The Koran tells Muslims not to worship the moon. But Islam demands prayers towards Mecca, and the black stone that has fallen down from the moon.
Many scholars have tried to find evidence in the Koran, about Allah being the moon god. But rather to search for scriptural evidence for moon worship, its better to see what the Muslims are actually doing when they gather for the Holy pilgrimage to Mecca.
They bow down to, worship and kiss a black stone, suppose to have fallen down from the the sky. A stone from the moon.
The Stone is roughly 30 cm (12 in.) in diameter, and 1.5 meters (5 ft.) above the ground.
Deuteronomy 4:19
And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the LORD your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.
Allah was originally the name of an Arabic pagan god. This god was the moon God, and the Arabs moon worshipers. The Prophet Muhammad was raised in a family of moon god worshipers. When He received the revelation written down in the Koran, Muhammad told the Arabs not to worship the physical moon as god. In stead they were told to pray towards Mecca, and the black stone that had fallen down from the moon.
The Bible rebuke such worship as sinful idol worship.
2 Kings 21:3
He rebuilt the high places his father Hezekiah had destroyed; he also erected altars to Baal and made an Asherah pole, as Ahab king of Israel had done. He bowed down to all the starry hosts and worshiped them.
A symbol of the moon is the symbol of Islam. Its on top of every prayer tower, on top of every Mosque, and used as a symbol of very Islamic nation.
The name Allah was used as the personal name of the moon god, in addition to other titles that could be given to him.
Allah, the moon god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called «the daughters of Allah». These three goddesses were called Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat.
The daughters of Allah, along with Allah and the sun goddess were viewed as «high» gods. That is, they were viewed as being at the top of the pantheon of Arabian deities.
Jeremiah 8:2
They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like refuse lying on the ground.
(Koran 74:32-34). Muslims fast during the month that begins and ends with a crescent moon.
The Arabs believed that the moon-god was the greatest of all gods. In worshiping their moon-god, Allah, they prayed toward Mecca several times a day, made pilgrimages to Mecca, ran around their moon-god temple called Kabah, kissed the Black Stone, killed animal sacrifices for their moon-god, and fasted for the month which begins and ends with the crescent moon, etc, just as the Muslims do today.
There is a verse in the Bible about worshiping a stone that fell from the heaven.
Acts 19:35
The city clerk quieted the crowd and said: “Men of Ephesus, doesn’t all the world know that the city of Ephesus is the guardian of the temple of the great Artemis and of her image, which fell from heaven?
Muslim worship is very similar to the pagan worship of the stone in Ephesus. Islam also have element of worship, adoration and veneration of goddesses. The Muslims believed Allah, the moon-god, was married to the sun goddess. Together they produced three goddesses who were called «the daughters of Allah». Allah’s three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat, were viewed as intercessors between the people and Allah and were also worshiped at the Kabah in Mecca. The daughters of Allah, along with Allah’s wife the sun goddess, and Allah were viewed as «high» gods.
In 630 AD Mohammad again entered Mecca and captured it. He declared Allah to be the supreme god and was the one true god that all men should worship. Mohammad claimed to have had his «vision« and «revelation» from the angel Gabriel. Mohammad destroyed all the 360 idols at Mecca except the Black Stone, which they believed had come from the moon. Muslims continue to worship and kiss it today. Mohammad declared that Allah alone should be worshiped. He forbade the worship of the daughters of Allah. Mohammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the temple, Kabah, and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
To this day, a crescent moon can be found at the front of every mosque, acknowledging that Allah was and is still their moon-god.
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I have been saying some of this for awhile now but it don’t seem like anyone wants to listen.
Great post, Bro.
Dallas
Dear Kirk.
Shalom, and welcome back with a comment after a long time.
It is rather depressing, that a lot of Christians have so little contact with the Holy Spirit, that they have started to promote Islam as a religion of peace, that deserves our respect. The cult of the black stone will not bring peace on Earth, but have always brought war on Jews and born again Christians.
half the thins you posted is based on your imagination. Muslims pray according to the sun and kiss the stone cause we believe its been given to humanity. Muslims dont worship the stone, we worship the kabba, the big black square with the massive energy flowing over it that science cant explain… muslims believe in one god, the same god that Abraham believed in and all the prophets and messengers up until Jesus as well. and ivarfjeld, muslims are the victims… dont forget who opened their doors after the Holocaust. And god bless the Roman church for anally raping humanity.
we do not worship the kaaba either we worship GOD alone the kaaba, black stone holy water ect. is not worshiped but respected. the kaaba is a place of where people come together. as far as everyone saying we worship the moon god “Allah” your wrong also. God has been there since before time began so if God has spoken to man before and they retained his name and lost the message should we change the name of God because the pagans got the name right and the message wrong?
i found this link…hope you will find this interesting about sacred places….open mind is needed…thnx….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJaEzAYWdFw
Kaaba is the a sacred place where Muslims DON’T worship the “black house” as some say NOR the black stone. Muslims worship ONE UNIQUE GOD. It is only the Direction, the central point given by Almighty God (the Qiblah) towards which Muslims have to turn their face and soul for praying.
I remind you that it is in the valley of Mecca (or Bakka or Baca in previous scriptures) that the First House of God for Mankind has been built when Adam (pbh) descend from Heaven to earth.
May Allah guide people to his his Light
Joseph,
You said: Muslims worship ONE UNIQUE GOD. It is only the Direction, the central point given by Almighty God (the Qiblah) towards which Muslims have to turn their face and soul for praying.
I remind you that it is in the valley of Mecca (or Bakka or Baca in previous scriptures) that the First House of God for Mankind has been built when Adam (pbh) descend from Heaven to earth.
My Comment: Muslims worship A LIE created by the devil himself. Mohammed spread the lie, and refused to acknowledge JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY SAVIOR. I cannot begin to express to you the severity of the situation. Your soul is in jeopardy. It is why Jesus said that unless you believe in HIM, ou will die in your sins.
God said in: Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior
Isaiah 9:6 – For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
There is no other God, no other Savior. Turn away from the muslim lie that is sure to destroy many, and believe only in JESUS CHRIST.
God Bless,
Gloria
After reading sanskrit and vedas I found this interesting articel.
Thank you for putting the spotlight on kabaah worship,
“THE HIDDEN HISTORY BEHIND THE KABAAH”
“Long before Islam came in to existence, Kabaah, in Mecca in Saudi Arabia was a pilgrimage site. The word Kabaah might have come from the Tamil Language which originated around 1700BC. In Tamil Nadu Kabaalishwaran temple is Lord Shiva’s temple and Kabaali refers to Lord Shiva. The black stone at Kabaah is held sacred and holy in Islam and is called “Hajre Aswad” from the Sanskrit word Sanghey Ashweta or Non-white stone. The Shiva Lingam is also called Sanghey Ashweta. So what is in Kabaah could be the same what Hindus worship. The pedestal Maqam-E-Ibrahim at the centre of the Kabaah is octagonal in shape. In Hinduism, the pedestal of Brahma the creator is also octagonal in shape. ”
“Allah was one of the deities in Kabaah long before Islam was founded. It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for Allah is, therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.”
“Even to this day ancient Siva emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kabaah.”
“In short Muslims are also going around Siva Lingam at Kabaah, seven times as Hindus go around it seven times.”
http://easywaytoheaven.co.uk/I_articles/The%20hidden%20history%20behind%20the%20Kabaah.htm
this is total bullshitt i have no idea where or who gave this information but it is totally wrong if u want to really read about islam find a relaiable source to get the information.
Dear Muhammad.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
this is total bullshitt.
My reply:
Please use respectful language on this site. You might disagree with this article. But black stone on the Kaaba is well documented.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/the-qur%E2%80%99an-the-book-of-the-black-stone-worshipers/
You need to update your self on the religion of Islam, that i presume you follow.
Al-lah is the principal evil-god in the temple of Kaaba. Muhammad destroyed al-lah’s idol. Al-lah’s devotees destroyed Muhammad’s descendants in the battle field of Karbala. So, al-lah is the blood-thirsty evil.
what do you know of islam but what you hear?
the message is the same as the bible. if you want you can look up science christianity and islam “there are those created blind and deaf they will not see or hear the truth”
silly author: moon ans star is not islamic symbol. it means sacred wedding and hieros gamos
Thanks for this enlightening news.
The first thing that one should know and clearly understand about Islam is what the word “Islam” itself means. The religion of Islam is not named after a person as in the case of Christianity which was named after Jesus Christ, Buddhism after Gotama Buddha, Confucianism after Confucius, and Marxism after Karl Marx. Nor was it named after a tribe like Judaism.
Dear Maria.
Islam means peace. Well, such peace can only be found, if people are willing to submit to Islam. The Koran tells Muslims to cripple and kill non-believers. Thats not nice. Neither is it a proof of a peaceful religion. Muslims blowing up Mosques and other Muslims are also a sign of wickedness.
It doesnt say anywhere in the koran to kill non muslims. its even a sin to call another man a Kafir. you clearly dont know what you are talking about and let me educate you… You know the crusaders you kept sending to win back jerusalems? they were all rapist, murderers and thieves that the believed dying for Jerusalem will relieve them of their sins (by the pope) another fun fact… Islam is the only holy ground in this planet that was won withouth spilling a single ounce of blood… “Any man behind a wall will be guaranteed safety” all the soldiers hid in their homes and mecca was won. yeah…we are the bad ones lmao.
At the age of twenty-five, then, and in the prime of life, Muhammad, upon him be peace and blessings, married Khadija, a woman much his senior in years. This marriage was very high and exceptional in the eyes of the Prophet and God. For twenty-three years, his life with Khadija was a period of uninterrupted contentment in perfect fidelity. In the eighth year of Prophethood, however, Khadija passed away and the Prophet was once again single, as he had been until the age of twenty-five, though now with chil dren. His enemies cannot deny, but are forced to admit that, during all these long years, they cannot find a single flaw in his moral character. During the life time of Khadi ja, the Prophet took no other wife, al though public opin ion among his people would have al lowed him to do so had he wished to. After Khadija’s death, he lived a single life for four or five years. All his other marriages began after he reached the age of fifty-five, an age by which very little real interest and desire for marriage remains. The allegation that his marriages after this age were an expression of licentiousness or self-indulgence, is as groundless as it is foul
Those who neither believe in nor practice any religious way of life have no right to reproach those who do. They have relations and unions with many women without following any rule or law or ethic. However they may pretend otherwise, what they do is unrestrained self-indul gence with, in practice, little regard for the consequences of their life-style upon the happiness and well-being of even their own children, let alone of the young in gen eral. In certain circles who advertise themselves as the most ‘free’, sexual relations which most societies condemn as incestuous are regarded as permissible; homo sexuality is as ‘normal’ for them as any other kind of relationship; some even practice polyandry – that is, one woman having at the same time many ‘husbands’ – the agony of any children from such unions who may never be sure of who their father is, we leave to the reader’s imagination. The only motive that people who live in this way can have for criticizing the Prophet’s marriages is the foolish hope that they can drag Muslims down with them into the mess of moral confusion and viciousness in which they themselves are trapped.. NEXT TIME ANY OF YOU WRITE SOME THING ABOUT ANY RELIGON DO LITTLE SEARCH BEFORE YOU POINT YOUR FINGER!!!!!
Dear Maria.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
People can not be saved by Muhammad, either he was a honest man or a fake. People can only be saved by the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus from Nazareth. I pray that the Muslims will turn towards Him.
It doesnt say anywhere in the koran to kill non muslims. its even a sin to call another man a Kafir. you clearly dont know what you are talking about and let me educate you… You know the crusaders you kept sending to win back jerusalems? they were all rapist, murderers and thieves that the believed dying for Jerusalem will relieve them of their sins (by the pope) another fun fact… Islam is the only holy ground in this planet that was won withouth spilling a single ounce of blood… “Any man behind a wall will be guaranteed safety” all the soldiers hid in their homes and mecca was won. yeah…we are the bad ones lmao.
I’m sorry friend, you have no idea about my religion and I fear that you are criticizing it out of hate. it is forbidden to create any prophecy but one “the second cumming of Christ” Muslims are waiting for Isa(jesus).. you can try and spray your input on Islam but till this day, no word in the koran has been changed and will never be changed. Dont look at me as a member of a grope of people, look at me as a individual man. I dont question your believes and dont ask you to accept mine but what is truly the difference? one extra prophet? We worship one god, the same god. why do you keep insisting that we dont.
you are really off topic, can’t you see that the evil quran was written to decieve the Christians. It is full of lies, 1) it says Adam was a first prophet and muhamad the last’, 2) it says God was sending prophets to guide the people from evil( this i agree,) 3) it says David never took Uriah’s wife, Lot never had sex with his daughter and Noah never got drunk because they are prophets and the prophets are pure and sinless. THEN, if Adam was a prophet, To whom was he sent to guide since he was the first person, (listen to your quran) AGAIN, In the quran it’s written that Adam sinned and was expelled from paradise, How could he commit a sin since he was a prophet because your quran says prophets cant commit sins, why do you believe that’s a sin, because it’s in the quran? About David, Lot and Noah you disbelieve because it’s in the Bible? Watch your quran, so it’s either Adam is not the first person to be created or he was not a prophet The quran lied. He is the Father of all peoples. AGAIN, the prophets can commit sins because prophet Adam did. The quran lies in order to swallow the Christians.
Our holy prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him did not do that thing. He was, is, will be the best person in the world. Why are the christians so jealous of Islam.
Dear Fatima.
Shalom.
It is true that Muhammad out up a black stone on the Kaaba , and told his followers to kiss the stone to get rid of their sins.
The truth is that only the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus the Messiah, can cleanse a man from his sins. If He do not give His life to Jesus, a man will die in his sins.
Since we can be saved from Hell by the blood of Jesus, why do you feel Christians are jealous of Islam? Please explain.
Ok, who ever wrote this article obviously doesn’t have a clue what they are chatting about. Muslims don’t believe God has children let alone 3 daughters. Muslim don’t worship the sun or moon, let alone call the moon God. The stone did not fall from the moon, they are two completely different type of rocks!!! Use your common sense, black basalt rock completely different composition, studies done on the rock confirm that. Moon is used as a symbol becuase of the lunar calender used in the Islamic world as appose to the Christian calender that use the solar calendar.
You don’t have to be a genius to reliase this article has no foundation to prove Muslims worship stone. That’s equivalent to saying Christians worship the cross, which is not true.
Dear Joseph.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Kissing a black stone in Mecca is not going to take away punishment for sins. Neither kissing a cross or a crucifix, like the Catholic religion promotes. The only way to escape the fire of Hell, is to let the blood of Jesus wash your sins away. That happened 2000 years ago in Jerusalem, when the Messiah shed his blood for our sins. The Lamb of God gives those who believe in Him eternal life. Those who reject Him will perish. Amen.
The trouble is most of us are found in the flesh and not seeing in the spiritual realm. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood.Spirits principalities and rulers of this age should be dealt with in the spiritual but we chose to look at black stones traditions and peace which will never come till the Prince of fullness (shalom) peace comes Messiah!Elohim had and has a plan for the redemption of man to the Jew first and then the Gentile and to bless Israel is to be blessed and to curse Israel is to not reap the blessing not because of the flesh but where we can all be one in spirit. It is not by might or power but by the Ruach Ha Kodesh (the Spirit of Holiness!)Be made whole no matter what traditional religion you might have come from! Messiah made the way straight!
Dear Matthias.
Shalom, and welcome back with this comment.
The Bible says God is spirit, and have to be worshiped in spirit and in truth. To kiss a cross or a black stone, is idol worship. Created things gets the place, that only the Creator shall have in our life. To bless Israel, is to honor the returning Messiah. He has gathered them home to the land of their forefathers, so that every blind eye shall get a chance to see that there is a living God faithful to His Words and promises.
The subject of Jesus: He was a man. A man who knew not what the father knew (I thought if he is a god then why is he not ALL knowing like the day of judgement.) as the bible says “only the father knows of the hour” second have you thought of how God created Adam (no father no mother) and how he created Eve (no mother) so why would he not create Jesus (no father) this is your holy trinity. the father Adam has no father the son Jesus and the holy ghost which gave birth to both Eve and Jesus without mother and father. so if you belive that Jesus was the son of God because he didn’t have a father then you need to put Adam and Eve on the same level wouldn’t you think. God is the creator no matter in which fashion he creates he is still the creator and not the father of anything. thank you.
Perfect way to say it.. U ROCK!!!
you are wrong emma first know about islam and reply got it
NICE COMMENT.. WAY to go
that was really well put!
1) Nobody said that (and I quote you) “…God has children let alone 3 daughters”. what Muslims believe is Muhammad is the one who got married. Please do research before replying as if you know everything! 2) meaning of worship from dictionary.com:
wor·ship
[wur-ship] Show IPA noun, verb, wor·shiped, wor·ship·ing or ( especially British ) wor·shipped, wor·ship·ping.
noun
1.
reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.
2.
formal or ceremonious rendering of such honor and homage: They attended worship this morning.
3.
adoring reverence or regard: excessive worship of business success.
4.
the object of adoring reverence or regard.
5.
( initial capital letter ) British . a title of honor used in addressing or mentioning certain magistrates and others of high rank or station (usually preceded by Your, His, or Her ).
Quran proves – “Allah” is NOT a ‘moon god’:
“And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Do not bow down (prostrate) to the sun nor to the moon, but only bow down (prostrate) to “Allah” Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.” [Quran 41:37]
The Christian acquaintance who sent me a copy of Morey’s booklet also sent me five questions related to this subject. I will attempt to answer them below:
Question 1:
What is the significance of the crescent moon in Islam?
Answer:
The Qur’ân answers this question before you asked it. Read this verse:
They ask you about the new moons. Say: These are signs to mark fixed periods of time for mankind and for the pilgrimage (Qur’ân 2:189).
