World history is full of regional disasters. One of the worst included seven plagues of ancient Egypt. In 2020 the mother of all paranoia’s has spread globally. For the first time since the flood.
Just before Yeshua the Messiah returns, there will be terrible times on the face of the Earth. In fact so terrible, it has never been so bad since the Creation.
Matthew 24:21.
For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
This means worse than the flood, and worse than the Holocaust.
How can we best explain that such blind evil is possible? And what will it look like?
One: The Corona:
There have seen extreme evil on Earth in many pockets of history. The rise of Napoleon, Stalin, Mao and Hitler included. But all these mad rulers never managed to turn their madness into a Global regime of evil. There was always a couple of Reformed Christian nations who were able to topple them, and restore sanity, dignity and good moral. Now, the madness and evil will turn global. There will be nowere to run. No nation who will be able to turn the tide.
The Corona virus is not harmfull for 99 per cent of the Worlds population. Still there will be an totalitarian enforcement of a vaccine, in a bid to “save the World”.
Two: Climate hysteria:
The worst part of this hysteria, was man made arson in Australia. Mental unstable climate-activists putting their own forests on fire.
Three: Extintion Rebellion.
Our youth acts like a death cult, under a pro-life banner. That is a terrible deception. Flash-mobs can now pop up from anywere, and create damage to our civilization, people and properties.
Four: Abortion:
The biggest holocaust in World’s history. Hundres of millions of unborn children murdered and refused life.
Five: Pride
We see a global outporing of sexual sins. All cities are polluted, including Jerusalem. A lost generation are forced to hail, bless and support perversion.
Six: Black life matters.
Our streets are filled up by racists, who pretend to be anti-racists. Looting, robbing and destroying monuments of the civilized World.
Seven: Locusts
On top of it all. Locusts, the worst calamity in India for 26 years. If has destroyed crops in Iran and Pakistan. This curse started its outporing in Sudan and Somalia.
We can brand the present global uprising of madness, the start if the regime of the last and final antichrist. Who will set him self above all religions, and claim to be be the saviour of the World. A Godman in flesh, Mr. Fix it. A man who claim only he will be able to calm the masses. He will make the Gospel and the Judeo-Christian heritage null and void. He will bring an end to Zionism in Israel, and be welcomed by all people. All the members of United Nations will heil him. When he enters the World stage in Jerusalem, we can ve sure the end is at hand. Suddenly, like lights strikes from the clear sky, Yeshua the Messiah will return. He will set up his judgement throne in Jerusalem, the city of David.
I am both terrified and exited. Terrified that billions of people have rejected God of the Bible, and are walking right into the wide gates of Hell. Exited to be permitted to live inside what appears as the final days, and serve the Messiah. Literally snatching a few more souls right out of the fire. Till the moment I my self very likely will face martyrdom. To be raised from my grave by my Boss, the Messiah, God of Israel. Or: Be taken away in a rapture in the middle of the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 11: 12-13.
Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on. At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
May Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus) have mercy on my soul, and all who read this message. The last Biblical prophecies being fulfilled. Eternal life is at hand. Stay put in faith and receive your crown. Be one of the few. Amen.
Written by Ivar
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Ivar – such a wonderful post to point the way to our Salvation. I, like you, plan to be one of the few.
You might find this of interest:
https://444prophecynews.com/brace-yourself-dana-coverstone/
LORD bless. ali winters – texas
I pray you will change your mind about your eschatology. Not sure were you learned if from. Scriptures does teach that we need to correct brothers and sisters if they are incorrect in their teaching. We need to be open to this correction Ivar. It is obvious to all things are really evil. To the unsaved though most don’t see the signs and are thinking things will go back to normal, and the church has been lulled to sleep with fairy tails. In Matthew, Mark, Luke before the death of Jesus Jesus was teaching His apostles. They did not have the Holy Spirit yet. They received it after Jesus died and rose again. We see a transition from the law, to the dispensation of grace. All the apostles were sent to the Jews before the death of Jesus. Paul was sent to the Gentiles. In the book of Acts we see the Holy Spirit come on them and what the apostles did. Peter being taught to also go to the Gentiles. This is the dispensation of Grace. How can you fit these 2 dispensations together? It is impossible. Paul wrote most of the scriptures of the new dispensation. Acts was written by Luke, Romans-Hebrews, then James wrote James, we have Jude and the apostle John. You can’t fit the law into grace and that is what you are doing, as many others are doing. We are not and I repeat are not in the tribulation. What we are seeing now is the One World Government set up. The anti-Christ is NOT here yet, the Peace treaty between anti-Christ and Israel is NOT signed yet and that is what begins the Tribulation. ‘Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves; Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste. Judgement also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place. And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.’ Isaiah 28:15-18
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Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I did believe what the teachers of dispensation taught me. No longer, Today, I belive in Covenants. Jesus the Messiah will never suspend his Covenants. The Messiah can be trusted. Those who belive in dispensationalism will have to repent, and correct their ways. They do not correctcly understand who God of Israel is, neither the times we live in. It is evil days, Nahomi. We are inside the Great Tribulation.
