An historic agreement has been drafted between Israel and the Vatican.
Op-Ed: Exclusive: A Seat for the Pope at King David’s Tomb:
The Israeli authorities have granted the Pope an official seat in the room where the Last Supper is believed to have taken place, on Mount Zion in Jerusalem, and where David and Solomon, Jewish kings of Judea, are considered by some researchers, to also be buried.
It is the culmination of a long campaign by the Catholic Church to regain religious stewardship over the place where Jesus is supposed to have broken bread and drunk wine with his disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.
This is an enormous issue pushed through without any public debate.
According to our sources, the agreement, which is expected to be ratified next June, gives the Pope a “special authority” over the second floor of the building, so that Christian pilgrims will be able to celebrate religious functions like Pope John Paul did in 2000.
The agreement constitutes Israel’s capitulation to the Vatican’s efforts to “Christianize” the holy site, like when a Catholic convent was built in Auschwitz.
The Catholic Church has long wanted control over part of the area on Mt. Zion so as to turn it into an international religious center for Catholics. The blueprint of the agreement reads as follows: “The Vatican hands over this use of the Cenacle to the Custody of the Holy Land which will keep the Cenacle open from 6 AM to 8 AM for the celebration of the Holy Mass”.
In the long term, the gesture will increase tensions between Jews and the large assets of the Vatican. The Church has long been working to reduce Jewish rights in Jerusalem and in the Old City. Now, after the Muslim Waqf authority expelled the Christians from the Temple Mount and turned it into a mosque, it’s the turn of the Vatican to lay its hands on the Jewish Jerusalem.
The Custody of the Holy Land, the Franciscan order who, with Vatican approval, is in charge of the holy sites, campaigns with the Arabs against Israel.
As far back as May 2000, Yasser Arafat met Islamic and Christian clergymen at the presidential offices in Ramallah to back Palestinian Arab sovereignty over Jerusalem.
Among the clergymen who attended the meeting, Diodoros I, patriarch of the Greek Orthodox Church, Torkom II, patriarch of the Armenian Orthodox Church, Catholic Patriarch Michel Sabbah and officials from the Custody of the Holy Land.
“An official meeting took place in Ramallah, Palestine, at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the State of Palestine”. This is the official note of the Vatican press office about the meeting between the Catholic officials and the PLO representatives which took place this week.
The Vatican is also asking that Israel hand over to the Vatican’s control dozens of sites, 19 in Judea and Samaria and 28 in Jerusalem. The Catholic Church want to discuss some properties on Mount of Olives, Har Hazeitim, which is the very history of the Jewish people. If you want to keep Jerusalem united, you have to keep Har Hazeitim. The Vatican knows that.
In 1989 charges were made by the Catholic authorities that Israel desecrated the Cenacle on Mount Zion. The charges, which appeared in the Italian bishops’ newspaper Avvenire, said that the Israelis put a memorial plaque on the roof of the Cenacle.
The plaque was put in place after the 1948 War of Independence in memory of soldiers who fell in the Old City and whose burial place was unknown. Every year, the bereaved families cleaned the plaque.
Why did the Catholic authorities complain?
Last year a similar charge was made from the Catholic authorities that Israel wants to “Judaize” Mount Zion.
Should the Vatican gain sovereignty over Mount of Zion, millions of Christian pilgrims will flock to the site, and this will threaten the Israeli presence in the Old City’s Jewish Quarter and Jewish access to the Western Wall.
The Vatican wants the Jews out of the Old City and apparently Israel’s government is agreeing with them. Turning the Cenacle into an active church is also a way of desecrating the holiness of the site known as the Tomb of David.
The Vatican and the Palestinian Liberation Organization expressed a common position in the Basic Agreement of 15 February 2000, intended to support the recognition of a special statute for the City of Jerusalem.
In the memorandum, signed by Vatican officials and the PLO, an organization dedicated to the mass deportation of Israel’s Jews, the Catholic Church wants Israel relinquishing sovereignty at the Western Wall and the Temple Mount. The Vatican-PLO agreement’s preamble on Jerusalem shows that the Vatican’s attitude on Israel’s capital is still stuck in the unforgivable anti-Semitic rhetoric of the 1940s.
Until 1948, Christian access to the Cenacle was severely limited, because it was used as a mosque. Since then, the State of Israel is committed to protecting the holy places of all religions, and guaranteeing the right of worship for all faiths.
But no Israeli government must tolerate any policy of division, “shared control” or “internationalization” that opens the door to a return to the Arab apartheid of Jordanian occupation between 1948 and 1967.
Jerusalem is not for sale. For thousands of years, the Cenacle area was almost always totally closed off to Jews.
Sovereignty over Mount Zion is politics, not only religion. The day after the Pope celebrated a mass on Mt. Zion in 2000, he went to Yasser Arafat headquarter to support the Palestinians’ right to return.
A few months later, the Oslo war began. And Jews were sacrified again on the altar of “peace”. It was their last supper.
This week, the Vatican in its official documents began referring to the “State of Palestine”.
Giulio Meotti
The writer, an Italian journalist with Il Foglio, writes a twice-weekly column for Arutz Sheva. He is the author of the book “A New Shoah”, that researched the personal stories of Israel’s terror victims, published by Encounter. His writing has appeared in publications, such as the Wall Street Journal, Frontpage and Commentary.
Source: Israeli National News.com
My comment:
Do not mix up Catholicism with the Christian faith.
Since the reformation, most Evangelical Christians have correctly belled the Pope as an antichrist.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-7
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
This article is just another example that the Catholic faith is an anti-Zionist faith. It is simply impossible for God of Israel to support anti-Zionism.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-10
For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
The Pope is also a supporter of the PLO. The late Pope also kissed a Koran.
What more do you need to understand that both Islam and the Catholic faith has nothing to do with God of Israel?
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One small step for the Vatican, one giant leap toward the Antichrist!
That is pretty momentous!
This is a prophetically important tidbit, as the Scriptures says that Jerusalem will “again” be under the feet of “heathens”…and there are no more heathen system than the mother of harlots and ugliness on the entire globe.
Trampling under foot, the Holy Land, has been predicted to occur!
Please, do not associate Catholics with the PLO or the Muslims. Their intentions are completely opposite.
Francine. The Roman Catholic Church believes in the same deity as the muslims. Actually islam was created by the RCC. Don’t be fooled.