Question 2:
Why does Islam follow a lunar calendar?
Answer:
In both the Bible and the Qur’ân religious festivals are regulated by the lunar calendar. Jews and Muslims have kept to these regulations which they believe to be from God. Why does Christianity follow a solar calendar?
Question 3:
Why is the feast of Ramadan marked by the appearance of the crescent moon?
Answer:
I think you mean the fast of Ramadan. God commanded Muslims in the Qur’ân to fast from dawn to sunset during the month called Ramadan (see Qur’ân 2:185, 187). The beginning and end of the month is determined by the crescent (2:189) based on the instruction of God’s Messenger, on whom be peace.
Why this method and not another is not for us to say but for God and His Messenger to prescribe. However, I find it an efficient method. It is a universally applicable method, and it allows for Ramadan to move through all the seasons. This allows believers to have the pleasure of worshipping God by fasting in all the various seasons: one year in the summer, some years later in the winter.
Question 4:
Why does the Quran place the Sabeans on the same level with Jews and Christians when scholars have clearly proven that the Sabeans were involved in the moon cult?
Answer:
I am not aware that the Qur’ân has placed the Sabeans on the same level with Jews and Christians. Perhaps you have in mind the following verse:
Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians and Sabians, whoever believes in “Allah” and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord. On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (Qurpan 2:62; also 5:69).
This verse, however, does not place the Sabeans on the same level as the Jews and Christians except in a particular context. The verse speaks of four distinct communities, and offers all four the opportunity to fear not nor grieve if only they would believe in “Allah” and the Last Day and do right. The four communities are:
(a) the Believers (i.e., the Muslims)
(b) the Jews
(c) the Christians and
(d) the Sabeans.
While they are all offered the same opportunity for improvement, nothing, is said in this verse about the validity of the existing faiths of these four communities. Otherwise the Jews and Christians who are criticized in the Qur’ân for their deviations will not be placed on the same level with the believers. The matter becomes clear when you realise that believers here does not mean saved persons but those who ostensibly belong to the community of Muslims. They, as well as the other three groups, must do the following to be saved: believe in “Allah” , believe in the Last Day, and do right. Doing right, according to the Qur’ân, includes following every teaching of Muhammad.
Questions 5:
Did the Meccans worship the true God since they recognized “Allah” ? Was “Allah” one of the gods of the Ka’bah? And if so, where did the Meccans derive the recognition and the name of “Allah” from?
Answer:
First, “Allah” was not one of the 360 idols which were in the Ka’abah, although Morey has claimed this without evidence. When the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) entered Meccah victorious he went into the Ka’abah and broke the idols therein.
Second, the word “Allah” has been used all along for the name of “God” in the Arabic Bible for Jews and Christians alike. The proof is easy to verify; simple go to any hotel or motel on the earth and look in the drawer next to the bed and take out the complimentary Bible, placed there by the Giddeons and then look on page 5 or 6 where they list the examples of translations they have made into other languages. The second example given is for Arabic speakers. The verse is from the Gospel of John, chapter 3, verse 16. Everyone knows this one; “For God so loved the world…” and the word in Arabic for “God” is “Allah.” Then if you have a Bible in Arabic, look on page one in Genesis, and you will find the word “Allah” fourteen times.
Next, the word for “God” to the Arabs, ever since the time of Abraham, peace be upon him, has been “Allah” and He is to them, the Lord of the Ka’bah (the black box in the center of the Holy Sanctuary in Makkah). He was the unseen God whom they would call upon when in distress. Yes, they worshipped the true God but their worship was not purely for Him. They also worshipped other gods thinking that they would act as intermediaries between them and the true God Allah.
The Arabs know of Allah because Abraham visited Meccah and together with his son Ishmael laid the foundation of the Ka’abah. The descendants of Ishmael retained some of the worship rites and beliefs from Abraham. This included their knowledge of the true God Allah.
Elsewhere we have shown conclusively that the true god, “El” of the Bible is the same as “Allah” of the Quran.
Please refer to: “Yahweh, Jehovah, or Allah – What Is God’s Real Name?” by Sheikh Shabir Ally
Dear Truth.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Thanks for a long and reflective comment. Since Islam is a young religion, and the Koran has verses that is similar to the Bible, we have to agree that Islam has copied a lot from earlier revelations from God. The Issue is: Can Islam be a false revelation, not from God but from the enemy of God?
Since Jesus walked on Earth 600 years before Muhammad, the Arabic prophet naturally spoke about the Jewish Messiah, and reduced him to the prophet «Isa». But since Muhammad rejects Jesus of Nazareth as God, the divine God the Son, Islam denies the blood of Jesus. People who have not let the blood of God wash away their sins, will perish.
Jesus is the gate to the Kingdom of Heaven. The only gate.
This is the truth.
600 years? how long after Moses did jesus come? what do you mean by copy? IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE relevant to what Jesus’ message was since the prophet Mohammad was the last messenger who came right after prophet Jesus. to doubt the last prophet or any abrahamic prophets is like to doupt all prophet. use common sense.. no, go read the Qur’an, understand it and then comment cause your just putting in words for the sake of the argument. I love the fact that you have faith in God! I admire that the most in a person but brother… your not very smart.
600 years? how long after Moses did jesus come? what do you mean by copy? IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE relevant to what Jesus’ message was since the prophet Mohammad was the last messenger who came right after prophet Jesus. to doubt the last prophet or any abrahamic prophets is like to doupt all prophet. use common sense.. no, go read the Qur’an, understand it and then comment cause your just putting in words for the sake of the argument. I love the fact that you have faith in God! I admire that the most in a person but brother… your not very smart.
AND who said jesus was gods son? did you hear him? or did you read about it in a book written by men? the same book that was rewritten several time and was the source to control humanity witch is an open secret. And you doubt that we might fallow a fake religion?
Dear Sanjan.
Shalom, and welcome tot this site.
You wrote:
AND who said jesus was gods son? did you hear him? or did you read about it in a book written by men?
My reply:
I can see that your are a truth seeker. Jesus has promised that all truth seekers shall be saved. He will come when you call on His name, and humbly asks him if He is alive.
My dear brother: Have you asked Him? Have you tried to pray in His name?
If Jesus is alive, it makes the whole difference. His words are truth. There is a living God, and there is a Hell to escape, and a Heaven to win.
i found this link..hope you will find this interesting about sacred places….open mind is needed…thnx….http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJaEzAYWdFw
Makes sense to me Ivan. It’s similar to a catholic deception, the monstrance. The pope holds that sun symbol up but no your not bowing down before the sun, somehow the sun symbol represents Jesus. So Allah is the moon-god and the crescent moon their symbol. The Catholic Mary is the sun goddess. And as seems apparent the two will someday be married and united against Christ.
Dear ivarfjeld
I believe you to be a literate individual but am confused as to the level of hogwash I find in your post.
It suffers from gross lack of research.
Muslims dont bow down to the Black Stone or worship it. We only kiss it because we saw our Prophet do it.
And neither do the Muslims worship the Kaaba rather they worship towards it. The companions of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH used to stand on top of the Kaaba to give the call to prayer. Is that something you would do to something you worship??
Second where does everyone get this ridiculously stupid idea that Muslims worship the moon God?? The symbol of the moon you see everywhere is because the Muslims follow the Lunar calender as opposed to the Gregorian or solar calender.
The pagan rituals you say Islam follows are the rituals laid down by the Prophet Abraham AS and the pagans incorporated those rituals in their religon and that means that Muslims follow the rituals laid down by the Prophet Abraham.
The word ALLAH means in arabic THE GOD so everyone used that name even the pagans, infact the non muslims in arab counrties still do as it is not the name of the Muslim God. It just means TRUE GOD.
This is the Irrefutable Truth
I would highly advise you to research a bit more next time.
Peace
Dear Lifeinpk.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
It is important to see the differences between Islam and Christianity. Because many people are confused, and think we both serve the same God. To kiss a stone as a religious ritual, will bring down God`s wrath on a man. To teach that a stone wash away sins, is pure blasphemy in regards to the teaching of Jesus. Only His blood can wash away our sins, and save us form the coming judgment.
Muslims that do not surrender to Jesus the Messiah will perish. They will die unsaved in their sins.
There is no other remedy for sins that the blood shed by God the Son in Jerusalem. His mercy and grace covers any man on Earth, who is willing to believe in His message.
Dear ivarfjeld
you wrote:
It is important to see the differences between Islam and Christianity. Because many people are confused, and think we both serve the same God. To kiss a stone as a religious ritual, will bring down God`s wrath on a man. To teach that a stone wash away sins, is pure blasphemy in regards to the teaching of Jesus. Only His blood can wash away our sins, and save us form the coming judgment.
Muslims that do not surrender to Jesus the Messiah will perish. They will die unsaved in their sins.
There is no other remedy for sins that the blood shed by God the Son in Jerusalem. His mercy and grace covers any man on Earth, who is willing to believe in His message.
My reply:
True infact. If you worship Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) then yes Muslims and Christians do not worship the same God.
According to the teachings of Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) there is no one worthy of worship except the True God and associating someone with him is an unforgivable sin and Blasphemy.
The black stone itself can do nothing. We kiss it to please God and hope he washes away a bit of our sins. Without God’s promise regarding the black stone noone would kiss it.
Similarly i ask you how can Blood wash away our sins? You have issue with the black stone yet profess the blood of a man that no longer according to you is alive hence his blood no longer available can wash away sins?
Similarly People after the advent of Islam who do not follow the true message (Muslims who are Muslims in name only are included as well) will forever burn in the fire.
And God says that he is ever ready to forgive any sin except worship of another or associating someone with him. If a non-believer converts to Islam then all his previous sins are forgiven.
to lifeinpk:
No disrepect to Muslims or Islam. I can assure you false Christian Messiahs concern me even more than Islam.
How can sin be forgiven unless it is paid for? Eye for an eye, Tooth for a tooth and Blood for blood. If Men could judge in this matter without error then there would have been no need for the “Mana which fell from heaven”-Jesus. Through the blood sacrifice of Himself, was the gift of salvation paid for and offered to ALL Men; even though all men have not accepted this gift.
God gave us free-will, and likewise, so does Jesus. Additionally I believe ivarfjeld, has a point. This ceremony is clearly stone worship. The participants surround the stone image which is place in the center. They also bow to it and kiss it. This behavior can be compared to orthodox Jewish worship of the Wailing Wall.
These behaviors are common pagan rituals; the worship of gold, silver, fortresses, stone, and wood.
Allah says in the quran ::
157. That they said [in boast], “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the
Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was
made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no
[certain] knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed
him not;
158. Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power,
Wise;
Suhaib,
The bible is very clear that many false prophets have arisen, to deceive people, and many are still here.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
God and Jesus Christ are one. John 10:30
James 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!
Jesus Christ is our Savior and had resurrected. He is alive and coming soon. The Word of God is the complete truth.
1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. (My Comment: Did you read that? GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH)
John 8:58 – Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Suhaib, I really hope you consider the Holy Bible, and realize that Our King Jesus Christ is coming shortly. We do not have too much time left on this world, and I will pray that Jesus Christ touches our heart.
God Bless.
Lifeinpk- You said,” Similarly I ask you how can Blood wash away our sins? You have issue with the black stone yet profess the blood of a man that no longer according to you is alive hence his blood no longer available can wash away sins?
My response: Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice by dying and his blood did wash away our sins. BUT JESUS IS ALIVE. He resurrected. HE IS NOT DEAD-BUT ALIVE. Muhammad was in cahoots with Satan. Islam is filled with everything that’s against what Jesus stood for.
The bible says: Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me.
1 Corinthians 15 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter,[b] and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Lifeinpk: I quoted just some of the bible verses that prove Jesus is alive, and he is coming again to rapture the church. Look at the signs in the sky, the world, Jesus will return. Here are two more bible verses: Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. (Luke 21:26)
When you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. (Luke 21:31)
But lastly Lifeinpk, if none of these convince you. Pray, pray that God can forgive you for your sins. Because Islam is the lie of Satan. And the Anti-christ who will arrive shortly, will deceive people even more, by performing magical signs and lying wonders.
And take my word as truth: Just as I’ve seen the faces of demons that want to torment day and night, I have seen the Glory of God. Awake, close to me, there was an angel. How did I know it was from God? I cannot explain perfection, I cannot explain the most beautiful love I’ve ever felt, but in that moment, I wanted that angel to take me to Christ. His love so bright and shining, his love was perfection.
I pray that people will awaken soon, before it’s too late. Because I’ve seen what awaits those who reject Christ.
It’s absurd to think that one man is sent down to us and let him be killed by us so we can go to heaven, how can we go to heaven if we kill another just so we can go to heaven, that sounds more like something the devil want us to belive.
If you all read the Qur’an your questions will be answered, read hadiths too.
And there is only one who can forgive humans for our sins and that is Allah (god)(azza wa jal), and a thought in a “christian perspective” why would our God come down in human form to take away our sins so they could come in to heaven that must mean that you can do all terrible things you want like rape, kill, steal and so on and still go to heaven because he’s gonna wash away my sins with his blood? That makes no sense!
And Allah (God) is the almighty, all-knowing and all-seeing, and he doesn’t need to come down to earth to forgive us for our sins.
Why think that we can do everything that’s haram (forbidden) and still be forgiven and come to heaven without earning Allahs (allahu alam) blessing and forgivness.
How many christians for example pray? You all think that you can walk around having fun and don’t think sbout whst you do or how you act all day until the day of judgement and your sins will be washed away by blood from another?
And we all know that the bible is the most rewritten book in religion, pages lost, pages rewritten, pages added, words lost words added etc.
And to say that Al Qur’an is fake or “newly written” based from the bible is all wrong since it’s still in it’s original arabic language written for all to understand and about our last prophet Muhammad (sallAllahu alaihi wa sallam) he got the complete Qur’an from Allah sent by Angel Jibreel to us and it’s to all humans and generations in the world, our earlier prophets only got a revieling to their people/tribe like Musa (Moses) come to save his people from the farao, Ibrahim, Noah who built the ark for his people, Isa (Jesus) and many more may Allah bless them all.
It seems like some read what they wanna read so I’m gonna repeat what some before me have written.. the black stone is nothing that we worship or praying to, I’ll write so you can understand it’s more like a gift we have recived, lightly described.
And Kaaba is our praying direction since Kaaba was requested from Allah that Ibrahim should build in Makka also near the zamzam-well, also lightly described for you.
As I wrote earlier read the hadiths and the Qur’an and questions and thoughts will be answered.
▪Allah humma inni aa-zubika min an’aooshu-riak bika shai’an aalamu wa aastagfiruka leema la aalam
Caroleen,
you have stumbled on the ‘stumbling block’ of the gospel: the cross of Jesus Christ.
To the lost, it is foolisness, but to the saved and redeemed, it is a priceless treasure – te only hope of salvation.
You say ‘Only God can forgive sins’. Yes, that is right.
When Jesus said to the paralysed man ‘your sins are forgiven’, the religious ‘experts’ of the day were outraged – because only God can forgive sins! Who was this Jesus claiming to be?!
And Jesus said, “But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic—
“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.””
And the paralyzed man was immediately healed.
An ordinary, sinful man, dying for the sins of another – that is not possible. God demands a perfect atonement for sins. Jesus was/is no ordinary man. He is both 100% human and 100% God at the same time. Terefore He can satisfy the righteous judgment of God over sin, and pay the price for our salvation.
God shows His approval of this great sacrifice, by raising Jesus Christ up from the dead after three days.
Jesus death and resurrection is man’s only hope of reconciliation to God. There is no other hope.
I hope for you, Caroleen, that you will have the courage to set down what you perhaps have been taugt all your life, and that you would cry out to God to show you the truth about Jesus/Yesou’a lmassiH.
Try to find a bible in your own language, or at least a New Testament. Read it, and pray for God to show you the truth.
There is no light or salvation in Islam. No muslim has ever been able to show me any such hope. Even Muhammed himself prayed ‘ehdini fi ttariq al mustaqim’ (lead me on the straight path). And even on his deathbed he prayed for his own salvation.
Yesou’a alMassiH said: ‘I AM the Way, the Truth and the Light. No one comes to the Father but by me’.
(Ana huwa ttariiq wal Haqq wal Hayaat. La ya’ti aHad ilal aabi illa bee.)
I hope you want the Way, the Truth and the Life, Caroleen?
Actually I’m born with a christian “mind” but never grown up with it and under all my years on this earth I never felt anything for the bible.
And yes Jesus did some exraordinary things but so did Moses when he separated the ocean for him and his people to cross and it was from God.
Was he also a God? Because so far I know he acted upon faith and messages from God.
And didn’t Jesus say to his people to belive in God, his lord and our lord. If he is God himself he wouldn’t say that even if he would be “the son of God”
And just like many other prophets and messengers they have been called fools, magicicans, liars etc and so happend to Jesus too.
Another thing, if we say that Jesus are Gods son .. and in the bible also some say that God is a jealous one and only he should be worshipped, why would The God aloud us to worship his son? We all know that in the church it’s statues and pictures of Jesus
Since they are not the same you say he(God) has a son but then he wouldn’t aloud you to worship someone that’s not him, so either you say that God and Jesus are the same or you worship the one who stand beside God (his son)
nothing here is correct.
please search in another area
peace be to all. islam and christ followers. what if the black rock was made up? what then? would the moon not exist? I don’t know how to relate this with the cross? Buddah said that he would walk after eating a full meal, but not during a lunar year. help us understand the college of thought, huh?
well people kiss the stone because they find it amazing , not to get something from it !that stone was once brilliant white untill the sins of man made it black , Thats it , there no special powers from it
Zak Aslam,
Whether you kiss it, or find it amazing, it is still a form of worship, and God is direct in his words.