You must be a Calvinist.
Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
No, I am not a Calvinist. I simply take God’s Word at face value. The school of dispensation is a form for replacement theology many Christians have been taught. It makes the people of Israel some kind of a B-team, deduced by the Western, more or less Catholic, Church to a secondary people of God. We have been told that Israel shall face the antichrist, go through the Great Tribulation, etc. Not Christians. They shall be raptured before the Mother of all troubles, be and taken for a wedding feast in Heaven. I have called this a delution, a product of false teaching, presented by false prophets. The truth: We all have to be able to resist the regime of the antichrist. We all have to resist taking the mark of the beast, and be ready for extreme evil and martyrdom. Deceived Christians are not. And I wonder If they every will understand, repent and change their ways.
May Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus) bless you and open your eyes.
@naomi116
You stated that “… The anti-Christ is NOT here yet, the Peace treaty between anti-Christ and Israel is NOT signed yet and that is what begins the Tribulation…”
Where is this explicitly taught in the Scriptures?
ashiraladonai. Please read Isaiah 28:15-18. Please read Matthew 24:15. Please read Daniel 9:24-27. There is no Jewish temple in Jerusalem for us to be in the Tribulation. There is no peace treaty yet. Daniel says it will be a 7 year treaty, but broken by anti-Christ after 3 1/2 years when he goes in the temple to claim he is god.
Dear Naomi.
Shalom abd love in Jesus.
There are different views on this. The Dome of the Rock is a “temple” standing on the Temple Mount, The Pope (an antichrist) is present in Jerusalem. He owns 25 per cent of the Old City. The World Government the body of (antichrist) is there too, the pro-Islamic United Nations standing united against Israel. All the super powers, (Putin, Trump and China) are in peace with each other.. The Word of God, the Covenant of the land has been broken, and replaced. Zionism are at its dying bed, and most Christians beleive in replacement teology. Surely we are inside the Great Tribulation. Thousands of Christians are being martyred everyday, millions of others claimng to know Jesus have become lukewarm and friends of the World. Terrible, just terrible. And as Prophecized.
Ivar you are a false prophet. You claim the fullness of the Gentiles have come in (Romans 11:25). You can’t know that, only God knows the heart of man. You have frightened your readers into thinking they are in the Great Tribulation which is judgement on the entire world for rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior. Why would God judge those with Great Tribulation when they did what he asked them to do which is to believe the gospel. ‘MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye ARE SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.’ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The church members are Jews and Gentiles. Those who refused salvation through Jesus Christ are the ones who will go through the Great Tribulation which is called the Day of the Lord, or the Time of Jacob’s Trouble, the Day of His Wrath, etc.
@naomi116
So you both base your personal interpretations on Scripture, & yet neither of you agree.
@naomi116
You didn’t answer my question regarding your comment:
“… The anti-Christ is NOT here yet, the Peace treaty between anti-Christ and Israel is NOT signed yet and that is what begins the Tribulation…”
Where is this explicitly written in the Scriptures what you claim?
If you adhere to sola scriptura, then I want to see it explicitly in writing in the Scriptures, otherwise the thoughts expressed are opinion based on personal interpretation.
Please show me where your claims are explicitly written in the Scriptures.
You also stated that “… Those who refused salvation through Jesus Christ are the ones who will go through the Great Tribulation…”
Again, where is this explicitly written about in the Scriptures?
Revelation 7 says the following:
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
This contradicts your statement.
Why bother
@naomi116
“Why bother”
Because in trying to correct another & accuse, you fall on Scripture – as do the others. If what you say is true, it needs to be corroborated explicitly Scripturally. That is sola scriptura.
It’s called backing up your statements with your sources – in this case – THE Source.
