“This is a book of hate, not a book of love,”
Pastor Bob Old burnt two copies of the Koran in his own backyard in Springfield Tennessee, together with evangelist Danny Allen.
Old acknowledged that aside from Allen he had little other support, even from his family.
“I do this without the blessings of others,” he said.
Old did not address his critics directly, but he said that the Christian church has failed the people.
“The American people have a great deal to gain and a great deal to lose in supporting the Muslim faith,” Old said. “My belief is that we as a nation are in dangerous territory.”
“This is a book of hate, not a book of love,” Old said, holding the Quran, before setting it afire. “It’s a false book, it’s a false prophet (Muhammad) and it’s false Scripture.”
Then the two conducted what Old called a “peaceful demonstration” with little fanfare. Eight journalists gathered in Old’s backyard during the burning.
Source: Tennessean.com
Photo: Reuters.
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Seems that all these “so called pastors” love to stir up controversy, and instead should be preaching about Christ to others.
1 Peter 3:15 says: But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
We must preach about Christ with gentleness and respect.
We must preach about Christ with gentleness and respect.
Sister salam(peace)
We muslim love and follow Jesus (peace be upon him)more than any christian. We don’t eat pork, alcohol like that of Jesus. Anyway these people burn Quran but they forget to read Ezekiel 23 and please click http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/touch-bible-kjv/id329581980?mt=8
Bible is rated 12+ kaz of pornography and nudity etc.. . Please read Quran and bible both and find it out for yourself. Rest GOD knows best. if any question please go to me page on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/user/SSGPakistan?feature=mhum.
Be safe
Do not blaspheme the Holy Word of God, for the Lord Christ says: It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God. Roman 14:11
Always remember: For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 12:37
Muslims believe in the lie told from satan himself, where Mohammed says he was visited by an angel. He was visited by satan. But thank you JESUS for warning us about liars like him. 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
The quran also says to kill those who do not belive, yet JESUS CHRIST died on the cross for our sins, for whoever believe in him, shall not perish.
I will not be visiting any pages that lies, against JESUS CHRIST.
You would be wise, if you turn away from the muslim lie and pick up the HOLY WORD OF GOD, because JESUS CHRIST is coming soon!
Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire
Sibghat,
I checked out the links to the sites you suggested for us to watch.
Now won’t you please check out this youtube video. It is a powerful testimony.
A Muslim’s Conversion to Christianity – Part 1
Part 2
My comment is for Goria posted(September 16)
I don’t know what you mean that Muhammad was visited by satan. If Muhammad says that he was visited by the angel and just the same way Moses, Abrahim and other messengers were visited so does that mean that they all were visited by SATAN. Please explain what you mean? The quote you gave that Jesus warns you of liars but yet you give no quote FROM JESUS HIMSELF. You say that John 4.1 says ….. Then is it Jesus that is saying that or John who lived after the period of Jesus.
I know the phrase that JESUS CHRIST died on the cross for your sins but that does not make sense to me. The whole is full of sin and people keep on sinning day after day. Does that mean that JESUS died for only the sins of the people that lived in his time or did he die for ALL the sins that is even going to be committed. PLEASE EXPLAIN cause people would start to take advantage of your phrase and committe sin just because you say that JESUS died for your sins. You quote revelation 20:11-15 where you say that “they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done”. In this phrase you are contradicting your earlier statement. HOW CAN PEOPLE PAY FOR THEIR SINS IF JESUS ALREADY DIED FOR YOUR SINS.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom, and welcome with a very good question.
Your comment:
Does that mean that JESUS died for only the sins of the people that lived in his time or did he die for ALL the sins that is even going to be committed.
My reply:
Jesus died for all the sins of all men, past, present and future.
Does that mean than people who believe in Him, can go on sinning”
Absolutely not. But if we sin, we have a High Priest in Heaven that will plead our case. Jesus sit at the throne of our Father God in Heaven, as our ambassador.
Man can not stop sinning, and will continue to make mistakes. But when we obey Jesus, accept Him as our Master, He will give us a helper. That helper is called The Holy Spirit. This spirit will reign in our heart, and change us.Give us a desire to do our best to learn from our past mistakes, and say sorry when we do wrong.
The Bible says, without being Holy, no one will see God. Explained, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Huzaiafh,
The Holy Word of God says: 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
The bible was written by prophets chosen by GOD, and the prophets were direct by the HOLY SPIRIT.
And I agree with Ivar completely: Jesus died for all the sins of all men, past, present and future.
Sister gloria to your last comment… our prophet to was a PROPHET OF GOD Choosen by god to write our QURAAN…( WHY YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IT ONLY GOD KNOWS) LOL so now i know y christians feel it ok to commit sins coz on the judgement day they know jesus ( GOD )will intervene. BUT WHY intervene when he is god… can he not just give all paradise… since he is so merciful?????
Brother IVAR does this mean that the christian who do believe in christ as god( who supposedly have helpers)…does not have a helper, thats y they commit crimes….
Huzaifah,
You said: i know y christians feel it ok to commit sins coz on the judgement day they know jesus ( GOD )will intervene. BUT WHY intervene when he is god… can he not just give all paradise… since he is so merciful?????
Many people call themselves Christians and sin. Which is why I tend to just say I am a complete believer of Jesus Christ. It is written in God’s word:
Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven
all christian will enter hell.
Dear Ali.
Shalom.
Thanks for commenting on this blog:
You wrote:
all christian will enter hell.
My reply:
At least you believe in Hell. All sinners that are not saved will end up there.
How has Muhammad saved you?
Did he pay for your sins?
You are a sinner, and in your sins your will be separated from God Almighty in Heaven. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse you from your sins, and save you. This is the truth.
Ali,
God is the only one who can and will judge.
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
May Peace be unto all (Muslims and Christians and others)!
There is no need to argue, debate and insult others since we are all God-fearing, Am I Right? Personally, as a convert to Islam, other people should not immediatly conclude things which are beyond their understandings.
We, the Muslims (believers in Arabic) must be patient, and do pray to Almighty Allah that our misled Christian friends would be enlightened just as how we in the family found the truth in Islam.
Too much for creating turmoil due to some unislamic and evil acts committed by some either in Islam or Christianity.
God has been testing us all. The real culprits here should have been the PAstors who burnt the Holy Qur-an and the Al-Qaeda or other people who have the evil interests.
For you to find the truth about Islam (specially to Gloria), kindly visit this site: http://www.islamicbulletin.org/services/new_muslims.htm
and read the articles there specially the story of former Baptist Minister Skip Estes (now Yusuf Estes)who were identified Anti-Muslim and Anti-Islam before..The guidance of God came with him so with us.
Why argue and not condem those people who could afford to kill, ignite conflict and real culprits of Peace?
Let us join hands in promoting peace and brotherhood.
Let us put our shoes to other shoes..
God did not instruct us to build enemies and fight but promote love, care and peace to His creations (whether you are Muslim or Christian or not).
May God bless and guide us to the right path.God bless all.
This is to reply to your comment!
1. The quran does not say kill those who do not believe if so please state which chapter and verse do not believe in rumours believe in facts. Infact the quran teaches you the totall opposite it teaches you to help those to believe not kill them!
2. Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) said there will be one last prophet after him and that is indeed Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him)
3. Islam teaches us to respect one and other
4. Islam believes in four books one being the bible but however you get people who totally changes the words of the bible and call it the new testament. Dont forget the old testament was the actual book.
If you have anything else you would like to say please do not hesitate to message me back. Islam is a peacefull religion, dont blame the religion blame the people who give islam a bad name just so people can totally think wrong of it!
Shakira,
You said to give you a verse that says to kill non believers: Quran (2:191-193) -“And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]…and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”
But CHRIST WARNED US ABOUT FALSE TEACHERS LIKE THIS BEFOREHAND. THANK YOU JESUS FOR YOU ARE GREAT. 2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Allah is a lie from the devil. And I feel bad that you believe in such a lie. I will pray that Christ touches your heart.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Good you came to help me. We are having more than 11.000 people visiting this blog today. We have been blessed with 9.000 souls who believe that Muhammad told the truth about Jesus.
Ivar,
This is a good thing. Hopefully God’s word and God will touch their hearts.
Sister gloria if you are going to qoute from our quraan do it properly do not use what you want just to prove a point.
Sura 2 : 190
Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, BUT NOT TRANSGRESS LIMITS ; FOR ALLAH LOVES NOT TRANGRESSORS.
Sura 2 : 191
And slay them where ever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for persucution is worse than slaughter but fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first ) fight you there; but if they fight you , slay them
Sura 21 : 192
But if they cease, Allah is oft forgiving. Most merciful.
This verses state you fight those who fight you first… but if a compromise can br met.. take it coz allah does not like war….
And if they surrender then forgive bcoz allah is forgiving.
Huzaifah,
I’m only coping and pasting what you believe:
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
The whole book is filled with lies, because only JESUS CHRIST CAN SAVE AND BRING JUDGMENT.
Jude 1 says: verse 14-16
14Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.” 16These men are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
Here again sister gloria you do not qoute the verses bafore which inform you why thats written…. You just choose verses that suits you to make a point….
Anyway… you believe in jesus as god … i will believe him to be a messenger……..
For thoses who read the quraan will know its a way of life and promotes peace…
Slander muhammed as much as you want but you cant change the fact that he was a humble man… and a prophet of god…
I make dua that Allah forgives you coz you know not what you talk…And you have been led to assume what you think is true
Brother ivar… hopefully God will show you the right path… once you try to figure out who u actually praying to FATHER< SON < OR HOLY SPIRIT.
PEACE BE UPON YOUR"LL
WAS SALAAM
Huzaifah,
Again, God and Jesus, and the holy spirit are one John 10:30
Your mohammed was just a man like we all are Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
But because Christ died for us (Thank you Jesus!) 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
gloria that verse was not said by jesus thiko but by peter hahahahahahahahaha (scum)
Hi Gloria
If you look up joshua evans and see what he mentions about the bible follow the link. I hope it helps I just watched it it is quite inspirational!
Link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYMKQKSV0bY
Dear Jed.
Shalom, and thanks for giving us a link.
This man was never a follower of Jesus. He was raised a United Methodist, and he clearly states: “I hated Church as a kid”.
He was raised by his grandparents, and states that he did not like his grandparents trying to stop him from sinning.
The video is 1 hour of 20 minutes. Please give us links for video’s that are shorter.
gloria….
i was just reading your comments i am really offended by them…as you blieve in jesus… jesus had love for everyone he didnt hate anyone as much as you hate muslims… another fing ur co m8 ivar wot ever there callled says prophet muhannad married a 6years old girl wot bullshit they on about..indat case wot do you say bout ur preists who sleep with young children who cum to learn from them?( pedofiles)also tell me you gys beieve the trinity wot ever the father the son the holy spirit…i was told when i was in skool that the father became the son and the spirit its a long story but at the end it said that he then was killed on the cross he was crucifid(simple logic you kill someone how can they be alive????)lolz god killed himself how can he be alive..tell me now you gona say we believe he was taken to haven….fair enough muslims also believe that he was taken up he didnt die and he will return…another fing da bible its not the word of christ da christains have alterd it all and took out the bits and bobs they didnt like and replaced it wot they liked and they named it example 1peter 3:15 like dat many others perter, john, jack, all these names..clarify me on this please how can you worship something that you have creatd with your own hands…example god is all powerful yeah you guys go and bow 2pcs of wood joint 2gether to make a cross, n the statue of jesus up high on the wall if i lit the 2pc wood it will burn coz it cannot move and if i break the statue it will break remember god is all powerful..im sorry for you coZ islam is the fastes growing religion in the world..and someone is quoted that quran says kill a non muslim.. whoever that was i jus wanna lt you no that you shud read the quote carefuly there shud be a reason why the quran says dat… it is an esasy fing to pin point fings at others by a few nonsense facts…i am a muslim and i am pround of being a muslims… just a big thank you to all of you christains and non muslims thnk you for making us muslims the centre of your worlds..your always finking bout us its rely kind of you…they say the dog never stops barking….thats wot you gys do. over all muslims love and respect all religions eventhou they are misled..a person cannot change wot you fink or believe but to tell you wots right and wrong…after all u r responsible for wot u do no1 else will take ur blame( for christains not even jesus)u are responsilbl 4 ur own actions… thanks to all and i hope i havent offended anyone if i did i am very sorry….
gloria no grdjez kinds regards sfm
ur a reasonable fool, ur words make no sense,
your comment from earlier.-
you are the most stupidest person ever,
how the fuck , was muhammad visited by the devil?how does it say kill those that dont believe?
You OBVIOUSLY have’nt read the quran, and your blatantly chatting out your ARSE.
im not even gonna say much to you, but boyyyyyyy i feel for you. One day, don’t worry. you will know.
Eventually all of you fooolish people will know.
‘and you know what babeee, go check it on the internet or buy a quran and read it before you chat shit, fucking lieing cunt,
Dear all followers of Muhammad.
Shalom.
Gloria can not answer 10 Muslims attacking her. Please give her a break. We have now answered almost 200 questions, and we need some rest. I am about to close down this debate.
Please do not insult each other. As Muslims you are supposed to love and care for people who disagree with you.
Ella, you said it right onto her face!!! She is damn stupid woman….
Dear Tony Ja.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
If you have nothing fruitful to say, stay offline. The next message from your hand will become spam. Now I have warned you in advance.
Gloria & all,
After reading various comments all i can say is that Pastor is disgracing the christianity faith, islam is all about peace, love and harmony. Now, all you brother and sisters on this forum (muslims) why rise to these disbelievers, who are so aragant and dont have any shame, Gloria… i wiosh you all the best in life my friend, with your versus from the Bible, but let me just tell you something,,,,,,ISLAM is the largest growing religion in the WORLD…why….
Also please can you tell me where you read about the Quran stating to KILL disbelievers, may be the holy bible states killing and priests becoming pedo’s (no disrespect) but any way no rise to it all
The devil likes high body counts. By turning people against Christ he ensures their destruction. Now you claim to be a religion of peace and love but what peace and love is their in eternal death?
Muslim,
Islam is not about peace and love, and harmony. Islam is one huge lie, created by the devil. You can choose to believe what you want, but the bible the Holy Word of God is the complete truth from beginning to end.
Unfortunately, Islam is growing at an alarming rate, but thank you Jesus because there is still time for those who do not believe in Christ to repent and be saved.
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Has he ever actually read the Quran? Or is he judging the Quran by the actions of its followers (who are mere mortals and therefore imperfect)?
Sha I posted a verse from the Quran (2:191-193) where it says to murder the nonbelievers.
JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD, foretold us how liars like Mohammed would come. Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mohammed, and the muslims false god allah is a lie from the devil. Please read the HOLY BIBLE-THE WORD OF GOD, and seek Christ and you will see the truth.
OMG Either u blind…. or just stupid… no where is it wriitten kill non believers…..
No wer is the word non believers….
WHO IS MATHEW THAT YOU LISTEN TO…???
JESUS DID NOT SAY IT>>>> MATHEW DID>>> MATHEW WAS NO AROUND WHEN JESUS WAS LIVING…WHY BELIEVE HIS WORDS
lol dont make me laugh gloria.
Wat does luke 19 v.27 say?? 🙂
next time u type lies out of context remember to read that verse
Dear Bronco.
Shalom.
Read Luke 19, where Jesus is sharing a parable about an earthly King.
Jesus said His kingdom if not of this World. He did never approve of violence, and told his followers to love and bless their enemies. No follower of Jesus had the right to physically harm a Muslim.
But our message about Jesus will hurt you. Because all Muslims are sinners that needs to be saved by Jesus. If He will not save them, all Muslims will end up in Hell. This is the truth.
hey gloria give us the original copy of the bible n we will read it.muslims believe and respect all books of allah.the psalms, the torah, the bible, the quran. the only reason muslims believe in the quran is coz its a complete word of allah. its not been altered meaaning theres no john, jack or peter in there..its one comlete word of god..tell me one thing your christ was being hanged on the cross as being the god did he not no that was coming….i am sorry but you really suck..gloria can i ask you something do you dress up like a nun or as a prostitute… do lt us no
coz i cant relly figure out and also if your at home or a mental hospital….
sfm,
You only need to pick up the HOLY BIBLE, and you will see God’s Word is true. You can also go to http://www.biblegateway.com
If you open up your heart, you too can see the love Christ has for you.
God Bless
Huzaifah, the bible was written in direction with the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 3:15
And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
Notice where it says the wisdom given him.
so its his wisdom… jesus never said it… how long ago was it that peter lived after the death of christ…Here again how do you know its true… They said god choose them .How do we know its true??? We know jesus and muhammed are messengers from god… Because our quraan which was revealed via muhammed states it.???
I can say according to the wisdom given to me…and give advice does that make me A messenger of god.
Huzaifah
The Holy Spirit, God and Jesus are one John 10:30
Spiritual Wisdom is from Jesus Christ. If you accept Jesus Christ as your savior, you can have spiritual wisdom.
Colossians 1:9
And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding,
gloria
i wonder what you lot call a spirit…i dont know why but it sounds more like jinns and spirits which lead to satan and no doubt you are born a devil. you are going to be in the depths of hell…burn in hell gloria
Dear Sarwat Fatima.
Sfm uk.
Shalom.
Let me remind you that man is not suppose to curse others. When you curse Gloria, you bring a curse up on your own head.
Jesus have told all who believe in Him, that many people will laugh when they hear our message, redicule us, mock us, and even harm us physically. It is a price of telling the truth about Jesus being the only gate to Heaven.
But some will believe. Even Muslims will submit to Him, and He will save them.
SFM,
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. Only JESUS CHRIST can bring judgement.
Revelation 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Sorry gloria but replyinh to what you told… me does that mean you a messenger of god because you believe his you saviour… thats rediculous.
And you haven’t answered my questions… Where does it say that whwt peter , paul,and john say is true??? why do you believe them???
Huzaifah
Shalom.
You wrote:
Where does it say that what Peter, Paul ,and john say is true??? why do you believe them???
My reply:
This question should be returned. Why do you believe Muhammad”? How do you know that what He said is true?
If I say the sun is shining, you have a chance to control this. When Jesus said that if you Bless your enemies, I will bless you, you can very much test if this is true. But not before you have blessed your enemies.
If you keep on cursing your enemies, you will never be able to find the truth.
Because our quraan says it… our quraan says jesus is a messenger and so is muhammed ( S.A.w )…….
None of your scriptures says anything that says believe peter , paul, and john… Peter, Paul, john tell you that god told them they are messengers
You to remember what jesus says… because by you putting islam down… you will never find the truth…
sit back and try and answer questions we have asked… and you will see , you cant answer them…
coz your bible has no answers
salaam s
peace be upon you
Sorry, Ivar. I don’t know how the video showed up here…I just posted the link. Maybe you can fix it? There is a part 1 and part 2.
the bible kind of confuses me as a fellow Christian I don’t really understand it there’s many many copies and re written versions ? Somebody please explain
Dear Kelly.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
This is one of the Jihad verses in the Koran. You can read, and judge for your self.
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
Kelly,
Revelation 22 says:
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
dear kelly…
dont listen to ivarfjed whoever they are they have been mislead and they gona burn hell…becarefull they mite take you with them… i would advise you to look up the bible and the quran and the other books too and consider yourself which one is right..like you said there are many versions and copies…and non of it is the word god or jesus its all man made by peter jonh,matthew.the quran is the complete word of god no one has altered it….may you be guided to the right path
Dear Sarwat Fatima.
sfm.uk.
Shalom.
You wrote:
i would advise you to look up the bible and the quran and the other books too and consider yourself which one is right.
My comment:
Since you are so sure that people who believe in Jesus will burn in Hell, why do you want Muslims to read the Bible?
Anyhow, this is a good advice. The topic behind this interesting debate, is that neither the Koran nor any Bible should be burnt. These are book that should be studied.
sfm,
Only God can judge.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
This man will be severly punished for his actions! As a pastor he suppose to promote peace! Allah will punish him! We as muslims respect the bible and respect Jesus(p.b.u.h)! We take him to be a Prophet of Allah! We have peace and respect for christianity! This man is completely out of line by burning the quraan!
Naazia,
You believe a lie told by the devil himself. Please seek Christ and you will know the truth.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15 E
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
sfm,
I am not catholic, nor do I follow the pope. I believe ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST, and he is the only one I follow.
Candels in church? Are you confusing us with catholics, because Ivar and I ONLY BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST. Catholics elevate Mary and worship her as a statue.
I believe in my LORD JESUS CHRIST ONLY.
dear gloria
is not people who believe in jesus is the people who believe he is the god. they will burn in hell.also who believe he is the son of god… as muslims we believe god is one and has no partners not a son not a wife..and saying worshipping a cement statue is shrik… so get your facts right… and plus you guys change the bible everyother day in couple of years time if your pope fell in love with a man couple of months later in the bible it will be ok to marry a man and have a relationship with a man to man… no offence it will happen…
ivar… i want muslims to read the bible because then they will know who you are.. and just to clrify we believe in all the original books…ok i hope it answers your question…also i have a question is why do you have candels in the church is it because your god cant see you or you cant see your god?????
Dear Sarwant Fatima.
Shalom.
You wrote:
if your pope fell in love with a man couple of months later in the bible it will be ok to marry a man and have a relationship with a man to man.
My reply:
I know that it is not easy for Muslims to understand that the Pope is not a Christian. You might know that the Catholic faith permits worship of idols of stone and wood. In regards to the Pope, I feel he is a false teacher. Because the Bible to not permit worship of idols. God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel demands to be worshiped in spirit and in truth.
You guys are the most ignorant people i have ever come across.
To start of, Pastor Bob is just another human being that seeks attention. He is another pastor that touches little kids.
Jesus, or Propher ISA in Islam, did not die on the Cross, please do your research
ISLAM is the fastest growing religion in the world. 1/4 person you see is devoted to the faith.
In Islam we believe in the bible,and in Jesus but then men came along and rewrote the bible to make it false. Thats why another prophet came along and God said “This is the only book that will not be re-written” Anyways, you guys got PWNED.
Sister Gloria,
You seem to have more hate than love inside you are you sure SATAN hasn’t overtaken you?, is this what chritianity teaches you?
You can not be true CHRISTIAN, true chritians are peace loving people just like MUSLIMS! go to PEACE CHANNEL and learn you Zionist!¬!¬
Mohammed,
Because I speak the truth, which is the HOLY BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD, you think Satan has overtaken me? It is you who are believing in the devil’s lies.
The Lord has shown me many things in my short life, and believe this CHRIST IS COMING SOON. And if you do not repent, the bible tells us what will happen on judgment day.
Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
omg gloria you are a nonsense person i have known…. you believ that jesus died to take away our sins then why will the peole be thrown in hell…or the lake of fire…i think when you say if anyones name was not found in the book they will b thrown in the lake of fire you are referring this to your self as your going to be in hell…..ohhhhhh
Dear Sarwat Fatima.
Shalom.
Gloria is telling you the truth. There is a eternal lake of fire, that Jesus spoke about. He warned people about disobeying God the Father, Who has the power to throw both your body and soul into this fire of Hell.
But neither the Father, nor the Son wants any Muslim to end up in this place. This place is prepared for the devil. Unfortunately he has many children, that will end up there because they refused to repent and believe in Jesus, God the Son.
Sfm,
True believers of Jesus Christ are saved, because they’ve accepted his salvation John 3:16
Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
You too can be saved, if you believe in JESUS.
Revelation 20: 11-15 The Book of Life are the names of people who have truly accepted Christ as their savior.
this guy is a fucking joke….
why do you people think that more christians and non believers revert into ISLAM? simply its the true religion…
when jesus was crucified he was replaced by the the sun GOD RAMA… all you zionists know this… but remember ISLAM will win no matter what… it is said in the holy quran…
Dear all Muslim readers.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Thank you for visiting this blog in several thousands during the last 24 hour.
I just have to bless you with the true love that is available for every human being. – Jesus loves you. He is not a mortal man, He is God the Son. You have a Father in Heaven, and you can become his child by surrender to the Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.
Second: I do not support burning of the Koran. I want all to read this book, and see that Muhammad tells us to cripple and kill people who do not believe in Him.
As salaam wa aliakum
Regarding you second statement:
I dont know what book you reading but what i read no wer is that written…
The Koraan was not written by Muhammed ( S.A.W ).It is the book of GOD which was revealed to Muhammed ( S.A.W
)
Have you read up on our Prophets life??
You dont know him how can you make such accusations. Read one of your own Christian praising him coz he was a humble man.
A CHALLENGE TO ALL WHO DISLIKE MUHAMMED (S.A.W)
READ THE BOOK
The Most Influential Man in History
from the book by Michael Hart
Can you please send me proof of the statements you claim is in the book.
OUR KORAAN IS A WAY OF LIFE>>> IT GUIDES YOU
It is funny that all you guys who believe in both religions Muslims and Christians have so much hatred for one another. It is as if whatever you have been told in your sacred books has had no effect on you. It even worse to see that Christians take for truth the bible and then say that the Quran is a lie because it is predicted by the bible (of course) and the same goes for the Muslims who says that the Christians are lying because it is said so in the Quran (of course!). You have all been brainwashed since you are kid and see the world in only one perspective. The funnier part is where you start talking about Satan… I am still asking myself why god created him if I were to believe he (Satan) exists. Question goes to the Muslim about their argument that the holy books of the past were modified … so that the only truth comes from The Prophet Muhammed .. if god is all knowing then he was totally aware that the Jews and the Christians would modify his words well before… yet he decided to let all this confusion happen and let all of his children in not knowing what to believe! And to those who says the bible is the only true word… it was once stated in the bible that the earth is the centre of the world, that the sun and all the planets goes round the earth! what madness! They changed it since the Copernicus and Galileo proved that this is not the case… so the Bible has been modified countlessly in the past and will continue to be so in the future! The heaven you are all trying to reach … is here and now on this earth … if you were to love each other and to lived a life of truth then you will enjoy it by being humble and help each other …then the heaven is here and now
Dear rvz.
Shalom.
You wrote:
It is funny that all you guys who believe in both religions Muslims and Christians have so much hatred for one another.
My reply:
I sincerely regrets that you feel this way. Followers of Jesus that hates their enemy, will most likely not make it to the Kingdom of Heaven. They will be in need of repentance, and change their style.
The message of Jesus, is only about love. But there can be no love, outside of the truth. Sometime the truth is hard to face. That there is a devil, and that many people have chosen to listen to his lies.
Joka,
Please do not use nasty language.
astaghfirullah, thanks Allah swt you can teach me how to see the world
i love being muslim!
ALLAH will protect HIS Holy Quran.
I second you on that.
iv just heard that this pastor just died in a fatal car crash
Dear Abdul.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Several Muslim readers have tried to publish this kind of message today, that Pastor Bod has died in an accident. This is a rumor.
Jesus in God the Son. Those who reject Him as Master, will have to spend eternity in Hell. The Koran says Allah does not have a son. So Islam is not the truth.
So sad to hear that pastor bobs death was a rumor, wish it was true…it would have been a punishment from Allah for his disgusting act of burning the Quraan. his behaviour is worse than that of an animal.
Dear Muslim readers.
Shalom, and love in Jesus, God the Son.
The Koran says that Allah did not begot a son. That is not the truth. Jesus is our creator, God as likewise as God our Father of Heaven and Earth.
We are about to cross 10.000 visitors on this blog in 24 hours. The large majority of viewers today are Muslims. I just want to tell you that Jesus loves all of you. Give your life to Him, and you will live forever in the Kingdom of Heaven.
Dear Disgusting behavior.
Shalom.
Let me assure you that no true followers of Jesus will ever burn a Koran. We who have Jesus as Master believe in the freedom of expression, and the freedom to read any kinds of books.
But we will not agree that the Koran is a Holy Book. Because it brands Jesus only as a mortal prophet. Jesus is much more than that. He is the creator of all Muslims. Father, Son and Spirit is One God the Almighty.
Stop quoting from the bible, you are one confused person and as a result you are confusing every one else…..STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH!!!!! JUST FACE IT….YOU HAVE NO VALID ANSWERS TO OUR OPINIONS.
You say that no true believers would burn the Quraan so I take it that pastor bob is not a true christian.
As salaam Wa aliakum
I love Prophet Essa( Jesus)as he is one of the messengers of Allah.
But how can you say Jesus created us…. How is it Adam and eve was made before jesus if jesus was god… And if you still think Jesus is god … why was he only born so late?? Jesus used to tell his companions peace be upon you when meeting… Why dont christians do that… ( as salaam wa aliakum meaning peace be upon you…)
Jesus Christ does love you, and because he died on the cross for our sins, proves that is love is the GREATEST.
All muslims can repent, and seek God and you shall know the truth.
Please seek Christ, and you will know that the devil has told likes about a false god allah, and mohammed who was a rapist and a murderer.
Luke 13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
You must not be to harsh with our Muslim visitors.
It is true that Muhammad married a girl when she was six years of age. She left her fathers house to stay with Muhammad when she was nine.
I wounder how Muslims can approve of such?
Yes, Ivar I wonder how muslims can justify that type of horrible behavior in a man (mohammed-a liar) they choose to follow.
Ivarfjeld, where did you get this bullshit info that our prophet married when he was 6…you are such a pervert and a sick SOUL.
Get your facts straight.
SORRY IVAR AND GLORIA BUT I LOVE MY RELIGION…. IM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM
IVAR ATLEAST MUHAMMED MARRIED the women NOW DAYS CHRISTIAN RATHER SLEEP AROUND INSTAED OF GETTING MARRIED>>>>
HOW IS IT JESUS WAS BORN??? IF I DID NOT BELIEVE MY QURAAN>>> THEN I WOULD ASSUME MARY HAD SLEPT WITH SOMEONE AND FELL PREGNANT BEFORE MARRIAGE… THE MAN YOU CALL GOD….
UNLIKE YOU AND GLORIA JESUS NEVER SAID BAD OF ANYONE>>>>YOU DO NOT HAVE PROOF THAT OUR PROPHET IS AS TERRIBLE AS YOU MAKE HIM SEEM OUR QURAAN DOES NOT SPEAK BAD OF ANY PROPHETS>>>
IF YOU READ YOU WOULD SEE>>> ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD THEY WOULD TELL You HE WAS A HUMBLE MAN>>>
BUT YOU RATHER ASSUME BECAUSE YOU AFRAID WE ARE RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG
Gloria!!! you and Ivar should do us all a favour and ask pastor old to burn your’ll in his backyard. Your’ll are disturbed souls
Disgusting,
You apparently do not know to much about mohammed if you didn’t know he married a little girl.
I agree with Ivar. NO TRUE BELIEVER OF CHRIST would ever burn a koran, for Jesus Christ says
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
And as to Huzaifah, Mohammed was a murderer. But while there is breath in your lungs, you can repent and accept to Christ.
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
Stop promoting christianity…even if I have the last breath, I will still follow Islam, I love my religion far too much.
Face it, muslims are winners, I know its difficult to accept but sooner or later you WILL come to your senses.
Disgusting,
I ONLY SERVE CHRIST- BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY WAY.
John 3:16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Hopefully one day soon, you will see the truth. I hope and pray.
John 12:48
The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
wont you just give up Gloria, you gonna tire yourself….you are fighting a losing battle here dear
Disgusting
I will never get tired of JESUS CHRIST BECAUSE ALL GLORY GOES TO HIM FOR ALL HE HAS DONE FOR ME.
AND JESUS CHRIST HAS ALREADY WON.
Revelation 19 verse 11:21
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Well I make dua that Allah guides all of you non-believers on the right path…
Are your’ll gonna be quoting the entire bible and if so, which version and edition as there is always a new one written.
Dear Disgusting behaviour
Shalom, and thanks for this comment.
You are perfectly right. The latest print of the Bible, have serious flaws. But not because of the Word of God. This is man made errors. In fact, it is the enemy of our soul who is behind this.
I have 11 version of the Bible in my office. 98 per cent of the text are similar, but there are some minor differences.
How is this possible?
The Original scriptures were written by Jews. They wrote in Hebrew. Later it was translated into Greek, and further into Latin. First 650 years ago the Bible was translated into English. We who are Christians must take our studies of the Bible seriously.
Disgusting,
There is only ONE TRUE VERSION OF GOD’S WORD THE HOLY BIBLE.
Christ said: Revelation 22 says: 18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
If the bible is the word of god, it should have been 100% the same as it was revealed, irrespective of the language and translation….that is just an excuse.
The Quraan is the same as it was revealed to our Prophet right down to punctuation marks.
Dear Disgusting behaviour.
Shalom, and thanks for making this site an interesting place of debate.
You are right. The Word of God is 100 pert correct, and eternal. But If I today tried to translate an English Koran in to Danish, and published it. Would it still be the correct teachings of Muhammad?
Disgusting,
Who said the bible is not 100% correct? I believe it’s correct from beginning to end, because I believe in JESUS CHRIST.
Your book quaran is lies from a man who was a liar, and he believed satan the father of all lies (John 8:44)
2 Corinthians 11 says: 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Yes Ivar, it would be the same provided the correct people are translating it. No tom dick or harry should translate it.
There are people who have studied the language and the HOLY QURAAN and will be able to translate 100% correctly.
And furthermore, I look at it as: the one who has to translate it, is chosen by Allah so as not to make the slighest of error of translating. Every thing happens with the WILL OF ALLAH.
Disgusting,
If you read the Holy Word of God, with an open heart, and repent, you too can be saved.
John 6:38-40 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
yes ivar, it would remain exactly the same provided the correct people translate it. One should have studied the language thoroughly.
LOL!!!!! Gloria darling, please read the texts properly before commenting… your dear brother ivar said that he has 11 in his office and the text is 98% similar, I quote “98% similar”
saved from what gloria????? psychos like you
I leave your’ll in the hands of Allah, May He guide all of those who have gone astray.
Islam is the only true religion, there is none worthy of worship but Allah and our Prophet was the final messenger.
This, I take with me till the day I die and on the day of judgement.
Ivar and Gloria, your’ll are fighting a losing battle, we muslim brothers and sisters will always stand by our religion…no matter what.
May Allah guide your’ll, Insha Allah.
Wasalaam
alhamdulillah,
dear gloria! none of these prophets were nun’s so why r you, is it because you can’t find anyone’ or your lookin for a young girl/boy.
GLORIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU F****N PSYCHOTIC SHIT!!!!!!!!!!
YOU WILL BURN IN THE FIRE OF HELL FOR CALLING OUR PROPHET A RAPIST AND MURDERER!!!!
I THINK YOU ARE IVER’S MISTRESS….THAT’S WHY YOU ARE LIKE AN ECHO FOR HIM..
Disgusting Behaviour,
I speak the truth, and he was both.
As to your other comment, I am a born again believer. Jesus Christ is everything to me, and I do my best everyday to follow his commandments.
He is the only one who will bring judgment on me, you, and the rest of the world.
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
I cannot believe that this talk is still carrying on!!!!
It’s such a waste to talk to Ivar and Gloria!!! It’s clear that they will never understand
Dear disgusting behavior.
Shalom.
Well, you felt the need to prolong the debate.
Who forced you to come online?
May Jesus one day become your guiding light. He is the light of the World. Amen.
No one forced me, it was out of curiousity just to see if your’ll are still fighting a losing battle
Disgusting,
It is no losing battle, for Jesus has already won.
Revelation 20:
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Disgusting,
The battle has already been won by Jesus.
Revelation 19
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Clearly u know absolutely nothing about Islam, if you would consider yourself a spiritual person then open your mind to the possibility that u are ignorant to the teachings of Islam. i would suggest you go to a local mosque and ask for someone to guide you,or at least inform you more of Islam because clearly even your normal readers would realise, you are very misguided.
Salaam!
Neither ISLAM nor CHRISTIANITY nor any other Religion teaches us to hate or discriminate. Don’t let this Pastor build hate between ISLAM and CHRISTIANITY. Revenge could steal a man’s life until there was nothing left but emptiness! This Pastor needs to analyse and accept only what makes sense- ISLAM, the one true Religion!
May ALLAH (s.w.t) accept the ‘ibaadats’, efforts and intentions, big or small, of every Muslim believer. May He reward us infinitly.
May our Imaan (faith) withstand all trials. May our patience increase immensly. *Ameen Yaa Rabb-il Alameen!*
Prophet Isa (pbuh) will come to Earth and prove all non-believers wrong. This will be a sign of Qiyamah (Judgement Day) Also, all verses of the Qur’an will disappear. Only those who believe in Allah, His book and His Prophet, will be able to re-write the Qur’an. This Pastor has triggered us, Dear Muslims, we need to recite the Qur’an as much as possible.
Asalam aleikum!
Dear Layali
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You are a sinner, and you need to be saved form the coming wrath of God. Muhammad is dead and gone. He can not save you.
Jesus paid for the sins of the World, to save mankind form their deserved destiny in the flames of Hell. Only He can save you. He is alive, and He will soon return and judge the World.
Look at the World. Its full of evil, injustice and wickedness. Muslims killing Muslims in the name of ‘Allah” is one sure proof that Islam is a false religion.
Amen Ivar! Amen.
Jesus is coming very soon!
ivarfjeld and the devil gloria
tell us something why is your jesus up in the heaven why does he not come and sort you out i mean theres lots of things going on the cruption, the poverty.the floods, the earthquakes. the herrocaine and all hese natural disasters. tell me. also your statement muslim killing muslim… well you bloody christains kill muslims and the bloody jews kill muslims that dont forget that your jesus was killed by his christians of that time… what did his so called followers did was just stood there and watched him like an epsoid of prision break was on….you and your co christains friends disgust me…honestly you guys are a black stain in the name of christanity
Dear Sarwat Fatima.
Shalom, and thanks for being active on this site.
You admit that Muslims are killing Muslims. My question is: When both this group claims to be true followers of Muhammad and do kill shouting “Allah is Great”, who of them are right?
I have earlier explained that Jesus do not permit his followers to harm anyone. You must agree that not all who claim to follow Muhammad are true followers. Likewise, there are surely people who claim to know “Jesus”, who makes a mockery out of his teachings.
Sfm,
If you read the Holy Word of God, you woud see that poverty, floods, earthquakes, are signs that will increase, all leading to the arrival of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Some of the signs are:
“And you will be hearing of wars an rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines, and pestilence’s and earthquakes. “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.” Matthew 24:3-8
“And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth the distress of nations, with great perplexity, over the sea and the roaring of the waves.” Luke 25:2
Jesus said that once you see these things happen, you know that is coming is near.
God Bless
Seriously burning the quran is sooooo childish. u might hate muslims buut y ruin innocent peoles lives nd burn their holy book. Do u see us buring the Bible we respect ur religion buut not likee u peoplee who dnt caree like srslii i expect us to not terrorise ur country buut u can BURN or holy book
u mitee not beleivee in islaam but atleast respect our religion
Dear Madina.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Seriously burning the quran is sooooo childish.
My reply:
I totally agree. Jesus would never permit his followers to burn the Koran. He would tell them to read the Koran, and find out if Muhammad is a true or false prophet. In a similar way all Muslims should get them selves a Bible, and find out if the Bible is the truth.
he is right
wot a stupid idea that jesus died for your sin, it means i can fuck your mother but still i will forgiven… Wakeup dum ass and put your acts right…. Atleat get agreed to a single bible every couple of year you keep changing them…. I hate to a christian, someone pls get me out of this mess
Dear Kaldino
Shalom, and welcome to this site of free expression.
I can not approve of your filthy language. The truth is that what ever sexual sins you have committed, when you surrender to Jesus, the penalty for those sins will be canceled by Him.
This is good news. Listen to Him, and Obey Him. And you shall not perish. Amen.
Let me tell u something as a Muslim we to believe that jesus will be the prophet to come back to earth and save us. And many more thing. Please do not allow ur mind to be so narrow and let there b space for knowledge for knowledge can not harm and is a very powerful thing. Please study Islam not the ppl as I would tell any fellow Muslim to study Christianity and not the ppl because pator bob is a disgrace to all Christians simple. Hope that helped u a little
Dear Zen
Shalom.
You wrote:
Let me tell u something as a Muslim we to believe that jesus will be the prophet to come back to earth and save us.
My reply:
The Bible says: if you say with your mouth, and believe in your heart that Jesus has risen from the dead, you shall be saved.
He was crucified, died, and rose again for our justification.
God hates all sin and the only way to have a relationship with God is to NEVER sin – which is impossible. Jesus was God’s idea not man’s. Jesus, fully God and fully man, lived a perfect, sinless life and was crucified for all sin – your sin and mine. It does not make sense that God would love men and women so much that he would send His Only Son to die for us so that we could have a realationship with Him. It makes even less sense that one would continue to mock Jesus for this great sacrifice rather than fall at his feet in prayer, and thank Him for dying in your place, and ask for forgiveness to have every doubted his sacrifice. Jesus was resurected from the dead as proof postive that we who believe this will not die but have etrnal life. Believe this and ask for the Holy Spirit to change your life and stop doubting. Not believing in Jesus as the Messiah, the One who gave his life so that you might live, is the only sin which will not be forgiven.
JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.
It is written in God’s word: John 10:30 I and the Father are One.
dear zen you are just banging your head on the wall…
now i know why there are priests pedophiles and sexually harassed their followers.because your bible teches thst you will be save in the hereafter when you are christians. surely these pedophiles are the true christians because they know well about their religion….
LOL hi five kaldino good answer.
Sorry gloria was that statement in the old testament or new… was it said by jesus or someone else who says jesus said that.
Huzaifah,
I wrote this above: The men who wrote the bible were directed by the HOLY SPIRIT. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one!
1 John 5 says: 1Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves the father loves his child as well. 2This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out his commands. 3This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, 4for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. 5Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
6This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7For there are three that testify: 8the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. 9We accept man’s testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart. Anyone who does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Can some 1 please tell me y there is so much hatred between u ppl specially wen u don’t know nothing bout 1 another. As a Muslim we believe every thing a Christian does except the fact that jesus is god or son of god. It always confuses me that part coz some say he is god some say he is son of god so how can he be son of himself ?
Dear Zen.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Your question:
If Jesus is god, as some say he is son of god, so how can he be son of himself ?
My reply:
God the Father and God the Son are eternal. They have not beginning, and no end. This is not possible for a human mind to grasp. Because we need borders as a parameter for our understanding of physical beings. But God is Spirit. Such a Master God can only be reveled by the Holy Spirit. And the spirit is always in agreement with God the Father and God the Son. They are One God. Three in One.
Can u explain that any better as u only repeated wat I said
Can you quote us from the old testimant where jesus says he is God? or a holy trinity? or would you say that that was written in later on by some random guys? who in the time of roman matholigy new such writings would be very believable.
Dear Chooj.
Shalom.
Her is a verse from the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible).
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
So as soon as this verse was revealed it meant jesus proclaiming himself as God? or was it God who said that jesus is actually God? or maybee it meant a child is borne from the virgin mary (maryiam peace be upon her) and he will be called said names as he will indeed bring piece, those misguided would call him God, and respectfully ofcoarse father. still I see no mention of a holy trinity, nor any proclamation from jesus that he is infact God.
Here is another verse:
John 10:30 FOR I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE.
May the God, Jehovah, Yahweh, the Great “I AM” and the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have mercy on us All. (I sincerely hope my muslim family hasn’t already decided to “off my head” for using God’s biblical names). These are the names God calls himself in our Holy Scriptures. God is only HIS TITLE, not name. Praise be to the God of Creation.
Before you read on; I ask that you do so, seeking answers. So, in whatever faith you profess and are ready to lay your life down for, you owe it to yourself to find “absolute truth”. Not your Pastors, nor Imams, Priests, parents, cultures, churches, mosques, friends….you get the picture. But YOU Seek Truth and Seek it with all your heart, mind and soul, asking the Father of Abraham, Issac and Jacob for His Wisdom (but you have to really want it).
I’ll TRY to be brief. Whether we are of different faiths, colors, language, or nations, (because Jehovah created ALL for one simple fact; relationship)! WE all fall prey to the evils and enticements of the great Deceiver – Satan. Whether we DENY we have addictions, have prejudices, we cuss each other out, gossip, from the smallest of sins to the greatest, Satan will always 24/7-365, try to get us to justify our actions.
