The false Catholic gospel of works

I think few Catholics and even fewer Protestants actually know or understand the Catholic way of “salvation”.

Roman Catholics believe they are saved by rituals and good works.

Yet it is still printed in the Baltimore Catechism that we are saved by our participation in the sacraments.

Central to Catholicism, in fact its very focal point, is the sacrament of the Eucharist where it is believed that bread and wine are literally transformed into the body and blood of Jesus.

The implications of this belief, although unbiblical, may seem innocent enough until one realizes that this practice is without question the very heart and core of the Catholic “gospel.”

In other words, your participation of this sacrament is what saves you. The point is that your salvation depends on something you do. It gives you a temporary and false sense of assurance until you sin again.

In fact, according to Catholic teaching, one can never be assured of one’s own salvation. To have such assurance is to be guilty of the sin of pride. And looking back on it now, such a conclusion makes perfect sense because if our salvation were based on our performance (i.e., participation in the sacraments), we would have something to boast about.

So logically from that point of view, if we don’t acknowledge or recognize our salvation, at least in theory we can be humble about it. But Paul saw the error in all this fallacious thinking when he penned the words:

 Ephesians 2:8-9.

  For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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43 thoughts on “The false Catholic gospel of works

    1. Dear Ronnie

      Shalom.

      When I drink the wine, I remember His blood, shared for the sins of the World on the cross at Calvary Hill.

      When I eat the bread, I remember the bread that came down from heaven. The Eternal World.

      When I eat and drink, I do remember Him. I I promise Him never to forget what He was done for me, and all of us.

    1. Then Explain these passages Kay or Ronnie????

      Read………John’s Gospel chapter 6.

      Example……John: 6 53-55 UNLESS YOU EATthe flesh of the son of man, you have no life within you.

      The Lord was speaking literally, and not symbolic……no excuses. How can you deny the Lord?

      Or check out St. Paul’s first Letter to Corinthians 11: 27 – 29:

      Whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaining the BODY and BLOOD of our Lord. For he who eats and drinks without discerning the BODY eats and drinks judgement upon himself.

      Now, how do you ”discern” something if it’s symbolic, and doesn’t Paul indicate that celebrating the Eucharist is something that is to be continued, since if it was once only, how can someone eat and drink (in the future) in an unworthy state? So to my original question, even if you DONT believe the last supper in a litteral sense, how do you explain not partaking of even a symbolic rememberance of the last supper?

      If we, as Catholics, are being so hype-literal about emulating the Last Supper as it being literally Blood and flesh, why do we feel, quite unsupported by the same scriptures used to support our belief, the freedom to ignore the fact that Christ also offered BOTH the Body AND Blood, and commanded the partaking of BOTH EVERY time He mentions the requirement to consume Him?

      It is literally impossible to do anything in the “memory” of the very same thing.
      Jesus used “in memory of Me” to make sure we understand that there was only one Sacrifice offered for our sin at Calvary.

      “Without shedding of blood, there is no remission of sin.”
      There is no shedding of blood in the “bloodless sacrifice” of the mass. You will find absolutely no Scripture that describes sin being remitted in any other way, but through the shedding of blood.

      1. My personal witness: When I am nourished by the word of God, I am filled. When I have eaten the catholic host, I walk away hungry.

        Light: Jesus is ‘light of men’…do we then worship the sun & then bathe in the son’s light rays? (In him was life, and that life was the light of men. (John 1:4 NIV84)

        For Christ did not enter a man‑made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. (Hebrews 9:24 NIV84). I praise only the Holy Jesus in heaven.

  1. So ironic to see the catholics take nothing literal in the Bible. But then one of the few statements that are clearly metaphorical, about the body and blood, that they take literally.

    Talk about backwards.

    1. The readings read at Mass are also presented in literal format. Instead of reading directly from the entire Bible, each Mass catholics are given verses that are ‘cut & paste’ into a book.