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS (1 Tim. 5:1) fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints. And THEY sung a new song, saying Thou are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and hast REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY KINDREND, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; AND HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH. Revelation 5:8-10. ‘And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in which raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Rev. 4:4. You quoted Rev. 7. But you never mentioned the fact that the believers were already in heaven from Rev. 4. When the trib. saints show up in Rev. 7 in verse 13 it says, ‘And one of the elders answered (must be in heaven) saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? The previous verse say the elders are:1) redeemed by the blood of Jesus 2) they will reign on the earth 3)they are kings and priests 4) they have crowns on their heads. Sounds like the already raptured church to me. You may disagree but the way you talk to me does not sound brotherly. I confronted Ivar as a false prophet because he is teaching we are in the Great Tribulation now which is NOT correct, and he teaches that the last Gentile is already saved. Which is also NOT correct, among other things. Only God knows that. Daniel 9 specifically teaches there has to be a temple in Jerusalem for there to be sacrifice, and it also teaches that anti-Christ will defile it. Ivar teachers the dome of the rock is the temple, and let me just tell you that is an abomination. There will be a tribulation temple. Anti-christ will make a treaty with Israel for 7 years and break it after 3 1/2 years. I already gave you those scriptures but you are ridiculing me. Again not brotherly behavior. I am a born again Bible believing Christian waiting for the rapture. You might not agree, that’s your choice.
@naomi116
Let’s go over your points – which I have to say that you still never answered by questions.
[1] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and FOUR AND TWENTY ELDERS (1 Tim. 5:1) fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of the saints. And THEY sung a new song, saying Thou are worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and hast REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY KINDREND, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; AND HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL REIGN ON THE EARTH. Revelation 5:8-10. ‘And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in which raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold. Rev. 4:4.
[2] You quoted Rev. 7. But you never mentioned the fact that the believers were already in heaven from Rev. 4.
Oh, my bad. Did that include St. John as well since this was his vision of heaven from the beginning of the Unveiling in Ch. 1? The mass in heaven? With the elders in heaven lifting up the prayers of the saints in Heaven before God’s throne as incense? It makes more the case for saintly intercession than for escaping the Great Tribulation, for which – if the Early Christians actually believed this – they would’ve had historical documentation also referencing said beliefs.
Consider the dating of the Book of Revelation, the life of St. John the Apostle, & the history going on at that time…
[3] When the trib. saints show up in Rev. 7 in verse 13 it says, ‘And one of the elders answered (must be in heaven) saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? The previous verse say the elders are:1) redeemed by the blood of Jesus 2) they will reign on the earth 3)they are kings and priests 4) they have crowns on their heads.
[4] Sounds like the already raptured church to me.
Except that there is no mention of the Rapture in Rapture in Revelation. If it is there, I respectfully request the Ch & verse with a Greek-English Interlinear for reference. That shouldn’t be too hard for you. Bible Hub has all of that good reference material on it.
There is a difference in “sounds like” & actually is.
[5] You may disagree but the way you talk to me does not sound brotherly. I confronted Ivar as a false prophet because he is teaching we are in the Great Tribulation now which is NOT correct, and he teaches that the last Gentile is already saved.
Ok…How do you know your personal interpretation is any better?
Neither of you – despite your claiming a Scriptural basis for your end times teachings agrees with one another – & in fact – are demonstrating a great disunity in the Body of Christ. That is my point.
[6] Which is also NOT correct, among other things. Only God knows that. Daniel 9 specifically teaches there has to be a temple in Jerusalem for there to be sacrifice, and it also teaches that anti-Christ will defile it.
How do you know this hasn’t already happened?
How do you know that the events in Daniel aren’t perhaps a type of things to come? Or other?
Who’s to say? Not like either of you has any authority to claim one way or the other. Certainly not Scripturally because you can’t claim the Scriptures say this. And if it’s not explicitly in the Scriptures, at least as far as sola scriptura goes, its source is extra scriptural. Someone else had to tell you that’s what it means, but I doubt even they know that for a fact.
[7] Ivar teachers the dome of the rock is the temple, and let me just tell you that is an abomination. There will be a tribulation temple. Anti-christ will make a treaty with Israel for 7 years and break it after 3 1/2 years. I already gave you those scriptures but you are ridiculing me. Again not brotherly behavior. I am a born again Bible believing Christian waiting for the rapture. You might not agree, that’s your choice.
As previously asked, please show me where any of these conclusions is explicitly found within the Scriptures to validate your claims, otherwise, this is personal opinion – & unscriptural at that.
Once again, I ask. How is that in brotherly? The Scriptures say to always be prepared to give an answer for the reason for your hope. This is a moment fo honest Christian apologetics. So…where is it?
I want to see it in writing.
Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
You wrote:
I confronted Ivar as a false prophet because he is teaching we are in the Great Tribulation now which is NOT correct, and he teaches that the last Gentile is already saved. Which is also NOT correct,
My rely:
I have no problem being called a “false prophet”. Its your free choice. You have freedom to express your opinions on News That Matters.