We All, as mortal humans created by Jehovah in love, have just ONE Enemy and the devil will stop at nothing to destroy all that Jehovah loves, his people and everything that stands to give him Glory!..yes,.esp. that of His Son, the Christ Jesus. Don’t knock me off just yet!!
But most sincerely, I can’t accept that our Muslim friends would fight so hard to reject Jesus, and WHO He claim to be, God’s Son, Jehovah’s (whom you call Allah) THE GOD, who spoke ALL of Creation into exsistance.
With a Spoken Word, it was formed.”The God of the Universe” said it and it exsisted!!
Is it possible that YOU think, the same God Almighty, shouldn’t have!..couldn’t possibly!.., wouldn’t have!.., come to earth in the person of Jesus Christ? (Immanuel,(God with us), as Jesus was referred to in the book of Isaiah 7:14; by a man hundreds of years before Jesus’ birth). It would seem like you were limiting the God of Heaven and Earth, to our human understanding.
In Jesus, God refers to himself as the Son, because He had too! He was coming into our world, as we all are, born of a woman Mary, making him a man (still the Almighty, but because of flesh, we was inferior to his divine self) Being man, He(Jesus) did not equal himself to God, his Father, but humbled himself as man should, as we should in servitude and humility. So in addressing (God)Himself as man’s(fleshly inferior) standards He(Jehovah) was the Father. (and if your book says he begot no son, then it’s time to start sincerely asking the God of Abraham/Isaac/Jacob to show you HIS truth, not Christians truth, but the ONE GOD, Jehovah’s truth).
How (Jesus)this happened? Just as it only took God’s “spoken word” to form the heavens and the earth. It only took “God’s Word”, a Word from Jehovah, to fulfill His promise, prophesied thru many prophets, ordinary men, with hundreds of years between them, men who didn’t know each other, weren’t related, but men with whom Jehovah or his sent angels spoke to (jus’ like God spoke to Abraham, Moses (you believe Mohammed), but in our bible THE God, the Creator of Man, spoke to a lot of Men of Old regarding HIS coming, his birth, even what He would be called, (Emmanuel or Immanuel. In Isaiah 9:6= For to us a child is born to us a son is given and the government will be on his shoulders. And he wil be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.) his Ministry, even His death. Yahweh, came to be ‘THE’ perfect example of the kind of person God calls us to be, the relationship we must have with our Creator and with others.
Almighty God’s Holy Spirit, is the essence of Yahweh(Gr), so it cannot lie, it cannot do anything apart from God. It is the who, the what, the breath that speaks and does the will of Yahweh. His aura. And it’s his spirit, that spoke Jesus into being conceived by Mary. (To some, get your minds out of the gutter).
Ok, so now there’s the dispute re: the bible. I confess, as a young Christian, I had problems with understanding the bible myself, it’s definitely not for the simple minded. I can totally understand the argument about the hundreds out there. But as a Christian and a believer in the only one who can save me (not any action of my own, by his Grace). I also understand that there are going to be inconsistencies in the translations, that use to bug me!; but there are NONE when it comes to the whats/the who’s/the where’s/the how’s/the why’s in the BIBLE. The bible had to be translated from it’s latin form to my 1st language which is Samoan. Have you heard of it? The news of Jesus has been with my family for 4 generations now. Where’s Islam? Maybe maybe not, but I haven’t seen a Qur’an yet in my language. Those are just my facts.
How long do you think my people would have to wait before Allah decides my people knew HIS truth, sincerely.
Slam me if you want but I’m going to quote Jesus through his friend and eyewitness Matthew in 13:13 “Though seeing; they do not see; though hearing; they do not hear or understand..then it goes on to say in 14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah.”..(look up the rest yourself, this is already too long, I apologize).
Jesus speaks of the ones who will hear of it, yet would not listen and those who would see and still refuse/not to believe.
But this, I write to those whom I felt were seeking real answers and explanations.
Lastly, seriously, in regards to forgiveness of sins and Jesus.
Just because someone calls themselves Christians doesn’t mean they live accordingly. Sadly, these are the ones who give the faith a shameful name. Truth be said, though, Jesus had to come, because Gods laws set in the ancient days before Christ, were also being trampled on, God’s people were falling after cults, idol worshipping, you name it (nothing’s changed you say?), except ONE, His beloved Son.
In the past in order to atone for your sins, one had to offer up burnt offerings, fast, slaughter a required # of lambs (depending on offense) and pour the blood onto the altar of God…to a point; even those jus’ became rituals.
Eventually the world turned to their own ways, purifying themselves before the Lord, became so burdensome that they were performed without true repentance(sin no more)neither were truly sorrowful for the offenses against God. So Jesus’ came for the sole purpose of being God’s sacrifical “lamb of God” and the old was no more. The laws still stand, but seeking forgiveness any other way, other then the belief and acceptance of Gods ONE and Only Son’s blood sacrifice for a sinful, rebellious, shameful people is Unforgiveable! Hope you haven’t falled asleep.
So to all Muslims/Jews/Christians/Confused, may the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob bless you all with sincere love for each other and a longing to grow deep in love and knowledge of Him who SAVES! Oops, by the way, did you know Jacob’s name was later changed to ISRAEL!! Seriously, find out whose side you’re on.
If do, respond with real ?’s, if not, keep it to yourself. Jesus’ is not up for debate….IT IS FINISHED!! Your choice, is all.
Dear Leova3
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Please write short messages. You are free to post multiple comments.
Firstly, i won’t answer any more fanatic replies from the ever so deluded nutter gloria or iven or whatever the hell he’s called. yeh, yeh, jesus christ will save my sorry ass one day etc etc. that’s all uve been telling us ‘sinners’ muslims right?
so that i stay on the subject zen here asks, i wanna ask christians this question. no one take offence.
How the HELL is jesus god’s kid? Is he like an illegitimate, or as we all know it, a ‘bastard’ in that case? Did god come and get busy with Mary and have this kid? please explain?!! I mean, mary was a virgin right? not married, correct? so where does GOD come into this picture? at least muslims believe that jesus was a miracle child, born WITHOUT a father. do us see the golden difference?
U on the other hand, had to go and put GOD into all of this. Shaemful.
So, please explain this discrepancy to readers and maybe even, yourself.
please gloria and co, dont bombard me with wishes to repent, or call me blasphemous etc. and dont quote me random verses from your book. or even the quran in that case, i dnt need to hear crap about our holy book from a deranged lunatic like u. remember, u started with the prophet slandering urself. i read soooo many references to Muhammed (SAW) being a liar, deluded, crazy, rapist and all that shiiiit from u and co. u startd it, that was a very childish thing to do.
ur christ is a bastard = fact you r constantly reminding us here and u ALL believe in.
peace to all who want it…
Dear Angry.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I do not believe other Muslims will approve of your bad language.
For all followers of Jesus, you are a good example of a man that need to change his ways. Its is called “repent or perish”.
Jesus came into the World, so save sinners like you. Jesus loves you, and wants you to worship Him.
Dear all followers of Muhammad.
Shalom.
I have spammed “angry”. I will not allow filthy language on this site.
Angry,
Ivar is right. There is no reason for you to speak in such a horrendous manner.
The truth is in the bible. Mohammed was a false prophet, and the Holy Word of God warned us about false teachers like this.
No one is forcing you to choose God over Mohammed. But I still pray that Christ touches your heart, and that you see the truth before it’s too late.
God Bless.
Sister gloria… we muslims dnt think muhammed(S.A.W) is god… he is a messenger of god.
Once again you have proved your ignorance,no christian it seems will defend you because they know as little as you about christianity. if i may refer to the verse you quoted above, suah[5v33]. Have you not heard of the people of Nuh (Noah) peace be upon him? do you not know of Sodom and Gomorrah? the people of Lut, Saleh? clearly u are very ignorant. to repeat, “jesus is your saviour, he died for your sins,” shows what little knowledge you actually have. Further all the promiscuities you have mentioned are signs of the Last day as referred to by the person you had replied to. How misinformed are you honestly?
Also muslims killing muslims? what rubbish are you talking about? the fact that your web page is filled with muslims with a more passionate opinion and with clear views than yours is a sign that Islam is the true religion.
God should be Merciful and Powerful….which indeed i believe He is….then why He needs to sacrifice His son to remove the sins of others??? Couldn’t He kept His only 1 son and just forgive Christians???
Dear Leedz.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
How could God give His Son to be crucified.
The Bible says, that without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission of sins. The Jews was told to be sacrificial, and give to God the best they had. Blood sacrifice was the very sign that a Jew was willing to listen to God and Obey Him. Just think about Abraham, who was willing to give up the life of his son.
Why the blood of the only Son of God?
God saw the wickedness of man, and how Lucifer was leading us all into sin, He decided to find the ultimate solution. God hate sin, there is no place for sins in the Kingdom of Heaven. Someone had to pay the penalty for the wickedness of man.
Jesus gave up His life for free. He is the perfect Lamb of God that took away the sins of the World. He and no one else.
Lucifer is still around. God and all of us have a powerful enemy.
to Ivarfjeld
I do apologize and will do better in the future, if…
I edited it so much that it took me up to 5am to finish. My bad, brother, Ivarfjeld.
Jus’ didn’t want the msg lost in 5-6 different short ones. Have a great weekend ALL. Glory to Jehovah.
Dear leova3
Shalom.
Thanks for blessing me.
It is my experience, that people do not read long comments. That is why I advised you to write shorter messages, and make a few points in each of them.
I am sorry that you spent the night preparing this message. But i know that Jesus the Messiah are preparing people for ministry, using them to minister around the clock.
May the Jewish Messiah bless you, with all kinds of heavenly blessings.
Hi
To fellow muslims please don’t use any filty language, this is against the teachings. if someone says something wrong about quran or prophet(PBUH) than try to explain but never abuse. two wrong things does not make things right.
to Christian friends please read the quran. don’t follow the media and actions of minority muslims. I completely agree manay muslims killin non muslims in the name of Islam and Jihad but this is totally against the quranic teachings. Many non muslims and media mention Quran teached muslims to kill non muslims. this is completely quoted out of context.
Dear Ryman.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I support your pledge to all of us, not to use filthy language.
Please explain this verse from the Koran:
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
About that verse u keep askin about does it not seem similar to wat u wrote about sayin that ( the bible said that without the shedding of blood, there can b no remission of sins) now does that mean that both religions believe in blood shed or u still gonna carry on contradicting ur self ?
Dear Zen.
The Bible do say this. Let me give you the Bible verse:
First, the Old Testament, The Hebrew Bible:
Exodus 24:8
8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the LORD has made with you in accordance with all these words.”
And this is the New Testament of the Bible.
Hebrews 9:20-23
20He said, “This is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.”[a] 21In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. 22In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
So tell me then if shedding of blood is wat it takes to be pure y do u condem it so much ? Let me tell u some small facts Gloria
1*in the the wake of 9-11 there were 5000 Jews workin in the twin towers bt none turned up for work on that day
2* no matter way building it is in the world unless it is bombed from the base it will not collapse the way the towers did. U and me both know the planes hit the top.
3* and if a Muslim had taken out this attack do u not think he would save fellow Muslims rather then Jews ?
4* do u know there are so much raw material in afhanistan that America can produce gas and other sources from that country as well as use the country to run pipes through to get oil from Iraq to them
5* it is all politics which wants us muslims and Christians to fight it’s Been a tactic for the politicians for a long time coz religion is such a sensitive subject which they can exploite any time they want to run the ppl’s attention away from the real truth of wat they r up to.
Hope u have the time and the broadness of mind to try and think bout wat I’m sayin. Because don’t for get it was not the Muslims of abriham that supported Mohammed (pbuh) bt it was the Christians that knew who he was and wer the ones to offer him protection.
And to u too ivartar
is pastor bob now dead?
Dear A Juneja.
Shalom, and thanks for this question.
There is a rumor among Muslims that Pastor Bob is dead. Please google, and you will see that no reliable News Source can confirm this rumor.
Can someone please give this pastor a call, and confirm?
ivar
hes your christain friend why dont you give him a call and ask him how hes doing…and tell him hes going to be in hell from me thankx
Sfm,
Because he’s (pastor bob) says he’s christian does not mean he adhere’s to God’s word. His burning of a book is not what Jesus would have done.
1 Peter 3:15 But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
And again sfm, stop sending people to hell. Only God brings judgment.
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.
we keep hearing about it in uk, but no real details apart from there was a fatal car crash
i have googled, apparently it was on sky news this morning, but the particular website is un acsessable
As salaam wa aliakum to one and all
with regards to your question about the Sura 5 :33
Please also read from Sura 5 :31
You will notice that the koraan is speaking about the killing of a brother or person ( MURDER)
It is within this context that Sura 5 :33 arises with punishment.
Every country has their form of punishment therfore i think the koraan is no different.
You cannot applaud someone for horrendous crimes they have to be punished. And also the punishment for murder in this world is a mere fraction compared to the hereafter as only GOD ALMIGHTY has the right to take life.
Fuck url dirry mother fuckers. Url gona burn in jahannam bitchs ! Ima slit pastor ol cocks neck like qurbani ! I will make sure of it. I got ALLAH on my side
@mafia Allah on your side, Allah does not like swearing or insulting another human being. Please first read Islam properly, because of people like you people r insulting our religion, Islam. using F word will solve the problem.
the verse your quoting is taken out of context i’ll quote the verses around it to show you what a muppet you are:
31 Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the ground, to show him how to hide his brother’s naked corpse. He said: Woe unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother’s naked corpse ? And he became repentant.
32 For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
34 Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
funny how you cut and paste bits that suit your agenda, we could do the same from the bible does that mean all christians are killers too ?
http://www.sacred-texts.com//isl/pick/005.htm
The lies told in that book are horrendous.
I hope you repent, and ask Jesus Christ for forgiveness.
John 12:48
The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.
U have just proved that u have only one brain cell in that head of ur’s galoria coz up to now I have not come across a person with a stuck record like ur’s. It’s not even worth havin a debate with u coz it seems like u have never questioned ur self and r brain washed good luck with ur one track mind
Dear Zen.
Shalom, and let me tell you that I will spam your next mail. Such meaningless comments are not welcomed on this site. Now I have warned you.
Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Please study the scriptures carefully (at a level of intelligence with a certificate to prove it before you start becoming an authority on comparative religion)before you start showering us with your primitive thoughts and ideas.
Seek knowledge with an open heart and the truth will guide you!!!
If you cannot agree with each other, at least say this ” I have my own religion, and you have your own” -believe me, there is no compulsion in religion. Each and every individual is accountable for their own deeds and will surely meet their lord and creator – Allah.
Dear Anon.
Shalom, and tanks for a message of calm and peace.
Jesus did not come to start his own religion. He came to save a world of sinners, like me and you. God the Father can not accept sin in the eternal Kingdom of Heaven. We all need to be saved by the blood of Jesus.
I have no problem to live in peace with Muslims. I have Muslim friends, and a Muslim do even work for my family. You can be sure of one thing. I will never harm any of them.
I am not so sure that no Muslim will try to harm me. He might even think He is doing so, doing something great for “allah”.
Dear brother Ivar…your last comment about muslims might harm you.. is insulting because in the world we living in it is not only muslims that commit crimes..Scroll up (YOUR PASTOR) its all religions and nations. IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT OUR HOLY BOOK THE QURAAN PROMOTES VIOLENCE>>>> AS WE ALL KNOW THAT IS NOT TRUE… FACTS TALK NOT YOUR OPINION.
LOOKING at yours and glorias hatered for muslims one mite say you will kill.Coz your god didnt teach you peace.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom, and welcome back.
I want to ask you to explain this verse from the Koran to me. I admit, I have a lot to learn about the Koran, and Islam.
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
your right christianity is the religion of so called “peace” or is it ?
take a look for yourself…………………..
Dear mhus.
Shalom, and thanks for this link.
I am not sure that the Pope has killed 50 million people. But it is true that the Vatican is responsible for killing a lot of people.
Followers of Jesus of the Bible are not allow to kill anyone. We are suppose to bless even our enemy. That is one of the reason why Christians do not look up on the Catholic Pope as a true Christian. We will rather say the pope is an anti-Christ, a false teacher that has deceived people from all nations.
Please note; literally, the Bible means two books, which is the combination of the old testament and the new testament, the old testament describes events before Christ and revelations were given by prophets about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the new testaments describes event during the life of Christ, so the old testament on its own does not make a complete Bible because the critical for Christians (Christ followers)n would have been left out, which is salvation, the issue of salvation is enshrined in the new testament.
Also be informed that Christ mentioned it no where in the Bible that a prophet is coming after Him. He said I will send you a comforter and which is the Holy Spirit who direct us into all truths, and even if He did say a prophet is coming, how do you come to terms that it is muhammed?
Muslims seem to believe some accounts in the quran that contradict events in the Bible forgetting to ask themselves, which between this two books is the original? One can imagine the quran giving account of what Christ said, and the quran was written thousands of years after Christ left….have these muslims come to terms with this? Muslims dogedly follow the quran not even very well sure how the quran came into existence, but believing the quran was sent by angels, and written in arabic….
but what was the significance of the quran written in arabic and not any other languagen as at that time, there were many languages….there are so many loopholes to realise the quran is fake, but the muslims won’t come to terms with it, and they are being forced to believe what is enshrined in the quran.
Jesus said ‘all power in heaven and heart has been given unto Him’ He further said ‘no man can see God except through Him’ and He came to remmit the sins of the world…He died and we have second chance…He said it is finished, if it is finished, then what did muhammed came to do? Someone please tell what was muhammed message for all the years he spent on earth, what message did he bring from God to people? The so called muslims didn’t even know.
If the muslims have so much energy to protest against those who want to burn their quran, then they should go and use that efforts to stop those who are tanishing the image of their religion, to stop killing in the name of their allah. Can any man fight for God?
As salaam wa aliakum
You contradict yourself… Hows is it you belive what the new testament says about jesus even though it was written…after his death… BUT YOU FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE QURAAN WHEN IT TO WAS REVEALED AFTER THE DEATH OF CHRIST>>>
BY THE WAY THE QURAAN was not brought by angels… it was revealed to Prophet Muhammed ( S.A.W )
Why is it in the old testament it state that jesus said there will be another prophet after him… because muhammed was the next prophet. Check the hindu scriptures , bible ,etc…
Revelation 20:11-15
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Then another book was opened, which is the book of life.( THIS BOOK IS THE QURAAN BCOS OUR QURAAN IS A WAY OF LIFE>>>)ISLAM IS A WAY OF LIFE
Please note our quraan does not state bad of any prophet… but the christians now speak bad of other religions…
Jesus never claimed to be god in any book… it is the interpretations of translators that say a certain verse in the bible states he proclaimed to be god….
HOW CAN GOD DIE??? You complain when we say jesus was a mere mortal but you too say his mortal..coz you say HE DIED … HOW CAN HE IF HE WAS GOD??? You tell me god should eat, drink, defecate like us mere mortals…
Huzaif,
Isn’t it convenient for you that you write one verse of Revelation 20 and then twist it to suit your need in believing the lies told by the devil.
The whole Revelation 20 verses 11-15 verse actually reads:
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Notice where it says: AND IS SAW THE DEAD, SMALL, AND GREAT STAND BEFORE GOD.
That proves that there is only one God, and that is God, the alpha and omega.
Thank you gloria so you contradict yourself… We muslims believe in one god…..Not Father , son and holy spirit… in one????
You say one god but pray to 3
Huzaif,
I will tell you again: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are not 3 separate.
Matthew 28:16-20
16Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
again sister gloria did jesus say that.>>> im not worried abt mathew
Jason, Jason, jason,
Before saying something like “the so called muslims dont even know”, why don’t you try speaking to one? I will address all the issues that you have with islam as best as i can.
The fact that the Bible was altered by man, whereas the Quran was not holds enough to say that the Quran is CLOSER to the message that was passed down onto us by God than the bible. Can you deny that?
Also, you mentioned the Quran and the Bible having contradictions between them as a means of taking away from the Quran’s credibility, since the Bible came first (which is of course true). You seem to forget that versions of the bible have had things ommitted from them whereas others havent. That means that two Christians can have two different views on something solely based on the version of the bible that they use. Is that credible? Man made alterations to the source of Christianity, the DIVINE book, DIVINE meaning Godly. How can it be godly if it is being altered by man, who is anything BUT godly?
The Quran was written in ARABIC because it was revealed in a time and location where the arabic language was the prevailing language.
“And thus: We have revealed to you a Quran in Arabic so that you may warn the Foremost of all towns and those who dwell around it, and may warn of the Day of Gathering, which is beyond all doubt. One group will be in the Garden, and one group will be in the Flames.” (Quran 42:7)
In the same way, the original testament of the Bible was revealed in Hebrew, as that was the prevailing language at that time and that location. So how can you even try to link the language of the book to its credibility, without understanding the reasoning?
Mohammed (pbuh) came in a time where God was thought to be a “Trinity” and no longer only Himself, one entity. Since that reality was altered, and Jesus (pbuh) and the Holy spirit were believed to be parts of God, then there WAS IN FACT a message to be delivered! he was sent to correct this wrong perception that people had at that time. He came to tell them that God is ONE. The message came along with the miracle of a book that will not be altered and that will hold the message of God intact, without human intervention, until our final day. As you can see, until this very day, there is only ONE version of the Quran, so his miracle has stood fast.
One more thing, if Jesus Christ (pbuh) truly WAS the son of God, and therefore a god himself, and God is timeless and eternal, then how can you believe that Jesus, if he was actually born in the middle of our timeline, was himself a God? Also if Jesus truly was a god, then why is it that in the Torat, which is the previous book to the bible, there is only one God? That tells us that Jesus is not timeless, and therefore cannot be a God. Thank you for your time.
I forgot to add that another part of this message that mohammed was to reveal was that God does not give birth and was not born.
Are you serious,
The quaran is a lie from the devil.
JESUS CHRIST is the only one who can save. John 3:16
ok Gloria. Thanks for your vast, credible input. Much needed. and its Quran, not Quaran.
I will take your inability to argue any of the points i have mentioned as further credibility to what i had to say, so thank you 🙂
Are you Serious,
I will pray for you and ask Jesus Christ to touch your heart, so you can see the truth.
Take care.
Dear all followers of Muhammad.
Shalom.
The difference between Islam and the teachings of Jesus, is that Jesus claimed to be divine. He claimed to be equal to His father God in Heaven.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.
Muhammad seems to be of a different opinion. But He walked on Earth 600 years after Jesus. What Muhammad has told you will not change Jesus, God the Son, the only Gate you can pass to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
Thats what you could come up with? and here i am waiting for you to show me why i’m wrong and why you are right.
I will pray for you too, may God remove the veil that is covering your eyes and guide you to the truth.
Are you serious?
I already explained that Jesus Christ is the only way. You must repent, and read the Word of God and you too will see the truth.
gloria,
and they were judged every man according to their works.
how can i be judged when i was being saved by jesus before i commit sins?
your bible contradict with what you preach.
Inshallah he is dead but more likely to be a silly hopefull rumour!
Dear Aisha.
Shalom, and thanks for all kinds of comment.
You wrote:
Inshallah he is dead but more likely to be a silly hopefull rumour!
My reply:
I feel your are cursing this man, and bring a curse up on your own head. I thought Muslims had the desire to save people?
Peace be upon those who follow true Guidance,
brothers and sisters please stop using the bad laugage and have some Respect for each other.
How Ignorant many people are that they have NEVER read the Quran and they make soo many bad coments and judgements.
ISLAM is the final messege from God to the world, Muslims belive in the same God of Abraham,Isaac,ishmeal, Jesus john Mary, Moses and ALL the prophets of the new and old Testiment, prophet Muhammad has been metioned in MANY religious books Around the world Including the Old and new Testiment the book of the Hindus.
Now I challenge EVERY SINGLE christain or ANY other person from ANY Faith to READ the Quran from cover to cover and see for yourselves what the Quran says.
You will get your Answer after just Reading the First few pages that I can assure you,
many Islamic shops all over the world have free copys so please go and get yourselves one.
Or log onto
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/default.asp
this site is by a ex christain precher from Texas USA
there are many KNOWLEDGBLE christains all over the world coming to Islam so see for yourselves don’t take my word for it search on utube and the net and you will see.
Dear Joe.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Islam is the final message from God.
My reply:
Islam explains to us through the Koran in Sura [23:91: GOD has never begotten a son……
If so, John 3:16 of the Bible is false.
John 3:16 (New King James Version)
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Either the Koran or the Bible is a falsehood in regards to the divinity of Jesus as God the Son.
If one of them is false in that regard, and the Quran we know has not been tampered with by man, whereas the bible has. Then which is more likely to be false in that certain element of divinity that you speak of? I am only trying to help you guys see the light, god bless your souls, you and gloria, you seem to be very good, pious people.
Are you serious, the Quran was written by a man who murdered people. You can’t get much more “tampered” than that.
I too am trying to show you the way is and the only way is JESUS CHRIST.
John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
You believe in David and Moses right? they are mentioned in your book as PROPHETS, am i right? Well if you are gona use the “murderer” card, then you would equally have to condemn David and Moses for the same thing. Were they also bad people? Or would it perhaps make more sense to say that different prophets used different approaches depending on the situations they had to deal with? Also, the quran was not creatively written by mohammed (pbuh), it was passed onto him by the angel Gabriel.
Are you Serious,
Moses believed in God, and because of that God used him to spread the truth.
I believe in Christ.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Dearest Gloria,
Please answer these two simple question for me. Was the bible edited by mankind or was it not? Also, Did David and Moses killing people make them less of prophets? Because you cannot use the argument that Mohammed was a murderer if you are not gonna apply it to all prophets. That is contradictory.
Are you Serious,
God forgives all sinners who repent.
Mohammed taught lies from the devil. He never said that sin can be forgiven if we accept JESUS CHRIST.
Dear all readers.
This debate is now closed.
Thanks for making this an interesting debate. Welcome back to debate other topics.
May Jesus the Messiah, Son of God bless you all.
Dear all readers, and lovers of a good debate.
Shalom.
Since we all have had some time to cool down, I will again open this article for comments.
But if there is only insults in the pipeline, I will close down the debate again.
Please respect people with other viewpoints than yours.
This Pastor guy is dirty mother fucker, who fucks his mum up the bum hole. His got nothing better to do the mother fucking peadophile bastard.
Dirty perverts like him are gonna get it big time. The mother fucker can’t handle that Islam is king of all religions and his man made pussy religion hides behined the internet commiting pussy ball shrinking acts.
If you thing you’re big you dirty mother fuckers come face to face, lets see you fucking pussys.
You think you can hide on your www and do shit like this and Islam will break. Think again mother fucker. Islam is a powerful religion and will always be in top.
You thick bastard thanks for your uniting the muslims more and making us a force to be reckon with.
Dear Usman.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
With such a filthy language, I do not think even “Allah” want to have your as a follower. I guess your prophet Muhammad never permitted you to talk like this?
If I am wrong, please show me verses from the Koran who permit such talks.
Disgusting filthy language.
in a nutshell, the bible is a word from humans – HUMANS have written it not god! the new testament is what people have made up!!! the QURAN HAS NEVER CHANGED, U ALL SAY IT IS A BOOK OF HATE – Y DONT U READ THE QURAN AND SEE IF IT IS A BOOK OF HATE AND STOP GOING BY WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS!!!
Dear Asiyah Gul.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Muhammad did not write down the Koran. The Koran was written down by men.
I have read some parts of the Koran. The most disturbing is the more that 140 verses that speaks about forcing others to believe in the Koran.
Jihad is an order from Muhammad. I guess the large majority of Muslims who do not want to cripple and kill others, but there are also Muslims that take these verses at face value. I guess that is why we have Islamic suicide bombers.
For us who are not Muslims, is seems that Islam is its own worst enemy. We who believe in the message of love told by Jesus, are pretty harmless.
once again brother IVAR the quraan is words of god complied not… Muhammed’s words… YOU SHOULD GET THIS HATRED FOR MUHAMMED OUT OF YOU SYSTEMS>>> HE WAS A GREAT MAN BETTER THAN JESUS>
INSTEAD OF CHOOSING VERSES READ WHOLE WHOLE QURAAN>>> BY CHOOSING VERSES YOU JUST YOU A PART OF THE VERSE TO PROVE A POINT>
Huzaifah,
You said: Mohammed was a greater man than Jesus.
Mohammed was just a man period. JESUS IS KING AND WILL BE COMING SOON.
Remember:
Matthew 12:37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I had to go out for a while. I can see you are doing good. When people insult you, please return a blessing.
Ivar,
My sister in law looked up to the sky and saw Jesus Christ looking down at earth in tears.
This breaks my heart. But I continue to move on, spreading the Word of Christ, because while there is still breath in their lungs, they can repent and accept God.
Dear all followers of Muhammad.
Shalom, and greetings in the name of Jesus.
The Jewish Messiah was not married. Muhammad has many wife’s and one of them was a child.
Read this, and let me know that you think.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/prophet-muhammad-had-sex-with-minor-wife-at-age-of-nine/
Sorry you yourself said.. he died… gods cannot die or be crucified…only human mortals die… So he was a man… Yes he will come soon to show the christians the right path.
Sorry brother ivar
she was 8 and only lived with him when she was mature… get facts first.
Yes he did have many wives…. because he did not believe in adultery… so he MARRIED THEM.
Huzaifah,
You said she was 8?
The idea of it is disgusting. That was a child!
Sister gloria the fact that you cannot answer all the questions we pose… shows how less you know about your own religion..
No it was not digusting…because he was’nt would her till she was mature… AYESHA marriage to the prophet was the word of god.
Read about his life before asking stupid questions.
Huzaifah
Shalom.
I am very touched by your comment. Thanks for addressing Gloria as sister. It is true, that God of Israel wants all of us to become brothers and sisters.
I do not believe there are stupid questions. I only believe there are bad answers.
Interesting article written by sister Nancy Shehata regarding the divinity of Christ. Its long, but worth the read!
Bismillahi Rahmani Rahim
Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah
I am a revert to Islam. Over the years, people have asked me hundreds of times why I converted to Islam. Did I covert to please a husband? No. Did I convert after hearing a particularly moving sermon? No. I converted out of conviction after studying Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
Perhaps it’s the German in me, but I appreciate the logical consistency of Islam. Since the creation of the first man, Adam, peace be upon him, Islam has always taught the same simple unequivocal message of tauheed, belief in the Oneness of God. It’s a simple message, but profound.
But Christians believe in one God also, don’t they? Christianity and Judaism are considered to be monotheistic religions, right? Well, they may be called that, but Christians fell into idol worship when they decided to treat Jesus, peace be upon him, as a deity rather than what he was, a prophet of God.
Fi Aman Allah,
Nancy
Dear Farzana
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I shortened your comment. Please write more, and make them short.
I am also a convert. I was an atheist, and I did not believe there was an “Allah”, and surely not a “Jesus”.
But reading the Bible, I came across the most loving person that has ever walked on Earth. His message is about love, and true peace. Give your life to Jesus the Messiah. Let Him reign in your heart.
Jhanh.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You asked a very good question: Are the trinity mentioned in the Bible.
Let me give you the best example:
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
(end of scripture).
Here Father God speaks about His Son, and the Holy Spirit comes in the form of a dove.
Beautiful.
I strongly believe, you were not a christian and if accidently you were, you know not about Christ and now you couldnt even deeply share your conviction towards converting to islam….what do you mean by believe in oneness of God, did any one argue that God is twenty? and please note consider your choice of word cos no christian treats Jesus as a deity…..’no one come to the father except through me (Jesus) and except a man is born again he can not see the kingdom of God (Jesus)
Nancy,
Islam is a false religion created by satan.
Peter 2:1 ESV / 6 helpful votes
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Dear all our Muslims friends.
Shalom.
On of the challenges with Islam, is that there was no Koran before 630 A.D.
How could Arabs get saved before Muhammad showed them the way?
The Arabs in Mecca was Moon good worshipers. They has an idol for each day, and Muhammad removed them all but one.
Have you read about the black stone in Mecca?
Please read this message.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/bible-studies-42-muslims-worship-a-black-stone-in-mecca-fallen-from-the-moon/
Dear all Muslim friends.
Shalom, and let the peace of God the Son come up on you all.
The Koran is a book that all people should read.
Please tell me what you fell about this article.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/the-qur%E2%80%99an-the-book-of-the-black-stone-worshipers/
if jesus spreaded peace and love dnt think he would be happy with your comments….Belittle something you dnt understand… u judge something you dnt know…
Muhammed came to save mankind just like how you say jesus saved his people…
But our prophet lived asnd showed the way.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom, and thanks for blessing me with an interesting debate.
You wrote:
if jesus spreaded peace and love dnt think he would be happy with your comments
My reply:
Sometimes Jesus gets tough with people who do not want to believe He is the Messiah, the King of Kings.
John 8:42
Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
(end of scripture_
There can be no true love outside of the truth. If someone is a child of the devil, he or she needs to be told. Dont you agree?
I dnt agree.. forcing someone to change christianity… will not work… you show someone facts , do it would love… and understanding. Not by calling what they believe lies… You prove a point by showing what you believe is true… answering questions that was posed to you.
Not by ridiculing the persons belief…
it will only show a person that your religion teaches to belittle, and put other peoples beliefs down.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
You wrote:
Not by ridiculing the persons belief…
My reply:
If you feel that I have made fun of your faith, I do sincerely apologize.
Dear mhus,
well done!
we need people with knowledge about our holy Quran to answer the people who try to defame our religion by taking things out of context. Ignorance is a fatal thing as we all know and it can easily mislead people.
May ALLAH (swt)bless every human in this world with an opportunity to fully study ISLAM before making any judgements. We, muslims, respect all religions and wouldn’t even think about burning bible. This shows muslims are peace loving. About burning our holy book, ALLAH has taken the resposibuility of protecting HIS message so burning one or two copies can’t do any harm to our faith or religion. Don’t forget even if there isn’t only Holy Quran left in this world, there are millions of muslims (Hafiz) around the world who have Holy Quran saved in their hearts, now how can anyone erase that???
Dear AS.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
The difference between Islam and the teaching of Jesus of the Bible, is how we deal with Sin. Islam has no problem with sins, and looks for people who are good or do good works. The problem is: How much good works do “Allah” demand?
No Muslim can be sure. There is no surely of salvation.
Jesus do not demand any works. He only wants us to believe that He has paid for our sins. He died as a penalty for our sins. He rose again from the grave as our justification the day we all shall met God our Father.
Dear Crapo.
Shalom.
Your comment:
god has never been born and doesnt have any son. god has been sending prophets to guide us.
My reply:
How do you know?
WHY WOULD GOD WANT TO WALK ON EARTH???
Huzaifah,
Revelation 20 verse 4 says: I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (NIV)
SORRY GLORIA WHAT DOES THAT MEAN??? WHY DID GOD WANT TO WALK ON EARTH?
Dear Huzaifah.
Shalom, and thanks for a brilliant question.
Why would God want to walk on Earth?
Simply because He loved us, and do still love us.
And if God wanted to walk om Earth, who are we to stop Him from doing so.
This is the truth. God did come down from Heaven, and took form of a man. This man is Jesus of Nazareth, the savior of the World.
It worries me that muslims only care about being a muslim as a precondition to eternity, can you just reason for yourself and dont be foolish that what eternity entails is religion, if you are a muslim then you are saved…it is very disturbing.
Why is muhammed the only prophet that deviated from all other prophets doctrines and practices….well to me mohammed was not a prophet, he was a warlord…..was he not fighting war in his days? was that the message he brought from allah….to fight wars….what exactly was his message…..cos if you dont know, prophets are sent with message to the people of God, what was mohammed message?
Read the quraan jason you will see his message…
its pointless telling you coz you think its a lie
USMAN – Astaghfirrullah..People like you give us good muslims bad name. There is no need for this sort of language. If you call yourself a muslim and reckon that i will join force with you then your wrong.
Every human being has the right to chose what he believes..We all forget that the biggest message of Islam is beliving in oneness of god. Muslims believe there is one god, and so do christians and the other main religions, all other differences are due to different interpretation of the words of god. Who knows who is right and who is wrong we will only find out on the day of judgement. As long as we are not harming anyone why cant we follow what we believe in and let each other live in peace and harmony.
Dear Rina
Shalom, and welcome to this blog.
Thanks for correcting Usman.
Please also read my article today about a TV-station who claim to be “Christian”, but is rather promoting a false-Jesus. Likewise within Islam, there are also people who makes a mockery out of their religion.
ivar… thank you atleast you believe there are people who mock about…finally were geting there
Actually your going to find out when jesus p.b.u.h returns to our world again and dajjal is here which is a little while before the day of judgement but again thats not something worth discussing with single minded idiots. Live and let live.
dear brothers,
REPLY to SHALOM
You all people are fighting about religion,
WHY? go and read for yourself you will c we are all the sons of adam and eve(written in both bible and quran) buy the cd done by ZAKIR NAIK about the similarities between islam and christianity u will hav some ideas. or check on youtube as well
if we are all the son of adam and eve peace be upon them how can jesus be the son of god..
god has never been born and doesnt have any son. god has been sending prophets to guide us, jesus is said to come back because he was the only one who hasnt been able to provide a good understanding and the suppose bible who was suppose to provide a good way of life has been changed by people thats is WHY god send the prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) which what he succeeded.
in the blble as well its said by jesus himself that there will be another person coming after him which will continue his guide, go and search for it in the bible you will see somewhere that jesus has seen the coming prophet muhammad(peace be upon him) on his thumb nails. you guys need to learn in the books instead of learning another religion by judging people. god has put good and bad for us to choose from, its for us to decide which path to choose.
islam is said not to be a religion but a way of life and the book quran has been send to help us choose the right path of course for those who have read it and understand it in the RIGHT way. people are bound to make mistakes and thats WHY god created the path for forgiveness. if you SHALOM are thinking thats islam is a bad religion after the terror attack your are wrong my friend. these people have done a mistake and its them who will pay for there mistake and we are not here to judge the religion by people who have done mistakes. have we people ever tried to burn the bible, no because it out of respect, now what this guy has done will be bound for some people to make sins by trying to burnt the bible as well which will create a big disaster in this world like wars, so stop your act against religion because we cant judge a religion by looking at people. we judge a religion by looking at the holy books.
its said as well those who try to harm the quran will bring harm to themselves not other people of that religion. god has been fair to evryone so understand the thing which i hav told you guy to look for on youtube and understand it rather than giving some kind of unnecessary comment which in turn may lead to wars fight hatred. i would be gratefull to u SHALOM if u understand and get out of your hate of muslim because i can see a lot of hatred for muslim in your comment. DONT JUDGE A RELIGION BY PEOPLE ACT, BUT RATHER JUDGE IT OF WHAT IS SAID IN THE HOLY BOOKS. those disgusting act you have seen are all mistake commited by people not the religion.
i would be gratefull to u SHALOM if you go search for it before you put unnecessary comment.
Crapo….asides for your name….I agree completely with you…
Crappo:
John 10 verse 25:30 says: 25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
So many replies from muslims. It is a sad sight to see.
Christ said in the final days: 2 Timothy 3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
I have been witness to several things (Thank you Jesus), and one of them was angel who stood less than a foot from me. I cannot describe how “perfect” it was to be in the presence of Christ. The light surrounding the angel was so bright, but the perfection I felt was the most beautiful thing Christ has ever allowed me to see. Acts 2:17 says:
“‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
I pray that you will see the truth and repent. Because just as I was in the presence of Christ, at a different time, I have also seen what awaits those who do not repent. It is not pretty, it is not what you think it is, and it is extremely evil. I can tell you many stories of how Christ has allowed me to see things, but I tell you it all boils down to this:
Luke 13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
I PRAY TO JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD that you read this, and that you are touched, and it makes you pick up the HOLY BIBLE to seek Christ.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
So many replies, and so much interest to know the truth about Jesus: You should feel blessed, and welcome all of them to keep on commenting. Muslims, Buddhist or Hindus. It does not matter. The truth about the blood of Jesus that cleanses us from all sins, are the same.
Amen Ivar. I agree.
ITS SAD
BECAUSE U ARE A NON BELIEVER.
ALLAH HUAKBAR
ALLAH IS GREAT AND MUHAMMED (S.A.W ) IS THE LAST MESSENGER OF GOD.
Huzaifah,
THE HOLY WORD OF GOD SAYS:
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
huzaifah
can you please reference your statement that mohammed is the last prophet of God? and can you please reference who proclaim that there will be another prophet like mohammed and how come mohammed if he was a prophet departed from the faith that was even before His father and mother?
No i will not retract my statement.
Gloria u write such a verse but but you pass judgement on others and there religion..
Jason dnt u even no ur old testament… jesus says their will be another prophet after me…. look it up… i have seen it ..u havnt
Its disheartening that the devil continues to use religion to divide the people of God…..we all have one creator….one belief of paradise, whether it be on earth or on another realm…..but yet religion….christianity, islam and the rest of them divide us….just like the men who were building the tower of babel we have all become confused….let everyman live a righteous life and have faith in God…that is all that is required….
manna pls dont be misguided and dont misguide people…..if you believe in Christ then you will believe in His teachings…Jesus Christ gave a precondition to eternity and He said….no man shall see God except through Him and He further said except a man is born again, then there is no eternal life…so its not just about being righteous….have you forgotten that our righteousness is like a filthy thing in the presence of God for every one born of man is a sinner. Jesus himself as an example went through the rebirth through baptism
Thank God for i found Christ and i was made to believe strongly in the remmition of sin via the shedding of blood on the cross of calvary….i wont give in to propangada.
So many muslims here have ordered us to read the quran, but i object blatantly to misguidance….the only thing i know is worrying those who are muslims is that they have been misguided…..and the only consequence for lack of understanding is that people will perish, so seek first understanding.
Sorry i cant quote the sura but i once read an electronic quran which i read “those who will not make heaven, christians and pegan’…but how come the supposed holy book is judgemental? dont judge so that you shall not be judged.
Bible is not complete and not right according to many muslims, but about 70% of whats in the quran are culled and turned around to satisfy human need from the bible.
Mohammed said and i quote in his last day to his disciple “i am going and those of you that are behind, find out which is the truth and even if it will take you to go to china….go and find out the truth’ can someone tell me what truth he was talking about? cos if a prophet bring a message from God then he must have brought the truth….fair enough as a repentant in the last day that he was he affirmed that he didnt actually bring the truth…that he was actually not a prophet of God, but its a shame that the muslims leave this kind of loopholes and proclaim shadows from the quran.
Dear Jason.
Shalom.
Thank you for sharing your faith in Jesus with all our guests today. We have passed 11.000 Muslims as visitors within 24 hours.
Nnanna,
John 3: 16″For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
There is no other way!
ahaha!!!! quran was burnt….if it was truly holy book of God then it would have refused to burn…atleast we will have a sign…..
Dear Jason
Shalom.
Your comment:
ahaha!!!! quran was burnt….if it was truly holy book of God then it would have refused to burn…atleast we will have a sign….
My reply:
Please do not pass such comments. If you put fire to a Bible, I guess it will burn. Followers of Jesus should not indulge them selves in wickedness.
should we burn the bible and see if it refuses to burn…
god you say such stupid things…
think man
Everything is made from paper.
jason….
the people hanged your so called god him being god could not do anything for himself…this is just a holy book…
Dear Sarwat Fatima.
Shalom.
You wrote:
the people hanged your so called god him being god could not do anything for himself…this is just a holy book…
My reply:
This is an interesting observation. Many people feel that Jesus did not accept to be crucified. The radical opposite is the truth.
John 10:17-19
The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”
(end of scripture)
Jesus gave up His life because He loved you.
Thanks pastor the Quran in a filthy hand like urs is no good and in Islam we belive that to dispose of the Quran in the proper way with respect is to burn it you done us a favour thanks
Jack,
As a believer in Christ, though we do not believe anything in the quaran, the HOLY BIBLE says:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
God will punish those he needs to, Pastor has tryed to disgrace christians and there race, just the way terrorists are labelled as muslims, people, you need not worry about what & who is the attention seekers of the world, but brace yourselves to the day of judgement, when all will be revealed….
