the service of Truth and liberation of the souls of many and Blessed to do so.
Thank you and God Bless you and yours and all those liberated by truth in all things and all ways at all times by The Blood of The Lamb of Almighty and Most High God, The Authority of The Word Of God and the words of our testimonies The enemy WILL Be DESTROYED and So Be It, Be It So and It IS So Amen and Amen
Dear Gracie
Shalom, and love in Jesus the Messiah.
Thanks for blessing me. It is rather Holy Spirit lead, that I just turned on BBC News, and saw a 3 minutes feature of the Voodoo pilgrimage from Haiti.
Take a look at this link: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gBtAjZ4XNUSFYpr4sy-fhLbNYtwwD9H0FTO80
Dear Gracie, and all readers.
Shalom.
If you google the name “Ezili Danto”, you will get up this image. It looks like this African Madonna also have birthed the Arabic prophet Muhammad. Just take a look.
Dear readers.
This link to Miami Herald in 2003, is also worth reading.
http://www.wehaitians.com/haitians%20seek%20saint%20and%20spirit%20pilgrimage%20blends%20vodou%20catholic%20rites.html
It includes information that confirms that it was the Roman Catholic Church that gave in towards voodoo. Not the opposite.
The journalist also have a sub-tittle that gives a hint.
BATHERS POSSESSED
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
There is a very good video in yesterdays Miami Herald on the Catholic-Voodoo mix in Haiti. In this video you can clearly see a possessed woman. The classic popping out of the eyes.
Take a look.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/16/1734541_p2/haitians-find-hope-healing-at.html
Jesus was from the tribe of Judah if you go the genealogy of Jesus listed in the 1st. chapter of Matt. you will find it is the only place in the bible where women are mention in genealogy. There you will find Tamar, Rahab, Ruth and the wife of Uriah the Hittie, All three of these women are in the blood line of Noah’s son Black Ham through Canaan. So Jesus and his mother would have been black.
Sorry: four women
One of your best, read every word of it.
Dear, Ivar,
What did you mean by “Even Pentecostal Christian leaders now except Rome as a center of true faith.”? This is the first time I’ve heard of it.
Dear Mirjana
Shalom.
You will be surprised if you look at the Inter Faith movement. There are Pentecostal leaders that seeks end time unity in the “Church” and promote Rome as true Christianity.
Ivar is absolutely right here, there are a lot of Christian preachers who have been deceived into thinking that “unity” means to be “in accord on the outside”, when it really means being “in one accord on the central truths”. Culture will always have different expressions, and there is nothing wrong with it.
2 Timothy 3:13
While evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
I wasn’t aware of some of the material that you wrote about so I want to just say thank you.
Superior post. Many thanks!
I was born and grew up in Trinidad in the West Indies too and in fact have much family still there and unsaved. This info is spot on. And would also be going on in my own country.Well done. I hope by now you have all seen about the Trinidad Devil incidents?
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Mass_hysteria__not_demon_attack__say_mental_health_experts-107376843.html
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/news/Moruga_school_holds_emergency_service_-107376848.html
http://guardian.co.tt/news/general/2010/11/12/second-batch-students-falls-ill
Please continue Brother in such research.
melanie
I am from the Philippines. The black image is simple “branding” strategy of the Catholic Church to generate income. Yet, it promotes survival and poverty mindset. It also violates the commandment of God not to engage in idolatry by bowing and worshiping curved images. Its deceptive and occultism in nature.
I am greatly disturbed for the damaged culture of the Philippines as a nation thats why many are tolerating this false Christianity in the Philippines. Many Christian churches are not rebuking this cult practice in the Philippines. Even a Christian TV station is covering this and commenting as symbol of deep faith of the Filipino people. I totally disagree. The Catholic Church in the Philippines must be made accountable for practice of idolatry.
Efren,
The bible says in (Matthew 7:21-23
“Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity”
Dear Elfen Pimpentel
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
The Roman Catholic Church is surely color blind. Catholic Mary has been painted in different colors, even tough she obviously could not have been both black and white. The Papal approved idols of “Jesus”, are also presented in different colors. Like the Messiah was some kind of chameleon.
Shame on the Pope, and all who hail him as “The Holy Father”.
Dear Gloria and Ivarjeld,
Shalom!
Thanks for the reply. Thanks also for sharing.
To God be the glory. The Living God of Israel – the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Be blessed always!
Efren,
May God continue to bless you, and may we all continue to learn about the Word of God.
God Bless
Yeshua aka Jesus and his mother was black. The Hebrews were from Africa. Kush as mentioned in the Bible is Ethiopia & Mizraim is Egypt. The Egyptians who were black shared their knowledge with the Kushites. Wake up people the Roman Catholic Church (who happened to be behind the death of him) and other denominations have been lying about the race of Yeshua for yrs just to make money and enslave people minds. There is no J in the Hebrew alphabet nor was there a J in Greek. And there was no J in Latin or English until the 16th Century so his name was not Jesus nor was he a Jew. The word Jew does not even appear in the Old Testament which is the book he used to teach out of. Right now the new lie they are focusing on is the image of King Tut and in reality he was black too. You could not rule the throne in the ancient world in Africa if you were not black. Blackness was a symbol of divinity as the universe is black. There was no affirmative action for white people in Africa doing those times. Not preaching hate just telling it like it is so the truth can be told and set people minds free.
Heru,
Jesus was not black, nor was Mary.
Also when I have called out to Jesus, by his names: like Jesus, Lord, God, my King -he has never failed to answer me.
You said: Blackness was a symbol of divinity as the universe is black.
My Comment: Where does it say that in the Bible?
Your Comment: Not preaching hate just telling it like it is so the truth can be told and set people minds free.
My Comment: No you’re not preaching hate, but you are speaking incorrectly.
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Yahoshua is the true name of Jesus. Yahweh is the father. Yahudi is the real name for jew. Yahuda is the real name for Judah. Yada is how we acknowledge him. So Hallelu YAH! Yahoshua never heard the name Jesus ever while he was on this earth. Its a transliterated term given after 3 changes. From Iesous to”‘Jesus’ a transliteration of a Latin name Ioesus, pronounced heysus -which means nothing in Hebrew,
but in Latin it means ‘Hail Zeus’. If Yahshua’s name had been transliterated into our language,it would have been closer to Joshua (or Jehoshua)..” How can you Worship a Hebrew God system and cut out everything that is Hebrew? The word jew is slang.
Yhwh,
I’ve said this numerous times. When I call out to Jesus, I call him as such, and God, and Father, and Messiah and he has answered me.
I am from a Latin background and do not know Hebrew, but I understand that the Jewish people call Messiah Yeshua. I am sure many who call Christ Yeshua, Christ hears them.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols.
God is a spirit, and we that worship Him worship Him in spirit and in truth
Heru,
Peace in Jesus the Messiah.
You are making a mountain out of a molehill. What difference does it make what ‘color’ our Lord is? He was Jewish. You can look at the tone of Jewish skin and most likely He was that tone.