Ok. You feel this is not the Great Tribulation, because what we can see do not fit your doctrines. But how bad must the World become before you open your eyes? My problem with my own Pentecostal brethern is their denial of truth. Like the pope being an antichrist, and the Jews being a Covenant people. The Jews are not saved by the Covenant of the land. But its their land, eternally. They can only be saved by the blood of the Lamb of God, Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus). My main problem with dispensation is the denial of the charracter of God. He can be trusted. Eternally. He do not suspend His promises and Covenants. Think for a second, if Jesus changes His mind? If He do not want to be the saviour of of the World, as an everlasting Covenant between Him and all who surrender to Him? Its terribly wrong to believe in dispensationalism. Its Replacement Tehology, equally bad as other doctrines born out of Roman Catholicism.
Ivar, I never said none of those things about the pope being anti-Christ (I believe he is leader of the one world apostate church and the false prophet) , I never said the land of Israel does not belong to the Jews, it does. I never talked about dispensationalism, and I do not believe in replacement theology and I am not a Pentecostal. I said I’m a born again believer in the Bible, you could call be a Biblicist. You never mentioned the scriptures I put up and explained why you don’t agree with them. This is not about feelings, its about what God said. In Revelation 6:7 it says 1/4 of the population of the world dies. That’s almost 2 BILLION people! Have 2 billion people died Ivar? In Revelation 6:1, anti-Christ comes on the scene. The CHURCH is not mentioned in the book of Revelation after Revelation 3:22. Why is that Ivar? Because the people that die during the Great Tribulation turn to God, but they are not part of the church. People do get save during the Great Tribulation Jews and Gentiles, but they are still not the church. They can’t be as I said before they are represented by the elders in Revelation 5:5,9-10. These people in Rev. 9:9 says, “And they sung a new song, saying Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou was slain, and hast redeemed US to God by the blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; verse 10-“And hast made US kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.” In Paul’s epistles, and Peter’s we are told the church (individual believers in Messiah Jesus both Jews and Gentiles who put their faith in Christ) are called REDEEMED, they are called WASHED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB, they are called KINGS they are called PRIESTS, they are said to reign on the earth. I can give you plenty of scripture to prove that the born again believers are ALL those things. Prove me wrong.
Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
Its a common mistake among Christians to claim that the Church is not mentioned after Revelation 3:22. That is what the false teacher of the Pre-Trib doctrine have taught us. They tell us we have to read the book of revelation chronological . After 3:22, the Holy Spirit has left the Earth and left Israel to battle it on alone. Stangely enough these claimed to be bible-believers correctly claim that no one can be saved without the Holy Sprit. Still they teach that apostate people will be saved inside the Great Tribulation, without the Holy Spirit present. The apostate will finally understanding the truth after the Chruch has been raptured, we are told.
I can not see any reason why the Holy Sprit shall be suspended on the Face of the Earth. Its not there in scripture. These teachers use 2. Tess to explain that the “he” who will be taken away is the Holy Sprit. It can not be. Since Jesus told us the Helper will be with us forever. In Revelation chapter 11 there are two witnesses , Nahomi. Who are they? Two lampstands, two olive trees in Jerusalem. They are being martyred. Than they rise again, and are eventually being raptured. This is the end time rapture. In the middle of the Great Tribulation, they are being raptured by the Messiah. There is a “fake” rapture caim made up by misusing 3:22. This is a calling to John, one man, 2.000 years ago. A vision given to one man, to be taken up to Heaven. Not a rapture of the Church. Not an event 300, 800, 1500 or 2.000 years later, after the death of the apostle John. Not so strange, many Christians today whish they will be taken away from the Mother of all trouble. LIke the pope, the teachers of dispentionalism have added to scripture.
I pray Jesus the Messiah will open your eyes. Amen.