Care for everyone, show love to everyone, bring peace where you can,
Ameen
PLEASE DONT ENTERTAIN THIS BLOG.
All they are trying to do is intice you, they claim to have read the Holy Quran and have misquoted as they choose.
Surley they will never beleive!
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
Say: O disbelievers! (1) I worship not that which ye worship; (2) Nor worship ye that which I worship. (3) And I shall not worship that which ye worship. (4) Nor will ye worship that which I worship. (5) Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion. (6)
When I read the posts by Gloria and ivarfjeld I cannot understand why people are so stubborn and full of hate like this !
You dont want to open your eyes ! You believe in what YOU think is the truth ! Have you ever read the Bible you are quoting yourself or have it been explained to you by someone else ? I dont believe you read the Bible because you would not have reacted like this ! The Bible WAS God’s word but then it was re-written and abridged thus falsified ! Even the Pope knows this go ask him if he is honest ! (With all due respect to the Pope !)
I am a Muslim and I am proud to be one. And the more hate you have for me the stronger I will be ! So go on guys ! Feed me with your hate ! And the Quran said the truth that you disbelievers will live in fear ! That you are doing ! You living in fear !
Allah Bless all good people and wrath on all who calling His Prophet Satan !
Dear Likisormala
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
I am a Muslim and I am proud to be one. And the more hate you have for me the stronger I will be ! So go on guys ! Feed me with your hate.
My comment:
I am sad that you feel it this way, and please correct me where I have wronged you. I deeply respect you for being a Muslim. But in my view Muhammad did not teach correctly about Jesus being the Only way to Heaven, and It is my duty to tell you this. If I did not tell you this, I would in deed hate you.
Because I love you very much, I will tell you the truth. Even if you will strongly disagree with me.
But jesus did not say with his words that he is the only way to heaven
Likisormala,
Ivar nor I hate no one. It is with love and care for you that we share with you the word of Christ
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
You say we don’t want to open our eyes? Our eyes and hearts are open to the only one who saved us JESUS CHRIST. Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Only JESUS CHRIST brings judgment. It is written in THE HOLY WORD OF GOD: Romans 14:10-12 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
What a bunch of hypocrites ! If only you believe in what you say !
LMFAO !!!! You love me !!! You, who are saying so many evils about my Prophet, you say you love me !
You dont even know how to lie ! reason more to let you live in you shit !
Likisormala,
Please respond without cursing. There is no need for it at all.
God Bless.
Alast!!!
92.28% of verses in quran are abrogated ….that is these percentages of verses have been replaced.
link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYRxrE3-F8U&feature=related
No verses in the Quran are contradictory ! A verse could have come and abrogate another one because of evolving matters at the time of revelation ! Like alcohol was permissible and then afterwards it was declared haraam, not permissible.
The Quran is a Living Book, up till now it is still up to date and scientists can tell you better about this. Read it before you make any negative comments and you will see its wisdom !
Shalom !
Dear Likisormala.
Shalom.
Do you have a daughter?
Would you like to give her up for marriage at the age of six?
If the answer is no. Why do you trust Muhammad?
For the down post, you playing with words ! You skip subjects, that’s the way of the weak !
And to your answer, YES ! I am ready to give my daughter to MY Prophet if he was here !
But not you ! You wont be able ! Your priests prefer little boys !
Dear Likisormala.
Shalom, and thanks for all kinds of comments.
You wrote:
And to your answer, YES ! I am ready to give my daughter to MY Prophet if he was here !
My reply:
As a mother, you will be guilty of rape, if you give up a child to have sex with Muhammad.
In regards to the Pope and Catholic priests: They are not Christians, and followers of the teachings of Jesus.
Likisormala,
Your comment: I am ready to give my daughter to my prophet if he was here.
My comment: That is horrendous, absolutely horrendous.
Horrendous ? Your poor little minds cannot accept some truths ? Oh come on ! Nothing more to defend ?
Catholic priests, Cristian priests ? Playing with words again !
תזמן ללכת שינה! פתח את העיניים שלך ויכול אללה לכוון אותך!
לְהִתְרָאוֹת
Likisormala
Shalom.
You wrote:
Horrendous ? Your poor little minds cannot accept some truths ? Oh come on ! Nothing more to defend ?
My reply:
You must admit that having sex with a six year old girl, amounts to rape? How can you defend Muhammad doing this?
You have to agree
In regards to Catholic priests, Christian priests, I fully understand that it is difficult for a Muslim to know the difference.
If that is the truth, that you would do something so bad to your daughter, then I feel sorry for you.
2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Ivar you so stupid agaig i say read the life of muhammed ( S.A.W ) before making such silly accusations….
He did not sleep with the 8 year old .she only lived with him after she was at a mature age…
You are so digusting… your mind is filty…
It shows your’ll did not read about muhammed or our quraan …your’ll just making stupid accusations.
Your’ll are ridiculous
Dear Huzaifah.
Shalom.
Did Muhammad sleep with his wife, when she was 8 year of age.
The whole purpose of marriage is to become one flesh. Married people is supposed tp sleep in the same bed. Muhammad had 11 wife’s.
I feel is is wrong to marry a minor child, either Muhammad had sex with her or not. It is also wrong to have 11 wife’s.
What do you feel?
he did not sleep with a 8 year old… again read his life story… she lived wuith her dad… only when she was mature enough then did she live with him……
PLEASE READ HIS LIFE STORY THEN YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND WHY HE MARRIED MANY>>> ITS POINTLESS ME DEBATING WITH SOMEONE WHO HASNT READ HIS LIFE STORY>>>>
HAVing sex with a minor is wrong… AND thus he didnt sleep with a minor…
His marriage to her was a command from Allah.
Its your priest now that you christians listen to that … feel it fine to interfere with boys and little girls.
Your’ll should be the last to talk about sleeping with minors.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
Let me explain. I am not a Catholic, and is not responsible for that Catholic priests are doing. I also agree with you that having sex with a minor is wrong.
In regards to Muhammad, why is there a need to have 11 wife’s?
Would you like to be a part of such a family, sharing intimacy with a man who have sex with a dozen other women?
Since I have not read any biography on Muhammad, please explain to me.
As a proud Englishman I am ashamed at some of the comments made against people of different nationalities, cultures and faiths who contribute so much to our society and now people are attacking the Quran.
Have you even read a verse yourself? Please don’t mock what you don’t know or understand. The Quran was revealed 1400 years ago. Although the Quran is a religious book with a total of about 6600 plus verses dealing with many aspects of a person’s life, about 1000 of those verses are of scientific nature, none contradicting established scientific facts.
Besides providing guidelines in personal, social, moral and spiritual spheres of humanity, the Quran touches upon diverse scientific topics like astronomy, geology, embryology, genetics, biology, archeology etc. Some of these prove the Quran’s Divine origin. The Big Bang. Expanding Universe. The Existence of Sun’s Orbit. Conquest of Space by Human.
The Quran, 1400 years ago, clearly predicted human’s advancement and the possibility of space flight. The Protective Atmosphere. Existence in Pairs in all creation describes the phenomenon in the most lucid manner. The concept of Gender Determination as being described by geneticists, is one of the outstanding informations revealed to us in the Quran.
By realizing these Truths about the Quran and the religion of Islam many modern scientists are turning towards it. Dr. Keith Moore, Professor of Embryology, Department of Anatomy, Univ. of Toronto, after analyzing the verses of the Quran for three years comments: “It has been a pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about Human Development.
It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later” Dr. Maurice Bucaille, French Physician, after studying Quran and comparing it with modern science and the Bible, addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 proclaimed: “Our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Quran could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times”.
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, and the President of the American Fertility Society:”..
These Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century).It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact Islam may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches…
There exist statements in the Quran shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Quran having been derived from God”.
These men of knowledge and many more, in their unbiased studies of the Quran, all proclaimed its truthfulness. Guidance to humanity proclaimed in the Quran is complete and applicable to all societies and all times. Whether we are living in the Stone Age or the Space Age, riding in horse pulled carriages or flying in Space Shuttles, we haven’t changed a bit.
We still possess physical and emotional desires, we live in societies, interact with one another, establish social, political and economic systems; thus the relevant need for guidance by our Creator in all these spheres of our life. Islam is the only religion which is totally compatible with scientific facts and provides complete, explicit and clear guidance in all spheres of life.
Islam is not restricted to people of the east or Arabs, it is a universal religion revealed for all of mankind, followed by around 2 billion people, black and white. Don’t blindly follow the whims and influences of the environment around us. We have a superb mind to seek and live the truth..
Don’t Mock,
You say have you ever read a quarn? Well, have you ever read a bible? Did you know that Christ died for our sins, so we could have everlasting life through him? John 3:16
I speak the truth. The muslim religion is a lie from satan. Christ warned us beforehand.
2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Hi sister Gloria:
Pls apologize me if I will share answer (though I am not the one who is involved)about your question to Dont mock, about have we read the bible?Pls be informed that we cannot be a Muslim unless we believe on bible, Psalm and Torah (as stated in the 6 articles of faith).The Qur-an is a confirmation of these books as Holy books from God.However, our believe limits us to the original manuscripts.This has been our question where is the old bible?Who ammended it?What are their authorities?Do they have order to do it frm God.What are their intentions in doing it?Sorry for this my friend but this is what we felt.It is nice to be frank.
The Qur-an is being memorized by many aspiring Muslims in the world, word for word, from A to Z.
If we could only open our heart, our mind and learn to eliminate biases and prejudice, (My prayer is May Allah (Al-The, Lah-God) guide us all to the right path…we can logically find that the Holy Qur-an tells us the truth (remember we are converts and we hated Islam and Muslims before due to our misunderstanding and prejudices)..All the prophets mentioned in those books (bible and torah and Psalms) are respected and followed by any aspiring Muslim.
Have you not wondered why there are a lot of versions about bible?Where is nal one because we believe on it.
Pls get rid of hatred, biases and prejudice..Open your heart.We respect you and care for you hence, we share the truth to you. We must be objective not subjective in dealing with things.
God bless and guide us.God willing.
Dear Aldrin.
Shalom, and thanks for debating with my sister Gloria.
You wrote:
Have you not wondered why there are a lot of versions about bible?Where is nal one because we believe on it.
My reply.
This is a great misunderstanding. Can everyone on Earth read the same Bible?
Of course not. When the Bible had to be translated from the original language used by Jews, there were certain challenges that had to be solved. English and Hebrew does not even have common scrips, and words and cultural phrases have different meaning.
Still 98 per cent of all Bible translation, has the exact similar texts. That is amazing, since the Bible is a book more than 3.000 years old. The Koran is a much younger book.
How do you know that the Koran in Urdu and in Norwegian, gives the exact same meaning word by word, line my line?
Hi Gloria Im very interested in your posting. I never get angry and argue.
As you claiming the Jesus Christ is god. Ok
1. I saw many of his photos praying to some one. does he pray himself or father or one of his spirit and father?
2. If jesus christ died for our sins. Yo im happy to do anything in this world. raping, murdering and snacting others property 🙂
But I don’t do like that because Im Muslim and Muhammad is strongly against all these acts 😦
3. Where in the bible jesus christ says, that Im the god and pray me?
4. Why jesus christ and his father did not stop the Muhammed (pbh)to reveal the quran or rather the father sent Muhammed to re-reavel the bible?
TheGlitterStars,
I apologize for not seeing your questions until now. But here are the answers:
1. What photos have you seen? Man made photos? Please show me the photos you speak of so I can reply. Thanks.
2. Christ did die for our sins. The bible says: “Luke:16:15: And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” Christ does know our true hearts, but if you are “happy” to do the vile things you speak of, then I feel sorry for you.
3. Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, [a] Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10-11 “You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me. I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
Revelation 1:17-18 7When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
There are other verses which repeat that Christ is God.
4. You ask why Jesus Christ did not stop Muhammed? I do not have an answer for that. Maybe one day, you can ask Jesus that question. But Christ did warn us of false teachers to come: 2 Peter. 2:1-3: “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.”
If you have any more questions, I’d be happy to answer them.
God Bless.
Dear proud Englishman.
Shalom, and welcome with a very long comment.
As an Englishmen, you should not be proud of the Koran. The Koran is a foreign book to people in United Kingdom, and have done you nothing good.
In fact, you should be proud of the Bible. The value system and the legal system in the UK is based on Judeo-Christian values.
Is it the sharia law in the Koran you are so proud of?
is so, you should chose carefully which of the two prominent Islamic nations that is the ideal state for the British people. Would you prefer the Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, or is the Islamic Republic of Iran a better option?
If it is non of them. Where have these Koran-obeying nations gone wrong?
Where has all the Mullas’s misunderstood the message?
Dont mock wrote so much… and you write nothing to defend your bible… what did it teach you… did it predict anything
Huzaifah, my dear friend.
Shalom.
Did the Bible predict anything?
The Bible said almost 3.000 years ago, that God of Israel would bring His chosen people back from all the nations where He scattered them, and bring them back to the land of Israel.
Is not that fantastic?
In 1948, this Biblical prophecy came true. The Jews are home, back in Zion. Soon another prophecy shall be fulfilled. They shall face the Messiah, King of Kings. He will return to Jerusalem. The Bible says: Than all of Israel shall be saved.
I hope a lot of Muslim will come to faith in Him before the final Judgment of sinful and wicked men shall take place.
only that one thing it predicted…the quraan teaches so much…
No brother ivar no muslim here will change to christianity.. because you didnt prove to us that christianity is the true religion… 3/4 of our questions you didnt answer .. you kept saying the same things over and over.
Dear Huzaifah
You wrote:
No brother ivar no muslim here will change to christianity.
My reply:
I do not want anyone to change to “Christianity”. That is a religion. I want everyone to feel the love of Jesus. I am talking about a personal relationship with the living God.
A saved Muslim might never get a chance attend a fellowship with others who believe in Jesus. The Islamic World is so hostile to believers. In Saudi and Iran you might be killed if you are found with a Bible. What I am telling Muslims, is the needs to repent from your sins. Ask Jesus for forgiveness. It was because of my sins and your sins, that Jesus was crucified.
You can pray right now, at your PC-table. Just say:
– Lord Jesus, I accept you as my savior. Please forgive me my sins. Come into my heart. Amen.
may be you havnt seen but there has been war waged on innocent muslims …for nothing.
so the muslims would be hostile….
if you read the quraan and understood it… or asked a muslim to translae it to you…then you wouldnt assume the quraan teaches voilence. but u prefer to read certain stanzas… and think what you want.
I will pray…o allah help this lost soul…for he is blinded.
Huzaifah,
If you read the HOLY WORD OF GOD you can learn many things, including the LOVE CHRIST has for you.
We do love christ its just we dont believe he is god
To bro Ivar,(and Muslim and Christian friends here):
You are most welcome and thanks too.Peace be unto you (Salam)!
Pls be informed that the Holy Qur-an is written in arabic only and if there are translations being done, they must go back and use the arabic as language.This is to avoid any ammendments in Qur-an. Consequently, if there is even one (1) letter being modified in the Qur-an, it is no longer the Qur-an since in that sense, it was corrupted. Words of God must not be changed since it is perfect.Otherwise, we are inserting our personal interests and allowing things which are disallowed by Him.(There are words in Qur-an that cannot be translated to other languages)..Hope this serves you sir..
But, Don’t you think that it is a GOOD CHALLENGE FOR ALL TO BUILD BROTHERHOOD,PEACE AND HARMONY AND TRUTH IN THIS WORLD?WHY KEEP HATRED SIMPLY due to the irresponsible acts of some (let us condemn them, be it in Islam, Christianity, etc). Islam never teaches evil things as I believe Christianity and others too..am I right?
Please read the quotes from Qur-an below: (To my brother Muslims, please do not argue, reflect with these:
Quotes From Holy Quran
He is the One GOD; the Creator, the Initiator, the Designer. To Him belong the most beautiful names. Glorifying Him is everything in the heavens and the earth. He is the Almighty, Most Wise. [59:24]
Those who believed and led a righteous life are the best creatures. [98:7]
Their reward at their Lord is the gardens of Eden with flowing streams, wherein they abide forever. GOD is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him. Such is the reward for those who reverence their Lord. [98:8]
O children of Adam, we have provided you with garments to cover your bodies, as well as for luxury. But the best garment is the garment of righteousness. These are some of GOD’s signs, that they may take heed. [7:26]
Your Lord has commanded that you worship none but Him, and be kind to parents. If either or both of them reach old age with you, do not rebuke them, but speak to them in terms of honor and kindness. Treat them with humility, and say, ‘My Lord! Have mercy on them, for they did care for me when I was little’. [17:23-4].
Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. God does not love transgressors. [2:190].
If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things. [8:61]
O mankind! We created you from a single soul, male and female, and made you into nations and tribes, so that you may come to know one another. Truly, the most honored of you in Gods sight is the greatest of you in piety. God is All-Knowing, All-Aware. [49:13]
“There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.”. [2:256]
Hold to forgiveness, command what is right; but turn away from the ignorant.” [7:199]
“Have patience with what they say, and leaves them with noble (dignity).” [73:10]
“And the servants of Allah . . . are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say ‘Peace'” [25:63]
“Allah is with those who restrain themselves.” [16: 128]
“And if you punished, let your punishment be proportionate to the wrong that has been done to you; but if you show patience, that is indeed the best course. [16:126]
“The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto: but if a person forgets and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah.” [62:40]
Whoever kills another one without justifiable cause, surely he is killing all of humanity. And whoever saves the life of another one, surely he saves the lives of all of humanity. [Sura Al Ma’aidah: Ayah 32]
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The Quran is evil. It has the same problem as the old testament of the bible. No Jesus. Without Jesus to explain what he meant by the verses the Muslims stole from Judaism they turn into stoning in the streets and Sharia law. The Black horse of revelations. Black like a judge. Note that the rider of the black horse offers wheat, barley, oil and wine. All symbolic of religious doctrine. The pale horse, death and hell follows.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
It is very unfortunate, that you deny that Jesus is the author of the Old Testament. He Has ALWAYS been.
Please read the Bible, and learn from your past mistakes. I will not remind you again.
1 Corinthians 10: 1-5.
For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
(end of scripture).
Now, you please tell me, who is this Christ who followed the Jews out of Egypt?
Dear Aldrin.
Shalom, and thanks for a long reply. Try to make the next shorter. Take a point at a time, and rather make many comments.
You wrote:
There are words in Qur-an that cannot be translated to other languages..Hope this serves you sir..
My reply:
Well, if this is true, than it will be impossible for you to explain the teachings of Muhammad in English. Islam should be contained to the religion of Arabs only.
Appeal to all Muslim brothers and sisters ! Please stop responding to this thread ! We losing time with people who dont want to open their eyes and who think that they are on the right path ! Let them be as we wont be able to guide people who even Allah dont want them to be guided !
It is mentioned in the Quran that >They are not blind but they are worst than the blinds, they are not deaf but they are worst than the deafs !<
So all Muslim breathen lets stop, lets say Salaam and leave the blind and deaf to their own little world !
Salaam am off !
Another thing Muslims stole from the bible. Dust of your feet and have nothing to do with the wicked ones. Funny as hell. So let me get this straight. God spent all that time making himself known by the prophets. 1000’s of years from the time he spent with Moses until He came in the flesh as Jesus the Messiah. All that then he picks a prophet from among the Arabs to correct all his mistakes, re-write his word and dedicate it to a different God headquartered in Saudia Arabia? Ha, nothing shady going on there…lmao.
If jesus was god , why would he allow muhammed to write another book ( which your’ll state is lies). Wouldnt he have stopped it?? LMAO
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom, and thanks for making this site an interesting site with debate on faith.
You asked:
If jesus was god , why would he allow muhammed to write another book ( which your’ll state is lies). Wouldnt he have stopped it??
My reply:
This is a very good question, indeed. I feel you have to ask Jesus this question. He is alive, and He will surely answer all Muslims who pray to Him. He died for the sins of every Muslim, and Has promised to not reject anyone who call up on Him, using His name.
Huzaifah,
Your comment: If jesus was god , why would he allow muhammed to write another book ( which your’ll state is lies). Wouldnt he have stopped it?? LMAO
My Comment: There is no question of “if.” Jesus is God Please read John 10:30
And as to the other part of your question: why would God allow Muhammed to write another book?
The book Muhammed wrote is no comparison to the Words of God (The Holy Bible.) As to the why of it? Jesus did warn us about false teachers in advance.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
God Bless.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
jesus didnt say that john did…its funny how you only remember the statement abt false prophets…. Jesus himself in the old testament said that there would be another prophet. Which u deny.
Huzaifah
Shalom.
Thanks for reading the Bible. It is a wonderful book.
The Old testament is the Hebrew Bible, that Jesus taught from when he preached. He explained to the Jews what the scriptures said about Him self, and what God the Father desired the Jews to do for Him.
There are many prophets in the Old Testament. Both true, and false. You have to read this book. Its existing stuff.
If you are living in a Muslim country were Bibles are not available, please read the bible online. Here is a good site.
http://www.biblegateway.com/
Both John and Jesus warned about false prophets, coming after Jesus had departed.
Le me show you one of the verses, were Jesus gave us such a warning.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
Likisormala,
You do not have to leave. We love spreading the Word of Christ.
Romans 8:38-39
For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
No jason we say why fight with people who are blind to the truth….
Loopholes look at your different bibles which is true… LOl only jesus knows…
Your’ll have so many.
Huzaifah,
If you read the bible, and repent asking God for forgiveness, you will see the truth.
John 10:30 I and the father are one.
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
You didnt answer me which bible is true
Huzaifah.
You asked:
You didnt answer me which bible is true
My reply:
The Bible has been translated into 200 languages. Which of them do you prefer? I can give you one in Urdu, and I can give you one in English?
I have a New International version. (NIV).
You can read this Bible online on this site.
http://www.biblegateway.com/
As I already have explained: 98 per cent of the text in different Bible translations are the same. I prefer the NIV version, because the English used is easy to understand.
lol..brother ivar you sound silly…
is the old testament tru,or the new testament,or the book of banabus…
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
Your wrote:
lol..brother ivar you sound silly…
is the old testament tru,or the new testament,or the book of banabus…
My reply:
You are right. We can all sound silly many times during a day. I guess her Muslims and Christians are equally sinners.
Jesus quoted from the Old Testament. He confirmed the correctness of the Jewish scriptures. The New Testament is the confirmation about Jesus using the Old Testament to explain who God the Father is to the Jews.
The gospel of Barnabas is a false gospel. It was written down more than 150 years after Jesus had left back to the throne of His Father in Heaven.
the book of barnabas is known to be false… because it was the book that was true… and that has about another propther of God Muhammed…. Read it … you will see… that a book that was written 150 years after jesus left… had the coming of muhammed.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
You wrote:
The book of Barnabas had the coming of muhammed.
My reply:
There is a search option in the right column on this blog. Please feel free to use it.
If you had searched for the Gospel of Barnabas, this article would have surfaced.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2009/09/29/gospel-of-barnabas-claims-jesus-told-muhammad-is-the-messiah/
Brother Ivar… the link you have posted about the gospel of barnabas….
Can you give reference to where in the book it states that the quraan is a false book and muhammed is not a messiah…
Bcoz i just see you stating a man Al- Farroq said its not in the gospel.
You have given ref to the claim jesus is not a son of god.
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
You asked:
Can you give reference to where in the book it states that the quraan is a false book and muhammed is not a messiah…
My reply:
The book of Barnabas is a false book. It is not found in the Bible, and will never be.
Did you read the article?
Why is it a false book?
Dear Huzaifah
Shalom.
You asked:
Why is it a false book?
I have explained this in the article. Please read it.
Alas!!!
someone confessing he is confused about islam teachings and the only thing he stuck to it is fear cos islam is politics in saudi and if you discuss it you”ll be killed…yet this is the religion of force some people claim to find faith in…..there’s a lot of loopholes and it’s been revealed, why do people just want to be destroyed??? Believe in Christ and his ways and you shall be saved.
link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL4upLajJSc&feature=related
Don’t know why a christian pastor should care about what the muslims are doing. Jesus said , you were hungry I gave you bread. So, If nobody is hungry for the words of Jesus there is more time for golf. It isn’t like bible prophesy indicates Christ would triumph by the works of mans hands, the whole world is expected to become wicked and reject Christ before his return.
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and good to see you. We have just crossed 15.000 guest today. More than 12.000 Muslims, who are wants to debate on who Jesus is. Please help me, and handled lost souls with wisdom and care.
we not lost… we trying to showyou the lost ones the way
Ok Ivar,
Jesus is hard to explain and understand. The sum of the whole bible is merely a candle in the darkness. Jesus was the son of God, made flesh to die for the sins of mankind that we might be saved. He was given power a little less than that of the Angels. He died and was resurrected and has inherited all things from God the father. He dwells in all of us if anyone should listen and hear his voice. He stands at the door and knocks, if any man should open the door he will talk with you. To open the door you must believe, and study his word so that you understand.
Dear Ed.
Shalom, and thanks for joining.
I do not agree that Jesus is hard to explain, neither is He hard to understand. But I do agree that all people must read the Bible, to see who He really was, Is and forever will be.
Ed,
You said: The whole world is expected to become wicked.
My Comment: Jesus will come to rapture those that believe in him.
The burning of the Quran by a pastor with a congregation of merely 12people max 50 can do no harm to Allah and his messenger (saws). You see it is the promise of Allah almighty to protect the reminder (Quran) and surely He will protect it. What people fail to understand is that they can burn the physical book which is printed in many Islamic states mainly Saudi , but it only takes one hafiz (protector of the Quran who has memorized the whole Quran by heart) to sit Down and recite from memory, and the scribes can start over. They cannot burn the hearts of such people chosen by Allah, this in itself is a miracle only if you were to ponder.
I am wondering if this Gloria and Iver who are extremely well versed in the bible and Quran can explain what is the first rule of any person especially a Muslim when they want to recite the Quran? Then what is the second rule? And then followed by the third? They (Gloria and iver) claim it was revealed by the devil (cursed be him) so it’s very important to put such allegations to the test. I want to use their answers as a touch stone and decide wether what they say is true or false. Please do answer me if u speak the truth, and then we can take it from there.
Also Gloria and iver please answer one question of mine. How is jesus the “SON” of God almighty? It baffles me! I need an explanation, I understand nowadays you can have a baby (for humans/mamals/animals) without physically being touched by a male (but better yet still requiring the sperm to conceive). How did God have this “son”? Did he also have a wife? Did God perform the actions of the lowly animals of having intercourse? Or better did he beget a son? If he begotten a son, was it a physical procedure of how a mother goes through childbirth? If so then God must require a vigina or any other passage for the baby to pass! Remember the word “BEGOTTEN” was on your holy bible king James version which you have now taken off the shelves!
So Gloria and ivor the two great scholars of faith please don’t be shy in answering the questions above, I like to keep an open mind.
My final question and by the way I’m not taking the pi** I’m very serious. How did God create Adam? I beleive he did not have a mother or father? Unless otherwise stated in the holy bible! So my question is, does Adam not have the right to be worshipped over Jesus as he was created without a mother or father?
Oh yes and on the day of reckoning , why will God (Jesus) act as a ambassador for the guilty in front of God who is on the throne waiting to judge? Still amuses me! Anyone ever heard of the holy spirit dying? No, didn’t think so, but still they are “one person” if you catch my drift (trinity).
“they (Jesus and Mary a.s.) eat food like how u do” is that not enough for the people of the book to reflect upon?
Peace to those who follow guidance
Dear Dizzy.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Your question:
Also Gloria and Ivar please answer one question of mine. How is jesus the “SON” of God almighty? It baffles me! I need an explanation.
My reply:
God the Almighty is a tribune God. Three in One. They are One, always in agreement. They are eternal. It does not matter to Father, Son and Spirit what man feels or think about this. If you accept The Son, God will come with His spirit and convince you that you just have read the truth. Amen.
Amen Ivar.
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Weigall.htm
Arthur Weigall wrote the book :’Paganism in Our Christianity’:
“Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word Trinity appear. The idea was only adopted by the church three hundred years after the death of our lord”
Alas!
Muslims are encourage to lie even by mohammed
Alas!
The topic of fighting is more mentioned in the quran than anything. Islam is not actually a religion of peace
link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64V09tTIjR4&feature=related
“la ilaha illahu muhammadur rasulullah”
“THERE IS NO GOD ONLY ALLAH, MUHAMMAD IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH”
the son the holy spirit and god… what load of nonsense?
lolololol hilarious.
in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit…. a bunch of confused people.
lolololol
Mohammed believed a lie told from the devil.
2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
Gloria, i’m in shock from your comments!you are suffering from islamophobia definately you judging a decente prophet by your ignorance to his beloving personnality, does your bible encourage you to curse the last prophet to man kind? don’t react and judge the book from its cover wait till you read all the pages, you are been manupilated into this hatering comments.
we apreciaTE IF YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT PLEASE IF YOU DON’T HAVE NICE constructive knoledgable notes,TO SAY! YOU AND YOURE FELLOW hYPOCRATES ISLAMO PHOBIC MATES.DON’T REPLY TO MY MESAGE AS ITS DIRECTED TO ALL HATERS.Thanx.
Nino,
My comments aren’t meant to shock anyone. I’ve state the truth, which is God’s word.
Jesus warned us ahead of time of false prophets, so we wouldn’t lose our salvation. By stating Mohammed was a false teacher, I state the truth.
I do not bring judgment because only God can do that.
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Bismillah elrahman elrahim:<> sadaka allahu aladhim.
lolololol hilarious.
in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit…. a bunch of confused people.
lolololol
its very easy to copy and paste
It is easy to copy and paste you’re right.
But I copy and pase THE HOLY WORD OF GOD. You copy and paste lies.
John 16:13
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
Dear Feroz.
Shalom.
If you have nothing more fruitful to share, please go offline.
I. Jesus (A.S.) In Islam
Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified. We believe that he was raised to heaven and is there, and will descend at the appointed time, end all wars, and bring peace to the world.
(edited).
Dear Feroz.
As the editor I use my right to edit messages that I feel are to long. Please write short and to the point.
That is a very long post, and honestly too long for me to read write now.
Your Comment: Muslims do believe that Isa (A.S.) was sent down as a Prophet of Allah (God), but he (Jesus) is not God or Lord, nor the son of God. Muslims do not believe that Isa (A.S.), also known as Jesus by Christians and others, is dead or was ever crucified.
My Comment:
1 Thessalonians 4:14
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep.
so whats your point??
Feroz,
This is my ultimate point.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
Son of God
It is claimed that jesus was the only son of the trinity bcoz he was the only son of god, but there are others also mentioned in the bible.
1.Thus says the lord that ,Israel is my son even my first born( exodus 4: 22)
2.Blessed are the peacemakers : for they shall be called the CHILDREN OF GOD ( John 5:9)
3.But as many as received him, to them gave he the power to become the SONS OF GOD ( John 1 :12)
4. Seth which was the son of adam which was the SON OF GOD. ( Isaiah 54 :2)
How many sons did god have? Where they all god?
Dear Huzaifah.
Shalom.
Thanks for reading the Bible. Its is a wonderful book.
You asked:
How many sons did God have. Where they all God?
My reply:
It is true that God has many sons. I am one of them. But Jesus is the only begotten Son. Not a created being. He is the co-creator.
Jesus was completely human, and shared our humanity. He was tempted but never sinned, and took our capital punishment on the cross Because He was a complete Human, Jesus is also called the Son of man in the Bible.
Jesus is also divine. He came from our Father in Heaven, and returned to the Father. Jesus rose from the dead after three days. He is alive. He is God the Son.
If you accept this as the truth, you will also become a Child of God.
Ok if jesus came from the father in heaven ( does this not mean that jesus is not god, if there is another being in heaven.)
If jesus is now god what happened to the being in heaven( you called father) which you said i quote :
He came from our Father in Heaven, and returned to the Father.
I was always curious why is it your paryer from jesus says: Our father who art in heaven( WHY NOT MY FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN)
Hallowed be thy name.(WHY NOT HALLOWED BE MY NAME)
Huzaifah,
Your comment: I was always curious why is it your paryer from jesus says: Our father who art in heaven( WHY NOT MY FATHER WHO ART IN HEAVEN)
Hallowed be thy name.(WHY NOT HALLOWED BE MY NAME)
My Comment: That particular prayer is said by the Catholics. I think Ivar has stated numerous times that he is not catholic, that he believes in Jesus Christ. And so do I.
Your Comment: Ok if jesus came from the father in heaven ( does this not mean that jesus is not god, if there is another being in heaven.) If jesus is now god what happened to the being in heaven( you called father) which you said i quote : He came from our Father in Heaven, and returned to the Father.
My Comment: I believe also that it was said by Ivar and by myself, that Jesus Christ and God are one. There are numerous bible verses supporting this. Please read John 10:30
Also God is Almighty the Alpha and Omega (the beginning and end. You say: “Ok if jesus came from the father in heaven ( does this not mean that jesus is not god”
He is God which is why anything is possible with him.
OK SO SISTER GLORIA HE CAME FROM HIMSELF ( AS HE IS FATHER ) AND HE RETURNED TO HIMSELF.
QUOTE : He came from our Father in Heaven, and returned to the Father.
AH OK
Dear Huzaifah.
Shalom.
There is no need to ask the same questions again and again, and we give the same answer. If you are not willing to accept the truth, and least give us a brake.
This is the last time I answer the same question. Next time you will be spam.
Both God the Father and God the Son are eternal. No beginning and no end. If you have a problem with that, there is nothing more to say.
The Bible says we have a Father in Heaven, the Koran says we have not. The Bible says Jesus is God the Son, the Koran says he is not. Now it up to you. You are free to join billion people who believe the Bible tells he truth about Jesus.
this is what muslims believe about prophet ISA(peace be upon him) therefore why the hatred and lies about our beloved prophet muhammad s.a.w?
i call it IGNORANCE… you call it CHRISTIANITY!
Can everyone please use dignified and decent language and have an intelligent debate?
Dear KK.
Shalom, and thanks for rebuking us. I agree with you. Lets treat each other with respect, and use kind words. We can quote the Bible and the Koran. Let the words in these two books speak for them selves.
In regards to the life of Muhammad and Jesus, they lived different life. Jewish Jesus was not married. Muhammad had a dozen wife’s and one of them was a child. That do not count in favor of the Arab.
Muhammad (May Allah’s Abundant Peace and Blessings Be Upon Him, And His Family, And His Companions) and what he REALLY taught:
Indeed All Praise is Due To Allah, The Lord of Allah that Exists, May His Peace And Blessings Be Upon His Slave and Messenger Muhammad. I Testify That None Has The Right To Be Worshipped Except Allah, And I Testify That Muhammad Is His Slave and Final Messenger.
(edited).
Dear Umm Muhammad.
Shalom. I have shortened a very long message, Please write short messages, and focus on the topic of this debate.
Is it right to burn Koran or Bibles?
you answered the whole debate in your last ligne Ivar: Koran The one only wholy? OR the Bibles? means the various copies of man’s written renewed faked words!! my high respect to that they should be respeced and tampered by dirty poisoned sadists and childs abbusers who claims to be be saints!!respect to the prophet Issa el messih the son of the virgin pure meriam,as all allah creations peace upon their souls, and may allah forgive you all for the fake lies you claim that he’s the son of god, without any knowledge! la ilaha ila allah muhammad rassoul allah.
Dear Nino.
Shalom.
Thanks for all kind of comments.
I feel this debate is approaching its closure. People seems to have less interesting points to make, and a hurdle of insults will not take us anywhere.
It has been an interesting debate, were the differences between Muhammad and Jesus have been made obvious. People are free to chose whom of them they want to Obey.
Please chose wisely.
Everyone please remember that Islam has one message to the whole world: ‘LOVE FOR ALL, HATRED FOR NONE’. If all of us can adhere to this teaching, the world would be a much better place for everyone, Inshallah
The HOLY WORD OF GOD says:
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all that you do be done in love.
Dear KK.
Shalom.
You must be aware that the Koran has verses that demand Jihad, that Muslims must cripple and kill those who do not obey Muhammad.
What do you think about such verses?
Ivar,
You take these verses out of context. These verses were revealed as a result of muslims being killed and persecuted. Even when they left Mecca, they continued to be perseucted. Allah allowed self-defence in such situations. Also, the verses you refer to, was when only 313 muslims (men, women and children) were to fight in self-defence against 1000 Meccan army. They fought for their lives, for their survival…hardly the picture that you are portraying.
can any Christian tell me events that happened in there live’s 20 years ago day to day events with out any written documents to hand without making errors. not easy so how do u think the saints that wrote the gospels 60 to 100 years after jesus left this world who were not even there. how accurate can this book be. also people say muslim women r made to cover by wearing hijab you do not understand st pauls gospel tells Christian women to cover from head to there ankles you only see this in nuns. most of you are part time Christian’s. even in the bible old testement there were plenty of time killing others are mentioned
but no u you change your book u have so many diffrent bible all amended and written by man. how many of you have read the old testement the one that has not had verse’s taken out to suit man and there greed.
Dear Blue.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You raises an important question. Is the New Testament of the Bible reliable?
My answer is yes. The New Testament is the story of Jesus quoting from the scriptures that was already available. Jesus taught from the Torah from He got up in the morning, till he went to bed in the evening.
Remember there was no New Testament when Jesus walked on Earth.
How do we now Jesus taught correctly?
Well, to answer such a question, we have to study the Hebrew scriptures.
Blue,
I am a beliver of Jesus Christ. Twenty years ago, I was 14 years of age, and still believed in Jesus Christ.
The bible was written in direction of the Holy Sprit. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one.
Dear Blue.
Shalom.
You wrote:
even in the bible old testement there were plenty of time killing others are mentioned.
My reply:
The Old Testament of the Bible is the story of mankind, that needs to be saved. Its a preparation for the coming of the Messiah. If there was no fault with men, there was no reason for Jesus to come to Earth, and be crucified for our sins.
Everybody has the right to be repected no matter what background or culture they are from this man had no right to burn the Quran Shareef.
Dear SS.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I have written in the article, that no Christian should burn the Koran. It is a wicked thing to do. I want to encourage all to read the Koran. The book that is the foundation of Islam has more than 140 verses that promotes Jihad. Muhammad wanted his followers to cripple and kill people who did not submit to His teachings.
hi gloria i’d just like to say that you call yourself a christian and that you follow in jesus teachings but from the converstaions that i have seen TUT! TUT!
you have no respect for anyone or anyones religion in fact your almost a hypocrite! you follow in his teachings when in fact you are dishonouring him at the same time! if you have nothing peaceful to say then say nothing at all! DO NOT DIRESEPECT ISLAM! you see it is people like you and many other people of many religions including islam my religion, who say that they are doing acts of God/Allah but in fact are disgracing their religion with their actions and ways of thinking shame on you Gloria!
And id just like to say that my prophet Muhammed (SAW)
is not a peodofile in fact he is a man worthy of praise and an inspiration to all as the only reason he would marry girls of a certain age was due to the fact that he wanted to give his name to them so that no harm would ever come to them.
in my religion we respect all prophets and their teachings can you say that your religion also does that and if so then why dishonour my prophet!
Id also like to add on that ISLAM TEACHES PEACE!
what is the use of making this a debate….let the kaafir do what they want…how much they can do?how much quran they can burn? in all muslim heart there s quraan..those who are fighting for jesus…jesus never said that im the son of god…jesus never said worship me im god…if jesus are son of god then its absolutely clear that god are human like us he multiply….bullshit dude…see in san francisco what happen the said they will burn quran and then what happen…explosion my friend..open ur eyes and see what is the truth…the quraan or the bible
Dear Mouhinuddin.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
if jesus are son of god then its absolutely clear that god are human like us he multiply….bullshit dude…
My reply:
Jesus was God that decided to walk on Earth in the form of a man.
If God decides to do this, who are you to stop Him?
Jesus was completely human, so He could be tempted by the devil, still did not sin. And since he shared our humanity, He could also pay for the sins of humanity.
Jesus was also fully God. He forgave sins. Only God can forgive our sins.
Islam is a Living religion who is making so many people shitting in their pants ! And as always what you cannot counter or fight is evil …
At the end of the day YOU will lose and Islam will lead and you know this and you are afraid ! We are strong in our faith and we will always remain strong whatever you say or think, you can say whatever evil you want, you can send us to Gitmo you can do whatever come across your evil minds, Islaam, the religion of Truth, will always triumphate put this in your poor mind ! And prepare yourself for our meeting coz for sure we will meet on The Day of Judgement, then … then YOU will see what you denied !
We are not stressed, we are not living in a state of fear, we are not obssessed with security issues in our airports or ports or anywhere ! You are ! You are afraid, you are stressed, you live in fear, and you are in deep shit ! And with that way of poor reasoning like you doing now, you will be in deeper shit !
Viva Islam !
Dear Likisormala
You wrote:
We are not stressed, we are not living in a state of fear, we are not obssessed with security issues in our airports or ports or anywhere.
My reply:
It was not followers of Jesus who blew up aircraft’s in the early 1970-ties. It was Arab Palestinian terrorists. If I am not mistaken, they all shouted ” Allah is great”.
Be frank. That is not an act of peace. To kill your self for “allah”, might be right in the sight of a Muslim. But to cripple and kill others?
You talking of peace ? Talk about it to your Israeli counterparts !
Dear Likisormala
You wrote:
You talking of peace ? Talk about it to your Israeli counterparts !
My comment:
Now, we are entering a new topic. No longer this will be a debate about the Koran, and the Bible, Jesus and Muhammad.
Anyhow. The state of Israel holds only 0,2 per cent of the land in the Middle East. The Arabs have plenty of land, and should let the Jews live in peace.
How can you make that comment… Your people are killing innocent wmen ,women and children… You speak like that and you say YOU A MAN OF GOD….SHAME ON YOU
Dear huzaifah
Shalom.
I love to debate with you, and will surely try to answer all your questions.
But you are not very helpful. You should try to help me, to understand this verse from the Koran?
Is it mot violent behavior, Muhammad promotes in this verse of the Koran?
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
Dear Huzafiah.
Shalom.
I have told you earlier, that a true Christian has no permission to harm any Muslim. People who harm Muslims and claim to be followers of Jesus, have never known Him. I sincerely regret all kind of violence.
Have I made my self clear to you?
Dear all readers, and specially all of you who believe in Muhammad.
Shalom.
I am again about to put a brake on this debate. We have a couple of dishonest Muslims visiting this site, who make a mockery out of Islam, with comments in horrible filthy language. I will not allow them to come online with fake ID’s, while I have to take a brake.
I want to tell all of you, that Jesus loves you.
Lidisormala,
You wrote: And prepare yourself for our meeting coz for sure we will meet on The Day of Judgement, then … then YOU will see what you denied !
My comment: The ony one that can judge is JESUS CHRIST.
Helpfu
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
What you dont seem to understand is that Jesus (Prophet Issa for us Muslims) is our Prophet also and we do love him also but we do not pray him. He is one of our prophets among more than 140,000 who came and ended with Muhammad (Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him)the last Prophet. Muhammad (PBUH) came to confirm the religion of Jesus. Your early priests lead you astray when they made you believe that Jesus was son of Allah (Wa naUzubillah min Zaalik !)Allah has no son ! Pray Allay ! Do not pray a human like you ! By the way, did you know that Jesus (son of Mary) was a Muslim ?
Islam is the only religion.
Allah is the only Ilaah.
Muhammad is the last Messenger of Allah !
I bear witness that I believe in Allah and that Muhammad (SAW) is the Messenger of Allah.
You can come with whatever verse from the Bible, that will make no effect as my faith and the faith of all Muslim is inebranlable !
With this I end.
Likisormala,
I hope you come to understand that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. John 10:30
That Jesus died for our sins, and was resurrected. John 3:16
What you believe is in a lie, for GOD created everything.