By pointing out skin tone as all important, you are making it into an idol.You are making race as the number one thing to focus on, instead of His Blood and the Cross.
Racism is wrong in any direction and you are lost in putting it ahead of the gift of salvation and His sacrifice.
All flesh will die, no matter what color. The Kingdom of God does not focus on colors, we live in His Spirit and worship in Spirit and in Truth.
Take your focus off of the flesh and live in His Spirit.
Sue
i agree with you so much.
Bright.
It is important when certain people go to lengths to hide his real identify when he was a man. The people who you think
Are mess today are false. They are of the synagogue of Satan. Gloria said Yah was not black
She has a great shock then. The only news in Isreal right now are the ethopian news and they are DNA news traced back to king David. Jesus was also the son of David through Mary. You get the connection Gloria. Do some research and find out that in those the only white people were Romans aND they had no mercy. All the people in the Bible were black. Job said “my skin is black upon me”. King Solomon said “I’m black but comly”. Isiah said “Judah more, they are black”. Bible also talks about Moses ethopian wife and her father who council ed Moses. So gloria stop lying to yourself and research. You really think those Europeans in Isreal news. Stop being deluded.
Publisher,
Greeting in the name of Jesus our Saviour,
I think the point is been missed in this article.The point must be made that this article sorts to make Jesus white thus black skin Jesus is evil.This makes mockery of blacks like me.I feel very much insulted that Christ the one i believe came to save me can not accept my colour(black) of which i had no hand in creating.This article must make it clear that it is not the black skin of Jesus that is the issue but that people are worshiping some false gods with the skin colour black.May be this article must be written again because as it stands now, it is very racist and against blacks. Christ died for humanity so whether you make a Black Jesus or Caucasian one the facts must be that it is the son of God and must be worshiped as the bible says.
Bright.
Dear Bright.
Shalom.
I am sorry that you read this article as an attack on your color. I can assure you that I am a white skinned European, and wish I was chocolate brown.
My point is that Jesus could not have been both black and white. He had to be one of these two radical opposites.
Some of the World’s best sportsmen and woman are black Africans. Some of the most beautiful woman I have ever seen are African’s.
Please to not make the skin color of Jesus an issue.
…Jesus was from the middle east, right? And please correct me if I’m wrong, but people from the middle east do not have either black OR white skin, but are kind of inbetween. So Jesus (and Mary for that matter) probably looked like any other person in the middle east today (i.e. light brown skin, dark hair and eyes). The point I’m trying to make is why do people get so upset over depictions of Black Mary + Jesus when depictions of a white Mary with blonde hair and blue eyes are just as unrealistic, considering the part of the world they lived in? Have YOU ever seen a person from the middle east with naturally blonde hair and blue eyes? And yet no one accuses THOSE artists of witchcraft. This entire post is pure ignorance and racism, and as Christians we should be focusing on Christ’s power to heal and bring communities together, instead of letting the devil divide us over something as insignificant as skin colour. The fact is our Virgin is beautiful whatever colour she is.
…Just to throw the cat among the pigeons, go to google images and type in “Chinese Virgin Mary”. I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised lol
Dear Lauren.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
This entire post is pure ignorance and racism, and as Christians we should be focusing on Christ’s power to heal and bring communities together, instead of letting the devil divide us over something as insignificant as skin colour.
My comment:
Even if Jesus was white and blue eyed, He loves black people. You twist my message, and do not even try to understand my point.
Jesus could not have been both black and white. Neither are you. Catholics might of course believe that The mother of Jesus was both a Latino from Bolivia and a Chinese, but you can not fool people who are able to think a free thought, and do not submit to the spirit that rules in the Vatican.
You accusations of racism is a disgrace.
Lauren you’re right on point. people wouldn’t be depicting Mary Magdalene as black all over France, Spain to Ethiopia, for nothing. White people hate to admit it but youd have to be dark to survive in that region. look at the sales of sun screen (under a black light, white people are turned black, research that yourself)
Wow. I did not know what the cuts meant and have been around these images all my life. How truly wicked. Great expose.
Czestochowa, Poland ” The Black Madonna ”
Legend has it, the Black Madonna was painted by St. Luke the Evangelist; and it was while painting the picture, Mary told him about the life of Jesus, which he later incorporated into his gospel.
The next time we hear of the painting is in 326 A.D. when St. Helen found it in Jerusalem and gave it to her son and had a shrine built for it in Constantinople. During a battle, the picture was placed on the walls of the city, and the enemy army fled. Our Lady saved the city from destruction.
The picture was owned by many other people until 1382 when invading Tartars attacked a Prince Ladislaus’ fortress, where the painting was located. A Tartar’s arrow lodged into through the throat of the Madonna. The Prince transfered the painting to a church in Czestochowa, Poland.
In 1430, the church was invaded and a looter struck the painting two times with his sword, but before he could strike it another time, he fell to the ground in agony and pain, and died. The sword cuts and the arrow wound are still visible on the painting.
Our Lady of Czestochowa (the Black Madonna) was soon made Queen and Protector of Poland. In 1920, Russians were invading Poland, when they saw an image of Our Lady in the clouds, and they withdrew on seeing the image.
Miraculous events such as spontaneous healings have occured for centuries on making pilgrimage to the portrait.
The painting is known as the Black Madonna because of the soot residue that discolors the painting. Centuries of votive lights and candles burning in front of the painting are the cause of the soot.
You people need to research objectively and use your subjective free thinking and hear say!!
Dear Dave
Shalom.
You wrote:
Legend has it, the Black Madonna was painted by St. Luke the Evangelist.
My comment:
To Hell with all Catholic legends. Please read the Bible, and obey what is written. The Vatican has mixed witchcraft into Christendom. The Pope and all his followers, who do not repent, is going to be severely punished in a place where they will find no exit. Mind my words.
Some time ago, a Protestant informed me that he had a big problem with the Catholic teachings. He said, “If we only need the Bible, then why do we have Bible Colleges and Protestant Seminaries? Why do we have Libraries full of books to teach us about the Bible? Why do we have Bible classes for our children? Why do we have Bible professors to put us and keep us on the right track? Why can we not just pick up a Bible, read it and understand it? Should my understanding not be the same as my father, my mother, my brother or my sister?” Using Sola Scriptura is illogical! There is nothing in Scripture teaching that “Scripture alone” is all-sufficient for the Christian Faith!!
FACT: There is also no statement within any of these New Testament books claiming that these books are Divinely-inspired. This becomes especially significant when one cites references to Divine revelation in the present New Testament books (e.g. Ephesians 3:3), since many of the Christian writings excluded from the New Testament canon also contain such references to Divine inspiration (e.g., The Apocalypse of Peter, the Protoevangelium of James, etc).
FACT: The present canon of the New Testament was not determined until the year 397 A.D. at the Council of Carthage. …And by a Church which clearly accepted both Scripture and oral Tradition as the rule of Faith.