Dear Ivar, please watch this. You don’t have to post it. I have learned since being I became born again that some times my views change as I grow in Christ. This is so good because he explains well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhcbSoxAQa0 Love, Nannette
Lexicon :: Strong’s G726 – harpazō
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ἁρπάζω
Transliteration
harpazō (Key)
Pronunciation
här-pä’-zo (Key)
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
From a derivative of αἱρέω (G138)
Greek Inflections of ἁρπάζω [?]
mGNT
14x in 11 unique form(s) TR
13x in 11 unique form(s) LXX
33x in 15 unique form(s)
ἁρπαγέντα — 1x
ἁρπαγησόμεθα — 1x
ἁρπάζει — 2x
ἁρπάζειν — 2x
ἁρπάζοντες — 1x
ἁρπάζουσιν — 1x
ἁρπάσαι — 1x
ἁρπάσει — 1x
ἡρπάγη — 1x
ἥρπασεν — 1x
ἡρπάσθη — 1x
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TDNT Reference: 1:472,80
KJV Translation Count — Total: 13x
The KJV translates Strong’s G726 in the following manner: catch up (4x), take by force (3x), catch away (2x), pluck (2x), catch (1x), pull (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
to seize, carry off by force
to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
to snatch out or away
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
ἁρπάζω harpázō, har-pad’-zo; from a derivative of G138; to seize (in various applications):—catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force).
Thayer’s Greek Lexicon [?](Jump to Scripture Index)
STRONGS NT 726: ἁρπάζω
ἁρπάζω; future ἁρπάσω [Veitch, under the word; cf. Rutherford, New Phryn., p. 407]; 1 aorist ἥρπασα; passive, 1 aorist ἡρπάσθην; 2 aorist ἡρπάγην (2 Corinthians 12:2, 4; Wis. 4:11; cf. Winers Grammar, 83 (80); [Buttmann, 54 (47); WH’s Appendix, p. 170]); 2 future ἁρπαγήσομαι; [(Latin rapio; Curtius, § 331); from Homer down]; to seize, carry off by force: τί [Matthew 12:29 not R G (see διαρπάζω)]; John 10:12; to seize on, claim for oneself eagerly: τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ θεοῦ, Matthew 11:12 (Xenophon, an. 6, 5, 18, etc.); to snatch out or away: τί, Matthew 13:19; τὶ ἐκ χειρός τινος, John 10:28f; τινὰ ἐκ πυρός, proverbial, to rescue from the danger of destruction, Jude 1:23 (Amos 4:11; Zechariah 3:2); τινα, to seize and carry off speedily, John 6:15; Acts 23:10; used of divine power transferring a person marvellously and swiftly from one place to another, to snatch or catch away: Acts 8:39; passive, πρὸς τ. θεόν, Revelation 12:5; followed by ἕως with the genitive of place, 2 Corinthians 12:2; εἰς τ. παράδεισον, 2 Corinthians 12:4; εἰς ἀέρα, 1 Thessalonians 4:17.
[Compare: δι-, συναρπάζω.]
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BLB Scripture Index of Thayer’s
Amos
4:11
Zechariah
3:2
Matthew
11:12; 12:29; 13:19
John
6:15; 10:12; 10:28
Acts
8:39; 23:10
2 Corinthians
12:2; 12:2; 12:4; 12:4
1 Thessalonians
4:17
Jude
1:23
Revelation
12:5
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Strong’s Number G726 matches the Greek ἁρπάζω (harpazō),
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And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take G726 ➔ it by force. G726
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When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away G726 that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
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When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take G726 ➔ him by force, G726 to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
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But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth G726 them, and scattereth the sheep.
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And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall G726 ➔ any man pluck G726 them out of my hand.
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My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck G726 them out of my Father’s hand.
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And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away G726 Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
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And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take G726 ➔ him by force G726 from among them, and to bring him into the castle.
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I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up G726 to the third heaven.
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How that he was caught up G726 into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
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Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up G726 together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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And others save with fear, pulling G726 them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
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And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up G726 unto God, and to his throne.
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@naomi116
You’re right, & I’d already replied on this, but in context, the only time the reference is in Revelation, It is found in the Greek in Rev 12:5 for Christ as the Only Son, born of the woman crowned with 12 stars, who was “caught up to heaven.” It is not used again in Revelation.
Once again, you still haven’t answered my questions, but have in fact taken Scripture out of context to fit this brand of end times belief.
Dear ashiraladonai
I removed your video-link. I do not permitt such on News That Matters. Neither Roman Catholics like you, nor others will be permitted. I have now warned you.
It’s really a shame Ivar. To not provide such information so others can make their own decision. But be it as it may be, you will be held in account to the Lord since your are a ‘Bible teacher’ you say. The teachers I listen to give other views so people can decide on their own. All saints have the Holy Spirit to help us. A false prophet is one who claims prophecy, and if it does not come true (you saying we are in the tribulation, and all gentiles have been saved) then we are not to listen to them, false prophets also claim to speak for God. Our conversation WAS NOT ABOUT THE RAPTURE but your teaching that we are IN THE TRIBULATION NOW, and that you being god say all the gentiles have already been saved. “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: Thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22
@naomi116
Look at these:
John 10:28 NIV
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Even with the Greek verb, the context of “rapture” isn’t there.