      1. The entire Bible is read in a 3 year cycle at all the Mass the paste and uncut paste!!! Mass is not only on Sunday but everyday….or daily Mass!! The Reads are to match with Old Testament readings to show a fore shadowing of the Old to the New! But again the entire Bible is read in a 3 year cycle and is the same with Orthodox Church!

      2. I love reading the Bible in it’s original format which allows me to see what comes before/after text…not cut & pasted in a missal where I see a limited view. Poor souls who can’t get to mass the other six days of the week to hear the Bible during that 3 year cycle.

  2. I am not a protestant. That word is made up by the catholic establishment. But the true first Christians were those in the Book of Acts, which was over 200 years before catholicism existed. So there is no need to use these words as catholic or protestant.

    John 6:63 proves that Jesus was speaking metaphorically. Of course, Jesus was not speaking metaphorically about the literal Adam and Eve and creation, as proven by Matthew 19:4. Yet the catholic establishment says it is a metaphor.

    Jesus wins. Catholicism loses.

    1. Andy,
      In a cult, the world outside is secondary & against them. Members of RC pridefully think that everyone is protesting them because the world/history revolves around them.

    2. The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. (John 6:63 NIV84)

      For me as I have recently left RC, I realized the Eucharist canNOT be as RC teaches b/c St. Paul, Acts would have been full of how the early Christians must adore Jesus in tabernacle! I am fed by His Word, but Eucharist has done nothing for me…& trust me, I was a very practicing-devout catholic (3 years convent, catholic college educated, met JPII, etc.). I praise God for bringing me out & that I can add nothing to the salvation my savior Jesus Christ has done for me! “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast.”(Ephesians 2:8, 9 NIV84)

      1. Kay, very well said on all counts of what you have said. Yes, a cult does seek to do exactly what you said, and it is impossible to see catholicism as anything but a cult.

        And I praise Jesus that He gave you understanding of His truth, and showed you the true Gospel, John 3:16.

    3. Jesus first repeated what he said, then summarized: “‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’” (John 6:51–52). There is no metaphor!!! Metaphor is a means to symbolic……he does not say I symbolize bread or wine!

      His listeners were stupefied because now they understood Jesus literally—and correctly. He again repeated his words, but with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:53–56). No metaphor here!

      1. Allen,

        Take time to consider the entire text of John Chapter 6 … And the entire gospel of John – Not just 1 Verse by itself. The Word of God became flesh.(John 1:14). When we feed on the Word of God, we feed on the flesh.

      2. Earlier in the chapter it is noted that the group Jesus was talking to wanted their bellies filled and were among the five thousand fed with the loaves and fishes. The Lord explained that the flesh was of no avail. It’s the spirit that gives life. They still could not get their minds off the carnal and walked away.

    4. “Protestant” is a term primarily applied to forms of Western Christianity derived from a series of schisms in the Roman Catholic Church in the early 16th century, most notably those led by Martin Luther and Huldrych Zwingli. It is also used, somewhat less strictly, to refer to churches that are members of the Anglican Communion (which split from the Catholic Church under different circumstances). There are also some movements which are seen as forerunners of Protestantism, but which predate Protestantism proper — such as the Waldensians and the Lollards. Protestantism developed primarily in northern Europe, particularly in Germany, Switzerland, and Scandinavia. Protestantism of various forms is also common in North America, particularly the Baptist tradition. The term, derived from the French for “protesting”, refers primarily to churches whose theology is based on the principles of sola scriptura, i.e. that the Bible alone, and not the statements of church leaders, is the only source of doctrine, and generally sola fides, that salvation is achieved through the acceptance of Jesus’ sacrifice, and not through merit earned through good works. Also “protesting” the ways of the Catholic Church (including Byzantine Catholic) and Eastern Orthodox theology!

      Protestantism is not a monolithic movement, but instead expresses a range of political and theological outlooks, from the very liberal to the extremely conservative. It encompasses numerous traditions, including Lutheran (German), Presbyterian (Scottish), Calvinist (Swiss/Dutch), Methodist, and Baptist (English). Protestantism is loosely divided into two categories: the traditional mainline denominations, which tend to be more liberal or moderate, more conservative evangelical denominations, and Non-denominational Christians.