FACT: Examples of this oral Tradition can be documented as early as A.D. 90 –a time when many of those who knew Christ (including the Apostle John) were still alive.
This documentation is to be found in 1 Clement to the Corinthians –a non-canonical epistle, which was considered to be Divinely-inspired by numerous Church fathers and many city-churches (esp. Corinth itself) until it was excluded from the New Testament in 397 A.D..
FACT: Three of these oral Traditions documented in 1 Clement are: 1. Peter and Paul’s ministries in Rome; 2. Apostolic succession; and 3. the Eucharist as a Sacrifice.
Images, icons, statues, they are all reminders of God’s Three Divine Persons. Catholic do not adore or worship these images, icons and statues. They adore and worship He who is represented by these man made objects.
If a mother dies in childbirth, her picture is the only thing that the child has to communicate to him what his mother looked like. This does not mean that the child adores his mother. The picture serves as a reminder.
Equally, Jesus left this earth before all of us were born. A painting of Jesus serves the purpose of reminding us of what He looked like. It serves the purpose of reminding us to adore Jesus, to obey Him, to serve Him, to plea to Him on behalf of others, etc…
Pictures and Statues of saints remind us of their lives, their virtues and the blessings they received from God. The objects remind us that we can pray to the Saints in the sense of asking them to intercede before God on our behalf. For who is in a better position to obtain a favor from God than the Saints who are face to face with God? This certainly does not mean that we adore the Saints. Nor does it mean that we are praying to the Saints in the hope of obtaining the favors from them; the favors come from God through the intercession of the Saints.
When a Catholic bows or kneels before the picture or statue of a saint, this is no different than when a person bows or kneels in the presence of the king of a nation. It is a way of showing respect towards the saint who has been elevated before God.
The Catholic Church throughout its history, like other Christian churches, has always condemned all forms of idolatry. Catholics know that objects are not gods to be worshipped. This truth is taught to them from the moment that they can walk.
As for the making of religious objects to remind Catholics of what is Divine, Sacred, holy and invisible, such is encouraged in the Holy Bible.
ivarfjeld,
I know this is an old blog but hopefully this comment will encourage or enlighten someone. I discerned in the spirit world that “Christianity” operates like witchcraft. (Mainly people who are looking for wealth and status). I couldn’t place my finger on it but I knew it to be true. What clued me in was how the most wicked people seem to be rewarded & protected for their wickedness while the upright in heart seem to be punished. After doing a lot of research, I realized the scary truth. I was right! Your page was confirmation for me. Thank you for daring to reveal this to people.
This legend is a fairytale. What’s your answer to the cuts on her face? Reject idolatry and adhere to the gospel. The Lord HATES these images.
dear ivarfjeld
I think you don’t understand my point at all. I wasn’t saying that Jesus was black AND white, i’m saying that he was probably NEITHER BLACK OR WHITE. HE WAS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, which is a whole different race of people. So he probably was neither completely pale or completely dark, like a lot of the images posted here. Black and white are not the only two races in the entire world; the article and your comments make it seem as if we have to choose between these two races and these two races alone. I really am shocked at how difficult you find it to even consider Jesus might have been something other than a white person from Europe. A lot of historical Christian art came from Europe, so do you not think it is possible that (like the chinese Virgin Mary) people in Europe depicted Jesus and Mary in their own image? With light skin and eyes? It looks like black and asian artists just did exactly the same whenever they had to depict Christ and His mother. So we ended up with a lot of different coloured images. What makes you think that any of them are correct, seeing as the artists were all clearly biased depending on their own skin colour? Also, I just wanted to clarify that I was commenting on the accuracy of the images of Jesus, and not disputing the character of Jesus himself. I never for one second implied that a “white Jesus” would love black people (or people of any other colour) less because He was not the same colour. I believe he loves all people regardless. I don’t think you intend to be racist, but you do come across as being racist only through your own ignorance. A good example of your unintentional racism is where you say people cannot be both black and white, when in fact they CAN – these people are said to be “mixed raced”. President Obama is a good example – his mother was white, his father was black. so that makes him both, because he is half white and half black. The article heavily implies that all images related to a european version of Christ are good and right (despite the fact Christ was not European AT ALL), and that all the images related to a more afrocentric image (in colour at the very least) are evil and wrong. I do not disagree with the fact that some of the black images have been used for witchcraft etc, but you should also be aware that some of the truly evil religions that use Voodoo also bow down to images of white saints. Does that make the white images “evil”?
So to conclude, Jesus was probably not black OR white, but from the middle east. So the afrocentric/european/chinese portrayals of him in art are probably incorrect and based purely on artistic licence so the image would be more appealing to the congregation.
Dear Laursen.
Shalom.
You wrote:
NEITHER BLACK OR WHITE. HE WAS FROM THE MIDDLE EAST,
My comment:
You miss the mark, and you miss my points. Jesus was Jewish. His color is not important. He was a Torah observant Jew, who honored God of Israel. Our God is One. He is God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
As Sue writes to another commenter: Jesus and his mother can be accepted, and are branded by false Christians, as anything, but not Jews. The Jewishness of Jesus and His mother is denied, falsified, and paganized.
In regards to colors: I have earlier stated that some of the most amazing and beautiful women on earth, are African ladies. And the best sportsmen on the Planet, are black men.
Will you still accuse me of racism?
I love your previous exposes of the idolatrous RCC but I must say that this article left a bad taste in my mouth. Intentionally or not, the article leans towards anti- blackness. Also you may like to look up fetishization. Your statement about the best sportsmen on the planet being black sounds well- intentioned, but it is also an example of racial stereotyping. For example, it was a belief in the superior physical strength of black people that was one of the justifications for slavery. Black people are just as normal, in beauty and strength, as everyone else. No more, no less. A so- called Christian sister I used to follow on YT claimed to have seen a vision of a Mediterranean looking Jesus and then talked about how ”people depict Him as white, asian and even black (LOL)!” Why is that so inconceivable for people? Why ”even” black? And yet when depictions of the devil in religious literature have continue to have afro- centric undertones, no one bats an eye. I don’t want racism cloaked in religious dogma. It pains me that the same ignorance I found while I was in the world I also battle while trying to follow Christ.
The peace of Christ Jesus to you and yours.
Dave,
You wrote:
Images, icons, statues, they are all reminders of God’s Three Divine Persons. Catholic do not adore or worship these images, icons and statues. They adore and worship He who is represented by these man made objects.
My comment:
You know who also needed a “reminder”? Aaron. And you know how that turned out… We worship Him in Spirit and Truth and do not need Human “reminders” that can never capture His Glory and lead weak men to have affection for statues and icons. The Jewish disciple did NOT promote idolatry through images.
You can not compare pictures of created humans to divine images. Big difference. The scriptures are clear, you can make any excuse you want in “human understanding” to twist the word of God, but the Word remains.
Exodus 20:4
“You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
Exodus 32
Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods,[b] Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.
You see Aaron believed He was worshiping the God that delivered them out of Egypt and he used the cast as a prototype (which Rome says is fine). It was not fine. Repent and turn to the Word.