Islam was not created, it was revealed. The Quran, in it’s original Arabic, cannot be tampered, cannot even change one letter in the Quran.Scientists themselves have been studying this book and have said that it could come from no other than a higher power, GOD! http **edited**
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An earlier pope sent a nun to set up the muslim faith . It is documented fact . How can the quran be from Almighty God . He despises the core values of this belief . Paedophilia , blowing up your children , jihad , etc. etc. Do not insult Almighty God . He will deal with you .
@ Mike lol I don’t know where your documented “fact” came from, but it is untrue.As for pedophilia, didn’t happen. That is a zionist rumor. As for God despising the Quran, you have never read it, unless you read Arabic, so how can you give that opinion?YOU are insulting God Almighty. YES HE WILL DEAL WITH US ALL.So, they really gotcha with all of that brain washing 911 hate all muslims crap smh
Jobi: Revelation demands truth. Islam is a lie. The same applies to Roman Catholicism. Your allegations about science is easily disproven. Actually the “perfect” Arabic of the Quran is at best infantile, and poor, according to Arab specialists.
Nor i “Allah” God, and cannot even be translated “God”, but merely “the god”.
Jobi: Your allegations are lies. Utter lies. The sources come from former jesuit Alberto Rivera.
I am not lying.You believe what the Zionists would like, but I am quite correct, and we shall see come Judgement Day.Muslims, like Christians believe Jesus, peace be upon Him and His Holy Mother,will return. Did you know that? NO, because the Zionist media prefers that Christians hate Muslims. There is more profit in lies than truth for them
You ought to know better. Muslims believe in Isa, not Yeshua, the only born son of God.
Yeshua’s mother rests in her grave, and will rise on the final day, she is neither more holy or better than any other sinner. Only the Roman Catholic harlot and islam believes in the crap about Miryam being borned sinless.
No true zionist and Messianic believer hates muslim. But we hate islam, because Islam comes from Ha-satan.
Maybe you think you are not lying, but you are lying still. Because what you say is in conflict with the Word of God – The Bible – which is always right.
And since you refer to the Quran, you emphasize this, since the Quran is a blatant lie from the first letter to the last letter.
Jobi,
The muslims believe in a jesus not of the Bible. It was a lie created by Mohammed, a sinner who did horrible crimes.
JESUS CHRIST said if you do not believe in HIM, you will die in your sins. Remember that and repent.
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
John 8:24 – “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”
What’s more, Gloria, islam teaches this: “Allah has no son. Do not say: “Allah has a son”, worship Allah, and only Allah”. This disqualifies islam as bearer of the truth.
Amen Lars!
The truth which is Jesus Christ.
Right on, brother Lars!
correct,lars
Catholicism is a false religion. You are about to find that out. Or just google it and pray.
Catholics worship statues and idols. They pray to mary….. God will destroy the city on 7 hills. Look it up. all you catholics have been hoodwinked. Sorry………its true.
True, Muslims like to blow Jews up whilst the catholic preference is burning at the stake.
Biblical prophecy unfolding right in front of our eyes!! God is good and true to His Word! EVERY eye shall see HIM! I am praising GOD everyday for opening my eyes to HIS WORD and TRUTH! For also opening my eyes and taking me out of this wicked lying religion! Pray for those still snared in this trap!
Amen!!! Jesus is COMING!!!!!!!
Anywhere in New Testament is holy land mentioned?
Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Daniel 11:31
And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
Israel will surely regret if this actually happens so.
Vatican can no longer accept Israel as its patner as they believe in only one God
Surely the pope knows this room is not the room of the last supper, it is an upstairs room and Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70AD, this room and the so called Via Dolarosa are mede up places more than likely by Catholic religious people. Why would you want a seat in it anyway, Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and His Spirit lives in true believers, who needs a seat in some old room when a seat at the wedding feast will be much better,
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Amen, tom. Religion BLINDS…….I am not sure the pope is aware of what you just stated…
The Viia Dolorosa is by no means false. The road of suffering is the road Jesus walked along from the castle of Antonia to Gulgoleth, on the top of Mount Olives, where he was crucified side by side the sin offering altar, the Miphkad Altar.
That said, however, it is not the same as what is called “Via Dolorosa” in Jerusalem today, nor did Jesus die or was buried in the Church of the Holy Sepulchure, nor in the Garden Tomb.
That is true Tom!
We save a GOD who is able to fight for himself! He indeed will be in Control of this sad situation! AMEN and AMEN
@ rosemary: i think you’re trying to say We ‘serve” a God who is able… not “save”. He is more than able.
How does one Judaicize a mountain or anything else? It is in Judea, the land of the tribe of Judah, son of Jacob and Jesus. What is more Israeli than that? He is the Lion of the tribe of Judah, has inherited King David’s throne by blood, and is soon coming soon as King of Kings. NO ONE sits on that throne but Him as Lord and the Jewish Messiah.
I dont get anything anymore
So the Pope will be kicking out the anti-Christ out of Jerusalem? That’s a big stretch! Israhell is still a British military compound and there is no freaking way the Queen of the NWO Empire, would submit her colony to some cleric, be it the Pope!
When The Vatican loooong time ago created islam, its goal was to capture and control Jerusalem. This because they KNOW that Peter never went to Rome (Peter’s tomb was discovered in Jerusalem about 60 years ago). But the daughter turned against the mother, and stole the city.
However, as the Bible says, Jerusalem shall be trodden under the feet of the heathen (Roman-Catholic Church & Islam) – and then the end shall come.
Then Yeshua will rule from Jerusalem, with a rod of iron, and all countries who will not come to celebrate Succot in Jerusalem, will not have rain.
That will be a glorious day, and I can barely imagine Bergen, Brekke in Sogn, Seattle Washington, in those days … no rain!
A bunch of edomites and ishmaelites posing as The Most High’s people. “How long Father will your people be subject to these heathen? How long father will they trodden down our land?
And so it is written
As an Antichrist is different from THE Antichrist.
Hypothetically, the Antichrist will possess these three character traits.
He may be ushered by religious zealots who are beckoning a Messiah to Come, eg… Some Sects push hard for a Messiah to come.
1. He will be an Atheist and a Secular
2. He may come from the Tribe of Judah or Dan , A Jewish
3. He may have not desire of Women or could be a Gay as Ezekiel mentions no desire of Women.
How in the world would you expect the AntiMessiah to be Atheist? Never! He will be ultra religious, just in the opposite manner of true, biblical faith.
He may claim to come from the tribe of Judah or Dan, but that doesn’t mean he will be. For instance: Prince Charles, who has been called Antichrist by several, claims to be a direct descendant of both king David – and Mohammed…
But point 3, that sounds quite reasonable.
For the Above Reasons.