      1. Sue! I’ve been Catholic all my life! Like Iam going to convert to these un-objective Truths you claim is right, biblical, and historical!! What raspberry site!

      2. Dear Allan.

        Shalom.

        Your comment:

        What raspberry site!

        My comment:

        Which of the pages do you like best. The one with Catholics worshiping skulls, bones and corpses?

        Please let me know.

      3. Allen,

        It is not about belonging to a church your whole life. There is NO earthly institution that can save you.

        Be sure your sense of disapproval is not your own pride & false sense of security in other men ‘s teachings. I have upmost respect for those who believe wholeheartedly & sincerely in
        Jesus & His Word. Raspberry to those who look upon beautiful believers of Jesus with contempt.

        Kay

  3. About Blood I am convinced & is digested. But the body i.e. Christ the head of the body, the church and also the bread from heaven .
    Some preachers/pastors claim that word of the Bible is the Body.
    Now weather literal or not literal, please give me a simple solution as to understand.

    1. My comment was today at 1:45 am and your answers replied came at 6:55, 5:06,4:37,1:25,& 5:12 am. I thank & express my gratitude to all of you Kay, Andy & of course Ivar .
      I am in a struggle & search to know the TRUTH
      Regards
      Ronnie

      1. Ronnie, the truth is that Jesus Christ is God, He loves you, He died for our sins and resurrected from death. Believe in Jesus Christ to save you, and you’re saved. John 3:16.

        It is not by works. It is a gift.

        You study the Bible to grow in Jesus, because the Bible is the absolute Word of God.

    1. To this end it might help to point out that Jesus, quoting Deuteronomy 8:3, emphasized the importance of all of God’s word: “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God’” (Matt. 4:4). If the Bible is the word of God, then every word of it must be important, and we must consider all of it together as a whole. We must be careful not to single out just bits and pieces of it to formulate our faith.

      Going back to the proof text “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved,” we can look to other places in Scripture which also discuss what is necessary for salvation to see the fuller picture of what is required.

      For example, consider these verses:
      Not every one who says to me, “Lord, Lord,” shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven (Matt. 7:21).
      [H]e who endures to the end will be saved (Matt. 10:22; see also 24:13; Mark 13:13).
      He who believes and is baptized will be saved (Mark 16:16).
      [U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish (Luke 13:3).
      Unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God (John 3:3).
      [H]e who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day (John 6:54).
      [I]f you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved (Rom. 10:9).
      [E]very one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved (Rom. 10:13).
      [F]aith apart from works is barren (Jas. 2:20).
      Baptism . . . now saves you (1 Pet. 3:21).

      Isolated as stand-alone proofs, one could erroneously argue that just any one of these verses contains all that is necessary for salvation: Do the will of the Father; endure to the end; believe and be baptized; repent; be born anew; eat Jesus’ flesh and drink his blood; confess that Jesus us Lord and believe that God raised him from the dead; call upon the name of the Lord; have faith alive with works; be baptized. Many more could be added to this list.

      But sometimes even considering all of Scripture may not be enough to correct an erroneous proof text. That’s because Scripture itself is not completely sufficient for understanding the Christian faith in its fullness because it does not contain all of God’s revelation. John tells us, “there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written” (John 21:25).

  4. To Kay!

    So all I have to do is “accept Christ as their personal Savior,” and it’s done. You might well live a exemplary life thereafter, but living well is not crucial and definitely does not affect your salvation.

    Scripture teaches that one’s final salvation depends on the state of the soul at death. As Jesus himself tells us, “He who endures to the end will be saved” (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31–46). One who dies in the state of friendship with God (the state of grace) will go to heaven. The one who dies in a state of enmity and rebellion against God (the state of mortal sin) will go to hell.

    NOW……..Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return. The Bible says the Church is the bride of Christ (Eph. 5:23–32). Jesus can have but one spouse!

    Among the Christian churches, only the Catholic Church has existed since the time of Jesus. Every other Christian church is an offshoot of the Catholic Church. The Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from unity with the pope in 1054. The Protestant churches were established during the Reformation, which began in 1517. (Most of today’s Protestant churches are actually offshoots of the original Protestant offshoots.)

