Rick Warren has introduced ‘Kings way, a document who teach that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God”.
The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God.
The document “Kings way” affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.”
At the dinner, Abraham Meulenberg, a Saddleback pastor in charge of interfaith outreach, and Jihad Turk, director of religious affairs at a mosque in Los Angeles, introduced King’s Way.
This document explains as “a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.”
The men presented a document they co-authored outlining points of agreement between Islam and Christianity.
The document affirms that Christians and Muslims believe in “one God” and share two central commandments: “love of God” and “love of neighbor.”
The document also commits both faiths to three goals: Making friends with one another, building peace and working on shared social service projects.
The document quotes side-by-side verses from the Bible and the Koran to illustrate its claims.
“We agreed we wouldn’t try to evangelize each other,” said Turk. “We’d witness to each other but it would be out of ‘Love Thy Neighbor,’ not focused on conversion.”
Saddleback worshippers have invited Muslims to Christmas dinner and played interfaith soccer at a picnic in Irvine attended by more than 300 people. (The game pitted pastors and imams against teens from both faiths. The teens won.)
The effort by a prominent Christian leader to bridge what polls show is a deep rift between Muslims and evangelical Christians culminated in December at a dinner at Saddleback attended by 300 Muslims and members of Saddleback’s congregation.
Saddleback representatives declined to make Warren available for comment. Tom Holladay, associate senior pastor at Saddleback, said the outreach to Muslims is part of Saddleback’s PEACE Plan, a wide-ranging effort to solve major world problems by mobilizing governments, businesses and faith communities.
Source: Orange Registrar
My comment:
Southern Baptist Pastor Rick Warren has at several events exposed him self as a promoter of the One World Religion.
He blessed President Obama by praying to the Muslim copy of Jesus named “ESA”. He spoke at World Economic Forum in Davos about the great work done by Mosques, and expressed his desire to build interfaith projects with Islam.
Saddleback Church is also a member of the antisemitic “Church” body, World Council of Churches (WCC). This organization is based on falsehood, and side with the Islamic view of history. Rick Warren and the WCC brand Israel as “occupier of Arab land”.
Matthew 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
The latest exposure of the document “Kings way” is yet another example that Warren is a deceiver of the flock. His goal is to bring all World Religions together behind his PEACE plan. Not to lead them to the cross, and tell them to submit to Jesus our God or perish.
Written by Ivar
Banjara Origin News 
I put my hand to my mouth, for fear before The Holy God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, for this deceiver of Pharaoh and all who partner with him, and all that follow him. They know not what they are doing, they are touching the Blood of The Savior’s which is so Holy and not to be mingled with this vial creature and his people!
Which Yeshua HaMashiach (Jesus Christ) and Yahweh (God) does this man actually believe in, as it’s Most Assuredly NOT the ones of the Bible. ALL who follow him need to search the Scriptures for ‘themselves’, to see what The Lord and our Heavenly Father has to say about ALL of this, rather than listen to men like these.
They don’t care anymore..they have the backing of all the degenerates of the World…it’s just a matter of time when they round up all the Christians who will not bow the knee to Baal…sad to say there are many Christians who will fall this fall…very sad…when the ‘Unity cry goes out and when the ‘American Patriotic Cry goes out’….people will flock to that because they want the ‘idea of it know willing to accept that that idea can only be brought about when Jesus Himself returns…till then all the peace talk and ‘let’s get along is a fluke of Satan’s to take out as many as he can because he knows his time is short…and the only way he can get back at God is to take as many of God’s Man-kind to Hell with him…they are lied and some of them are so wrapped up in those lies they actually will kill all who oppose their fleshly lusts, religious faithfulness to their religious leaders & desires thinking they are doing God a service…!
People should RUN FOR THEIR VERY LIVES..who side with the enemies of Israel, Jerusalem. and all who are anywhere near Catholicism and Rick Warren…Satan is turning up his deeds knowing his time is short.
Islams god has no son and no trinity. No Son no atonement. No atonement no salvation.
Find out the truth about the emergent church and Rick Warren. go to Good Fight website and check out the ‘Submerging Church’ by Joe Schimmel.
More books…more books…if it wakes people up…if it ….if it…yet When will The 66 Books That Almighty God wrote..thru his people, be sought after with their whole heart!