I hope and pray that you will see the truth, and that Jesus Christ touches your heart.
God Bless.
Dear Likisormala
Shalom.
You are always welcome back.
You wrote:
Your early priests lead you astray when they made you believe that Jesus was son of Allah
My comment:
The problem is, that when Jesus walked on Earth, “allah” was the moon god they worshiped in Mecca. There was no Islam, and no prophet Muhammad.
Your prophet who brought the World the knowledge of “allah” was born 600 years after Jesus. So how could we have been lead astray?
Jesus said He came as a servant of God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. The Messiah never spoke about Mecca, the moon god, or an Arab prophet that would bring in a totally new book that would contradict the Bible.
Guys,
Just came across this and wish to ask, where exactly in the bible does Jesus ( PBUH) state the big plan of how he came to save us all by dying on the cross? And why did he cry on the cross ” Eli Eli Lamaa Sabakhtani?” which is asking in hebrew Why his Eli ( God in Hebrew) is forsaking him?. If this was all Gods plan from the beginning why did He bother to bring Abraham, Moses, Isaia, John the Baptist? Why not start or end with Jesus? The biggest sins during poor Jesus time was avarice and tax evasion, what of Today? so who will come to Die? Some things require sober reasoning not heated debate, life on earth is a transition, think carefully for yourself why God went to the lengths He did to make this world and us the way we are , then decide for your self. NO need to exchange harsh words online, it doesnt prove anything, Jesus Himself talks about how the blind will not see and the deaf will not hear,no different from the Quraan IN Albaqara – Deaf, Dumb and Blind – they will not be guided aright. And that parable story that my pastor tries to sell to me? I always remind him GOd has no reason to be shy – He is the Alpha and the Omega HIS message should be direct,not hidden under a stone.
I often ask my self these questions when I read the Bible, which incidentally was compiled in 350 Ad by an appointed council of men who decided that some books should be hidden and others edited and that was the very first time it was agreed that Christ Jesus would be called the Son of God, then they made their changes. To each their own belief and Faith however your own history as christians should help you get off the Ivory tower and find out about the Crusaders who killed in the name of Christianity. Oh and lets not forget Paul the real father of Christianity and how all his teaching went against those of Jesus.
I suspect Gloria and CO. have had the benefit of their pastors interpretation of the Quraan, not good enough if you are worth the paper your name is written on, get the facts yourself, read the whole Quraan, study it ( Like some of us do bible study) and decide for yourself. Oh and by the way, when you study Theology there is a semester where they teach about Islam and the Quraan, and I am so sad to say that it is all a bunch of lies what is taught, again think carefully and ask yourself why temptations still exists if Jesus has already died for our sins…..
Iman,
Your comment: Just came across this and wish to ask, where exactly in the bible does Jesus ( PBUH) state the big plan of how he came to save us all by dying on the cross?
My comment: John 3: 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Study the bible, and seek Christ with an open heart, and you too will see the truth.
Dear Imam.
Shalom.
You asked:
how he came to save us all by dying on the cross? And why did he cry on the cross ” Eli Eli Lamaa Sabakhtani?” which is asking in hebrew Why his Eli ( God in Hebrew) is forsaking him?.
My reply:
Jesus was completely human. He carried the sins of the World on the cross. He cried out to His Father in Heaven.
Behold, Jesus was also fully God. He is the author of life. He rose from the grave after three days, and will forever be our justification in front of God Almighty.
Imam. Give your life to Him, and you shall not perish.
ok wotever you so called christians are saying forget that and tell me how come you idots dont have same bible y there are so many different versions, how come God and christians cant protect and have one same bible,its embarrasing whereas QUR’AN has not change even a least bit since revealed.
Muslims as whole obey Jesus pbuh more that christian by not consuming pork meat, not drinking alcohol , not gambling , not having sex before marriage list goes on and on …. MIND IT im talking abt muslims as whole not abt few black sheeps
Kaldino,
You write: ok wotever you so called christians are saying forget that and tell me how come you idots dont have same bible y there are so many different versions,
THE HOLY WORD OF GOD contains the old and new testament. Every other “religious” book is a lie, because no other book contains the WORDS OF CHRIST.
God Bless.
you got me wrong love i means to say RSV king james etc etc few have more verses few have less verses and they dont even match and have lots of discrepancies.
At one place its also say the one of the Prophet astagfiruAllah had sex with his own daughter, and you call it word of God LOL
Please answer the rest of the questions in my previous question as well or you dont have answers for’em
Dear Kaldino.
Shalom.
I would like to know more about your knowledge of the Bible.
Can you give me good examples of where the RSV translation and the King James translation tell a different story?
Dear Kaldino.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Muslims as whole obey Jesus pbuh more that christian by not consuming pork meat, not drinking alcohol , not gambling , not having sex before marriage list goes on and on.
My reply.
You should read the Bible, before you claim to know that Muslims follow the teachings of Jesus. Did you know that the first miracle Jesus performed, was to make water into wine to be consumed in a Jewish wedding.
The Bible permit Christians to eat pork. In regards to Gambling, I feel the biggest casino in the Middle East are in Kuwait.
Muhammad him self had sex with a little girl. So I guess you shout excommunicate Him from the true understanding of Islam.
i can take this debate very long BUT the only answer for you all ignorant dum bustards is OSMAMA BIN LADEN LOL
Dear Kaldino.
Shalom.
May God of the Bible bless OSMAMA.
Kaldino,
Please watch your language. Osama Bin Laden will have to answer to God one day, the same as those who have rejected his word.
God Bless.
A last reply before I go ! The Quran did not come to contradict the Bible ! The Bible WAS a book from God also (like the Zabur, Ingeel and Thora) but it was modified / falsified thus no more authentic. The Quran came to clear this all, its the last Book and till now it has never been modified / falsified and it will never be.
You follow the religion of Jesus ? Then you should be a Muslim because Jesus was a Muslim. And you must continue as the religion was not ended with Jesus. Is was smoothened by Muhammad who came to complete Islaam.
Its no use trying to make a blind see ! But as a Muslim I pray to Almighty Allah to guide you and make you open your eyes and see the truth. Else i fear that Hellfire is waiting for you !
Repent as you still have time to do so !
Likisormala,
You write: You follow the religion of Jesus ? Then you should be a Muslim because Jesus was a Muslim. And you must continue as the religion was not ended with Jesus. Is was smoothened by Muhammad who came to complete Islaam.
My comment: Muhammed was a liar and a man…simply a man. He was not a god or a prophet, since he refused to acknowledge only Jesus Christ can save.
Romans 5:8 But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Dearest Likisormala
Shalom.
You wrote:
You follow the religion of Jesus ? Then you should be a Muslim because Jesus was a Muslim.
My reply:
Regardless of how hard you try, this strange message can never become the truth. Jesus who lived 600 years before there was a single Muslim on the face of the Earth, can never have been a Muslim. He was a Jew. Born by a Torah observant Jewish virgin, and raised in a Jewish family.
To ivarfjeld and gloria
As a late comer to this conversation I just wanted to say that you have failed to realise that one of the reasons that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent was to confirm to the Jews that Isa (jesus) upon whom be peace was sent by Allah (as the Jews believed he was a false Prophet), that they failed to kill him (you may take issue with that) and that he would return towards the end of time (yes we believe in his second coming too!). So to say we are satanic does huge diservice to the above and does not make sense. To say the Quran is satanic makes no sense as the Quran is in agreement with a lot of judeo-christian teaching. I say judeo- christian as the Quran upholds a lot of the Commandments just as the early christian, particularly the family of Christ did.
In its moral teaching it goes against all that satan calls for, from the oneness of God to the belief in Judgement day (something which satan would want us to forget about), I could go on. So i recommend that you read the Quran rather that copy and pasting from other sites to better understand Islam as I could do the same thing with the Bible.
Lastly when we say that Isa on whom be peace was a muslim what we mean by it is that the definition of Muslim is one who submits to the worship of the creator Allah. Allah has created Adam and Huwa (Eve)and they submit themselves in worship to their creator and so they were Muslims, and all who follwed them in worshipping Allah are Muslims and all the Prophets and Messengers sent by Allah are Muslims including Abraham, Moses, John the baptist, Isa and their followers. The practicing Jews at the time of Isa (Jesus) were muslims up untill the point they rejected Isa (Jesus) after which they were no longer Muslims and the ones that followed Isa(Jesus) remained as Muslims as they followed the Prophet who was fortold in their scriptures.
was you there that you know he was a jew you can look in books and boook and books but can you back it up books dont prove sh1t i dont care so dont be telling us he was a jew kmg
then by your reckoning christians arent christians at all, their all jews like their saviour! but alas oh no wait stop the press!!! wasnt jesus p.b.u.h shunned by the jews and left to hang on a cross by the romans ?? mhmmmmm now is he jewish or what ?? because if he is i wouldnt want to be jewish otherwise i might be left hanging too.
Dear Mhus.
Shalom, and tanks for debating on this site.
Was Jesus hanged on the cross by Jews or Romans?
Jesus was not hanged. He was nailed to the cross. Crucified. You are correct that it was Italian officers from Rome who “killed’ Jesus. But they did not manage to get rid of Him, just like Satan had hopped. If Jesus died, than He was only a mortal man, and a great prophet.
The good News is that Jesus if the author of life. He rose from the dead, and is alive today. In fact the resurrected Master Jesus showed Him self to 500 Jewish witnesses after He had risen. They were the first Messianic believers in God the Son.
To all,
I have been at Ivar’s site since 8 this morning. It has been an interesting debate. Now it is time for me to leave, and pick up my children.
To Ivar: May God continue to bless you for spreading his word, the truth.
To the rest: Christ died for our sins, so that we could have everlasting life through him, if we accept him.
I have been in the presence of Christ, and at separate times, I have seen what awaits those who do not accept him.
Pick up the Holy Word of God. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain.
May God touch all of your hearts, so you will see the truth.
God Bless you all.
Dear Gloria and everyone else who are calling my beloved Prophet a lier and are trying to prove that Muslims are terrorists. So,
1. Our prophet is not a lier as I can prove it with the examples and even history can’t deny it.
2. In the Bible Christ has said: “But as for those my enemies, who would not have me reign over them, bring them hither and kill them before me.” The above verse has been taken from Luke 19 verse 27. Can you please explain what is it all about if its not terrorism? And can you please prove even a single sentence from Quran where it has said that kill innocent non-muslims where ever you see them? Well you will not find anything such like that in it. As Islam is not only a religion its a way of life too.
Seriously can everybody stop insulting one another.. we all believe in God.. isnt that good enough.. And for all those that are going against Islam and saying disrespectful things about Allah.. Allah means ‘One God’ in arabic.. You believe in that there is only one God and so do we… The problem with you guys is that you are creating your own rubbish up and using it to defend yourselves against the other muslims that have commented here.. The truth is that your Old Testament was the same as the Quran but you guys decided to change it to suit your benefits and needs. The Quran is a way of life.. Teaches you to respect one another regardless of Religion or Race.. Islam obviously has had certain idiots giving it a bad name but then again there are many Christians out there.. (some whom are the popes themselves aka pedofiles) that give Christianity a bad name.. You just got to cut out on the hatred.. Does your Bible say to offend or hate other humans? I dont think so.. Anyways stop hating on Muslims.. After all were all humans.. Why cant we just all live in peace instead of being pointed fingers at.. Stop accusing Muslims for every silly little thing that happens in the World.. Muslims starting getting haters when the twin towers incident happened.. But since then you Americans have killed SOOOO many innocent Muslims.. Purely for revenge and stealing oil purposes.. So enough is enough.. Just cut out the crap now.. And leave us Muslims alone.. We are not perfect and neither are you.. So lets just leave it there!
Christians are very ignorant and many of them are liars. Same with jews. Islaam is the truth. Its obvious and clear to anyone with half a brain. I’m english brought up without religion but its so obvious that islaam is the only religion that tells the truth and makes sense and u wud have to be a monkey not to see that. Respect to the muslims. Don’t listen to all the bs tat these liars chat bout on the telly and don’t waste ur breath worryin bout it becos when u die u will be proven right and this lot won’t be able to chat any more rubbish. Peace
Salam
i took time to read the first few comments, but was unable to read the rest because…well…i believe the point has been missed. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the seal of all prophets. his coming was mentioned by prophet Isa (AS). how many versions of the bible exist today? to be a good christian, which would you have to follow? if you do choose the right one, then you will no doubt be on your way to finding truth and peace, which is what Islam stands for. the teachings of the Qur’an remain the same, unlike the Bible today. do not blaspheme because you misunderstand what you read from your holy scripture.
Ma’assalam
all you so called christians are scared about islam thats why you all go about burning there books that shows your fear and then you say its by satan and all your bogessness but remember one thing i dont understand how you hate on muslims they didnt kill your god try and remember who crusified your god it wasnt the muslims so before you burn there books you need to stop saying prophets rote your books because it is a fact people been changing the “bible” historians and what no.
O yeh aisha was pubescent. The bible is full of nonsense. Hope dat clears up m8tee boiz lies up der. I’m off to get some real good virgin sex now. Lataz
Just heard obamas 13 year old dorta is 5′ 9” special prize to da man dat can stik a niqaab on dat and marry it and ride it out all nite and show her all about wot she been missin. Brrraappppzzzzzzz. Stuff u fake ass lyin christian jew woteva da hell u call urselves. U shudda neva transgressed and lied about gods word. Wait. We will c.
The reason that the Quoran hasn’t been tampered with is because the devil doesn’t need to. He did a good job with it.
The Bible has been the target of the devil from the beginning because he hates it so much. He just loves it when he can get people to rewrite it or change things around or point out what they perceive as errors, etc.
The Catholic church was developed by the devil to deceive the world into thinking that Catholicism is true Christianity. That is why many believers in Allah are so mislead about Christianity. The Catholic church also was the biggest persecutor of Christians and Jews for many centuries and was against the translation of the Bible into common languages like English or French or even it being read by the average person. The fighting between Muslims and Catholics, the crusade period, did not include Christians. It was between Catholics and Muslims.
The first thing to understand is that we are all born once of earthly parents. Jesus spoke of being born again. That is a spiritual birth, just as real and involving as the first birth in flesh and blood. That is what Christianity is all about. That is the beginning of a person’s walk with God.
In order for Islam to work, the Bible has to be discredited. In order for Catholicism to work, the Bible has to be discredited. In order for Mormonism to work the Bible has to be discredited. In order for evolution and atheism to work the Bible has to be discredited. It sure looks like a lot of people have a problem with the Bible and Jesus being the Messiah and Savior of the world, in whom we have forgiveness of sins and everlasting life and in Him alone we are complete.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
congratulations you just shot yourself in the foot again. to quote:
A Christian is a Christian is a Christian
Being a Christian is not a denomination. Catholocism is a Christian denomination. Being Christian is simply a matter of believing that Jesus died for our sins and was resurected from the dead. It is simply accepting the fact that all men are sinners, including ourselves and accepting the grace that God provided through the sacrifice of his son.
There is no Christian VS Catholic any more than there is Christian VS Baptist or Methodist or any other denomination.
Now if you were referring to differences between protestant and catholic, that is a different issue. But even there the differences are based in tedium and differences in tradition. Both incorporate the same God and the same saviour.
so basically cathlocism is simply A SECT of christianity as is being a born again christian.
why does the bible need discrediting for islam to work? the quran contains alot of in depth accounts which can also be found in the bible, are you saying the bible is also falsified meaning christianity is also false ? google for the answer and come back to me on that one.
ivarfjeld says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:32 am
“Dear Likisormala
Shalom.
You are always welcome back.
You wrote:
Your early priests lead you astray when they made you believe that Jesus was son of Allah
My comment:
The problem is, that when Jesus walked on Earth, “allah” was the moon god they worshiped in Mecca. There was no Islam, and no prophet Muhammad.
Your prophet who brought the World the knowledge of “allah” was born 600 years after Jesus. So how could we have been lead astray?
Jesus said He came as a servant of God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. The Messiah never spoke about Mecca, the moon god, or an Arab prophet that would bring in a totally new book that would contradict the Bible.”
Errrrr actually Islam is the religion of prophet Abraham p.b.u.h who coincidentely was in arabia, hence the black stone, Makkah, and Hajj. wouldnt expect you to know any better though being so ignorant. whoever said “ignorance is bliss” was right ignorace is bliss in this life but it is going to cost you a heavy price in the next. Considering you want to debate the knowledge you have or should i say lack is astounding you dont have the faintest clue about anything other then your so called religion. Whats even more astounding is the fact you claim other religions to be false and yours to be true even though you really dont have the faintest what your babbling on about. it looks like your just randomnly throwing together quotes and praying they make sense and are airtight so not too many questions are asked. And gloria seems to be quoting the same verse over and over which i find pretty hilarious since she seems to be a parrot stuck in a loop. good luck with your debate although you will probably find it more helpful to verify what you want to say beforehand rather then just posting randomn dribble about another religion.
I do not understand one very simple thing, why people do not still think that there is only one true and wealthy god, who is the god of ADAM, ABRAHAM, Issac, Moses, Jesus and finaly Muhammad.(PBU all).All prophet was Muslim. Muslim meaning is the ‘surrender to one god’. All prophets left one message to all mankind that, ‘just follow one god’.
If christian believe that jesus is their god, or son of god and they also believe jesus has been tempted by satan(it is written in their own bible) according to , according to, according to sorry I forgot who it was, how it is possible that god can be tempted by satan.
And also they believe that God has been crucified.It is so rediculas. God cannot not be crucified or dead.
If it is the actual case then he is not a god.
They also gave a reference from bible that jesus said, me and my father is one.Most of christian has been misguided with this sentense. If it is true,I found a logical conclusion that jesus told his companion that if someone follows jesus commandment, that means he is following Gods commandment.
If jesus is son of god, what about Adam. He was also created without father. He is also son of GOD. Actually this son is not begotten son, this is symbolic son.We everybody is the son of god as god created us.
May allah give us knowledge to understand the fact.
I will tell my christian bro please read and understand quran, as we read your bible. No one need any intermediary to go to haven or hell if you have one to one relationship with your creator. Every person will be responsible for their own sins or good deeds.And also no doubt every human child born as innocent baby.
Logical conclusion is better than just only defending your faith, without answering so many why? I think the reader will decide who is right and who is wrong.
Dear Liton.
Shalom.
I found, and released the two comments you wanted to see published. This is a site of free expression, and I do not want to censor genuine people.
Your comment:
Logical conclusion is better than just only defending your faith, without answering so many why? I think the reader will decide who is right and who is wrong.
My reply:
Faith is not based on logical conclusions. No one can see God with our eyes, still many believe He exist. I have not met Jesus physically, neither were you on Earth when Muhammad came to Mecca. But I know Jesus is alive. I have felt His love for me in my heart and spirit, and seen “impossible” things happen, when I have asked Him to help me and my brothers and sisters.
I have also seen Jesus changing a few Muslims just in front of my eyes. Their spirit became alive, when they understood the love Jesus has shared for them. Him dying to pay the penalty for their sins.
Here is a link to the concept of “Abrogation in Islam”.
While the Muslims argue with the Bible they also fail to disclose that they don’t all agree about the Quoran either. There are different branches of Islam. It’s not one big happy family.
The link to “Abrogation in Islam”.
http://www.meforum.org/1754/peace-or-jihad-abrogation-in-islam
Muslims get away with a lot of false presentation because the West isn’t that familiar with it.
Dear all believers of Muhammad.
Shalom.
While I was sleeping, another 3.000 Muslims have blessed me by reading this article. I want to let you know that Jesus the Son of God loves all Muslims. He wants them all to know the truth. Please feel free to read other articles , like the one about the black stone Muslims are being told to worship in Mecca.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/bible-studies-42-muslims-worship-a-black-stone-in-mecca-fallen-from-the-moon/
Dear all readers.
Shalom, and special blessings to all believers in Muhammad who will visit us today.
I fully understand that Muslims have problems to see the difference between the Catholic faith, and true followers of Jesus. Please take a look at today’s top story. The Catholic worship, adore or venerate two “fingers” and a “tooth” of a dead man.
To even make idols like this is called sin and wickedness in the Bible. I guess even the Koran does not permit this.
Dear all believers of Muhammad.
Shalom, and love in Jesus the Son of God.
Another topic of debate among us, is the life of Muhammad. He took a minor girl as His wife. Does this amount to child molestation?
Read this article, and let me know.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/prophet-muhammad-had-sex-with-minor-wife-at-age-of-nine/
it has been explained to you by so many muslims that . he had maaried but not been with her until she was mature….
Dear Huzaifah.
Shalom.
You wrote:
it has been explained to you by so many muslims that . he had maaried but not been with her until she was mature….
My reply:
This is not an issue of Muhammad having sex with this small girl, or not. It is what is improper for any man to do.
A Muslim might find it noble, to marry away girls at the age of six. True Christians will never do that. We consider these children to be safer with their parents.
Muhammad should not have married a minor girl. Why on Earth did He desire to have such a young bride, a man that also felt the need to have 11 wife’s?
Any man should have enough with one.
9/11 was an inside job, the whole world knows and also on the 11th of september 2001, every single jew that worked in the twin tower and surrounding buildings were all at home knowing this terrorist attack was going to take place by jews them sevles. Only reason america is in afganistan and iraq is to steal oil. Any ways christianity is all bullshit, islam is the true religion and Allah punished that ugly inbred pastor bob old by making him die on the spot in a car crash. ALLAH HU AKBAR!!!
9/11,
The topic here is the Quran. Whether you belive 9/11 was an inside job done by the Jews is the silliest thing I’ve ever heard.
I guess those Muslims that blew up the planes were really Jews in disguise?
You opinion is based on lies.
God Bless.
Gloria.
Good morning, sister. Shalom on Yom Kippur. Good to see your teachings.
Ivar,
I guess it’s good evening over there? You were right from the beginning. It is a huge blessing to see so many muslims on this topic here. I hope Christ has touched the heart of many.
I am on my way to run some errands 🙂 I will be back later. Have a great evening Ivar.
Please have a look at this Link ,The Truth has come out….http://www.presstv.ir/detail/142025.html
This is not from muslims but from the architects of America…on press TV…
Sister gloria you belived a lie 9/11
Huzaifah,
As I mentioned earlier, I will not be answering any questions on 9/11.
Many people lost there lives that day, and the proof is: that these Muslim men committed that horrible act of violence.
That is all I’ll be saying on it.
God Bless you.
WELL I DNT WANT TO DEBATE IT EITHER BUT YOU ARE WRONG..
MUSLIM MEN DIDNT COMMIT THE HORRIBLE ACT.IT WAS THE GOVERMENT
YOU WERE FED A LIE.
DNT BE BLIND TO ACCEPT WHAT EVER YOUR EYES SEE… SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH.. CHECK THE LINK.
9/11 was an inside job. But, don’t look at it as committed by muslims, jews or christians. Look at it as committed by “insiders”, the powers that be so that the “outsiders” the rest of us will do what they say. Believe the lie and the actions follow accordingly. 3000 died in the twin towers and maybe 1 million or more in the wars afterwards. The burning of the reichstag maybe 1 people died or just a lost building, Resulting in 60 million deaths in WWII. Yeah if you believe the war is about 9/11 or WWII was about the reichstag…
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
The 9/11 attackers were not Buddhists from Nepal. They were Muslims from Saudia Arabia. They all shouted “allah is Great”. How come you missed this?
Because the hypocrites who say Jesus is lord let it happen and more. Nobody could have rigged those buildings with explosives and staged an airplane attack without full control of the media, law enforcement, building security, airplanes, military etc.
Dear Ed.
If you fly a Boeing 767 into a building fully loaded with fuel, you do not need extra explosives to bring that building down. The plain has become a huge bomb.
You are accusing Christians of extreme evil, and letting Radical Muslims off the hock. Totally without reason.
Only Islam will benefit from this. Osama Bin Laden must be laughing. You support the wrong guys.
Nope, not even remotely possible for those building to come down the way they did from those airplane hits. The fuel burned off in the first few seconds. The buildings smoked for about half an hour then suddenly collapsed in about 10 seconds. Alot of people just can’t bring themselves to think clearly about the unimagineable, or never allow themselves to objectively find the truth, but some people did.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
What you are writing is absolutely non sense.
If you set ablaze a petrol tanker inside a building, the tanker will explode. It will still not stop burning after two minutes. The very iron will be set one fire and burn for a long time.
The uranium in a nuclear bomb will burn up in a fraction of a second. But the fire will trigger a bigger chain reaction, and the fireball will burn and destroy everything in several square kilometers.
A fully loaded Boeing 767 hold 23,980 U.S. gal of petrol. That is 90.770 liters. When such a bomb goes of inside a building, it will set several floors on fire. Everything will melt. The walls of the Twin Towers melted, and gave in. There were several floors on top of the crash site that came crashing down. The weight of this falling floors was to much to handle for the construction. It was an unthinkable not calculated damage done to the more than 100 floors high building. It collapsed.
Your views and your writings are very much anti-Christian. It is the teaching and doctrines of Osama Bin Laden, That he is a lesser evil used by “allah”, and America the greater Satan. Its a disgrace.
Well your biased Ivar. You have something to gain from believing the lie. You gain anti-muslim support with people believing the Muslims did it. Christianity is about truth not lies. I would say you are anti Christian. You havent looked into the facts of 9/11 at all, nothing for you to gain from doing so.
Ed,
You said: Well your biased Ivar. You have something to gain from believing the lie. You gain anti-muslim support with people believing the Muslims did it. Christianity is about truth not lies. I would say you are anti Christian.
My Comment: That is a horrible comment Ed. Because Ivar and myself do not believe that the goverment was behind 9/11 you call us ant-christians? How does believing in Jesus Christ have anything to do with the twin towers collapsing? You say Ivar gain’s anti-muslim support with people believing Muslims did it? Absolutely ridiculous.
Let me say a little thing about myself. I live in NY, and I’m literally 15 minutes from Manhattan. When that day occured, I was truly frightened. But before picking up my son, and making sure my family was safe, I prayed to Christ. I prayed and asked him to protect everyone. And you say I’m ant-christian?
Ultimately the Word of God says:
John 16:33 “I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”
Instead of accusing anyone that they have something to “gain”, you should remember Ed, that Jesus is there for us all.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Ed wrote:
You gain anti-muslim support with people believing the Muslims did it.
My reply:
Nobody who is with his spiritual senses can dispute that there were 12 terrorists from the Islamic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia who attacked New York and Pentagon on 9/11.
They did not shout “Buddha is great”.
And to call people who reminds Americans about this fact for “anti-Christians”, is the absolute nadir of foolishness.
There is a thin line between psychosis and religion. Were all crazies sometimes or most of the time.
But we should all have the right to be crazy if we want to and arent harming anyone.
Stop offending faiths with book burnings, stop trying to convert people, just live side by side and re-focus your energies on your family.
Dear Dr. Merriam.
Shalom and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Stop offending faiths with book burnings, stop trying to convert people.
My comment:
Jesus did not force anybody to follow Him, or believe in His message. He spoke to the hearts of people. When a man know that in his sins, He will be judged and forever separated from everything good, He will understand that He needs to be saved. People who have made Jesus their Master understand that sin will not be accepted by God Almighty.
I just wake up, and I found two of my comments what i have posted it before go to bed has not been released.
I just asking my admnistrator, could you please post those comments
Dear Liton.
Shalom, and welcome back to this debate.
I am sorry for deleting your message. It was not done on purpose. Please republish your comment. The problem I faced this morning as the editor of this blog, was hundreds of hate comments. I was not able to sort out fake messages and spam from the messages from genuine people.
I am still blessed that almost 20.000 Muslims have visited this site in less than 48 hours. I sincerely wants to treat them as my guests, and explain to them that Jesus in God, and that He loves them.
Salam my christian brother,
Read carefuly, Why did Abraham, Moses, David, John, Issac, Jacob fight for? To establish the oneness of God.
Why your Jesus (PBUH) teaching will be different from other messanger,it is simple logic.He also said to you to obey one God, that his father.If he said , he is the son, and he and his father is one that is not meaning that he is god or begotten son of god.
So what is the misconception here? The word ‘father’ means a symbolic father not biological father.God is the powerful he cannot have sex with women to give birth a baby.If he wants something to be done, he just say “be”. So all messanger is the son of God, in that way.
Think about Adam. He also was created by God without father.Logicaly he would be the eldest son and your jesus then remain younger son, if you believe someone born without father or biologicaly is the son of God.
Even if Jesus said ‘me and my father is one’.That means he told you that if you follow his commandment , you are following his father (Allah’s) commandment.
Jesus has been tempted by Devil few times according to your Bible.One very simple thing everyone will understand that A God cannot be tempted by Satan(Devil).If Jesus is tempted by Satan, then he is not a God.
And also you believe God has been crucified.Who did this horondus crime. Jews, yes, they were right. They wanted to probe that jesus is not GOD. Because God cannot be crucified. So jesus is the messanger of Allah.
So it is the time to realise by every human being that there is one true God we only can worship.There is no intermidiary needed to take you to haven or hell. Every human will be responsible for their own sin and Good deeds, that will take them to haven or hell. So it is an one to one relationship between God and Human.Moreover, every human child born as innocent not a sinner according to your religion.
Please do not make religion complicated. Very simple logic just obey one God who created you, me, heaven, hell, angles everything. If you do any mistake just ask forgiveness, he is opt forgiving.
If you are still confuse about religion just wake up in the middle of the night and say, o lord (who created me), please guide me. Hope Allah will guide you right path.
Dear Liton.
Shalom, and thanks for blessing me with a new message.
You wrote:
God is the powerful he cannot have sex with women to give birth a baby.
My comment:
Now, you are limiting God. Why can not God do this? Even Muslims believe that Miriam was a virgin, when she gave birth to Jesus. How can a virgin get pregnant?
Dear Liton.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Every human will be responsible for their own sin and Good deeds, that will take them to heaven or hell.
My comment:
How can we get rid of sins?
How much good work do we have to do, to enter the Kingdom of Heaven”
Muhammad had no good explanation. Jesus has. He said: I will pay for your sins. When everything is paid for, you do not have to add anything. He set us free from the guilt and stains of sins.
It is sad to know that the follower of the sky books i.e. Quran and Bible are suppose to be brethren. As a Muslim I can not think of making any kind of joke or hatred of The Holy Bible. A general Christian may not understand but I am sure that Pastor will, that Jesus (Prophet Isa AS) was a great peace lover on this earth. I don’t know how This Pastor could think such a satanic thing. Let other Pastors who understand The Holy Bible and it’s message of peace, make Pastor Old to leave his post and wait for his bad times to come as Allah has His own responsibility of The Holy Quran.
Dear Naved.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Quran and Bible are suppose to be brethren.
My reply:
It seems that Muhammad and Jesus do disagree how we shall handle people who do not believe in their message:
First one of more 140 Jihad verses in the Koran:
Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
Than the Words of Jesus:
Matthew 5:44
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.
When we see Muslims killing Muslims, even blowing up Mosques, we should understand that these verses of the Koran are the source for such disturbing behavior.
I guess when a Muslim blow up a Mosque, there will be many Korans that will be burnt?
I have not seen many Muslims being very concerned in Public over such Koran burnings. I guess they are to scared to tell the truth.
salaam Everyone,
Well i m new to this site and i have seen i bundle of blogs in this site, conversation between muslims and ignorant cristains. I haven’t had time to read all its alot of discussion, but let me start from here, Bible is the word of historain, etc. Is not the word of God, bible has been changed alot of time(i ll show proof to ignorant cristains). But remember ISLAM IS THE ONLY RELIGION WHO LL INTER IN EVERY HOME IN EUROPE US N THE REST OF THE WORLD- C U LATER
Dear All Brothers and Sisters of this debate,
first i would like to put up the proper quote Gloria states which is:
“Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. ” (6:8), similar, but definitely not the same, and i hope and pray for God to forgive you for your ignorance, and i must say i truly respect the Christan people and faith, and i would never on any terms try to twist the words of their holy book, and the Muslim brothers and sister, i would recommend you to strongly refrain from using unhealthy language, Disgusting “burn in the fire of hell”, brother, you know your not the judge of that statement, as God is, so people please try to stop judging one and other and acting like animals.
I pray for you all
Dear Ibrahim
Shalom, and thanks for joining this debate.
You wrote:
i would recommend you to strongly refrain from using unhealthy language, Disgusting “burn in the fire of hell”, brother, you know your not the judge of that statement, as God is, so people please try to stop judging one and other and acting like animals.
My reply:
I feel it is wrong when a Muslim curses another Muslim. People who believe in love and salvation, do not want to loose anyone. People who believe in Jesus will surely try to bless anyone they face, regardless of who they are, and what they have done.
Dear ivar,
you said: I feel it is wrong when a Muslim curses another Muslim.
replay: My brother, in which way did i curse another Muslim, I just recommended him to be polite, and to refrain from using unhealthy words, I don’t understand why you are twisting my words in that way. Brother please think before accusing others.
Ibrahim,
The Holy Word of God warned us about the Islam religion and Mohammed in advance. Thank you Jesus for letting us know in advance.
No matter how many ways you and your muslim believers write and say it’s a relgion of peace, I will hold to God’s word and say it is a religion filled with lies. And lies are from the devil.
Pick up THE HOLY BIBLE THE WORD OF GOD, and you can read the truth. Seek Christ with and open heart, and repent, and you will see the truth.
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Gloria,
Can you please state a quote from the bible in which it warns you about Islam, being filled with lies, and are from the devil, because I’m just very curious.
that will be appreciated.
Ibrahim,
I apologize for the late reply, but I am not online alot during weekends.
The bible tells us about false teachers in advance.
1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 Peter 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
2 Timothy 3:13
While evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
Salam brother Ivar,
How mirium get pregnant? your first question.
God is powerful according to him, in taorah, in quran, in bible he explained himself.If he wants to do something, he just say “be”. then it will be there.
The miracle birth has been explained in the Quran. How it has happened? So please at lease you should read ‘Sura Mariam’in the Quran.or go to You tube and search Sura Mariam with english translation .It is all about Jesus and Mirium. Then you will get answer.
Your 2nd and last question, how much good deed we should do to go to heaven?
simple answer, do not do any bad things to others, gods will, you will get reward.Why not talk to true god yourself from your heart. He will answer you.
Dear Liton.
Shalom.
Is it possible for a man, never to do bad things? Have you never told a white lie, at least once? What about being selfish, or cheated someone?
That question has been answered before. Anyway i am answering again, if you do any bad things, just seek forgiveness from only true god who is the owner of haven or hell. He will forgive you as he promised in his holy book.
Allah also said, if no man would do any wrong, i would destroy them, instead i would make another creation who would do wrong, and seek refuse to me.
God is most beneficient and mercifull. He like to forgive his creation.
Think, if you do not do any wrong things, you are an angles not human. God has created you as human not angles. When you realise you did wrong as human then you will remember your god and cry yourself to him for forgiveness. God will forgive you as he promised.
To Liton or anyone else;
Sincerely asking, Pls explain why there would be two types of Muslims? One peaceful? One radical? If the Qur’an is the ONE true book, unaltered and it’s the one ALL muslims read and follow, what’s the reasoning behind the 2 extremes?
And (in all seriousness and curiousity) is that really all you have to do to be forgiven of your sins? Jus’ ask? And is that the only way God would have anything to do with me, if I did sin, jus’ so I would go to him?
Please, may the God of Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob enlighten us All. Glory to Jehovah!
dear iverfjeld, you found some good verse in the bible so it doesnt mean the bible is the word of God, well trust me i ll show u alot of nonsence in ur bible which i promise u by urself dont know, ok just tell me one thing, ARE YOU VIRGIN? Absolutly not, so according to ur holy book u must be stone to death, read ur holy verse. But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
Thanks for reading the Bible. This verse is from the law of Moses. God of the Bible wanted to preserve His people, the Jews. They were not supposed to have sex before marriage, and not to marry other than Jews.
The Jews was very much under threat of being destroyed as a people, just as they are today. To preserve them, God made a strict Law. Capital punishment was meant to preserve them. Not to harm them.
Jesus did not change the Law, but he changed a lot by taking the capital punishment we all deserve as Law breakers.
Salam peace to everyone.
How can God have children? Whos the mother? Please clarify.
Dear Sco.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Your question is like the everlasting dilemma. Who came first: The Chicken or the egg? Do you have a good answer?
Father God is eternal. When something is eternal, it has no beginning and no end. God the Son, Jesus of Nazareth is also eternal. He came down from Heaven, took flesh and walked as a man among sinners for 33 years.
dear ivarfjeld
You speak of God being eternal, that is indeed one of his attributes but God is also infinite and cannot be limited by place or time. God cannot be split into parts as this would be placing limits. These attributes mean that as the creator of the heaven and the earth God cannot be limited by being in his creation as that which is infinite cannot go into something finite.
So when it comes to the Isa (as) it is not possible God to be within a body.
Dear Abu Hafs.
Shalom, and thanks for a good comment.
You wrote:
God cannot be limited by being in his creation as that which is infinite cannot go into something finite.
My reply:
Can you tell God what He can do, and not do?
If God wants to come down from Heaven, and take form of a man, who can stop Him?
Why Jesus is not a god but a Messanger?
We Muslims have no hesitation in acknowledging that in the Bible, there are three different kinds of witnessing recognizable without any need of specialized training. These are:
1. You will be able to recognize in the Bible what may be described as “The Word of God.”
2. You will also be able to discern what can be described as the “Words of a Prophet of God.”
3. And you will most readily observe that the bulk of the Bible is the records of eye witnessess or ear witnesses, or people writing from hearsay. As such they are the “Words of a Historian”
You do not have to hunt for examples of these different types of evidences in the Bible. The following quotations will make the position crystal clear:
The FIRST Type:
(a) I will raise them up a prophet . . . and I will put my words in … and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.” (Deuteronomy 18:18)
(b) I even, I am the Lord, and beside me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:11)
(c) “Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the end of the earth: for I am God, and there is non else.” (Isaiah 45:22)
Note the first person pronoun singular (highlighted in green) in the above references, and without any difficulty you will agree that the statements seem to have the sound of being GOD’S WORD.
The SECOND Type:
(a) “Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? . . .” (Matthew 27:46)
(b) “And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord:” (Mark 12:29)
(c) “And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is God.” (Mark 10:18).
Even a child will be able to affirm that: Jesus “cried” Jesus “answered” and Jesus “said” are the words of the one to whom they are attributed, i.e. the WORDS OF A PROPHET OF GOD.
Dear Liton
Shalom.
First, I would like to thank you for reading the Bible, and even using verses from the Bible to defend your understanding of who Jesus is.
Second, not all you say is false, or incorrect. Jesus explains many places that He is completely human. To deny His humanity, no true followers of Jesus will do.
The issue in you teaching, is wherever in the Bible, Jesus or His Father claims that Jesus is divine. That Jesus is God, equal to His Father.
Lets take a look at two verses:
John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
(end of scripture)
The Word of God is eternal. Jesus is this eternal Word, that came to Earth, and manifested in the flesh as a being, a complete human. Jesus is much more than a prophet. He fulfilled the Law and all prophecies. He was the promised salvation, explained to the Jews as King Messiah.
The THIRD Type:
“And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he, (JESUS) came, if haply he (JESUS) might find anything thereon: and when he (JESUS) came to it, (Jesus) found nothing but leaves . . .” (Mark 11:13)
The bulk of the Bible is a witnessing of this THIRD kind. These are the words of a third person. Note the underlined pronouns. They are not the Words of God or of His prophet, but the WORDS OF A HISTORIAN.
For the Muslim it is quite easy to distinguish the above types of evidence, because he also has them in his own faith. But of the followers of the different religions, he is the most fortunate in this that his various records are contained in separate Books!
ONE: The first kind — THE WORD OF GOD — is found in a Book called The Holy Qur’an.
TWO: The second kind — THE WORDS OF THE PROPHET OF GOD, (Muhummed, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) are recorded in the Books of Tradition called The Hadith.
THREE: Evidence of the third kind abounds in different volume of Islamic history, written by some of high integrity and learning, and others of lesser trustworthiness, but the Muslim advisedly keeps his Books in separate volumes!
The Muslim keeps the above three types of evidence Jealously apart, in their proper gradations of authority. He never equates them. On the other hand, the “Holy Bible” contains a motley type of literature, which composes the embarrassing kind, the sordid, and the obscene — all under the same cover — A Christian is forced to concede equal spiritual import and authority to all, and is thus unfortunate in this regard
Dear Liton:
May I ask, how exactly was the Qur’an created? Is there a verse explaining?
For the most part, I know that Gabriel and Mohammed were involved? But the hows/wheres/whens I would appreciate, thanks. Glory to Yahweh!!
Now Bob Old is dead in a ghast crash. He is already there answering before the Owner of the Qur’an he hated and tought you guys to hate as well. What is left is you now on the waiting list. Allah is waiting for you……
Dear Submitter to God.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
That Pastor Bob Old is dead, is a rumor circulating among Muslims. Please google, and you will see that there is no reliable news source that support such rumors.
In regards to my life in Earth. It will be Jesus who control my entry and my exit. He also loves you, and will come and change your evil desires if you permits Him.
Since your email was full of evil in the name of Allah, I will spam your next message. Now I have warned you in advance.
dear ivarfjeld
Submitter to God is wrong. As Muslims we believe it is only the persons end that determines whether a person dies as a believer or disbeliever. Up until that time Allah can guide whom he wills and so even you can believe as many christian have embraced Islam.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
Thanks for rebuking Submitter to God for doing wrong. Since He uses the name of “Allah”, has he misunderstood the Koran?
THE MULTIPLE BIBLE VERSIONS
Before we scrutinize the various versions, let us clarify our own belief regarding the Books of God. When we say that we believe in the Tauraat, the Zaboor, the Injeel and the Qur’an, what do we really mean? We already know that the Holy Qur’an is the infallible Word of God, revealed to our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhummed Mustapha (Peace be upon him) word for word, through the agency of the Archangel Jibraeel, (known as Gabriel in English), and perfectly preserved and protected from human tampering for the past fourteen hundred years! 1 Even hostile critics of Islam have grudgingly vouched for the purity of the Holy Qur’an: “THERE IS PROBABLY IN THE WORLD NO OTHER BOOK WHICH HAS REMAINED TWELVE CENTURIES (now fourteen) WITH SO PURE A TEXT.” — (Sir William Muir)
The “gospel” is a frequently-used word, but what Gospel did Jesus preach? Of the 27 books of the New Testament, only a small fraction can be accepted as the words of Jesus. The Christians boast about the Gospels according to St. Matthew, according to St. Mark, according to St. Luke and according to St. John, but there is not a single Gospel “according” to (St.) Jesus himself! We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God. That was the Injeel, the good news and the guidance of God for the Children of Israel. In his life-time Jesus never wrote a single word, nor did he instruct anyone to do so. What passes off as the “GOSPELS” today are the works of anonymous hands!
The question before us is: “Do you accept that the Bible is God’s Word?” The question is really in the form of a challenge. The questioner is not simply seeking enlightenment. The question is posed in the spirit of a debate. We have every right to demand in a similar vein — “Which Bible are you talking about?”, we may ask. “Why, there is only ONE Bible!”
Dear Liton.
Shalom.
Thanks for making this site an interesting place for debate.
You wrote:
We sincerely believe that everything Christ (May the peace and blessings of God be upon him) preached was from God.
My reply:
So you are in the same shoes as the gospel writers, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
If you do not believe them, how would you come to know the teachings of Jesus?
They lived in the same generation as Him, and we believe that they met Him personally.
If there was no record done by them, how would Muhammad have come to know the teachings of Jesus?
And since Muhammad walked on Earth 600 years after Jesus, how would He be more capable of telling us the correct teachings of Jesus?
What you just wrote was a contradiction, and will not make sense to anyone. Please read the Bible, and accept the Word of God.
Dear Ivar,
You are quoting again some verses from John what I have answered in my earlier post.Even you do not want to concentrate what i have posted and keep defend your faith, the reader will deside who is wrong, the true will reveal one day
Dear Liton.
