These images from Church of Portobelo in Panama expose the bondage of idolatry.
Faithful Roman Catholic pilgrims crawl on their knees, to face “El Cristo Negro” inside this Roman Catholic Church in Portobelo in Panama. The small statues of the false Messiah are black like ashes.
If these Roman Catholics were willing to obey the Bible, they would never have remained in such bondage. The Holy Spirit would have come and set them free.
Through history, people who have renounced the Papacy, have been badly persecuted. In hundreds of thousands, they were martyred. Beaten and killed by the religious people who refused to obey the truth.
Exodus 20:4-6
“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Here are some more pictures:
Isaiah 37:19
They have thrown their gods into the fire and destroyed them, for they were not gods but only wood and stone, fashioned by human hands.
Jeremiah 2:27
They say to wood, ‘You are my father,’ and to stone, ‘You gave me birth.’ They have turned their backs to me and not their faces; yet when they are in trouble, they say, ‘Come and save us!’
Daniel 5:4
As they drank the wine, they praised the gods of gold and silver, of bronze, iron, wood and stone.
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
1 Corinthians 12:2
You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols…..
The “Jesus” they crawled towards is not “Lord of Heaven”. May all of them one day scrap their wooden idols, and enjoy carrying the true Messiah inside their hearts. Amen.
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How sad, how so very sad…such deception! such a high price Jesus paid, and a high price they will surely pay if they don’t Repent. Looking at this I’m reminded of the ”2 Cups”..if we don’t drink of The Cup of The Lord Jesus, we are told by The Lord, We shall surely drink of His Wrath and all the dregs in it. Sad these are so deceived! What Mercy all who believe have been granted…and it’s ever present for all who will Call upon The Name of The Lord!
Don’t you have a skeleton adoration you have to attend?
YOU’RE as nuts as THEY are thinking YOUR way is the ONLY way.
If there are ”MANY” ways…for Salvation and Everlasting Life…Which do you Choose? Or are you able to choose a different ‘god’ daily? If it’s a Chocolate ‘god’..is he/she/it also powerful in the Summer? If it’s a ‘god’ that encouraging raping boys & girls, at what age do ”YOU” pass off your children, grand or great grandchildren and to whom? the Catholic Priests or to the Islamic/Muslim Elders who esteem raping a virgin so much ”their heaven” passes out 72 Virgins to all who ”murder-for-hire” ..Payment/Reward is 72 Virgins!! These are taught they are some-kind-of-stud like a hired Bull !! Or is the ‘god of prosperity’ ..’Name-it-Claim-it god’, where this ‘god’ teaches ‘anyone can stand before ”The GOD of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob” and tell, DEMAND what HE will do, will accept and Demand HIS Angels to be your beck’n call for all manner of wickedness, and DEMAND The HOLY GHOST to ‘go here, go there, fetch’n serve your needs….I have no patience with people like you who has so many gods none of them can do the simplest thing…you and your gods and your preachers of these gods…are what The LORD says you & your idols are…Psalm 115:1-8 (1) ‘Not unto us, O LORD, not unto us, but unto thy name give glory, for thy mercy, [and] for thy truth’s sake. (2) Wherefore should the heathen say, Where [is] now their God? (3) But our God [is] in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased. (4) Their idols [are] silver and gold, the work of men’s hands. (5) They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: (6) They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: (7) They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. (8) They that make them are like unto them; [so is] every one that trusteth in them. All the sexual ‘gods’ & those who serve them can find out what a reprobate mind is..(Rom 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. (and Pharaoh & his menions can not FREE you from God’s Eternal Prison House!) JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!
Amen, Andrea!
As appealing as that powerful Summertime “chocolate god” you mentioned may be — I’m sticking with Jesus!
You have a powerful anointing and should get behind a microphone.
“And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely” (Rev. 22:17).
Even So, Come, Lord Jesus!
There is ONLY ONE WAY. His name is Jesus Christ. He said, “I am the gate. Whosoever enters through ME will be saved.”
Anyone who tries to enter through another gate, through another gospel, id est, “mary” worship, rosary beads, icon adoration, etc. will be cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Jesus said that when old salt loses its saltiness it can NEVER be made salty again. You’ve chosen a very prophetic name for yourself, Old Salt. You are deceived and don’t even know it.
“You are the salt of the earth; BUT if the salt has become tasteless, how can it be made salty again? It is NO LONGER GOOD FOR ANYTHING, except to be THROWN OUT and TRAMPLED under foot by men” (Matthew 5:13).
Repent of the lies of the Roman Catholic “church” before your salt-less soul is not even be strong enough to kill a garden snail.
AMEN
John 14:6 JESUS answered, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.”
It is so heartbreaking to see such idol worship.
It’s even more heartbreaking to see the excuses used to justify Mary worship (like in the comments on this thread):
http://defendingcontending.com/2008/06/23/its-all-about-mary/
Dear Namba.
Sabbath Shalom.
You wrote:
It is so heartbreaking to see such idol worship.
My comment:
There are people who really hate God of the Bible. They hate Him. They hate his words, and they will continue doing what God hates to they find them selves in the burning flames of Hell.
May prayer is that some of them might see this article and repent. Because if they do not repent, they will perish.
Something is wrong with this…it said I had duplicated a word response….Amen…so I’m saying “I agree” (smile)
“I do not set aside grace. For if righteousness could be obtained through the law, Christ died for nothing.” ~ Gal 2:21
So sad.
Amen….this is wrong and bondage (the Catholic Church)
Yeah, those leaders of the catholic church are the type who make themselves look good yet find fault with others, even making them crawl through the streets and bow to their idols.
Jude 1:8-19 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” “These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.”
Bad shepherds making people slaves to their ungodliness.
It’s sickening what the religious groups get people to do …while they disobey God’s Word and lower their-selves to the level of Satan
PLEASE LET’S JOIN IN PRAYER FOR THOSE FOLKS TO BE DELIVERED FROM THIS DEMONIC MESS, RIGHT NOW?? How in the world does the Catholic Church see this and allow it to go on??? Heavenly Father in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior, we ask you to take the blinders off their eyes, hearts, and minds so that they can see you and your Son for who you really are. In Jesus Precious and Holy Name, Amen.
You said,….How in the world does the Catholic Church see this and allow it to go on???