Jeremiah 8:2 And they shall be spread before the sun and the moon and all the host of heaven, which they have loved and served, which they have gone after, and which they have sought and worshiped. And they shall not be gathered or buried. They shall be as dung on the surface of the ground.
What can a dead stone do for you? Absolutely nothing. But what has Christ done for you and everyone else? He died for our sins, so we could have life through him.
The bible is crystal clear: Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk,
I cant believe muslims reject Christ even though they believe a baby (round stone inside a VAGINA/VULVA looking shape at the kaaba) will “take away sins”
sounds like they beleive in Jesus and dont even know it.
its obvious its a YONI… that is the name for the vagina looking silver structure giving birth ..at the kaaba.
islam is just a mishmosh of all religions..they got some things right copied and a lot wrong..without the SPIRIT
of course they have no spirit..they discuss female circumcisions and how many times to breast feed an adult male..so that they can become related and co-workers.(look up adult suckling fatwa 2007)
they are SICK and need HELP no NORMAL spiritual beings would EVER discuss adult breastfeeding to prevent lust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmm, I thought it looked more like an eye, like the masonic “all seeing eye” on the dollar bill. The pyramid with the eye symbol I’ve seen pictures of in the Vatican also. Sort of wonder if the symbols aren’t the mark of Cain because they do alot to give them away.
Dear Ed, and all my readers.
Shalom.
You have to be pretty sex focused, to see anything in regards to body parts in the black stone worship in Mecca.
This kind of comments is a disgrace, and rather an insult towards women. The issue is not the frame, but the black stone that is suppose to take away the sins of the person who kisses the stone.
This is a replacement of the blood of the Lamb of God, that is the only remedy that can cleanse a human being from his sins.
Well to men of riches their kingdom is an earthly one. Isaiah 14 – “the kings of the earth and the princes and nephews cast lots upon the nations”
Apparently I’m not the only one who thinks it looks like an eye. Someone wrote a book about the cult of the all seeing eye.
Some strange parallels there. The prayer room in the U.S. capitol looks a lot like Mecca. I bet a lot of Americans would be surprised if the great seal of the United States was an homage to Allah.
Ed, you said: The prayer room in the U.S. capitol looks a lot like Mecca. I bet a lot of Americans would be surprised if the great seal of the United States was an homage to Allah.
My comment: We as believers in Christ would probably not be at all surprised since this world serves more satan, than Jesus Christ.
Yeah but my point of mentioning it is that others might see. I personally never picked up a bible until I learned that 9/11 was an inside job, that our leaders are members of a Satanic cult and was repulsed by them. Most think our leaders plod along doing the best they can, you can’t blame them for that no matter what goes wrong. But to murder 3,000 of your own people, blame it on someone else then kill millions more people…Isaiah 14 describes them to a tee..they fill the earth with enemies, take pleasure making the world tremble and watching people die.
I don’t know if I agree 9/11 was an inside job. Do I think the murderers had to be possessed by satan to do suc a horrific thing? Yes. I also think that maybe our leader knew ahead of time something big was going to happen (exactly what? I don’t think they knew exactly what at the time) I don’t think they’d knowingly let so many people die.
But then again, the only one who knows each of our hearts, is our King.
I remember Peter Jennings calling them demolitions over and over that day despite people telling him otherwise. He was a very observant journalist. http://www.ae911truth.org/
Dear Ed and Gloria
Shalom.
There is a lot of conspiracy theories around in regards to 9-11. The truth is basically very simple. Osama Bin Laden promised to hit America. He did so.
The irony is that the 9-11 terrorists were are Saudi Arabian nationals, just like Osama Bin Laden him self. The US have not dropped a single bomb on Saudi Arabia. Funny how Iraq had to pay for this crime against humanity. The consequence of the US war on Iraq, that has cost the US Tax payers 1 trillion USD, is that Washington has no more money to stop Iran from going nuclear. So in a way: Satan took them all for a ride.
Then we should commend Osama Bin Laden on his perfectly orchestrated attack on his enemies. Satan the great deciever who decieves all the nations did not even need to help him. Although it did backfire on him somewhat since BP has won the Iraq oil contracts and Afghanistan is producing 90% of the worlds opium supply, undoing what the Talban had done by eradicating it.
Washingtons money is made of paper, when the world is devoid of trees they will just go digital.
Then we should commend Osama Bin Laden on his perfectly orchestrated attack on his enemies. Satan the great deciever who decieves all the nations did not even need to help him.
Ed,
Don’t you think that Osama who has murdered thousands of people is probably possessed by Satan? The root of all evil is the devil.
We’re all possessed by Satan to some degree, that’s the nature of sin. Osama Bin Laden is just a man. Yet his attacks are so carefully planned they defy physics. Must be his CIA training, or there is one big conspiracy. Jesus said “forgive them father they know not what they do”. Some may know what they do, some go into the pit. World leaders seem to be first in line for the pit, according to Isaiah 14, must be a reason for that.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
You wrote:
We’re all possessed by Satan to some degree.
My comment:
We who have been sealed by the Holy Spirit, can not be possessed. (controlled). But we can surely be troubled….and tested.
Ed,
I have been reborn by the blood of Christ, and though I will always be a sinner and make mistakes, it does not mean I’m possessed by satan.
Though on this earth, I will continue to make errors, the blood of Christ has washed away my sins. I am filled with the Holy Spirit (no other!), and I thank God for that everyday.
Romans 5:8
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
The apostle Paul was still a sinner even after filled with the spirit.
Romans 7:19 For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
He recognized that he was still made of flesh, still a sinner. Even after Jesus died for his sins. Jesus died for my sins 2000 years ago but I was still born a sinner. Now after the judgement day he says he will give you a glorious body and an incorruptible heart, after that you won’t be a sinner.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
Thanks for ministering to others on this blog, challenging them to read the Bible every day.
Take a look at these two verses:
2 Corinthians 1:22
set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
2 Corinthians 5:5
Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come
(end of scriptures)
When someone set a seal on a document, the deal was done. Jesus says that no one can snatch His children out of His hands.
When someone issues a guarantee, you have a received a surety. Like a one dollar Bill. The Fed will return to you one dollar in value of (gold) or anything. The Chairman of the Fed has put his seal on the bill.
When God issues a guarantee of salvation, and put the seal of the Holy Spirit on us, there is no need to question this free gift at all.
James 4;17
Anyone, then, who knows the good he ought to do and doesn’t do it, sins.
Romans 7:18 I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
John 9:41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.
Romans 8:3 For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
Makes physics seem easy to understand huh? 9/11 = Demolition
II Corinthians 1:1 says the apostles were sealed and annoyted. When a king puts his seal on a document it’s so that nobody tampers with the document. The gospel was sealed. As Paul said let no man teach you any other gospel than what we have taught you. Doing so would bring grave consequences from the king who’s seal you had broken.
II corinthians 5:5 Is talking about the spirit/flesh thing. In the body they are absent from the lord. Though they do their best to remove themselves from the body, nevertheless they hope that both states are acceptable to the lord. Saying every man will go before the judgement seat of christ and recieve the things which are done in his body. Probably meaning by whether it brought glory or shame to the lords name. Such as confessing his name without the earnestness of your heart as a hypocrite would. Going on to say about those who speak with their face but not their heart.
The Feds money is another story. It’s worth what it can buy. But It hasn’t been pegged to gold or anything since Vietnam.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
I want you to be sure of your salvation. Its is a free gift. You do not deserve to be saved, you can not gain it, work it, purchase it.
Judges 6:9
I snatched you from the power of Egypt and from the hand of all your oppressors. I drove them from before you and gave you their land.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
It is true that we continue to make mistakes after we have understood what salvation is all about. Its called being human. We must not hide our mistakes (sins), but confess them and try our best to avoid committing the same mistake again.
We can only do this with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, who convict us about our sins. The Spirit that leads us towards repentance and reconciliation will be present in every born again Christian.
Ed,
I never said I wasn’t a sinner. I sin everyday.
What I said was that I wasn’t possessed by Satan, because the Holy Spirit is in me.
Me too.
Obvious,
Your language is a bit vulgar.
The Bible says:
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
And as to your opinion: “islam is just a mishmosh of all religions..they got some things right copied and a lot wrong..”
I believe Islam has everything wrong when it comes to there so called religion. There is no right away other than Jesus Christ.
I totally agree with “Satan took them all for a ride.”
So Muhammad was descended from pagans who worshiped a moon god, and certain elements of these previous religious practices have seeped through into Islam. So what? Christ was a Jew, and no rational person would deny that certain elements of the Hebrew faith have found a place in Christianity. The essential truths are what are important. Muhammad threw the idols out of Mecca and insisted that all people worship the one, and only one, true God. Christ put aside all the laws and the prophets and taught a simple route to peace in this life and salvation in the next. These are the things things that are important in these two great religions, not some nonsense about worshiping a meteorite.
If you want to make any headway in your arguments about the relative merits of religions, try focusing on the essential truths, assuming you have enough brains to understand them. If not, just go out and burn some holy books.
Dear Pedagoguish
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
The essential truths are what are important. Muhammad threw the idols out of Mecca and insisted that all people worship the one, and only one, true God.
My reply:
So, you feel it is ok that Muhammad put up a black stone in Mecca, told the Arabs to kiss it to wash away their sins?
Dear Pedagoguish
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
The essential truths are what are important. Muhammad threw the idols out of Mecca and insisted that all people worship the one, and only one, true God.
My reply:
So, you feel it is ok that Muhammad put up a black stone in Mecca, told the Arabs to kiss it to wash away their sins?
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, “Three”; desist – it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. (Surah 4:171)
They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent. (Surah 5:17)
They have certainly disbelieved who say, ” Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary” while the Messiah has said, “O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord.” Indeed, he who associates others with Allah – Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers. (Surah 5:72)
The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. (Surah 5:75)
The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah “; and the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah .” That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? (Surah 9:30)
Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One, Allah , the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” (Surah 112:1-4)
Dear T4C
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
The Koran says this in Sura [23:91: GOD has never begotten a son……
That is a lie. The Bible says that GOD has a Son, equal to Him self. We know Him as Jesus of Nazareth, Son of God.
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Your prophet Muhammad is not telling you the truth. If you want to now the truth, buy your self a Bible.
u say jesus is son of god…rite can u mention the name of that god……………..????
hehe which bible? there are many different one. u said The Bible says that GOD has a Son, A son?
what about psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
another son? Oh my word.
here god is saying to david.
Muslims do NOT worship the moon! They use it to determine the start and end of a month.
God does NOT have any daughters! God is one. God has no parents, no partner, no siblings, no sons or daughters!
The thing correct here is that ‘Mohammad declared that Allah alone should be worshiped’. Muslims worship God alone.
Oh please,
Your Comment: The thing correct here is that ‘Mohammad declared that Allah alone should be worshiped’. Muslims worship God alone.
My Comment: There is no Allah. Allah did not die on the cross. It was Jesus who died on the cross for our sins. It is Jesus who can save us from an eternity of guilt and torment. It is Jesus who is the creator of all things. It is Jesus who is coming soon.
Exodus 20:1-15
And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, …
In the Qur’an, there are many stories about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ (called ‘Isa in Arabic). The Qur’an recalls his miraculous birth, his teachings, the miracles he performed by God’s permission, and his life as a respected prophet of God. The Qur’an also repeatedly reminds that Jesus was a human prophet sent by God, not part of God Himself. Below are some direct quotations from the Qur’an regarding his life and teachings of Jesus.
“Behold! the angels said, ‘Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous… And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'” (3:45-48).
He Was a Prophet
“Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!” (5:75).
“He [Jesus] said: ‘I am indeed a servant of God. He has given me revelation and made me a prophet; He has made me blessed wheresoever I be; and He has enjoined on me prayer and charity as long as I live. He has made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable. So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)!’ Such was Jesus the son of Mary. It is a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. It is not befitting to (the majesty of) God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! When He determines a matter, He only says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is” (19:30-35).
He Was a Humble Servant of God
“And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: ‘Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?’ He will say: ‘Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: ‘Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'” (5:116-117).
His Teachings
“When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: ‘Now I have come to you with Wisdom, and in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute. Therefore, fear God and obey me. God, He is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him — this is a Straight Way.’ But sects from among themselves fell into disagreement. So woe to the wrongdoers, from the penalty of a Grievous Day!” (43:63-65)
when in quran jesus’s name is mention in such high position and with such high respect ,,,,,, then y do u all talk rubbish about allah and his creations…….. allah is one he does not belong to anyone….but everything in this world and the universe belongs to allah the almighty ……jesus was our prophet and came to earth to carry out good work……..
Of course they (muslims) worship that stone. It is obvious.
The problem is not terrorists, but ignorant people such as yourselves who believe your ‘god’ is a carpenter who died 2000 years ago and the writings about whom had nothing to do with his physical life. Not one ‘gospel writer’ met Jesus. Nobody stood next to him recording his sayings. Mohammad’s sayings were made up a century or more after his death. Jesus’ sayings were made up half a century after his death. You think that 50 years made a difference from one being a god and the other being an agent of Satan? Grow up. A religion is not the problem, religion is the problem.
J,
You should read the bible and trust completely, and only in Jesus Christ Our Savior, because he is the creator of all things.
Hebrews 11:1-6
Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the people of old received their commendation. By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.
By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
J, sounds like you haven’t read the Bible. One of the Gospel writers was John, a disciple of Jesus, who was an eye witness. He also has 3 books not including his Revelation. Peter, another eye witness and close friend to Jesus has two books. James, also the brother and eye witness of Jesus, has a book. Its in the back of the Bible..and you call people ignorant.
They all physically met Jesus. J, and you call people ignorant.
TO: Gloria and ivarfjeld
You are two idiots. It’s evident through the replies you have given, that on not a single occasion can you find a defense against the fact that the Quran itself says not to worship the celestial bodies.
False article.
That is all.
Dear Falsearticle
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I see your email-ID is: obviousfalsearticle@hotmail.com
Did you create this email ID only for the purpose of reply to this article?
Falsearticle,
It’s evident that the Muslim religion is not full of peace, and that their “book” contains verses where it excuses and allows the harming of other people.
Verses like these: “Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter… But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful… If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression” (2:190-193).
And there is the fact that the Quran allows for the disrespect of women.
Qur’an (4:3) “Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four”
And the disrespect continues Qur’an (2:223) “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”
Yet Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior tells us this about our enemies.
Matthew 5:43-48
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
And Jesus Christ tells us this about women:
Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
Colossians 3:19 ESV Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
Ephesians 5:28 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
And one more important thing, to those who do not belive that Jesus Christ is God, and that the Word of God is the truth:
Here it is: John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
God Bless.
TO : falsearticle
you are absolutely rite these two idiots ( gloria and ivarfjeld)
are not only idiots but also stupid ,fools and does not have common sense at all………first go and take a bath and wash off all your sins and pray to allah the almighty to forgive u ……… for ur betterment………mind it ……………..
ASALAM U ALAIKUM:
Mr. ADMINISTRATOR:
You better research for more 5-10 minutes so that you will be able to know and understand and communicate and acknowledge the fact that Muslims do not worship the HOLY KAABA OR THE BLACK STONE, we only worship the creator of that BLACK-STONE which was sent by the CREATOR OF THIS UNIVERSE ie ALLAH to his PROPHET IBRAHIM (peace be upon him)only as a tool for building KAABA. We bow towards KAABA only to make our prayers unidirectional which makes our prayers disciplined. Mr. Administrator u cannot throw things based on your assumptions
Sajeel,
Bowing down or worshiping anything is against God’s rules. It is written in the Holy Word of God: Isaiah 42:8 God said, “I am the LORD; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
And Just as important: Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
The quoran is a confused book, imagined by the messenger of hell.I can say this clearly that you muslims will regret on the judgement day when Jesus Christ will appear in HIS glory with HIS powerful angels to judge the whole world.Muhammad cannot save you because he could not save himself from death.His bones are still rottening in his grave up till today.Allah cannot save you because it is a man-made god.It is dumb, deaf and dead completely.If allah were God I challenge it to prove itself.you muslims cannot differentiate the spirits.All spirits are welcome in islam.That was why muhammad could not define the spirit he said he encountered at the cave of hira.Muhammad was his own witness.
ALLAH THE ALMIGHTY
The word “Allah” is the perfect description of the “One God” of monotheism for Jews, Christians and Muslims!
Is “Allah” only for Islam and Muslims?
[No! It is for All Three Abrahamic Faiths.]
“Allah” is the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs in their Bible, centuries before Islam came.
On page one [1] of Genesis in the Old Testament, we find the word “Allah” seventeen [17] times.
Every hotel and motel has a Bible. Next time you see one look in the introduction, you will find samples of the different languages they have translated. For Arabic they have translated the verse in the New Testament in Arabic from the famous verse in the Gospel John 3:16 –
“For God so loved the world…”
– and the word the translators used in Arabic for “God” is the very same word used by Muslims around the planet, “Allah.”
Where Does the word “Allah” Come From?
“Allah” comes from the Arabic word “elah”a god’ or something worshiped. – (Arabic) means ‘
This word (elah) can be made plural (gods), as in “aleha” and it can be male or female just as the word in English can be “goddess.”
“Allah” comes from “elaha” but it brings more clarification and understanding.
Allah = Has no gender (not male and not female)
“He” is used only out of respect and dignity – not for gender
Allah = Always singular – Never plural
“We” is used only as the “Royal WE” just as in English for royalty
Allah = Means “The Only One to be Worshipped”
Dear Yasser
Shalom.
You wrote:
Allah = Has no gender (not male and not female)
“He” is used only out of respect and dignity – not for gender
Allah = Always singular – Never plural
“We” is used only as the “Royal WE” just as in English for royalty
Allah = Means “The Only One to be Worshipped”
My comment:
This expose why God of the Bible and “god” of the Koran can never be the same. One is the true and living God, and the other is a demon sent by Satan to deceive people.