    Only the Catholic Church existed in the tenth century, in the fifth century, and in the first century, faithfully teaching the doctrines given by Christ to the apostles, omitting nothing. The line of popes can be traced back, in unbroken succession, to Peter himself. This is unequaled by any institution in history.

    Even the oldest government is new compared to the papacy, and the churches that send out door-to-door missionaries are young compared to the Catholic Church. Many of these churches began as recently as the nineteenth or twentieth centuries. Some even began during your own lifetime. None of them can claim to be the Church Jesus established.

    The Catholic Church has existed for nearly 2,000 years, despite constant opposition from the world. This is testimony to the Church’s divine origin. It must be more than a merely human organization, especially considering that its human members— even some of its leaders—have been unwise, corrupt, or prone to heresy.

    Any merely human organization with such members would have collapsed early on. The Catholic Church is today the most vigorous church in the world (and the largest, with a billion members: one sixth of the human race), and that is testimony not to the cleverness of the Church’s leaders, but to the protection of the Holy Spirit.

    1. Allen,

      Peter & Church:
      1) I love how Peter claimed Jesus to be the Messiah in Matthew 16. Jesus response to him was not: “you are Peter and upon you & all of your successors, I will build my church”. In fact, Jesus said “Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no where to lay his head” (Mt 8:20). As Jesus’ follower, I should not presume to have an earthly place to rest my head.

      Unbroken line of succession:
      we are not called to follow an unbroken line of earthly succession, but we are called to believe in the Lord Jesus.
      “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16).

      Matthew 8 – where it talks about ‘light to the world’ was a discourse to various people on a mountainside. We, believers, if we have the ‘salt’ of the Holy Spirit in us, then our deeds will be like a light to the world. There is no reference here to some earthly church.

      Each and every day, I am called to accept Jesus as my savior, and to grow in His Word. This in itself is life-long work. I praise Jesus – in one pure holy sacrifice on calvary – died for my sins and cleanses my soul with his pure blood. I – this unworthy human – am in no way able to add to this sacrifice (as RCC teaches).

      Ivar,forgive me for writing so lengthy a response. I shall stop here. Thank you. Kay

  5. The catholic establishment has only existed for 1700 years, having started with Constantine. The first Christians in Acts were not catholic, and would have rejected it completely.

    Salvation is complete by believing in Jesus Christ to save. John 3:16.

  6. Allen,

    You must live in nervousness, because you need to hire a priest to be with you 24/7 in order to be in a state of grace so your sins are forgiven. All sin separates us from God. ‘Mortal” and “venial”. Jesus died for all of them.

    I don’t recall Jesus saying for the church to be a political nation state initiating Inquisitions and killing those who don’t bow to the pope. I don’t recall Him being a politician and urging concordats to be made with governments.

    . But the harlot does make fornication with all the governments of the earth for earthly power and control.
    There is no priesthood among the Jews. It is nearly dead because there is no temple. There is only a priesthood of ALL believers with our high priest Jesus. Our only mediator. There were no “catholic” priests during the apostles day. No, tabernacles and no mass. There was a Jewish love feast.

    Allen, you follow a ‘church’ that says you can believe in space aliens are your ‘brothers.’ Are you aware of that? Or following a church that is calling for a world bank and world government? This is the resurgence of the tower of babel. The enemy is building his copy cat kingdom.

    You are following a church that says His blood wasn’t enough. You still need to pay for them in the fires of Purgatory. What an insult to our Jesus who paid for every single sin. But that is what happens when you have a sacramental system that negates the true Gospel. A system that does not give you true freedom in Christ. A system that says you never know if you are saved because you need a priest to forgive you and need to be in perfect alignment with the church..for even missing a feast day is a ‘mortal’ sin.
    No. What is mortal, is trusting that this church can save you. Only Jesus and His finished work and the blood of Christ can save a person. Believing and trusting in Him .