Amen!
Can you imagine walking up to a mountain and crying out to it to fall on you so you would be hid from JESUS…The Lamb of God..If we are not serious about our Salvation thru the Blood of Jesus, we will be in this group that HE is talking about…
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Dear Andrea
Shalom.
Saddleback Chruch has a statement of faith that proclaim that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So does the Vatican, and most of the Churches who are members of World Council of Churches (WCC).
But they all have a more of less hidden agenda, and that is to compromise to achieve end time unity.
The problem with end time unity, is that the Son has to be redefined. If we want the Catholics to come on board, the ‘Mother of God” must be accepted as co-matrix, a co redeemer with her son.
If we want the Muslims to join us, the Son must not be elevated as the GATE, and the TRUTH, the Great “I AM”. The Koran claims to elevate the ‘prophet Jesus” (ISA or ESA) to the eternal throne of God is blasphemy. That would be to make Jesus greater than their “prophet” Muhammad.
Radical Muslims cripple and kill people who claims this.
Rick Warren do not mind redefining the Son, so he can be accepted in all camps. This makes his a false teacher, a deceiver of the flock.
As I have sat here and read the ‘reply’ of each..I re-read the response from Ivar. It’s impossible to do this and not cry from the depth of my being…I want to SHOUT…DON’T DO THAT…but I know from the Witness in me that they don’t want Jesus, they have hardened their hearts against The Beloved Savior…One has to pray for strength to The Lord for these times. Once I was walking down the street of a busy tourist town, and just enjoying time with my daughter (grown)…all of a sudden I saw blood on the sidewalk, I thought I’d die right there…I fell to my knees hands lifted up toward heaven crying out to God for the ones who shed that blood. The manager of the store in front of where it was, came out to see the gathering what it was about, fussing at me, my daughter told him she won’t stop till God is done with her Intercession, she’s talking to God you best leave her alone….there must of been some fear in him or afraid of the ones gathered…This is real and many have chosen to pick and choose (smile) where they go with me . I say this not to lift me up in any ways..but that OUR GOD IS HOLY ..these people are the ones who will and have treated the ones of The Lord Jesus as less important than mad dogs! This site is HOLY …I fear for all who oppose it…it is truly Holy…it is our LORD GOD that thru The Holy Ghost that is pleading thru and with us to all who venture in to hear, see and ‘Choose whom they will Serve’..it is HIS hearts desire that all should be saved. but make no mistake HE is the same God that destroyed, Men, Women, Children, Animals all vegetation in Sodom and Gomorrah. Ivar & some of you other Men and Women, please know The Holy Ghost is evident in your responses and is faithful for your faithfulness to our Lord and the heat of these last days will increase that you’ll be called upon to walk thru it.
NOT A BIG SURPRISE IS IT
United Nations and the Papacy removes Jesus of the Bible
The UN seeks “the elimination of all forms of intolerance and discrimination based on religion or belief”.
The Pope in Rome do not represent Jesus of the Bible in the United Nations.
This is written in a United Nations approved document, dated 23.11.10. Based on an agenda of “peace”, the United Nations will organize a “World Interfaith Harmony Week”. You can join all kind of religious people, the first week of February. That seems to be good idea.
Is there any human being, who do not want to live in “harmony?”.
I guess not. But the truth is that there can be no true harmony on Earth among men, if God of the Bible is not taken into consideration. The multiple political failures of the United Nations is a grim example of the tragic state of World affairs.
The United Nations wants to unite all World religions.
“God” has granted the only possibility for man to achieve peace with Him, into the hands of Jesus the Messiah. His Son, and only begotten Son.
When His name is deleted from the agenda in the United Nations, this global organization delete the truth.
Since Jesus said that He is the only way to Heaven, He can easily be branded as “intolerant” of other religions. And the Messiah will therefore be the target of “elimination”. At least his true followers must be branded as hate-criminals, that needs to be “eliminated”.
You can read more bout the latest promotion stunt of the Pope of Rome, backed up by all other religious leaders on the surface of the Earth. The One World religion is surely moving towards the final destruction of lawless men.
Source: The United Nations sponsored web-site.
First published January 4th 2011.