Bea, the Catholic Church was started by Satan it is his master piece that has deceived men, women, boys and girls since it’s inception..and it was created for this purpose for this time in History for these days..the Last Days…it’s so ingrained into society that many are afraid to say out loud ‘the Catholic Church is a Cult, a Deceiver of all that is Holy, right and decent…FACT
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus upon the Shoulders of Peter. To claim that the devil founded God’s Church is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit! Just like Pharisees did! REPENT NOW!! I’m begging you please do?! 😦
Praise be to God for leaving us his One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church here on earth so that we may be guided in the fullness of truth that we may know Christ fully! Amen and God be with you all
I was raised Catholic. Ask your priest if Genesis chapter 1-3 are true. His answer, we are not sure it just may be a story tale with some evolution in there.They want me to forget all I learned in catechism grades 1-8. I believe in God’s true and perfect Word (The Bible) not man-made religion. Some of the pharisees did repent. Read the gospel of John about the ones who did not. John 3:3 states You can’t see heaven without being born again. Are You? Believing without seeing that Jesus was here as God and performed miracles and died for our sins on the cross. He has chosen from the beginning his people (the church not a building) for his own people, adopted sons and daughters. Sinners must repent and trust him only and he does convert your heart. In him all is possible with man nothing. There is no earning heaven. We are all sinners in desperate need of a Savior, Jesus Christ.
You quote “Ask your priest if Genesis chapter 1-3 are true. His answer, we are not sure it just may be a story tale with some evolution in there.” AHHH…..And i ask you were you there when the universe, the world, mankind was created???? Hmmmm???? I think the priest said very well. Its like did Adam and Eve have belly buttons………..no in the Bible says that or there’s no official teaching on this? But is it important……absolutely NOT!!! Was the world created in 6 days……….WE have NO idea???? We were not there and ancients have whole perspective idea of time, details……ect.
Were in the Bible does it say it is the absolue source and Authority??? AHHHHH…..NONE!
Nope but, blessed are those who believe and have not seen. The Lord has changed my life because I was broken. I cried out to him as he called me to him. He converted my soul to live my life to his Honor. I am actually truly here because he saved me. You must be born again to see the kingdom of God. That includes realizing of yourself their is nothing you can do to earn your way there. It is by His Grace through faith we are saved.I live my life for what he wants me to do. All my life it was for me and a total depraved sinner am I. No one seeks after God not one. We can’t seek him until he calls us. He knew from before the beginning who is children are. He says my sheep hear my voice and know me. We born again Christians have a personal relationship based on what God’s plan is for us to his Glory. I am sure I am going to Heaven are you?
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May the True God the Only Father open your eyes. God Bless you!
To me if GOD (and he did) says he created the World in 6 days…then it was 6 days…. it’s settled…When God says it , it is so…. (smile)
David,
Not believing in the entire Word of God is dangerous. And by that statement of the “priests” not acknowledging the very beginning of God’s word, a believer in Jesus christ can tell they and the Catholic church are filled with lies., They twist the Word to suit their own need.
It is very clear: Psalm 33:4-6
For the word of the LORD is right and true; he is faithful in all he does. The LORD loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of his unfailing love. By the word of the LORD were the heavens made, their starry host by the breath of his mouth.
Your Comment: And there are many many other verses where our Lord tells us he is the truth, his words are the truth.
Was the world created in 6 days……….WE have NO idea???? We were not there and ancients have whole perspective idea of time, details……ect
My Comment:
Proverbs 30: 5 Every word of God is tried and purified; He is a shield to those who trust and take refuge in Him.
Hebrews 4:12 For the Word that God speaks is alive and full of power [making it active, operative, energizing, and effective]; it is sharper than any two-edged sword, penetrating to the dividing line of the breath of life (soul) and [the immortal] spirit, and of joints and marrow [of the deepest parts of our nature], exposing and sifting and analyzing and judging the very thoughts and purposes of the heart.
You say Jesus started the Catholic Church….if this is so (which it is not) Why would Jesus tell the Pope and Priests to do and say things that is ‘contrary to His Word’ ?? Why would Jesus tell the Believers one thing and tell the Catholic Church another?? Why would Jesus lie in His Word if He (Jesus) told the Catholic Church a different story??? The ONLY way the Catholic Church could have been started by ‘Jesus’ is THAT WAS THE FALSE JESUS…Not the ONE is is The REAL Jesus Christ…this defending a Church or Church Doctrine in order to justify ones refusal to believe and accept the facts as The Lord has presented them to us all in His Word is blatant foolishness and downright rebellion…
Why would someone who sees His Word in black and white and reject it? Jesus said why they do that..”Because they love their sins more than they love HIM….! FACT
Andrea :
Your zeal is admirable and I commend you on that. But zeal for a cause contrary to God’s plan is going against God. To accuse and judge your siblings in Christ whether Catholic, Orthodox or Protestant is wrong! Christ prayed that his Church may be one but you keep promoting division within the body of Christ with such sensational theology.
Challenge : The Catholic Church contains the fullness of divine truth necessary for salvation. I ask you to present one instance where the church has taught a dogma or doctrine contrary to the teachings of Christ. Just one…
You see the Catholic Church’s teachings line up with the bible… No let me rephrase that : The Bible lines up with the teachings of the Catholic Church for the Bible is a product of Church Tradition. Just as the Bible says. About the church that “The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth!”.
Just look through History and you will see that the Church Christ left over is the one that you oppose in protest — The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. May God soften your heart to this truth so that he may use you as a tool for spreading His truth.
God be with You.
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
It is always exiting to face Roman Catholics who claim the Pope teach no dogma that is contrary to scripture.
I will advice you to debate on topic at the time, and not jump my question:
1. Where in the Bible, do the Pope find permission to be addressed as “The holy father”?
Nonsense. Its asking why call pastors “Reverend” or minister??? Its also not scripture!!!!! Give up on that debate!!!
Jesus gave power and authority to the Church alone.
The Church later produced the Bible.
The Bible also requires proper interpretation, if it’s to be of much practical value.
The guys who made up a whole new religion based on the Bible ALONE still haven’t been able to agree on much.
That’s because interpreting the Bible properly remains the official job of the Church, too.
I wonder how the Early Christians before the year 367 AD could have practiced the “Sola Scriptura (Bible Alone)” doctrine.
There were many disputes over the canonicity and inspiration of many Books.
Some Books were inspired, some books were heretical.
The inspired Books that make the Bible were not available to everyone like today. So how could they use the doctrine of “Sola Scriptura”?
It was until 367 AD that Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, gave a list of exactly the same books as what would become the New Testament canon. Some of you folks need to do proper research and history check!!
Plus Can you give us chapter and verse where the bible tells us that it is the absolute authority? It is a book, and you can find very few people who will agree about what it says. 1 Tim. 3:15-16 tells us where the true authority lies.