God has a gender. We have a Father in Heaven. A male God, who physically sit on His throne in His Kingdom.
God is plural. Elohim is a plural Hebrew word. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is the ONLY God man shall worship.
I POST ONLY THE TRUTH AND IS FOR THE READER CHOOSE
MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE
Could He Be The “Paraklytos”?
More than fourteen centuries have passed since the prophet of Arabia made claim to being the last and final ‘messenger and slave’ of Allah. Yet the intensity of discussion amongst scholars from all religions seems to have increased over the years and gained in velocity in the last few years more so than ever before.
Who was this man? What do his followers believe about him? How can others understand their undying devotion to his mission? What do the scholars tell us about this man, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, and his ‘message’ to the world?
For more than fourteen centuries scholars from Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been discussing whether or not the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, could have indeed, been a true prophet from Almighty God.
Was he the long awaited ‘Messiah’ the Jews have been waiting for so many centuries?
Was he the one prophesied in the Old Testament Book of Isaiah, calling in the wilderness?
Was he ‘That Prophet’ mentioned in the New Testament Gospel of John?
We would like to share some of the findings of these scholars from their own sources and invite the reader to consider these evidences.
The most recent claim of revelation coming from the God of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus, peace be upon them, is the claim of Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, regarding the Quran. The Quran makes the claim, Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is the ‘slave and messenger’ of Almighty God.
But more importantly pertaining to our subject at hand, the Quran makes the claim that Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is mentioned by name in the previous revelations (meaning the Bible). Can this claim be substantiated?
Let us begin by examining the statement in the Quran contained in the 61st chapter (As-Saff [the ranks]), verse 6:
And when Jesus said; “O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving glad tidings of an apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.”
[Holy Quran 61:6]
Please take notice of the name mentioned, ‘Ahmad’. This is one of the most common of several names given to the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, by his own people.
Now let us turn to the Old Testament (Torah of the Jews) and notice the book called Songs of Solomon, chapter 5, verse 16:
His mouth is very sweet;
he is totally desirable. 33
This is my beloved!
This is my companion, O maidens of Jerusalem!
Check the footnote (33) to discover what the word was BEFORE it was translated as “totally desirable” and in some versions of the translations we find, “altogether lovely.”
(makhmaddim, “desirable”) is the plural form of the noun (makhmad, “desire, desirable thing, precious object”; (see below note #33)
It is asserted that this word “Makhmaddim” is in reality the word “Akhmad” or “AHmad”. The reason for the emphasis on the “kh” sound is to prounouce the very hard “H” sound of the two types of “h” in the Semetic languages.
There is a word used in a passage of the New Testament of the Bible, located in the Gospel of John, chapter 14, verse 16, that many Muslim scholars refer to as pointing to the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. Let us review it and then observe what non-Muslim scholars comment about it.
14:15 “If you love me, you will obey34 my commandments. 35
14:16 Then36 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate37 to be with you forever—
14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept,38 because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides39 with you and will be40 in you.
Old Testament Song of Solomon 5:16 note 33tn
The term (makhmaddim, “desirable”) is the plural form of the noun (makhmad, “desire, desirable thing, precious object”; HALOT 570 s.v. 1; BDB 326 s.v.). Like the plural (“sweetness”) in the preceding parallel line, this use of the plural is probably an example of the plural of intensity: “very desirable.”
34tn Or “will keep.”
35sn Jesus’ statement If you love me, you will obey my commandments provides the transition between the promises of answered prayer which Jesus makes to his disciples in vv. 13-14 and the promise of the Holy Spirit which is introduced in v. 16. Obedience is the proof of genuine love.
36tn Here kaiv (kai) has been translated as “Then” to reflect the implied sequence in the discourse.
37tn Or “Helper” or “Counselor”; Grk “Paraclete,” from the Greek word paravklhto” (paraklhto”). Finding an appropriate English translation for paravklhto” is a very difficult task. No single English word has exactly the same range of meaning as the Greek word. “Comforter,” used by some of the older English versions, appears to be as old as Wycliffe. But today it suggests a quilt or a sympathetic mourner at a funeral. “Counselor” is adequate, but too broad, in contexts like “marriage counselor” or “camp counselor.” “Helper” or “Assistant” could also be used, but could suggest a subordinate rank. “Advocate,” the word chosen for this translation, has more forensic overtones than the Greek word does, although in John 16:5-11 a forensic context is certainly present. Because an “advocate” is someone who “advocates” or supports a position or viewpoint and since this is what the Paraclete will do for the preaching of the disciples, it was selected in spite of the drawbacks.
38tn Or “cannot receive.”
39tn Or “he remains.”
40tc Some early and important witnesses (Ì66* B D* W 1 565 it) have ejstin (estin, “he is”) instead of e[stai (estai, “he will be”) here, while other weighty witnesses ({Ì66c,75vid Í A D1 L Q Y Ë13 33vid Ï as well as several versions and fathers}), read the future tense. When one considers transcriptional evidence, ejstin is the more difficult reading and better explains the rise of the future tense reading, but it must be noted that both Ì66 and D were corrected from the present tense to the future. If ejstin were the original reading, one would expect a few manuscripts to be corrected to read the present when they originally read the future, but that is not the case.
When one considers what the author would have written, the future is on much stronger ground. The immediate context (both in 14:16 and in the chapter as a whole) points to the future, and the theology of the book regards the advent of the Spirit as a decidedly future event (see, e.g., 7:39 and 16:7). The present tense could have arisen from an error of sight on the part of some scribes or more likely from an error of thought as scribes reflected upon the present role of the Spirit. Although a decision is difficult, the future tense is most likely authentic. For further discussion on this textual problem, see James M. Hamilton, Jr., “He Is with You and He Will Be in You” (Ph.D. diss., The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, 2003), 213-20.
What are these myths that you say.
Christians who worship the statues and pictures of alleged and humans.
Black Stone is not necessary in Islam and not of the rituals of Hajj.
And the Black Stone is not mentioned Koran
Dear Muslim.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Christians who worship the statues and pictures of alleged and humans.
My reply:
You mistake Catholics for Christians. Followers of the Pope has never been Christians, and will never be. They do not believe in Jesus of the Bible.
looks like a female queen of heaven body part of osiris
Also we dont bow to the black stone we bow to the kaaba above the kaaba is Allah’s throne, that is why we bow toward the kaaba
Also we dont bow to the black stone we just kiss and show respect towards it no bowing
Saad,
Whoever you bow to is wrong. The Holy Word of God says Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
There is no other savior than Jesus Christ.
Sujud(bowing) is only for Allah.
The prayer are for us but the sujud is Only for Allah.
▪allahumma inni aa-uzubika min in’ooshu-riak bika shai’an wa aastagfiruka leema la alam
There is no easier way to know the truth than to see what a person has down( “judging them by their fruit” )
(a) The founder of Islam consummates a marriage to a 9 year old girl.
(b) He also uses violence on a large scale to subdue and defeat his new movements enemies eg- engages in warfare against Meccan tribe.Jewish clan in area slaughtered and decapitated for refusal to convert to Islam.
(c) Incorporating pagan symbols in the ‘new religion’ such as the black stone and practises such as praying to Mecca were clever devises and strategies to get the old tribes on side- it made the new religion more palatable.
(d) Jesus never shed blood ( it breaks the first commandment of the monotheist religion Islam claims to have reintroduced.This alone is proof enough – “the fruit”. Remember “thou shalt not kill…etc”.The muslims will go on and on about the Crusades but this is not Jesus personally. Muhammad did personally engage in violence- this is a matter of history not opinion.The Crusaders acted according to their own free will – not Jesus – so blaming him is illogical.The truth is in the pudding.
i don’t understand kissing or bowing can really wash away the sins……ok….today i’ll kill all unbelievers of the earth,rape,molestate,rob/dacoit and kiss the black stone and cros and bow down the gods …365 days 100 times each…..SO am i now clean and ready for heaven and virgins !!!
I would just like to say a piece of history that seems to be forgotten. when muslims say christianity they include catholics and their offshoots that have sprung up. These ARE NOT the true christian church.The atrocities brought about by these pagan religions in no way reflect the true christian church (the body of christ). History is proof that many have come in his name that definitely were not of his body(church). So for Islam to hold that christians did this or killed this many people is a false statement in its self. Like the Catholics and their offspring worship idols and their false doctrines so do people of the islamic religion. The true church(body) of christ has always been and always shall be persecuted until his return. If someone asks me my faith I always say i am christian.I am not however a christian as the world views it. Look into history of the usa. there was violence in the streets of christians fighting the catholic infiltration. Abraham Lincoln even worte the pope and told him he would not gain control of this country. catholicism unfortunately won in the long term. Both the majority of what is known as christian and islam BOTH worship idols.The christians (catholic and their offspring) worship the cross ,saints, and even the mother of jesus Mary.The islam religion worship the 12th imam (who they believe is the true messiah)and allah. Who’s origin is that of a moon god. A god set above some 350 other gods. Muhammads family was from a region that had this form of religious hierarchy. Muhammad simply incorporated many of the pagan customs into his new religion. As did the roman catholics who believe a man can be god on earth and even have the audacity to say these men can forgive sin. the holy bible i read says only god through the sacrifice of his only begotten son can forgive sin. Gods will shall be done no matter what these muslims or christians do. And another point of interest is this 12th imam all muslims believe in. the difference in the 2 groups is one believes you can not hasten the comiong of this mahdi(imam). While the other believes they will usher him to power through war and chaos. Both of these religions say they are founded in the old testament. can anyone show me where its says anything about a 12th imam(mahdi) religous leader? Can anyone show me where its ok to worship Mary or statues(idols) of the prophets of god? These people are reading a different old testament than i am. Did you know there is 1 unforgivable sin in islam. This sin is to say jesus is god in the flesh.to deny christ is the only way to allah. Satan,that serpent of old, has corrupted this world and the people in it.The islams also believe jesus will return. he will be behind this 12th imam(mahdi). he will join in prayer w/ this imam and bring all religions to allah. I dont know about you but i would much sooner have my head severed from my body than pledge allegience to a moon god. Both religions need to wake up and actually read the bible!
some people are soooo jealous of our religion and the way its spreading that they have no better thing to do then innovate stupid stuff about our religion. We are muslims and i wonder how we do not know this history of the artificial “made-up” moon god. ewww.
btw if jesus was son of god, are you saying indirectly that jesus was the son of a moon god? i hope and pray that for what you are doing by poisoning people about your religion if you think you ll achieve something, oops ! you are wrong.
Allah is not GOD ALMIGHTY who expressly showed HIMSELF in JESUS CHRIST.JESUS IS MY LORD AND GOD.I do not care what a paedophile, murderer, cheat, impostor and liar who called himself a prophet said.I do not care what any book of tales says.Let the judgement day come and we shall know who has said the truth.
ah idiots wht is this simply drawing some fucking images and telling us he is our phrofit……drawing some history book images and making us fool ah…….
Islam is not at all a religion of peace. Reading for the Quran is a huge contrast to reading from the Bible. While Jesus tells us to turn the other cheek, and to take a non violent approach to those who oppose him, Allah is telling his followers to kill those who does not follow him, or dare to convert from Islam. While Jesus wants us to act godly and be gentle. To be smart as snakes, but harmless as lambs. Allah wants his followers to do the opposite. If you don’t have peace in your heart, how can you have peace with anyone?
It is a huge lie that is being told that Christians, and Muslims have the same God. It is a damnable lie, one that seeks to remove people from the saving power of Jesus.
You need only to compare the books to see the difference, one takes enjoyment in sending people to hell, the other offers a way out and would rather that the sinner repents and be saved then damning anyone, taking no enjoyment in having anyone die in their sins.
“Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'” (Bukhari 84:57)
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” (Quran 8:12)
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are ruthless to the Unbelievers, but merciful to each other.” (Quran 48:29)
“Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” (Quran 2:216)
Isn’t it the bible who say eye for an eye tooth for a tooth, I think that sounds pretty violent too. If you accidently harm someone they can do the same to you but they do it with their knowledge their own free will.
Dear Caarolinee
Shalom.
Truly God of the Bible is a mass murderer. He is The Creator, and can do with His creation whatever He desire. During the flood, almost every human being was drowned by a Holy and just God.
You better watch out. If you continue to mock Him and sin, He will eventually throw your soul into Hell. That is why the Bible say, fear of the Lord, is the beginning of Wisdom. Throughout history, we can learn what have happened to all who rebelled against Him.
The good news, is that you do not have to spend eternity in Hell, as an unholy being, taking pleasure in your sins. Jesus, the Son of God, loved you enough to take the punishment that you deserve. And me to. He paid for our sins with His own blood, on the cross in Jerusalem. If you surrender to Him, you will live. Amen.
Islam is the religion of peace. The article provided over here is false. Who told that we are worshiping the holy black stone. We are not at all worshiping the black stone. We are worshiping the only god ALLAH. Allah had told us to respect it so we are respecting it. To tell you frankly it is a sin to worship the Blackstone. If you believe jesus is your god then how come he was crucified. He should have the power of forgiving others.If he did not have the power to forgive others sin that means he is not a god. Watch peace TV to know how good the religion The Islam is. The christians had tried to steal the grave the grave of prophet and his companions , why????? so this is a message to the person who wrote this article DON’T EVER THINK THAT YOUR RELIGION IS GREAT.If you dont belive that people in your religion tried to steal the grave of our prophet you can read the book the history of madina munawwara. LONG LIVE ISLAM!!! LONG LIVE ISLAM!!! LONG LIVE ISLAM!!!
Dear Fatima.
Shalom, and welcome to this sit.
You wrote:
Islam is the religion of peace.
My rely:
In which Muslim nation, does this “peace” manifest it self?
Please give me good examples of a day in Pakistan, when a suicide bomber has not slaughtered Muslim brethren in the name of “allah”.
As my age is 13, I do not know more about Islam. Why do you take the country Pakistan only????? Why cant you take Saudi, dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman etc? Moreover, one thing Mr. Christian, how dare you say that the picture above is the picture of the the best man of the world, Prophet Muhammad [PBUH]. We do not have idols like how you have. Mr. Christian can you tell me if take i big rock and smash the idol of the person whom you believe as your god, will any thing happen? [Just a doubt]
Dear Fatima.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Thanks for calling me Mr. Christian. Just like many Muslims, I do not believe “god” can live in a idol. Roman Catholics make idols of Jesus and Mary, saints and madonnas. Christians do not do that.
I was surprised when I understood, that Muhammad had put up a black stone in Mecca, and told the Arabs that they can get rid of their sins by kissing the stone.
Do you believe this?
What do you think about Jesus?
Your welcome Mr. Christian. To tell you the truth even I was surprised when I understood that the blood of the lamb of god, Jesus the Messiah, can cleanse a man from his sins.
Do you believe this ?
This is a reply for The answer given by mr iver…..
Dear Fatima
Sabbath Shalom.
Thanks for visiting this blog, you are more than welcome.
Can the blood of the lamb of God, cleanse me and you from our sins?
God is Holy. We are not. In ancient time, God punished sins. And He punish sins today. We know that. Look at the World, and you will see a lot of wickedness, and people in distress without peace in their heart.
The Bible says God punished sins. He demanded the sinner, to sacrifice his very best animal, so it would hurt him.
The blood of animals were sacrificed, the passover lamb the most famous sacrifice. The aroma of such lamb offerings pleased God. He saw that they still obeyed Him, because they loved Him. When they obeyed Him, He forgave their sins. The blood was the symbol of their obedience.
The Bible says that the man kept on sinning, and offered unclean blood, and animals with defects. God promised to find the solution. His own Son, loved us so much that He came to Earth, took form of a man, and became the lamb of God. His blood is the perfect sacrifice, because He was pure, and did not sin.
Jesus gained his victory on the cross, defeating Satan, and redeeming people like you and me.
Jesus took our place on the cross. He offered Him self as a pleasing sacrifice to God, so we could escape the coming wrath of God. It was for your and my sins Jesus died. We deserved to die, and never find peace inside the Kingdom of Heaven.
Yes, I believe this. I am not worthy of being saved by Him. He loves all Muslims, and people of all colors. He paid in full for the sins of every man, so that we have a chance to live forever with a merciful God of Heaven. Amen.
Jesus was your god’s son. So didn’t your god see how much pain did jesus suffer? Didn’t he have the power to reduce his pains? Didn’t he have the power to forgive everybody’s sin? That means he is powerless. Powerless people are not gods. Understood .
Dear Fatima.
Shalom.
You wrote:
So didn’t your god see how much pain did jesus suffer? Didn’t he have the power to reduce his pains?
My comment:
Take fresh look at Jesus on the cross, and feel the pain God the Father was feeling. Seeing His own Son taking the punishment you deserve. If we are honest, we will also feel the same pain. He suffered for us. He was bruised for our transgressions, our shortcomings, sicknesses and betrayal.
By the blood of the Lamb of God, we are all free men. No longer slave of sins. We shall not face any punishment, If we put our trust in Him.
who did tell you that he took the punishment which i deserve. Your jesus is just an imaginary character, and you people believe in that imaginary character. Just like barbie, cindrella and pooh jesus is also an imaginary character. UNDERSTOOD !!!
I tHANK EVERYONE FOR THIS DILEMA AND FOR DEBATING SOME. WHAT IM GOING TO SAY IS JUST MY OWN OPINION NOT TO OFEND ANYONE JUST TO SEE WHAT YOU MIGHT THINK AND TO HEAR YOUE OPINION ALSO :
FIRST OF ALL ,Religion was created made to manipulate humans and keep them forever in the dark of the truth ( the light ) ! God gave us all a clear understanding of the things we need to do and not to do and one of those he Mentions in the Bible that for Us not to believe in Religions !!!