1. The antichrist cannot and will not be the Pope
2. The antichrist cannot and will not be the Obama
Jaye Jaye M
Shalom, and thanks for your comments. You wrote:
1. The antichrist cannot and will not be the Pope
2. The antichrist cannot and will not be the Obama
My comment:
Let us not mix the Pope with Obama.
1. The Pope is an antichrist, because he claim’s to be “the Holy father”. You have only one “Holy Father”, and He is Our Father God in Heaven.
2. The Pope is an antichrist, because he claims to be the very “replacement of Christ” on Earth, the “Vicar of Christ”. The only replacement for Jesus on Earth, is the Holy Spirit. If you sin against the Holy Spirit, you have committed a mortal sin, that will never be forgiven.
The Popes are all lawless men, religious leaders doomed for destruction. Stay away from falsehood, promoted by the Vatican.
excellent reply
I agree with you. I know obama is not the antichrist, it seems like people on you tube have gone looney. Anyhow, I do believe that Obama is who was used to usher us toward globalization. The thing that I find weird is that as time goes on the satanism that is hidden behind the worship of paganism in this country, becomes more apparent and it’s starting with the big people, the entertainers and government and now it’s leaking out to the people, who seems to not realize that they are worshipping these people when they participate in the activities of these groups. It gave me an eerie feeling knowing what happened at the superbowl this year. I watched the superbowl out of curiosity and I have to say I was feeling sick before it ended. Then I watched the one from the year before and I was shocked at the worshipping she did while on stage to the egyptian God she worshipped. Her faith is evident in what you see. As well as beyonce, and Jayz and all these other politicians and entertainers. It’s clear they’ve come for souls.
President George H.W. Bush, speech to Congress, March 6, 1991. “NEW WORLD ORDER …(with truth be known that plan was instituted long before the illustrious Senior Pharaoh Bush, and all the following Pharaohs have picked up the ‘Brief Case’ of orders and thrown down the gauntlet with each Election!! (these evils are not new by no means, they are just released millions of their demon counter-parts to run more rampant as the last days draw to a full ‘Take – Over’ and then to a close for the Lawless one…
as also the TV, other forms of entertainment pushing to draw people into the Walking Dead, Zombies, Vampires and of course all of it including ”food” pushes the Sex agenda….then squawks about pushing the limit on actress’s dresses whom change ‘sexual partners more often than the U.S.Navy changes their drawers! All public figures, leaders even major churches condone ‘partners and less marriages’ the only reason homosexuals, lesbians trans what ever want a marriage license is to thwart it in the faces of the last vestment of the bases of decency…even the Bubba’s succumb to the form of marriage if pushed but these lawless, moral-less, degenerate leaders and their followers who have no spine to stand up in the face of blasphemy to SHOUT UNCLEAN, BLASPHEMY…yet when one does stand up there’s more of the shouts from the ‘herd that screams you hurt my feelings’…God knows my heart…yes He does ‘it’s blackened as soot’…if we don’t repent we’ll see more invitations to the Pit of Hell than we see the dainty Christian ladies with dyed hair, piercings tattoos so much it’s hard to see the real Woman or Man…with all the fluff, stuffed butts, stuffed lips, breasts implants and lets not forget the all favorite….the Race Card…and that’s ”all Races” shouting…
Yes navaura ….it’s down right evil out in the World…it’s only seems Okay when people keep their mouths shut! yet that’s a lie too!
And now we see ”the phrase ”The Pope is the Holy Father here on Earth”….hahahaha…so ‘he QUIT….hmmm .reckon pops was not up to the task of herding in his flock….so he ran out on them like all ”hirelings” have and will…leaving them to the Wolves…
Thank The Lord Jesus Christ HE and HIS Apostles and Disciples and all True Christians WILL NOT QUIT…we will run the Race till the end…
And the AntiChrist will, as it were, have his foundation in Europe. That is the recreated Roman Empire.
YOU EITHER BELIEVE SCRIPTURE OR YOU DON’T – there are false versions in circulation and it is very clear what the bible says about False Prophets in Ezekiel 13 and Revelation 22 – 18 – 19 clearly deals with those who add or subtract from scripture.
In the dreadful day of God’s Wrath He will deal with us all including the leaders of the Catholic church and those who collude with them against God’s chosen people.
IT IS WRITTEN!!!!
PSALM 9 – 10
And those who know Your name will put their trust in You;
For You, Lord, have not forsaken those who seek You.
Baruch ha ba b’shem Adonai – SHALOM
A gay pagan zionist ! sounds like the anti-christ is a “new age” budhist freemason, who with help from the high priests the Rothschilds will be bankrolled by the globalists . No wounder satan will and is fooling many ! “even the elite” ?
Gay, maybe. Pagan. Absolutely? Zionist – not likely. Because he hates Israel.
Zionism was founded by Nathan Birmbaum in 1893 and formed by the Jacob Frank Sabbateans, and Adam Weishaupt Alluminati, via infiltrateing the Freemasons to destroy Orthodox Judaism with the use of their puppet Theodor Herzl . The state of Isreal is owned and financed by the Rothschilds who collaborated wth the Catholic Jesuits .OF course GOD permits all this deceit to take place, so satan can have his moment of glory, before he casts him and his assistants in the fire ! ps: this is all well documented for those who love the truth
You don’t even know the meaning of the words. ZIonism equals patriotism, and is not founded by anyone. Now the Zionist World Conference was founded, but that is a political body consisting of people who love Israel.
It is also written that he who does not believe on the only begotten Son of God is condemned, not going to be saved later, but condemned. period!
Why are Christian Religions always nit picking and fighting among themselves?? They should all unite and pull in the same direction to PRAISE JESUS CHRIST!!! Now is the time for all Christians to respect the differences among each other and Unite against the ones determined to destroy us.BECOME UNITED AND STAND UP FOR JESUS CHRIST!!! ALL FOR ONE AND ONE FOR ALL!!! PRAISE OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!
Mike: That is absolutely true. The Roman Catholic Church sent Hadiijah, who chose the paedophile and epileptical moron Mohammad as a “prodigy” to use in the creation of islam.
You are an ignorant lot if you believe such nonsense. You have absolutely no knowledge of what you speak. To you shall be a punishment for these accusations. I am sure now that no one who has responded is even slightly educated
The Bible clearly states that the Roman Catholic Church is the great harlot and the mother of all evil and ugly things in the world (Revelation 17).
About punishment. We’ll see. But I think you will be disappointed.
Jobi,
Those that believe in Christ and have given their hearts to him, accepting him as their Savior will be in the kingdom of heaven.