Dave,
You need to write shorter posts and please break it up and do not post long booklets. It’s too hard to read that way.
You wrote:
When a Catholic bows or kneels before the picture or statue of a saint, this is no different than when a person bows or kneels in the presence of the king of a nation. It is a way of showing respect towards the saint who has been elevated before God.
My comment:
This is total deception. Saints are not “elevated” before God, only Rome says saints are Saints when they are DEAD. In the scriptures, a saint is an ALIVE believer, all followers of Jesus are saints. Do not glorify man, Dave. Only Jesus deserves the glory. Catholic saints are put up like gods to pray to. This is evil. When Stephen died as a martyr, did the Jewish believers pray to him? Never!!!
Dave and all readers,
This article is NOT racist. I think Ivar has proven himself NOT to be a racist !!!!
You are missing the point of the story. Images of Mary are snow white with blonde hair and blue eyes, as a Mexican, chinese, African, Korean, Spanish etc. (depending on the “apparition). She is never portrayed as just JEWISH. She is put up as a goddess. These false apparitions where demons appear inspire evil imagery which people then venerate and some worship.
This black Mary is certainly not Jewish Miriam, simple mother of Jesus, but this black Mary (or whatever race she’s depicted as) is an invention of the netherworld.
The “Queen of Heaven” is a goddess written about in the bible and the RCC has the gall to use this name for Miriam. Oh, that’s because it’s not Miriam, but really a false goddess, leading millions into idolatry.
for all intents and purposes the article may not be racist. but considering the number of people who feel it is makes it a bad write up.i believe an apology and may be a re-writeup is in order.as it stands now i believe it is too racist.
Dear Bright Nunoo
Shalom.
You wrote:
for all intents and purposes the article may not be racist. but considering the number of people who feel it is makes it a bad write up.
My comment:
Just replace the word “racist” with the word “wrong”, and see what you get.
The truth will prevail, even when people get offended by the truth.
Why is an apology in order when his intentions are anything but racist? The RCC is the one changing Mary into a camelion instead of being honest she was born a Jew. See the demonic in the imagry and pagan history and nature of those image. It is really not about color but idolatry. Man is weak and is attached to what he sees. But we are Ro look beyond our human limitations and not let the enemy cause division here. Peace.
If people starred making paintings of Martin Luther King Jr as a white man would anyone object? Yes because he was black so the representation is dishonest. Woud you be a racist if you objected this false representation? Of course not! In the same way Miriam was Jewish and not any other race. This is the point of the story. Let’s be honest who she was.
We all know that Jesus and Mary were Jewish. But could I imagine a Chinese Jesus or Mary for example? Actually, yes I could. When I lived in Japan I’ve often seen the Holy Family depicted as Japanese and wearing Japanese clothing. Also, Christmas cards are sold from a religious goods store connected with our Church and they depict a Japanese Madonna and child. The depictions of Jesus and the Holy Family are not intended to say this is how the historical Jesus and his family looked, but that all cultures are graced by God and that God may be reflected within all cultures. Jesus was incarnated into a particular time, culture, race and religion, but none of these human concepts are able to fully contain him. He is Chinese because he is both human and God and is not limited by human definitions of nationality or race.
Dear Dave.
Shalom.
You wrote:
He is Chinese because he is both human and God and is not limited by human definitions of nationality or race.
My reply.
Bingo. This is what the Roman Catholic faith is all about. Falsehood from A to Z. Almost the truth, but still a lie.
There you go!!! Limiting God and his Son Jesus, who are one in essense and distinct…….one supreme being! And what falsehood did the Church explain…..that God can do anything he wants to and yet you say he can’t even be part of other nationality and race!!!! Come on…..First of all, who said we had to make sense of God?
and just as a silly example:
God the Father could create a Rock sooo big that God the Son (as human) could not lift it. Also, God the Son(as human), could not Create a Rock So big that God the Father could not Lift it…
God is limited:
He cannot do anything that is self-contradictory.
He cannot do anything contrary to his character.
He cannot break any promise or covenant which he has made.
Dear Dave:
You said:
Jesus was incarnated into a particular time, culture, race and religion, but none of these human concepts are able to fully contain him.
My comment:
I find it interesting that the RCC can not contain Him in a race, but say they can contain Him in a piece of bread.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
You wrote:
I find it interesting that the RCC can not contain Him in a race, but say they can contain Him in a piece of bread.
My comment:
I feel we should thank Dave for exposing the RCC to be the whore of Babylon, the very house of demons. Can you find a better comment, that is written by a promoter of the One World Religion?
If Jesus can be a Chinese, He can surely also be a Buddhist. Why not. All in one, and one in all. Jesus can be anything….That is the true meaning of the word “Catholic”.
Dear Ivar,
Yes, it has one world religion all over it.
Dave said:
that God can do anything he wants to and yet you say he can’t even be part of other nationality and race!!!! Come on…..First of all, who said we had to make sense of God?
My reply:
I hope this doesn’t include Him coming back on a spaceship. The Chief Astronomer of the Vatican thinks Jesus became an alien to save space aliens on other planets. So I guess if He could be Chinese He could be a space alien according to the Astronomer.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/scientists-think-jesus-became-a-space-alien/
I have no idea where you guys got that non-sense idea about Jesus being an alien or its a Vatican…….but thats ridiculous!!
And now you attack Jesus as being bread!! When even Jesus said “He is the living Bread that came down from Heaven!!!” How can you deny that and even limit the power of Jesus!!!
This confusion arises because of the weakness of our human language. There are, in fact, three ways in which Jesus is present.
He is present everywhere as God because of His knowledge, power and divinity. This is referred to as God’s natural presence.
He is present spiritually in those who are in a state of grace.
He is present physically in the form of flesh and blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist and in His glorified body in Heaven.
Thus, when Catholics speak of the “real presence” they are not denying the fact Jesus is omnipresent, but are instead referring to the very clear teaching that Jesus is really present as flesh and blood in the Eucharist.
If the Eucharist is merely a symbol, explain this! Gospel of John, Chapter 6: 48-71………..the word symbol is not mentioned in the Gospel!!!
Look at how Jesus responds when many of His disciples turned away and left. He did not say “Now wait a moment. You were taking me too literally. What I meant was this…” No, he said to the twelve disciples “Do you also wish to go away?” and Peter, speaking for the group as he was the leader of the group spoke up and said, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
Or what about First Letter to the Corinthian, Chapter 11:23-27
Again, tell me, how can one be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord by receiving the Eucharist unworthily if it is not truly His body, blood, soul, and divinity?
Also, tell me, how could it not be the body, blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord, Jesus Christ, when all of the early Church fathers believed it to be so?!
Dear Dave
Shalom.
You wrote:
And now you attack Jesus as being bread!! When even Jesus said “He is the living Bread that came down from Heaven!!!” How can you deny that and even limit the power of Jesus!!!