Thanks Ivar for allowing this discussion to proceed 🙂
Before I answer the question I need to clarify a few points. Catholics are not Sola Scripturists and thus we don’t base all our theology on the Bible alone. We base it on the Bible and Sacred Tradition handed down to us by the Apostles and their successors. The Bible is a product of this tradition as I mentioned earlier. So don’t expect all our theology to come from the bible. Our theology does not however contradict anything in the Bible for the bible was compiled to agree our beliefs for Catholics compiled the bible .
Answer to your questions :
Why Catholics use the term “Holy Father”
Is because the Pope (Bishop of Rome) is called upon to practice exceptional
sanctity in imitation of Jesus Whose office he serves. The pope is also the “Father” to all the catholic churches while alive.
Jesus chose the apostles to be the earthly
leaders of the Church. He gave them his own authority to teach and to govern not as
dictators, but as loving pastors and fathers.
That is why Catholics call their spiritual
leaders “father.” In doing so we follow Paul’s example:
“I became your father in Jesus
Christ through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:15).
Catholics and Orthodox Christians call priests “Father” based on St. Paul’s theology of the spiritual fatherhood of priests:
“I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14-15).
God be with you and I hope this helped
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
You used one scripture:
“I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:14-15).
Let me first quote two more verses, and than put them into context with the 1.Cor 4:14-15:
First:
Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Paul never demanded that anyone should call him father. He said “I became your father”. Than is a radical different message. Nowhere, will you see anyone addressing Paul as “father Paul”. That would be a sin, and making a mockery of the instruction of Master Jesus.
Second:
John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.
Jesus Him self, call His Father in Heaven “Holy Father”. To copy this for the Pope, is blunt and damnable blasphemy. In particular in regards to Matthew 23:9. Because the Pope claim to be like a “god” in matters of moral and understanding of scripture: Infallible.
In context:
We as Christians can have countless guides, and even a father figure in our fellowships, a person who we trust is a man of God. But we will never mock God, and call any spiritual leader for “Father”. And never, never, until the point of death, call any man the “Holy Father”.
in their millions, people were rather martyred that to bow before the papacy. From 325 A.D onwards.
Ha ha ha ha,…well well well…a Catholic to admit ‘the Pope imitates Jesus…Catholics are not Sola Scripturists and thus we don’t base all our theology on the Bible alone…
and admit they don’t base their theology on the Bible alone….Who would of guessed???? ….(smile)
Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Wandile, You said..I ask you to present one instance where the church has taught a dogma or doctrine contrary to the teachings of Christ. Just one… You see the Catholic Church’s teachings line up with the bible… No let me rephrase that : The Bible lines up with the teachings of the Catholic Church for the Bible is a product of Church Tradition. Just as the Bible says.
1. Mary had several children after she had Jesus (smile) which means that Jesus had several half brothers and sisters…there’s one…
Your commendation about my zeal was a big mistake, to some you use that flattery as a fly to lure to lure many into your web…for I have nothing but what my LORD has given me..even prayers for you to flee that lie from the pit of hell ….be careful Wandile you yourself have been in a web for years unable to recognize the center of that web is Satan waiting for his appointed time to make you one of his ‘Blue-Plate-Specials’ ….your only hope is Jesus Christ ..denounce your wicked ways and flee to Jesus less you join with Satan in receiving the Wrath of God kept for all who reject Jesus and His Word….(which is the same as teaching and sharing the lies of Catholicism and any other heresy.
Then you go on and say that ‘the Catholic Church’s teachings line up with the Bible you said ‘bible’…then you said No let me rephrase that…The Bible lines up with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
NOW I SPEAK TO THE DEMON THAT RULES YOU,…In the Name of Jesus , You damnable spirit from the pit of Hell you think you can slide by with your slime filled words that some would think this was a mistake and twist their words to blatantly say that the Bible lines up with the Catholic Church…NO ONE NO THING is above The Word of GOD…for any reason for anytime…ALL have to line up with HIS Word…HIS WORD NEVER has to line up with YOU or Anyone….
Now to you Wandile…May GOD have Mercy on your ignorance and choice to defame The Word of GOD…& teaching others that damnable lie….but this is your time….you will continue to press forward in defense of your lovers and leaders…till the appointed time that GOD has for you and the demons who rule you.
you said th bible says :
“1. Mary had several children after she had Jesus (smile) which means that Jesus had several half brothers and sisters…there’s one…”
see that is where you are wrong. mary was an ever virigin. this is a doctrine still believed to this day by the oldest forms of christianity( Catholicism and Orthodxy) since the time of the apostles as its a teaching handed down by the apostles themselves. who better than them to trust?
secndly to understand what scriptures mean when they say ‘the bretheren of the Lord” or jeus’ ;brothers and sisters (Joses and all…) you need to ubderstand the hebrew. Hebrew has no word for cousin so they call their cousins ‘brother” or “sister”. secondly it is held that Joseph possibly had hilderen from a previous marriage. i advise you to read a document from the early chucrh called the protoevngilum of St James.
“Ha ha ha ha,…well well well…a Catholic to admit ‘the Pope imitates Jesus…Catholics are not Sola Scripturists and thus we don’t base all our theology on the Bible alone…
and admit they don’t base their theology on the Bible alone….Who would of guessed???? ….(smile)”
Sola Scriptura is a heresy from the reformatiom. no other christians befor this believed in thw bible alone.Protestantism is a true heresy and you expecting the Church to adhere to some new doctrines of heretics is a heesy i itself. but you see the Church of Rome iis the oilar and foundatuion of truth and thus can speak no erromor embrace doctrinal ero for the Holy Spirit abides in Her. Amen and i pray for you also that God my humble you and soften your heart that you may come to the fullness of truth in the Church of Christ.
Dear Wandile
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
What do you think of the infallible Pope, after seeing the papacy promoting two claimed to be skulls of the same “saint”?
Kindly write a short reply, and focus on this point only.
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
You wrote:
Sola Scriptura is a heresy from the reformation. no other Christians before this believed in the bible alone.
My reply:
From the reformation? Really.
To you really believe Moses came down from Mount Sinai, to tell the Jews that He would add something to the 10 commandments?
Ha ha ha ha ….Oh my I needed that laugh…thanks Ivar…can just see Moses sashaying down the Mountain…saying ‘this is what God said, I’m going to add something to it’….Idgits…yet we all were that blind before we too Repented and believed the Truth.