Written by Ivar
THE ONE GOD IS SATAN WHO WANT TO SET IN THE THRONE OF GOD IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD , AS IF HE IS GOD.
2ND THESSALONIANS 2:4 THIS IS THE GOD THE WORLD IS UNITING UNDER NOT THE CREATOR GOD
ROMANS 1: 20 , 21 AND 25 THIS IS THE MESSAGE JESUS CAME TO TEACH THE JEWS BUT THEY REJECTED THE TRUE GOD OVER THE ONE GOD SYSTEM THEY HAD CREATED WITH THE GOLDEN CALF
>>>And the Messiah will therefore be the target of “elimination”. At least his true followers must be branded as hate-criminals, that needs to be “eliminated”. <<< Many don't want to use that word yet, it is …just because it is not in a country Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Andrea, Andrea;; From your post : March 2, 2012 at 9:31 pm, “….there must of been some fear in him or afraid of the ones gathered… Here is a snipit:: “I read a lot of forums and can spot an American. They write; ” should of” where as we educated Canadians write “should’ve” or “should have”. or must’ve, must have.
Perhaps the most horrific crime currently being committed against the English language is the tendency some folks have to substitute the word of for the word have or for contractions ending in -ve. When I read something like, “I was so mad, I could of screamed,” a little part of me dies. Would’ve. Could’ve. Should’ve. As in would have, could have, and should have. As in I would’ve picked you up at the airport, if I had known you were arriving today.
One last thing, folks…
Every time you write if I had of known (*shudder*), God kills a kitten.
Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? [there is] more hope of a fool than of him.
Tragically, the false Prophet Muhammad is suffering in Hades as we speak because he denied Jesus as the only begotten Son of God. Muslims who follow the false teachings of Muhammad (who also denied the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus the Christ) don’t love Jesus they deny Him and everything Jesus stands for.
This is the same message that the Vatican is promoting. Even as so far as to call Muslims “in the plan of salvation, declaring Abraham as Father” They say they are “brothers.”
The writing is on the wall.
I can’t wait for Him to come back. The Righter of Wrongs. The King of all Kings and Lord of Lords. We wait in anticipation.
Oh Beloved, it is true we who are born of Him wait in anticipation for His soon return, at the same time we mourn for those who will see who He really is and He means what He says,…We like our Father take no delight in the death of the wicked. Though their lot won’t be as merciful as a ‘death’ ..it will be eternity…but this you know well, for your tender spirit is fully aware of what lays ahead for our great joy and what it contains for all others. Blessed be His Name..Israel’s Hope and Promise and our life!
I have a follower on my blog who actually has a prayer confession that “will allow” God to give you His seal even after you receive the mark of the beast. I remember the quote from the movie Kingdom of Heaven when Jerusalem was under attack, ” Convert to Islam, then repent later”. I didn’t give it serious thought until reading all on this site.
ahhhh Kemosobie….it didn’t sound right compared to what you normally write about The Lord and His Word…so it’s what another person said you were quoting…Thanks…this may not be the answer to me, but I see it is an answer to another that covers the questions I asked….God Bless (Amen)
Essentially, it seems the RCC has “everything covered”. Man can work his way out of any situation, convert to Islam, pray away the mark of the beast. There seems to be no finality to rebellion against God with the RCC, they have a way back all along the road for eternity….
Yes you are right it’s not just the Catholics that seems to be passing out Keys to escape any choice or decision…There seems to be something about to surface…it’s been way too quite…spiritually and physically….something has been brewing! (in the Ole Caldron of The World) (smile) …Way too quiet! …
Just thought of something….’the Catholics say they can ‘work’ their way out….that’s what they use to do years ago….’if they went to Purgatory they could (the live ones on Earth) could buy some candles and pray them into Limbo, they were not good enough to get into Heaven, but if they had someone here on Earth praying to ‘Mary’ and buying the candles to be burned in the Church that person in Hell could be ‘transferred’ to Limbo….however I think the Catholics did away with Limbo a few years ago..not sure on that but that’s what some Catholics told me…..
“We agreed we wouldn’t try to evangelize each other,” said Turk. “We’d witness to each other but it would be out of ‘Love Thy Neighbor,’ not focused on conversion.”