From Jude:
20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22 Be merciful to those who doubt;
23 save others by *snatching them from the fire*; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.[f]
Again, although the same verb is used, context does not show “rapture”.
Thessalonians might have more of a rapture context – except that it specially says that the dead in Christ will rise first – so the bodily resurrection will occur first – then those remaining will be caught up to heaven. So there is no hint of escaping a Tribulation. Certainly the Early Christians were martyred, many Christians even today are martyred, & Scripture says we are being conformed to Christ. We are called to live His life, to do the works that He did, to share in His ministry, & yes, even to suffer & possibly die as He did. And Scripture is clear: we must run the race.
@ivar
You stated: “ Dear ashiraladonai
I removed your video-link. I do not permitt such on News That Matters. Neither Roman Catholics like you, nor others will be permitted. I have now warned you.”
I merely reposted the same link that Nanette had posted to you in promoting her end times Theology from Congdon Ministries to ask her a question on her use of extra biblical sources, & **you allowed it then*** .
Why the double standard?
@ivar
You stated: “Neither Roman Catholics like you“
Explain what you mean by this…
@naomi116
You stated: “ It’s really a shame Ivar. To not provide such information so others can make their own decision. But be it as it may be, you will be held in account to the Lord since your are a ‘Bible teacher’ you say. The teachers I listen to give other views so people can decide on their own. All saints have the Holy Spirit to help us. A false prophet is one who claims prophecy, and if it does not come true (you saying we are in the tribulation, and all gentiles have been saved) then we are not to listen to them, false prophets also claim to speak for God. Our conversation WAS NOT ABOUT THE RAPTURE but your teaching that we are IN THE TRIBULATION NOW, and that you being god say all the gentiles have already been saved. “When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: Thou shalt not be afraid of him. Deut. 18:22”
You still haven’t answered my questions.
How is your position valid vs Ivar’s?
You can’t both be right…
ashiraladonai, Question? Are you a born again believer? That is you believed the gospel? “MOREOVER brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. for I delivered first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. And you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? If you believed then you are a Christian, you have the Holy Spirit and it is up to you to be persuaded in your own mind. My grievance with Ivar has already been stated. My answer to your question is this. 1) tribulation verses the wrath of God. I believe believers will experience tribulations but NOT THE WRATH OF GOD. If you put Christians into the WRATH OF GOD then you are teaching wrong. What point is there to be saved if we are getting judged anyway? What? Tribulation in Scripture is this: 2347 in Strongs: Greek ‘thlisis’ Means trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation, affliction, trouble, anguish, burdened, and persecution (IT DOES NOT MEAN WRATH). It is mentioned in the N.T. 15 times, and in Revelation 4 times. Rev. 2:9,10,2:22, 7:14. Wrath is mentioned in the N.T. 47 times and there are 4 different Greek words used for wrath. In Revelation the Greek words 2372 ‘thymos’, and 3709 ‘orge’ are used. ‘Orge’ is used in Revelation 6:16,17, 11:18, 16:19, 19:15 it means: Wrath, anger, the feeling and expression of strong displeasure and hostility; this can range from petty human anger to the righteous anger of God toward sinful disobedience: also Indignation, and vengeance. Example: And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH (‘orge’)
OF THE LAMB.” Rev. 6:15-16. ARE ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH SAYING THIS? NO! Rev. 16:19, “And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness OF HIS WRATH (‘orge’) Has that happened? NO!. This same Greek word is used in here: “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD we shall be SAVED FROM WRATH (‘ore’) through him.” Romans 5:9-10, and “For they themselves shew of us what manner, of entering in we had unto you, and how ye TURNED TO GOD from idols to serve the living and true God; and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME.” 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10. The other Greek word for wrath is #2372 ‘thymos’ means: wrath, fury, anger, rage, a state of intense displeasure based in some real or perceived wrong. “the anger of God” is due to moral offense and has a focus on righteous punishment: wrath fierceness, indignation, wraths. And it is used in Rev. 12:12, 14:8, 14:10, 14:19, 15:1, 7, 16:1, 18:3. The church WILL NOT experience the Wrath of God because we accepted God’s gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. Lets talk about Revelation 7:14 ‘And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” “Great Tribulation”= Megas thlipsis is not WRATH. It’s PERSECUTION, trouble, distress, oppression from the world and satan but not WRATH
Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
You wrote: My grievance with Ivar has already been stated. My answer to your question is this. 1) tribulation verses the wrath of God. I believe believers will experience tribulations but NOT THE WRATH OF GOD.
