The false Western Church that vanished

The Church is called to be the body of Yeshua the Messiah on Earth. It will always survive where people have learned to swim against the political correct tide.

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The false Church closed her doors, and became a part of the World she belonged to.

In some ways, it is positive that the false Church has closed its doors. Their doctrine of a pre-Tribulation rapture has for some generations damaged the mind of heart of the truth-seekers. This false teaching has been like a sleeping pill. Now all who passivly accepted this doctrine have falen asleep.

These false Churches with their roots in Western Roman Catholicism are now empty. The Rapture did not come as her false prophets promised. She is a now a witness against her self.

Revelation 3:17

You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

James 5:5

You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.

The true Church of the Messiah has always gathered and faced persecution. Going through a baptism of fire prevented the true believers to become Worldly and lukewarm. The true Church is still active, but only in Nations where it for some time has been an underground movement, branded illegal and harmfull.

The Word of God can not be set a side by the rules of the World. The Messiah proclaimed that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against His faithful flock of followers. They have laid down their lives for Him, and do not fear, even death and martyrdom.

Be like them. Be like a fish that swims against the stream. True followers of the Messiah  will not swim directly into the net of the final antichrist. Rather die as a martyr in the service of the Messiah, proclaiming the eternal Gospel, acting on His commands and serving Him. There will be a day the Messiah will revenge the blood of his saints.

Revelation 6:10

They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”

 

May Yeshua the Messiah give you wisdom and power to swim in the right direction. Be active. Continue to be His witness, gather, share a meal, anoint and lay hands on people. Keep on praying. Amen.

Written by Ivar

13 thoughts on “The false Western Church that vanished

  1. Of all the last day warnings from scripture, yet they love the world more and decide for themselves what is ok by our G-d, scripture says the pulpits will get double punishment, but now they are all a sleep, how sad, they have forgotten being luke warm, is not ok by G-d, so he has removed their candle stick, and we who are true to scripture, who is the L-d, will hear, COME UP HERE in Rev 3, an that will be just before the tribulation starts. so we pray for them, reach out and see Timothy one, two and three and four. Paul says , STANd, I SAY STAND, FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT. MOST HAVE NO FIGHT OR ENOUGH BELIEF, SO THEIR faith IS WEAK. . PRAISE WOULD WONDERFUL l-D.

  2. I’ve long warned the spirit of the Church of Laodacia falling across the US, warm ecumenicism, a false embrace…..and yes, here we are…….we wondered what on earth this great deception (delusion) would be that the entire world would follow it, and here we are, our state governor throwing, yet, another month of prison on the sentence, almost as if to entice bloodshed……..all this to where the entire world is looking for a savior, a man woman or it to rise up and lead the entire world……to bring peace and healing…..and it won’t be Jesus…….yet…..

    1. @godsfingers

      You stated that “ long warned the spirit of the Church of Laodacia falling across the US, warm ecumenicism, a false embrace…..and yes, here we are…….we wondered what on earth this great deception (delusion) would be that the entire world would follow it, and here we are, our state governor throwing, yet, another month of prison on the sentence, almost as if to entice bloodshed……..all this to where the entire world is looking for a savior, a man woman or it to rise up and lead the entire world……to bring peace and healing…..and it won’t be Jesus…….yet…..”

      And yet history is repeating itself.

      Read this article posted in the Advance Local (AL) entitled “ Priest supported closing churches during 1918 flu pandemic, lamented loss of Mass”…

      “ The Rev. James E. Coyle, pastor of St. Paul’s Church (now Cathedral) from 1904 until he was shot to death on the porch of the rectory next to the cathedral on Aug. 11, 1921, wrote a column in the Birmingham News that appeared in the newspaper leading up to Sunday, Oct. 20, 1918, the second consecutive Sunday that churches were asked to stop public gatherings.”

      “ “We’re pretty on line with him in what we’re saying,” said Bishop Robert J. Baker, current pastoral administrator of the Diocese of Birmingham. “He emphasized social distancing, but talked about the ache in our heart. The message is very contemporary.”

      During the 1918 influenza pandemic in Birmingham, churches were closed. The Birmingham News offered to print sermons, service outlines, scriptures and announcements sent in by various clergy to help people worship at home. Coyle kept copies of the newspaper clippings, which are still in the parish records of the cathedral.”

      Historically this isn’t the first time churches have closed due to pandemic.

      From the NIH:

      “Lessons Learned from the 1918–1919 Influenza Pandemic in Minneapolis and St. Paul, Minnesota

      Miles Ott, AB, Shelly F. Shaw, MPH, […], and Ruth Lynfield, MD“

      “ Despite Dr. Simon’s conviction that the closing of public places would be ineffective, on November 6 St. Paul government officials overruled him and enacted a closing order for the whole city, including schools, theaters, churches, and dance halls. The St. Paul Citizens’ Committee—consisting of 15 physicians, church leaders, and community members who were appointed by Dr. Simon—which was concerned by the record of 218 new cases on November 5, as well as 36 deaths between November 4 and November 5, 1918, recommended this policy change (Figure 1).17 The number of new cases began to decline 10 days later, with only 24 new cases, and the next day, Dr. Simon reopened St. Paul businesses and churches.”

  3. Ivar stated: “ These false Churches with their roots in Western Roman Catholicism are now empty. The Rapture did not come as her false prophets promised. She is a now a witness against her self.”

    First of all, none of them claimed this was the Rapture – at least as far as I’m aware. Unless you have some credible source stating otherwise, I haven’t seen it.

    Second, the churches that have the means available are using social media to transmit services or masses. While you eagerly judge others without even knowing their intentions, & people ache to worship – most are willing to stop at least temporarily in this way to save life.