My comment:
Jesus is not to be found in a bakery, nor on the altar of of a Roman Catholic Church. Jesus is in Heaven, and He sits on His throne.
The Bread of life, is the World of God. The RCC has made a mockery out of the scriptures. Your claim that Jesus is a Chinese is the best proof there is, that you have made the Word of God null and void, in the name of the Pope and “Jesus of Rome”.
You deny that Yeshua has come in the flesh, a fully human being, a Jew from a city called Nazareth. A fully human being like your self, can not be “both a Jew and a Chinese.” He can not have been both black and white. Such claims are demonic, and has its origin in the bottomless pit.
You have received the spirit of the anti-Christ, and I will banish you from this site. If I do not see repentance in your next massage, I will spam you. Simply because I will not permit people to spread venom on this site, after they have been told the truth, and completely rejected it.
Dave.
You are mistaken. Not ALL church fathes believed it. Even Augustine thought it to be symbolic.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
I have spammed Dave. I do permit demons to enter this site, to expose them and rebuke them. When people who distribute demonic messages do not want to listen and be delivered, their time on this site is up.
Ivar you are ignoring Dave’s answer about truth!! For Truth is objective and not subjective to your twisted ideas
Saint Augustine is a Catholic!
He tells you…
Eucharist (Real, Substantial, Physical Presence)
“And was carried in His Own Hands:” how “carried in His Own Hands”? Because when He commended His Own Body and Blood, He took into His Hands that which the faithful know; and in a manner carried Himself, when He said, “This is My Body.” (Exposition on Psalm XXXIV, 1; NPNF 1, Vol. VIII)
It always gets on my nerves when people quote certain Chuch Fathers and misinterpret what they are saying. It is clear Augustine believed in the real presence as did everyone until the 16th century Protestant Reformation!!
The reason you can sometimes find Fathers using terms like bread and wine for conscecrated bread is because sometimes the Church uses these terms (as did the fathers) to refer to the Eucharist. Such as “the bread of life.” There is also a secondary understanding of the Eucharist being symbolic…..As stated earlier is not wrong to use terms like the “bread of life” even though there is no substance of bread present anymore….
Dear Thomas More.
Shalom.
I am not ignoring Dave’s answer. He just jump from one issue to another, like demonized people normally do. You can no debate with such people. They are not on this site to debate. The question was about Jesus being a Chinese. I presume a Buddhist also…Next: Dave jumps to debate the Eucharist.
The Whole Eucharist arguement was started by Sue!!!
Her Quote………
My comment:
I find it interesting that the RCC can not contain Him in a race, but say they can contain Him in a piece of bread.
Yes, she and you like to insult the Living Bread that came down from heaven!!
Luke 22: 19
And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.” Jesus didn’t say its a symbol or ideal, but really and literally his body!!!
And I don’t see a problem with a Black Jesus, or Chinese, or European!!! All cultures depict Jesus in the image of their culture. I’m sure if you were to attend an Asian church Jesus would probably look Asian. BTW…what makes us so sure He looks anything like what Europeans/Americans depict Him looking like?
Also…look at how Jesus has been portrayed throughout Church history. Sometimes a very stern looking judge. Others very masculine…but “loving”. Others are very effeminate.
I’m just trying to say that all cultures picture Christ and Mary in their image. After all…God made all different races in His image and likeness!! Think about guys!! You are so ignorant of this facts!!!
Dear Thomas More
Shalom.
You wrote:
Also…look at how Jesus has been portrayed throughout Church history. Sometimes a very stern looking judge. Others very masculine…but “loving”. Others are very effeminate.
My comment:
It does not matter how the “Church” have portrayed Jesus through the ages. Jesus was a Jew, whatsoever wicked men have tried to portray him. Again, and for the last time:
The colors or the man made images of Jesus is not the point. His Jewishness is what matters. He was born a Jew, raised in a Jewish family, grew up as a Torah observant Jew, celebrated Jewish feasts, walked in the Temple in Jerusalem and taught in the synagogues. He became a servant of God of Israel.
This is the bread that came down from Heaven, this is the World that become flesh. The Jewishness of Jesus has by Rome been denied, falsified and paganized.
Dear Thomas More.
Shalom.
The RCC Eucharist is blunt blasphemy. The Bible says Jesus is the rock. I guess someone really believe he is found in a stone. Another place, Jesus explains He is the door.
Worshiper’s of a round wafer, wood and stones, will not be able to understand. God has put a delusion on them because of their idolatry. In God’s eyes such people have become worthless, will be cut off and thrown in the fire.
With all due respect, Ivar, I do believe that you may not understand this subject completely. The Eucharist is not a piece of bread, it is in fact the representation of…. no… it IS the body of Christ. If you do not understand this (and I am in no way trying to be ugly) then I suggest you do not discuss it. If I may point out, it does mention the Eucharist in the bible, and the words come right out from Jesus’ mouth.
Here’s a tip. Whenever you are disagreeing with someone, like Catholics for example, you have to use the crime inverstigator approach. First you think, “If I was a Catholic, what would I think about this?” Then you think all the mean thoughts and just get them out there. After that, you screen out the bad thoughts and start to think more logically. Now you will find it easier to think kinder thoughts. This is when you start to think, “Well, what would that Catholic REALLY think.” I say this as a friend, and I am not trying to order you about. I am simply suggesting this because this is what I have done in the past. If you have noticed, I tentd to (or at least try to) be a more open-minded Catholic. This is becausse I love to always open the doors for the possibilities that I am wrong and can further educate myself. Even if you thing Catholics are complete fruitcakes and that we have no idea about the bible at all, it is still a better idea to try to see from our point of view, instead of get aggravated with us and block our comments.
By the way, I would like you to know that I DO NOT approve of Dave being blocked. This person is trying to argue his point of view just the same as you are. If you would like another reason, it makes you look nervous. People might come on this site and think that you were trying to quiet Dave so that he couldnt argue against you. This probably isn’t true, but there are some dramatic people out there who just love to turn an argument into a play.
There is one other thing. There are a few places in the comments where you used unfavorable language. I believe that if you have the power to resrict others from using nasty language, you should be able to restrict yourself just fine. I have seen where you screened out places where other people used detestable words, so you should set the example and not use those words yourself.
I am truly sorry this comment is so long. and I hope you know I am not trying to put you down in any way, though it does seem as if I am nagging. I assure you, this is not what I intended to do.
In Christ
~Dashti~
http://www.the-highway.com/eucharist_Webster.html
I :love: this! This is just too creative! This deserves another 100 comments it is so good
Wow…. my comment looks even longer from this view. That is absolutely crazy. I apologize, but I guess I just had a lot to say. I will try really hard to make my comments much shorter in the future.
~D~
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We do not know what Mary actually looked like. We do know she was a first century Jew and probably was very Middle Eastern in appearance. Each culture depicts Mary as one of their own. In Europe she has European features and is white. In Africa she is depicted as black, in Asian she has Asian features. The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe has native Aztec features. Even in her apparitions she appears as one of their own.