My reply: There are many Christians who do not believe in dispensationalism, which is the theological base for the pre-trib docrine. The pre-trib’ers teach about a strange difference between Tribulation and Wrath of God.
1. When you are tortuered and excecuted, who is responsible? Jesus hold all the powers in Heaven and Earth, and do permitt his sons and daughters to experience extreme pain, torture and untimely death, like behedings, burning at stakes etc.
2. Naomi. Can you phantom and imagine somthing worse than torture? May be for days and weeks?
3. God’s Wrath can only be fully understod in the eternal perspective. Surely we are not destined for Hell. But we might face expreme pain and agony on Earth. In the eternal perspective, it does not matter. What we face on Earth can not be spotted in time, in an eternal perspetive. Those who tortured believers will face eternity in Hell. It is not possible to explain such a horrific destiny with words.
4. Jesus can carry His disciples through the Great Tribulation. We are called to be witnesses. Like we see in Chapter 11 in the book of Revelation. To be beheaded is not the end. The Messiah will rise us from death, and we will reign with him for 1.000 years/eternally. We can read about this in Revelation 20:4.
5. In Revelation 6:9 Jesus explains to the martyrs, that more witnesses will die in the battle. Who are these martyrs? Not at a wedding feast in Heaven, as the pre-tribers claim started in Revelation chapter 3. And who are these witnesses in Revelation 6:9 who will die before the Messiah will revenge their blood? Obviously they are the 2 witnesses in Chapter 11, being martyred, exhumed and raptured in Jerusalem. I am sory, Naomi. You will have to delay the wedding feast in Heaven till the end of the battle. When we are home in Heaven, we will surely party.
You never once mentioned my proof of Wrath verses Tribulation which clearly states that Wrath is for unbelievers. Believers will suffer tribulation (BY SATAN AND HIS FOLLOWERS) but not God’s wrath. Christians are being persecuted by unbeliever’s TODAY, BUT not PERSECUTION FROM God. GOD’S PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS SUFFERED PERSECUTION SINCE GENESIS) God corrects HIS CHILDREN but that is not wrath or tribulation or persecution. It is clear in scripture. Ivar, If all born again believers who are part of the church (Jews and Gentiles) have the Holy Spirit which is God, explain to me God giving wrath to His children who have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them? The Tribulation saints are not the church. The Tribulation saints do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them anymore than Old Testament saints did. They are two different groups. In the O.T. the believers are not the church either. You can’t group all these people together. We are in a different age. The age of Grace. When Jesus walked on this earth they were still in the law. Jesus was in the law and obeyed it perfectly. But when he died and rose again all believers received the indwelling Holy Spirit. Not even the apostles had the Holy Spirit until Jesus died and rose again. The account is in Acts 2. It is very clear in Revelation 7:14 those who came out of Great Tribulation (not Wrath) are not named the Church. They got saved during after the church went to heaven. We are not in the Tribulation. NOPE, NO WAY. Who is the anti-Christ Ivar? How come the world does not know we are in the tribulation right now as you say? Cause the Bible says the entire world will know.
@naomi116
[1] ashiraladonai, Question? Are you a born again believer?
I am as far as Jn 3 teaches being born again by water & the Spirit, so yes.
[2] That is you believed the gospel? “MOREOVER brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless you have believed in vain. for I delivered first of all that which I also received how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures” 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Yes.
[3] And you believe that Jesus is God in the flesh? If you believed then you are a Christian, you have the Holy Spirit and it is up to you to be persuaded in your own mind.
According to Jn 1, He is the Word made flesh – the Incarnate Word. The Logos. The Holy Spirit reveals this.
[4] My grievance with Ivar has already been stated.
Glad to hear it.
[5] My answer to your question is this. 1) tribulation verses the wrath of God. I believe believers will experience tribulations but NOT THE WRATH OF GOD. If you put Christians into the WRATH OF GOD then you are teaching wrong. What point is there to be saved if we are getting judged anyway?
This wasn’t my question. This is another matter. I think this was part of your argument with Ivar – not me.
My question was this: how do you know Scripturally that a treaty will be signed initiating the Tribulation? I saw the citations, but where do they explicitly mention what you state?
Then following that: you cited a video from Congdon Ministries. Isn’t that extra biblical? It is not in keeping with sola scriptura.