There are many “hardened” hearts out there, and you are one of them. You are blind and cannot see that you follow a filthy man like mohammed, who used the Word of God to twist and suit his needs.
Those like you who do not accept Christ as their Savior will spend an eternity in hell. That is simply what it boils down to.
Ephesians 4:18 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.
If the birth of Zion happend in 1948 then what is spoken of in Romans 8 and Revelation 12 is null and void .
The Bible is NEVER null and void. Nothing that God says can ever be nullified, and made void.
Zion was not born in 1948, but in the beginning. The modern state Medinat Yisrael was recreated as a political unity in 1948, but Israel as a nation has existed since 1491 BC.
Please explain the un-fulfilled prophecys in Romans 8 and Revelation 12 if the re-gathering took place in 1948 ? useing the Bible and please stay with the subject of zionism as Jacob was the begining of Isreal whitch is a belief and not a people ?
The regathering of Israel goes in stages. The final regathering comes with the regathering of the lost ten tribes, who’s scattered all over the world.
It is the good shepherd {JESUS CHRIST} that re-gathers the sheep and rules over them ,are you saying that Rothschilds is your shepherd? ps: A patriot is one that loves his country and a zionist is one who believes the “Jewish people” have bean re-gatherd according to prophecy .Can you please use scripture to support todays zionist state of Isreal? thankyou
Catholics are not Christians,they are Catholics,their gods are many,every spirit they pray to is yet another god.They deny God and the saving Blood of Christ,in fact the catholic leader so called a pope says he is Christ in the flesh(vicar of christ) Blasphemy..they worship a wafer ,and they think that is how they receive Christ,and do not know Him.hoinoring Him with their lips and theur hearts are far from Him,yes,the pope seeks worship,they bow to him,kissing his ring ,calling him most holy father,only God is Holy Father…This dude fits 2Thess.2:3-7 anf catholicism is the harlot in Rev.17.What is the Harlot/whore?Spiritual adultery,unfaithful to God and His Word.1. The Pope is an antichrist, because he claim’s to be “the Holy father”. You have only one “Holy Father”, and He is Our Father God in Heaven.
2. The Pope is an antichrist, because he claims to be the very “replacement of Christ” on Earth, the “Vicar of Christ”. The only replacement for Jesus on Earth, is the Holy Spirit. If you sin against the Holy Spirit, you have committed a mortal sin, that will never be forgiven.
The Popes are all lawless men, religious leaders doomed for destruction. Stay away from falsehood, promoted by the Vatican
A bunch of edomites and ishmaelites posing as The Most High’s people. “How long Father will your people be subject to these heathen?(Judah,I agree with this.)We can clearly see the last days are upon us.antichrist is taking his rightful place…..EVIL and Blasphemous…God never talks of the Holy Land(Man’s doctrine)
Everything you said, Joan, is true! God showed me a verse of scripture when I was a practicing catholic and wanted to know why we pray to “Mary”-no one could give me a BIBLICAL answer because there is NOT one. Not even the priest-the poor mis-lead man screamed at me for asking- BUT The verse God showed me-that made me RUn from Catholicism and never look back is: John 14:6 where Jesus says, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me”!
Ivarfjeld,I foirgot to mention I shared what you said,I agree and posted it as well,it is inline with my comments.numbered 1,2,3
Of course they can’t use scripture to support the modern day state of Israel, which is correctly referred to as Satan’s counterfeit Israel. “The regathering of Israel goes in stages” What? Jewish fairy tales, Talmudic Babylonian slander of the Lord and His Word.
In truth, physical Israel was destroyed approximately 70 AD as Jesus said it would be, see Mat 23:29 – 39, Mat 21:33 – 44, 1 Pe 2:3-10, et al. No where in the Bible can you find a third rebuilding of physical Israel, or the physical Temple. This is a complete fabrication based upon Zionist’ perversion of the Word of God to suit their earthly desires. From then on, physical descendants of Abraham were no longer chosen by birth (Mat 3:9), but believers were chosen by rebirth to be the “People” of God. And the Temple of God will come down from Heaven, see Rev 3:12, 21:2, 21:10-27, not be rebuilt by the Murderers and Liars, the non-believing eastern Europeans, who masquerade as God’s Chosen people, as true Jews, but who are in fact of Satan’s synagogue (Rev 2:9, 3:9). The Zionists, who are experts at perverting everything they touch, the Bible for example, have convinced the average Christian that what I am saying is “replacement theology” and they shun it. Read the Bible people, I didn’t say it, the LORD did, clearly non-believers are replaced by believers, non-believers are condemned! Those who die, not believing in Jesus Christ, will die in their sins and will go to the Lake of Fire, condemned, see Joh 3:18, 8:24, and if you still don’t believe that the true Israel of God is spiritual now, until His (the rejected Messiah of the Zionists) return, then read Romans 11, Galatians Ch 3, 4, 6:16, et al. And read about Jerusalem above, read about the Heavenly city our spiritual forefathers sought in the Book of Hebrews Ch.’s 11, 12 and 13. For the Christian “Zionist” that’s been deceived, that cares at all about the truth: Keep reading your KJV Bible, keep praying, it’ll sink in if you honestly and truthfully seek the Lord about it.
You are so far away from the Lord, Daniel Mark, that lest you repent, you will end up in hell. This is what the Lord says, himself:
«Thus says יהוה, who gives the sun for a light by day, [and] the laws of nature forthe moon and of the stars for a light by night, who divides the sea when its waves roar; יהוה Tzevaot [is] his name:
If the laws of nature ceases from before me, says יהוה, [then, and only then] shall the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before my eyes for ever.»
Thus the question is: Has day and night ceased? Have the sun stopped shining? What about the moon? Can you see the stars at night still? If Yes, then the promises given to ISRAEL is still absolutely in place, validly and indisputable.
Lars-Toralf,
if the seed of Abraham is Christ, then the seed of Israel is also Christ. And all who are in Christ are Abraham’s seed, and the promises are to Abraham’s and Israel’s seed who is Christ and
All who are in Christ. This is the nation that will never end and because the Laws of nature will never cease because God made them then this nation of the seed of Abraham and Israel who is Christ and all who are in Christ will never cease
Daniel,
You said: Of course they can’t use scripture to support the modern day state of Israel, which is correctly referred to as Satan’s counterfeit Israel. “The regathering of Israel goes in stages” What? Jewish fairy tales, Talmudic Babylonian slander of the Lord and His Word.