Plus you fundmentalist are really poor with scripture when you argue about images being forbidden!!!
Note!!! God Himself commanded of Moses to make “graven images.”
1 Chr. 18 “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the LORD”
Exod.25: 18, 20 And you shall make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be
Num.21: 8-9 And the LORD said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.” So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live. Later in scripture was destroyed for worship, but before God still said to make images!! The way this is traditionally formulated, in the OT the Israelites were forbidden to make images because at that time, God had not yet revealed Himself in a tangible form that could be artistically portrayed. But ever since Jesus, “the (eikon) of the invisible God,” was incarnated as a man (and thus visible and tangible), it became permissible to make images (eikona).
Further……..Is the statue of Lincoln, President of United States made to be worshipped? No. It represents a great leader, not a god. Just like other Statues in the USA and Europe!!!
Is the statue of say your hometown mayor or governor made to be worshipped? No. it represents a leader.
How about the statue your child made in art class of a female head or male head? Did the child make it to be worshipped? No. He made it as a representation of a woman, for esthetic pleasure, and hopefully a decent grade.
So, is the statue of Mary in a church worshipped as a god? No. Does the Mass (Catholic service) said in Church speak of “in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Mary”? No! Does the priest offer the bread and wine, Body and Blood, of MARY? No!! Do the people speak of her as creator, redeemer, or sanctifier? No!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No worship, no problem with statues. . .or pictures. . .or stained glass windows. . .
None of them being god. . .
Even the Great Temple of Solomon had images of animals, trees, statues 1 King 6:22-29:
Now can you all explain this…..nope!
Dear Jerry,
There is a huge difference in “cherubim, palm trees and open flowers” (1 Kings 6:29) vs. catholic imagery/statuary of Mary and Saints. Catholics are encouraged to kneel, pray, light candles in front of these images which in turn causes great attachment to these dead people and a divided heart when our hearts must be for God alone:
“You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. (Exodus 20:4, 5).
Kay
You quote “There is a huge difference in “cherubim, palm trees and open flowers” (1 Kings 6:29) vs. catholic imagery/statuary of Mary and Saints. atholics are encouraged to kneel, pray, light candles in front of these images which in turn causes great attachment to these dead people and a divided heart when our hearts must be for God alone.”
1 Kings 8:54 When Solomon had finished all these prayers and supplications to the Lord, he rose from before the altar of the Lord, where he had been kneeling with his hands spread out toward heaven.
I Kings 6:23-36; 7:27-39; 8:6-67 – Solomon’s temple contains statues of cherubim and images of cherubim, oxen and lions. Incense was used in the temple. The high priest prayer before the Ark of Covenant which had images and statues on it also. God did not condemn these images that were used in worship.
Or how about in the New Testament!!
Mark 15:43; John 19:38 – Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ’s dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord’s body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 – the women came to further anoint Christ’s body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 – Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus’ grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord’s body.
Rev. 6:9 – the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
What do you got for me??? Because you are not proving me any different!!
Jerry,
You wrote:
“what do you got for me???”
My response:
I am not here to debate with you. I once was extremely devoted to catholic saints. The Holy Spirit gives me great joy now and my heart is solely for my Lord Jesus. This following scripture cut me to the heart to no longer pray to dead people:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth
generation of those who hate me,
(Deuteronomy 5:6-9).
I was surprised to learn that the catholic church manipulated God’s Word and re-wrote the 10 commandments. So sad.
Kay
my starting response
First off God gives man free will so man can make false Gods if he wants, but God gave us his rules and the ability for force them. God didn’t make mindless machines that does what he wants he made us and we have a choice to make – and he shows us the right choice. – so saying he wouldn’t have allowed so many religions isn’t an valid argument
and the Graven images part, you have to read on – no graven images to bow down or worship no Christian worships an image or statue – we worship God. although we have pictures/ statues for symbols , “remember for the first 1500 years a lot of people were illiterate and were taught the gospels through pictures and images. also use for veneration but never for worship
for the Lords name in vain -you must clearly see the first 4 commandments are for how we are to love God and the 6 others are how to Love/treat Man – clearly we shouldn’t use the Lords name in vain. just like I wouldn’t dream of using my wifes name in vain or my parents let alone the Creator of Everything
Keeping the the Sabbath day is part of the old covenant never the less – we do keep the Lords day holy by going to church and praying – sometimes people may have to work – but there is also Saturday and many mass times. your statement of implying God’s exhaustion does not hold up. and your hypothetical scenario of the heart attack is not only unrealistic but you are twisting what keep the holy the Sabbath day means to be ridiculous.
we Honor our Father and Mother because they created us – and they take care of us – of course if you have abusive or evil parents this changes things – remember the 10 commandments are guidelines your playing a technicality game
I think your talking about the difference comes from the Protestants’ focus on idoltry. They have separated what we call the first commandment into two:
1) Thou shalt have no false gods before Me.
2) Thou shalt not make graven images.
In my opinion these are the same commandment, as an idol is a false god.
Then, the problem catches up to them at the end of the list. The Protestants have combined the last two commandments into one:
10) Thou shalt not covet.
The more Catholic rendering is:
9) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
10) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.
Some Protestants claim that Catholics have combined the first two commandments into one, and separated the last commandment into two in order to excuse all the “idols” (statues and pictures) we have in our churches and houses. However, I believe the 9th commandment (lust) and the 10th commandment (envy) are two very different sins.
In the list in Deut ch5, there is a pretty strong distinction between the two. Deut 5:21 he talks about DESIRING the neighbor’s wife, but lists the neighbor’s goods (personal possesions) as things not to be coveted. Protestants will also say that since adultery is already listed, then there is no need to list it again (as coveting your nieghbor’s wife). However, stealing is also listed. So by that reasoning, there would be no reason to list coveting your neighbor’s goods as a separate commandment either.
All that being said, there is also the fact that the numbers 3 and 7 are very symbolic in the scriptures (the number 3 signifying God, and the number 7 signifying God’s interaction with man). If you look at the Ten Commandments as divided into the two “Great Commandments” (Love God above all things – Deut 6:4-5 and Love your neighbor as yourself – Lev 19:18, also Matt 22:37-40), the numbering of them becomes significant.
1) LOVE GOD ABOVE ALL THINGS.
1. I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord, thy God, in vain.
3. Thou shalt keep the Sabbath holy.
2) LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF.
1. Honor thy father and thy mother.
2. Thou shalt not murder.
3. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
4. Thou shalt not steal.
5. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
6. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife.
7. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods.
The Church follows this numbering (which I believe is the Augustinian one). However, what is important more than the numbering, of course, is the LOVE.
Jerry,
You wrote: “my starting response” and it turned into a booklet! LOL!
You seem to know the heart of man by stating ‘no Christian worships a statue or image’. How do you know what is in the heart of your fellow church-man ardently praying before a statue of the Virgin Mary?!!!
You see – a true believer who gives his/her heart to God alone, seeks no other medium to talk to, to pray to, to worship, etc.