    1. Number 1. Here is a simple answer for Sue! Religion and State before the American Revolution (1776) and French Revolution (1798)…..they were always one body!!! Its even in the Bible Sue! Never was religion or state separate until the 1700s! Number 2, I am a Roman Catholic Priest!

      Yes, Jesus did died for all our sins, but we are human beings and imperfect and still sin! As the Bible reminds, “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:8-9). In James 5:16, God, through Sacred Scripture, commands us to “confess our sins to one another.” Notice, Scripture does not say confess your sins straight to God and only to God…it says confess your sins to one another.

      In Matthew, chapter 9, verse 6, Jesus tells us that He was given authority on earth to forgive sins. And then Scripture proceeds to tell us, in verse 8, that this authority was given to “men”…plural.

      The word “Catholic” means universal or all around in Greek. In the Roman Empire there were Christians all around!!! I’ll answer other questions later….

  7. Allen,

    There was no confessional box until the Irish monks initiated in the 6-7th centuries. We do confess our sins to one another without priests. We ask for forgiveness when we do wrong. We have small groups and confess. We also have pastors for this to get right with God. But they are not mediators.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Christianity

    http://www.bible.ca/history/eubanks/history-eubanks-19.htm

    Allen. The Catholic gospel is NOT the same gospel of the scriptures. The catholic church says priests are in “persona Cristi” or in the place of Christ. There is no ‘priesthood’ and only the priesthood of all believers.

    Of course we still sin. And the Lord forgave us for all sins, past, present and future.

    The church is a fellowship of believers, not a government to rule over. The RCC has always hated America and capitalism and can’t wait for the new world order the redistribution of wealth. They would like nothing more than to rule as during the Inquisition.

    Allen. I do pray you will come to understand the pure Gospel of Jesus Christ where you don’t need to earn your salvation, Constantine corrupted the church, added paganism and made the church “universal”. There is nothing about “catholic” in the bible or “universal” for that matter. However, that theme goes great with the world religion to come, in which the pope will head under the guise of “interreligious dialogue”.
    Will be praying for you Allen.

  8. Allen,

    Shalom. A few more things to ponder.

    1. We are not to call any spiritual man ‘Father’ the scripture says. What does the RCC say? Call priests father and call the pope “holy father’, the same title Jesus gave His Father. (blasphemy)

    2. The Lord says do not create graven images. The Catholic Catechism says it’s now okay to venerate and create them since Jesus became man. Malarkey! God’s commandment remains and bowing before them is idolatry even if you pray to the “person” behind the prototype. This sin curses to the 3rd generation.

    3. The RCC says all grace come through Mary and the catechism calls her the All Holy One in capital letters. Nonsense. There is not one righteous the bible explains, but the RCC says Mary is sinless and makes her into a goddess, sitting on a throne. “I will not share my glory with another” the Lord says.

    4. The CCC says that Muslims specifically share in Salvation and that they worship the same God as Catholics. More nonsense. Is Jesus the same as Allah? No. Do Muslims profess Christ’s divinity? No, to them he is a mere prophet.

    And that’s only a few to think about.

    In Him,
    Sue

    1. 1. We are not to call any spiritual man ‘Father’ the scripture says. What does the RCC say? Call priests father and call the pope “holy father’, the same title Jesus gave His Father. (blasphemy)

      Matt 23:8-12 *As for you, do not be called ‘Rabbi.’ You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. Do not be called ‘Master’; you have but one master, the Messiah. The greatest among you must be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

      Now doesn’t that Violate the 4th commandment of honor your father and your mother???? Also the scripture goes on…..call no one father, master, or teacher??? Your sayng Scripture tells me I have access to the Father through prayer and I need no mediatrix. So, no need of a church Pastor/teacher?? Now that would not make sense?? Jesus forbade His disciples from calling any man Abba (Father). He only forbade them from calling THEMSELVES teacher or master. Secular teachers are allowed to go by that title, just as 18th Century British Naval commanders could go as “Master and Commander” of a ship. We have as a spiritual title and violates nothing!