My comment: Jeremiah 23:3-6 “I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number. I will place shepherds over them who will tend them, and they will no longer be afraid or terrified, nor will any be missing,” declares the LORD. “The days are coming,” declares the LORD, “when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.”
Zionist distorter of the Holy Bible! And you warn me about Hell? The Israel of God will receive all the promises God has made, through the seed of Abraham, which is Jesus Christ! The only way to be “Chosen” or an “heir” to the promises, is by faith in Jesus Christ, not by birth! Look at how you distort God’s Word to make it apply to the condemned? I have no fear of your false doctrines, or your condemnations, I’ve told you the truth, you’ve continued in your un-Godly conniving and twisting, just as your kind always do.
Wise words Daniel I agree let the KJV speek for itself, if only people would read ? If only these zionists would research/test all things as our LORD commands, prehaps we should read Rabbi Joel Teitelbaums{1890-1979} book Vayoel moshe ” his translated words” [ zionists that have constantly formented hatred of Jews around the world in order to strengthen their ideology of creating and maintaining their state which is the most dangerous place in the world for the Jewish people.] he also says [ six million Jews were killed because of zionism ] he goes on to say [ zionists worked to make sure that the doors to many nations remained closed to Jewish refugees]Many Orthodox Jewish Rabbis have condemed zionism as a curse and a form of idol worship,its all public record ! JESUS makes it clear we cannot serve two masters and if they have internet access they wont have excusses, lets pray they swallow their pride and open their minds to the truth as JESUS makes it clear HE will not tolerate the lovers of lies ..
Amen! He is the way the life and the truth (Joh 14:6)! and those who don’t love the truth will receive strong delusion:
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Be careful or they will call you names. Like replacement theologists
hahaha that’s funny Todd (smile)
What the “rabbis” of the Neturei Karta has said and done is beside the point. They are all liars and sons of liars.
Your twisting of Scriptures into something that looks oh-so-true, doesn’t make it any better. I recommend Ramon Bennetts books: “When Day and Night Cease” and “SAGA”, to shed more light upon these matters.
And by the way, when Yeshua talks about “The chosen” vs. the called he is talking about “The Jews” versus “Israel” (i.e. the ten tribes).
Gosh , calling the ” People of the book” son’s of lier’s,and that book being the TORAH and the TORAH being GODS breathed word’s which in all essence is JESUS CHRIST you have just called JESUS CHRIST a lier ? You would do well to pay heed to this , PROVERBS 13:5 A righteous man hateth lying: but a wicked man is loathsome, and cometh to shame PROVERBS 13:16 Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly .
Gosh? The Neturei Karta are and remain liars, supporting the holocaust and the protesting the fulfilment of the prophetic word. And yes, I know very well that a righteous man hates lying, that’s why I hate Neturei Karta and all other who lie.
1 JOHN 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a lier: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen ? PROVERBS 19:5 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape. With all due respect sir, but I am starting to doubt if you have read the Bible ?
You assume that I hate my brothers. You are wrong. I don’t.
But you are right: “A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall not escape”, thtat’s exactly why each and everyone who lie about Israel, people, nation and country, will be condemned, cfr. Gen 12:3.
I did not assume it ! you wrote it ? { that’s why I hate Neturei Karta and all others who lie } it is well documented that zionists and Orthodox Judaism oppose each other ! You will do well to take heed of this .PROVERBS The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of a fools is deceit.
You must understand that those who reject Christ, and a Zionist whether they call themselves “christian” or “jew”, has rejected Jesus Christ, will always point to the scriptures and say that is coming, not realizing that their rejection of Christ puts them out of the Israel of God.
No amount of reasoning with them will cause them to understand the fact that because they rejected God’s only begotten Son they are lost and condemned; they know neither the Son nor the Father, and are not known by them either. They have the spirit of antichrist, denying the works of the cross, there is no hope for them, so they have to make it up, do it themselves. Thus we have the invented story of the rebirth of Israel, completely contrary to what the Bible says on the matter. The worst part of it is they claim God is responsible for their lying and murdering, their genocidal ethnic cleansing of the rightful inhabitants of the land, that this is the way God would reestablish His Israel! And the foolish, who are led by paid hirelings, corrupted by the same antichrist spirit, have believed that this is so.
Do you want the promises, do you want to be an heir? Then repent of your lies and false doctrines and accept Jesus Christ, if you die in your sins, it’s too late, if He returns before you repent, it’s too late, you are not “chosen” or forgiven of your sins by a “physical birthright”, you are most likely not descendants of Abraham by birth any ways, more lies, don’t be deceived any longer!
A few points to clarify on your comments:
1. That God is responsible for anyone’s sins is a complete lie. I agree to that. The Bible says ALL have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God. To be able to enter the kingdom of heaven, no matter where you were born, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, and repent.
2. Now the re-birth of Israel is not an “invented” story. It is in the scriptures. But whoever clumps it with the thought they can sin and continue on sinning beause of God’s promise is wrong. However, there is scripture which supports the rebirth.
Our King has foretold of Israel’s scattering and regathering in the latter days. Because of their disobedience they would be driven from the land. After a time passes, he would bring them back. Their return would be a sign to all the world that the End of the Age is right around the corner.
Read Ezekiel 38-39
Another verse:
(Ezekiel 36:8-13) ” But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown, and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the LORD. I will cause people, my people Israel, to walk upon you. They will possess you, and you will be their inheritance; you will never again deprive them of their children.”
The Lord’s Word holds true forever and ever!
Ezekiel 36:24-32 For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel!”
You are only throwing scriptures at the discussion, once again, not realizing, or refusing to accept that the only way to be the Seed of Abraham is to accept Christ as Savior and overcome to the end, if you are a Zionist, or support the Zionists, you are of the antichrist, not of God, and you do not know Jesus, or God the father, and are not known by Him. Therefore, when Israel is mentioned in scripture, it does not apply to Zionists! It applies to the seed of Abraham which are true believers in Jesus Christ!
The past 100 or so posts are an example of why you cannot reason with a Zionist: they will continue on until the average person realizes that you cannot get through to them, and after that they will exclaim, see I was right, i win! pointless.
Let me close with one of my favorite analogies to describe the Zionist:
they are like children, whose parents promised them ice cream, if they were good, did their homework, etc. They didn’t do their homework, or anything else their parents told them to do, but they holler all day long you promised us ice cream! After being rebuked by their parents, instead of repenting of their wrong and doing that which is right they see that the kid next door is out in the yard eating ice cream! They sneak out and beat up the kids and steal their ice cream cones, and when they are asked why, they say our parents promised us ice cream, therefore we had a right to take it!