….And just like that the Great Commission out the window. He is showing hate towards Muslims, because he keeps the gospel from them and affirms their false religion.
Amen Sueliz1 Amen…just like that and I see the reason the streets are not full of Shouts BLASPHEMY BLASPHEMY to Rick Warren’s plans..is because the people are asleep…Spiritually …it’s hard to even say it…the enemies of The Great God of Israel…Jesus Christ The Lord of Glory who had mercy upon us who was not but are now, because of His Great Love! I can truly see why the Israelites tore their clothes, and put ash upon their heads…What a Great Apostasy that has come to the World, Almighty God created for His Creation because He loved us! Wow! So now we see that even the Rocks will cry out…I sure don’t want a ‘rock’ to out praise me!! (smile) ..just walking past pebbles I have thought, We’ll praise Him together (smile)
Allah was always the moon-god in ancient Arabia and continues to be recognized as such by the crescent moons on the mosques and flags of Islamic countries. In addition, the Muslims adhere to the lunar calendar. How much more obvious can it be?
Rick Warren and Saddleback Church leadership have clearly gone from error into apostacy by actually making documents supporting such blashphemy. Every tenet of Christianity required for salvation is denied in Islamic theology, Qur’an and the Hadith.
For more info on Chrislam and the moon-god check out:
Mecca, Muhammad & the Moon-God: A CAndid Investigation into the Origins of Islam.
This is the same Poison IV Drip-drip-drip into the spiritual veins of all who breathe! Just like when it was ‘thought cute’ that 3’s Company TV Show ..2 women and one man, but the man pretended to be gay..so they could get cheap rent..and still be accepted as alright to live together. It’s blasphemy now just like it was then! It was a ‘pre-lude’ to all the crap that is going on today…to bring it ‘into a LAW’…so is this already brought into a law, under the same guise, Tolerance!…Revelation 13 is so clear!! no matter how the preachers twist The Word of God to allow people to not believe what is right before their eyes!
Will Rick Warren also teach at a later date that all good Christians should then take the mark to keep peace and not have your head chopped off because we work together….NOT……………………..NOT…………………….NOT…………….
THIS PROBABLY IS THE GREAT FALLING AWAY….BUT I WON’T BE A PARTAKER WITH THEM AND OF THEIR SINS….JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY AND ONLY JEHOVAH GOD IS THE TRUE GOD. ABRAHAM SAID HIMSELF…..THE SEED COMES ONLY THROUGH ISAAC. NOT ……….ISMEAL…..SORT OF CHAPS THEIR BACKSIDES I AM SURE BUT TRUTH IS TRUTH AND I STAND TO CORRECT THEM…THEY ARE DEAD AND I MEAN IN THE PIT DEAD WRONG NOW….
I WON’T ACCEPT THIS AS MY SAVIORS WAY….AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU IF YOU TRULY WANT TO GO TO HEAVEN…BETTER GET YOUR LAMPS TRIMMED FOLKS…IT WON’T BE LONG….
I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ASK RICK WARREN…HAVE YOU TALKED THIS OVER WITH PASTOR DAN BETZER? I BELIEVE YOU ARE IN FOR A SHAKING UP SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Betzer’s brother is a member of Saddleback and Dan Betzer professes “highest and utmost respect and admiration” for Rick Warren, his work, and his philosophy.
Dear Ivar,
Shalom, Praise THE LORD and SAVIOR YESHUA!!!
recently i saw this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=_odPQqzYdQ8
good and funny.
-Benn
The handwriting has been on the wall for some time now. The Whore of Babylon is getting “herself” ready to ride. The new one-world religion will seek to bury the Bible (and those who adhere to its teachings). Be very wary of the teaching of all “famous pastors”–many have bought the lie “for the sake of unity.” We have the Scriptures. We need no one to teach us (especially false “teachers” like Rick Warren) because we have the word of God, taught to us by the Spirit of God (see 1 John 2:27).
The Bible and we who are the repositories of the Holy Spirit stand in the way of the liars’ aims. Those who are being deceived will “exchange the truth of God for a lie.” For Messiah Yeshua, the liars will substitute the Antichrist. For the incarnation and the Resurrection, they will substitute reincarnation. These are spiritually “perilous times” for those who are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit (and we know that those who do not have the Holy Spirit are NOT true believers–see Romans 8:9). Jesus said that the deception would be so great that even the elect would be deceived–if that were possible (implying that it was NOT possible to deceive the elect). How terrible it will be for those who attempt to deceive. “Even so, come Lord Jesus.” Pray.