Kay
Despite the anti-black, anti-African demonizing this was a very good expose about the origins of the black Madonna and child. The ichi marks on the face prove its African origin as a spiritual or divine symbol of a creatrix deity mother of god and its mythology that was adopted by the church. Perhaps this why the African church fathers said:
“That which is known as the Christian religion existed among the ancients, and never did not exist; from the beginning of the human race until the time when Christ came in the flesh, at which time the true religion, which already existed began to be called Christianity.” St. Augustine (Retractt. I, xiii, cited by Dr. Alvin Boyd Kuhn in his Shadow of The Third Century , Elizabeth N.J.: Academy Press, 1949, p.3).
“That in our time is the Christian Religion, which to know and follow is the most sure and certain health, called according to that name, but not according to the thing itself, of which is the name; for the thing itself which is now called the Christian Religion really was known to the ancients, nor was wanting at any time from the beginning of the human race until the time when Christ came in the flesh, from whence the true religion, which had previously existed, began to be called “Christian;” and this in our days is the Christian religion, not as having been wanting in former times, but as having in later times received this name” (Opera Augustini, vol. i. p. 12; quoted in Taylor’s Diegesis, p. 42).
Augustine is not alone in his testimony.
Eusebius, the great champion of Christianity, admits in his book: “that which is called the Christian religion is neither new nor strange, but-if it be lawful to testify the truth-was known to the ancients” (Hist. Eccl. lib. 2, ch. v.).
Eusebius says that “the names of Jesus and Christ were both known and honored by the ancients” (Hist. Eccl. lib. i. ch. iv).
Eusebius, in his Church History, tells us that Justin, in his Dialogue with Trypho, says “there exists not a people, civilized or semi-civilized, who have not offered up prayers in the name of a crucified Savior to the Father and Creator of all things” (Hist. Eccl. lib i. ch. iv).
Ammonius Saccus, a Greek philosopher, founder of the Neoplatonic school, taught that “Christianity and Paganism when rightly understood, differ in no essential points, but had a common origin, and are really one and the same religion” (Taylor, Diegesis, p. 329).
Who says Mother Mary was white? Two thousand years ago, Jews were not white. Have you seen Middle Eastern no Ashkenazi Jews? They are not white.If the black Madonna is evil, why not the white Madonna?
The writer of this article is extremely racist. Pray to God before you depart this world.
Dear Sue.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
I have never said that Miriam the Jewish mother of Jesus was white. I have said that she could not have been both white and black. She was surely not a “Roman Catholic chameleon”, a lady that appeared in different versions, and with different colors.
The Jewish Mother of Jesus was not from Rome, not from Paris or London. A lot of Roman Catholic painters are defaming her, by painting here as a pale, blond and white skinned anglo-saxon nobility.
All Christian denominations and or sects have their peculiar traditions unique to them. The Roman Cathoilic is just one of them. The bottom line, they believe in Christ and have NO DOUBT about who he is.
You gotta see these facts:
1. Pope is antichrist: remnantofgod.org/666-CHAR.htm
2. The mark of the beast is sunday:
Remnantofgod.org/mark.htm
3. The Law of God is still valid for the Christian, including the seventh day Sabbath:
Remnantofgod.org/law.htm
God bless you.
Left this on another post while scrolling through your old posts, thought I’d better put it on something more current. Thought you’d be interested in this. http://www.thecontroversialfiles.net/2013/09/incredible-skeletal-remains-of-catholic.html
http://empiredelamort.com/charnels-and-ossuaries/cham_germanya/
This is horrifying and the “author” speaks of “beautiful artistic arrangements”? I wasn’t aware of these types of things until I started studying church history and stumbled onto your page a couple years back. I was raised Roman Catholic, never really knew there was anything else. Short story my husband got “saved” shortly after we were married. I started reading the bible to show him how wrong he was and how Roman Catholic was the only way lol. Boy was I shocked, not a thing about sacraments, rosaries, penance, purgatory, popes. Really floored me. The “simplicity of the gospel” has been lost to the corrupt Roman system, and so many people I love so much are deceived. Prayers are much appreciated. Blessings.
Dear Carrie
Shalom.
You wrote:
Boy was I shocked, not a thing about sacraments, rosaries, penance, purgatory, popes. Really floored me. The “simplicity of the gospel” has been lost to the corrupt Roman system.
My reply:
Well said. Roman Catholicism is Satan’s best tool on Earth. Being presented to us as “Christianity”, and having a copy of “Jesus” in its midst. Still mocking God of the Bible, from A to Z. Roman Catholicism is deadly, and leads its faithful followers through the wide gates of Hell.
I am Jewish and the Jewish community has a good rapport with Catholics. They were the first Christian denomination to renounce anti-Judaism in the 2nd Vatican Council. . Many protestants have since followed their example. Pope John XXXIII repatriated many Jews to Palestine during the Nazi persecution. Mother Theresa is a fine example of Christian charity. I find it so amazing how other Christians are so critical of other Christians with whom they do not agree. The Roman Catholic Church is the oldest and the largest Christian denomination in the world! And I just find it ironic that the Catholic church does not demonize other Christians at all. There is a parable in the NT that says “by their fruits you shall know them”?
Dear Sidney Davis.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church is the oldest and the largest Christian denomination in the world!
My reply:
This is a damnable lie. The Roman Catholic Church was established in and around 315-320 A.D, almost 300 years after Jesus the Messiah left for the Kingdom of Heaven. The oldest Church in the World is the Church of Jerusalem, formed by your Jewish brethren embracing Yeshua of Nazareth as the Messiah. The first believers in the Messiah kept the Sabbath on Friday evening onwards, celebrating Sukot,Passover, etc. The fist Jewish believers baptized people who repented and believed in the Messiah. Not infants, who neither have faith, nor are able to resist this religious ritual.
The Thomas Church in India is also more than 250 years older than the Roman Catholic Church, so is the Coptic Church. The Thomas Church was formed in 50 A.D, and was never under Rome before the Portuguese onslaught on the communities in the Indian Ocean around 1500 A.D. The Thomas Church was formed by a Jewish preacher, who had faced the Messiah in Jerusalem.
The Pope only accept the Jews as older brethren, because He wants to be invited as “the prince of peace” to Jerusalem. He promotes a gross religious compromise with Islam, that will fool the Jews into the final plan for the destruction of the Zionist state of Israel.
Do not be deceived by the papacy.
Dear Ivarfjeld, your view is debatable. The Holy See of St.Peter claims the unbroken apostolic tradition of the laying on of hands and claims rights to the earliest traditions of the apostolic literature. Certainly you have heard of the Ante-Nicene Fathers.
Yes the catholic church is a very antichristian religion, but isen’t it true that the chatholich church is controlled by the satanic Illuminati, and that they again are controlled by evil spirits?!
Dear Roy
Shalom.
You asked:
but isen’t it true that the chatholich church is controlled by the satanic Illuminati, and that they again are controlled by evil spirits?!