Daniel,
I do not “throw” scriptures at you. What I show you is the true Word of God
Yet as you sit perched in your high horse, refusing to believe that you could be wrong, you condemn me and tell me I am of the devil.
You are a replacement theologist, who is wrong and who should seek Jesus for true understanding. Do not let your heart be hardened Daniel.
Matthew 13:14-15 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’
If you choose to continue to reply, do so with respect and do not call believers in Christ- “of the devil.”
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Daniel,
I’m going to repost Ezekiel on 36:24-32. What is your “take” on the verse? Notice the first line that says For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. Please answer the question.
Ezekiel 36:24-32 For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. You will live in the land I gave your forefathers; you will be my people, and I will be your God. I will save you from all your uncleanness. I will call for the grain and make it plentiful and will not bring famine upon you. I will increase the fruit of the trees and the crops of the field, so that you will no longer suffer disgrace among the nations because of famine. Then you will remember your evil ways and wicked deeds, and you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices. I want you to know that I am not doing this for your sake, declares the Sovereign LORD. Be ashamed and disgraced for your conduct, O house of Israel!”
FYI: You are correct. Not all who say they are of God will enter the kingdom of heaven. That is his Word. But I thank Jesus that I am not judged by you/mankind, but I’m judged by my Savior.
Re: Daniel’s comment….”the only way to be the Seed of Abraham is to accept Christ as Savior and overcome to the end, if you are a Zionist, or support the Zionists, you are of the antichrist, not of God, and you do not know Jesus, or God the father, and are not known by Him.”
I am appalled to even read this. As a Christian, I love the Jewish people. I am a big supporter of Israel and God’s chosen people. I want my Jewish brethren to see me as a fellow believer in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and a believer in Yeshua as the Messiah. I feel that the way I treat my brother has a huge bearing on their agreement with my beliefs. I pray that I can be a light to them in the darkness (of not knowing the true Messiah). Anti-Zionism, anti-Semitism, whatever you choose to call it, goes against everything God expects from us. they are not anti-Christ… they haven’t yet chosen to believe He is the Messiah. You will never reach them with the attitude displayed here.
Just my two cents.
Trisha,
This is what the Bible says of those who don’t believe in Jesus, you or me being nice to them is not going to get them saved, you or anyone else letting them have their delusions about the messiah coming to save them is much more cruel than anything I have ever said or done, everything I do I try to take from the Bible, read the verses below, isn’t that what I am saying also:
1Jn_2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
2Jn_1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also
Joh 8:21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
Joh 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Joh 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
Luk 10:10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
Luk 10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk 10:12 But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
Gloria,
I also believe Ezekiel 36 is already fulfilled for the physical Jew, and will be for the spiritual Jew in the future. I in fact believe that is the case for all scripture, fulfilled for the physical Jew.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
What else can that mean? if the unbelieving physical Jew is cast out and condemned, and he is no doubt, and if you are Abraham’s seed by faith in Christ, and you are a true Jew by circumcision of the heart, by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, who is the true Jew then in the eyes of God? The believer, of course!
And if the unbelievers claiming to be “His Chosen People”, remain in unbelief, and yet still claim to be Jews who are they really? Rev 3:9 … the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie …
And if they die in unbelief what will happen to them? Again it will be worse for them than those in Sodom and Gomorrah! They die condemned right? of course that’s right. Jesus said it, it’s true.
I am speaking the truth here, to all who will hear it, like my Father, I don’t want any to perish. There’s no dual covenant to salvation, it’s Jesus alone, everyone who dies thinking they are a Jew and that aren’t will be raised to eternal condemnation and suffering. And those that are suffering from the delusion that another Messiah will come and save them will continue to reject the one true Savior and die in their sins, or worship the false christ, or beast and suffer the same fate. And this is the true crime of “Christian” Zionism; it allows the fake “Jews” to continue in their delusions. Here’s a good example, most Christian Zionists believe that Zechariah 12:10 is still to come, but as is the case with all scriptures pertaining to the physical “Jew”, it’s already been fulfilled!!
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Which is fulfilled by:
First, “I Shall pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications:
This refers to the pouring out of the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost which Jesus says will happen, and that His disciples should stay in Jerusalem until it does:
Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
And regarding “ … they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” (Zec 12:10ff )
This part of the scripture was fulfilled by those who seeing the great and wondrous signs that occurred after Christ’s death (Mat 27:51-54), and later heard Peter preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit:
Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Some, whose hearts were “pricked”, who mourned over their past evil and disbelief (see also Ez 16:61, Ez 36:31), and rejection of Jesus, responded by being desirous of repentance and obedience to Jesus, others, like their fathers, who killed the prophets God had previously sent to them, responded with hate and self-righteous indignation and sought to kill the current prophets delivering God’s message to them, Peter and later Stephen and Paul, and many were indeed killed delivering the Good News.
That was the physical fulfillment of Zechariah 12:10, who but those who had actually been responsible for the literal “piercing” of our Lord, could the scripture pertain to?
Zec 12:10 … and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced …
Think it over, when the Synagogue of Satan Jews and their delusional “Christian” Zionist allies claim Zec 12:10 is for future fulfillment, a true Israelite of God, a true workman of God can rightly interpret the Word of God and speak the truth (2 Ti 2:15). Of course these scriptures are repeatedly fulfilled, spiritually, by all who once rejected Christ, then whose hearts had been changed by the Holy Spirit, mourned over their past rejection and evil nature, and repented and believed and were then baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Finally, don’t be a modern day Esau, who gave up his birthright, and was hated by God. Claim your birthright, you are exactly what the Bible says you are:
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
And what about the “Jews” which the “Christian Zionist” claim to love so much? If you really love them, care for them, then tell them the truth! The Messiah has already come, you will die in your sins and suffer eternal condemnation unless you turn and believe in Him now! It is TOO LATE once He returns! Now that’s loving your fellow man, not enabling their delusions.
Hi Gloria;
There is much discussion about this passage.Whether this prophecy happened already, I mean some 2500 years ago when Israelites returned from captivity in Babylon and also from the nations they had scattered to after the decree of Cyrus was issued to return to the land or is it a fulfillment that has just happened within the last 65 years ago. 1948. The prophecy is obviously regarding a time in the future of Ezekiel. It is a time when God is going to sprinkle clean water on them. I believe this is the Holy spirit. Its a time that God would cleanse them from all their impurities. Jesus did this when he died., and if the Israelites of that time believe he will or would cleanse them from all their unrighteousness/impurities. Was their a time that happened in Ezekiels future? I think the only answer to that question is yes. When Jesus came
and died for their sins. this future time that Ezekiel prohesied of was a time when God would put his spirit in them. Did that happen already? Yes. Peter spoke about this in Acts and even cited the words of the prophets regarding this. You know where it is. It was or would be a time when God would move them to follow his decrees.