Warren’s response –
QUESTION: A recent newspaper article claimed you believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God, that you are “in partnership” with a mosque, and that you both agreed to “not evangelize each other.” You immediately posted a brief refutation online. Can you expand on that?
WARREN: Sure. All three of those statements are flat out wrong. Those statements were made by a reporter, not by me. I did not say them … I do not believe them… I completely disagree with them … and no one even talked to me about that article!
Read more here – http://pastors.com/rick-warren-on-muslims-evangelism-and-missions/
Dear Shannon.
Shalom.
I am blessed that Saddleback Church takes News That Matters seriously. Rick Warren will find a forum for open debate, and the link you gave us was useful.
Rick Warren claim he is Christian. So does the Pope, and bishops and patriarch in the Orthodox Church. Warren claim that all “tritanitarians” are Christians. Those who believe that God if Father, Son and Holy Spirit. That is the base doctrine of World Council of Churhces (WCC) and the Vatican.
This is simply not true. God of the Bible is God of Abraham, Isaak and Israel. To acknowledge God of the Bible, you have to surrender to God of the Hebrews. The God who took Israel out of Egypt, and have re-birthed the state of Israel. Not some kind of lawless replacement “trinity god” of Rome or Moscow.
The true trinity God is God of Abraham, Isaak and Jacob. This trinity is Father, Son and Spirit.
Jesus the Messiah has restored Israel, and won nine wars against the Islamic forces that tries to destroy Zion.
In the WCC you find the most antisemitic priests and pastors on he face of the Earth. They attack Israel for being an “occupying power”, and do more than wine and dine with Imam’s. They have bought their false views of the history of the Middle East.
Rick Warren acknowledge the Roman Catholics as Christians, regardless of how corrupt and apostate this “Church” is. And that is a spiritual tragedy.
In regards to inviting Muslims to “Christmas” and “Easter parties”, that is not the error of Warren. I have evangelized Muslims, and distributed 60 Bibles in a wedding between a Muslim man and a Hindu born girl I have baptized. I know the hate and opposition that comes when you tell Muslims the truth about the false prophet Muhammad.
But if you dont tell them, you do not walk in the Spirit of truth, but rather deceive them.
Rick Warren to the radical opposite, will never tell Muslims that Islam is based on a false revelation. He sat on his chair in Davos and told that He wanted to build Interfaith projects with Islam.
This is the link to the audio:
[audio src="https://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/rick-waren.mp3" /]
It looks like Rick Warren changes his messages, after who sits in front of Him. Only Jesus known what this “pastor” does in secret, when the TV-cameras are off.
I have been a distributor of Warren’s book ” Purpose driven life”. I entered into a seminar i India called “Purpose driven”, and found the most ungodly World of Faith Pastors preaching “end time unity” in the Church.
Than I finally understood the deception I had walked into. Today I need to warn other Christians about the falsehood this movement represent.
It’s possible that Warren is telling the truth and that someone planted those words under an agenda that is not Warren’s. However, Warren has been known to “stretch the truth” when caught in an embarrassing gaffe. A few years ago, he bragged that he was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and when evangelicals started to freak out, he had a spokesman say that Warren was “mistaken”–that he had been asked to become a member but he “declined”. I don’t think many believed that he could be “mistaken” about whether or not he was a member of such an exclusive group. Warren travels in some pretty posh circles–he apparently attends the World Economic Forum in Davos every year. In any case, he has provably said a LOT that leads many to believe that his aim is to move evangelicals toward Rome and then on to a one-world faith. All in the interests of “peace”. 😦
I have seen Rick Warren’s name printed on the CFR membership. As posted earlier Rick Warren signed an apology to the Muslims in the common word document.
The quote “even the elect would be deceived–if that were possible” does not mean that it is not possible to deceive the elect. It is a translation error by the Calvinists to protect their doctrine.
Please go here http://www.thesubmergingchurch.com/ and at least watch the trailer. The emergent church is preaching another gospel, do not be deceived by Rick Warren and the rest.