Wandile….I could pour Spaghetti Sauce on Horse Crap….and call it ”food for the gods”…(which the Catholic Church did and does)…but it’s still ‘crap’…and ya know what ”it still Stinks”…and anyone who has their senses exercised, they know Crap …it stunk in the Days of the Prophets and it stinks today…!! and every time people like you open your mouth with more of the Catholicism garbage dung…it puts off a perfume that only a maggot would like,…Repent Wandile you are on dangerous ground…
For the Love of God Flee from that or you too will be just kindling wood for the fires of Hell to be tormented forever and no one can buy a candle from a Catholic Church or Priest and get you transferred to Limbo…there is NO escape from Hell…Please listen !!
Hi Wandile,
You wrote: see that is where you are wrong. mary was an ever virigin. this is a doctrine still believed to this day by the oldest forms of christianity( Catholicism and Orthodxy) since the time of the apostles as its a teaching handed down by the apostles themselves. who better than them to trust?
My Comment: The Word of God is the complete truth. And the Word of God says Jesus did have siblings.
Matthew 12:46-47 – “While He was still speaking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. And someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.”
Matthew 13:55 – “Is not this the carpenters son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?”
How can you believe “man” instead of what God has written?
Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
The Word does not lie…here we see 4 half brothers and more than one Sisters…plural ”sisters” not sister..
Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Matthew 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
Yet the Catholic Church wants the world to believe that Mary was married a Virgin and remained a Virgin…even after she had Jesus…thus also disobeying The Word of God (The Law of Moses and the Prophets) on the wifely duties to their husband…thus to Joseph…for the Word says that Joseph did not touch her till ‘after’ the birth of Jesus…AND THE WORD DON’T LIE!
Ivar you said :
“Dear Wandile
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
What do you think of the infallible Pope, after seeing the papacy promoting two claimed to be skulls of the same “saint”?
Kindly write a short reply, and focus on this point only.”
The Pope is not infallible on his own accord. He is but a mere man, a bishop of Christ. The only time he ever speaks infallibly is when he speaks Ex Cathedra. the last time a Pope did this was a number of decades ago.
to deal with your question shortly as you asked :
The papacy can only speculate on the truth of who these skulls are. One of them is the saint in question. The Pope sternly reminds all Catholics that we are not bound to believe this or to venerate the saint. It is not a doctrine nor a dogma and hence it is not binding upon the faithful of the church. you may venerate the saint and his skull if you so wish.
Wandile, I pray your seared heart will read these words of The Lord and take them to heart! Leave the dead-mens bones of the Catholic Church..put your eyes on Jesus not the Pope
Jeremiah 5:21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
Jeremiah 5:22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
Jeremiah 5:23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.
Jeremiah 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
Jeremiah 5:25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
Ivar you wrote:
“From the reformation? Really.
Do you really believe Moses came down from Mount Sinai, to tell the Jews that He would add something to the 10 commandments?”
i don’t get your point. Nothing was added to the ten commandments.
Again i say that Sola scriptura is from the reformation and was formulated by Martin Luther. the earliest Christians had no bible and only had scriptures a fw decades after the resurrection. how did they practice Sola scriptura f there was no scripture????
they practiced what we Catholics do now —– Scripture (for them was the OT) along with the traditions handed down to them from the apostles.
“Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ”
2 Thessalonians 2:15
Amen
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
I wrote:
Do you really believe Moses came down from Mount Sinai, to tell the Jews that He would add something to the 10 commandments?”
Your reply:
i don’t get your point. Nothing was added to the ten commandments.
My comment:
You are a brave man, trying to defend what is wrong. But this kind of reply, shows that you are simply not interested in obeying the truth.
The Jews have kept the Torah in firm condition for 3.000 years. 98 per cent of the Words give to Moses and the Prophets are the same today. The scrolls of Qumran display a God who have faithful servants on Earth, who do not add “masala” to the instructions He gave them.
Mark 7:13
Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”
In regards to the Papacy, and his servants, there is only eternal shame, pain and agony in the pipeline. By your dogmas and traditions, you have tried your best to make the Word of God, the scriptures, null and void. You have twisted the scriptures, manipulated some verse, and made a mockery out of the true faith.
To Gloria and Andrea :
Those who deny Mary’s perpetual virginity most commonly refer to two texts:
Matthew 13:55-56: Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brethren James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all of his sisters with us?
Matthew 1:24-25: And Joseph rising up from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and took unto him his wife. And he knew her not till she brought forth her firstborn (Greek. prototokon) son: and he called his name Jesus. (Douay-Rheims)
first, we must understand that the term brother has a wide semantic range in Scripture. It can mean a uterine brother, an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother. In Genesis 13:8 and 14:12, we see one example of brother being used to describe an extended relationship: Abraham and Lot. Though they were actually uncle and nephew, they called one another “brother.” Moreover, in the New Testament, Jesus told us to call one another “brothers” in Matthew 23:8. The passage obviously does not mean to suggest that all Christians have the same physical mother
Second, if we examine more closely the example of James, one of these four “brothers of the Lord” mentioned in Matthew 13:55, we discover him to be a cousin or some other relative of Jesus rather than a uterine brother. For example, Galatians 1:18-19 informs us: “Then after three years I [Paul] went up to Jerusalem to visit Cephas, and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James the Lord’s brother.”
Notice, the “James” of whom Paul was speaking was both a “brother of the Lord” and an “apostle.” There are two apostles named James among the 12. The first James is revealed to be a “son of Zebedee.” He most likely would not be the “James” referred to because according to Acts 12:1-2 he was martyred very early on. Even if it was him, his father was named Zebedee, not Joseph
Paul is referring to the second James who was an apostle, according to Luke 6:15-16. This James is revealed to have a father named Alphaeus, not Joseph. Thus, James the apostle and Jesus were not uterine brothers.
The New Testament was not written when the Angel spoke to Mary and Joseph….but I understand that it is okay to rip out several other Books of the Old Testament in order to believe and justify the lies you chose to base your Eternal Destiny with…..obviously to follow the Pope, his priests, another Jesus and a false woman called Mary is more important to you than The Lord Jesus Christ. Sad truly very sad..and very frigthening! ….but hey remember these words Wandile…Remember them well for they are the ones YOU chose to use to Gloria and I and Ivar to Deny & Reject the Word of God !
now the second part of my reply to Andrea and Gloria :
Until Then
Scripture’s statement that Joseph “knew [Mary] not until she brought forth her firstborn” would not necessarily mean they did “know” each other after she brought forth Jesus. Until is often used in Scripture as part of an idiomatic expression similar to our own usage in English. I may say to you, “Until we meet again, God bless you.” Does that necessarily mean after we meet again, God curse you? By no means. A phrase like this is used to emphasize what is being described before the until is fulfilled. It is not intended to say anything about the future beyond that point. Here are some biblical examples:
* 2 Samuel 6:23: And Michal the daughter of Saul had no child to (until) the day of her death. (Does this mean she had children after she died?)