Religions are Man made for one purpose only , to manipulate you and give true authority to who ever is in charge of that religion ! They are like Mafias and Gangs once you pick one to get into you will always be told what to do and what to believe ! You will be come a slave of who runs that show ! God knew this and he Warned us about Religions but we are always trying to find where to fit in and that’s where the biggest problem is at !
• to EVERYONE: My energy Is for God For you and for everyone who’s energy is light and not dark. All this chaos in this world is because we start to astray from the word of God and try to seek something else for ourselves to prove that there is something more true than what God tells us, that’s why we are always trying to search more and more
And by challenging The word of God we just keep getting more lost into the darkness because evil starts to create an imaginary light in the opposite direction of God and We by our own selfishness start to astray from God to reach that other light but you will never reach it it was made to loose you and keep you going so far from the closeness you already had from God !
Our own curiosity with the loss of our self control will make us challenge God’s laws and rules and Chaos will always be upon us ! What better is there for us all’ more than the The love and the words of God ??? Isn’t what God offer’s is Love and love for one another ??? Isn’t that beautiful ?????? We need to come back to the real Light (God) and not challenge his Love his words with our egoistic curiosity and selfishness that has made us create a hell in our world !
• Stay away from seeking other Lights you will never reach them !!!!!!!!!!!! God is the only true light !! Jesus scarified himself for Us for love and this is how we pay him ????? That’s why we are always in Chaos ! And how many more have died to tell us the Truth’s ? And we have left them in vain !!!! We need to wake up and become One and ask God for forgiveness this is how we will all see each other as One and stop the Chaos all around us !
in God and we will find who we are and we will all come together as one ! We Really are all the same and we all need to start to love each other and Understand that • This is how we will win !!! Love you all .
Assalamau Alaikum
I am a muslim who converted from christianity.Watch peace TV and understand how good the religion islam is . Islam is the best !!!!!
Very good, Muhammad excellent job u have done. Allah bless you. Dont listen to this sick ivar. He/she is a munafiq.
Brother Muhammad,
Go through http://www.thefalseprophet.co.cc
Or, faithfreedom.org, I m sure u’ll re-convert to humanity..
Islam is not a religion of peace. It is full of violence and hatred.. muhammad its lone prophet was epileptic, pedophile and mass murderer.
See the evidence yourself visiting the above mentioned sites..
Regards..
Rahul Raj
All talk about muslim terrorist and violent acts..
Just like in every religion there are some who read the books how they want and only act upon what they have choosen and from how they belive and not from the whole picture.
If you read closer about islam and muslims way of living you will see it’s about living in peace but some make terrorist acts and say it’s for Allah (allahu alam).
A true practical muslim has in his interest not to lie, making fun of others/ backbiting, steal, swear, scream in anger in argue with another, trick or fool, misguide, fight, kill someone, drink alcohol, take drugs etc.
You say that the prophet was pedophile and massmurderer, what do you have to say about all christians who’s homosexuall pedophiles/regular pedophiles, marriage to young girls etc.
Since a muslim woman lives at home until she’s married but if she have no family you can become her guardien but if she’s old enough you can marry her and then she will be secure.
But now in the modern day it doesn’t work exactly the as then and since were more money addicted and everything gets more expensive it also harder to have morewifes and support our family for those who want.
And about massmurder is that ok in any religion? No but yet some do it anyway and say it’s necessary, they brought it upon themself, act for the sake of God etc
The Qur’an also mention that if a muslim kill someone he should pay a debt to that persons family in some kind.
Those who do massmurder and say they are muslims and acting upon the Qur’an are wrong and they will have to answer to Hod about their behaviour on the day of judgement
Dear Fatima and Muhammed,
Jesus is the only way to God! Throughout the Old Testament it was prophesized that God would send his only son, Jesus Christ to die for our sins. You see, we could never be good enough for God, who is holy. Therefor God reached down to us, because He loves us.
Jesus did not, however just die, but he rose again on the third day and lives today! ! Jesus is my best friend! He means everything to me!
In Matthew 11 verse 28 Jesus says; “Come to me, all you who labour and are heavy- laden and overburderdened, and I will cause you to rest.”
As a Christian, I am not free from hardships. In fact, I believe that one will experience even worse hardships once one becomes a follower of Christ. But you know, Jesus sympathizes with our pain, because he went through the pain himself. And, surely, Jesus gives me true peace and rest like the world can never give! He is the one who has taken away my sins so that I can be certain that God accepts me and that I will be with God and the Lamb(Jesus) and all who belong to Him from every nation and tribe one day in heaven if I continue to follow Jesus.
I suggest that you read the Bible yourself, beginning in the New Testament, to see for yourself if it is true.
By the way, I have read the whole Koran, and it didn`t give me peace.
I will pray for you:-)
Hi, u said Jesus is the only way to God! Throughout the Old Testament it was prophesized that God would send his only son, only son???
in exodus 4:22-23 ur god called Jacob son
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
in psalms 89:26-27 says He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
angels are referred to as sons of god. in the book of job 1:6 says Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
DO NOT TELL ME THAT JESUS WAS UNIQUE AND THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
God is recorded as saying to prophet david in psalms 2:7, I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
woohoo another begotten son?? so now my son go to priest and ask him the explanation.
peace.
Hi folks, could anyone explain whats the story behind the black rock of the moon?
Cheers.
Brother James,
Go through http://www.thefalseprophet.co.cc
Or, faithfreedom.org, I m sure u’ll re-convert to humanity..
Islam is not a religion of peace. It is full of violence and hatred.. muhammad its lone prophet was epileptic, pedophile and mass murderer.
See the evidence yourself visiting the above mentioned sites..
Regards..
Rahul Raj
The most stupid duf and blind are these gloria and ivar. The r fucking asshole. Ediots. Bible is corrupted so many time. Y u r making us fool. I hav been studying n wathing about islaam such a great religion, full of peace. Truthfull. U r an ediot n cant make us more fool. By the will of god slowly slowly all ll convert n crush a jews arsholes. We ll cut ur long hear like goats.
Dear Jami and James (the same persons)
I will spam your next messages. Your filthy language will be exposed for some time, so people can see the fruits of the children of the devil.
Please note: If you do not accept that you are a sinner who needs to be saved, Hell will be your final destiny. Jesus the Messiah is the way forward. Kneel down, and beg Him for mercy. Than He will save you. Amen.
Ok sorry wt i said. I asked something u didnt reply. I m studying about some new religion. Tell me wt is the story behind the black stone? Do muslim pray to stone or to god. Y the stone is there?
Dear Jami.
Shalom.
I have spammed two of you messages. You are a typical Muslim Jew-hater. I have not seen any fruits of repentance. The articles about Muslims worshiping a black stone in Mecca can be read and understood. No need for more explanation.
If I do not see repentance, and an apology to the Jewish people, you will be spammed.
MUSLIMS WORSHIP THE KA’BAH
Question:
Ka’bah is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Ka’bah during prayers, they do not worship the Ka’bah. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.
It is mentioned in Surah Al Baqarah:
“We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction.”
[Al Qur’an 2:144]
1. Islam believes in fostering unity
For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Ka’bah. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Ka’bah they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Ka’bah they face the west.
2. Ka’bah is at the Centre of the World Map
The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Ka’bah was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Ka’bah is at the centre of the world map.
3. Tawaaf around Ka’bah for indicating one God
When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram in Makkah, they perform tawaaf or circumambulation round the Ka’bah. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God, since, just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.
4. Hadith of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)
Regarding the black stone, hajr-e-aswad, there is a hadith (tradition), attributed to the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).
According to Sahih Al Bukhari, Volume 2, Book of Hajj, Chapter 57, Hadith 1605. Umar (ra) said, “I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you”.
5. People stood on Ka’bah and gave the ‘adhaan’
At the time of the Prophet (pbuh), people even stood on the Ka’bah and gave the ‘adhaan’ or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Ka’bah; which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?
Dear YASEER
Shalom, and welcome to this blogg.
I just want to say that Jesus loves all Muslims. He died for their sins in Jerusalem, and resurrected. We are now redeemed (set free from the slavery of sin), and called to walk in the power of the living Messiah.
Do you believe that Jesus is risen from the dead?
If you say this with your mouth, and believe this is your heart, you shall be saved from this evil, violent World, full of filth and injustice.
God your Father, sent His only begotten Son to Earth to pay the penalty for your sins.
Brother Yaseer,
Brother Muslims worship black stone at Mecca, Muhammad was epileptic and Allah was his demonic illusion,, Islam is not a religion but in fact a cult, which follows Muhammad’s alter ego..
Qur’an is full of violence, murder, rape, pedophile etc etc..
But I find many brain dead keep reading it and following it..
If you find these claims shocking visit http://www.thefalseprophet.co.cc to see the evidence..
Convert to Humanity, leaving this demonic god behind..
Regards..
and post for you this site wire all your questions are answered http://www.beautifulislam.net/christianity/robert_moreys_moon_god_myth.htm#btr
To debate over our beleifs in an offensive or defensive way, seems to invade the sanctacy of the souls that our creator (God) lovingly placed His very spirt into.
Thank God these bodies only last for so long here.Truely our creator has placed us in a world He planed for our delight of the many things of beauty unimageable that exists all around us.
All of us here on this site care deeply for our Creator, and Im sure none of us would be wasting the time to give a testimony here if we werent truely longing to know the exact purpose for existance.
There is definately something wrong with the unimaginable evil ,contempt, negitive judgements,loss of loved ones, sickness, disease,…on and on.
I dont want to go into detail about my faith.
The time will come we will all know for sure.
Im sure ,In fact I know , God wants us to love and trust him. He talks to all of us thru His spirt.
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HI all. Dear friend who wrote this thing. i dont understand one thing from all who believe in jesu… What is god??? A human being? Does he have wife? who create him?? Does he have father and mother??? NO MY FRIEND…. For me , GOD is not a human being, not a planet, not an alien. I do know that he has no father or mather, no wife, no children , he is unique and one. whith his word he create me , you and all we see and touch. Muhamed a.s. and all the prophet before him as Isa(Jesus) ect was human being createt by the god. IF you want to believe and pray the children and the simbol of the church , ok is your decision, but a powerful unknown force has create everything so i believe in alah and he is the one truly god . Peace and hope alah help you in your way.
Yahuwah The only true Elohim of Abraham Issac and Jacob ..sorry Ishmael you gave your birthright for a bowl of soup.
@ Mario,
As I said above, Muslims worship black stone at Mecca, Muhammad was epileptic and Allah was his demonic illusion,, Islam is not a religion but in fact a cult, which follows Muhammad’s alter ego..
Qur’an is full of violence, murder, rape, pedophile etc etc..
But I find many brain dead keep reading it and following it..
If you find these claims shocking visit http://www.thefalseprophet.co.cc to see the evidence..
Convert to Humanity, leaving this demonic god behind.. I bet one day realizing truth you will convert to Humanity..
Regards..
ha ha, they are confuse Mario, they r very confuse. they do not know what to do, they have no way to go through.What jesus said in john read.
In john14:28,Jesus was saying : the father is greater than I. By stating that the father is greater than himself,Jesus distinguish himself from GOD.
Also in john 20:17 Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: I ascend unto my father and your father( And to my god and your God) by reference to GOD as “his God” He left no room for anyone to intelligently claim that he was GOD.
How dare you claim that jesus is God Ivar?
imagine their God was so powerless that in john 5:30 he said, i can of my own self do nothing.
So how he can save someone from hellfire?
OH you unbelievers open your eyes. Jesus can do nothing unless ALLAH wants, He gave life to dead only with the help of ALLAH (THE SUPREME POWER).
peace.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/09/the-flight-93-memorial-revisited.php flight 93 memorial in Somerset Pa. points to mecca
Dear Believers In Islam:
Please answer if any (or all) of the following LIES from the demonically inspired Koran is the reason you have chosen to follow Islam:
1. Men are allowed to have four or more wives. (Yes or No)
2. In “Paradise” you will be able to recline in a golden bed drinking nectar and nibbling on a barnyard hen, while heavenly concubines satisfy your insatiable desires. (Yes or No)
3. Whenever a man desires a “beauty” in “Paradise” he can go to the “market” and pick one out to have intercourse with her. (Yes or No)
4. In “Paradise” men will be able to see the nakedness of a woman though even a 70 layered Burqa. (Yes or No)
5. Committing Jihad is appealing to you because you will immediately be transferred to “Paradise” to have sexual intercourse with numerous virgins. (If you do not die during Jihad, you may rape as many women as you want regardless of their age here on earth.) (Yes or No)
If you answered “Yes” to at least one or more of these questions, YOU ARE DECEIVED AND ON YOUR WAY TO ETERNAL HELL!
Is this why you think Allah is great? Is this why you shout out his ugly, sickening name, “Allah Akbar” when you kill even your own fellow Muslims?
The truth is your “prophet” Muhammad was nothing but a sexually depraved pervert and your entire “religion” is based on his FILTH, LUST, and SIN. He was a liar and DECEIVED by demons.
THERE IS NO SEX in “Paradise”. In fact, you won’t even get anywhere near “Paradise” if you don’t repent of this demonic lie. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but Allah is nothing but a demonic spirit and Muhammad was possessed by the great deceiver — SATAN.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ tells us that we will have glorified, immortal bodies in heaven that will NOT be like our human bodies on earth. We will NOT procreate.
“In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.” (Matt 22:30)
“The dead shall be raised incorruptible.” Our flesh and blood CORRUPT bodies do NOT go to heaven. We will be changed. “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1Co 15:50)
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised INCORRUPTIBLE, and we shall be changed.” (1Co 15:52)
“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1Co 15:53)
“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1Co 15:44)
Do you fail to see this truth? THERE IS NO SEX IN HEAVEN. You have been lied to!
“I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME.” (John 14:6)
These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ. You must seek Him with all your heart to find eternal life. He is the ONLY GOD, the KING OF KINGS and the LORD OF LORDS.
There is NO OTHER WAY.
well said ..I pray this will save some souls
Dear JM,
1. Men are allowed to have four or more wives.yes or no
Ans: the Qur’an permits but does not command a man to have four wives. Furthermore, the Qur’an stipulates that a man is responsible for the maintenance of his wife or wives. If a man has more than one wife, he has to provide separate living accommodation for each of his wives. Multiple marriages are a heavy responsibility on the male.
Please I advise you to read this article for more info,
http://www.islamcan.com/common-questions-about-islam/why-does-the-quran-allow-muslim-men-to-have-four-wives.shtml
please please watch this my bro please.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIp0v88wwMQ
2. In “Paradise” you will be able to recline in a golden bed drinking nectar and nibbling on a barnyard hen, while heavenly concubines satisfy your insatiable desires. No
3. Whenever a man desires a “beauty” in “Paradise” he can go to the “market” and pick one out to have intercourse with her.
ANS: absolutely not.
4. In “Paradise” men will be able to see the nakedness of a woman though even a 70 layered Burqa.
ANS: absolutely not.
5. Committing Jihad is appealing to you because you will immediately be transferred to “Paradise” to have sexual intercourse with numerous virgins. (If you do not die during Jihad, you may rape as many women as you want regardless of their age here on earth.) (Yes or No)
ANS: absolutely not.
If you answered “Yes” to at least one or more of these questions, YOU ARE DECEIVED AND ON YOUR WAY TO ETERNAL HELL!,
ans ; i answered yes to one, but let me tell you something MR, this question which you asked I am 110% sure that you are a stupid arsehole, you just go to church read some verses n comeback home. you dont know what your bible says.
so read if u dare Polygamy in the Bible.
http://friend200723.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/02/polygamy-marrying-more-than-one-wife-as-per-the.htm
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIp0v88wwMQ
Is this why you think Allah is great? Is this why you shout out his ugly, sickening name, “Allah Akbar” when you kill even your own fellow Muslims?
The truth is your “prophet” Muhammad was nothing but a sexually depraved pervert and your entire “religion” is based on his FILTH, LUST, and SIN. He was a liar and DECEIVED by demons.
THERE IS NO SEX in “Paradise”. In fact, you won’t even get anywhere near “Paradise” if you don’t repent of this demonic lie. I’m sorry to disappoint you, but Allah is nothing but a demonic spirit and Muhammad was possessed by the great deceiver — SATAN.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ tells us that we will have glorified, immortal bodies in heaven that will NOT be like our human bodies on earth. We will NOT procreate.
“In the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels of God in heaven.” (Matt 22:30)
“The dead shall be raised incorruptible.” Our flesh and blood CORRUPT bodies do NOT go to heaven. We will be changed. “Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1Co 15:50)
“In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised INCORRUPTIBLE, and we shall be changed.” (1Co 15:52)
“For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1Co 15:53)
“It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.” (1Co 15:44)
Do you fail to see this truth? THERE IS NO SEX IN HEAVEN. You have been lied to!
“I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME.” (John 14:6)
These are the Words of the Lord Jesus Christ. You must seek Him with all your heart to find eternal life. He is the ONLY GOD, the KING OF KINGS and the LORD OF LORDS.
There is NO OTHER WAY.
reply me on my email and i ll send you some astonishing book about your evil bible.
acca_majid@yahoo.com
peace..
Dear Gktssm,
My questions were meant to be rhetorical to show you how absurd and misogynistic your demonic “religion” of Islam is. Your answers made me question whether you understand that at death, the human body remains on earth and decomposes — as opposed to going to heaven together with the spirit. The Koran falsely teaches that when a man dies, he arrives in “paradise” with his earthly body intact. It says that a man may start his stalking and raping of women immediately and encourages acting like an oversexed nymphomaniac. Is this what you also believe?
Surely you have witnessed someone die before. You have noted that the body is DEAD and without life and saw that in the GRAVEYARD the flesh and bones are buried in the earth. But now you say that you worship Allah who tells you something differently? Allah says that the natural laws of death don’t apply. This is ridiculous and even a child can grasp this. Yet you, Gktssm, ignorantly and BLINDLY choose to be a follower?