Shalom.
Sorry for that. I did not remember that you already had written a reply to the message from Thomas, addressing Jesus as God. What was your reply? Please remind me.
I will also quote another verse:
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
Here Father God confirms that He has a Son.
Dear ivarfjeld
The Bible has many “sons of God” these were never understood as literal but as authorotative figures otherwise King David is also the literal “son of God” and so are the angels
Dear Abu hafs
Shalom.
There is again truth in what you are saying. I am also a son of God. My destiny is the Kingdom of Heaven, and Jesus have given me this kingdom citizenship. But Jesus is greater than King David, Moses and me. Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Not created, not formed. But unique, and eternal. The Alpha and Omega.
Dear ivarfjeld
What Liton says makes perfect sense. He wants to know what quotes do you have from the bible of Isa (as) himself saying that he is God not what his followers are saying.
Secondly Prophet Muhammad (saw) did not study the teachings of Isa (as) as he was unlettered, but the Quran reflects the real teaching of Isa(as).
As far as accepting the Bible as the true word of God, which set of Gospels should be considered the word of God as there are more Gospels that did not make it within the current bible. So who decided what was the word of God and what was not. such as the Gnostic Apocolype of Peter. Did the early christians follow the Nicean creed which was formulated after their time?
Dear Abu Hafs.
Shalom.
Please also answer my questions: Did Submitter to God misunderstand the Koran?
You asked me for verses, where Jesus Him self explained that He is God.
Here are four verses:
John 11:25
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;
(end of verse)
Can a man rise from the grave? Jesus did not say He known how to get life, or what life is. He claim to be life it self.
John 10:9
I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Only God can save. Jesus explains that He saves people. He say He is the gate, and that no one can pass into the Kingdom of Heaven but through Him.
John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(end of verse).
John 4:24-26:
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.”
Jesus claims to be the Messiah, the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords. Amen.
Dear ivarfjeld
Sorry, about submitter to God
I dont know what he misunderstood in the Quran. But he misunderstood the Islamic principles of judgement.
Dear Abu Hafs
Shalom.
Thanks for your explanation about Submitter to God. He took the name of “allah”, and did wrong, cursing in the name of your god. How will he be judged according to the Koran?
What about Islamic suicide bombers, and Muslims who blow up Mosques shouting “Allah is great”?
Dear ivarfjeld
What you have quoted is a matter of interpretation. All the Prophets were like gates as all the people in their time HAD to follow them in order to reach GOD. This does not show he thought he was GOD.
Only GOD saves but GOD sends Prophets to save the people so by Isa(as) saying this is no claim to his divinity.
Your last statement “Jesus claims to be the Messiah, the King of Kings, and the Lord of Lords. Amen.”
where does he say hes the King of Kings or Lord of Lords??
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
Thanks for blessings me, asking me for the verses in the Bible that explains that Jesus is equal to God our Father.
1 Timothy 6:14-16 (New International Version)
to keep this command without spot or blame until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which God will bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
(end of scripture)
This verse is the Jewish Apostle Paul, explaining that God is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. I do not think a Muslim will object to this.
And in the revelation by the Apostles John, Jesus the Lamb of God is given the same status.
Revelation 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
Dear Abu Hafs.
Shalom.
The Jewish prophet speaks about God, as the eternal King.
Jeremiah 10:10
But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God, the eternal King. When he is angry, the earth trembles; the nations cannot endure his wrath.
(end of verse)
We who believe in Jesus, wants to share with you all, that the Messiah is this King. Even to the Roman Governor in Jerusalem, Jesus confirms He is the King of the Jews.
As you know, the kingdom of Jesus was not of this World. So He speaks about being King of the eternal Kingdom.
John 18:36
Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
In revelations, King of kings is written on his leg. The part right above the brass foot spoken of in prophesy. The serpent lies in wait at his heal, (meaning the rich men lie in wait to catch the poor and rob them, use them etc.) …And he shall crush their head. That means he’s going to stomp on the heads of the leaders of this world, because they all suck and are corrupt.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
Thanks for helping on this blog, to explain that Jesus is the King of Kings.
Ok, I was a bit wrong. It says King of Kings is written on his vesture. That can have a few meanings. Vesture is clothing but can also be used figuratively such as the hills were covered in a vesture of green grass. So true to the seventh spirit of God, the spirit of wonder he still keeps us guessing.
Dear ivarfjeld
The verses you have quoted are again not quotes by Isa(as) about himself but quotes of Paul. So all Muslims will have a problem with this.
Paul is a controvertial figure in the early church and changed a lot of the teaching of Isa (as) to the extent that many modern commentators say that the christianity of today is pauline christianity not the christianity followed by the early christians from the family of isa (as).
Dear Abu Hafs.
Shalom.
I do not agree that there are proof of the Apostle Paul disagreeing with Jesus. The Messiah Him self spoke about being the King of the Jews, a King that has a Kingdom that is not of this World.
Dear ivarfjeld
Being the King of the jews is very different to being the King of kings.
Paul did not meet Isa(as), we agree.
According to the bible isa(as) commanded mankind to strictly observe the religion of Moses until the end of time (mat 5:18) and that “unless you show yourselves far better than the scribes and Pharisees, you can never enter the kingdom of heaven”. Further isa(as) said that observing the religion and laws given to Moses and the selling of their belongings would make them achieve entry into heaven(luk 18:18)
Now paul on the other hand savagely persecuted many christians and then has a vision which contained “unspeakable words that are unlawful to utter” after which he believes it was isa(as) and then starts preaching to the people and say he will do whatever it takes to get people to follow him even if it involves behaving outside the law (1 corinthians 9:20)
He then takes away the need to follow the commandments.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom,
You wrote:
Being the King of the Jews is very different to being the King of kings.
My reply:
Jesus said: My Kingdom is not of this World”. He is the king of the Jews, who reign as King in the Kingdom of Heaven. He will come back and reign as THE King over all Kings, and bring judgment on the World. Sinners who do not repent and obey Him, will perish.
Dear all believers in Muhammad.
Shalom.
There has been more than 3.200 Muslim visitors to this site today. Please remind me, if I do not treat you as proper guests. May Jesus, the Son of God touch you, as you come to know the truth about Him. Amen.
Dear ivarfjeld
One of the early Books of the Bible considered a book of revelation by the church is the Shephard of hermes. It it the first commandment is
“Believe that God is One and that he created all things and organised them, and out of what did not exist made all things to be, and he contains all things but Alone is Himself uncontained. Trust him therefor and fear him, and fearing him be self-controlled. Keep this command and you will cast away from yourself all wickedness, put on every virtue of uprightness, and you will live to God if you keep this commandment”
How different to the current christian creed
Dear Abu hafs
Shalom, and thanks so much for making this debate vibrant.
I have never heard about the book, The Shephard of hermes. I will google and come back. Since Satan wants to destroy the true scriptures, the children of the devil have come up with several false books, and tried to include them in the Bible.
Dear ivarfjeld
Look up also the Gnostic Apocolype of Peter
There were a lot of Gospels that were left out just because the church at the time did not want to believe in what they had to say.
The current ethiopian bible contains far more gospels than your bible, does that mean they are not rightly guided?
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
I am impressed about your knowledge about Jesus and the Bible. You are either an imam, or a truth seeker.
There is valid reason why some books claimed to contain the truth about Jesus, are not in the Bible. As I explained: Satan wanted to create confusion by trying to add falsehood.
First: The Old Testament:
1. Jesus did never quote from the books, that are not in the Bible.
2. The original books that Jesus was quoting from were all written in Hebrew.
The New Testament:
1. The gospel accepted as divinely inspired, are all written down in the same generation as Jesus walked on Earth.
2. The other books are one of the other, full of errors, that will be exposed by all reading the original Hebrew scriptures.
Dear ivarfjeld
If you dont mind me asking, what is your Christian denomination?
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
Which denomination?
This question is not Biblical. Because the Bible does not speaks about denominations. Neither does the Koran separate the Sunni Muslims from the Shiits.
I guess you have no noble motive for asking me this question, so I will leave it not answered. I might change my mind, If I feel the need to know which sect or denomination within Islam you belong to.
shiites came to be because a jew divided the muslims in the 7th century, if you actually look at the shiites practices and beliefs their not that different to traditional judaism aside from the fact that they follow the same books, their beliefs are virtually identical. id guess you already know this since your a jew yourself.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
You wrote:
shiites came to be because a jew divided the muslims in the 7th century.
My reply:
This is news to me.
1. Who was this Jew?
2. Why was “allah” not able to bridge this division, and bring the two main fractions back together again?
3. When Sunnis kill or cripples Shiites, are they the true followers of Muhammad?
to answer your question:
The religion of the Shiah was founded by a Jew from Yemen called Abdullah bin Saba’. This religion has started with the assassination of the rightly guided Khalifa Uthman and branched into many sections.
AND HERES THE LINK:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/history_of_the_shia.htm
and lastly to answer your question: When Sunnis kill or cripples Shiites, are they the true followers of Muhammad?
it depends on circumstances of course are you trying to tell me you wouldnt kill a catholic or a jew if he was trying to hurt you or your family ??? if you say you wouldnt your either a liar or a gutless coward and i dont know which is worse to be honest. If someone takes an innocent life on the other had it would be as if he had killed all of mankind, but ive already shown you that quote from the quran
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
It is not fair to counter a question with a question. Who are the true followers of Mohammad?
I have to read your reply, that Sunni Muslims have the right to kill others.
I have earlier explained that no true followers of Jesus, has the right to harm anyone. Either they are Catholics, Jews or Muslims.
I hope you can say the same, since you obviously believe you are are true follower of Muhammad.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
You asked a very good question:
are you trying to tell me you wouldnt kill a catholic or a jew if he was trying to hurt you or your family ??
My reply:
If an Islamic suicide bomber was coming to kill me, what to do? I guess I have to be able to run faster than him.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
Let me deepen my answer of killing others.
Jesus do not give a Christian permission to kill, even not in self defense. To be human, is not to know what we will do in such tragic circumstances. Even I, can not put my hand on my heart, and give you a truthful answer.
where did i say that sunni muslims have a right to kill others ? go to spec savers or learn to read because theres clearly something wrong with you. i said you CANNOT take an innocent life, but at the same time you do have a right to defend yourself. your beginning to sound more and more like a zionist are you sure you believe in jesus ?
Dear ivarfjeld
I agree with you point on the old testament and Isa (as).
About the new testamant:
Taken from “The five Gospels” by the Jesus seminar.
We do not have origional copies of any of the gospels. We do not possess autographs of any of the books of the entire bible. The oldest surviving copies of the gospels date back from 175 years after the death of Jesus, amd no two copies are precisely alike.
This gap of almost two centuries means that the origional Greek (or Aramaic) text was copied more than once, by hand before reaching the stage in which it has come down to us.
the stark truth is that the history of the Greek Gospels, from their creation in the first century, remains largely unknown and therefore unmapped territory.
Bart Ehrman in “The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture” states.
In any event none of the origional books of the Bible now survive. What do survive are copies, some 5366 of them in the Greek language alone, that date from the second century down to the 16th. Strikingly, with the exception of the smallest fragments, no two of these copies are exact. No one knows how many different, or variant readings, occur among the surviving witnesses, but they must number in the hundreds of thousands”
These are christian theologens speaking.
Lastly the Didicas is considered older than the five Gospels,but left out, written by the family of Isa(as) doesnt mention Isa (as) as god but as “good Servant”
Gospels of james, family of Isa(as), but left out referred to Isa (as) as master, no mention of divinity.
Gospel of Jude, family of Isa(as) warn followers of newcomers corrupting the teachings of Isa(as).
I will cover Errors seperately inshallah.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom, and thanks for being a Bible critic.
The Dead Sea Scrolls in Khirbet Qumran in Israel contains 900 pages. These manuscripts generally date between 150 B.C and 70 A.C. The verses found her is exact copies of lines found in the oldest kept copy of the New Testament, which is dated to 125 A.D.
Remember that the best prof of correctness, is not the date of the copy of the New Testament. It is its containment of Jesus quoting correctly from the Old Testament.
Why are there so less copies of the New Testament, from the Apostolic age?
There was a death penalty for saying that Jesus was God. There was a price tag on the head of the gospel writers. The few copies that were made in secret, was surely well used.
thanks for proving my point ivarfjeld you didnt give me a single reply to my questions, perhaps your faith isnt as strong as you thought it was, its served my point though you really dont have a clue what your talking about.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
I have for the past 48 hours answered almost 150 questions from Muslims who wants to know more about Jesus. Please remind me what question I have not answered.
ivarfjeld says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:32 am
“Dear Likisormala
Shalom.
You are always welcome back.
You wrote:
Your early priests lead you astray when they made you believe that Jesus was son of Allah
My comment:
The problem is, that when Jesus walked on Earth, “allah” was the moon god they worshiped in Mecca. There was no Islam, and no prophet Muhammad.
Your prophet who brought the World the knowledge of “allah” was born 600 years after Jesus. So how could we have been lead astray?
Jesus said He came as a servant of God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. The Messiah never spoke about Mecca, the moon god, or an Arab prophet that would bring in a totally new book that would contradict the Bible.”
Errrrr actually Islam is the religion of prophet Abraham p.b.u.h who coincidentely was in arabia, hence the black stone, Makkah, and Hajj. wouldnt expect you to know any better though being so ignorant. whoever said “ignorance is bliss” was right ignorace is bliss in this life but it is going to cost you a heavy price in the next. Considering you want to debate the knowledge you have or should i say lack is astounding you dont have the faintest clue about anything other then your so called religion. Whats even more astounding is the fact you claim other religions to be false and yours to be true even though you really dont have the faintest what your babbling on about. it looks like your just randomnly throwing together quotes and praying they make sense and are airtight so not too many questions are asked. And gloria seems to be quoting the same verse over and over which i find pretty hilarious since she seems to be a parrot stuck in a loop. good luck with your debate although you will probably find it more helpful to verify what you want to say beforehand rather then just posting randomn dribble about another religion.
you didnt answer my question about whether jesus was a jesuit or a christian since you yourself quoted that he was born to a jewish mother, followed jewish tradition etc. doesnt that mean he was a jew ??? surely that debunks christianity ? or maybe god perfected his religion in stages judaism -> christianity -> islam, sounds more logical since there is no other reason i can think of for jesus p.b.u.h to just get up and say were not jewish anymore were christian. i had more questions but that would require me scrolling through all the posts and copying and pasting them again i really cant be bothered.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
Thanks for reminding me about questions I have forgotten to answer.
Your question:
you didnt answer my question about whether jesus was a jesuit or a christian since you yourself quoted that he was born to a jewish mother, followed jewish tradition etc. doesnt that mean he was a jew ???
My reply:
Jesus was a Jew. He was born by a Torah Observant Jew, who lived 600 years before Muhammad. She never had the chance to read the Koran, but obeyed God of Jacob, the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, who gave them the Hebrew Bible.
In regards to “Jesuits” this order of priests is an invention of the Roman Catholic religion. I do not agree with this religion. The followers of the Pope do have a copy of Jesus in their traditions, but this is a false Messiah.
ermmmmm a jesuit is another word for a jew what “priests” are you talking about now. and i asked because jesus p.b.u.h was a jew does that invalidate christianity since your own messiah followed judaism ?
Dear mhus.
So a Sunni who kill an innocent Shiith will not be a true follower of Muhammad?
When is a Shiith guilty of not obeying the Koran, so you have the right to kill him?
If He blow up the Mosque you are attending, will that give you a right to blow up a Shiith Mosque?
What about killing such a person?
again where did i state that ? that was a general rule for mankind i didnt say anything about sunni shia etc. etc. and no of course you dont have a right to kill a shiite if he doesnt believe in the quran thats simply his belief all you can do is help to try and steer him in the right direction and pray for him. and as for the blowing the mosque thing up: 2 rights dont make a wrong, your talking that biblical crap of eye for an eye. Our prophet p.b.u.h said its better to forgive and let live, because at the end of the day were asking Allah for forgiveness aswell arent we ?
and stop being such a pretentious little snoot youve avoided the same question about 4 times now ill repeat it AGAIN. you yourself stated in your own words that jesus p.b.u.h was a jew, so doesnt that invalidate your beloved christianity since your own messiah/god followed judaism a totally seperate religion from yours?
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
I do accept your statement that a Sunni or a Shiith has no right to kill each other. But the Koran explains to us that some people are going to be crippled and killed?
Who are these people, that Muhammad wants faithful followers to kill?
Dear mhus.
Shalom, and thanks for another good question.
You wrote:
your own messiah/god followed judaism a totally seperate religion from yours?
My reply:
Can a three grow without roots?
Without Judaism, there would be no Christianity. Everything about true Christianity is Jewish. You might be aware that there are many Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah. They are called Messianic Jews.
like i said before time and time again its now getting tiresome the quran is talking about events from the past and the future, it gives you an insight of what to expect and how previous events occurred, its also the direct word of god as opposed to the bible which is written from the 3rd person perspective. simply put the words in the quran are the word of god not muhammad p.b.u.h, everytime i explain that to you, you just ask me again somewhere down the line. seems to me i would have more luck talking to a brick wall. and where does it exactly state that thou shalt kill ??? nowhere exactly your a complete muppet and youve proven this time again and again.
P.S you still didnt answer my question about the validity of christianity, i already showed you that jesus p.b.u.h was a jew according to you so where the hell did christianity derive from if your lord was following a completely different religion ?
Dear Mhus.
Shalom.
A Jew is a Jew. A Jesuit is a Jesuit. These are two different words, that have totally different meanings.
Dear ivarfjeld
You said Allah was a moon God? You should look into this my friend.
“Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. (The Noble Quran, 41:37)”
dont worship the moon!
The Aramaic “Elaw” and the Arabic “Allah” are the same. The Aramaic “Elaw” is derived from the Arabic “Allah”, and it means “GOD”. “Allah” in Arabic also means “GOD”, the Supreme GOD Almighty. You can easily see the close similarity in their pronunciation.
please read further here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah3.htm
“Woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say “this is from Allah”, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their own hands have written and woe to them for what they earn” Quran,Baqarah:79
“How can you say, “We are wise, we have the law of the Lord”, when scribes with their lying pens have falsified it? The wise are put to shame; they are dismayed and entrapped. They have spurned the word of the Lord, so what sort of wisdom is theirs?” Jeremiah 8:8
Frederic Kenyon in “Our bible and the ancient manuscripts” says aftyer listing many contradictions in the bible, ” Besides the larger discrepancies, such as these contradictions, there is scarcely a verse in which there is not some variation of phrase in some copies (of ancient manuscripts from which the Bible has been collected). No one can say that those additions or omissions or alterations are matters of mere indifference”
Again this is a christian Theologian speaking and I could give more.
Dear ivar you are a Zionist, the very fact that the illegitimate state of Israel is only in existent because people like agree in the cold blooded murder of women and children shows wat you are really about!!! It’s pointless discussing quotes, because your blinded to the facts, may Allah all guide us to the righteous path Ameen
Dear ivarfjeld
Looking at the rest of your website it seems you have a problems with Islam partly based on your political world view towards the middle east and Isreal.
We believe in pre-destination, meaning that events are written and what ever is prophesised will take place whether we try to stop it or not. That means the date for the second coming of Isa (as) is set and cannot be moved forward and backward. So by supporting Isreal you are not making sure that this event will happen, it will happen anyway even if all support for Isreal was taken away.
Do you really believe that supporting Isreal is supporting the second coming and the rapture?
dear abu hafs in case you havent realised by now this guy is a zionist possibly even a jew, hes shown that time and time again with his lack of knowledge and repetitive quotes. why try and explain something to him that surpasses his brain capacity ? its pointless.
Assalamu alaikum
“Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.” Noble Qur’ân 16:125
Theres a person on you tube who spent hours ridiculing Islam and later became Muslim.
Its Allah who decides if its pointless.
wassalam
Your like a thief @Ivarjfeld. You totally stole Ivar’s name. When Jesus says things like “why do you not understand me”!! Why do you not hear my word?? Because your father is Satan. He was a murderer a liar and a thief from the beginning. You stole Ivar’s name Like Muslims stole the scriptures to make it their own and call themselves the chosen ones, deleting anything to the contrary. I hear a lot of people say that only 144,000 will be saved. That’s not correct. If you read more in the same passage their are countless numbers of people saved. Those in white who stand around the throne of God, worshipping him for eternity. That has to be better than it sounds, so I think trust and faith come into play there. Note that it says standing and worshipping, not butts in the air worshipping like the muslims do. 144,000 are of the jews, from the twelve tribes who will be leaders of nations.
what a complete neanderthal you are ed. Try reading the name phonetically its AT “@” IVARJFELD, idiot.
you said: Note that it says standing and worshipping, not butts in the air worshipping like the muslims do.
i say: ermmmm their butts arent in the air are you as blind as you are dumb ? secondly muslims stand and pray too they just prostrate and bow down to their lord, but i guess you christians are too good to get down on your knees for your lordand beg for forgiveness right ? ironically though you dont mind doing it for a woman though. i’d go on but ive just debunked your whole theory and made you look like a complete fuckwit already so ill stop there.
Dear Iverfjeld
Mhus is right, there is no killing of shias by sunnis sanctioned in the Quran. You have been misinformed or are misinterpreting.
Historically any fighting that took place by either side was political not religious, from a sunni perspective anyway. Neither have the sunni scholars historically considered shias as disbelievers.
he already knows that, he just cant seem to answer certain questions so he keeps circling back to his previous theories and claims like a good zionist would do.
Dear Abu Hafs.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Mhus is right, there is no killing of shias by sunnis sanctioned in the Quran. You have been misinformed or are misinterpreting.
My reply:
For all non Muslims, it is difficult to understand how people killing shouting “Allah is Great” should not be branded as followers of Islam.
I guess that Muhammad him self demanded true Muslims to kill people who did not want to believe is his message.
Please explain to me who it is Muhammad wants his followers to cripple and kill.
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
yes your right in the same way its difficult for us to understand how you can say your religion is of peace blah blah but the guys at the top “the popes” 80 of which responsible for over 50 millions deaths. you say your a christian and that catholics are devil worshippers and you dont believe in the pope etc., excuse me but arent catholics one of THE if not THE largest sect of christianity ? hypocrisy at its finest again.
Dear mhus.
Shalom, and thanks for giving me a chance to explain the difference between a Catholic and a follower of Jesus.
1. A Catholic believe that the Pope is “The Holy Father”, a man that is infallible in questions of moral and true understanding of who God is. A Christian believe that all human beings are sinners, that will commit such mistakes.
2. A Catholic believe that the mother of Jesus was born without sin, lived a sinless life, and ascended into Heaven in body and soul. Catholics pray to the mother of Jesus. A Christian believe even the mother of Jesus was a human, born with sin, and was a sinner like all created beings. A Christian will only pray in the name of Jesus.
4. A Catholic will believe the doctrines taught by the Pope in Rome. A Christian will believe in the Word of God, as it is written in the Bible.
I can give you more examples, if anyone is interested.
In this verse Allah is talking in the context of law. The person may be a muslim or a non muslim. Whoever commits crimes in the lands, then this is there punishment. So if someone commits murder for example.
you wrote:
For all non Muslims, it is difficult to understand how people killing shouting “Allah is Great” should not be branded as followers of Islam.
i asked:
in the same way explain how other people of the world i.e non-christian differentiate between a catholic and a christian. cathlocism is a SECT of christianity its a part of it whether you like to admit it or not, and as stated earlier its probably the largest sect of christianity. ok so with this in mind look at the 50 million people YOUR pope has killed in the name of god, look at the crusades which YOUR pope carried out in the name of god, the spanish inquisition, so on and so forth. Seems to me you lot are nothing more then a bunch of worthless fascists with more power then sense. in the same way you stereotype our radicals as being mainstream muslim its quite easy for us to do the same surely ? to the average person a christian is a christian not catholic or protestant etc. just as in islam an outsider would call you a muslim not a shiite or sunni etc. basically the point i am trying get across to your thick devious skull is this: you paint yourself to be some sort of saints but the truth is there has probably never been a more tyrannical or backward religion then christianity!!!
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
I have explained to you, that no true follower of Jesus can harm anyone. Why can you not explain to me that a true follower of Muhammad can not harm anyone?
I guess, because that is not what Muhammad taught. He told people who want to be correct Muslims to cripple and kill people who did not accept his message, and refused to call “allah” a true god.
This is absolutely funny . you backwards Christians trying to tell me about my religion ! Anyways Jesus will be coming VERY soon and when he does he will fight for those who believe in Allah (SWT) and the oneness of Allah alone . confused ppl . How is Jesus your GOD if he came as a human ?? and died ?? first you pray to GOD than to JESUS. Us Muslims don’t associate any partners with Allah and it’s funny how your scripture is technically re same as ours but when because we follow our book and we are steadfast on it you like to take quotes just because you guys don’t care about your book and we do doesn’t mean you can go on and pick uo random quotes that you took COMPLETLY out of context into your meaningless works. Islam is the religion. We are the chosen people. We will dominate this world when Jesus comes for US. so keep sinning Nd thinking you will be forgiven just like that . And we will get the last laugh . HAH ! Islam the fastest growing religion say all you want but I don’t care about a guy who converted to christanity ! at the end of the day We are a close Muslim family we see eachother in the streets we give Salam all you ppl give is dirty looks . NEVER will I be Christian . EVER .
Dear Saraa
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You asked:
How is Jesus your GOD if he came as a human ?? and died ??
My reply:
Jesus died for your sins, so that you will be justified when you shall met God your Father in Heaven. The good news is that Jesus rose from the grave after three days. The risen God the Son appeared in front of 500 Jews, alive for ever more. He is soon coming back to collect all who believe in Him, and take us with Him to the Kingdom of Heaven.
you said he appeared in front of 500 jews, arent the jews the ones that shunned him and left him to die ? a jew would sell his own mother for loaf of bread so it doesnt matter if there was a thousand of them, id never take their word for it.
Dear Iverfjeld
Sorry I missed you comment on the Dead sea scrolls. Cant reply to it directly.
The dead sea scroll were a great find for Old testamant scholars. There was a claim that a fragment of Marks Gospel was there but these claims have been rejected by New Testament scholars. So can you tell me which Gospels exactly were found there in?
Followup to the dead sea scroll. I am not a bible critic as such. We Muslims believe in the Injeel (bible) as a revelation from Allah but the bible in its current form has issue due to the way it was formulated and translated. We cannot discount any verse in the Bible till we see its context and check it according to the Quran which contains some of the Injeel. And also according to the Old testamant which no where even considers the possibility of Allah physically coming into his creation on earth. This is why the Jews do not consider the Christians as being pure monotheists.
Listen to Yusuf Estes who was a Christian preacher in the US.
link;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4PNdiyA5m8&feature=related
by the way on the topic of “jihad” the word actually means to struggle or strive. heres the dictionary meaning:
the personal struggle of the individual believer against evil and persecution
but again some twisted morons deliberately took it out of context and spread it through the mass media like wildfire. why do you fear what you dont believe ? because your afraid its the truth………………………………………………….
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
I did not ask for an explanation of the word Jihad. I asked you to explain this verse from the Koran.
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
yes and ive already explained that to you yesterday didnt it ? did you read the ayahs above and below it ? of course you did your just trying to be a smart arse as always and circle back to the moot points which have already been dealt with. here though ill post it again just to put your mind at rest for another 24 hours.
31 Then Allah sent a raven scratching up the ground, to show him how to hide his brother’s naked corpse. He said: Woe unto me! Am I not able to be as this raven and so hide my brother’s naked corpse ? And he became repentant.
32 For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah’s Sovereignty), but afterwards lo! many of them became prodigals in the earth.
33 The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom;
34 Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
basically you’ll get your just deserts from the lord himself fear not.
and heres the link to the whole surah and the whole quran in english AGAIN:
http://www.sacred-texts.com//isl/pick/005.htm
Dear Mhus.
Shalom, and thanks for explaining Sura 5:33. I understand, that I have to read verse 32 in context:
32 For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind.
So it is the Jews, that Muhammad wants his followers to kill and cripple?
ermmm yes your right he wants us to kill your mum……………………..
Dear all followers of Muhammad.
Shalom.
I feel that this debate again is resulting in insults. Such comments will not take us anywhere. I am about to close down this debate.
I thank you all for all kinds of comments. I feel we all have contributed to make all readers see the difference between Muhammad and Jesus. Let us all chose wisely who we want to trust and obey.
or wait mhmm maybe just MAYBE thats the part that says: we told the people of israel that whoever kills another innocent human (i.e murderer or corrupter) it will be as if they had killed the whole of mankind. seriously go back to hebrew school and ask for your money back they clearly didnt teach you to read and understand ENGLISH very well.
Dear readers and active posters of this page,
I like to first start with by telling ivarfjeld to please don’t welcome me and shalom me because I have already welcomed myself on your page and that is why I am writing my comment. Secondly, please stop quoting the same thing over and over from the Bible.
I’m a historian, and religion is where I put most of my time and concentration on. I was born as a Catholic, and converted into Islam. I always knew that Vatican is full of corruption so just like the many of you I just chose to believe ONLY in the Bible and not what Vatican says is right or wrong. My whole entire generation Catholic, except me. My wife is also a Christian, but it is our mutual agreement that we will never get on the way of each other’s religion and gave my kids the option to follow whatever religion they want to and when they grow up, I want them to do their research and choose the right religion.
The Quran, as many of you Christians say “the book of devil” is actually the only Holy Book out there that from the beginning of its time stayed the same. However, the Bible on the other hand changed many times because of what people wanted to pass on to the next generations, and what PEOPLE themselves believed should be passed on and shouldn’t be. I always believed in Jesus and God being ONE and the HOLY SPIRIT, but it makes no sense to me that why isn’t Jesus immortal? The Muslims, just like the Christians also believe that Jesus will come back to earth before the destruction. However, the Jews don’t believe that.
Not look at this, the Jews don’t recognize Jesus as anything but devil. the Christians on the other hand recognizes all Jewish Prophets and then declared Jesus to be Son of God, and doesn’t recognize Muhammed as anything except devil. However, the Muslims recognizes all the people of Judaism, Christianity as Prophets and Muhammed being the last one. These are basic knowledge that you ignorant people should all know if you did get your self an education.
To the people that are posting videos from youtube, anyone can make a youtube video professionally and edit it and put it up on youtube to put out their own point of view, for example, a muslim Imam converting to Christianity or a Christian Priest converting to Islam. But how much of those video are truth do we know? So please stop wasting your precious time youtube-ing nonsense videos which for sure will not change anyone’s mind.
When I really look into the Bible over and over and over and studied every bit of it just like I have done with the Quran, it is clear that those are the thing that Jesus never said. It’s what the people AFTER Jesus said. The old testament talked about Jesus. And the muslims also believe that because the Muslims recognizes that. However, what Peter said is a question of fact or falsification because Peter is not Jesus to know what Jesus said. Secondly, the Bible was WRITTEN by human, and they are MEN’s words, which is also a question of whether if those words, except for the ones from the Old Testament, are individual opinion or actual Jesus’s words because Jesus was not there when the Bible was adopted. So the adoption of Bible, since it took place after the death of Jesus, is a question of whether it is misleading people with individual’s words or not.
Now to the Muslims, why do you guys wasting your time arguing with people who just are so narrow minded? They talk about Muslims being corrupted and all, but I do not understand why they totally forgot about Christians being corrupted for centuries during Medieval time and chose to conquer lands by threatening people with religion fear. Can they prove that fact to be wrong? So there we can see that the Christians are the ones that were corrupted for many years and chose to use the Bible to fear people and rule lands. And those who killed to rule these lands were forgiven by the Priest, or Prior, or Lord Bishop, or the Cardinal. Who are they to forgive? Forgiveness comes from God, and we do not know whether if we are forgiven or not until our death. BRAINWASHED!
So stop arguing with these imbeciles, because as a former Christian and Catholic, I know how the narrow minded Christians can do nothing but just scream out the words “Jesus is the answer” when they should actually say “God is the answer”
Ivarfjeld, keep your narrow mind to your self and don’t need to waste your time on me by replying to me with your friendly greetings because the only thing you can do is “repeat” yourself from what you’ve been saying for the past 24 hours and still nothing different.
Thank you for reading my long comment. God Bless you all
Dear Juan Sanchez Hassan.
Greetings of peace, in the name of Jesus.
You wrote:
The Muslims, just like the Christians also believe that Jesus will come back to earth before the destruction. However, the Jews don’t believe that.
My reply:
The Jews believe equally that the Messiah will come. 300.000 Jews in the US, are Messianic Jews. They believe that Jesus is the Messiah, and that it is Jesus who is coming back. We do not know how many Jews inside Israel are Messianic. But there are many Jews who in our days turning positive to the truth about Jesus loving the Jewish people.
In regards to false Christianity, I agree with you that the Vatican represent a corrupt and worldly religious and political system. I have just explained that the Catholic religion is a perversion of the true faith in Jesus of Nazareth.
As a Catholic that has converted to Islam, you should take the Koran seriously. There are more than 140 verses that promotes violence. I guess the Koran was also written by men. So I do not understand why you are attacking the Bible.
Even you have to admit that the teachings of Jesus is correct. His message of love, and His instruction to his followers not to harm anyone. That man has misused His name, does not make the teachings of Jesus null and void. He is the truth, and if we follow Him we will be saved by Him.
Dear Ivar
When you say promoting violence. The Bible can also be accused of this:
the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys. (1st Sam 15:2-3)
Exodus 21:23-25
But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 22:2
If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.
Do not allow a sorceress to live. Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal must be put to death. Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.
Exodus 31:15
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
Exodus 32:27-28,35
Then he said to them, “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: `Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’ The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died … And the LORD struck the people with a plague because of what they did with the calf Aaron had made.
I could go on. If you say that this is the Old testamant and that Isa (as) never condoned violence you cannot as the Bible quotes Isa (as) as stictly upholding the law to which the above verses apply.
Also the God you belive in is the same God of the Old Testamant so your idea that God does not sanction violence is wrong.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
It is true that God of Israel told the Jews to protect them selves against their enemies. They were a small people of 12 tribes, and God wanted to build a great nation out of them. He did. The Jewish Kingdom of David and Solomon is among the greatest that have ever been seen on Planet Earth.
The Law of Moses was the very education of the Jewish people. It preserved them, so the Jewish nation could bring us the Messiah.
When Jesus walked on Earth, He did renounce violence. The Jewish nation was already there, and Jesus spoke against capital punishment. A lady that was caught in adultery was not stoned. Jesus asked a simple question: The one who is without sin, can throw the first stone.
I guess this example and His instruction is still valid.
juan sanches hassan what a legend, i was beginning to think i was the only one pointing out the fact that this imbecile or should i say these imbeciles are consistently just repeating themselves over and over again, they dont have an answer to certain questions because there is no answer that wouldnt portray them or their religion in a bad light. instead they beat around the bush quoting the same passages over and over again. the only reason i am even bothering to reply to them is in the hope that maybe even one lost soul who wanders onto this site will read and think and join the correct path. That point aside i agree i really am wasting my time preaching to a bunch of brainwashed idiots.
Dear mhus.
Shalom.
I can not agree with you, that I have quoted the same Bible verses again and again.
Let me give you some other verses, that exposes that people who do not believe that the blood of Jesus is the only remedy that can cleanse us from sins, are living in darkness.
John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
John 8:12
When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
if jesus p.b.u.h died over 2000 years ago how the f*** is his blood going to cleanse your soul 2000 years later ???? have you got it stored in some top secret ultra well guarded 2 millenia old blood bank that you can just nip into and pull out whenever you a need a bit of the good ol’ cleanse ?
To Juan Sanchez Hassan :
Salam Brother Hasan,
I did try my best with giving bybelic quote and referencing quran to make him understand. But he is repeting same thing again and again. Then I gave up. Thanks for your intervene.
Bye all from this long debate. Actually we muslim has wasted our time to make understand some ignorant people.
Hope Allah will give them ability to read the QURAN and understand the reality.Otherwise La Kum din a kum olaiadin. Amin
Assalamu alaikum fellow Muslims
Our aim should be to give the message only and leave the rest to Allah as it is Allah who guides. We havent wasted our time as you do not know how many other viewer are reading all the information we are putting up and if Iver will later consider what has been said. The best we can do is not to become angry or frustrated, use bad language as this is not what Islam teaches us.
wassalam
Dear abu hafs.
Shalom.
I want to thank you for your fine art of debating. I feel you are a true Muslim. I want to say from the deepest of my heart. I pray Jesus will come to you in visions and dreams this very night, and tell you that all I have told you about Him, is the truth. Amen.
Dear ivar have signed off for today
Dear Wow.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Dear Ivar have signed off for today.
My reply:
I have warned readers not to insult each other. When the debate gets over heated, its better to let hot heads cool down for some time.
me and my friends (mixed group of 2 hindus,3 muslims,2 jews and a christian) have read all the comments and remarks on this page. but it has come to our attention that gloria and ivarfjeld never answer any qustions posed to them, instead they paste passeges from there bibles. me and my frends have differences regarding faith but we all agree that there is 1 god and profets/messengers were sent to inform/guide people towards the right path. can gloria,ivar or jason answer us this question without pasting scripts from the bible or pussyfooting around the question.Q – if jesus is god? then is mary the mother of god?
Dear Zedz.
Shalom,
I am blessed by your group of mixed religious people, reading this blog. I hope and pray that Jesus will bless you all today.
It is true, that my sister Gloria and I have answered your questions by using verses from the Bible. That is what all true followers of Jesus would do.
Your questions:
Q – if jesus is god? then is mary the mother of god?
My reply:
How can I answer these two questions, without quoting from the Bible?
Please give me some good examples.
does ur god have a mother? is that plain enuff!!
Dear Zedz.
Shalom, and thanks for your comment.
I guess you have nothing more to say about how you will defend your self against a Cobra, holding only a knife in your hand?
You have jumped to another topic, without answering. I await your answer.
Jesus was called both Son of God and Son of man. Mary was the mother of flesh, God was the father of God. When God created the first man he did not use a mother. He moulded him out of dirt and breathed life into him. The first woman did not have a mother, she was taken out of the first man. Only after they sinned (disobeyed God) did they recieve the curse of death which requires new births else we would die out.
God came from God, flesh came from flesh.
i am looking for a simple yes or a no answer! so again, does ur god have a mother?
My dear friend Zedz.
Shalom.
You have still not answered my question: Is a Muslim willing to face a Cobra with a knife in his hand, or would it be wiser as Jesus said to bring a sword along the road?
You asked me if God has a mother. Unlike you, I will answer your question.
No.
So, please answer my question?
If you do not. I will spam you for your bad behavior. Remember you are a guest on this blog, not the owner of this house.
I agree with Ivar. The only way I can answer your questions is by The Word of God.
ok then, does it say in your bible that your god has a mother? since jesus is god!
Mary was the mother of Jesus. Not to say God couldn’t have created him without a mother but he did it that way. God created the world for his own pleasure. He can do things any way he wants to. As a human your job is to say thank you for all the wonderful things he has given you and not ask stupid questions that piss him off.
@Gloria
This is respond to you as you are claiming you knew Bible go back and read it well, if you are clearly understanding what your book said you would have know how to talk. The whole religions on earth did not order to insult people’s religion rather to guide them. Do you think the way you are responding to Islam will make people to understand you? Never.
PREPARATION FOR JIHAAD IN THE BIBLE
Each and every holy prophets prepared for defensive not offensive the, Qur’anic verses that you qoute ask the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to take defence if unblievers attacked him like what Jesus (pbuh) did. Jesus will not be a sitting-duck for a clandestine arrest by the Jews. He prepares his disciples for the impending showdown. Discreetly, so as not to frighten his disciples, he introduces the subject of defence. Gently he begins:
“When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye anything?” And they said, “Nothing.” Then said he unto them, “But now, he that hath no purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag; and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment and buy one!” (Luke 22:35-36)
This is a preparation for Jihaad, a Holy War in your bible, it means that acording to your book that you should sell your properties and buy weapons to fight. Did he Jesus (AS) not advise them to “turn the other cheek”; “to forgive seventy times seven” (70 x 7 = 490)? Did he not send his chosen Twelve with the advice:
“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves; be ye, therefore, as wise as serpents, (?) and as harmless as doves.”
(Matthew 10:16)
So the situation and the circumstance have changed and as with any wise and able general, the strategy must also change. The disciples were already armed. They had some foresight. They had not left Galilee with bare knuckles. They responded:
“. . . Lord, behold, here are two SWORDS.” And he said unto them, “It is
enough”. (Luke 22:38)
This showsthat they possessed the weapons to defend or reterlite to unblievers of that time. Althought he missionary, so as to retain the impression of the “meek and gentle Jesus”, “the Prince of Peace”, pleads that the SWORDS were spiritual!
So if the swords were spiritual, then the “garments” must also be spiritual. If the disciples of Jesus were to sell their SPIRITUAL garments to buy SPIRITUAL swords, in that case they would all become SPIRITUALLY naked! Furthermore, one does not lop off peoples physical ears with spiritual swords, Bibble says
“And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand,
and drew his SWORD, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and cut
off his ear.” (Matthew 26:51)
The only purpose of swords or guns is to maim and to kill. People did not carry swords to prepare apples and bananas in the time of Christ. My dear brothers in humanity dont fool yourselves you better read and understand your Book, we Musilim are highly respecting Jesus (pbuh) we will never mention the name Jesus (pbuh) son of Mary (AS) with out saying Peace and blessing be upon Him that is PBUH in brace, and Mary too without saying Peace be Upon her.
Why you people are not doing thesame to our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) while your book said about Prophet Muhammad?. so I dont hv much time bcos I have seriess of exams this week but Insha Allah I will show you who is Muhammad (pbuh) in your book and you are not practicing the teaching of Juses becos you are not praying the way he prayed but we muslims are prayed in the same manner with Jesus it is there in your book, so that you may understand and follow true religion which is Islam. The religion that Jesus odered you to follow after Him.
Bissalam My regard to ALL.
Dear Elhussen.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
“But now, he that hath no purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag; and he that hath no SWORD, let him sell his garment and buy one!” (Luke 22:35-36)
This is a preparation for Jihaad, a Holy War in your bible.
My comment:
With this kind of understanding of Jihad, it should be enough for Osama Bin Laden to have one gun, only. Not two. That would be one to many.
And, by the way: I sometime carry a knife. Does this make me a Jihadist Christian?
On the road Jesus and his student, was facing wild animals. Do you feel it would have better for them to fight the beasts using their hands?
To misquote the Bible, or delete half of the message, is an art many non-Christians are using. Lets see what the Bible tells us about Jesus and the use of swords.
Luke 22:38
The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied
Two swords for 12 disciples? That would not be a very impressive army of Jihadists.
Yeah, interesting. The same Chapter in Luke 22:31 And the lord said, Simon, Simon. Behold, Satan has desired you, (m)to winow you as wheat.
(m) Satan desires by all means to disquiet the church of Christ, to disperse it and shake it from the one faith.
Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: therefore when thou art converted, strenghten thy brethren.
The sword of truth is the word of God, the double edged sword from out of his mouth
elhussen,
How did I insult you? By stating what Mohammed was? Jesus Christ told us about false teachers, and to watch for them.
I once had a man who practiced witch craft tell me he was a psychic grab my hand (uninvited) and then say I can tell your future, I come from God.
I told him he came from the devil, because if he truly came from God, he would have given all all Glory to him.
Was I supposed to have kept my mouth shut? No. Those who believe in the lies of satan, and approach me, I will tell them “Jesus Christ is the ruler of all, and everything else are lies.” If that hurts anyone’s feelings, than I cannot help that.
@Ivarfjeld
Thanks for your welcome address
You wrote
And, by the way: I sometime carry a knife. Does this make me a Jihadist Christian?
Answer:
Put this in your mind, sword and knife are different, the sword of that time is same as gun, and missile of this time the purpose of holding sword at that time is the same as holding a gun at this time. The most sophisticated weapon at that time is sword not knife.