I agree trim your lamps and be ready,
God Bless
I’m not a brain box but lets av it as it is, the God of the Bible has a Son the god of the koran says he has no son, the Lord Jesus wins converts with love, muhamad, wins converts through fear and violence, of course we serve the same god NOT !!!!!!! There is one God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, any other is a god and deception of satan, by their fruits you shall know them. JESUS IS LORD.
AMEN
Just to make things clear. I have no connection to Rick Warren. I just read the article and thought the link should be included here.
Dear Shannon.
Shalom.
Thanks a lot. This is a site of free expression. Rick Warren him self do have a forum on this site, where also Muslims come and hear the truth about Jesus and the truth about Islam.
Can someone tell me where Rick Warren said Christians and Muslims worshiped the same God? All I can find is statements to the fact that he says we worship one God.
Dear Brat.
Shalom.
If we worship One God, we do worship the same God. What Warren need to say, is that “allah” is no god at all. There is only one God. And that is God of Abraham, Isaak and Israel. This God has a begotten Son, Jesus the Messiah.
The Koran claim this teaching to be blasphemy. That makes an Arab named Muhammad a dangerous and wicked false prophet. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Dear Ivar:
Nothing more. Nothing less. AMEN!
This article has apparently misquoted Rick Warren & the Saddleback church. Read it here:
QUESTION: A recent newspaper article claimed you believe Christians and Muslims worship the same God, that you are “in partnership” with a mosque, and that you both agreed to “not evangelize each other.” You immediately posted a brief refutation online. Can you expand on that?
WARREN: Sure. All three of those statements are flat out wrong. Those statements were made by a reporter, not by me. I did not say them . . . I do not believe them . . . I completely disagree with them . . . and no one even talked to me about that article! So let me address each one individually: First, as I’ve already said, Christians have a fundamentally different view of God than Muslims. We worship Jesus as God. Muslims don’t. Our God is Jesus, not Allah. Colossians 2:9 says “For in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” Second, while we urge our members to build friendships with everyone in our community, including Muslims and other faiths, (“Love your neighbor as yourself”), our church has never had any partnership with a mosque. Friendship and partnership are two very different levels of commitment. Some of our members have hosted a Bible study with Muslim friends, which I applaud, but I’ve never been to it, and a Bible study certainly isn’t any kind of partnership or merger! It’s just crazy that a simple Bible study where people explore scripture with non-Christians would be reported as a partnership and others would interpret that as a plan for a new compromised religion. Just crazy! Third, as both an Evangelical and as an evangelist, anyone who knows me and my 40 year track record of ministry knows that I would never agree to “not evangelizing” anyone! I am commanded by my Savior to share the Good News with all people everywhere, all the time, in every way possible! Anyone who’s heard me teach knows that my heart beats for bringing others to Jesus.
http://saddleback.com/blogs/newsandviews/news–views-030212/
From a same report, Rick Warren laments:
“This is an example of why I always doubt what I read in newspapers and blogs about ministries. Secular reporters trying to cover churches and theological issues often get it wrong. But then Christian bloggers, instead of contacting the ministry, blindly believe, quote and repost the errors made by secular reporters. Then those errors become permanent, searchable, and global on the Internet. I couldn’t count the number of times a secular reporter has gotten a story about Saddleback wrong but then it is perpetuated by Christians who never fact-check. And the three factors I mentioned about the Internet make it impossible to correct all the misperceptions, and outright lies that get repeated over and over.”
Dear Sherry Roy.
Shalom.
Rick Warren have the right to freedom of expression. As long as He lives outside of the Muslim World.
In regards to what he said in Davos and what he claims in front of is own supporters, He remind me about the Muslims he wines and dines with. They also have a Janus face. They say what the Westerners like to hear on English TV. Than they turn around on Arabian TV, and say the radical opposite. In particular in regards to Jew-hate and their views on Jihad.
It is amazing that the supporters of Rick Warren can not see what kind of man he is. Not even His prayer to “ESA” when He blessed Obama, will have any impact on you. The Saddleback support of antisemitism is another tabu in this movement. The WCC is a “Church body” who defame and demonize Israel.
ifvarfield,
1. Isa al Masih is the name we bless Muslims with, to lead them to the Lord. It makes sense to them, than Jesus/Yeshua. I am writing in from India, the country with the largest number of Muslims one can evangelise without legal repercussions.