If I wanted to stop right now and never expose another filthy lie from your Koran, I would have already proven that your holy “book” is demonically inspired TRASH.
Regarding your answers to my questions, this is how you replied:
QUESTION #1.
You answered “Yes” — you believe having up to four wives is acceptable as long as you can provide for them. But what does Jesus say about this?
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be ONE FLESH.” (Genesis 2:24)
Every time a man sleeps with a woman, GKTSSM, Jesus says they are “ONE FLESH”. Jesus made marriage to be ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. A man who takes more than ONE wife is a whore and a sinner. The four wives you desire is polygamy which Jesus CONDEMNS. The Ten Commandants tell us, ” Thou shalt NOT commit adultery.” (Exodus 20:14). Adultery is when you are unfaithful TO ONE wife and sleep with up to FOUR.
The Bible says that God created Adam and Eve. ONE male and ONE female. If God had multiple wives in mind, he would have created Adam and ABEER, ABLAA, AADAB, and ADEELA. In addition, you have nothing to offer four wives, Gktssm, except to belittle them, humiliate them, rape them and abuse them because that is what your Koran tells you to do.
If Muslim women could only know the love of Jesus Christ, they would all REVOLT and not stand for the abusive treatment from treacherous men who belong to SATAN. If they only knew Jesus, they would WILLINGLY CHOOSE to DIE by the demonic sword of Islam rather than to submit to vile men who think they have something to offer and deserve a harem. Jesus Christ is no respecter of persons. He died for MEN AND WOMEN and loves them both equally.
QUESTION(S) #2 – 5:
You answered, 2.) “No”. 3.) “Absolutely Not”. 4.) “Absolutely Not”. 5.) “Absolutely Not.”
Gktssm, your god Allah has promised you rewards for being a faithful Muslim and you are telling me that you REJECT his GIFTS?
He wants to give you concubines. You said “NO.”
He wants to give you “beauties”. You said, “ABSOLUTELY NOT”.
He wants to give you “virgins” for committing Jihad. You said, “ABSOLUTELY NOT.”
He wants to allow you to see thru the clothes of women in paradise and you said, “ABSOLUTELY NOT.”
If you really believe that the Koran is the true word of Allah, you just spit in Allah’s face and essentially said, “Get lost, Allah! I don’t want to recline with concubines! I don’t want 70 virgins for Jihad! I don’t want to see through 70 layers of clothes! I don’t want beauties to have sex with!”
Gktssm, Allah is offering you gifts and you DARE TELL HIM that you ABSOLUTELY DON’T WANT THEM? You have just discredited the infallibility of the Koran. If Allah is your perfect god, are you now claiming that he is trying to force rewards on you that you don’t want? Are you rejecting Allah’s gifts? What kind of god is this who offers things that don’t even please you? Why should you worship such a god? You have, my dear, with your own twisted words, just proven that the Koran is a FALSE AND demonically inspired book, full of things that even a follower of Islam would not want!
My Precious Beloved Jesus Christ promises me and those who love Him and call upon His Holy Name many gifts and rewards when we get to Heaven. Would anyone of us who call ourselves Christians dare tell Jesus, “ABSOLUTELY NOT!” Would any of us dare say to Jesus, “No, Lord. I don’t want what you have for me!”
Wouldn’t we then be rejecting the GIVER if we also REJECT the GIFTS?
Because of Jesus Christ’s shed BLOOD on the Cross of Calvary, we are able to enter into His wonderful promises and inheritance that that we long for beyond anything we can imagine. We would never reject gifts from our Beloved.
Jesus promised us in John 14:1-3, “Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
Amen! Even so, Come, Lord Jesus.
Dear Lord, please open up the eyes of Gktssm. Supernaturally visit him even in his dreams and let him know that YOU ALONE are the ONLY TRUE GOD. As he seeks the truth about who you are, Lord, open his heart to receive in abundance the wisdom and the discernment to turn away from the lies of Islam. Dear Lord, while his heart is open, save him from the snare of the fowler and give unto him, as he accepts Your Love, the beautiful inheritance you promised to ALL OF THOSE who LOVE and Worship Only YOU.
HI JM,
Love to debate with you, but let me tell you I am not scared from what u say. I am not a scholar, i m just a simple man. I will try to give you every answer of ur question.
demonic “religion” of Islam. keep this one for later I will show u my one is demonic or ur one. I swear by God ur one is written by demons.
you said : It says that a man may start his stalking and raping of women immediately and encourages acting like an oversexed nymphomaniac. Is this what you also believe?
Please give me some verse from Qur’an if u r a true christian .
2nd thing I am not gonna waste my time with you who twist the word. u said.he can go to the “market” and pick one out to have intercourse with her. i said NO
U SAID In “Paradise” men will be able to see the nakedness of a woman I SAID NO.
U SAID, to have sexual intercourse with numerous virgins. (If you do not die during Jihad, you may rape as many women as you want regardless of their age here on earth.) I SAID NO.
now u wrote something else above.
when Muslim pray 5 times which is one of the pillars of Islam to thank Allah for his many blessings upon us and to give to Him a small fraction compared to what He gives to us. means to say that i thank him every time what he gave us and still looking forward every second. I never ever rejected his gift what so ever. (do not twist the words)
you said: YOU ALONE are the ONLY TRUE GOD. is he? what about this? In john14:28,Jesus was saying : the father is greater than I. By stating that the father is greater than himself,Jesus distinguish himself from GOD.
Also in john 20:17 Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: I ascend unto my father and your father( And to my god and your God) by reference to GOD as “his God” He left no room for anyone to intelligently claim that he was GOD.
can you explain why ur jesus is greater than his father? while he by himself is saying that i am not. explain plz.
Dear gktssm
Shalom.
By stating that the father is greater than himself,Jesus distinguish himself from GOD.
My reply:
Thanks for give us a interesting topic to reflect on. Jesus the Son of Man, was surely fully human. In that sense, Father God in Heaven is greater than He. Jesus came in the form of a human, and shared our humanity.
Jesus also said, “The Father and I are One”. He equaled Him self with God, and for this very reason some Jewish leaders wanted to kill him for blasphemy.
John 5:18
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
(end of scripture)
Also the followers of Muhammad would have killed Jesus, accusing Him of blasphemy. Because the Koran claims that ‘allah” do not begot a Son, who is divine, and equally God.
Islam has trough the ages, slaughtered Arabs who started to claim that Jesus the Messiah is God the Almighty who have come in the flesh. This is the reason that the Arabian World is a good as cleansed for followers of Jesus. Nothing is new under the crescent moon.
Please dear friends, christians,jews, muslims and ‘atheists’
If you read my Bible-notes and science pictures in
‘science urge UN to prepare for Alien invasion’
you will se that we are all creations from God,
God has a role model for all creation!
Peace unto you in the name of The Lord
(also the ‘kippa’ can be seen:)
http://se.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=A0PDodmnDvtO2HQAwRUVOAx.;_ylu=X3oDMTBlMTQ4cGxyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1n?back=http%3A%2F%2Fse.images.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dhuman%2Bembryo%26n%3D30%26ei%3Dutf-8%26y%3DS%25C3%25B6k%2Bbilder%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D23&w=333&h=500&imgurl=blogs.saschina.org%2Faplangpd%2Ffiles%2F2010%2F04%2FHuman-Embryo.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.saschina.org%2Faplangpd%2Fcategory%2Fcloning%2F&size=78.5+KB&name=Human+Embryo&p=human+embryo&oid=e3738682a9c327ee6a8c45ede016748f&fr2=&fr=&tt=Human%2BEmbryo&b=0&ni=96&no=23&tab=organic&ts=&sigr=11k8p93n6&sigb=13gls53hm&sigi=11qfv3uut&.crumb=9r2OFgHKENp
the image (5v embryo)
is supposed to be the lemon ‘Etrog’
succot/feast of the Lord
-impossible to see except with today’s
technology-
probably do not even the jews themselves know
why the heart
is symbolized by a yellow lemon!?
God gave the ceremonies just to show US ALL
that He is!
He will soon come back.
Be sure to have pure and loving hearts for that day.
Blessings to all of you.
http://se.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http://se.images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p%3Dembryo%2Bhuman%26b%3D43%26ni%3D21%26ei%3Dutf-8%26vm%3Dr%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26fr%3Daltavista%26fr2%3Dsfp&w=530&h=355&imgurl=www.sciencephoto.com/image/313915/large/P6800666-Human_embryo%2c_5_weeks_old-SPL.jpg&rurl=http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/313915/enlarge&size=37KB&name=Human+embryo%2c+5+…&p=embryo+human&oid=22d02a35f709fa4168038e077d96497b&fr2=sfp&no=50&tt=21700&sigr=11go3oq2l&sigi=12in5g9mh&sigb=13thekvdt&type=JPG&.crumb=w/J1ZJjtlbT
I am in fact grateful to the owner of this website who has shared this wonderful post at at this time.
Dear marie, the above website i have seen. I do not know what do u wanna explain? Do u wanna tell me that ur bible says the same as todays science? hmm. I advise you to read my QURAN, My Quran explain this process in more detail than your bible. trust me.
can you write here some verses from bible which explain this? then i will write you.
peace.
Dear gktssm
Thank you for your answer.
You wrote:
‘ explain this process in more detail’
It’s not ‘the process’ the images are intendent to show.
Blessings.
Hi Ivar,
Jesus the Son of Man? who is this man? God is not man.
u said :was surely fully human. so it means u worship a human, but not the supreme God.
u said, “The Father and I are One” He equaled Him self with God (bible)
I say: every time u claim that the Qur’an says, Allah made every thing from water. somewhere it says Allah made you from clay. and thats y this is not from Allah.
jesus says here that The Father and I are One” He equaled Him self with God, but in another verse jesus says the father is greater than I. Jesus distinguish himself from GOD. two different words jesus says. i am sorry to say about my beloved prophet PBUH, but tell me was Ur Jesus drunk to say that?? a simple thing he says 1+1=2 and then he says 1+1=3.
u said Also the followers of Muhammad would have killed Jesus, accusing Him of blasphemy. Because the Koran claims that ‘allah” do not begot a Son, who is divine, and equally God.
Let me tell you we LOVE jesus PBUH more than u do, ha was our beloved prophet. why we would kill him?
I can see how confuse u r. who came first? Jesus or Muhammad? jesus lifted up to heaven 600 yrs before Muhammad`s arrival. followers of Muhammad would go to heaven to kill him ya? and any way followers of Muhammad also know very well and believe 1000% that he never said that and knows that he is ibnay maryam (son of maryam). so there is/was no need to kill him.
Dear gktssm
Shalom.
You wrote:
Jesus the Son of Man? who is this man? God is not man.
My comment:
If God wants to become a man, can you stop Him?
I must laugh now with ur fairytale. So r u telling me that the father of jesus, which we call ALLAH is a man now?
I can not stop him to do anything, but he would not do it coz even the bible (New American Standard) says
Numbers 23:19 God IS not man, that he should lie, or a son of man, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not fulfill it?
And also in Samuel 15:29 the Glory of Israel will not lie or have regret, for he IS not a man, that he should have regret.
If he wanted to become a man why would he send all of his prophets from Adam to Muhammad PBUT? He would just come and teach us, simple.
“Son of Man” is from a Danielic prophecy about the Messiah, Daniel 7:13-14.
Jesus refers to this passage and links this Son of Man to Himself, in Matthew 24:30 and other passages.
thus Jesus is effectively saying that He *is* the One who is like a Son of Man prophesied in Daniel, the King who will come in glory to reign over all the earth, when He comes again.
Jesus is called Son of God because of His divinity, and Son of man because of His humanity. He is fully God and fully man.
Also Son of Man = Son of Adam because Man and Adam is the same word in old Hebrew.
And some of the prophets were also called “son of man.”
On the surface, Jesus uses the title “son of man” (Hebrew ben ‘adam or ben ‘enosh, Old Testament Aramaic bar ‘enash) to link Himself with the human-like figure – the expression in Hebrew was sometimes used to refer to a man (cf. Ezekiel being applied ben ‘adam ninety-three times throughout his book and Ps. 144:3, as ben ‘enosh) – that Daniel sees in his night visions, the one who receives from the Ancient of Days eternal dominion and glory and kingship (Daniel 7:13-14):
“I was watching in the visions of the night, and behold!
With the clouds of the heavens like a son of man was one arriving;
And to the Ancient of Days He came, and before Him they brought Him near.
And to Him was given sovereignty, and honor, and kingdom;
And all peoples, tribes, and tongues were serving Him.
His sovereignty is an eternal sovereignty which will not pass away,
And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.”
Hi Laim,
u said Jesus is called Son of God because of His divinity,
Anyway nowhere in the gospels jesus called himself SON OF GOD.
anyhow look at this. God called isreal (prophet jacob) his son when he instructed moses to go to pharaoh
Exodus 4:22-23.says Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the LORD, Israel is my firstborn son, and I say to you, “Let my son go that he may serve me.
God promised david to make his son in psalms 89:26 says He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
psalms 89:27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
now angels are refered to as sons of god in the book of job 1:6 says Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
in the new testament there are many refrences to sons of God other than jesus. for exe, when the auther of the gospel according to luke listed jesus` ancestors back to adam, he wrote” the son of seth, the son of adam, the son fo God.
DO NOT TELL ME THAT IN THIS CASE JESUS WAS UNIQUE AND THAT HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD WHILE THE OTHERS R ONLY SONS OF GOD.
However, God is recorded as saying to prophet david, in psalms 2:7, I WILL TELL THE DECREE OF THE LORD: HE SAID TO ME YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU.
WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? OH MY GOD. ANOTHER BEGOTTEN SON?
someone can not listen the truth so he blocked ma messege
Does God has another begotten son other than jesus?
Hi laim,
Hi, u said Jesus is called Son of God because of His divinity,
in exodus 4:22-23 ur god called Jacob son
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.
in psalms 89:26-27 says He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.
27 Also I will make him my firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth.
angels are referred to as sons of god. in the book of job 1:6 says Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
DO NOT TELL ME THAT JESUS WAS UNIQUE AND THAT IS WHY HE IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
God is recorded as saying to prophet david in psalms 2:7, I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
woohoo another begotten son?? so now my son go to priest and ask him the explanation.
peace.
Psalms 2:7, I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. OK which Translation are you using??? Like KJV???
From NIV or NIB
7 I will proclaim the LORD’s decree:
He said to me, “You are my son;
today I have become your father.
8 Ask me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession.
Jesus is ONLY-begotten not just plain begotten….there is a difference!!!!!!! Jesus in ONLY as being the same as the FATHER…….. Begotten means created or generated…WE ARE ALL BEGOTTEN!!! Or better way Begotten not made means that Christ, is eternally the Son of the Father, though the Father and the Son are both beginningless and endless, eternally unchanging. Begottenness simply suggests unchanging relationship between persons, not that one person created (made) another person in the order of time.
The term “Son of God” was common in the kingdoms of Egypt and Babylon, and describes the use as a part of their political theology; it was a title for a king. His accession to the throne was called the ‘begetting.” The terms relate to the king’s mythical origination from God.
The terms were adapted to the history of Israel. The most clarifying usage or the key insight comes from Psalm 2:7
I will tell of the decree of the Lord: He said to me, ‘You are my son, today I have begotten you. Ask of me and I will make the nations you heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.”
This referred to the status of Israel as God’s firstborn son and was “personified in the king.” So, ‘begetting’ is a form of ‘election’ by God.
The power over all nations was not descriptive of the power of the king of Israel at the time. It was a promise of such a future ruler. The Early Christian Church saw the fulfillment of this election in the resurrection of Jesus (see Acts 13:32f).
hello kevin, i dont care which if it is from NIV or NIB or KJV. i copied from ur HOLY BIBLE. the problem with u people is when we ask u something u donot explain that thing, but u just copy another verse from bible to change our mind. and luckly u show and help us finding more and more contradiction.
u said He said to me, “You are my son;today I have become your father
and i said: God is recorded as saying to prophet david in psalms 2:7, I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I BEGOTTEN THEE.
GOD BEGOTTEN JESUS=GOD BEGOTTEN DAVID
U SAID, Jesus is ONLY-begotten not just plain begotten. This is what u think (brain washed).
Father and the son are both beginningless and endless eternally unchanging. Begottenness simply suggests unchanging relationship between persons??? really? this is what u think.
.
(Romans, 1:3) God” was created from the seed of David “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the SEED of David according to the flesh.
The Sex of “God”:
(Luke, 2:21) “And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called Jesus.
The Occupation of “God
(Matthew, 13:55) Jesus was a carpenter by trade.” (Mark, 6:3),
“and the son of a carpenter. WOW god do job aswell? hmm
The Son of man came eating and drinking,
(Matthew, 11:9; Luke, 7:34) and they say, behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners.”
The Powerless “God” (Jesus) said: “I can of mine own self do nothing.”(John, 5:30)
before the beginning of his public ministry: “Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist” (Matthew, 3:13),
A Hungry “God (Matthew 4:2),
A Thirsty “God”: “(He) saith, I thirst.” (John, 19:28)
A Sleepy “God”: “He was asleep.” (Matthew, 8:24),
A Weeping “God”: “Jesus wept.” (John, 11:35)
The Dying “God”: (Mark, 15:37)
The “God” That Was Supposed Dead and Defunct: “Christ died.” (Romans, 5:6). “He was dead”. (John, 19:33)
According to YOU Jesus is God because: HE SHARED THE NATURE OF GOD and because IN EVERY WAY HE IS LIKE
GOD. But according to the quotations of the Bible given above you see that Jesus did neither SHARE THE NATURE OF GOD nor is he IN EVERY WAY LIKE GOD. He is, therefore, definitely NOT God.