You don’t know what jihad is. Jihad is to protect yourself against your enemy as your book instructs some to sell their garment and buy weapon to protect Jesus (pbuh) and their selves. If you carry a knife with intention to protect yourself against an enemy is according to what Jesus (pbuh) instruct you in (Luke 22:35-36) you are jihadist Christian. But for now you are not true follower of Jesus because you are not reading and following real teaching of Jesus (pbuh) your people change the real teaching of Jesus (I have more evidence about that). If you carry knife you know what you have done. But try sword and cut off some body’s ear.
Your Bible says “SWORD” why you cite example with knife which is so common?
You said
On the road Jesus and his student, was facing wild animals. Do you feel it would have better for them to fight the beasts using their hands?
And Bible said
“And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand,
and drew his SWORD, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and cut off his ear.” (Matthew 26:51)
Do you mean that the servant mention in above verse is animal? Is there having priest in animals? I don’t think you people clearly understand what Bible says.
Your argument have no base because your book order you to prepared for jihad according to (Matthew 26:51).Moreover, one were with Jesus apply it and cut off somebody’s ear and you are trying to say the purpose of sword is for animals not human beings.
If you don’t know Jesus have soldiers to protect him, like how Hassan Nasarallah did, like how Osama did, like how Taliban did, like how Hamas did like how, Fatah did like how Al-qaeda did. If you argued, I will quote you a reference from Bible.
I m not defending Osama but Islam, and we have certain way of making jihad not the way that Osama did. I did not called what Osama did as Jihad but is a revenge on what US did to him. We have rules and regulation of doing it. Remember there is about 1.xx Billion Muslims in the world. Are they all like Osama? So you have trained Osama to do all this (United State). Also you force many Muslim acts like Osama because you kill their relatives friends and others you confiscate their lands, resources you severely cheated them. You kill thousand innocent lives in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palastine e.t.c. Do you think these are the teaching of Jesus (pbuh)? You know where Osama, Hassan Nasarallah, AhmadeNajad, Mullah Umar are, why can’t you go direct to them? But you are killing innocents’ people and calling them terrorist. My brother you have to repent and follow the real teaching of Jesus (pbuh) as he ask you to follow Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) after him. Tell your people to stop killing people this is not what Jesus (pbuh) teaches them.
Bissalam.
Dear Elhussen.
Shalom.
I am happy you are reading, and quoting from the Bible.
You wrote:
And Bible said
“And, behold, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand,
and drew his SWORD, and struck a servant of the high priest’s, and cut off his ear.” (Matthew 26:51)
My reply:
Please add the very next verse, where Jesus is rebuking Peter for doing wrong. He said “enough of this”. Jesus stop a possible blood shed, the radical opposite of what you are claiming.
One cut off ear without permission, does not make much of a “Holy war”.
Next:
I do not know, if you are tough enough to face a cobra, only holding a knife in your hand.
What about a bear?
I know Muslim men are tough guy’s, but lets be a little bit sober.
elhussen,
You said: I am not defending Osama but Islam, and we have certain way of making jihad, not the way that Osam did.
My Comment: Though I knew what a jihad was, I looked online for a clear definition. The internet version says: a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels.
Jesus Christ told us the way we should live.
Galatians 5:19-24
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. …
Jesus will come back to tell stupid christians that what they believe were all lies…
Dear Karen.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Jesus came into the World, to save sinners. I am one of them, and so are you. I do not mind to be called stupid, and I do commit mistakes. If you have nothing more fruitful to say, stay off line. I will spam your next message, Now, I have warned you in advance.
Karen,
Jesus will come back.
And eventually all who do not believe will have to answer to him.
Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Greetings of peace and Solidarity!
I remember my professor who told me:” If you want to loss your friends, you keep on arguing with them”. This is true because in argumentation, anger, bias and prejudices always reign. I don’t want to argue now.
With respect to the Planned Qur’an burning, Majority of the christian political,traditional and religious leaders had expressed their indignation over the said undesirable program. Only few of our christian brothers commended that Pastor/Orchestrator. My view is with the majority. The act of burning any considered Holy Book is totally reprehensible. The mind of the initiator of this devil act goes with the planners of the 911 twin towers demolition.
you know what people….there’s no point argueing with eachother about religions (whether about Islam or Christianity).
WE believe what we’re told to believe so no1 is getting misjudged….if we were told to follow our holy books (Qu’ran or Bible) then that’s what we’re supposed to do….follow our holy book and our Prophets.
No point blaming one another saying the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) or Jesus Christ (pbuh) were liers or sinners….they are Prophets so respect them and respect eachother religions as well as your own.
And why try and show proof by writing queots from the Bible or the Qu’ran? Christian knows what’s written in the Bible and Muslims knows what’s written in the Qu’ran…so just follow your own religion and stop peeking over to other religions and blame them for unnecessary things.
IF we continue to argue like this then there won’t ever be peace in the world…and just to tell you all God has told us to love and respect eachother and its written in every holy book to every religion.
On the Day of Judgement may all of your questions be answered.
If i offended anyone by stating what i had to say then i apologise.
Thankx
Dear Szhz.
Shalom, and tanks for this viewpoint.
If you are correct, that we should not share our faith with others, I guess that applied to Muhammad also?
Why did He share his faith with others?
Why did He not just kept quiet?
My Master Jesus has told me to go and preach Good News. Because salvation by His shedding of blood for your sins, is something you need to know about. You can accept it, or you can reject it.
I do not need anybody’s permission, or approval to preach. I guess there were no one forcing you to visit this site?
szhz,
As a believer of Jesus Christ, and knowing what I’ve seen awaits those who do not believe, I will not give up spreading the true word and love of Jesus Christ to those who do not believe.
Jesus Christ does not want anyone to go to hell, and I don’t want to see anyone suffering such agony.
The bible says: 2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
God Bless!
Gloria you kept on blabbering that Islam is a religion of the evil and what Mohammad (SAW) said were all lies.. you didnt even based on facts! i thought christians are peace-loving people? what u just said was an insult to our part! you have just gone way beyond the belt. to the closed-minded freaks i’ve encountered here, i advise you to read the Holy Qur’an, the noble one!
WT,
What I said was Islam is a religion filled with lies. I hate no one, nor have I ever harmed anyone. It is because of caring what will happen to you if you do not accept Christ, that I tell you the truth.
I will continue to spread the word and the truth: Jesus Christ is the only way. He alone can save you, if you accept him as God and that he died on the cross for your sins.
God Bless.
i do have many christian friends and im very exposed to the christian ways because i’ve grown up in a christian community, but you know what?! i still hold on to my faith, i always believe in Islam! nothing of all i’ve seen or heard or read made me turn back from my religion. i was born a Muslim and I will die a Muslim!
Dear WTU
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Growing up with Christian friends, is no guarantee that you have met someone who have told you about Jesus.
What do you think about Him, dying for your sins on the cross?
Do you believe you are a sinner, that needs to be saved?
Dear Ivarfjeld,
I just need some of your explanation..i need to clear these out.
why do you say Jesus is the son of God…why? Is it because he has a mother but not a father? AND that father supposedly to be god himself? What about Adam and Eve? They both do not have MUMMY and DADDY ?? What will be of these people…do you call them GOD too…but they’re both have died long time ago?? Please help me to clear this matter as it realyt confuses me? AND, how many prophets are there throughout since the time of ADAM till now…where does Jesus born? What language he speaks? Help me please !!!
Tony Ja, Thailand
Dear Tony Ja.
Shalom, and welcome to a man from Thailand.
Thanks for listening, and posting a nice comment.
The God of Heavens, is a tribune God. Father, Son and Spirit. This God is eternal. No beginning, no end.
The Father sent His Son to Earth. He took on flesh, walked among us as a human. His name is Jesus of Nazareth, born as a Jew in the ancient kingdom of Israel.
The Spirit of God reminds us about Jesus, and convinces us about sin. Also about judgment that is coming up on Earth, where the majority of men will be convicted for their life in sin, and thrown into the fire of Hell. That is an eternal punishment.
In regards to Adam and Eve, they are the couple that lead mankind into sin. They disobeyed God, and was kicked out of the Garden of Eden. Because they sinned, God cursed His creation. Only Jesus can lift this curse.
Jesus was a Jew. He spoke Hebrew, the language they speak in Israel today. But He understands thai. You can pray to Him in any language.
Jesus is alive. He paid for our sins, with his own blood. Give your life to Him, and you shall live forever in the eternal Kingdom of Heaven.
WT,
You said I was born a muslim and will die a muslim.
My Comment: I pray to Christ that he touches your heart, and that you seek him with an open heart and mind, and that you find the truth.
God Bless.
May Peace Be Upon You All.
I was searching for some news and happen to open this blog. I read few comments. I felt very sad that muslims are making such abusive comments. Don’t you guys remenber what our prophet (pbuh) said, “DON’T CALL DISBELEIVER A KAFIR AND ABUSE THEM, AS YOU DON’T KNOW WHEN THEY WILL REPENT TO ALLAH”.
And for Gloria And ivarfjeld, guys please get your basics wright. You guys are making so many comments about Islam And Prophet(pbuh) without even knowing the facts. (Nauzubillah) If Prophet (pbuh)is a liar, and you say that Quar’an is word of satan, then please here is a test for you to prove that you are wright, if you can write a single worse like in the Quar’an (not copy it) then I’ll beleive in your god, the test is given for non-beleivers in the Quar’an itself.
Chapter No. 112, if Jesus (pbuh) is a god, then he should satisfy all the condition given in this chapter (there are four conditions please try that).
One more thing, in the entire bible Jesus (pbuh) never said that he is god, John said he is god, Matthews said he is god, Peter said he is god, in the entire bible Jesus (pbuh) never said he is god and worship him. You get me one unequivocal, unambigous, un-altered worse from Bible wherein Jesus (pbuh) himself sya that he is God I’ll beleive that “JESUS (PBUH) IS THE GOD”. Because I know there is not a single unequivocal, unambigous, un-altered worse in th entire bible wherein Jesus (pbuh) himself says he is god.
May Allah bless you and show all of us the right path (Ameen).
To all,
I am suprised that Ivar’s blog (this particular subject) has reached 540 messages in less than a week, and most of them from muslims. It is a blessing to have you here.
Spreading the Word of Christ is now more important than ever, because I truly believe that we are living in the last days.
There were alot of questions here that have been answered, and possibly a few that have not been answered. Either way, I believe (and have seen) that once you pick up the Holy Word of God (bible) you will see why God loves us so much.
Many believe that I have insulted Mohammed. It was not my intention to hurt anyone’s feelings, by simply stating the truth. Most importantly, I always adhere to the Word of God in everything.
I pray that all of you can give Christ a chance. God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one (John 10:30) and he is coming very shortly. Mohammed was a man who belived in the lies told to him, and unfortunately that has resulted in many people believing that lie.
You cannot imagine what greatness God has for all of us in the kingdom of heaven, and all you have to do is accept the sacrifice Christ did to pay for sins.I will always be here spreading God’s love, praying to him, and awaiting his return.
God Bless you all.
Dear Gloria
Your idea of the sacrifice of Christ stems from the idea of the origional sin (Adam and Eve eating from the forbidden fruit), humans being hopeless sinners and unable to come out of that predicament by themselves. This central tenet of the christians faith is surprisingly missing from the Jewish belief.
Moses says in the Old Testament Deuteronomy 30:10-14:
. . . if you will hearken to the voice of the Lord your God, to keep His commandments and His statutes which are written in this Book of the Law; if you turn unto the Lord thy God with all your heart and with all your soul; for this commandment which I command you this day is not too hard for you neither is it too far off. It is not in heaven, that you should say, “Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us, and make us hear it, that we may do it?” Neither is it beyond the sea that you should say: “Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it that we may do it?” The word is very near to you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may do it.
clearly showing that we are not hopeless sinners and we have freedom of choice and Allah has created us with the intellect to make the right choice ourselves.
So there is no need for anyone to die for our sins or be sacrificed. Furthermore the Noahide Laws’ prohibition of murder included human sacrifice according to Jewish rabbis.
Yet again Paul comes up again as the cause for this strange idea in the Abrahamic tradition. Please read:
http://www.outreachjudaism.org/original.htm in which the author talks of how Paul twisted a quote from the old testamant.
So followers of the one true God never believed in the idea of Origional sin passed down to everyone else. This is an anomaly that pops up in christianity was first planted by Paul and later formulated as doctrine by Bishop of Lyon Irenaeus 200 years after Isa(as) and further by Augustine of Hippo. Read the history.
This anomoly is later corrected by Allah through Islam. In the Quran, Allah talks about the story of Adam and Eve (as).
Surah 2:30-38
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, “Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority.” They said, “Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?” Allah said, “Indeed, I know that which you do not know.”
And He taught Adam the names – all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, “Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful.”
They said, “Exalted are You; we have no knowledge except what You have taught us. Indeed, it is You who is the Knowing, the Wise.”
He said, “O Adam, inform them of their names.” And when he had informed them of their names, He said, “Did I not tell you that I know the unseen [aspects] of the heavens and the earth? And I know what you reveal and what you have concealed.”
And [mention] when We said to the angels, “Prostrate before Adam”; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers.
And We said, “O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise and eat therefrom in [ease and] abundance from wherever you will. But do not approach this tree, lest you be among the wrongdoers.”
But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, “Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.”
Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful
We said, “Go down from it, all of you. And when guidance comes to you from Me, whoever follows My guidance – there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.
Some points to consider:
Adam and Eve(as) were created by Allah and then PREPARED for their arrival on earth. The gift of choice was given to them, something which the angels did not have. They had to experience, making the wrong choice and how to repent to their creator. At the same time they were educated about their enemy satan. Earth was their final destination anyway.
I say to all that we do not have to feel guilty about what happened or carry any burden of sin. We have been given the skills to make the right choices in this world and the power overcome wrong action just as Moses advised the Jews.
Take away Pauls version of christianity and you are left with the pure belief of Christ and all the Prophets and Messengers from Adam to Muhammad, may peace and blessing be upon them all, which negates Origional sin.
Dear abu hafs.
Shalom, and good to see you back. Please do not write longer than this.
You must have noticed, that when you are raising to many questions, or debating multiple issues, people do twist your message.
You wrote:
Your idea of the sacrifice of Christ stems from the idea of the original sin (Adam and Eve eating from the forbidden fruit), humans being hopeless sinners and unable to come out of that predicament by themselves.
My reply:
This is only partly correct.
The original sin, came from Satan. He rebelled against God Almighty, and was kicked out of Heaven. He appear to Adam and Eve, in the form of a serpent.
The original sin, is to question God. The first words uttered in the Garden to Eve was: – Has God really said?
Satan’s main target is the Word of God. He tries to confuse us every day….
Where he is successful, people become slaves of sin. If they do not obey Jesus, they will all perish. Because He is the truth. Jesus had to take the capital punishment for all who mock the Word of God. His name in Hebrew is Y’shua, who literally means “salvation”. The devil is the father of all lies about Jesus the Messiah.
Abu,
You said Adam and Eve were created by Allah.
A complete lie. God is the creater of all things.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Dear Gloria and Abu.
Shalom.
God of the Bible reveled Him self to man, thousands of years before Muhammad was walking on Earth. God of the Bible said in the Hebrew Torah: I AM the creator.
Before Muhammad walked ion Earth around 600 A.D, there was no Koran. The Arabs basically believed in any kinds of gods,. They worshiped the moon, and they worshiped the sun.
When Muhammad came to Mecca, He rebuked the Arabs for being idol worshipers. They had one idol for each day, 365 of them. Muhammad removed 364 of them.
The only idol He did not remove, was a stone that was supposed to have fallen down from the heavens. That stone is worshiped as an idol in Mecca up to this day. It is found on the Kaaba.
Please read this article, and tell me if a black stone in Mecca can take away the sins of people who kisses this stone.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/bible-studies-42-muslims-worship-a-black-stone-in-mecca-fallen-from-the-moon/
For the the misguided people: If you are really following Jesus (Alayhis Salaam) , you cannot dare to insult prophet Muhammad. I have read and I know you have read too about who did the 911 attack. The 911 incident was planned by the Bush Administration and the Israel to impute then blame to the Muslims. Try to look that at whatreallyhappened.com. But instead of casting doubt on Islam,
after the incident, a lot of Americans and Europians embraced Islam. And now Islam is rapidly growing in your places. Here comes the Qur’an burning to steer anger, inspire and incite Muslims to react radically. Let us love our Christian neighbors. Brother Christians even condemned the Burners in the strongest words possible. To the Burners of the Qur’an, and to those few well-wishers, please try to do the burning (if you wanna do it again) in an isolated or open field so you may not endanger residential houses. Lest, a case of arson be filed against you. Also, don’t do it near the forest because wild fires may ensue and you are affecting American populace. You do what the German Vicar did few years ago in protest against the Islamization of Europe. This vicar burned himself alone. No one was affected. He left a suicide note telling his relatives and followers ” This is a protest on the Islamization of Europe”.
We advised our brother Muslims to observe calmness and be patient. Those who are trying to burn the Holy Qur’an succeed only in burning their umbilical cords to humanity. For truth cannot be burned. It is eternal.
Casser,
You said: The 911 incident was planned by the Bush Administration and the Israel to impute then blame to the Muslims.
My Comment: It must have been Jews dressed as Muslims who blew up those plains huh? Pretty convincing costumes- they truly looked like muslims to me.
Your comment: But instead of casting doubt on Islam, after the incident, a lot of Americans and Europians embraced Islam. And now Islam is rapidly growing in your places.
My comment: Because of those attacks, many blame all muslims for it. I do not blame all muslims. I do not blame anyone, because there is still a chance (while breath) is in your lungs, to seek the truth, and seek Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Your comment: For truth cannot be burned. It is eternal.
My Comment: Jesus Christ is the only truth, and he is the alpha and omega. There is no God but him. All others are lies created by satan.
Romans 14:10-12 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
Do you realize what these verses really say? EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS TO GOD. Thank you Jesus for all you have done and for what you continue to do.
God Bless.
Madame Gloria,
The Muslim dress/attire are available in the market. Anybody can buy. And I tell you, even before the 911 attack, Muslims riding planes were being subjected to rigid inspection. And for this reason, it would be practically impossible for a Muslim attackers to wear Muslim dress. Good mind dictates that he will wear short pants or christian clothes to avoid being detected.
I have read many articles by writers of the Washington Post and other independent and brood-minded Americans about the 911 starting one week after the incident and we knew the truth about it. Have you read the article” War on Oil”? How about the ” Who benefits from the twin towers attack?- A question no one dares to answer”.
Several U.S Writers had convincingly rebutted the evidence presented by the U.S government to put the blame to the Muslims. Among them are the folloowing:
1. ” The U.S govt. alleged that the high-jackers had a drinking spree in a parking area a night before the incident. They were shouting words impliedly saying that something will happen tomorrow. They left a small Qur’an in that parking area.”- American writers did not believe on this. They said that A Muslim who will do a Jihad will never drink a liquor or wine. Instead, he will purify himself. Also, it is impossible for a Muslim drinking liquor to have a Qur’an with him.
2. The High-Jackers had forced the passengers to call their relatives and told the relatives that the high-jackers look like arabs. This is very unusual.
3. The perpetrators had enrolled for pilot courses for how many months inside U.S schools UN-NOTICED? But when they executed their plan and hit the buildings, they were identified (their nationality) even before the buildings got collapsed.
4. There was a video shown in U.S Tvs showing Iraqi people clapping as a sign of appreciation to the twin towers attack. It was found out that the video was OLD footage.
5. One of the alleged high-jackers whose name was Mohammad Atha was abducted several months before the Incident. Names were also assumed by the attackers and until now the real persons known for the assumed names are still alive. xxxxxxxxxx and many more.
There are even analysis that the amount of oil and the impact of the planes COULD NOT cause what had happened to the two buildings. Why The buildings fell down like a properly planned demolition? Was it not a case of an inside job? Come on! please read. Who benefits from the Sept 11 attack? Who invented the Anthrax?
And now, you are trying to burn the Qur’an? and when you find this burning of the Holy Book ineffective, you will kill all the Muslim children who have memorized the Qur’an?
Madame, my wish for you is that May the Almighty God-the God of Adam, Jesus, Abraham, and Noah enlighten you and your few followers-“the Burner”.
Casser,
You said: The Muslim dress/attire are available in the market. Anybody can buy. And I tell you, even before the 911 attack, Muslims riding planes were being subjected to rigid inspection.
My Comment: This will be my last comment to you about 9/11. In case you didn’t notice, I was being sarcastic earlier. The Jews DID NOT pretend to dress as muslims, and proceeded to kill 3000 people. It was the Muslims who crashed into the towers and pentagon, and it was the muslims who killed 3000 people. That is the last I would say on ridiculous view of the subject.
You wrote: And now, you are trying to burn the Qur’an? and when you find this burning of the Holy Book ineffective, you will kill all the Muslim children who have memorized the Qur’an?
Madame, my wish for you is that May the Almighty God-the God of Adam, Jesus, Abraham, and Noah enlighten you and your few followers-”the Burner”.
My Comment: I’m not the one burning any type of book, because it is not what Christ would do. Jesus tells us to spread his word with respect and love. And I never would harm anyone, let alone a child.
I will pray that Christ touches your heart, and that you see the truth that JESUS IS GOD AND THAT HE IS THE ONLY WHO CAN SAVE John 3:16
Dear Casser Amerol.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
The 911 incident was planned by the Bush Administration and the Israel to impute then blame to the Muslims.
My comment:
The 12 terrorists who killed almost 3.000 people destroying the Twin Towers in New York (and in two other attacks the same morning), were all Muslims from Saudi Arabia. So it would be much wiser for you to say it was the King of Saudi Arabia who planned and plotted this attack. A Muslim brother of you.
If this had been the only terrorist attack where people are shouting “allah is great”, it would have been possible for the Bush Administration to have plotted the attack. The terrorist attack did take place in America, not in Mongolia.
The problem is that Osama Bin Laden had already said He would attack American. Why would Bush take orders from Osama Bin laden, a Muslim brother of you?
Another problem is that Muslims are killing Muslims all the time, shouting “allah is great”. In countries like Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia Muslims are killing Muslims in the thousands. Muslims are even blowing up Mosques, shouting “allah is great”.
What is a non Muslim going to think about this?
That Bush is behind all these Islamic suicide bombers?
In regards to Israel, they are the victimes of Islamic terrorism. Why would Jews sponsor Muslims who desire to kill all the Jews on planet Earth?
Dear Cessar Amerol.
Your religion have made you blind. There is no truth in your comment.
My dear Ivarfjeld,
You try to read more my friend. Dont you know that at the time the 911 attack took place, the Ben Laden Family were in America? And the U.S Government had chartered a plane for them. They were safely sent home? Why are you telling me about killings in Muslim areas? I know that. But the question is: is the act of killing in line with Islamic teaching? No! We also see what is happening in U.S and other Masihi countries? We could also read various US soldiers killing their families after returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan? We could read here some killing spree in US schools. Serial killers in U.S. Hollywood actors and actresses drowned to drugs . We heard the Pope apologizing due to sexual scandal committed by priests?. You can even add to this. all these would only lead that the world is now unsafe, my friend. Anywhere. We need to read the Holy Qur’an for us to know the straight path. The teachings of the old testament (Injeel) which was sent down to Jesus are there in the Qur’an. Don’t judge Qur’an based on what arabs,Filipinos, Americans, Indians, and Indonisians are doing. For not all arabs, xxxx are real Muslims. Those who could dare to take life, for example, are not Muslims. You can even be better Muslim than the other traditional Muslims if you embrace Islam. If you love Jesus, Jesus (peace be upon him) was discussed in the Qur’an more than what is in the Bible.
When Jesus left and ascended, the world met with total darkness for 500 years as nobody was preaching good manners and right conduct. No one was advocating peace (Islam). Then, prophet Muhammad came to continue the teaching of Jesus. As a result of his sacrifices, little by little, the darkness was lifting. Muhammad was even acknowledged by his Christian friends as Just and Honest Man. One Christian leader said: Had Muhammad reached or ruled the whole world, there will be global peace. When Muhammad left, chaos and anarchy started to surface. It is now our obligation to continue their advocacy-The Da’wat for the oneness of God.
It is my conviction my friend that with your good ideas, you can play an important role in the continuing struggle to spread the teaching of prophet Jesus and Muhammad.
Islam is not only for us, this is for all. Come and join. Look for a Mosque near your area and do the shahada. If you are in United Kingdom, you can easily find mosque. In U.S too. Imam Webb and his groups are there waiting for you.
God bless you and your family.
i have never seen in my life people filled with so much hate,prejudice,ignorance,saying things that they really dont fully understand.one track minded.
God bleses who He wants.everyone is equal in the sight of God whether u muslim,christian or jew,white,black,chinese whatever.your actions here just show why we cant have peace in this world.its not about religion its about you and God.religion wont save anyone,its your actions..all am sensing here is pure ignorance,,saying things most people probably heard or read somewhere.you need to have 100% knowledge of something to discuss.i doubt a lot of people are talking things that they realy know or understand from religion,terrorism,killings,
Dear Adam.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
God bleses who He wants.everyone is equal in the sight of God whether u muslim,christian or jew,white,black,chinese whatever.your actions here just show why we cant have peace.
My reply:
This god is unknown to me. Please tell me more about this god, and let me know how he appeared to you, and when you wrote down his messages.
In regards to peace. Jesus said love and bless your enemies. I guess If we all had this attitude and obeyed Him, this would be the end of the matter?
we have a big big problem right now in our world..a world with a threat of nuclear weapons..no real security,poverty,earthquakes,floods and what have you and all u wana do is insult each other instead of discussing important issues to get to a common ground..God is love,God protects,Hes everything beyond our imagination..seek the truth and you shall be freed..
everyone has a right to practice what they want..there are extreme muslims,extreme christians,even jews..but its a few people..whoever believes in God preaches love,oneness of God,helps the needy not to be praised or seen by people but for the pleasure of God..we have a problem of materialism rightnow..for most people materialism is their god,,they strive to attain exellence of this world when we only have a short life,,thats why we have so many problems in front of us.
do we really think or know of where we going?wake up people..try to look things in this world with an open mind,,u will learn and kno alot..watch good documentaries,,not just sky or bbc news..read good trusted books not biased books..muslim this or christian that will not gain u eternal life..do good,speak good,thats what we need..
we are in a matrix..not many things that we see are what they seem to be..so before u judge anyone find out the truth
Dear Adam.
Shalom, and please answer my question.
You took the name of god. Which god? When did he appear to you, and when did you write down his messages to you?
You wrote:
we are in a matrix..not many things that we see are what they seem to be..so before u judge anyone find out the truth.
My reply:
Man should never be the final judge of anyone. The Father God has entrusted His Son Jesus to judge the World. Read Matthew chapter 24 and 25, and you will find out where your final destination will be.
Dear Ivar
You said:
The original sin, came from Satan. He rebelled against God Almighty, and was kicked out of Heaven. He appear to Adam and Eve, in the form of a serpent.
The original sin, is to question God. The first words uttered in the Garden to Eve was: – Has God really said?
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I agree the first sin was that of satan who questioned God. As mention in the Quran pride was the sin of satan.
You have a different idea of origional sin compared to most christians and to Paul.
In Augustine’s view all of humanity was really present in Adam when he sinned, and therefore all have sinned. Original sin, according to Augustine, consists of the guilt of Adam which all humans inherit. As sinners, humans are utterly depraved in nature, lack the freedom to do good, and cannot respond to the will of God without divine grace. Grace is irresistible, results in conversion, and leads to perseverance.
So was paul wrong when he said
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13 for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.(romans)?
Dear Ivar
i’ll keep things short
You said the origional sin came from satan. I agree. Allah says in the Quran that it was pride that cause him to question .
Your view is different to that of many christians.
Pauls said in romans
12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned— 13for before the law was given, sin was in the world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law. 14Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
No mention of satan. Is paul wrong?
In Augustine’s view, all of humanity was really present in Adam when he sinned, and therefore all have sinned. Original sin, according to Augustine, consists of the guilt of Adam which all humans inherit. As sinners, humans are utterly depraved in nature, lack the freedom to do good, and cannot respond to the will of God without divine grace. Grace is irresistible, results in conversion, and leads to perseverance.
This is the classical view.
hello ivar, I would like to show you some contradiction in ur bible, so if bible is the word of GOD how could God done mistake. Could u explain this, but dnt try to make me confuse, I know u r a good pastor,
Tis is the contradiction,
How many fighting men were found in isreal? 2 Sameul 24:9 say, eight hundred thousand and 1 chronicles 21:5 says one million one hundred thousand. Just explain me how this comes, why ur the so called God was drunk that time when he said this. I can show u hundreds like this but 1st explain me this.
What do u say about MELCHISEDAC? Is he an another god? Explain but no excuse plzz
Dear Khan.
Shalom, and tanks for being a Bible critic.
Lets take a deeper look into this matter:
2 Sameul 24:9
9 Then Joab gave the sum of the number of the people to the king. And there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men who drew the sword, and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men.
1 chronicles 21:5
Then Joab gave the sum of the number of the people to David. All Israel had one million one hundred thousand men who drew the sword, and Judah had four hundred and seventy thousand men who drew the sword.
(end of scriptures).
Have you ever been in a battle where there were 1,4 million people fighting?
Joab the commander have come up with two different figures. It is His testimony that has changed. Not the exact number of men.
Would you be able to have the full overview?
This is why I have said, that the Bible is a 3.000 year old book that holds 98 per cent similar text. This two verses is a good example that I was right, and that I have not misguided you.
Let me remind you of the very next words, of the book of Samuel. Here King David asks God to forgive him for being such a fool, demanding a man to count an uncountable number, that for God of Israel was not important at all.
2 Sameul 24:10:
And David’s heart condemned him after he had numbered the people. So David said to the LORD, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O LORD, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.”
Yeah David doubted God by counting the numbers. Another part of the Bible God says not to count the numbers.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
A very correct Biblical observation. We have to read the full message, and not take verses out of context.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
I have made spam the last two messages by Khan. He might claim that he knows “allah”, but his filthy language will not be permitted on this site.
Dear Ivar
Concerning the name Jesus.
You say
“His name in Hebrew is Y’shua, who literally means “salvation”.”
Y;shua comes from the word safety “yasha” but Y’shua means he is saved not salvation
secondly there are other Y’shuas in the Bible in
[II Chronicles 31:15]
and
[Nehemiah 3:19]
Isa(as) spoke aramaic not Hebrew
what is Isas name in Aramaic?
“Eesho M’sheekha” meaning “Jesus the Messiah”.
Thus, Jesus would have called himself “Eesho” or more specifically “Eesa” since the Northern Palestinian Jews pronounced the letter “shin” as “seen”.
Hence in Arabic his name is ISA(as)
Why was his name Isa? Because in the aramaic and arabic his name means north star.
“I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: there shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel…” [Numbers 24:17]
“Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.” [Matthew 2:2]
Chapter 2 of Matthew details the Magi following the North Star in search of the Jewish Messiah. It was the most well known sign of the Messiah.
Jesus’ name being “`Eesa” from the Arabic root “`Assa” and the Hebrew root “`Esh” meaning “North Star”
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom, and thanks for debating on this site.
It is fruitless to talk about the name of “Jesus”. It is written and pronounced differently in almost every language and culture. In my native language, we can not pronounce the word “Y’shua”. It would have to be pronounced in two separate words, that would sound very odd. I am suppose you will not be able to pronounce the words å, œ and ø. Just try.
In Hebrew there in no “J”. So it is not possible to write the name “Jesus”.
He do not mind. The Jewish Messiah can speak all languages. He will understand, all who have understood who He is, and seeks his mercy, pardons and grace.
Dear Iver
The point being made was that his name does not point to salvation as you claim.
Secondly you should not (is not good manners)to refer to someone by a name other than theirs. You cannot call God, Bob.
You say theres no J in Hebrew, point being discussed is the meaning of the name not its spelling.
The Prophets are named after events surrounding their birth, so:
Adam related to adamah meaning tilled earth
Noah(as) from the word rest
Ishaaq(as) from laugh- Ibraheem (as) laughed at hearing the news
Ishmael(as) from ‘to hear’ – God heard Hagers prayer.
Moses(as) ‘drawn out’ as he was drawn out of the river
Isa(as) north star or bright star as this was the sign of his birth.
Jesus means nothing, it has no proper derived root and there is a possiblity it has come from the acronym “Y’SHW”.
By this acronym he is mentioned in all early Jewish words regarding Isa(as) . The Toledoth Yeshu which is dated to the 6th Century A.D. calls him by this name.
This acronym was given because of:
Exodus 23:13: “And in all things that I have said unto you be circumspect: and make no mention of the name of other gods neither let it be heard out of they mouth.”
Because the Jews consider christian belief as idolatry.
What does the acronym “Y’SHW” stand for?
“Yemach Shmo w’Zikro” meaning “May his name and memory be blotted out”.
From this abbreviated curse the Greeks hellenized the name to “Ieosus” which later was Anglicized to “Jesus” by the King James’ translators of the Bible. As shocking as the facts are, all are encouraged to research this subject in detail.
ok was jesus pbuh sent to be crucified Or that he was crusified?
ok sorry for that ivar,but give me answer of my 2 questions,u ll never be able to give answer,
Dear Khan.
Shalom, I accept your apology. There is no need to use filthy language.
You asked:
ok was jesus pbuh sent to be crucified Or that he was crusified?
My reply:
This is indeed a very good question. If Jesus was crucified against His will, this would have been a crime. But if He was sent, and called, to be crucified, the responsibility is purely with God the Father.
These are the words from the great Jewish prophet, Isaiah. From chapter 53: Verse 10 first, and than three more verses.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
4.Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Dear khan.
Shalom.
The former message of Isaiah 53, is confirmed by the gospel writer John, in chapter 11. Verse 49-52.
Then one of them, named Caiaphas, who was high priest that year, spoke up, “You know nothing at all! You do not realize that it is better for you that one man die for the people than that the whole nation perish.”
He did not say this on his own, but as high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the Jewish nation, and not only for that nation but also for the scattered children of God, to bring them together and make them one.
(end of scripture)
This is one of the most beautiful messages in the Bible, the suffering servant, crucified to unite us. Look at the cross with an open mind. Listen to your heart, and you will finally understand….
Dear Ivar
isiah 53 has nothing to do with the resurrection or Isa(as)
verse 2: He is as a root in a thirsty land: he has no form nor comeliness; and we saw him, but he had no form nor beauty. But his form was ignoble, and inferior to that of the children of men.
(Hes has no form, no form of beauty, was inferior)
Verse 3: Hes was despised and rejected by men.
(Isa(as) Had faithful follower and healed many according to the Bible so was not despised and rejected by all)
Verse 7: He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
(according to the Bible Isa(as) did open his mouth)
Verse 8: By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living (This is wrong The Hebrew says he will be thrown in jail according to the NIV Bible’s commentary.
(He did not go to Jail)
Verse 10: He will see his offspring and prolong his days
(DOESNT apply to Isa(as))
So in conclusion Isaiah 53 is not about Isa(as) as claimed by the christians and the Jews never considered it to be referring to a person but the Jewish people as a nation.
And all the points in the chapter do apply to the Jewish nation.
Tried to keep it short
Dear abu hafs
Shalom.
Thanks for making it short.
You wrote:
Verse 3: Hes was despised and rejected by men.
(Isa(as) Had faithful follower and healed many according to the Bible so was not despised and rejected by all)
My reply:
But this verse does not say that Jesus was rejected by all?
He was surely rejected by men. There was no one who came to His defense during his trial. He was crucified, and He died for our sins.
Dear abu hafs
Shalom.
You wrote:
And all the points in the chapter do apply to the Jewish nation.
My reply:
Let me remind you of this verse:
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
I am happy that you feel that the Jewish nation was pierced for your transgressions. I wish it was like this. Because I love Israel, and the Jewish people.
But how has the wounds of the Jewish nation healed you?
jesus was sent to be crusified or that he was crusified?
Dear,
Fellow Human Beings,
I believe in Islam and Prophet Mohammed firstly because Prophet Mohammed Was born in the complete light of History.his companion ruled(Spread the Islam) more than Half the World.Can anybody tell me any incidence whr Muslims forcefully converted people to Islam ? (please answer with authentic/established historical reference).
And also please bring to my Notice any of his(Mohammed) Action which have been harmful to human beings and also anything which he ask people to do.I mean bring it to my notice, Any activity upon following which a human can suffer from any disorder or any Diseases.
Please be the truth Seeker.
May Allah (Subhanauta`lla )guide us All human to follow truth and help bring Peace to this World.
Mohammed,
Mohammed himself may have not “forcefully” converted people into Islam. (I do not know) But he did the most huge damage in that many people have followed a lie created by satan. Also, many of your islam brothers today in other countries do force people to convert, because their only other option is death.
Jesus Christ forces no one to convert. 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
But Jesus Christ is truthful always. He tells us what happens if we do not believe in him. Luke 13:3 No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
God Bless.
To Sister Gloria:
Peace be unto you.
Allow me to say about “forced admission” to Islam. I am a convert and I could assure you maam, I was of the same beliefs with you before.But that was when I did not learn things about Islam.We hated much Islam and Muslims because of what the irresponsible members of the religion had committed plus the other negative things about them..but those were things beyond the teachings of Islam. Islam taught us that the closest ally to Islam is Christianity, it may be because of Jesus Christ (Peace be with him).
If you have time and if you permit maam, may I invite you to these sites: http://www.islamicbulletin.org
http://www.islamtomorrow.com
There are a lot of e-books that can be freely downloaded.This is to discover more things about Islam. Copies of Qur-an can also be found there.
We recognized our differences and respect you for that. Thanks for sharing. May God bless and guide us all to the right path.
We must find the real truth.Act for the best of our World and do our share.All for God sake.
Here is the answer to “FORCED ADMISSION”..?
4.WAS ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD?
Question:
How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?
Answer:
It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have
millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of
force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the
sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible
for the rapid spread of Islam.
1. Islam means peace.
Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means
submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is
acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).
2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.
Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace
and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested
interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for
this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-
social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the
same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The
fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force
can only be used to promote peace and justice.
(edited)
Dear Aldrin.
Shalom,
Your message has been shorted. This is not a lexicon, but a comment field. Please pass short comments. If you do not listen, your message will be spam.
Please write short messages. Make a few points, so we will be able to answer. If you have a lot on your heart, please write several comments.
Dear Aldrin.
Shalom.
It is very impolite not to answer questions.
I asked you:
I wounder, and its really puzzles me, how Muhammad was able to receive a not understandable message?
Please explain how Muhammad was able to receive a not understandable message. Give me some good examples.
Aldrin,
You write: We must find the real truth.Act for the best of our World and do our share.All for God sake.
My comment: I have seen, felt, and heard the truth and his name is Jesus Christ.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
You are very bold, and surely a blessing to all our readers. But please do not publish to many comments in one go. Please give people a fair chance to come back online, and give a reply to a few questions, or a few Bible verses.
Our Bangla brother has invited us for CCD in Kolkata. So let us do all we can, to make him feel loved and welcomed.
Blessings.
dear glory this is absolotly wrong, muhamad pbuh never ever forced sm1, n can u kindly show me an example where people except islam by force, let me tell u that alone in US islaam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
hello ivar,
Ok lets suppose jesus ll save u, so it means u can do anything u want. So it means u can fuck ur daughter, mother, sister, ur preast can abuse children? U sleep wt ur father, ur father sleep wt ur sister, ur preast can sleep wt ur 10 ur old daughter? If yes SO WHY HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT ALOUD IN CRISTAINITY? Why preast were critisised last week? Let them abuse children, WHY NOT?
Khan,
Seriously can you speak without the dirty language? There is absolutely no need for it whatsoever.
No Khan, forgiveness comes after repentance, and God knows your heart. You can not lie to God. If you are not earnestly sorry for your sins there is no forgiveness. You have to be trying to understand him and believe in him. By believe that means when he says killing is bad, adultry is bad etc. that you believe things like that are bad and do not do them. But the flesh is weak and he does understand that we make mistakes.
Catholics made a mockery of forgiveness so there are a lot of misconceptions about it.
Khan,
As I stated in my message to Mohammed, I do not know if Mohammed forcefully converted people to Islam.
And yes, in countries like Africa and India, there are people who are forced into Islam, because of the threat of death. And there are those (praise God) that die, because they refuse to convert. As to articles that prove this, you only have to google “forced to convert to Islam” and you will see many.
Unforunately, we are seeing a rapid growth of Islam. And if they don’t repent, as well as others who do not believe in Christ, the bible is clear on what will happen.
But there is still time, to believe in Jesus who is coming soon.
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria
you said:
Mohammed himself may have not “forcefully” converted people into Islam. (I do not know) But he did the most huge damage in that many people have followed a lie created by satan. Also, many of your islam brothers today in other countries do force people to convert, because their only other option is death.
Please explain what was the ” lie” created by satan?
Secondly is agree that Isa(as) never forced any one to convert, neither did Muhammad(saw) as Allah clearly states in the Quran “There is no compulsion in religion”
If I apply your logic that muslims force people to convert in Africa etc then I can say christians forced many to convert in Spain, the inquisition. Works both ways. The belief cannot be judged by the wrong actions of its followers.
Come back to me on the “lie” please.
Abu,
Islam’s religion is a lie on so many grounds. You believe that Jesus was a prophet, and that’s it. You believe Allah is God.
Those two alone are lies. Jesus is the son of God, but yet they are one John 10:30, including the Holy Spirit. The three are a trinity.
You do not believe Jesus died for our sins. Do you? He did! He shed his blood on the cross, so we could be saved. All we have to do is accept him and believe in him.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
And this verse deals with what I have to say below: “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
This is the complete truth: I have been in the presence of Christ, and there are no words to explain the love and perfection I felt. In that moment, I wanted to be with him completely and always.
I have also seen what awaits those who do not believe in Christ, and it is horrific.
I speak of experience. And firstmost, it as an experience God has given to me, so all Glory goes to him. He alone knows everything.
God Bless.
OH U CRISTAINS, WHY U CALL URSELF CRISTAINS? DID JESUS PBUH SAID THAT? NO! Hahah U ARE FREE U LL GO TO HEAVEN COZ JESUS DIED FOR U BASTEREDS! Y U DNT START PROSTITUITION- JUST SEX- MURDER- KILLING- WELL U R DOING THAT IN IRAQ- AFGHANISTAN ! GOOD . U R FREE.WOOOOW IF UR POP BANEDICT WANK SO IS THERE ANY SHAME????
Ivar:
Please spam Khan’s messages, as I could see he/she does not know how to speak correctly, without using foul language.
Thanks.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
I feel you should overlook his message, and forgive him. He has apologized. Please try to answer his questions with respect, and tell Him more about Jesus.
Blessings.
im sorry to say something wrong. But i just say something. Dont sham of please i want to know really about aristain
Salam Khan
Assalamu alaikum
“Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious.” Noble Qur’ân 16:125
wassalam
im sorry to say something wrong. Wll i swear jesus well come, but let me tell u not to save u but to show u the right path, sorry wtever i said.Dont spam me please, killing is bad so y ur govt is killing innocent people in pakistan, iraq, afghanistan? Ok wht the so called bible says about BASTEREDS? Pz dnt mind it, i really wanna hear.
Dear khan.
Shalom.
No one who claim to know Jesus, who follows His teachings, can ever harm a Muslim. We have to treat Muslims with the greatest respect.
Jesus has set a very high standard for all of us. – Bless your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you.
If the whole World had listen to Him, it would have brought the very end to violence. All mankind would have blessed each other, and been helpful, kind and loving.
Khan,
I accept your apology. I do not understand your question. Yes, killing is bad. God gave us his Holy Word so we can live by them.