Circumcision of the heart does this as Paul the apostle writes in his letters. Circumcision is when God writes the law on our hearts and the spirit moves them to follow his law. Did this happen to the Israelites or is it yet to take place. Its a time when they will be his(God’s) people and He will be there God. The writer of Hebrews stated that that was happening then. Many and most believe that this prophecy is partialy and still yet to be fullfilled. Faith is not believing in god but believing the God that you believe in. Did he do this yet for the Israelites whom Ezekiel was prophesying about or has it not yet. I would submit to you Gloria that God kept and fulfilled this prophecy already in fact all this prophecy. I believe he did it already
When Israel reclaimed their land in 1948 it was a sign of the end of age, as the Bible teaches us. The prophet Ezekiel is very descriptive (All Glory goes to Christ) in what the Lord will do.
(Ezekiel 37:11-14) Then he said to me: “Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel. They say, ‘Our bones are dried up and our hope is gone; we are cut off.’ Therefore prophesy and say to them: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: O my people, I am going to open your graves and bring you up from them; I will bring you back to the land of Israel. Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.’
Ezekiel also describes what God will do to those and nations against Israel. I strongly believe we are in the midst of all of these signs, the Lord telling us he his near.
Ezekiel 38-39 also describes the Gog war which is yet to have happened.
Also you said: Faith is not believing in god but believing the God that you believe in.
No. Faith is believe in Jesus Christ, not just any alledged god, but our King.
To Daniel Mark,
I have just stumbled upon all these discussions and was blown away by your beautiful truth and your use of scripture! I believe the exact way you have presented your testimony and have studied the Zionist Jews for years. If people read the history of these people instead of just accepting them as God’d chosen people a lot of these problems would solve themselves. I have read about the Kazari Jews which had only accepted Judism in the last 800 because their king made them. It was the country where modern Georgia is now. Then Russia came and dispersed them by war and that is why they became Zionist Jews and came to Israel. These people I think, really think they are the real Jew after so many generations. Lot more to the story I know but I am not a lecturer nor a writer but just try to educate myself to the world around me.
Just one more thing and I would like your take on. The Orthodox Jews say that this Zionist movement is not the fulfillment of the scriptures where the calling of Jews all over the world came back to Israel but instead will be the true Jew will return to Israel when their true Messiah comes. We know that will be Jesus so do you think they will receive him then? Also, sorry, what is the reason their eyes were to be blinded for 2000 years?
Thanks for your comments Barb,
I reread all the comments, didn’t even remember writing them, guess I’m getting old 🙂 But, I still stand behind them all and would add this:
Heb 3:17-19 And with whom was he displeased forty years? was it not with them that sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that were disobedient? And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief.
Now thousands of years later a group of eastern European posers claim they are the “Chosen People”? And even though they don’t believe in Christ, and commit every type of horrible sin imaginable against the rightful inhabitants of Palestine, God gave them the land and is leading all “Jews” back there? You have to be Biblically ignorant to believe that.
Specifically in response to your question the reason so many are blind to this is because of the strong delusion mentioned in 2 TH 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Truly these so-called “Zionists” take great pleasure in their lies and when the Lord returns, it may very well be too late for them to repent. Is there any scripture which says they’ll be able to repent at His return?
Pray for the “Zionists” that they repent before it’s too late. God have mercy on us all.
I also agree with your statement of faith. But if you don’t believe the God you believe in you really dont believe therefore your faith is dead faith or no faith at all. We believe in Jesus because we believe what he says. he is our king. We believe in what he says.
It is faith to believe in what he says and therefore that faith believes in him.
it is interesting that paul quotes from Ezekiel 37 in his letter to the Corinthians and in its context he is refering to it as happening then.
Thanks Gloria for your response
Any Christian or Christian-Zionist who believes that he/she has bean saved by the blood sacrifice of our LORD JESUS ,owes HIM a great debt ,regardless of the gift being free, in the very least we should obey HIS deciple Paul 1 THESSALONIANS 5:21 PROVE ALL THINGS; HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD. I implore of you to ask yourself two questions with Paul’s words in mind ” Who was CYRUS. I. SCOFIELD and how has his 1909 reference Bible influenced Christians” ? .
Hi Truth
You are so correct about C.I. Scofield. Recently I heard an elderly man who is a bible teacher at a prominent Christian
University. He’s about 78 years old. Was trained during the
50s years. The Scofield reference bible was the study bible
Of that time. In his presentation of some prophecies he mentioned Scofield and his bible study notes and he spoke highly of them and commented that C.I. Scofield’s teaching radically changed our teaching and understanding of scripture
And was praising him for his contribution to the church. This old man is a wonderful man who loves Jesus and has led many to Jesus. He is a godly man and a praying man and an example of godliness. He is sincere but sometimes about something’s he is sincerely wrong. His theology and eschatological views have been shaped much by the opinions of men. I choose not to use a study bible for these reasons. Look at the study biles since the early 1900s to now. They are about 4 times thick and each page contains 75 to 80percent commentary and 20 to 25 percent scripture. They are a compilation of opinions of men through the century.Disspensationalism is still alive and well in the world. It’s followers do everything to thwart any other teaching. Scofield’s bible is all about that. I had one years ago. Now I do not possess a study bible at all. Anyway, thanks for raising the question
Hi Todd Pastor Scofield was a zionist agent, commissioned by Alluminati top dog Rothschild and along with the Oxford University press set about to add footnotes to the KJV as they were unable to change it ,there goal was to start a pro-zionist sub-culture amoungst Christians,Joseph M Canfield exposed this in his book The incredible Scofield. His referance Bible and its several clones were the best sellers for 90 years and most end-time prophecys today are based on “his” referances and footnotes,{ posts above are examples } allthough he was just a frontman.His mentor was John Nelson Darby ,if you have heard of Darbyism then that pretty much sums up the whole mess which we Christians find ourselfs in today . .
I am aware of your comments.
Wisdom Saves From Evil ~ PROVERBS 2:1-5 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.
Todd, You said….”They are about 4 times thick and each page contains 75 to 80percent commentary and 20 to 25 percent scripture. They are a compilation of opinions of men through the century.”
AMEN….AMEN AMEN AMEN…Foolish people who trust in Men and Chariots instead of Almighty God..