The onus to prove that Jesus is God is now rests with you Either you must prove that Jesus is God, or you
must admit that you are a polytheist.
SO THIS IS UR GOD??
Dear Gktssm,
Here is the answer to your question about Jesus being the Son of God:
http://answering-islam.org/Hahn/son.html
You also asked me to show you a verse in the Qur’an that talks about men stalking and raping women in “paradise”. My answer is that it is implied. Women are portrayed as repressed, demeaned, one dimensional sex objects. In fact, your Koran is so vile and disturbing that not only does it promise infinite “virgins” — it also says that men will be able to rape boys to their heart’s delight. I guess your god approves of pedophiles?
Surah 52: “And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.”
The YouTube below is an interview with Syrian-born Saudi cleric Muhammad Al-Munajid who talks about the “virgins” supposedly in paradise. This video shows just how deceived and delusional Muslims are. If this represents the depth of their relationship with Allah, this is pathetic and all who call themselves Muslims should be humiliated to say they are believers in this. As we speak, Hell is “opening its mouth wide” to receive those who follow the lie.
Regarding your questions about John 14:28 and John 20:17, the answer is:
YES! JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!
Jesus is GOD!
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 10:37-38 Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.
Matthew 27:43 He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.'”
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name–the name you gave me–so that they may be one AS WE ARE ONE.
The Hebrew Bible says that God has a Son:
Proverbs 30:4
Who has ascended heaven and come down?
Who has gathered up the wind in the hollow of his hand?
Who has wrapped the waters in his garment?
Who has established all the extremeties of the earth?
What is his name or his Son’s name, if you know it?
http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/said_god.htm
Hope you have a nice day! 🙂
About on of the videos above “the 70 virgins in heaven”
when they say that in paradise ‘anyone can wish for everything and it will- inklusive sexual desires – be immediately fulfilled’.
The desires can already – in this life, with money and/or opportunity, on this filthy earth- be fulfilled.
In many ‘books’
Gods Kingdom and Satans ‘kingdom’ are surprisingly similar.!
Who tickles your ears with ‘anything you wish’
Matthew 4
8.Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9.And saith unto him, ALL THESE THINGS will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and
worship me.
Blessings to all of you!
Hi,
we talked about sex in heaven as quran say and u wrote. Surah 52: “And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls.
this sentence has 14 words i checked every single word in many dictionaries but no where is written about sex.
I dont know why u think that Surah 52 says there will be sex with boys. R U FOOL or what? can u tell me does it talk about sex? or r u trying to waste ur and mine time? does it really talk about sex? hmm.
2nd. honestly dont have time to watch youtube video. God will give u servants, helpers, ur earthy wives and hoers as a reward in heaven.whats wrong in this? if u think that he will give u these for sex , so thats ur thinking, but this is not our belief. dont u get reward (CAR, MONEY, FLAT, HOLYDAY etc) from ur BOSS?If u fuck someone on ur trip in a luxury hotel so that will not be in heaven bro. DONT COMPARE.
u said YES! JESUS AND THE FATHER ARE ONE!
Jesus is GOD!
John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
i worte b4: In john14:28,Jesus was saying : the father is greater than I. By stating that the father is greater than himself,Jesus distinguish himself from GOD.
Also in john 20:17 Jesus told Mary Magdalene to tell his followers: I ascend unto my father and your father( And to my god and your God) by reference to GOD as “his God” He left no room for YOU FOOL to claim that he was GOD.
one say John 10:30 : father+ son= one
2nd say john 20:17 : father + son = two
Numbers 23:19 God IS not man
thanks for showing me contradiction. or u MUST EXPLAIN ME why he said that two different things i wanna be sure that u r right.
and one more thing show me in ur whole bible where JESUS by himself said that I AM GOD OR WITHER WORSHIP ME (as u claimed it above) this is a plain English bro (I AM GOD).
do not write some different verses claiming that jesus said this and that. i want u to explain me that.
John 10:30
john 20:17
See Hebrew or Aramaic for true meanings and transliterations
To Gktssm
First I had no idea you were muslim. So, I’ll to answers some questions as best as possible. It looks like I am the only Roman Catholic debating on this Protestant site!
First: The NIV or NIB or KJVare verisons of Bible are translations.
Example
NIV (New International verison)
KJV (King James Verison)
RSV (Revised Standard verison)
I think it can be said that all translations are true—to some extent, and most of them to a great extent. The only one I would absolutely denounce is the New World Translation used by Jehovah’s Witnesses. I say this because it is translated in such a way as to deny the Holy Trinity.
In all the other bibles about 99% of the material has the same meaning. It’s the other 1% that raises difficulties, and sometime presents opposite theological concepts from the same chapter and verse. Here are a couple of examples:
Isaiah 7:14
RSV Catholic Edition: Therefore the Lord himself will give you this sign: the virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.
RSV: Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, a young woman shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Imman’u-el.
Luke 1:28
RSV Catholic Edition: And he came to her and said, “Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you!”
RSV: And he came to her and said, “Hail, O favored one, the Lord is with you!”
Now here is an example of two protestant bibles translating the same verse:
James 5:20
New American Standard: Let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
New International Version: Remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Understand Greek and Hebrew to Latin to a common language like English are interpretations because their are linguistics difficulties which cannot be translated one-to-one, furthermore there are certain words like koinania which some will translate participate, others as communion, etc. Both are technically right but the way it is translated sometimes depends on what the translator is trying to convey by his/her translation.
I personally read and use many different bibles, including a Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, The Sacra Biblia Vulgata (Latin Vulgate), The Revised Standard Version – Catholic Edition, The Revised Standard Version – 2nd Catholic Edition, The Douay Rheims (my favorite English translation. The one including the Haydock commentaries), The New American Bible (used in most parishes in the U.S. for Liturgy – (not one of my favorites because of the footnotes, and some of the language), and I even have an NASB and a King James. I like the King James sometimes because of the familiar language of the Psalms and the nativity story in Luke matches the Charlie Brown Christmas speech by Linus.
I am aware of only one bible translation which is so far out and heavily doctored that it radically changes the meaning of scripture in a heretical way. (NWT), but it is not used outside of one particular faith group to my knowledge, and that group are not trinitarian Christians.
So apart from that, the only difference in Catholic and protestant translations, at their heart, happens in that for a bible to be considered Catholic, it contains more books in the Old Testament as divinely inspired. Many protestant bible also include these books as apocrypha, but Catholic bibles include them in the general canon of scripture. There is no difference in the New Testament among tinitarian Christians of all stripes. Some bible translations have simplified the language for a younger audience, while trying to maintain the integral message. Some translations use modern language de-emphasizing male and female imagery and typology. This type of translation is called “inclusive language”. I don’t personally care for those too much. But all of them, apart from the NWT are true, in the sense that they tell our story as Christians from the creation, through the convenants made between God and the patriarchs, the Jews, the incarnation, passion, death, and resurrection of God Among Us, Jesus Christ, the formation and early building of His Bride Church.
Also while we believe scripture was inspired by the Holy Spirit, and the apostles, patriarchs and prophets wrote down a great deal of information, that the bible itself is a collection in writing of oral traditions written by many authors over centuries. As the apostle John says in his gospel, if all the words of Jesus were collected in books, the world itself couldn’t contain them all.As Catholic we use both scripture and tradition which Protestant will only use scripture alone as true authority!
wooooof, my mind is swinging now, but i still didnt find any ANSWER of which i ask you above.
1: quran says sex in heaven
2: John 10:30 I and the Father are one.
john14:28,the father is greater than I. ( I DO NOT THINK THAT EVEN IF A CHILD WAS TRANSLATING THIS VERSE EVEN HE WOULD WRITE IT THE SAME AS John 10:30.
3 : U CLAIMED JESUS by himself said that I AM GOD.
u said It’s the other 1% that raises difficulties. WHAT DIFFICULTIES ? ITS A SIMPLE MATHS MY BRO
read now , its from Ur favorite KJV.
How many fighting men were found in Judah?
(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9).
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (1 Chronicles 21:5).
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13).
(b) Three (1 Chronicles 21:12).
How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26).
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2).
When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
(a) seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4).
(b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).
well i am not a Islamic scholar I have some books with me which i read. these books does not intend to creat hate against Christianity, but teaching the truth. there are 100s like this a very simple errors which can not be very difficult to translate from Hebrew to English.
and thanks for accepting that the bible itself is a collection in writing of oral traditions written by many authors over centuries and centuries. why u still believe in it? WORD OF GOD, HMMM. ITS WORD OF HISTORIANS WE MUSLIM ALWAYS TELL U THAT.
A simple answer for all these!
How many fighting men were found in Judah?
(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9).
(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (1 Chronicles 21:5).
God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?
(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13).
(b) Three (1 Chronicles 21:12).
How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26).
(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2).
When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?
(a) seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4).
(b) Seven thousand (1 Chronicles 18:4).
The Bible is not an exact science or an exact history book, but a History of faith in what we believe.
Again the Bible is not a history book…although it does contain history. The Bible is not a science book, so it’s “world view” is based on “pre-scientific” understanding of the nature of the universe. The Bible is not a book of psychology…but does hit on psychological issues that have plagued mankind as long as humans have walked the Earth.
The Bible is not some high theological treatise which details the nature and being of God…it is a very human attempt and record of a small portion of humaities experience with God….it is inspired in that men moved by the Holy Spirit to recored these experiences, filtered through human experience and ideas….the writings of scripture point us to the Source….it is not the Source itself….it is a marvelous, wonderous very HUMAN book written over time by very imperfect people…it is such a human book I would think if most of the Bibles were slapped…dust would fly off their covers.
Now, sex in Heaven???
……..We don’t believe in that! Sex is a physical act so I really dont see how we could be having a physical act with our spiritual bodies…Just doesnt make much sense to me. Also the primary purpose of sex is to procreate and I don’t see that happening in Heaven. I think its difficult sometimes to separate the physical world (since its all weve ever known) from the spiritual world which we know barely anything about.
The joy and pleasure of Heaven will be so far and above the pleasure of sex that we will have no desire for it. We have sex partly because it’s as close to Heaven as we can get in this world. It will be unecessary for many reasons once we get there.
And the Bible makes that from Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew!
Mt.22:30 “”At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven”
Mk.12:25 “When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage, they will be like angels in heaven.”
To Gktssm
Second part! The Trinity?? A some what difficult subject. Islam does not believe in this subject….because there one God no other! And we believe that, but believe He God as three distinct person, but one being or on substance!
Why is the trinity crucial? Well let’s look at what we believe. We believe that Jesus is God, The Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God.. but that Jesus is not the Father, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, and the Holy Spirit is not Jesus. Now there are implications if this is not true.
1. If Jesus is God and the Father is God and they are not one.. then they are not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (at least one of them is not.)
Quote:
Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.
Dueteronomy 6:4
Necessarily if Jesus is not the same God as the Father.. then it’s no longer monotheism and is against the Old Testament.
2. If Jesus is not God at all, but a prophet.. then his sacrifice on the cross does not fulfill the covenant for us, but only for him. It would be the same as any other prophet dying as a martyr (and most of them did.)
3. To deny Jesus divinity requires ignoring most of the New Testament. A great deal of Paul’s writings deal specifically with Jesus being God. Particularly Galatians, Philippians, Colossians, and Hebrews. So if Jesus is not God we have to take any book of the New Testament (and that would require almost all of them) and get rid of them as Scripture.
As you see if the doctrine of the trinity isn’t true… then either the New Testament is a lie, we are worshiping Jesus as a god instead of the true God, and/or the old covenant is still in effect.
Even though the word “TRINITY” is not in scripture! Its based on tradition taught in the early time of Christianity before Islam in 7th century! This is all abstract, but the best way to explain it because to Christians, it is still mystery of our faith we believe with our awhole heart.
Example:
In describing the Trinity, though maybe a bit crude, I think it might get the idea across.
Person said, “if you have three wooden tables with the same height, weight, length, natural wooden pattern, finish, and atomic structure, what makes them different tables?”
Same thing could be said of God. There are the three persons who are of the same God overall, but are individual beings in and of themselves.
Here are sample of early Christian writings about the Trinty by early Church Fathers:
The Didache
“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).
Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).
“For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 18:2).
Justin Martyr
“We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).
Theophilus of Antioch
“It is the attribute of God, of the most high and almighty and of the living God, not only to be everywhere, but also to see and hear all; for he can in no way be contained in a place. . . . The three days before the luminaries were created are types of the Trinity: God, his Word, and his Wisdom” (To Autolycus 2:15 [A.D. 181]).
Irenaeus
“For the Church, although dispersed throughout the whole world even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and from their disciples the faith in one God, the Father Almighty . . . and in one Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who became flesh for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).
Tertullian
“We do indeed believe that there is only one God, but we believe that under this dispensation, or, as we say, oikonomia, there is also a Son of this one only God, his Word, who proceeded from him and through whom all things were made and without whom nothing was made. . . . We believe he was sent down by the Father, in accord with his own promise, the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete, the sanctifier of the faith of those who believe in the Father and the Son, and in the Holy Spirit. . . . This rule of faith has been present since the beginning of the gospel, before even the earlier heretics” (Against Praxeas 2 [A.D. 216]).
“And at the same time the mystery of the oikonomia is safeguarded, for the unity is distributed in a Trinity. Placed in order, the three are the Father, Son, and Spirit. They are three, however, not in condition, but in degree; not in being, but in form; not in power, but in kind; of one being, however, and one condition and one power, because he is one God of whom degrees and forms and kinds are taken into account in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (ibid.).
“Keep always in mind the rule of faith which I profess and by which I bear witness that the Father and the Son and the Spirit are inseparable from each other, and then you will understand what is meant by it. Observe now that I say the Father is other [distinct], the Son is other, and the Spirit is other. This statement is wrongly understood by every uneducated or perversely disposed individual, as if it meant diversity and implied by that diversity a separation of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit” (ibid., 9).
“Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, who are yet distinct one from another. These three are, one essence, not one person, as it is said, ‘I and my Father are one’ [John 10:30], in respect of unity of being not singularity of number” (ibid., 25).
Origen
“For we do not hold that which the heretics imagine: that some part of the being of God was converted into the Son, or that the Son was procreated by the Father from non-existent substances, that is, from a being outside himself, so that there was a time when he [the Son] did not exist” (The Fundamental Doctrines 4:4:1 [A.D. 225]).
“No, rejecting every suggestion of corporeality, we hold that the Word and the Wisdom was begotten out of the invisible and incorporeal God, without anything corporal being acted upon . . . the expression which we employ, however that there was never a time when he did not exist is to be taken with a certain allowance. For these very words ‘when’ and ‘never’ are terms of temporal significance, while whatever is said of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is to be understood as transcending all time, all ages” (ibid.).
“For it is the Trinity alone which exceeds every sense in which not only temporal but even eternal may be understood. It is all other things, indeed, which are outside the Trinity, which are to be measured by time and ages” (ibid.).
Hippolytus
“The Word alone of this God is from God himself, wherefore also the Word is God, being the being of God. Now the world was made from nothing, wherefore it is not God” (Refutation of All Heresies 10:29 [A.D. 228]).
Novatian
“For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God himself as man. It has as much described Jesus Christ to be man, as moreover it has also described Christ the Lord to be God. Because it does not set forth him to be the Son of God only, but also the son of man; nor does it only say, the son of man, but it has also been accustomed to speak of him as the Son of God. So that being of both, he is both, lest if he should be one only, he could not be the other. For as nature itself has prescribed that he must be believed to be a man who is of man, so the same nature prescribes also that he must be believed to be God who is of God. . . . Let them, therefore, who read that Jesus Christ the son of man is man, read also that this same Jesus is called also God and the Son of God” (Treatise on the Trinity 11 [A.D. 235]).
Pope Dionysius
“Next, then, I may properly turn to those who divide and cut apart and destroy the most sacred proclamation of the Church of God, making of it [the Trinity], as it were, three powers, distinct substances, and three godheads. . . . [Some heretics] proclaim that there are in some way three gods, when they divide the sacred unity into three substances foreign to each other and completely separate” (Letter to Dionysius of Alexandria 1 [A.D. 262]).
“Therefore, the divine Trinity must be gathered up and brought together in one, a summit, as it were, I mean the omnipotent God of the universe. . . . It is b.asphemy, then, and not a common one but the worst, to say that the Son is in any way a handiwork [creature]. . . . But if the Son came into being [was created], there was a time when these attributes did not exist; and, consequently, there was a time when God was without them, which is utterly absurd” (ibid., 1–2).
“Neither, then, may we divide into three godheads the wonderful and divine unity. . . . Rather, we must believe in God, the Father Almighty; and in Christ Jesus, his Son; and in the Holy Spirit; and that the Word is united to the God of the universe. ‘For,’ he says, ‘The Father and I are one,’ and ‘I am in the Father, and the Father in me’” (ibid., 3).
Gregory the Wonderworker
“There is one God. . . . There is a perfect Trinity, in glory and eternity and sovereignty, neither divided nor estranged. Wherefore there is nothing either created or in servitude in the Trinity; nor anything superinduced, as if at some former period it was non-existent, and at some later period it was introduced. And thus neither was the Son ever wanting to the Father, nor the Spirit to the Son; but without variation and without change, the same Trinity abides ever” (Declaration of Faith [A.D. 265]).
A simple answer to you for all of the above
Kevin Wright.
Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.
They are Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
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Dear Gktsm
Shalom.
You wrote:
Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.
My comment:
That is true. The desert demon of Arabia has left his people in complete spiritual darkness. They reject Jesus as God, and have been ruled by wicked people since 650 A.D.
John 3:19
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.
Jesus is the light of the World. All who reject Him as savior and Master live in complete darkness. They have no idea that the fire of Hell will be their final destination.