2. Was “Isa” the only name Rick blessed Obama with? I didn’t see the dedication on TV, but by reports of those who did, i heard that he blessed with the various language equivalents of Jesus, including Yeshua, Isa, etc. to leave no ambiguity. i don’t see why this should be viewed out of context.
3. The question here is not Rick Warren’s right of expression, unlike what you have highlighted. We are discussing Rick official position on his official blog, and not what a secular reporter had said on some newspaper/TV. Working in the media, I don’t see this as Rick’s Janus face, but as him being misquoted.
4. I’m not aware of anti seminitsm or attempts to defame and demonise Israel.
Dear Shery Joy.
Shalom.
Be blessed, evangelizing Muslims in India. I have done the same, even married a born Muslim as his pastor.
1. To bless Muslims in the name of “ESA” is to purely and outright deceive that person. Because this is the name “Jesus” has been given in the Koran.
2. If you wants to lead a Muslim to the living God, you have to evangelize him. You need to tell Him that the truth about God is found in the Bible.
3. The Koran is the main promoter of “ISA” or “ESA”. The Koran explains that this copy cat was a great man of “God”, and is the second most important prophet within Islam. The last and final revelation came through the highest prophet of Islam, an Arab named Muhammad.
4. The Koran do not mention Jerusalem, not even a single time. So wear did this “Esa” roam? In Mecca and Medina?
5. After 1948, the Islamic movement promote Jihad against the Holy city of David, founded by a Jewish King. The Koran demand that all Jews must live in submission to “allah” or face the sword. “ISA” and “ESA” is coming back to tell the Jews and Christians to turn to “allah”. If they do not, they will perish.
6. “ISA” or “ESA” is nothing but an anti-Christ, an replacement of Jesus of the Bible.
Do you really want to acknowledge and support this falsehood?
“Christians” setting the stage for the Anti Christ!!! Shame on him and other false Christians!!
The article said: “This document explains as “a path to end the 1,400 years of misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.”
The misunderstanding is on the Christians part, they don’t understand the the Muslims are going to kill them for being infidels. They only “path” to a peaceful healing of the division is to convert the Muslims to Christianity. A conversion the other way will be bloody.
DT59
You said” The only path to to a peaceful healing of the division is to convert the Muslims to Christians” That is definately one way to heal the division I agree, But don’t forget to be able to die for Christ is the ultimate honor for the believer. Just as a Muslim believes that to die for Allah’s cause is an honor , so we too believe to die for Jesus is a high honor. Encourage one another!
If its coming out of saddleback we know where we can file it. In the shredder.
If it’s coming out of Saddleback, the best thing to do is ”duck”..(smile) …we don’t want anything to stick …so many lately are picking out of what Warren says to agree with it in some form or fashion…people would be surprised at the list of ”Who’s Who” gives him support and credence….
2 Thessalonians 2:
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work
Verse 11 is the key to our understanding.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God through whose blood we have received salvation. He has sent strong delusion that they should believe lies.
As you read the accounts of Pastors joining in the quest to establish peace at any price, understand that God has run out of patience.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Be not deceived. Many will come in my name and deceive the elect if possible.
Yeah that is very true…very true
How refreshing to see that Rick Warren has the courage to stand up for an undeniable biblical truth.in the face of hostile bigots and preachers of the Gospel of hatred and division. For those ignorant of the Bible they claim to defend, please read Genesis, chapter 17, verse 20: “And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.” (there are more verses like this elsewhere in Genesis)
This is God speaking to Abraham about his son through Hagar, Ishmael. Ishmael is the progenator of the Arabs. Please note Bible readers, that God blesses him and his descendants, and promises to make of him a great nation, later in history to be called the nation of Islam.
I must repeat the word of God. We fight not flesh and blood but the forces of darkness. Behind all smiling faces that approach Christians to compromise their faith are the dark forcess of evil. That is why John says that we must rejebt all those as antichrist who deny that Jesus has come and that He is not the Son of God. Do not even invite them into your house or church, or say God speed to them otherwise you will become partaker io their evil.
Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. How much more will people betray Jesus for a Petro dollar? When I read about Chrislam and so on I thought, “How stupid can one get?” Then it came to me that it was not stupidity but the love of money because “Nobody can be that stupid.” Have we ever thought of why Judas dared to betray Jesus? With His awesome power just look would have destroyed him. I was his uncontrollble lust for money that overcame his fear of Jesus. All the Christian reasoning can never stop a modern Judas from betraying Jesus. When God promised . Hagar that He would bless Ismael she had no idea of the oil wealth under her feet . This wealth is now being used to destroy . Christians. Very soon Americans will be forced to eat food dedicated tn another god.
I agree, Joel–something big and terrible is coming and only those who put their complete faith and trust in Jesus the Messiah, will be able to stand in the Day of Judgment.
Who believes in a Moslem promise? Hitler went about saying, ” I promise.” . Nobody believed him. I am subject to correction, but if a Moslem believes it is not a sin to lie and brag to a Christian and steal from him and even kill him which they have been doing for 14 hundred years who can believe them? Now here is a strange thing. People who are outwardly attacking Moslems are using the word ‘ trinity’ to describe the threefold Godhead. Protestants are taught that the Three are separate Persons Who are one as we are one with then yet apart from them . There is definitely a hidden agenda here so who can we trust? Trinity is a pagan myth. Unless Americans wake up the will find all there foodstuff halaal (the Jewish word is kosher) or dedicated to demons as Paul says . You might even find some Jews defending this ‘right.’ They refuse to accept a halaal but demand that all foods and medicines be marked halaal. It will start with the barely legible sign of the crescent moon and star. America will be devided up into provincess each controlled by an independant halaal inspectorate. Please do not complain tn their Judicial council. They will say that they have no control over them. But now comes the shocker. Possibly with government covert approval you will be subject to a hidden halaal tax ( the charges for praying for the food.) come fee running into billions anually. This money coud be used against Christians should check their foodstuff.
When I analyse the faces of Rick Warren and his wife I see only shame and embarrassment. I suppose that same look was on Judas’ face after he had betrayed Jesus. The only way to join Islam and Christianity is to talk about a 3 in 1 God. Are Protestants being paid to jettison the threefold Godhead in favour of a Moslem pleasing fictitous 3 in 1 god? Does God answer the prayers of a Moslem? Only if he repents and admits that Jesus is the Son of God. Otherwise God says to him as He said to the Jews. ” When you pray I will not hear you. Your hands are full of blood.” . They foolishly replied. “His blood be upon us and our children.” In the same way there is too much Christian blood on an unrepentant Moslems hands. And Rick Warren does not know this? In closing I would lhke to repeat some thing. Rick will have to answer this quertion when he claims that we worship the same . God. Is Jesus a sex maniac? Moslems get 72 virgins when they die. If there are 1 billion Moslems in heaven Jesus would have to create 72 billion virgins. What happens to their poor wives? And do the maidens remain ladies of perpetual virginity? If anyone objects to this I am only pointing out the filthiness it appears to Christians whose God says to them. ” Thou shalt not commit fornication and adultery.”
It will be difficult to answer Stephen Verry in a short essay. The question arises as to whether Rick Warren is courages or stupid. God says in Psalms to the Jews. “If you disobey me I will make you like the dumb animals. Compared with human beings the beasts of the earth are stupid. So what drove Rick to betray Jesus? Stupidity or money or a mixture of the two? In the long run the Bible is not about the Jews but about Jesus Christ and the glorious majesty His kingdom of Christianity. It all started with . Gen. 3.15. Paul is plain about the fact that long before the advent of the temporary laws of Judaism God promised unconditionally to Abraham that He would fulfill Gen. 3.15 in him. ” Jesus said to the Jews. “Abraham rejoiced to see my day. ” This was the fillfullment of Gen. 3.15 when the promised Saviour, the Seed of the woman would be born to save the Gentiles and a remnant of the Jews. About six times God says. “I am the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.” Why does He say this? He is saying it to emphasize that He is not the God of Ismael and Islam. Jesus and salvation and Christianity comes through Isaac and not the rejected Ishmael. But! The jealouse hand of the Arabs and Islam will be against all the Christian nations and the righteous hand of Christianity against them.