And everyone on this earth, will have to answer to Christ. It is written:
Romans 14:10-12
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
dear Gloria
You imply believing in Allah is a lie
The Aramaic “Elaw” and the Arabic “Allah” are the same. The Aramaic “Elaw” is derived from the Arabic “Allah”, and it means “GOD”. “Allah” in Arabic also means “GOD”, the Supreme GOD Almighty. You can easily see the close similarity in their pronunciation.
please read further here:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/allah3.htm
To take things further if you still feels believing in Allah is a lie it means believing in “Elaw” is also a lie. Since this is whom Isa(as) called on and refers to by name as he spoke aramaic he is also “lying”.
Furthermore Allah is not a moon God, in case you also think that.
Ever watched the Passion of Christ. In it the words in aramaic “Elaw” are used abd sound exactly like “Allah”.
Believing and loving Isa(as) as a Prophet/messiah a lie:
Prophet means
A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a God is expressed
Most christians except this applies to Christ (as).
So wheres the lie. We just stop before giving a man the qualities of God. And accoring to christian doctrine Christ(as) was a man.
I still dont see the lie and neither would anyone else.
Furthermore we accept Isa(as) unlike the Jews, see my post on the origin of his name. It is ouit of love that I dont use the word Jesus to refer to Isa(as).
Looking forward to a reply
Dear abu hafs
Shalom, and thanks for more questions to Gloria.
It you do not mind, I will ask you a question:
Since the Koran was written down around 600 A.D, do you feel that the Torah is a false revelation from God?
What about Jesus the Messiah. You say that Muslims believe in Isa. If you, when Jesus said that we have a Father God in Heaven, should not all Muslims believe this to be true?
As fare as I know, Muslims are not allowed to address “allah” as Father God. If I am mistaken, I would be more than happy. Because if “allah” is not My Father in Heaven, I would prefer to have God of the Bible as my God.
Dear abu hafs.
Shalom.
The Word Father is mentioned 97 times in the Koran I read.
In non of them “allah” is addressed as Father.
In this verse, not even Muhammad can be addressed as father.
Sura 33:40
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Apostle of Allah and the Last of the prophets; and Allah is cognizant of all things.
(end of Koran verse)
The word ‘Father” is there 1374 times in the Bible.
Long time before Jesus came in flesh, King David addressed God as His Father.
Psalm 2:7
I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, “You are my Son ; today I have become your Father.
(end of Bible verse)
Also Moses told the Jews, they had a God who is their Father.
Deuteronomy 32:6
Is this the way you repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is he not your Father, your Creator, who made you and formed you
(end of Bible verse).
I feel that the Koran has missed the mark. “allah” does not seem to be the same God as the God of the Hebrews. Their God is also my God.
Abu,
You said: You imply believing in Allah is a lie.
My comment: I didn’t imply anything. I know 100% that Allah is a lie, and islam is a complete lie. And since satan is the father of all lies, then it was he who set this to motion by using mohammed who believed in the lie.
Your comment; Furthermore Allah is not a moon God, in case you also think that.
My Comment: No where did I write that I thought anything was a moon god. Allah is a lie, and the only God I believe in is the TRUE ONE JESUS CHRIST.
I see the complete lie of Islam and know 100% that it is a lie, and I pray to Christ you do too.
Jesus resurrected and he will always be King!
Romans 1:4 and who through the Spirit[a] of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ivar your question: What about Jesus the Messiah. You say that Muslims believe in Isa. If you, when Jesus said that we have a Father God in Heaven, should not all Muslims believe this to be true?
**Applauding you** That is a great question!
God Bless
The bible says a whore has many childeren. Do not feel bad having a husband even though your numbers are fewer. (something like that) There’s another story about one son who goes off whoring looking for women and another son who stays on the fathers farm working. When the bad son finally comes back to the farm the father is very glad to see him. He kills a lamb for dinner to celebrate his return. All are welcome back to God despite your wanderings.
jesus pbuh we muslim love him more than cristains, we dnt drink, dnt eat pork, etc, we believe in him he was true messenger. Now lets come to the point you cristains, a claim was made by jesus in the matthew that people were asking him about a sign, so jesus said as jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whale’s belly so shall the son of man be 3 days n 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Jesus was not lier, but now let see if the profecy come to pass.
Jesus was buried on friday, this is one night
Saturday day jesus was still in the grave, this is day 1,
Saturday night jesus was still in the grave, this is night number 2. got it??
mary magdelene early in the morning b4 sunrise went to see jesus but he was not there. please read mark 16;1 to 6
the time spent by jesus in the grave was 1 day n 2 nights. so can u cristains explain this to me y jesus prophesy was not fullfilled, was he a lier or ur bible is wrong?
Khan:
Your comment: jesus pbuh we muslim love him more than cristains, we dnt drink, dnt eat pork, etc, we believe in him he was true messenger.
My comment: The bible proves that Jesus is God. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Your comment: mary magdelene early in the morning b4 sunrise went to see jesus but he was not there.
when Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome went to the tomb: Mark 16 verses 6 through 7 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’
Mark 16 verses 12 to 19 says: Afterward Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them while they were walking in the country. 13These returned and reported it to the rest; but they did not believe them either.
14Later Jesus appeared to the Eleven as they were eating; he rebuked them for their lack of faith and their stubborn refusal to believe those who had seen him after he had risen.
15He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. 16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
19After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
Romans 1:4 and who through the Spirit[a] of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.
Jesus resurrected and he is alive, and coming very soon!
Friday evening (day 1), Saturday (day 2) and Sunday morning (day 3)..three seperate days. He doesn’t force anyone back. You can see things his way or see things your own way. Choices choices…
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
Which question are you trying to answer? Please explain. I am not sure, If anyone knows what you are trying to tell us.
Khan’s statement that Christ didn’t spend three days in the grave. Seen that question and answer before on Biblelight. You can look at it like Jesus only spent one full day in the grave therefore the three day prophesy is false. Or you can see it as three seperate days in the grave whereby the prophesy is true. Jesus is kind of cool like that, always leaves room for doubters to go their own way.
http://biblelight.net/index-mystery-babylon.html
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
Thanks for explaining.
I have spam this message from Khan. He is not coming back on this blog.
Jesus surly spent three days and three nights in the grave, as the Bible explains. That is why the Catholic’s are wrong. Good Friday is an invention by Rome. There is not three nights between Friday afternoon and Sunday morning.
So Jesus was not crucified on a Friday, but could have been so on any other day of that week.
I don’t know, this guy makes some good arguements. Here is the arguement for friday. I’ll have to study it some more to better understand the meaning of passover and how it all fits together.
http://biblelight.net/pasover.htm#
w salam bro, exactly thats y i m here, but can u just see there answer i swear i dnt understand there answer at all. I ask smthing they say smthing else.. Now lets see wt they say about the sign of jonas.. And gloryn ivar, i wrote in the last reply, jesus said SHALL THE SON OF MAN, CONFUSE!!!! SON OF MAN? ??? Jesus was son of man? Is god man? Explain plzzz
But give me proper answer dnt confuse us
Dear khan.
Shalom, and thanks for blessings me with good questions.
Jesus, Son of Man. Its is just fantastic that you have a brother in Heaven, that is just like you. Who walked on Earth as a complete human being. Crying, sleeping, eating, fishing, walking and talking.
His mother was Jewish. She was a virgin.
The same Jesus, is also Son of God. Divine. God decided to came down from Heaven, took form of a human, and walked in the streets of Jerusalem.
This is just mind blowing, so amazing, that very often when I remember Him, I start to cry. Cry of joy, what this God Son has done for me.
Jesus used the title himself son of man.
Luke 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
Matthew 26:64 Yes, it is as you say,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
He is the Son Of Man because he died for our sins on the cross. I believe in him, and accept him. You can too.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Dear Iver
You said:
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.
I am happy that you feel that the Jewish nation was pierced for your transgressions. I wish it was like this. Because I love Israel, and the Jewish people.
But how has the wounds of the Jewish nation healed you?
_________________
I should have qualified that statement by saying it talking to the Jews not anyone. You are applying it generally when Jewish scholars explain it within a Jewish narrative.
hahahah, fuck u bastereds. You just fucking write the whole bible straitaway, you dnt fucking know wt the fuck u r talking about, only becoz of u fucking bastereds n bitches the whole poor cristains r destroyed. If you say i was sleeping fucking 8 hrs last night, and then u write in the diary that i slept 6 hrs last night, so is there any fucking difference r not? Offcourse yes, so whatever jesus said it was not like that , ur so called bible who wrote it that mother fucker was drunk. Fuck u all bastered, block me i m not coming back. U fucking ashtray people. PLEASE DEAR CRISTAIN BROTHER N SISTER I SWEAR OF GOD JESUS IS NOT GOD. IF HE WAS GOD Y HE CRYIED TO GOD B4 CRUSEFICTION.GOD IS ONLY ONE NOT THREE. EMAIL ME AND I LL GIVE U VERY GOOD BOOK WHERE U LL FIND 100% PROOF FROM UR BIBLE IS NOT THE BOOK OF GOD. TRUST ME
Khan,
Seriously I accepted your apology, but yet you begin to speak disgusting again.
I will not answer anymore questions from you.
I pray that God touches your heart, and that you see the truth. God Bless.
Dear kHan.
Shalom.
You are a disgrace for 1,2 billion Muslims in the World. You claim to know “allah”, but I will overlook this perverse message. The next message will surely become spam. And you will not be given more chances on this blog.
But I will keep your last message on display for all my readers.
Dear Iver
Thanks for the question.
You asked:
Since the Koran was written down around 600 A.D, do you feel that the Torah is a false revelation from God?
What about Jesus the Messiah. You say that Muslims believe in Isa. If you, when Jesus said that we have a Father God in Heaven, should not all Muslims believe this to be true?
___________________________
God confirms in the Quran that the previous scriptures were revelation. So we believe the Torah and the Ingeel as being revealed by God to the Prophets (as).It is not a false revelation. However due to the following:
“Woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say “this is from Allah”, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their own hands have written and woe to them for what they earn” Quran,Baqarah:79
“How can you say, “We are wise, we have the law of the Lord”, when scribes with their lying pens have falsified it? The wise are put to shame; they are dismayed and entrapped. They have spurned the word of the Lord, so what sort of wisdom is theirs?” Jeremiah 8:8
..we say that we judge it according to The Criterion, one of the titles of the Quran.
Since the above is a Bible quote, you must believe in that too.
The second part of your question:
Without a doubt The Father referred to in the Torah is Allah and if you went back to the origional language you would see that they referred to God using “The Father” and “Elah” in the same way that Isa(as) did as i was explaining to Gloria.
As far as Muslims using the term The father to refer to Allah, there is no wrong in it as we are referring to the same God. Allah is the proper name of God and that is why we prefer to call on our Creator using his proper name as well as the many other beautiful names Alah refes to Himself by in the Quran, like the Most Merciful, The Most Gracious, The Exalted etc.
Since Allah tells us in the Quran:
“Say, Allah is One” surah Ikhlas we say Allah.
I have not found anywhere to suggest that we blaspheme by saying Allah is The Father.
Just to add Iver
It would be helpful if I could answer as a reply to your messages rather than replying at the bottom of the page. Some how Gloria is able to add these replies?
regards
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
Do you mind if I only address Him as “Father”, and not as “allah”?
Dear Iver
It is not about what I mind. It is about what God asks of us.
And God asks of us to call Him by the name Allah, in the Quran.
What issue do you have with the use Allah?
What about calling God Elah, that is biblical?
To Gloria
Im still waiting for an answer to my questions.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
What if I asked you for permission to call God my Mother. Would that be counted as blasphemy against “allah”?
Abu,
I answered your questions in my message upward dated September 20, 2010 at 7:56 pm
If there is something else I missed, please let me know.
Also I’m only clicking “reply” at the message of each post that is posted. I’m doing nothing special.
Dear Gloria
Let me rephrase my Question
Would you refer to God as Elah, or Elaw or Elohim?
Do you reject that Isa(as)
Was one who spoke by divine inspiration? Im not saying only, but is that one of his characteristics?
Do accept that Isa(as) is one of the names of Jesus.
Lastly it no really helpful to the debate to make subjective statements
Like:
My comment: I didn’t imply anything. I know 100% that Allah is a lie, and islam is a complete lie. And since satan is the father of all lies, then it was he who set this to motion by using mohammed who believed in the lie.
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Adds nothing to this discussion really. Being sincere is about being open to consider the other opinion objectively. Your statement above cannot be taken objectively by anyone. I cant evaluate it in anyway. If your not on this forum for debate like iver is, fair enough, just say so.
Regards
Abu
First, let me answer your bottom comment. You initally said: You imply believing in Allah is a lie.
My response was in direct reponse to your view of my comments. And I was completely sincere (open and genuine.) If you felt it added nothing to the discussion, then you have a right to your own opinion. I have replied with mostly all comments surrounding the Word of God which is the truth.
Now you ask me this: Would you refer to God as Elah, or Elaw or Elohim?
My Comment: My parents have been Pentecostals for 40 years. I am 34 years of age, so all my life I’ve been hearing, experience, and surrounded by the Word of God. I call God: God, Jesus, My Father, King. Those are the names I use, when I call to Jesus Christ, cry out to him, speak to him, or praying.
Your comment: Do you reject that Isa(as)
Was one who spoke by divine inspiration? Im not saying only, but is that one of his characteristics?
My Comment: First I do not agree with your view of the Jesus (Isa)in the book you believe in. It is a false view, because you do not believe that Christ is God, and that he resurrected. I’ve stated that Jesus Christ is God and that the Word of God is the Holy Bible. But as I’ve said earlier, I have been in the presence of God, and Glory to him in all things, because Jesus is alive! And as to your comment about divine inspiration, I’ve stated before also that God through the Holy Spirit gave these men the words to write in the Bible.
And as to yoru last comment? Do accept that Isa(as) is one of the names of Jesus?
My Comment: As you must know, Isa is an arabic name for Jesus. Arabic speaking christians call Jesus “Yasu”. But Muslims call Jesus Isa- and of course they do not believe Jesus is God. So No I do not accept Isa as a name of Christ.
Simply because I do not believe in anything the Muslims believe in.
I believe that Jesus Christ resurrected and that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one John 10:30
I also believe that Jesus Christ is coming soon! Abu, I hope with great care in my heart, that Christ touches yours. God Bless you.
Dear Gloria
You say
My parents have been Pentecostals for 40 years. I am 34 years of age, so all my life I’ve been hearing, experience, and surrounded by the Word of God. I call God: God, Jesus, My Father, King. Those are the names I use, when I call to Jesus Christ, cry out to him, speak to him, or praying.
God willing if you are given the opportunity to study the origional language of the Torah and Gospel you would come to know how much we share and maybe then you would not feel the following:
“Simply because I do not believe in anything the Muslims believe in.”
As far as the second coming of Isa(as) we both believe in that also, and I sincerely hope that you and I and everyone else recognise him when he comes and follow him, despite what we may believe about him now.
It was a pleasure to communicate with someone of your background, its not something I get to do often.
God bless you too Gloria and guide you and give you a good end, ameen.
Abu,
You said: God willing if you are given the opportunity to study the origional language of the Torah and Gospel you would come to know how much we share and maybe then you would not feel the following: “Simply because I do not believe in anything the Muslims believe in.”
My comment: I could study a million books, and still it would not compare to the Glory of Jesus Christ. He is real, he hears my prayers, and he is coming soon.
And yes I believe in the second coming of Christ, but you believe in someone entirely different, and that someone isn’t Jesus.
I will pray Abu, that Christ touches your heart. God Bless you.
Dear all readers.
Shalom.
The coming of the Islamic “Jesus” and Jesus of the Bible will be two different events. The first who “comes back”, will be an anti-Messiah. That is a false Messiah, still claiming to be the Messiah.
This false Messiah will come to Jerusalem, under the pretext of bringing peace to Israel, and the Middle East. This will be the very final trap for the Jewish people. Do not follow this man. In the Koran He is explained to be Isa.
The true Messiah Jesus of Nazareth will come back in the clouds of Heaven, to collect all who believe in Him. He will come to Jerusalem, and finish off the false Messiah, and all who have followed the copy-cat. This will be the final battle between good and evil, right and wrong, lies and the truth. All who have chosen to believe in lies and falsehood, like that there is no God the Father and no God the Son, will perish.
Please chose wisely. Do not end up following a copy cat. Get your self a Bible. Open it, read it, and believe in the Word of God.
I know many Muslims wants to continue, but I am the editor. I want to put the brake on this debate for some time. Please read this message, and put it in your heart.
Dear all believers of Muhammad.
This is a comment by a Muslim, who claim to know “allah”.
Now you judge for your self, if this is the way to debate in a public fora.
OH U CRISTAINS, WHY U CALL URSELF CRISTAINS? DID JESUS PBUH SAID THAT? NO! Hahah U ARE FREE U LL GO TO HEAVEN COZ JESUS DIED FOR U BASTEREDS! Y U DNT START PROSTITUITION- JUST SEX- MURDER- KILLING- WELL U R DOING THAT IN IRAQ- AFGHANISTAN ! GOOD . U R FREE.WOOOOW IF UR POP BANEDICT WANK SO IS THERE ANY SHAME????
hahahah, fuck u bastereds. You just fucking write the whole bible straitaway, you dnt fucking know wt the fuck u r talking about, only becoz of u fucking bastereds n bitches the whole poor cristains r destroyed. If you say i was sleeping fucking 8 hrs last night, and then u write in the diary that i slept 6 hrs last night, so is there any fucking difference r not? Offcourse yes, so whatever jesus said it was not like that , ur so called bible who wrote it that mother fucker was drunk. Fuck u all bastered, block me i m not coming back. U fucking ashtray people. PLEASE DEAR CRISTAIN BROTHER N SISTER I SWEAR OF GOD JESUS IS NOT GOD. IF HE WAS GOD Y HE CRYIED TO GOD B4 CRUSEFICTION.GOD IS ONLY ONE NOT THREE. EMAIL ME AND I LL GIVE U VERY GOOD BOOK WHERE U LL FIND 100% PROOF FROM UR BIBLE IS NOT THE BOOK OF GOD. TRUST ME
TO ALL BROTHERS AND SISTERS ISLAM :
I FEEL ASHAMED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE CLAIMING THEY ARE MUSLIMS BUT THEY ARGUED, INSULTED AND DEBATED OTHER SECTS WITHOUT THE ADHERENCE TO WHAT THE HOLY QUR-AN SAID:
The Qur’an in chapter 16, verse 125 exhorts the Muslims:
“Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the best way. Lo! Thy Lord is best aware of him who strays from His way, and He is
best aware of those who go aright.”
IT IS NOT PERMITTED FOR US TO BE SARCASTIC AND MUCH MORE,(IF YOU REALLY LOVE AND FEAR ALLAH AND FOLLOW HIM) TO DISCUSS ABOUT RELIGION IF YOU BASED IT IN YOUR OWN OPINION, WITHOUT THE QUR-AN AND HADEETH OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD AS BASES, AND INSULT OTHERS WHO ARE IN THE OTHER SECTS.YOU WOULD BE LIABLE TO ALLAH FOR ANY DEED YOU COMMIT.REMEMBER, GOD GUIDES WHOMEVER HE GUIDES AND LIKEWISE, HE MISGUIDES WHO HE DID’NT GUIDE).
WE ARE ALL OBLIGED TO SHARE ISLAM IN MOST POLITE/AND IN GOOD APPROACH. REMEMBER, WE ARE CONVERTS AND PEOPLE WHO CONVINCED US ABOUT THE TRUTH WERE REALLY REAL EPITOMES OF ISLAM. YOU CAN SENSE TO THEM THE REAL TEACHINGS OF ISLAM. LET US ALL SEEK THE KNOWLEDGE (OBLIGATORY ACTIVITY), ACT, ACT, AND ACT ON IT. PLEASE RESPECT BECAUSE RESPECT BEGETS RESPECT.
ISLAM TEACHES US PATIENCE. PROPHET SAW SAYS THE BRAVEST MAN IS (NOT THE WARRIOR) BUT THE ONE WHO CAN HOLD HIS TEMPER AT THE HEIGHT OF HIS ANGER. PATIENCE IS REWARDABLE.
WHY NOT BUILD BROTHERHOOD WITH THEM, PULL TOGETHER OUR SIMILARITIES, SOLVE COMMON PROBLEMS AND RESPECT OUR DIFFERENCES…BUT WE CAN SHARE OUR BELIEFS IN A VERY NICE WAY.
APOLOGIZE ME, BUT WE CANNOT APPRECIATE THOSE PEOPLE WHO BOMBARDED BAD WORDS AND WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE. CORRECT ME, THAT IS NOT THE TEACHING OF ISLAM. LET US SHOW THE REAL MESSAGE OF ISLAM. LET US PRACTICE WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT ISLAM SO PEACE, HARMONY AND BROTHERHOOD REIGN WITH OUR BROTHER CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS.
WE SHOULD CONDEMN THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE IRRESPONSIBLE, BE IT WITH RELIGION ISLAM OR OTHER SECTS IF THEY ACTED IRRESPONSIBLY.
GOD REWARDS US BASED ON OUR NIYYAT (INTENTION) AND WE ALL DO THIS FOR GOD ALONE..
PLEASE BE PROFESSIONAL AND BE RESPECTFUL. THANKS AND MAY ALLAH GUIDE AND BLESS US ALL TO THE RIGHT PATH.INSHALLAH (GODWILLING).
Dear Iver
Your question on referring to God as my mother.
Firstly the “Father” in The Father is not literal, it is not daddy. This has ben discussed by Rabbis even.
So from the Torah and the Hebrew understanding of the term “The Father”, you cannot compare it to “my mother” Theres no need for me to say more than this really.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
You ducked the question. Anyhow.
If we do not have a literal Father in Heaven, than we do not have a literal Son either. And if everything is permissible, that God is just a power, energy, or you name if.
When Jesus says I have a Father i Heaven, I believe it. God the Father is real. No Muslim, no “allah” will ever be able to change that.
The Koran do not mention God as Father at all. That is why I believe the Koran does not tell us the truth. Neither about God the Father, nor about God the Son.
And if the Koran does not tell the truth, we better warn people not to believe what is written in that book.
Dear all readers.
God the Father is real. God the Son is real.
Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Believe in Jesus. And you shall be saved.
Dear Iver
On the contrary your statement:
If we do not have a literal Father in Heaven, than we do have a literal Son either.
Exactly, there is no literal son either according to Jews and Muslims. It goes against the Oneness of God that Jews and Muslims hold on to. This is pure monotheism.
This is why the christian belief that Christ is a God is an anomoly in the Abrahamic tradition, according to the Noahide Laws and since the time of Adam(as), all of which maintain the Oneness of God, that he is unlimited and so exists outside of His creation.
Dear Abu hafs.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Exactly, there is no literal son either according to Jews and Muslims. It goes against the Oneness of God that Jews and Muslims hold on to.
My reply:
I think we have been able to make it obvious that Jesus of the Bible and the “Jesus” of the Koran are two different “jesus’es”. I have chosen to believe in Jesus of the Bible.
In regards to the Jews, there are may different views of how we best can explain God. But they all wait for a man God, called the Messiah. Someone sent from Heaven, to rescue the Jews from their enemies.
The worst of them all, is a the god of the terrorists, who kill Jews in the name of “allah”. During our last days of debate, you have not even once renounced violence.
The son of Hamas has come to faith in Jesus as God. He calls the god of the Muslims, a terrorist god. This god is “allah”.
Please read the testimony of Mosab Hassan Yousef.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/hamas-son-islam-is-a-religion-that-teaches-people-to-kill/
God says in the Torah
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
[My comment: Whether Isa(as) be in the heaven above or the earth below you shall bow down to him or worship him. But we love him dearly]
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
God says in the Quran
Surah Ikhlas (Holy Qur’an 112:1-4):
Say: He is God, the One and Only! God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him.
The Torah and the Quran are in agreement.
Abu hafs.
Shalom.
You misguide our readers, and do not quot the Torah correctly.
Genesis 1: 26.
Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Now: Who is this “us” that God the Father is taking to, His co-creator?
I guess the eternal God the Son, Jesus from Nazareth.
There are Jews who believe in Jesus. So your use of the word “Jews” is another falsehood. Even during the days Jesus walked on Earth, there were thousands of Jews who believed in Him. Like Thomas they said to Him: ” My Lord and my God”.
TO BRO IVARfjeld:
In the name of Allah (Al-The,Lah-God), the Most Gracious, the Merciful.
…Sorry for my long answer..Maybe because I have pasted some quotations from our Holy Qur-an.
Logically speaking, Prophet Muhammad was the seal of all the Prophets of God. Knowingly, he was with Arabs but that did not mean he has to serve them (the Arabs alone) since the message from God is for all.
Thus, though written in Arabic, mostly of the words in Arabic can be translated to other languages but (what I mean was) there are letters in Qur-an that only Allah alone knows just like in its Sura Al-BAqarah (The Cow)1.Alif-Lam-Mim.(These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur-an and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings). Hope I have answered your last question sir.
and pls forgive me if you just open your mind about religion Islam,I wish to share to you the story of former Baptist Minister Skip Estes ( a known anti-Islam and Anti Muslim before just like us) at http://www.islamicbulletin.org/services/new_muslims/yusuf.htm
May God bless and guide us to the right path and make heavens as our final destination.InshaAllah (Godwilling).
SINCERE REGRETS FOR MY LONG RESPONSE AGAIN.
Dear Aldrin.
Shalom.
You wrote:
(what I mean was) there are letters in Qur-an that only Allah alone knows just like in its Sura Al-BAqarah.
My reply:
I try to learn more about the Koran, and what Muslims believe in. It is very strange to me that a man would be able to write down a message, that only “allah” will be able to understand. I can promise you, that when you pick up a Bible, you will be able to get the full message.
I wounder, and its really puzzles me, how Muhammad was able to receive a not understandable message?
Abu,
Now I have a ? for you.
The bible says: in Acts 2:17 “In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.”
And this was an earlier statement I posted above: I have been in the presence of Christ, and there are no words to explain the love and perfection I felt. In that moment, I wanted to be with him completely and always.
So I have seen the Glory of God with my own two eyes (Thank you Jesus!) and in a seperate incident I have seen what awaits those in hell who do not accept Christ.
With my own two eyes, Abu. My question to you is? What do you have to lose in opening your heart to Christ and reading his Holy Word? Seek him and you shall see and feel him. Matthew 7:7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.”
I already stopped giving comments this Qur’an Burning Issue but still people are sending me articles like this.
Bible Errors and Contradictions – P. Wesley Edwards
(updated 1-Sept-2004)
Bible debates, perhaps more than any other debate topic, can become lost in endless details of interpretation and subtle questions of translation. It can easily seem that to get into the debate at all requires one to be a Biblical scholar. Fortunately, this is not the case, particularly when dealing with fundamentalists who claim that the Bible is free of error and contradiction.
(shortened by the editor)
Dear casser amerol
This is not a place to publish a lexicon. This is a comment filed, for short comments. Please write short comments. When ever you have a question, there are a few capable Christians who use this site to give good answers.
Nice points from Wesley Edwards. Thank you
So much hate and confusion and for what?
Comparing Jesus to Mohammad is silly considering Jesus stated the only way to eternal life is through him. Father, Son, Holy spirit are one. Jesus also stated he will himself return in the flesh.
Mohammad is a prophet and he never stated he was the son of God he also never said he will return.
The bible is very accurate regarding past prophecy and I would take a look at the world events we have happening at the moment.. Isiah 17:1, Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38,39 looking like happening very soon.
Daniel, John and other areas in the bible talk about the revived roman empire being the last empire before the return of Jesus (European Union). Says the Antichrist will be in charge of 10 nations (Western EU).
A seven year covenant will be placed on Israel and many nations and midpoint in that peace deal will start the great tribulation. Well check out the ENPI (European neighborhood policy) 7 year peace agreement with Israel and most countries around it including the EU. There will be a world currency which is getting set up and that’s no secret. A world religion (alliance of civilizations a UN initiative). And a world government and we all know they want a New World Order.
The bible says in the end days before the 2nd coming of Christ will be a big increase in natural and cosmic disasters and there is.
The mark of the beast will more than likely be a gps implantable microchip on your right hand or forehead.
The USA and is setting up FEMA camps all over America and for what? All the fluoride, mercury, Aspartame (NutraSweet),Corn syrup and other additives they put in our food and for what?
You all need to be friendly and happy instead of fighting with each other because if you look around the world is turning slowly into something that none of us will want to live in. The hate between people is exactly what Jesus said will happen.
Take religion out of the debate for a sec and realize the bankers, IMF, Trilateral Commission, Builder berg group and others all will be controlling everyone and everything anyway via chipping people and monitoring everyone and everything, Just check out ubiquitous computing and realize we wont be able to go to the toilet literally without big brother knowing. This whole system is getting set up for the Antichrist and False Prophet.
I pray out of all the events that can happen Jesus returns.
On the point of sin, Jesus did die for our sins and people don’t need to sacrifice animals anymore. He knows Christians will sin due to the fact Satan and his demons are tempting everyone all the time whether its with pride, Ego, Greed or whatever. Jesus knows if Satan wasn’t there then we wouldn’t sin because there would be no reason too. We are all born sinners and are condemned to hell hence why we need to accept Jesus and he will forgive us all. Remember before Eve took the apple there wasn’t any of this hate, anger, despair and so on and that’s what it will be like again for the people who really want it.
Dear Kedo.
Shalom, and thanks for a very good and reflective comment.
You wrote:
The mark of the beast will more than likely be a gps implantable microchip on your right hand or forehead.
My reply:
The mark of the beast will have something do do with buying and selling. So I guess they will implant your credit card on your forehead?
Today, this “card” in the form of a micro chip is available. This device will also include a GPS, so that the last anti-Messiah and his army and followers also will know your whereabouts all the time.
Hello ivarfjeld,
Credit cards are too easily lost or you can leave it at home or give it to a friend. But a implant is a perfect system for world dictator.
THis is mexico 2004:
Mexico’s attorney general and 160 people in his office have had microchips implanted under their skin as a way of giving them security access.
There is heaps of videos on you tube regarding the size of chips now days. They have Nano chips now that are so small you cant even see them. People will get chipped no worries due to security. Human implants will be “trendy” There is places around the world that have been testing this out for years, Check out the Baja Beach Night Club..
“The nightclub has now turned Tuesday nights into Implant Night where guests can be chipped in between drinking and dancing,” Annanova reports. Applied Digital Solutions (ADS) reckons the tiny gadget – “about the size of a grain of rice” – could even replace credit cards in the future or be used to store medical or security data.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/19/veripay/
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Rev 13:16-18)
This is the company that makes human implantable chips:
http://www.positiveidcorp.com/
General News:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/14/radio-frequency-rfid-implant/?test=faces
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ON another note which i forgot to mention before according to the bible sacrifice and grain offering will be ceased just before the great tribulation ( last 3.5 years before the return of Jesus) and of course in the ENPI there is a clause Europe has put in..
An “Action Plan on the Protection and Welfare of Animals” also was adopted in 2006. Certain reviews and evaluations, including those pertaining to “planned specific actions to improve the protection and welfare of animals,” are to take place in the middle of that seven-year period (2010)
http://ec.europa.eu/food/animal/welfare/actionplan/actionplan_en.htm
EU will use this law to ban Kosher and Halal eventually.
http://halalfocus.net/2009/02/08/uk-news-eu-ban-on-inhumane-halal-and-kosher-meat/
A few countries including New Zealand have already banned KOsher meat. THey require animals to be stunned prior to slaughter and that is against Jewish and Moslem tradition.
While people are arguing the Oligarchy of the world will keep taking all our rights away under your feet and by the time you all wake up it will be sadly way too late.
Dear Kedo.
Shalom, and thanks for this information.
The good news, is that mark of the beast, can easily be avoided. Please do not let anybody touch or implant anything on your forehead. Than you are safe.
Do not let anyone implant any electronic devise into your hand or forehead. Never.
Please write short messages.
Hi ivarfjeld
Sorry for the long posts, the sad part about all of this is so many people including followers of Christ will be blinded and unfortunately get the mark when it does come.
I pray for them.
Can any one tell me what the heck this is all about???..i mean what outcome are u peoples expecting from saying this and that???…just lets keep in mind what we are looking for when we talk about such issues…are we looking for the truth or are we defending our religion???
@ ivarfjeld
FYI Muhammed(PBUH) does not need to pay anything to save us, because we Muslims believe that everybody is responsible to his own actions and will be judged only by Allah on that day.Mercy is from Allah, who does not need to die to save us; who does not need to be human to teach us;who does not need to be crucified to forgive us and the one who is not 1+1+1=1 But one and only the creators of the heavens and earth and of Adam,Abraham, Jacob,Moses,Joseph, Jesus and Muhammad( Peace be up on them all)…and of all mankind.
who created Adam from mud,and eve from adam(man) and Jesus from Virgin Marry(Woman)and us from our fathers and mothers ( man+woman)…
ck this out:
http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=guest&id=9
stay blessed!!
hi glory, you said people are forced to convert to islam
Please i can explain but it ll be too long, so please for jesus sake watch this vedio on youtube, were people forced to convert to islam? Its a old man with white cap. Second question, what bible say about people who has children before marriage, i mean what holy bible say about bastered? This question has been ask by khan but you didn’t answer. So please explain from your mind, don’t write the bible quotation, coz i dont believe even on bible’s one word. Thanks
Love Muhammad,
I don’t believe Khan asked me a question about children who were born outside of marriage. I don’t see the question at all. He used the word “bastard” to insult us, but obviously didn’t have the frame of mind to use the word in an appropriate question.
I believe in Jesus Christ as you know and I use his word for reference because it is the truth.
Sex before marriage is a sin: The bible says in Hebrews 13:4: Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
The word “bastard” occurs only three times in the Bible: Deuteronomy 23:2; Zechariah 9:6; and Hebrews 12:8.
A “bastard” in the Old Testament means a child born of an Israelite father and a non-Israelite mother.
The Old Testament also says: Children are a gift from God. “Behold, children are a heritage from the LORD, the fruit of the womb a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one’s youth. Blessed is the man who fills his quiver with them! He shall not be put to shame when he speaks with his enemies in the gate.” (Psalms 127:3-5 ESV)
The new testament says: (Children Pray and Worship God)(Matthew 21:15-16 ESV) But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David!” they were indignant, and they said to him, “Do you hear what these are saying?” And Jesus said to them, “Yes; have you never read, “‘Out of the mouth of infants and nursing babies you have prepared praise’?”
Children are also examples Of Humble Faith In Jesus
(Matthew 18:2-6 ESV) And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
I hope this answers what you are looking for.
God Bless.
Luke 16:18 “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.”
My question here is: Would an adulterer in the New Testament be put to death?
Keep in mind that when Jesus gave the above laws, he gave them during the time when he spoke highly of the Old Testament’s Law:
Question to Christians:
I noticed here by living in the US, that more than 50 per cent of the population is divorced. People divorce each others, and marry other people and still attend Churches and consider themselves Christians.
My question to those people is: Aren’t you violating the laws of the Bible?
(edited, and made short).
Editor.
Dear Mr. “Love Muhammad”.
Shalom, and thanks for good questions. Please write short messages.
There is a very simple and easily understandable way to explain the relationship between the law, and the death and resurrection of Jesus the Messiah.
The Law is very much valid, and capital punishment is what we all deserve. But since Jesus has taken our capital punishment, non of us have to pay this price.
Jesus rebuked capital punishment, and brought and end to this kind of penalty. There are verses in the Bible about a lady who was caught in adultery, and deserved to be stoned. But Jesus rebuked the crowed, and saved her from death.
In this matter, I guess the Muslim World has something to learn from Jesus?
You are right, that 50 per cent of American marriages ends up in divorce. It is a tragedy, happening in America. But how many of them believe and obey Jesus?
so you are free from capital panishment? Thats great, hmmm THATS WHY YOUR PREAST ARE ……………….. HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD. but why the world is blaming them?????? They must not blame them coz its alowed by law, isnt it. WHAT IF YOU COME TONIGHT MY HOUSE WE CAN JUST HAVE NICE SEX, DONT WORRY THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT, HMMMMMM
Dear Mr. “Love Muhammad”
Shalom.
That Jesus have paid for my capital punishment, does not gives me the freedom to do whatever I like. I have to obey him. Like you will have to obey a Master.
Lets take a look at the Bible verses, where Jesus set this lady free from the capital punishment she deserved.
John 8: 3-12.
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.
In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
if you are free from capital panishment so why jesus said ADULTRES MUST BE PUT TO DEATH?
Mr. Muhammad,
You wrote: I noticed here by living in the US, that more than 50 per cent of the population is divorced. People divorce each others, and marry other people and still attend Churches and consider themselves Christians.
My Comment: Jesus Christ forgives all sin. And as to your last comment about people considering themselves Christian: Only Christ knows the true heart.
Your Comment: WHAT IF YOU COME TONIGHT MY HOUSE WE CAN JUST HAVE NICE SEX, DONT WORRY THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT, HMMMMMM
My Comment: I think your words are a bit crude and unnecessary. There are ways to speak with respect and at the same time getting your message across. And your comment about priests, is of the catholics. I am not catholic. I believe in Jesus Christ only.
You asked would an adulterer in the new testament be put to death.
I see no no bible verses supporting that question.
New Testament says verses like this: (Matthew 5:27-28) 27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’
28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
God Bless.
Khan,
By the way you worded your words, it did cross my mind that you were Khan.
And Yes, Kahn I am a true believer of Jesus Christ. I’ve accepted him completely.
God Bless you.
Khan,
I answered above that I am a true believer of Christ and that I’ve accepted him.
John 10;30 does say God and Jesus are one.
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
You are a disgrace for 1,2 billion Muslims. Yesterday I promised all believers of Muhammad to spam you, and never let you enter this site again. I will keep my promise.
Till I see some kind of remorse or regret for your filthy language, I will keep on spam you. Now you are warned.
Hi ivar,
I am a christian, i am watching your’s, glory, and khan conversation. I go to church every sunday but honestly i never knew till now what khan just said( fasification test), i also saw that when are not able to give answer of his/her question you just delete his/her messeges, like he ask (n my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well. (Mark 16:17-18)
CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS? CAN YOU DRINK DEADLY PIOSON?
Honestly not me
Its shocking…….
Dear Majid.Kolarova.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Khan has been expressing him self with horrible filthy language. He will be pardoned, if He repent. I have spam another message of him, where He asks if He has done something wrong.
Lets take a deeper look at the verse, where Jesus speaks about poison.
Mark 16:17-19
And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.
(end of scriptures)
Jesus is not asking us to test God, if this is the truth. So please do not empty your depot of household acid. But there are Christian witnesses that have come forward and told, they have been forced to drink poison by attackers, and have escaped unharmed. I believe such stories.
I have never ran after cobras, with or without a knife. And I will not do it. But if anyone would force me to renounce Jesus, I would rather pick up a snake.
To True,
Forgive me if I’m wrong, but as I read your messages you sound alot like Khan. If you are Khan, how is it that you keep coming online, asking questions, wanting answers, but offer no apology to the way you speak with such filthy language?
Dear Gloria.
Shalom
Majid (True.Christ) is a strange name for someone who goes to Church “every sunday”, but never have come across these verses of the Bible. Anyhow, they want to know more of the Bible, and we will answer them to the glory of Jesus the Messiah.
The spam from Khan was there for 5 second. Strange that this person who came online saw it, and read it so fast.
I think its right to spam this person also, and see if there is any repentance down the pipeline.
You are right Ivar.
Advice Regarding Seeking the Truth
May I suggest to the seeker of truth do the following NINE STEPS to purification of the mind:
1. Clean their mind, their heart and their soul real good.
2. Clear away all the prejudices and biases.
3. Read a good translation of the meaning of the Holy Quran in a language that they can understand best.
4. Take some time.
5. Read and reflect.
6. Think and pray.
7. And keep on asking the One who created you in the first place, to guide you to the truth.
8. Keep this up for a few months. And be regular in it.
9. Above all, do not let others who are poisoned in their thinking influence you while your are in this state of “rebirth of the soul.”
To Admins,
Whoever u are,ur motive Appear Doubtful coz ur denying all historical fact and giving reference of all Myth.You are not adminstrating the threat properly.You have not answered my question with any references instead u guys diverted the issue to forced conversion ,the reality of which is known to everyone.
i wish that we could have talked face to face coz then i could have known ur intentions clearly.Whatever is your Aim all i can say is that may Allah (S.W.T)Bless u with Hidayah and saves u from Hell fire.U seams to have incomplete knowledge of IS`A/Jesus (A.S),none of your refrences are historical they all are based on one or the other pastor or saint,about whom thr are many a doubts among christianity.i don`t want anybody to further comment on this coz again threat will not serve its purpose.Dear Gloria u used a word Trinity-let me tell u that trinity is not the word of any heavenly book it was coined much later.
Allah(S.W.T) Knows Best
May Allah (S.W.T) Bless You
Mohammed Tohaa
Shalom, and thanks for this comment.
You wrote:
Dear Gloria u used a word Trinity-let me tell u that trinity is not the word of any heavenly book it was coined much later.
My reply:
If you do not mind, I will answer on behalf of my Sister Gloria. I do not know when she will be online, to give good answers to all of us.
Luke 3:22
and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”
(end of scriptures)
This is the verse where Father God speaks about His Son, and the Holy Spirit comes in the form of a dove. Three in One. The same God. Beautiful.
Might I add that Isaiah 43:10 says:
“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD, “And My servant whom I have chosen, In order that you may know and believe Me, And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.”
To,
Admin.
Again u both are answering on topics away from threat .y r u deviating.i don`t want to know abt trinity because its historical word that was included in ur religious scripture by roman King.To telll u Truth, My dear fellow Human being(Christian) U r not even following or try to follow what Jesus did and followed unlike Muslims who tried to spend their life as per guidance by prophet Mohammed(S.A.W) and his companion.
You have forced me to ignore further comment coz of ur irresponsible behaviour.
With Best Wishes And Regards
Dear Muhammad Tohaa
Shalom.
You wrote:
You have forced me to ignore further comment coz of ur irresponsible behaviour.
My reply:
There was no force involved in you reading this message. I have only quoted from one Bible verse, where Father, Son and Holy Spirit is mentioned in the same verse. The very trinity.
You are a free man. You are more than welcomed to ignore my statement that the truth about God is found in the Bible. Only. But you will also have to face the eternal consequences of rejecting the truth.
My dear brother and sister around the world,
we have our own faith, we can’t judge which one is true or false. So many issues that we heard from media, peoples, website. But the question is, do we really know the truth about that issue?
No one knows! We have our own perspective, we judge easily, but we never ever know the truth.
So please, respect each other religion. Every religion always teaches all good things.
We all have ONE GOD, but we say (GOD) with different faith.
Hugs for you all my brother and sister. Lets spread the love. Lets we hate “terrorist” not the religion.
I do have my own faith, but this is my own faith, I don’t wanna argue with you all in here to tell that my religion is true. Because we live together and we’re all different. Differences are beautiful. Just believe your own faith, and respect each other 🙂
hello ivar,
This is khan again, the reason i came back is, i like conversation about religion. look what ever i said honestly sorry abt that i shouldn’t have said that. I promise i ll never use filty language again, plz allow me. I would like to have a chat. Thxxx
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
Jesus was asked by his students, how many times we have to forgive those who sin against us. The reply was: 70X7. Unlimited grace, endless love, always willing to forgive and move on.
You are forgiven, my dear Muslim friend.
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
You might have noticed that true Christians never say bad things about Muslims. We only ask questions about Islam, and we like to share our faith in Jesus. In regards to Muhammad, I also ask questions. I want to learn more. I also feel that Muslims have a lot to learn from the Bible, and sober conversations about the scriptures. Lets therefor not insult each other, but try to understand each others point of view.
you wroteivarfjeld says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Dear all our Muslims friends.
Shalom.
On of the challenges with Islam, is that there was no Koran before 630 A.D.
How could Arabs get saved before Muhammad showed them the way?
The Arabs in Mecca was Moon good worshipers. They has an idol for each day, and Muhammad removed them all but one.
Have you read about the black stone in Mecca?