* 1 Timothy 4:13: Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes?)
* 1 Corinthians 15:25: For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. (Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? By no means! Luke 1:33 says, “he will reign over the house of Jacob forever and of his kingdom there shall be no end.”)
In recent years, some have argued that because Matthew 1:25 uses the Greek words heos hou for “until” whereas the texts I mentioned above from the New Testament use heos alone, there is a difference in meaning. The argument goes that Heos hou indicates the action of the first clause does not continue. Thus, Mary and Joseph “not having come together” would have ended after Jesus was born.
The problems with this theory begin with the fact that no available scholarship concurs with it. In fact, the evidence proves the contrary. Heos hou and heos are used interchangeably and have the same meaning. Acts 25:21 should suffice to clear up the matter: “But when Paul had appealed to be kept in custody for the decision of the emperor, I commanded him to be held until (Gk. heos hou) I could send him to Caesar.”
Does this text mean that Paul would not be held in custody after he was “sent” to Caesar? Not according to the biblical record. He would be held in custody while in transit (see Acts 27:1) and after he arrived in Rome for a time (see Acts 29:16). The action of the main clause did not cease with heos hou.
Sorry for the long
Matthew 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Wandlie,
God says: Romans 3:23 says 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
This verse DOES NOT say: For all have sinned, EXCEPT MARY
Wandalie,
You wrote: Jesus told us to call one another “brothers” in Matthew 23:8.
My Comment: That does not nullify the fact that Jesus had half siblings.
Matthew 12:46 While he was still speaking to the people, behold, HIS MOTHER AND HIS BROTHERS stood outside, asking to speak to him.
But based on your answers Wandalie, all can tell you have chosen to believe the lie of Catholics.
This one don’t want the Truth… between this one and the Pope not one Word of God do they want to hear other than their own lies! If they did, they’d repent and believe The Gospel of Jesus Christ instead of a Religion of Dead Bones and Idolatrous behavior when they are this hardened they even find excuses for the sickening molestation of little boys & girls and pregnant nuns. their hearts are hardened and their conscience are seared to the Word of Truth that is only in Jesus Christ….it’s okay for them to take from the poor and let the leaders walk around praying in the streets with long prayers in gold lavish robes to be the center of attention…they defend Lucifer’s Hell against The Lord of Glory! When they get if they do, get seriuos about their eternal destination they will turn to Jesus that is the ONLY way any of them ever get set free! May God give them the Gift of Repentance!
Andrea,
I just read an article this morning, where a priest said, “it is the often the teenage boys who seduce priests.”
To accuse young boys of this wickenedness, makes me sick, and a sign that Christ is coming very soon.
Romans 1
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Gloria, I fully understand what you are saying….between the conscious being seared like burnt piece of meat…and the devils that rules & leads these, it’s a wonder there’s any limited mercy in the world as it is. All their worldly set up to help others is only a farce as long as people continue to claim what they are (were) and not what The Lord says they are…it’s OK but the minute one gets a hold of The Gospel of Jesus Christ they will never be the same again! (smile)
Gloria I am sorry that your heart has to see and hear such filth yet it is only the heart that is molded by Our Lord can be of any help to any of the ones who really are seeking His Majesty! I use to wonder how knowledge could be painful, till The Lord opened my eyes to the loving heart He has toward all of these ‘sicko’s..and I too was no better for The Word says ‘If you broke one of the Commandments you are guilty of the all’….so when people ask me what did the Lord free me from what sin they want to know..I tell them look in His Word, from Genesis to Revelation and pick one,..(smile) Awesome huh…that we were enemies of The Lord our God and we’re put to work…..Finally ….(smile) and Gloria I just love the pay….”A Penny a Day”…! I think he is over paying me ! (smile)
Dear Andrea
Shalom.
One of the values of News That Matters, must be to treat deceived souls as a piece of china. Those who search for the truth, will be welcomed on this site.
But those who have rejected the truth, and have arrived to quarrel, they will be shown the door.
There are two major source of deception:
1. Islam:
The Koran teach lies about Jesus. His divinity as eternal God is rejected. Muhammad also told the Arabs that “god” had chosen them to be his people, and that they are the original Jews who came out of Egypt.
2. Roman Catholicism:
Multiple papal dogmas are based on lies. The main issue is that the humanity of Jesus is rejected. He has no human parents. Born by the Holy Spirit, and a sinless pagan goddess. Pure fiction.
In between, we encounter some false teachings here and there. Like the fake Prosperity gospel. There are also some false prophets, that must not be permitted to continue their falsehood.
Thank you for sharing I appreciate that…
Speaking about the Word of God to Sinners, and hearing/watching them come to Christ, is the greatest reward (all Glory goes to Jesus.) And this is why we should always pray, and never give up. Through prayer, and speaking of the Word, God continues to bless and show his mercy on many.
I have a sister in law who goes to hospitals, nursing homes to preach the Word of God. One day a muslim who had heard her speak about Christ walked up to her, and said, “Tell me about this Jesus that you believe in.”
That same day the man rejected everything that had to do with mohammed, and accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior. (All glory to Jesus forever and always.)
🙂
Amen…those times and the times in prayer are priceless!
Ivar you said :
“2. Roman Catholicism:
Multiple papal dogmas are based on lies. The main issue is that the humanity of Jesus is rejected. He has no human parents. Born by the Holy Spirit, and a sinless pagan goddess. Pure fiction.”
The Catholic Church has always taught:
•that Jesus is both God and man,
•that He has both a divine and human nature but that He is one person,
•that He always exists as God the Son, that He is equal to God the Father,
•that He was begotten of the Father; He is not a created being,
•that He was born as a human,
•that He died and rose again,
•that He ascended into heaven,
•that He will come again to judge the living and the dead,
•and that mankind’s salvation is through Christ alone.
The humanity of Jesus is a DOGMA taught by the Catholic Church since the beginning. it defended the Church of Christ against heresies like Monophysitism, Docetism and the Gnostic-Docets.
i don’t know who lied to you about Catholicism but we believe that Jesus had human parents Ivar. THEY WERE CALLED MARY AND JOSEPH.
A sinless pagan goddess? lol this one made me laugh!!!
Mary was sisnless through her immaculate conception for the specific purpose of her being the pure wom from which God will be housed! Jesus Christ our Lord! she was not sinless by her own doing but because of Jesus. this is why Jesus is her saviour too justlike everyone else!