    Third, the Rapture isn’t part of Catholic teaching. That is a later invention to Protestantism. It seems to have arisen in America…

  4. Ivar stated: “ In some ways, it is positive that the false Church has closed its doors. Their doctrine of a pre-Tribulation rapture has for some generations damaged the mind of heart of the truth-seekers. This false teaching has been like a sleeping pill. Now all who passivly accepted this doctrine have falen asleep.”

    So this begs the question: what false church are you referring to since the Catholic Church has never taught nor believed in any pre-/mid-/post-trib doctrine?

    I think you just shot yourself the foot…

  5. Dear Ashira Donai.

    Shalom and love in Jesus.

    The Pre-trib Rapture doctrine is of Jesuit origin. It was launched in the the potestant Church a few hundred years back, to counter the claim that the pope is an/the antichrist. The pre-trib rapture doctine claim its not possible to identify the last antichrist bacuse the las man of lawlessnes willl be revealed only after the rapture. The pentacostal churces are worst affected by this false teaching. Most protestant churches have started their journey back to the mother church in Rome, accpeting the pope as a Christian leader. As the papacy closed the virus-door, all false churches followed suit.

    1. Dear ivarfjeld,

      You stated that “…The Pre-trib Rapture doctrine is of Jesuit origin. It was launched in the the potestant Church a few hundred years back, to counter the claim that the pope is an/the antichrist.”

      Do you have a credible source supporting this claim?

      Wikipedia on the Rapture refutes your claim:

      “ The rapture is an eschatological concept of certain Christians, particularly within branches of American evangelicalism, consisting of an end-time event when all Christian believers who are alive, along with resurrected believers, will rise “in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air.”[1]”

      And:

      “Differing viewpoints exist about the exact timing of the rapture and whether Christ’s return will occur in one event or two. Pretribulationism distinguishes the rapture from the second coming of Jesus Christ to earth, mentioned in the Gospel of Matthew, 2 Thessalonians, and Revelation. This view holds that the rapture will precede the seven-year Tribulation, which will culminate in Christ’s second coming and be followed by a thousand-year Messianic Kingdom.[5][6]Adherents of this perspective are referred to as premillennial dispensationalists. This theory grew out of the translations of the Bible that John Nelson Darby analyzed in 1833. It was promulgated by the cult followers of Darbyism, a doctrine that has been deemed heretical by most mainstream Christians.[7][8]Pretribulationism is the most widely held view in America today, although this view is disputed within evangelicalism.[9]

      There are also differing views among Christians regarding the aerial gathering described in 1 Thessalonians 4. The majority of broadly Christian and mainline churches do not subscribe to pretribulational views. Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Presbyterians, United Methodists,[10] the United Church of Christ, and most Reformed Christians do not generally use rapture as a specific theological term, nor do they generally subscribe to the premillennial dispensational views associated with its use. Instead these groups typically interpret rapturein the sense of the elect gathering with Christ in Heaven after His second coming[11][12][13]and reject the idea that a large segment of humanity will be left behind on earth for an extended tribulation period after the events of 1 Thessalonians 4:17.[14]”

      Therefore, your claim is false.

      You also added that “..,The pre-trib rapture doctine claim its not possible to identify the last antichrist bacuse the las man of lawlessnes willl be revealed only after the rapture. The pentacostal churces are worst affected by this false teaching. Most protestant churches have started their journey back to the mother church in Rome, accpeting the pope as a Christian leader. As the papacy closed the virus-door, all false churches followed suit.“

      Please show us all where the Scripture verbatim tell us that the Pope is the antichrist. I’ve yet to see it in writing, & despite the claims that this is specifically addressed in the Book of Revelation by many Protestant Christians, there is nothing indicating the Pope as claimed nor does the word “antichrist” even appear at all in the original Greek in the Book of Revelation. Incidents where it does occur in the NT do not name the person, but apparently you seem to think you know more than the NT writers…How do you account for this?

    2. Good Morning,

      As Ivar knows I am Pentecostal. Do I believe the rapture has occurred yet? No. I do believe that Jesus will come and rapture his people. But because I believe this, it does not void the most important fact: Jesus Christ is my Savior and he comes very soon.

      God Bless,

      Gloria

      1. @Gloria @ivarfjeld

        But ivarfjeld did state that”… The pentacostal churces are worst affected by this false teaching…”

        How can this church know then that it’s teachings are true?

        Is this the only thing he finds as false teaching with the Pentecostals, or is there more he has yet to divulge..?

    1. Dear ivarfjeld,

      You responded with: “ Just look of the 116 reports of the Roman Catholic worship of bones, skulls and corpses. All the Church reformers branded the pope as an antichrist. They were right.

      Here is a link to the Pre-trib delusion on Earth. I will give you sources on the Jesuit origin.”

      Since your claims have been refuted more than once, you’ll understand my reluctance to chance anything regarding my salvation in your “sources”, which have unfortunately shown themselves to be dubious at best – if not spiritually dangerous.

      Thank you, but no thanks. I was asking for credible sources. Like actually scholarly work on the matter from people who actually know the history & teachings…

  6. Praying for everyone here – for God’s protection, provision, guidance, sustenance, & most of all His Presence – His indisputable Presence in all of our lives to live His life & word that it is tangible to all around us.

    Amen.

  7. Hello,

    Yes Ivar has made comments against the Pentecostal church. I respect Ivar and he is my brother in Christ.

    But I have been in the presence of the Lord, I have felt his great love for me. I have felt the Holy Spirit and know that Christ comes soon.

    I feel that this is the most important fact in our differences. And that it is okay to debate our differences and still not lose sight of Jesus.

    God Bless,

    Gloria

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