The Lord Jesus Christ sent to me (yes I said to ”me”) The Holy Spirit… and told me what HE **The Holy Spirit sees, He will show it to me…and what The Holy Spirit hears”…He will tell it to me** You can’t get no clearer than that…(smile)
I also have stopped getting Bibles that have more ‘commentaries on a page than The Word of God…!! I also have stopped Neither will I argue or debate with anyone on the ‘kind of Bible’ I have…people can use what ever they want to…even a Playboy Magazine with all it’s interesting stories or eve a roll of Toilet Paper it’s no concern of mine…but when they want to get serious with God…they’ll get serious with God…(smile)
Dave put it very clear….
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Hi Andrea
Tis good to hear from you and amen to your comments
Interesting to see how people who allegedly believe in a conspiracy of global proportions, don’t even know how to spell “Illuminati”. BTW, the Illuminati is a purely Roman Catholic order, originally created by Ignatius DeLoyola, under the name “Alumbrados D’Espagne”, later converted to “Societas Iesu” – the Jesuit Order. Later it was revived as “Die Bavarische Illuminati” as a fellowship of “alumnis”, enlightened ones, in various major cities of the world, by an apostate Jew, jesuit Adam Weishaupt. The active word here is “apostate”.
It’s so cool when you see a comment that is this accurate. Yes Ignatius was a serious lucifarian. His little boys club called the enlightened ones was transferred to Rome and became the Jesuit society where they continue to practice satanism, black robes an ‘all. Saying that, I could track the Illuminati’s roots back to Egyptian priests and then back to Babylon. I think the real heart of their knowledge was handed down to them by the fallen angels of Genesis 6. The book of Enoch is a great source of info for this. The heart of the knowledge which was unlocked recently is ALL about transhumanism and the possession of the body by demonic force. If you want more on this email me at middleearthmusic@hotmail.com
Another step towards the antichrist taking up residence in the Holy city. How can anyone still be a catholic today? There is no excuse for it. Maybe years ago when all their detestable deeds were mostly hidden and the bible was unavailable, but today with revelations of the rampant child abuse and heinous crimes it is incredulous that any normal sane person could buy into that filthy scummy institution.
As for Islam, well to any Muslims reading this I ask one simple question. Why would Allah who is perfect need “abrogation”. If you are unaware of what that is I will explain. It is a way of overturning a teaching that has already been stated. If a verse says one thing earlier and then is superseded by another, this is called abrogation.
In general terms, the Qu’ran and Hadiths contradict themselves all the way through the Qu’ran, So the excuse for this is abrogation. A god that changes his mind? Seriously? No, the truth is, it is a book written by man not god.
Secondly, if you really want to use Mohammed as an example of the perfect man then you will be in favour of rape, prostitution, child molesting, theft, lying and torture to name but a few of his deeds. Not to mention that as a prophet, he prophesied nothing or any importance. Anything vaguely resembling decent prophecy is conspicuously close to that of the old testament. Probably because it was lifted from that source.
Nope, sorry, Islam is yet another daughter of the great mystery Babylon, mother of all harlots.
No one really knows except God. No single church in the world cannot give the right interpretations of the Bible, the Holy Book of the Christians. Any people can claim that their interpretation of the Bible is the right but people are fallible and can be corrupted and can be deceive because everyone else can mislead others. This is also a warning for those who opposes the main editor’s idea, it is not good place to make defense with the Roman Catholic Church, Islam because he is bias with his ideas. he is not open for the ideas of others. if you to critize him and and to those on his side, please make your ideas in other means of communication. To the editor of this blog, please respect the ideas of others and don’t be bias you are being worthless prank you are the one who do not follow on the teachings of Christ that to love others even if he is your enemy. And those who not follow the teachings of Christ can be called antiChrist.
No one is pointing out the fact that Catholics are joining forces with Arabs against Jews. And that the Jewish population is the smallest of all people on earth at only .2% of the world’s population, yet every era of civilization seem to have huge numbers of people who want to destroy them and yet they always survive and prosper. In fact, if you look at what countries support them and defend them, seem to also prosper even with enemies clearly trying to destroy all who stand with and give sanctuary to Jewish people. So whatever you believe about past or future or after life here, the evidence shows that it’s best to stick with people who seem to historically survive all odds and come out prosperous.
So where do Asians (Chinese) people fit in with Christ and Antichrist?
They have been around for many many centuries.
I read all these comments;
-Heavenly wisdom is not earthly wisdom do not seek it for it is not close to yours/ours.
-Surrender yourself in prayer for the Lord provides to all those who truly believe and ask.
-The evil one roams like a lion in many forms- do you recognize these new forms.
I wonder, do some of these comments seek to honour our Lord with a pure humble purpose and faith driven heart? or has the fixation on prediction? authority? pride? search for hidden history? become a fixation.
I do see so much life long dedication and am thankful for brothers and sisters dedication.
I understand how we fight for the truth, I believe it should be with love not forgetting God will judge.
I face nearly daily challenge for my faith. With patience, love and prayer remember judgement is not yours nor is wrath. Mightly mountains can be moved so rather than quarrel you could be praying for wisdom or each other.
-Is that your or i instruction? to spend our lives doing this. If it’s your purpose fair enough? but is it?
-I honestly wonder as the Lord is the true judge and i am a fool to think i know you or his plans.
-Beautiful understanding is to be found in love and to know it is to be valued more important than knowing word or faith. That is in the word. Find it.
-And glory be to the Lord for faith is where we meet him in prayer.
Yes, we are all sinners, i am guilty.
Trusting that we stand tall in his word and name with love is surely our focus? yes?
Of coarse we educate and read and unveil lies.
That’s how i found this. But priorities first.
Over all our truth comes from the lord.
Our wisdom comes from trust.
Our purpose on earth is each given.
Unity and forgiveness is a must.
We will not know is written.
Just because i do not talk of more does not mean i have not read, heard, know of much said however the light will shine even in the darkest place.
I think the majority of my time is better spent on good works, prayer and action. Unity.
Stay focused for even the faithful will be lead astray.
Lord teach us to number our days so that we may gain a heart of wisdom. Amen.
Thank you for some great reading.
I love you my brothers and sisters.
The land of Israel is full of idols! All the Catholic icons are nothing less than Roman gods and goddesses renamed as saints ! The Mary statues with baby Jesus is Isis holding Horus, Indrani and child, Cupid and Venus, Idias Isi and Iswara, Devaki and Chrishna, Gaia & Uranus (who is also mother nature, statue of liberty) is Venus.