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
Copies are difficult to discern. A counterfeit currency note looks almost the same an the true, and even have the same elements and graphics. But the validity of the look-a-like symbols are different.
Her are some few examples:
Roman Catholicism teach.
1. The Pope is the “Holy Father”.
1. The truth is that only God the Father is the Holy Father, and only him.
Conclusion: The Holy father of the Christians faith and the “Holy father” of the Roman Catholic religion are not the same.
2. The Pope say the mother of Jesus was ever virgin. Never had sex, and was born without sin.
2. The truth is that the mother of Jesus had many children, obviously had sex with her husband, and was born a sinner like all human beings.
Conclusion: The mother of Jesus of the Bible, and the mother of Jesus of the Roman Catholic religion are not the same.
3. The Pope say that the mother of Jesus is the “Queen of Heaven”
3. The truth is that the Hebrew Bible says the “Queen of heaven” is a pagan goddess, and that the use of this title provokes God of the Bible to anger.
Conclusion: The Queen of Heaven of the Bible and the Queen of heaven of the Roman Catholic religion are not the same. On is a pagan goddess, promoted as “holy” and the “Mother of God”.
4. The Pope says He is the replacement of “Christ” on Earth, the very “vicar of Christ”.
4. The truth us that the Holy Spirit is the only replacement for Jesus on the Earth, and that no man can claim to have this authority.
Conclusion: The Roman Catholic religion is a copy of the truth. They promote a carefully invented religion, that leads people into promotion of blasphemy and sin.
You better repent, or you will surely perish.
Sad you don’t even know the Gospel of Jesus Christ…how sad!! how sad!!
You said :
“First:
Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Paul never demanded that anyone should call him father. He said “I became your father”. Than is a radical different message. Nowhere, will you see anyone addressing Paul as “father Paul”. That would be a sin, and making a mockery of the instruction of Master Jesus.”
Discussion: In Matthew 23:9 Jesus says, “And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.” Many people interpret this to mean, “Do not call a priest “father,” and do not call your dad “father.” Some who hold this opinion go further and believe that calling a priest “father” is a sin because it directly violates a command from Jesus. Many Protestants make this a common objection against Catholicism.
If we believe these opinions, then what are we to make of the Scriptures that contradict this one? For example, in Mark 7:9-13, Jesus criticizes the Pharisees and scribes for not honoring their “fathers.” Furthermore, calling the apostles and their successors “father” was common within the early Christian communities (1 Cor. 4:15, 1 Jn. 2:12, Acts 7:2, 22:1). As in the case of all scriptural interpretations, we must understand this passage in light of the rest of Scripture (cf. 2 Pet. 1:20; 3:16). This interpretative principle is called the “analogy of faith” [Catechism of the Catholic Church (Catechism), no. 114].
First, as we’ve seen, the imperative “call no man father” does not apply to one’s biological father. It also doesn’t exclude calling one’s ancestors “father,” as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac
a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, “But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ” (Matt. 23:8–10).
Jesus is not forbidding us to call men “fathers” who actually are such—either literally or spiritually. (See below on the apostolic example of spiritual fatherhood.) To refer to such people as fathers is only to acknowledge the truth, and Jesus is not against that. He is warning people against inaccurately attributing fatherhood—or a particular kind or degree of fatherhood—to those who do not have it.
As the apostolic example shows, some individuals genuinely do have a spiritual fatherhood, meaning that they can be referred to as spiritual fathers. What must not be done is to confuse their form of spiritual paternity with that of God. Ultimately, God is our supreme protector, provider, and instructor. Correspondingly, it is wrong to view any individual other than God as having these roles.
sorry for the long post post. hope this helped.God be with you.
Dear Wandile
Shalom.
Even a child would have understood my comment. But Roman Catholic priest are not able, for an obvious reason. You have sold your souls to the devil.
Roman Catholic theology is the very art of explaining what Jesus said to be something different. And only the Pope shall be trusted.
I have decided to believe Jesus, and obey. You have not.
Amen for this one has truly sold their soul to Satan….sad but true…many appear as if they want the Truth when all they really want is to spread doubt and unbelief so the same devil that rules them will have an entrance to rule others…they don’t realize that to be a disciple of Lucifer is to be an Enemy of Jesus Christ!
so you say yet your exeisis is incoorect and historically inaccurate of the passage in question.
Ivar you need to do some theolical assesment of the passages you quote or else you will fall in to the trap of flse interperetation
to andere : Well salvation is for all who come to Christ not only in coffession but in humility and worshi. i hope you override your judgemental and close minded tendencies so that you may realise the truth that is right infront of you. the turht of Christ’s One Holy Catholic and A postolic Church
Sweetheart it’s very foolish to tell a Teacher to go learn something when what they are saying is Truth….it only shows that the ‘child is too big for his britches and soon will be caught one day in much distress and in all likelihood it will be that Teacher that they mocked or doubted, that The Lord lay on their heart to pray for them.. because HE knows that teacher knows the terror of the Lord & His Great love for that foolish child, and will weep in deep prayer for the foolish children playing with Fire! 42 Children died by She Bears just for calling Elisha ‘Old Baldy’…tsk tsk…when there is no fear of God foolish mouths say many dangerous things.
1Kings 14:13 And all Israel shall mourn for him, and bury him: for he only of Jeroboam shall come to the grave, because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel in the house of Jeroboam.
If you look at this scripture you’ll also see another ”gold nugget”…”because in him there is found some good thing toward the LORD God of Israel….” The Lord is so awesome HE sees that which is good and reveals it to His people ..that we too may pray for that person…Wow…
Wandile,
Jesus walked among men, not requiring them to study a catechism to know Him. Put down the books of other men and place your trust in Jesus alone.
Kay
This is what the world calls Christians. I do not want to be listed among the so called christians, so for now on In will call myself a Messianic. Yah Shua Christ HaMashiach means Yah’s Salvation. He is my Lord, Saviour, King and High Priest. My only Priest. He tells us to never call anyone upon the face of this earth our father, for we have but one father and His name is Yah. We do not confess our sins to a sinful man, but to Yah alone. Only our Father and Yah Shua can forgive sins and they are one and the same. The Roman Catholic Church is the anti christ power upon this earth and the pope himself is the Antichrist. Follow him only at the peril and condemnation of your soul.
The World can not change what a Christian is by their deadly poison, but we as Christians are lined up with those who were first called Christians…just like Jesus said,….many are called but few are chosen….