      2. The Lord says do not create graven images. The Catholic Catechism says it’s now okay to venerate and create them since Jesus became man. Malarkey! God’s commandment remains and bowing before them is idolatry even if you pray to the “person” behind the prototype. This sin curses to the 3rd generation.

      It is right to warn people against the sin of idolatry when they are committing it. But calling Catholics idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is based on misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and uses (both good and bad) of statues. Catholics do not worship statues or images, but those of the past!

      Example: “And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two gold statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be” (Ex. 25:18–20).

      David gave Solomon the plan “for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan” (1 Chr. 28:18–19). David’s plan for the temple, which the biblical author tells us was “by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all,” included statues of angels.

      Similarly Ezekiel 41:17–18 describes graven (carved) images in the idealized temple he was shown in a vision, for he writes, “On the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim.”

      You need to understand the difference between Worship and veneration in the historical meaning than using todays language or modern language!

      The answer lies in three words: Understood Greek terms for worship and veneration!

      1. Dulia = the honor we give to the saints. We ask them for their intercession through their prayers and we honor them for being holy men and women who lived for Christ. An example of dulia would be “Oh holy saint Anthony, pray for me so that I may be as faithful to Christ as you were Amen.”

      2. Hyper dulia = the honor that we may give to the Virgin Mary alone. She is recognized as the greatest of all the saints in terms of her intercessory power and rank. Saying a Hail Mary is an example of hyper dulia.

      3. Latria = the honor and adoration that is due to God alone. We recognize him as the creator of all things seen and unseen, as the savior of the world, and as the governor of the universe. An example of latria might be “Glory to God in the highest, Lord God heavenly king almighty God and father. We worship you, we give you thanks we praise you for your glory.”

      Thats all to answer now till tomorrow! Good Night…God bless!

      1. Dear Allen.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Now doesn’t that Violate the 4th commandment of honor your father and your mother???? Also the scripture goes on…..call no one father, master, or teacher???

        My comment:

        I had some teacher’s in school. But not in spiritual matters. In regards to faith, I have only one teacher, but I do have a lot of brother and sisters in faith. The same way, in regards to father. I have a Father in Heaven, and absolute not any spiritual fathers in the Roman Catholic Church.

        I find it so amazing, that Roman Catholics can not understand this.

        Please also write short messages. Lets take one point at the time.

      2. Dear Allen,

        Blessings and the love of Jesus to you.

        The people never bowed down before the Cherubim. It was kept from the people and only the chief priest was allowed into the temple. He was never instructed to bow before it, or “venerate” it.
        http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/idolatry.htm

        I don’t care if there are different words for worship..lesser and greater. We are to only worship Almighty God. Period.
        Anything else is compromise.

        Putting flowers and candles and adorning these images with crowns of flowers and even clothes is idolatry. People are weak and God knows this. When people start “venerating” a statue, they attribute special power to the image. Why do think there are bleeding statues, crying statues, oil coming out of them? It’s the work of demons, not the Almighty. These are lying signs and wonders.

        You have not answered about Mary as the All Holy One, Muslims being in the “plan of salvation” and the Vatican endorsing a one world government. I was thinking of the similarities between Islam and Catholicism. The RCC murdered all that refused to follow the church by using civil power through canon law. Islam is murdering those who refuse to follow Islam, by trying to enforce Sharia law in civil power. Both religions have used murder and force. Looking forward to your reply.

    1. First don’t use wikipedia! That research site is not great site to use since anybody can login to put any information about subject and think its true!

      First off! As a Catholic priest, which I am, are parish has not Confessional box or booth….I am not that old fashion! We do face to face confession.

      But why confess to a priest and just confess to God?!?

      When Jesus appeared to the apostles after his Resurrection: The Apostles are the original Bishops. Catholic Bishops are successors of the Apostles (Apostolic succession ) the priest assist in the Office of the Bishop or give authority by their bishop to give the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

      In John 20:21-23….. “Jesus said to them again “Peace be with you, As the Father has sent me, so I send you.”And, when he said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit, Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.”