Please read this message.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/bible-studies-42-muslims-worship-a-black-stone-in-mecca-fallen-from-the-moon/
our reply;
First thing i would like to tell you that you are not the one who talk about love, but you are there to spread HATE. If you were there to spread love so first of all you would remove the pic and the sentence ( This is a book of hate, not a book of love,)
second thing.
you wrote ivarfjeld says:
September 17, 2010 at 7:03 pm
Dear all our Muslims friends.
Shalom.
On of the challenges with Islam, is that there was no Koran before 630 A.D.
How could Arabs get saved before Muhammad showed them the way?
The Arabs in Mecca was Moon good worshipers. They has an idol for each day, and Muhammad removed them all but one.
Have you read about the black stone in Mecca?
Please read this message.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/bible-studies-42-muslims-worship-a-black-stone-in-mecca-fallen-from-the-moon/
my reply. you have no knowledge about that i can see it. we dont worship the stone we just kiss it BECAUSE our prophet muhammed pbuh had kissed it. and we just fullfilling his sunnah
Dear Khan.
Shalom, and tanks for re-publishing my replies, and my questions in regards to the black stone i Mecca.
You wrote:
you have no knowledge about that i can see it. we dont worship the stone we just kiss it BECAUSE our prophet muhammed pbuh had kissed it. and we just fullfilling his sunnah.
My reply:
If the Pope kisses a car, and claims the car takes away sins of men, should all Catholics do so?
When you bow down and kiss a dead, lifeless thing, and call it holy, its is an act of making worthy something that is not worthy of such an act. The right name for such acts is ” Worth ship”. The Bible says stone and wood are not Holy, and not at all worthy objects of such sinful reverence.
A stone is a created thing. The Bible says “worth ship” only the Creator God.
another thing you said WHY PROPHET MARRIED A 6 YEARS OLD GIRL. well you know very well about the fact, btu you just cheating your own soul.
why BECAUSE
The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons: 1 To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
2 To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
3 To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.
READ FULL ARTICAL. http://www.themodernreligion.com/prophet/prophet_aisha.htm
Khan,
No matter what religion: marrying a young girl is never acceptable.
God Bless.
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
In the Christian faith,, the very purpose of a marriage, is not to “educate” a woman. It is a man who shall leave His mother and father, and unite with His wife. They shall become One flesh. Only one wife is permitted.
If Muhammad married women to educate them, why did he stop with 11 wife’s? He could have thousands in this marriage school of Islam.
haha, you wrote In the Christian faith…………….,Only one wife is permitted.
yes In the Christian faith, but not Muslim faith and one wife, hm i can see it here in Europe, not even one wife, but 10, 20 girlfriends, what is better, wives or girlfriends with whom you sleep one night and then through her on the street.
he didn’t marry for sexual pleasure,
It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as hand maidens) and Allah doth watch over all things “. [Al-Qur’an 33:52]
The Prophet (pbuh) was allowed to keep all his previous wives because no one was allowed to marry the Prophet’s wives (ra) after they were divorced or widowed as they were ummul-momineen (mother of the believers).
People falsely accuse the Prophet (pbuh) of being hypersexual (Maaz-Allah), because he had eleven wives. If you read the life history of the Prophet (pbuh), only two of his marriages one with Khadija (ra), and the other, with Ayesha (ra) were marriages in the normal course. All his other marriages were contracted as a necessity and were based on various considerations
Reasons for the Prophet’s Marriages
We can categorize all his marriages under two aspects of his personality:
– Muhammad the man who needed a loving wife, children, and a stable home, so he married Khadijah and remained with only her for 20 years until she died.
– Muhammad the Prophet who married the other wives for reasons pertaining to his duty to deliver the Message to the world. Those particular women were carefully selected, not just haphazardly “acquired” for carnal reasons, as suggested. Here are some of the reasons for which Muhammad married:
1. To pass on Islam to the next generations as a practical legacy
Prophet Muhammad is the only prophet without any privacy, and with a meticulously preserved tradition in speech and actions in all minute details of his public and private life. Preserved in the sharp minds of his wives and his Companions, those narrations comprise the “daily life manual” for Muslims to follow until the end of time. The fact that Islam was spread on the shoulders of women and preserved in their hearts is a great honor to the females of this Ummah. The books of authentic Hadith attribute more than 3,000 narrations and Prophetic traditions to his wives alone.
2. To cement the relations of the budding nation
In a tribal society, it was customary to seal treaties through marrying into tribes. Muhammad’s closest Companions later became the four caliphs who led Islam at the critical stage after his death. Two of them were the fathers of his wives `A’ishah (daughter of Abu Bakr) and Hafsa (daughter of `Umar); the other two married his daughters (`Uthman married Ruqayyah and Zainab in succession, and `Ali married Fatimah).
3. To teach Muslims compassion with women
He taught them to be compassionate not just to the young and beautiful maidens, but more so to the weak and destitute widows, divorcees, orphans, and elderly women. Islam teaches that women are to be respected, protected, and cared for by their men folk. They’re not to be cast out to face a harsh life alone while able men around them just pity them and do nothing to help, or worse, use their weakness to take them as mistresses!
4. To offer a practical role model to Muslims until the end of time
Although many believing women often approached Muhammad offering him themselves in marriage, he politely turned down their offers. Most of his wives after the death of Khadijah were old, devoid of beauty, and previously married, except `A’ishah, who was the only young virgin. He married from other nations and religions; some were the daughters of his worst enemies, and his marriage to one woman won all her people into Islam. Regardless of his neutral feelings towards many of them, he was a model example of equal justice and kindness to them all, and he would never discriminate among them.
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
You wrote:
haha, you wrote In the Christian faith…………….,Only one wife is permitted.
yes In the Christian faith, but not Muslim faith and one wife, hm i can see it here in Europe, not even one wife, but 10, 20 girlfriends, what is better, wives or girlfriends with whom you sleep one night and then through her on the street. he didn’t marry for sexual pleasure.
My reply:
Again you are doing the same mistake. You are justifying you anger towards men who claim to be Christians. That is not fair to Jesus of the Bible. If we are going to look into the topic of faith in Jesus, please look at his teachings. Likewise at His character and his way of life.
When I question Muhammad, I do not base my questions up on what Muslims are doing or not.
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
In regards to Muhammad having 11 wife’s and setting an example for Muslim men:
There are more problems with this example. It creates a shortage of women ready for marriage. This is simple mathematics. Sharia Law that permit a man to have four wife’s. Such laws creates more problems than they solve. When a man takes even two wife’s, another man will have to stay unmarried.
you said, There are more problems ………… stay unmarried.
my reply
In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a couple of centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (1 Timothy 3:2 ) what is this??
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. (1 Timothy 3:12)what is this?//
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. (Titus 1:6)what is this?
Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had 2 wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives.
He had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray. As Solomon grew old, his wives turned his heart after other gods, and his heart was not fully devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been. (1 Kings 11:3-4)
WHAT IS THIS?// REMEMBER Qur’an is the only religious scripture in the world that says “marry only one” Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book INCLUDIGN UR BIBLE that instructs men to have only one wife.
ur reply,
If the pope………
My reply, plzz use ur mind sm time. I said we or muhammad pbuh did, do not kiss for removing sins, even kissing macca cant remove sin, its just we follow our prophet sunnah. Praying to macca doesnt mean that we pray to macca instead ALLAH, we pray coz its a simble of unity.
2nd,, plzz remove the shit from ur mind about muhammad pbuh, like we love jesus i swear more than u.
To gloria. She was young i believe, BUT, BUT, BUT she was in the age of poberty, i can write a very long, biological, scientific, doctorine lecture about poberty that when poberty come in girl, but its better for u to check by urself on the net. Prophet muhammad marriade her in the age of sex but was allow in his house in 9 yrs,
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
You wrote:
2nd,, plzz remove the shit from ur mind about muhammad pbuh, like we love jesus i swear more than u.
My reply:
I have not used filthy language against you. Neither have I used filthy language against Muhammad. I have only questioned about Sharia Law, that permits Muslims to have multiple wife’s, Either Muhammad had sex with all His 11 wife’s or not, Is not of my concern. But it is my concern, that such Islamic practices results in a shortage of wife’s in the Middle East.
I do not want such laws in Europe, to create the same problems over here.
Please answer my question:
Is not Jesus a better teacher than Muhammad, since Jesus did not permit a man to have more than one wife? Yes, or no.
gloria soory for long reply, if u can so check by urself. Why and whom prophet muhammad married ?
Good Morning Khan,
You wrote: To gloria. She was young i believe, BUT, BUT, BUT she was in the age of poberty, i can write a very long, biological, scientific, doctorine lecture about poberty that when poberty come in girl, but its better for u to check by urself on the net. Prophet muhammad marriade her in the age of sex but was allow in his house in 9 yrs,
My Comment: I have a daughter as well as a son. My daughter is very young. It is just common knowledge if you care about your kids, that you want to keep them safe. There are laws in place for that now, but I tell you if there weren’t laws, my daughter would never be married at 6, 9 years at any age where she cannot make the decision for herself (she is underage.
Hi,
Well b4 u had a problem with her age, poberty, and i have explained that. You are clever and i believe you understand that, but u want to be in the dark so not we but only ALLAH can help you. These are other thing which need to talk later.
Lets talk smtng different.
What do you say about the light of the sun and the moon??
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
I am not ready to end the debate about your support for a man having multiple wife’s.
You have to understand that the Bible only permits a man to have one wife. That the Jewish patriark’s had more wife’s made them sinners, in need of salvation. Jews who repented and followed God’s instructions were saved even before Jesus took on Flesh, and came from Heaven to Earth to save mankind from their life of sin.
When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the penalty that all Jews deserved, and also all Arabs like you, living in the UK. The blood of Jesus replaced the Temple blood, once and for all. Only by this blood sins are washed away. Even Muhammad could not get saved, is he did not make Jesus His master. Only Jesus can save. Only Jesus saves.
well this is very long debate i can`t write the full explaination, but how one man can have one wife when women are outnumber men?
Men are more than women on the whole earth. check it by urself, if for example in london there are 7 million people 3m men and 4m women ok 3m men will marry 3 m women, but where do u wanna send the rest 1 million? To SOHO?? well with them there is only 1 option either marry a married man or go to SOHO. we don`t want them to go to SOHO, what will u do with them???
DON`T TELL ME THAT POPULATION ARE SAME PLZZZ.
Khan,
Actually there is only a slight outnumbering of men to women. BUT if you read the bible (Holy Word of God) it says:
Matthew 19:4-6
4″Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,'[a] 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'[b]? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
So the “outnumbering” issue is no excuse, and neither is it an excuse for women to agree to polygamy.
I’ve been reading about the questions and comments about so many people here. Most people seem to forget what the issue is. A man tried to upset billions of people by burning the Quran and he has managed to do just that. Like other people said, he is a mean person who is trying to create hatred(for whatever reason). There are good and bad Muslims just like there are good and bad christians. My point is that there are good and bad people. Leave religion aside. Try to live and peace and harmony, whatever your religion. You leave my religion alone, and I’ll leave yours alone. Simple. Have a good day everyone.
Dear Anna.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
The question was: – Is it correct to burn a Koran?
My answer: No, absolutely not. All Christians should read the Koran, as see for them selves that there are 140 verses that promotes violence. Muhammad wants his followers to cripple and kill those who do not submit to his message.
How can we best live in “peace” with men who wants to harm us?
Please read this verse from the Koran, and explain to me:
[Sura 5:33]
«The just retribution for those who fight God (Allah) and His messenger (Muhammad), and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter».
don`t tell me that ur the so called bible is full of love. your bible is based on voilance, the voilance which u say in the quran is basically defensive. look at ur holy man mad bible,
Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them God says through the prophet Samuel, But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child and sheep, camel and donkey.
When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.
DO U WANT ME TO SEND YOU FULL LIST OF CRIME, MURDER, RAPE IN UR BIBLE, or u have already seen it. u know that dont u?? google it.
Good Afternoon Khan,
You come on Ivar’s blog and you state that you’d like to discuss/debate. But yet, I can’t help but detect how angry your words sound.
Your Comment: don`t tell me that ur the so called bible is full of love. your bible is based on voilance, the voilance which u say in the quran is basically defensive. look at ur holy man mad bible,
My Comment: Jesus Christ made the ultimate sacrifice when he died for our sins. Yes, the bible is filled with stories from the past, and alot were sinners, but God is holy and always will be.
I John 2:2) 2 And he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
Your Comment: amuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them God says through the prophet Samuel, But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child and sheep, camel and donkey.
My Comment: Instead of quoting bible scriptures only part way, indicate where the whole story of Saul can be found. The story of Saul is found in 1 Samuel, chapters 9-31.
Saul, his army, and a miracle from God, defeated the Philistines in their first battle. He then defeated Moab, Ammon, Edom, the kings of Zobah, and the Amalekites. However Saul did not obey the Lord, and kept some of the loot after defeating the Amalekites. For this, God rejected Saul as king of Israel. The Lord had Samuel anoint young David as the next king.
People who do not obey our King God, will have to answer to him. It is a fact and it is a truth.
God Bless.
May Allah’s strongest wrath descend on PASTOR OLD BOB and those involved in the DEVILISH ACT. Yours will be DISGRACE IN THIS EARTH and STRONGEST TORMENT OF HELL FIRE IN THE HEREAFTER (Amin). However, if you repent, Allah will forgive and accept you.
Dear Salihu.
Shalom.
You wrote:
May Allah’s strongest wrath descend on PASTOR OLD BOB and those involved in the DEVILISH ACT. Yours will be DISGRACE IN THIS EARTH and STRONGEST TORMENT OF HELL FIRE IN THE HEREAFTER (Amin). However, if you repent, Allah will forgive and accept you.
My reply:
I like the end of your message. Love is all about repentance and forgiveness. So please do not write than anyone “will be”, since it is not your job to curse and judged people. Jesus Son of God has paid for the sins of the World. Also unwise people who burn Bibles or Korans. He is the gate to Heaven, and the final judge.
Salihu,
Ivar is right. And may I direct you to this bible verse.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil. 2 Corinthians 5:10
I cannot but continue to rain SERIOUS CURSE on all the ENEMIES of ALLAH and HATERS of peace.
Dear Salihu
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
I cannot but continue to rain SERIOUS CURSE on all the ENEMIES of ALLAH and HATERS of peace.
My reply:
The Bible says that anyone who curse others, will get this curse back on his own head. Funny that your email-ID is “pacifist”. I will not allow you to bring curses on your self and your family in the name of any god. Your next comment will be spam. Now I have warned you in advance.
well its look like i m waisting my time here, and also look like u r completely different from the whole world. Slightly? But what ll u do with this slightly? Remember quran say, my explaination, marry only one n then 2 or3 or 4, this is exeception we must not marry 4.
I said the early cristain were pologamous, this is some centuries ago ur biships, preast edited ur so called bible, y king solomon had 100s wives, etc, etc.
Just tell me sun has own light n moon is reflecting it, ur bible say both has separate light, how?
Khan,
My Comment: I answered your question about what the bible says about marrying one wife. Please read Matthew 19 verses 4 through 6 where it says:
Matthew 19:4-6 “and the two will become one flesh’So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
More than one is polygamy.
Your Comment: I said the early cristain were pologamous, this is some centuries ago ur biships, preast edited ur so called bible, y king solomon had 100s wives, etc, etc.
My Comment: I think you confuse us with catholics again by saying priests. I believe in Jesus Christ ONLY, and I know that the writers of the Holy Bible were in direction of the Holy Spirit. That is what is says in God’s word.
You ask about King Solomon. And this is what it says in the OLD Testament. I will quote only a few verses since 1 Kings 11 is long:
1 Kings 11
1But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:
2Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
3And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.
4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.
5For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
6And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. (end of scripture.)
As you can see, King Solomon did evil in the sight of God and to read please more you can go to : http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%2011&version=KJV
You can also read about the Matthew 19: 1-12 for more on marriage.
And as to your last comment: Just tell me sun has own light n moon is reflecting it, ur bible say both has separate light, how?
I do not understand your question. God created all things, including the sun and moon.
Genesis Chapter 1 says: And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
I hope this answers all of your questions Khan. God Bless.
Only Allah can guide these people. The more they talk about the Quran and Muslims and Allah the more people will research and accept Islam as a true religion. Don’t worry Allah works in mysterious ways.
you said, and god made two great lights……. Stars also.
Two great lights?? Can u explain this? Sun has its own light and the moon reflect the light, so where is the second light??
Khan,
Your Comment: you said, and god made two great lights……. Stars also.
Two great lights?? Can u explain this? Sun has its own light and the moon reflect the light, so where is the second light??
My Comment: Genesis Chapter 1 verse 16 has your answer: 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. *end of scripture*
One Light was made to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. Day and night = two lights.
I am off for tonight. It is late here. If you have any further questions, I’ll answer them tomorrow.
God Bless.
i tnk u didnt read my question properly. I dnt need to read ur bible, can u explain me scientifically? Sun has its own light ok, even a 5 yrs old boy knows this, but the moon doesn’t have its own light, it reflect the light n science conferm this, me and the whole knows this. Dont copy just bible verses, explain me where is the 2nd light which ur god made?
Khan,
I answered your question properly. And yes you do need to read the bible. Christ made everything, from the universe, to the heavens, to sun, moon, stars.
You say scientists confirm that moon doesn’t have it’s own light? Well, guess what scientists are wrong. Because all Glory should be given to God who created all things.
God Bless.
Dear Gloria and Khan.
Shalom.
The debate about the sun and moon is not going to take you anywhere. Just accept it. During the day, the sun gives us light. During the night, the moon gives us light. And behold. There a billions of stars out in the Universe.
The Bible explains that God has put up to moon to give us light during the night. That the moon reflects the light of the Sun, dos not change this fact.
Jesus said: I am the light of the World. He also said that his followers shall shine among men. Not by our own light, but still shining. Reflecting His light. Amen.
Dear Brothers and Sisters
Hope you all are fine and in good health.
We all over here are trying to defend the faith which we follow and believe to be true. but we are not wise enough to judge the belief followed by others. Is there any one person available over here who says i know each and everything of my belief and i follow each and everything preached.
I bet there is no one.
If we dont have 100% knowledge of the faith that we follow then how can we say others are at fault.
No religion talks abt harming others, its the bad followers who spoils the name of belief.
i can’t believe, scientist are wrong in the 21st century, hahahahahahaha. SUMMON BUKMON UMMUON FAHUM LA YARJIOON
Bye gyzzz
Dear Khan.
Shalom.
You wrote:
scientist are wrong in the 21st century, hahahahahahaha.
My reply:
Do we believe in all what the scientists told us 200 years ago?
They were mostly wrong. They always give us their best guess.
Surely we will not believe either, what the scientists might tell us today. 50 years from now, surely new scientists will come up with new revelations, that challenge the old “knowledge”.
If you think we, today, have reached the perfect and ultimate understanding of everything, you are a complete fool. And your comment suits you.
Jesus never died for anybodys sins. Never crucified and must not be ascribed of being patners with God.. he merely ascended to the heavens & will make his second coming.
Is the Roman Catholic Church on the verge of turning into shambles? You be the judge.
You cant hep but get the impression that the Christian world has become so insecure that the Muslim population has overtaken them. They must be doing something right.. Use some common sense.
Edward
Your comment: Jesus never died for anybodys sins. Never crucified and must not be ascribed of being patners with God.. he merely ascended to the heavens & will make his second coming.
My Comment: You are completely wrong. Jesus DID die for our sins, and resurrected again. And unless, you believe this that our sins were nailed to the cross, and that Christ has forgiven us, well not believing is a horrible mistake.
For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance; that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures – 1 Corinthians 15:3
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. – 1 John 4:10
For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past. – Romans 3:25
He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins – Ephesians 1:7
God Bless.
Dear Gloria
Shalom, and good morning to you.
Thanks for ministering to Edvard. That Jesus has paid the price for the sins of the World, is the best news we ever can give to lost souls. He was crucified, shed His blood and rose from the grave after three days. This is the truth.
Helo gloria.. it seems like you dont have glory inside your heart, do you?
Good Morning Johaina,
I have Christ in my heart, in my mind, in my soul because he’s saved me from my sins. I believe in him completely, and he’s answered my prayers more than once.
Johaina, all you have to do is pick up the bible, and open your heart. You will then see how AMAZING CHRIST IS.
The Bible says: 1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.
May Peace be upon You All
Gloria…
You are talking about a book which originally came from God “the old testmnt” and the christian changed it as per their needs “the new testmnt”. How can one get the message of the Almighty god when human like you have chnged it as per their needs???? And yess the holy Quara’n says that jesus is alive and in Madina there is one Grave which is for him, he will come back before the day of Judgement and he will die then he will be buried in madinah then the big crunch ie Qayamat will come.
Shahnawaz,
Your Comment: You are talking about a book which originally came from God “the old testmnt” and the christian changed it as per their needs “the new testmnt”.
My Comment: The writers of the bible were in direction of the Holy Spirit. You say how can someone believe God’s message when we have changed it, as per our needs? You based that question on what?
Did you know that thousands of bible prophecies have come true including the fact that Israel has become a nation once again. How about the current end times where Jesus says: “And you will be hearing of wars an rumors of wars; see that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and in various places there will be famines, and pestilence’s and earthquakes. “But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.” Matthew 24:3-8 *end*
All of these are increasing just as Christ said. How can we not compare God’s word to what is around us and not see the truth?
You say the Old Testament and the New Testament have been changed. I absolutely do not think that is true. The Word of God says in Revelation 22 verse 19: And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
God always keeps his word. His words do not change. The world will change, but God’s words never change.
Your Comment: And yess the holy Quara’n says that jesus is alive and in Madina there is one Grave which is for him, he will come back before the day of Judgement and he will die then he will be buried in madinah then the big crunch ie Qayamat will come.
My Comment: It is really sad that many muslims follow a mere man like Mohammed. There is only one God, and that is Jesus Christ. He was not just a prophet, like Mohammed led you to believe. Christ died for our sins, and resurrected just so we can have eternal life through him. To not follow Christ, is a huge mistake. Especially since Christ’s coming is near.
The bible says in John 10:30: I and the father are one. *end* Christ did tell us that He and God are one.
The bible says: 1 John 2:18,19 “Children, these are the Last Days. You were told that Antichrist must come, and now several antichrists have already appeared. We know from this, that these are the Last Days. Those rivals of Messiah came out of our own number, but they had never really belonged. If they had belonged, they would have stayed with us, but they left us, to prove that no one of them ever belonged to us.” *end*
As to your last statement about judgment. The bible is clear that only GOD can bring judgment to us.
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:12-15
God Bless you.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Thanks for being my sister, and leading others towards faith in Jesus the Messiah. May the King of the Jews bless you with all kinds of heavenly blessings.
Same to you Ivar 🙂
I haven’t been to church in a few weeks, because my son has bronchitis and asthma, and now I have asthma.
So I take comfort in knowing I can speak about Jesus Christ on your blog.
May God Bless you for everything you’ve done in his name.
In the entire bible Jesus (pbuh) never said that he is god, John said he is god, Matthews said he is god, Peter said he is god, in the entire bible Jesus (pbuh) never said he is god and worship him. You get me one unequivocal, unambigous, un-altered worse from Bible wherein Jesus (pbuh) himself sya that he is God I’ll beleive that “JESUS (PBUH) IS THE GOD”. Because I know there is not a single unequivocal, unambigous, un-altered worse in th entire bible wherein Jesus (pbuh) himself says he is god. However in the Bible itself Jesus points towards comimg of another messenget of god who will say that he was right and will complete the gods revoletion. Also few years back there was a conference of Christian scholars who at the end of conference said that the bible is not in its original form and a common person should not read the bible. Also the bible is written in many colors to signify what is beleived to be said by Jesus it is printed in black, the werse which there are sure that it is not said by Jesus is printed in red, etc like pink and all. Like this 95% of the bible is written in Red. So christian scholars are saying that 95% of the todays bible is not the word of god.. so what do u say on this…
Shahnawaz,
Your Comment: You get me one unequivocal, unambigous, un-altered worse from Bible wherein Jesus (pbuh) himself sya that he is God I’ll beleive that
My Comment: There are many verses where Jesus says he is God.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
Romans 9:5-“…Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.
1 Timothy 2:3-4-“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
Jude 25-“To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and for ever.
Revelation 21:6-7-“And he [Jesus Christ] said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.”
If you need more verses, I can give them to you or you can read the Bible which is the True Word of Jesus Christ.
Allah cannot save you. Allah did not die on the cross for your sins, and Allah surely was not resurrected.
It is Jesus Christ that has saved you, if you accept his offer, and it is Jesus Christ who is coming soon.
God Bless.
If jesus is a god, then as per the definition of god, god is eternal then how come jesus die for your sin? And for your information Allah is a arabic word synonym for God. May Peace be upon you
Dear Shahnawaz
Shalom.
You wrote:
If jesus is a god, then as per the definition of god, god is eternal then how come jesus die for your sin?
My reply:
If God want to take form of a man, and walk on Earth, can you stop Him?
If God wants to pay for your sins, and forgive you, what is your problem?
Shahnawaz,
Your Comment: If jesus is a god, then as per the definition of god, god is eternal then how come jesus die for your sin? And for your information Allah is a arabic word synonym for God.
My Comment: Jesus is God, there is no “if” about it (John 10:30). As to why did Jesus die for our sins…Romans 4:25-5:2 says: He was delivered over to death for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. By faith in this, then, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.
John 3:16 says: “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,[a] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
And as I stated above Jesus Christ is God. Romans 9:5-”…Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God.
And as to your comment: Allah is an arabic synonym for God. The Allah you speak of is NOT the same God who is the creator of all things, and the Alpha and Omega.
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
God Bless.
The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:
“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel”.
1. MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:
Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.
If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.
However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):
i) Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.
[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur’an 3:42-47]
ii) Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.
iii) Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)
Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).
Words in the mouth:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.
“I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.”
[Deuteronomy 18:18]
iv) Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36).
v) Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, “He came unto his own, but his own received him not.”
iv) Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).
2. It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19
“And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.”
3. Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:
It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:
“And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.”
When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra – “Read”, he replied, “I am not learned”.
4. prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:
“Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem.”
“His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem.”
In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as “altogether lovely”, but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:
Al-Qur’an Chapter 61 Verse 6:
“And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, ‘O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.’ But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, ‘This is evident sorcery!’ ”
All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.
1. John chapter 14 verse 16:
“And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever.”
2. Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
3. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:
“Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you”.
“Ahmed” or “Muhammad” meaning “the one who praises” or “the praised one” is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word ‘Comforter’ is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.
Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).
4. Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:
“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me”.
The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
Question
The Qur’an is not the Word of God but on the contrary the handiwork of Satan.
Answer
In reply to a similar allegation put forward by the pagans of Makkah, that the prophet (pbuh) received the revelations from Satan, the following verses were revealed:
Surah Waqiah, chapter 56 verses 77-80
“That this is indeed
A Qur’an most honourable,
In a Book well-guarded,
Which none shall touch
But those who are clean:
A Revelation from the Lord
Of the Worlds.”
Kitabim Maknoon means a book well guarded or a protected book, referring to Lauh-e-Mahfooz in the heaven, which none shall touch except the Mutahhareen. i.e. those who do not have any uncleanliness or impurity or evil like sin. This refers to the angels. The satan is absolutely prohobited.
Thus since it is impossible for satan to come anywhere close to it or touch it, the question of him writing the verses of the Glorious Qur’an does not arise.
It is further mentioned in Surah Shura, chapter 26 verse 210-212
“No evil ones have brought
Down this (Revelation):
It would neither suit them
Nor would they be able (To produce it).
Indeed they have been removed
Far from even (a chance of)
Hearing it.”
Many people have a wrong concept of satan. They think that satan can probably do everything, except a couple of things that God can do. According to them, satan is slightly below God in power. Since the people do not want to accept that the Qur’an is a miraculous revelation, they say that it is satan’s handiwork.
If satan would have written the Qur’an, he would not have mentioned in the same Qur’an in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse no. 98
“When thou does read
The Qur’an, seek Allah’s protection from Satan the Rejected One.”
Is this how you feel satan would write a book? Does he tell you; “Before you read my book ask God to save you from me?”
There are several verses in the Qur’an which will give enough evidence that satan is not the author of the Qur’an.
In Surah Al Aaraf chapter 7 verse 200
“If a suggestion from Satan assail your (mind),
seek refuge with Allah; for He hears and knows
(all things).
Why would satan tell his followers, that whenever he gives any suggestions to them, they should seek refuge in Allah (swt) to whom he is an avowed enemy.
In Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 168
“O ye people!
Eat of what is on earth, lawful and good;
and do not follow the footsteps of the Evil one,
For he is to you an avowed enemy.”
In Surah Yasin, chapter 36 verse 60
“Did I not enjoin on you,
O ye children of Adam,
that ye should not worship Satan;
for that he was to you an enemy avowed?”
Satan is intelligent, no wonder that he can put this idea into the minds of people that he himself wrote the Qur’an. Compared to Almighty God, Satan is insignificant, and Allah (swt) is far more intelligent. He knows satan’s evil intentions and hence no wonder that He has given the reader of the Qur’an several proofs to show that Qur’an is God’s word, and not satan’s word.
The Bible mentions in the Gospel of Mark, chapter 3, verses 24-26
“And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that
kingdom cannot stand.”
“And if a house be divided against itself,
that house cannot stand.”
“And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.”
These articles go more into glory detail regarding the “is Quran from satan” theory:
http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/Is_Quran_From_Satan.html
http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/is_the_quran_the_word_of_satan__according_to_the_biblical_jesus__that_s_absurd_
I) Position of Jesus (pbuh) in Islam:
(i)Islam is the only non-Christian faith, which makes it an article of faith to believe in Jesus (pbuh). No Muslim is a Muslim if he does not believe in Jesus (pbuh).
(ii) We believe that he was one of the mightiest Messengers of Allah (swt).
(iii) We believe that he was born miraculously, without any male intervention, which many modern day Christians do not believe.
(iv) We believe he was the Messiah translated Christ (pbuh).
(v) We believe that he gave life to the dead with God’s permission.
(iv) We believe that he healed those born blind, and the lepers with God’s permission.
II) Concept of God in Christianity:
1. Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) “My Father is greater than I.”
[The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
[The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]
2. The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
3. God Sent Jesus’ (pbuh)
The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:
(i)”… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.”
[The Bible, John 14:24]
(ii)”And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”
[The Bible, John 17:3]
4. Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity
Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:
“And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’
And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ ”
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]
Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).
5. Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God
The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.”
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]
6. The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
“Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
III) Concept of God in Testament:
1. God is One
The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad”.
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord”
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah
The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:
(i) “I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
(ii) “I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
(iii) “I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]
3. Old Testament condemns idol worship
(i) Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.”
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]
(ii) A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:
“Thou shalt have none other gods before me.”
“Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth.”
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.”
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
Dear Shahnawaz
Shalom.
This is another verse, where Jesus uses the name of God, in the form of “I AM”. Something to reflect on.
John 8: 67-58.
“You are not yet fifty years old,” the Jews said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “I tell you the truth,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
sorry for incorrect statemnet in the statement above I said that the words of jesus are in black which is incorrect. the 95% bible is in balck and the statement of jesus are printed in RED. I apologise for the Error.. reference Master Study Bible
Authorised King James Version
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Dear Shahnawaz.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Did Jesus claim to be God?
Surely. Here is a great example.
John 4:24-26
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.”
You quoted:
John 4:24-26
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
Then Jesus declared, “I who speak to you am he.”
The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) “My Father is greater than I.”
[The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
[The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]
Don’t you think bible has verses which contradicts with each other? Then how come a book be called WORD OF GOD if it contradicts with itself?
May Peace Be Upon You..
Dear Shahnawaz.
Shalom.
I am impressed by your knowledge of the Bible. Please continue reading.
When your read, please keep in mind, that Jesus is God that came to Earth and took form of a human being. The Son of Man, Jesus, was completely human, and shared in our humanity. He was also fully God, forgiving sin, and doing wonderful miracles to help all kinds of people. Healing every sickness in both flesh and human heart.
@ivarfjeld
Dear, I invite you to read the Holy Qura’n, which does not cotradicts with itself also science have proved a majoruty of things stated in Qura’n to be precisely right. Moreover bible also quotes the last messanger to come after Jesus. Infact the Bible says about three messangers of god one being Mosses, second Jesus and hints to third to come the last one Mohammad (peace be upon all). You are saying to go against the verses of bible quoted above and accept Jesus as god, which means you yourself are not following the bible and telling people to follow it. And there are many anamolies in the Bible, one being it says that earth is the center of earth and everything revolves around such as Sun, etc, which we all know is wrong. So I invite you to read the Qura’n. Read with open heart and then you will realise the true god and that Jesus is the messanger of the god. May God Bless You.
I think you misquote the bible. You don’t write full verses of Jesus Christ’s words above.
You write just a few words, taking God’s word out of context.
For Example: You write “My Father is greater than I.” [The Bible, John 14:28]
But the whole bible verse is this: John 14:28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
For futher explanation: The word translated “greater” (meizon) does not mean greater in the sense of a higher type of being, but rather greater in the sense of position or authority. This is the meaning cited by modern Greek lexicons, and is exampled by dozens of Biblical and extra-Biblical sources.
Another Example you have listed is: “My Father is greater than all.” [The Bible, John 10:29]
But the True Word of God (Holy Bible) full verse reads: John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[a]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand
Peter tells us, in Acts 2 and 3, that we must take five steps to salvation. They are:
Believe in Jesus Christ and his message.
Repent (have a change of mind, realising that we need God and His forgiveness).
Be converted (turn round and walk towards God).
Obey Jesus by having our sins washed away in baptism.
Continue faithfully in God’s way (Acts 2:27-42; 3:18-21).
God always keeps His promises. He will never let us down. As Jesus said, “No one can snatch them out of the Father’s care” (John 10:29).
And most importantly: If you missed it above God and Jesus Christ are one.
John 10 says:
The Unbelief of the Jews
22Then came the Feast of Dedication[b] at Jerusalem. It was winter, 23and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24The Jews gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ,[c] tell us plainly.”
25Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[d]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30I and the Father are one.”
God Bless.
Dear Gloria,
In all abive verses Jesus refers to his Father. Who is Jesus’ father? Please explain.
May Peace Be Upon You All.
Dear Shahnawaz
Shalom.
I am blessed by your interest for Christianity, and search for the truth. My sister Gloria is a daughter of the living God, and will surely help you giving you the best answers she can.
Jesus claimed to be “one” with His Father God. In the sense of always in agreement. You can read about the Son in the Hebrew Bible. In the very first book of Genesis you will find “them”.
Genesis 1:26
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
(end of scripture).
If you believe in “allah”, listening to Jesus you will find the truth. God speaks to another person, in the form of an “us”. Allah is not alone. He has a begotten Son. His name is Jesus, and He tells us that “allah” is our Father in Heaven.
Since Muhammad do not accept this, He is a false messenger. He do not represent God the Most High, the creator of Heaven and Earth. Jesus do. He and His Father are One. Amen.
Shahnawaz,
Your Comment: In all abive verses Jesus refers to his Father. Who is Jesus’ father? Please explain.
My Comment: I thought I did that with the verses above.
About God: Ivar wrote a great verse below Genesis 1:26
God is our father, the creater of all things. Here are several bible verse on who God is:
Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?
Exodus 34:5-7 Then the LORD came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the LORD. {6} And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, “The LORD, the LORD, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, {7} maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation.”
Deuteronomy 4:31 For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your forefathers, which he confirmed to them by oath.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. {5} Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.
Now here are more bible verses that say Jesus Christ and God are one. Please read the verses so you can understand.
Matthew 1 verses 22-23: All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: “Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel” (which means, God with us).
John 14:9-11 – Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?”
John 20:28 – And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 20:28 – (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 (Jesus’ blood purchased us)
Philippians 2:5-7 – Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. (My Comment: God was manifested in the flesh- That’s very important for you to understand God and Christ are one.)
Hebrews 2:17,18 “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.”
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 22:13 “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”… 22:16 – “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
God Bless.
comments by Mushtaq Anwar
islam is a religion of peace. donot look at the muslims. look at islam. it has been created a great confusion about islam.read the holy quran and hadiths (saying of the last prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H.6 books).
Postar Bob who is involved in his rubbish activity. what he thinks that by doing so he will finish the words of ALLAH(GOD. he has done a great sin & he must repent to ALLAH(GOD). ALLAH(GOD) knows best to protect the Quran and the followers of Quran. The holy TORAH and holy Bible has been changed. the different translators have emerged their own words in those holy books at different stages.some arrogant people say that islam has begun at the time of Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H, no it is their misunderstanding.islam had started at the time of ADAM & EVE peace be upon them.
muslims believe in ALLAH(GOD),all Angels,4 books i.e Quran…origional bible,origional Torah & Zaboor, all messengers & prophets (124,000), the day of Resurection(day of judgement).
islam does not tell that whereever you find the disbelievers & kill them.most of anti islamic organisations spread the meaning of that verse(191-Al Baqarah/the Cow) of Quran that ”where ever you find the disbelievers kill them” actually this verse was revealed at the time of begining, when ALLAH(GOD) appointed Muhammad P.B.U.H as the last prophet for the guidance of whole humanity.AT that time there were faught 8 Ghazawat. In the very begining , Arab pagans/idolators and jews were opposing strongly to small group of muslims and Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H). ALLAH(GOD) revealed to Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) that you donot attempt to kill the disbelievers neither around the sacred Masjid(Masjide Haram) nor in the sacred Months. in the Quran it is said that if the followers of previous books believe in this book (Quran) and the Prophet/messanger Muhammad (P.B.U.H) ”who can neither read nor write ”(verse 157-Al A’raf/Heights) they will be successful.non muslims point out this verse and say that all muslims are terrorist and islam give the lesson of terrorism, no but it is 100% wrong.one cannot understand the holy Quran by just reading it’s translation.i request those people who do objection on this verse that, they must read the background of this verse. Similarly alot of strange questions are being arisen by non muslims about islam and teaching of holy Quran and it happens day to day.
some people make objection about Meraj(verse 1- Bani Israel/the children of Israel) that why Muhammad(P.B.U.H) was carried from Makkah to Jerusalem (Aqsa).how foolish question they make.ALLAH(GOD) does what ALLAH(GOD) wills. such type of questions are made to confuse the muslims.
some people who are misled by some thing or astrayed they say, oh muslims say about christian that they believe in Jesus(Essa)pP.B.U.H as the son of GOD. they reply no, we donot believe this but we believe the Jesus(P.B.U.H)as GOD.
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please donot distort the false with truth.
Mushtaq,
Please read the Bible verses I quoted above. The Holy Word of God is the complete truth.
READ THIS BIBLE VERSE: Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Paul said here: 1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. *end*
Re-read it: God was manifested in the flesh!
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 8:24 says: I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [THE ONE I CLAIM TO BE], you will indeed die in your sins.”
“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?”
all you burn in hell. İslam is the truth…
to those muslims that left so much hate comments here ”please stop it. it won’t change anything and it will form a wrong idea about islam” to those christians(?) supporting this horrible act of hatred ”hope you’ll understand it’s real impact sooner or later” and those christians(?) believing the islam to be a ”one great lie of the devil’: ”it’s up to you to believe whatever you believe in, but as those muslims that say you’ll burn in the hell, you too don’t have a right to judge. God’s the only one to judge.” p.s. stop using our holy book to ”prove” your own understanding of islam. cuz I think that you intentionally misinterpret them, if you were a true believer in God you won’t dare to do so.
If u guys are still fighting for being a muslim/Christian, here comes an Athiest. I dn’t believe in any of the above…i failed to have a strong reason to why i should believe in any of them. Am ok the way i am as long as i’ve neva killed or robbed anyone.
There’s no “heaven” & there’s no “hell”. Once u die…thats all..u’re gone. If God is there, let him be there coz nobody knows whether he’s Black, pink or white…female or male, gay or lesbian. This thing of prophet muhhamad, Jesus or whatsever it is should stop.
When is a black prophet coming?? Why is it that Satan is black n angels are white?? why do arabs have their own prophet & whites aswell have their own prophet?? If u believe in one God, why do u have to go through these two human beings jesus & muhhamad?? To muslims: Since your allah is everywhere, Why dn’t u face wherever u face whenever u having prayers?? I take islam as a culture not a religion.
Anyone who has read Koran knows that he’s wrong. Koran is the book of love. There is nothing bad in it. How you non-believers can’t see that? I really can’t understand u. Then, he deserved to burn. Allah is One.
Ashley,
You say the Quran is full of love? Explain this then:
Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.
“Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
This so called religion is full of violence, and Allah is no god.
Jesus Christ is the only one that can save you.
John 5:24 “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.
reply for all anti-muslims
[Brother! You wanted a few words of advice from me, so listen to a few truths included in eight short stories, which since you are a soldier, are in the form of comparisons of a military nature. I consider my own soul to need advice more than anyone, and at one time I addressed my soul at some length with Eight Words inspired by eight verses of the Qur’an from which I had benefited. Now I shall address my soul with these same Words, but briefly and in the language of ordinary people. Whoever wishes may listen together with me.]
The First Word
Bismillah, “In the Name of God,” is the start of all things good. We too shall start with it. Know, O my soul! Just as this blessed phrase is a mark of Islam, so too it is constantly recited by all beings through their tongues of disposition. If you want to know what an inexhaustible strength, what an unending source of bounty isBismillah, listen to the following story which is in the form of a comparison. It goes like this:
Someone who makes a journey through the deserts of Arabia has to travel in the name of a tribal chief and enter under his protection, for in this way he may be saved from the assaults of bandits and secure his needs. he will perish in the face of innumerable enemies and needs. And so, two men went on such a journey and entered the desert. One of them was modest and humble, the other proud and conceited. The humble man assumed the name of a tribal chief, while the proud man did not. The first travelled safely wherever he went. If he encountered bandits, he said: “I am travelling in the name of such-and-such tribal leader,” and they did not molest him. If he came to some tents, he was treated respectfully due to the name. But the proud man suffered indescribable calamities throughout his journey. He both trembled before everything and begged from everything. He was abased and became an object of scorn.
My proud soul! You are the traveller, and this world is a desert. Your impotence and poverty have no lim it, and your enemies and needs are endless. Since it is thus, take the name of the Pre-Eternal Ruler and Post-Eternal Lord of the desert and be saved from begging before the whole universe and trembling before every event.
Yes, this phrase is a treasury so blessed that your infinite impotence and poverty bind you to an infinite power and mercy; it makes your impotence and poverty a most acceptable intercessor at the Court of One All-Powerful and Compassionate. The person who acts saying, “In the Name of God,” resembles someone who enrolls in the army. He acts in the name of the government; he has fear of no one; he speaks, performs every matter, and withstands everything in the name of the law and the name of the government.
At the beginning we said that all beings say “In the Name of God” through the tongue of disposition. Is that so?
Indeed, it is so. If you were to see that a single person had come and had driven all the inhabitants of a town to a place by force and compelled them to work, you would be certain that he had not acted in his own name and through his own power, but was a soldier, acting in the name of the government and relying on the power of the king.
In the same way, all things act in the name of Almighty God, for minute things like seeds and grains bear huge trees on their heads; they raise loads like mountains. That means all trees say: “In the Name of God,” fill their hands from the treasury of mercy, and offer them to us. All gardens say: “In the Name of God,” and become cauldrons from the kitchens of Divine power in which are cooked numerous varieties of different foods. All blessed animals like cows, camels, sheep, and goats, say: “In the Name of God,” and produce springs of milk from the abundance of mercy, offering us a most delicate and pure food like the water of life in the name of the Provider. The roots and rootlets, soft as silk, of plants, trees, and grasses say: “In the Name of God,” and pierce and pass through hard rock and earth.
The Words ( 16 )
Hayat,
Mohammed was a horrible man, and he had committed countless of crimes. He formed a following that embraces violence, and denies that Christ is Lord. He is what the Bible calls false prophet.
1 John 4:1-6 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. …
Jesus wants you to turn away from sin and accept him, for he comes soon.
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.”
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”
John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”