Acts11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Matt 25:36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me, then you made me crawl through the streets.
Matt 25:40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
??? adding to the Scriptures is a very dangerous thing to do..
CORRECT VERSE…
Matthew 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
I laugh at all of you when you quote scriptural passages! The very product put together by the Roman Catholic Church. Do you realize that the people who put together your New Testament were Catholic Bishops.
Do you realize that you accept that their decision was inspired by the Holy Spirit?
Do you realize that Martin Luther, a Catholic priest, got his Bible from the Catholic Church, tore out seven books, and invented the first protestant Bible, something that hadnt existed since Christ built his Church on the rock, nor did it exist before that.
By accepting martin Luther’s decision to remove the Apocrypha(Deuterocanonicals), you are saying that the people who put together your New Testament, made a mistake, and Martin Luther, infallibly corrected that mistake. (“Even Martin Luther called the Letter of James “an epistle of straw,”…)
He also had harsh words for the Revelation of St. John, saying that he could “in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it.”
from his Table Talk Contents) In his translation of the New Testament, Luther moved Hebrews and James out of the usual order, to join Jude and the Revelation at the end, and differentiated these from the other books which he considered “the true and certain chief books of the New Testament. “)
You believe this, which has no Scriptural support, yet you claim the Bible to be the sole authority.
You trust Luther the the priest who violated his promise of celibacy to God, and married a runaway nun who also took a vow of chastity, a man who instituted the faith alone Doctrine, a Doctrine condemned by Scripture and by our Lord himself, a man who even changed certain words of Scripture when he invented the Protestant Bible, a error of his, that protestants later had to correct.
Plus many of you might be quoting King James Verison of the Bible! Also a Catholic product! In England today the COMPLETE KJV does have the Apocrypha/Deuterocanonicals. In fact, it is illegal in the UK to print one without them. I admit, however, it’s tricky to find a complete KJV in USA! So funny how you all use quotes of scripture which Chapters, verses, and ect……were all made by the Roman Catholic Church!!! Hahaha
Dear Michael
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
My guess is that you are trying to be critical to the doctrine of Sola scripture, as the highest authority in matters of faith.
First: What else do you want to add to scripture, to get the perfect revelation from God?
If you are here to debate, please answer me.
I’ve read c**p from the catholic church. No way they wrote the bible. Probably stole the writings from the early christians and locked them away in the vatican basement yes, but they didn’t write the bible. Martin Luther translated into other languages, against the catholics laws. From the Hebrew and the Greek, not Latin, catholics do everything in Latin. Not by himself either, he was smuggling the documents to others, liberating them from the oppression of the Catholic church.
Where is your Source for such a claim???? Hmmm??? As a former protestant, I think one big reason is that we didn’t seem to attach the label “catholic” to guys like Poycarp or Origen, hence there is a tendency to not give credit to “Catholicism” for early christian thought. Also, as history shows, protestant thinkers had their own ideas later on about the contents of the scriptural canon. And, also, to be fair, credit for the OT rightly goes to Jewish tradition. Basically the catholic church is who determined canon of the bible (determined what books were correct and were not). At this time there were many forgeries and heretical teachinmgs/books and the church confirmed in the council which were the correct books and formed the holy bible in the 4th Century!!!
To Ivar!
The Protestants have seven less books. The Christian Church always and everywhere included them in their canons up until the European Protestants decided that the Jewish canon – which also excludes the New Testament – would be their Old Testament.
The Protestants refused to include those seven books for several reasons, two of which are: 1) they are not accepted by the Jews and 2) they teach doctrines that go against Protestantism.
Well, the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were written between 250 BC and 70 AD included the deuterocanonical books (Google Dead Sea Scrolls).
The city of Alexandria in Egypt possessed the greatest library of the ancient world and during the reign of Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285-246 BC), a translation of the entire Hebrew Bible into Greek was begun by 70 or 72 Jewish scholars (6 from each of the 12 tribes). The Septuagint is Latin for 70 (this is why the Septuagint is often referred to as LXX). Greek was the common language at the time and Hebrew was dying out and being replaced by Aramaic. This is further evident by the fact that we know that the Jews at the time of Christ were quiet familiar with the Aramaic language as well as the Greek. The Hebrew canon (where Protestants get their Bible) was established by Jewish rabbis at Jamnia Palestine in about the year 100 AD. The Jews at Jamnia rejected the seven books from the Hebrew canon (found in the LXX) chiefly on the grounds that they could not find any Hebrew versions of these books which the LXX supposedly translated into Greek. These Rabbis used 4 criteria to determining which books would be included in their new canon:
1) It had to be written in Hebrew
2) It had to conform with the Torah
3) It had to be older than the time of Ezra (400 BC)
4) It had to have been written in Palestine
During the time that these Rabbis were trying to compile their new canon, the relatively new cult of Christianity was growing among the Jews and Gentiles alike. The majority of these upstarts continued to use the Greek translation (the LXX) and this caused great concern amongst the Rabbis who viewed this new religion as a threat to Judaism. A separation needed to take place between the ancient Jewish religion and Christianity, and this new canon was a good place to take a stand.
Here are some others facts concerning the LXX that Protestants never seem to like to bring up:
1) Martin Luther actually included the 7 books in his first German translation.
2) The first King James Version (1611) included them as well.
3) The first Bible ever printed, the Guttenberg Bible (printed a century BEFORE the council of Trent) included them.
4) Luther in his writings on the New Testament, noted that the books of Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation were inferior to the rest, and they followed “the certain, main books of the New Testament.” In 1519, this same attitude fueled his debate against Johannes Eck on the topic of purgatory. Luther undermined Eck’s proof text of 2 Maccabees 12 by devaluing the deuterocanonical books as a whole. He argued that the New Testament authors had never quoted from the seven books, so they were in a different class than the rest of the Bible (never mind the fact that eight other Old Testament books such as the Song of Songs were also not quoted in the New Testament).
5) These seven books were included in almost every Bible until the Edinburgh Committee of the British Foreign Bible Society excised them in 1825. Until then, they had been included at least in an appendix of Protestant Bibles. It is historically demonstrable that Catholics did not add the books, Protestants took them out.
Now this is called Research and Sources which some of you don’t do!!!
Did you enjoy that? Other than revealing your need for Jesus Christ I really don’t know the purpose of you wasting so much time in typing all of that malarkey….Bottom line Sweetheart ‘You’ don’t know Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior….now that is a laughing matter to the demons of Hell, but it is truly a very sad fact to those who pray you will choose Jesus before it is too late…
Do I have to answer of how I know that I am saved? Can you tell me if you know that I am ‘saved’? Is there any sign or criteria to it?