My reply:
All men deserve to die, and be sent to eternity in Hell. 100 percent of us. No man deserve to be saved, may they be Muslims, Hindus or Christians. Behind all world religions, are Satan. All religious head’s are a part of “satanic Illuminatis”, claimed enlightened men who still live in darkness.
The true faith is not a religion, but a relationship with the living God, Jesus the Messiah, raised a Jew in the Biblical Jewish faith of Judaism. Do you have such a relationship? Have you submitted to His Lordship?
Why do fellow Christians bash and demonize each other? The Holy See does not do that.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html
Dear Sidney Davis
Shalom.
You asked:
Why do fellow Christians bash and demonize each other?
My reply:
They do not. But Roman Catholicism is not Christianity, and never will it be. Roman Catholicism is a mixed up religion of paganism, using “Jesus” as one of its idols. Likewise, sects like Mormonism and Jehovah Witnesses uses the name of “Jesus” to promote their religious ideology.
Mark 13:6
Many will come in my name, claiming, “I am he,” and will deceive many.
Dear Ivarfjeld, I asked:
“Why do fellow Christians bash and demonize each other?”
you replied:
“They do not”, and then proceed with your demonstration of my question! Although I am a Th.D it is not my desire to engage in a theological debate with you. One thing I can say about Catholics being “Christians” or not; they have no doubt about who Jesus Christ is. After all, they invented him.
Yashua didn’t care if you remembered him but it was his message he was most concerned with. Love… However, I don’t agree with this article, I believe that the popes and Catholic Church as keepers of numerous religious antiquities know the truth about who yashua and the original yisrael and yahudah people were, Black Africans,and as far as being yahudah or the yisrael, Jewish as many call them, the Semitic people can trace their lineage to Ethiopia not the other way around, ancient Semitic people where definitely a range from dark to red skinned people as are most black nations in Africa. I think the pope bows to the true image of Christ. If he became ill afterwards it was because he needed to clean his soul and was asking for forgiveness and he suffered in the end physically for a chance at salvation spiritually, again like your article this is just my opinion. If you wonder why many have accused you of racism it is because you clearly state that the black images can’t be real and are in fact voodoo or evil, what about the white images used for wars and conquest, the crusades, the entire diaspora from Africa, the conquest of South America, European colonization, the attempted genocide of the natives in the Americas, etc., these travesties were done all in the name of the white blue eyed Jesus. Violence, murder, racism, hate, slavery, inequality, contempt for the poor, and greed all are a direct violation against yashua’s message and to do so in his name is very bad to say the least. Though i don’t agree with you I do get your point that from your perspective both are wrong and inaccurate white or black however with out an equivalent article to bash the lie about the white blue eyed Jesus as demonic or satanic, it would appear that your argument is one sided and it’s sole purpose is to demonize the depiction of a black or African Jesus. Which because of this some will and maybe rightfully so deem this article as racist. Sorry for the long post. Peace and love to you and yours.. In the end it’s not about the man but his message that we should cherish.
Great Post
First of all Yeshua wasn’t a white man when he walked the earth so the real deception is on you racist white so called christians who worship a white false “Jesus” !!! Keep on letting your racism blind you. The Romans should know what Christ really looked like since they killed him you think?!
Reblogged this on spiritualabusesanctuary and commented:
It’s dangerous and foolhardy to “believe whatever you want to believe…or something that someone spoon feeds you”. Who is it that doesn’t understand that Mary, the mother of Jesus was a Jewess, as well as a woman in need of a Savior?
Why does it have to be with craft. Just because he claimed to come in the Lord’s name he could of been doin articles behind the scenes and when he bowed down on the alter he judged and punished for his unknown articles deeds for using the Lord’s name in vain. Remember people Catholics priest and popes around the would are always being charged with child molestation and all kinds of ridiculous crimes all the time.
This is nonsense, how many people are going to be in such denial? the bible clearly states that Jesus Christ had “hair of wool and skin of copper” HE WAS NOT WHITE. Furthermore, Christian men and women should not be “worshiping” or bowing to man made idols. No one can know for sure what Jesus looked like precisely because history has proven the Michael Angelo created this well known depiction of Jesus in his own image. This is not my opinion this is fact, google it. To conclude, there is no correct detailed image of jesus all that is for certain is the color of his skin and texture of his hair as stated in the Holy Bible. Not to insult anyone, but please do the research and stop passing around this false image of Jesus.
Racist article based on pure sophistry.
You said:
“The image is not from Jerusalem. The image was “discovered” in 1802 on Haiti by Catholic monks of Polish origin, and taken to Poland.”
I’ve found something else:
“This event led King John II Casimir Vasa to “crown” Our Lady of Częstochowa (“the Black Madonna”) as Queen and Protector of Poland in the cathedral of Lwów on April 1, 1652″
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna_of_Cz%C4%99stochowa
Probably the image was there in 1652, so it couldn’t be delivered to Poland in 1802. Can you explain this? It’s an enormous difference.
Greetings from Poland, God bless you.
Christianity was established in Africa before Euroasia or Europe. Jesus and his mother looked like all the others in the north of Africa look like today.
Black madonna of czestochowa is a byzantine icon probably black due to some chemical process in ancient paint – but maybe its gods will as st. Marry is mother to blacks and whites. Cuts was done during robbery by sabre. in 1800’s image was brought to Haiti by Polish troops within Napoleon’s army, some of whom settled on the island, and joined slave revolt. There it was incorporated, as other catolic images into voodoo cults – process well known in history of cultures. Love the mish-mash u all make of it.
Michal, above, finally that’s it in a nutshell your true and intelligent response. If they want to use our icons, fine, if they are more comfortable with perceived skin tones, that’s certainly understandable. Personally I’m not a devotee of western daVinci-style religious depictions. Too westernized.
Ivar, the article was all over the place, I had to read it twice to figure out your angle, which wasn’t as much racist as it was anti-Roman Catholic. You should realize the origin of that icon, and how icons are written – not painted – the style is Orthodox/Byzantine/Eastern and not Caribbean, not even Western. Since we don’t worship the actual icon, the icon is whatever it means to you. It’s a physical tanglible symbol of its meaning, probably for those of us who lack imagination and can’t picture adequately in our minds how Christ or His Mother may have looked when on Earth. I don’t care if some Haitian thinks our lady of Jasna Gora is St.Barbara, or even someone pagan. That doesn’t mean someone in an Eastern European country is unwittingly worshipping voodoo cult deities. Seriously, all you detractors need to explore pre-Catholic Christianity, which is Eastern Orthodox. The truth will set you free. Thank you all for copying us, it’s flattering. PS. Check out Our Lady of Guadalupe & Our Lady of Kibeho. Yes, the apparitions are usually consistent with geographic location. And that’s the way it is.
Origin of Madonna /and a child image/( with lily /sphere-globe ,virgo etc) – ancient Isis(Ancient Egypt (black),Greco Roman, Gallo Roman then Roman Catholic). No Jewish girl but royal Mother of God.Thats why first Madonnas are black.