      We can ask God for forgiveness, in humility, and repentance, when we pray. However, it is necessary to confess serious sin (mortal) to a priest, who is a stand-in for our Lord Jesus Christ.

      Those in other denominations who do not understand or accept the authority of the Church usually say “I can go just to God, why do I have to confess to a man.”

      Those who accept the authority of the Church find the Sacrament of Reconciliation to be very healing. The words of absolution are a great comfort.

      Also, if a person is found to not be truly repentant by the priest, then he can withhold absolution. Hopefully this would jog the person’s conscience as to coming to terms about his/her attitude.

      Also Check out:
      Reconciliation (Confession):Leviticus. 5:4-6; 19:21-22 (even under the Old Covenant, God used priests to forgive and atone for the sins of others.). Matthew 3:6,18:18, 9:6 & 8, Mark 2:7, John 20:21-23, Acts 19:18, 2nd Corinthians 5:18-19, James 5:16, 1st John 1:9-10.

      We agree in one respect. The non-Catholic doctrine of the priesthood of all believers is not an idea that the Church rejects. In fact, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says clearly that all of God’s faithful people share in the priesthood of Christ by virtue of their baptism: “Christ, high priest and unique mediator, has made of the Church ‘a kingdom, priests for his God and Father’” (CCC 1546, cf. Rev. 1:6, 5:9–10). Further, it says, “The whole Church is a priestly people. Through baptism all the faithful share in the priesthood of Christ. This participation is called the ‘common priesthood of all the faithful.’ Based on this common priesthood and ordered to its service, there exists another participation in the mission of Christ: the ministry conferred by the sacrament of holy orders, where the task is to serve in the name and in the person of Christ the head in the midst of the community” (1591). In other words, the existence of a common priesthood for all God’s people does not exclude a special calling for the pastors of the Church to be priests.

      Also perhaps you are unaware that priests in the Catholic Church are also called “Presbyters,” we still use this term….which is usually translated as “elders” in most English Bibles. They are the elders who guide the Church under the authority of the bishops (called episkopoi in the New Testament).

      Now the Catholic Church insists that a ministerial priesthood exists in the New Covenant structure of the Church. This priesthood is based on and flows from Christ’s own priesthood. Check out St. Paul’s Letter to the Hebrews. A properly ordained priest of the Church shares in a heightened and special way in the priesthood of Christ because he offers to God the same sacrifice that Jesus offered to God the Father. Jesus offered himself as the sacrifice to atone for sin (cf. 1 John 4:10; Heb. 9:12, 14, 26), and the priest today offers Jesus Christ back to the Father as the atonement for our sins.

      1. Dear Allen.

        Shalom.

        I am blessed by having a Roman Catholic priest on this site.

        I know this reply was to Sueliz, but I would also like to add some information:

        You wrote:

        Those in other denominations who do not understand or accept the authority of the Church usually say “I can go just to God, why do I have to confess to a man.” Those who accept the authority of the Church find the Sacrament of Reconciliation to be very healing. The words of absolution are a great comfort.

        My comment:

        You did not answer your own question: Can people get absolution by going directly to Jesus?

        If the answer is yes: Than, why go and seek absolution from a mediator, like a Roman Catholic priest?

      2. Allen,

        If a man calls out to the Lord and asks forgiveness is he forgiven? Even the man who stood at the temple to asked God for mercy went away justified:

        Luke 18:14
        “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

        Will God refuse forgiveness unless there is a mediator between that person and God or is Jesus Christ our only mediator between God and man?

        Is the man in the jungle who meets in home churches, hiding from persecutors, and he cries out to Him, is He forgiven? Those amazing Christians hiding out from tyrannical governments that kill any believer, martyred daily have no mass, sacraments, pomp and circumstance, no priest to confess to. They have all of Jesus and the Word. And they are blessed beyond measure.Forgiven, saved and will cast their crowns before Him.

        The Catholic church, embracing replacement theology believes they have replaced the Jews. Why do you think they put them behind a ghetto in Rome during the midevil Inquisition? Why do think they call for a Palestinian state?? God has not forgotten His people or changed His mind.

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