Let say a person accepted Christ. Subsequently he experienced sincere hunger for righteousness. He lived a life that pattern after the life of Jesus. He lived a life that was confirming excellently to 2 Pet 1:4-11. He continued to live this life for 30 years, one day without fail.
Then his wife died suddenly and he lost his job. He could not get over it. In the course of trying to recover after experiencing his sudden misfortune, he became ‘stray’ and mixed with wrong company because it so happened that these people were there for him at that oppurtune moment. He eventually delved into sin and became non-believer.
Is this person saved?
or this I ‘ve heard!!!
I once asked someone who professed OSAS whether, if Billy Graham were to go on a one-day spree of robbery and murder after his long life spent bringing people to Christ, would he be saved?
The answer was that, in that case, he had never been saved to begin with!
“I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Savior.” This makes it sound like the “magic words” that unlock the gates of Heaven. And, in my searching days, I met several people who seemed to think that those words were some kind of formula for salvation. Where is that in the Bible?
Michael, many know of The Lord, many have an extreme knowledge of Him. He knows who are His regardless of questions their salvation. As for the examples you spoke of I have heard them many times over the years. I’m about to fall asleep here, so I’ll put this on the shelf till I can write with less gibberish as my fingers slide across the keys.
Before I go, though, I have not found anywhere that says ‘I accept Jesus Christ my personal Savior. yet it is an acceptable question and in some denominations it’s expected as a requirement. Jesus said ‘Repent and Believe’ …his Disciples also said the same ‘Repent and Believe’…You don’t have to do 7 Hail Mary’s and swing a bloody headless-chicken over your head while reciting the Lords’ prayer or any other such man made rhetoric.
It’s simple ‘Believe in your heart …you and your house shall be saved’….
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Michael,
Your comment: I accept Jesus Christ as my personal Savior.” This makes it sound like the “magic words” that unlock the gates of Heaven. And, in my searching days, I met several people who seemed to think that those words were some kind of formula for salvation. Where is that in the Bible?
My comment:—Acts 13:38-39 Let it be known to you therefore, brothers, that through this man forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and by him everyone who believes is freed from everything from which you could not be freed by the law of Moses.
As to you obvious love of the roman Catholic church, they are guilty of many sins, with idolatry being at the very forefront.
I always wonder why Catholics cannot turn away from praising statues and dead bones. It is clear in the Word of God this is something not of God, but of man and filled with evil.
God stated it early on. Exodus 20:3-6 “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Then he stated it again.
1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
Jonah 2:8 Those who pay regard to vain idols forsake their hope of steadfast love.
And again.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In various forms. Yet, the pope, catholics, and other false religions refuse to ignore God, and continue praising something that is dead, and can do nothing for you.
But thank you Jesus for you are ALIVE AND COMING SOON!
Question:-
Why do so many “protestants” get disillusioned, and become romanists instead?
Answer:-
Because they didnt have an encounter with Almighty God, there was no fire, no power, no presence (of Almighty God at any rate)
In the shrines and temples they once went to to worship in there was no conviction of sin, righteousness or judgement. No proper preaching of the full gospel of salvation healing and deliverance. Rather, bible criticism, lots of theological opinions and social events. God never changes, He is the same yesterday, today, and forever more. When he speaks the earth shakes.
Even now, today as I type, the xian chuirches of the western world have become dry, dead, empty; revelling in their many and varied forms of godliness that deny the power therof. Empty ways of life handed down to us by our forefathers (especially patristic and also rabbinic ones…) Taken captive by hollow and deceptive philosphy that depends on human tradition rather than on Christ. Compromising with worldiness, revelling in entertainment, tolerating, condoning, even celebrating sin and unrighteous lifestyle choices….Rife with anti semitism, false prophecy, jezebel and replacement theology. Our God is a consuming fire….
The trump card of the romanist stiff necked proud and arrogant bigot has been, and always will be, the threat (or eventual actuality) of violence, torture and death directed at dissenters. It is a religion of oppression and voodoo induced deceptions. Yeshua WONT be setting foot on the 7 hills of rome, rather he will descend onto the Mount of Olives in Israel. Rome is not the centre of the world. The pope is not the head of the church.
Shalom, Jonathan
Amen!
As I said to someone earlier tonight..
I am thoroughly convinced that roman catholicism is actually Voodoo…..
Its a tad difficult to see the difference between Voodoo and catholicism..
October 8, 2013 at 3:07 am
Wandile, in defending the perpetual virginity of Mary, says that the the brothers and sisters in Matthew 13:55-56 are not actually brothers and sisters of Jesus. If Matthew 13:55-56 was written about anyone else no one would have a problem with them being a person’s brothers and sisters. That is the understanding you get from reading the verses.
The problem that arises isn’t from the wording, the text. The problem comes from Catholicism having an issue with Jesus having brothers and sisters. Wandile then goes on to say that the word for brother could mean spiritual brother or extended relative. Well, it could be used for a figurative brother, but you would only try to use that if you had a problem with Mary not having other children. Without believing in an ever virgin Mary there is no reason to take the words to mean other than what they say.
The problem isn’t in the writing or translation of the Bible. The problem is in the doctrine of the Catholic church.
Wandile also wrote,
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“In Genesis 13:8 and 14:12, we see one example of brother being used to describe an extended relationship: Abraham and Lot. Though they were actually uncle and nephew, they called one another “brother.”
End quote.
It doesn’t say they called each other brother, Abraham said they were brethren, which they were, related.
Wandile goes on to quote Galatians 1:18-19.
“Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
Gal 1:19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.”
Because the word apostle is used in describing James, Wandile says Paul is writing about James, the son of Alphaeus and isn’t referring to James, the Lord’s brother. The term apostle isn’t always about the twelve. Barnabas and Paul are called apostles in Acts.
Act 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
An apostle is an ambassador for Christ. There were twelve original apostles but they weren’t the only ones called an apostle. From reading the Bible it looks like James, the Lord’s brother, became one also, along with Barnabas, Paul and who knows who else was.
The Catholic church has painted itself into a corner with doctrines that were developed over time and it can’t disown those doctrines without making a mess or have it’s house begin to crumble. So, it will continue to stand by them. One thing a person can count on is the Word of God. We, as Christians, have a teacher. Jesus told us about Him.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
All we have to do is be willing to respond to the reproof of the Lord.
Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
All this Skeleton worship all seems rather silly and macabre…as well as contrary to decent common sense…
Oh well, satan has had the victory with all those poor decieved people within catholicism