What? Tribulation in Scripture is this: 2347 in Strongs: Greek ‘thlisis’ Means trouble, distress, oppression, tribulation, affliction, trouble, anguish, burdened, and persecution (IT DOES NOT MEAN WRATH). It is mentioned in the N.T. 15 times, and in Revelation 4 times. Rev. 2:9,10,2:22, 7:14. Wrath is mentioned in the N.T. 47 times and there are 4 different Greek words used for wrath. In Revelation the Greek words 2372 ‘thymos’, and 3709 ‘orge’ are used. ‘Orge’ is used in Revelation 6:16,17, 11:18, 16:19, 19:15 it means: Wrath, anger, the feeling and expression of strong displeasure and hostility; this can range from petty human anger to the righteous anger of God toward sinful disobedience: also Indignation, and vengeance. Example: And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; and said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the WRATH (‘orge’)
OF THE LAMB.” Rev. 6:15-16. ARE ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE EARTH SAYING THIS? NO! Rev. 16:19, “And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness OF HIS WRATH (‘orge’) Has that happened? NO!. This same Greek word is used in here: “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD we shall be SAVED FROM WRATH (‘ore’) through him.” Romans 5:9-10, and “For they themselves shew of us what manner, of entering in we had unto you, and how ye TURNED TO GOD from idols to serve the living and true God; and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME.” 1 Thessalonians 1:9-10. The other Greek word for wrath is #2372 ‘thymos’ means: wrath, fury, anger, rage, a state of intense displeasure based in some real or perceived wrong. “the anger of God” is due to moral offense and has a focus on righteous punishment: wrath fierceness, indignation, wraths. And it is used in Rev. 12:12, 14:8, 14:10, 14:19, 15:1, 7, 16:1, 18:3. The church WILL NOT experience the Wrath of God because we accepted God’s gift of salvation through Jesus Christ. Lets talk about Revelation 7:14 ‘And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” “Great Tribulation”= Megas thlipsis is not WRATH. It’s PERSECUTION, trouble, distress, oppression from the world and satan but not WRATH
Your comments bring up more questions.
1. How does this relate to Jesus’ teaching on those who performed miracles in His Name & all sorts of works in His Name only to be told that He never knew them…? They apparently thought they were saved, but learned in the end that they were not.
2. More to the point: what is your understanding of this?
Hebrews 10:26-31
NIV (BibleGateway):
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning(A) after we have received the knowledge of the truth,(B) no sacrifice for sins is left,
27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire(C) that will consume the enemies of God.
28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.(D)
29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God(E) underfoot,(F) who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant(G) that sanctified them,(H) and who has insulted the Spirit(I) of grace?(J)
30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a](K)and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”[b](L)
31 It is a dreadful thing(M) to fall into the hands(N) of the living God.(O)
In referencing Rev. 7, “ they which came out of great tribulation”, it is grammatically in the past tense, or at the very least, has been translated in either the past tense or having occurred in the past & continuing on to a point. It was something St. John had been given a glimpse of amid the persecution of his time.
Bible Hub presents the verb as such:
2064 [e] ἐρχόμενοι
erchomenoi coming V-PPM/P-NMP
BTW – I have to add that AutoCorrect can be annoying in trying to write this as it sometimes changes my words.
Dear Naomi.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
The challenge we face, are different views and understanding of Gods nature and charracter. Its a serious issue.
1. When Father, Son and Holy Sprit holds all authority in the Heavens and on Earth. Who is responsible for the stoning of Stephen, the death of Ananias and Saphira, etc? God can not legally claim He has not permitted these, from a fleshy persepctive, executions to take place? He had the power and authority to stop them both.
2. For Stephen, this tribulation/wrath permitted by God to take place, dos not matter. Since there is a Heaven, and Stephen is there.
3 The escape from Wrath permitted to take place by God, can easily be explained by the existence of Heaven and Hell.
4. Naomi. I use Hiroshima as an example. We know there were followers of Jesus in both Hiroshima and Nagazaki. Please explain what kind of Wrath you expect to take place on the face of the Earth, that is worse than to be caught by a nuclear explosion?
5. Who is the antichrist? For 1.700 years if has been the Pope in Rome. The man of sin, and the man of lawlessness who claim to be The Holy Father and the Vicarius Christ, the replacement of Jesus on the face of the Earth.
The good news is that the Kingdom of heaven is an eternal escape from eternal wrath. We who follow Jesus the Messiah are not destined for Hell. Those who reject Him are.
@ivar
You stated that “ Who is the antichrist? For 1.700 years if has been the Pope in Rome. The man of sin, and the man of lawlessness who claim to be The Holy Father and the Vicarius Christ, the replacement of Jesus on the face of the Earth.”
Where is this explicitly stated within the Scriptures?