Girls / Guys,
Whatever religion we are from, we trust that religion and we believe it will lead us to Heaven. So please stop comparing the Holy Books of various relgion and follow what you feel is right?
Its so sad that people start comparing religions and go against each other. Rather we stay together as one, follow what we feel is right. If what we do is wrong we will pay for it and if we’re doing the right thing what god wants us to do he’ll take us to heaven. So please stop this argument and please please stop comparing various religions….
Dear Moiz Ashraf.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Since Jesus said He is the ONLY way to heaven, all religions can simply not be correct. Neither to they tell the truth.
Since a religion like Islam denies that Jesus is the only way to heaven, we need to compare the Koran and the Bible. If not, we would be lukewarm or ignorant. Hundreds of million of people are like this.
1. Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) “My Father is greater than I.”
[The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
[The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]
2. The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
3. God Sent Jesus’ (pbuh)
The Bible mentions the prophetic nature of Jesus (pbuh) mission in the following verses:
(i)”… and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me.”
[The Bible, John 14:24]
(ii)”And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent.”
[The Bible, John 17:3]
4. Jesus Refuted even the Remotest Suggestion of his Divinity
Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:
“And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’
And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ ”
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]
Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).
5. Jesus (pbuh) of Nazareth – a Man Approved of God
The following statement from the Bible supports the Islamic belief that Jesus (pbuh) was a prophet of God.
“Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know.”
[The Bible, Acts 2:22]
6. The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
“Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
III) Concept of God in Old Testament:
1. God is One
The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad”.
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord”
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah
The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:
(i) “I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
(ii) “I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no God besides me.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
(iii) “I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me.”
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]
3. Old Testament condemns idol worship
(i) Old Testament condemns idol worship in the following verses:
“Thou shalt have no other gods before me.”
“Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:”
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.”
[The Bible, Exodus 20:3-5]
(ii) A similar message is repeated in the book of Deuteronomy:
“Thou shalt have none other gods before me.”
“Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that in the earth beneath, or that is in the water beneath the earth.”
“Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God.”
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 5:7-9]
What a load of crap. I hate fanatics; you guys don’t even read the Qu’ran in context, let alone use reliable sources to understand the book itself. It’s like a bad essay that doesn’t use primary sources – seriously?
Just a load of hate propoganda. I’m a convert to Islam from Christianity because if you didn’t know by now, your book is modified and editted by HUMANS to make it mean what the Pope in the 16th century WANTED it to mean. Gospels and meanings were lost! Rather than promoting hate and blasphemy, try actually LEARNING about what you want to discuss and become knowledgeable of that subject. Maybe talk to a REAL Muslim – not a fanatic, comparable to the Christian fanatics here – and perhaps you’ll understand.
For those who doubt the Bible has been translated accurately with its original meaning and intent to us I suggest doing more research:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/bibleorg.html
Also, Jesus was a prophet – NOT God. If he ever used any context to make it SEEM like he IS God, remember the Romans. Remember the Pope. Remember that Christianity was once a market and a business and that they changed the book to mean whatever they wanted it to mean, as convenient to them.
Think about it: How does a Holy Book that came directly from God have dozens of versions? Does that make any sense? No.
If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all! Treat others as you wish to be treated! Jesus, beloved prophet of Islam, would have said the same based on his teachings of compassion. If you’re truly lovers of Christ, I’d expect less arrogance and more tolerance towards brother religions in the future.
You unfortunately relate Catholicism with Christianity. I agree with your points regarding the Pope. But since you frequent this site you should know that Roman Catholicism and the Pope have nothing to do with true biblical Christianity.
If you research the bible you will find that in 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls were found by a young Arab sheppard. These scrolls matched up to the existing scrptured 100%.
Disproving the myth that the Pope and Roman church rewrote the bible leaving out important content and adding false content.
Also I would suggest turning to eye witnesses at the times of Christ’s death and resurrection, other than bible authors to understand even Roman historians with no vested interest who were hostile to the Gospel stated that it was apparent that Jesus did rise from the dead.
I would invite you to turn to Jesus Christ in prayer and simply ask Him if He is the Son of God. Be ready for an answer. Jesus said “Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be open.” Since you went from a false form of psuedo-Christianity that clearly didnt allow you to know Christ, to another form of religion, why not honestly seek the true Christ by simply asking Him to reveal Himself to you? If you are a true seeker, he will. If you are simply seeking the ritualistic form of paganism that
serves you the best, you must realize it is about Him and not you trying to be Holy. Ask Him, I believe you are truly seeking the truth.
I was even amazed. The quran itself was written to criticise the Holy Bible. How can the muslims says the Bible was changed.
If you want to know that the Bible is still the same but only the translations are written esp in the modern English to make it easy for us to understand and verse by verse has the same meaning as that in the origional Bible.
The quran has been corrupted. There are diffrent translations, and if you Check amoung the translations there is the verse talks about the death of Jesus but in other translations they dont removed the portion., Surah 3:55. When Allah said, Oh Jesus, I will cause thee to die and I will raise thee to myself (Translated by George Sale,) there are other translations which talks about death of Jesus Christ (eg by Maulana Ali etc.) But the mordern translations the part of death has been removed to suit their belief that says Jesus never died as the quran says contradicting itself.
I asked many which testament do you say was corrupted by the christians, they said both. Of which The Old testament and the Jewish Tanakh which all the prophets were reading and God still be happy are the same, and now are the same, so Do you mean the Christians and the Jews agreed to change the Bible together since they are different religions. Or else the Jewish one was nt Changed, then, Why is the same with Old testament, it means the Book of G6d is still the same but all Muslims grew up being taught false about Christianity.
Now do your moon worshipping and kiss the Black stone fell from the moon and worship arround the kaaba Allah the moon god’s house since before the time of Muhammed. Put the symbol of Allah your moon god on your mosques and carryon covering your god with Black cloth if you dont want to see the Heaven.
Jesus said noone can go to my Father unless by me, do you think his words are lies. Open your eyes, worship God through his son Jesus as he commanded. That’s the only way.
About circumcision, the covernant was between Abraham and God. God said circumcision will done to Abraham and his descendants, so if you are a descendant of Abraham you have to circumcise but if you are not a descendant of Abraham you dont have to, that’s why most of Christians are not and God is for everyone not for the descendant of Abraham. So we dont have to pretend to be descendant of Abraham for the sake of God’s love. He loves whoever does His will.
Thank you.
It should be stated at the outset of this work, that Muslims do not seek to put down or desecrete the Holy Bible. It is a matter critical matter of faith for Muslims to believe in the original revelations that came down to Moses, David, Solomon and Jesus, just as it is is important for Muslims to believe in the revelation of the Quran that came to Muhammad, peace be upon him. The key word here however, is “original.” As we all know the origin of the Bible is clouded with centuries of copying, translating and passing down information, now long lost with only copies of manuscripts remaining to remind us of what once was the Bible.
Additionally, it should be noted that Muslims do not seek to destroy the Christians or Jews belief in the Word of God, rather it is an obligation for Muslims to call to what is right and to halt that which is evil. Certainly, causing the “People of the Book” (as the Quran refers to Christians and Jews) to fall into disbelief and leave off any faith in God at all, is the very opposite of the direction Muslims should take in presenting any comparison between Islam and what has come down in the past from the Almighty God. We only seek to bring about more light to the people seeking guidance and pray for all of us to be successful with our Lord in this life and in the Next life and we ask His Guidance and Support in doing so, ameen.
– COMPARISON of BIBLE & QURAN-
Bible is Collection of Writings –
Quran is Recitation From God to Muhammad (p)
Whereas, The Bible is a collection of writings by many different authors, the Quran is a dictation (or recitation). The speaker in the Quran – in the first person – is God Almighty (Allah) talking directly to man. In the Bible you have many men writing about God and you have in some places the word of God speaking to men and still in other places you have some men simply writing about history or personal exchanges of information to one another (ex: Epistle of John 3). The Bible in the English King James Version consists of 66 small books. About 18 of them begin by saying: This is the revelation God gave to so and so… The rest make no claim as to their origin. You have for example the beginning of the book of Jonah which begins by saying: The word of the Lord came to Jonah the son of Elmitaeh saying… quote and then it continues for two or three pages.
Compare this to the beginning of the Book of “Luke” begins by saying: “In as much as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, (2) Just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, (3) It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus, (4) That you may know the certainty of those things in which you were instructed.
We see the author of the Book of “Luke” saying essentially, “Many people have written about things, it seems fitting for me to do so too.” “Luke” says it seems to him that as long as others are taking in hand to write something about it, even though they were eye witnesses to the whole thing, he feels that even though he was not, he still has “perfect understanding of all things from the very first.”
Therefore this is only a letter from one person to another, neither of whom knew Jesus, peace be upon him, nor were eyewitnesses to any of what had taken place. [Y. Estes]
If you compare that to one of the four accounts of the life of Jesus, Luke begins by saying: “many people have written about this man, it seems fitting for me to do so too”. That is all… no claim of saying “ these words were given to me by God here they are for you it is a revelation”, there is no mention of this.
“Bible” is NOT in the Bible
The Bible does not contain self-reference, that is, the word ‘Bible’ is not in the Bible. Nowhere does the Bible talk about itself. Some scriptures are sometimes pointed to in the Bible, say: Here where it talks about itself, but we have to look closely. 2nd Timothy 3:16 is the favourite which reads: “All scripture is inspired of God” and there are those who would say, here is where the Bible it talks about itself, it says it is inspired of God, all of it. But if you read the whole sentence, you read that this was a letter wrote by Paul to Timothy and the entire sentence says to Timothy: “Since you were a young man you have studied the holy scriptures, all scriptures inspired by God” and so on… When Timothy was a young man the New Testament did not exist, the only thing that stems he was talking about are scriptures – which are only a portion of the Bible – from before that time. It could not have meant the whole Bible.
Bible Curses Church Fathers Who REMOVED Book of Revelations
There is at the end of the Bible a verse which says:
Rev 22:18 “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book (Revelations): if anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book:
19. And if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, god shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. [Y. Estes]
“Let anyone who takes away from this book or adds to this book be cursed”. This to is sometimes pointed to me saying: Here is where it sums itself as a whole. But look again and you will see that when it says: Let no one change this book, it is talking about that last book, #66 (or is it #73 in the Catholic Bible?), the Book of Revelation. It has too, because any reference will tell you that the Book of Revelation was written before certain other parts of the Bible were written. It happens today to be stacked at the end, but there are other parts that came after, so it can not be referring to the entire book.
(Incidentally, according to different manuscripts much older than the King James Version, there are different words at the end of the Book of Revelation, so how would we resolve that matter? – Y.E.)
Note: The Book of Revelation was taken out of the Bible several times and then replaced and then taken out and replaced according to various Church Councils throughout Church history. Guess the Church Fathers didn’t read the curse at the end of the book?
Whose Word Is It?
It is an extreme position held only by some Christian groups that the Bible – in its entirety – cover to cover is the revealed word of God in every word, but they do a clever thing when they mention this, or make this claim. They will say that the Bible in its entirety is the word of God; inerrant (no mistakes) in the original writings.
So if you go to the Bible and point out some mistakes that are in it you are going to be told: Those mistakes were not there in the original manuscript, they have crept in so that we see them there today.
They are going on problem in that position. There is a verse in the Bible Isaiah 40:8 which in fact is so well known that some Bibles printed it on the inside front cover as an introduction and it says : “ The grass weathers, the flower fades, but the word of our God stands forever”. Here is a claim in the Bible that the word of God will stand forever, it will not be corrupted, it won’t be lost. So if today you find a mistake in the Bible you have two choices. Either that promise was false that when God said my word wont fade away, he was mistaken, or the portion which has the mistake in it was not a part of the word of God in the first place, because the promise was that it would be safeguarded, it would not be corrupted.
Are There Mistakes?
I have suggested many times that there are mistakes in the Bible and the accusation comes back very quickly: Show me one. Well there are hundreds. If you want to be specific I can mention few. You have for example at 2nd Samuel 10:18 a description of a war fought by David saying that he killed 7000 men and that he also killed 40000 men on horsebacks. In 1st Chronicles 19 it mentions the same episode saying that he killed 70000 men and the 40000 men were not on horsebacks, they were on foot. The point be what is the difference between the pedestrian and not is very fundamental.
How Did Judas Die?
Matthew 27:5 says that Judas Iscariot when he died he hung himself. Acts 1 says that, no he jumped off a cliff head first. If you study Logic very soon you will come in your course to what they call an “undecidable propositions” or “meaningless sentences” or statements that can not be decided because there is no contextual false. One of the classic examples sited is something called the Effeminites paradox. This man was Cretan and he said “Cretans always lie”, now was that statement true or false? If he was a Cretan and he says that they always lie is he lying? If he is not lying then he is telling the truth then the Cretans don’t always lie ! You see it can not be true and it can not be false, the statement turns back on itself. It is like saying “What I am telling you right now is a lie” would you believe that or not? You see the statement has no true content. It can not be true and it can not be false. If it is true it is always false. If it is false it is also true.
Well in the Bible at Titus 1:12 the writer is Paul and he is talking about the Cretans. He says that one of their own men – a prophet – said “Cretans always lie” and he says that what this man says is true. It is a small mistake, but the point is that it is a human mistake, you don’t find that if you carefully examine the true content of that statement. It can not be a true statement.
Who is the Author?
Now I come back to the Quran, and as I mentioned the speaker in the Quran is – in the first person – is God. The book claims throughout that it is the word of God. It names itself 70 times as the Quran. It talks about its own contents. It has self-reference. The Quran states in the first Sura after Fatiha that “This is the book, there is no doubt in it, it is a guidance for those who are conscious of God” and so on and so on… It begins that way and continues that way stressing that. And there is one very amazing statement in the Quran when you come to the fourth Sura 82nd Ayah which says to those who say Quran is something else than the word of God. It challenges them saying: “Have they not considered the Quran, if it came from someone other than God they will find in it many mistakes”. Some of you are students, would you dare to hand in a paper after you completed a research work or something at the bottom you put down there “You wont find mistakes in this”. Would you dare to challenge your professor that way?. Well the Quran does that. It is telling: If you really think you know where this came from then starts looking for mistakes because you wont find any. Another interesting thing the Quran does is that it quotes all its critics. There has never – in hundreds of years – ever been some suggestion as to where that book came from but that the Quran does not already mention that objection and reply to it. Many times you will find the Ayah saying something like: Do they say such and such and so, say to them such and such and so. In every case there is a reply. More than that the Quran claims that the evidence of its origin is in itself, and that if you look at this book you will be convinced.
Difference of Authority
So the difference in Christianity and Islam comes down to a difference of authority and appeal to authority. The Christian wants to appeal to the Bible and the Muslim wants to appeal to the Quran. You can not stop by saying: This is true because me book say it is, and somebody else would say something else is true because my book says differently, you can not stop at that point, and the Quran does not. The Christians may point to some words that it is recorded Jesus said and say this proves my point. But the Muslim does not simply open his book and say: No, no the Quran says this, because the Quran does not simply deny something the Bible says and say something else instead. The Quran takes the form of a rebuttal, it is a guidance as the opening says (Huda lil mutakeen). So that for every suggestion that the Christian may say: My Bible say such and such, the Quran will not simply say: No that is not true, it will say: Do they say such and such then ask them such and such. You have for example the Ayah that compares Jesus and Adam. There are those who may say that Jesus must have been God (Son of God) because he had no father. He had a woman who was his mother, but there was no human father. It was God that gave him life, so he must have been God’s son. The Quran reminds the Christian in one short sentence to remember Adam – who was his father ? – and in fact, who was his mother ? He did not have a father either and in fact he did not have a mother, but what does that make him? So that the likeness of Adam is the likeness of Jesus, they were nothing and then they became something; that they worship God.
Quran Invites – Not Demands
So that the Quran does not demand belief – the Quran invites belief, and here is the fundamental difference. It is not simply delivered as: Here is what you are to believe, but throughout the Quran the statements are always: Have you O man thought of such and such, have you considered so and so. It is always an invitation for you to look at the evidence; now what do you believe ?
Special Pleading of the Bible
The citation of the Bible very often takes the form of what is called in Argumentation: Special Pleading. Special Pleading is when implications are not consistent. When you take something and you say: Well that must mean this, but you don’t use the same argument to apply it to something else. To give an example, I have seen it in publications many times, stating that Jesus must have been God because he worked miracles. In other hand we know very well that there is no miracle ever worked by Jesus that is not also recorded in the Old Testament as worked by one of the prophets. You had amongst others, Elijah, who is reported to have cured the leper, raise the dead boy to life and to have multiplied bread for the people to eat – three of the most favourite miracles cited by Jesus. If the miracles worked by Jesus proved he was God, why don’t they prove Elijah was God ? This is Special Pleading, if you see what I mean. The implications are not consistent. If this implies that then in that case it must also imply the same thing. We have those who would say Jesus was God because he was taken up in the heaven. But the Bible also says the a certain Einah did not die he was taken up into the heaven by God. Whether it is true or not, who knows, but the point is if Jesus being taken up proves he is God, why does not it prove Einah was God? The same thing happened to him.
Clear Parts & Difficult Parts of Bible
I wrote to a man one time, who wrote a book about Christianity and I had some of the objections I mentioned to you now. And his reply to me was that I am making matters difficult to myself, that there are portions in the Bible that are crystal clear and that there are portions that are difficult, and that my problem was that I am looking at the difficult part instead of the clear parts. The problem is that this is an exercise in self deception – why are some parts clear and some parts difficult? It is because somebody decided what this clearly means, now that makes this very difficult. To give you an example, John Chapter 14 a certain man said to Jesus: Show us God, and Jesus said: If you have seen me you have seen God. Now without reading on the Christian will say: See Jesus claimed to be God, he said if you have seen me you have seen God. If that is crystal clear then you have a difficult portion when you go back just a few pages to Chapter 5 when another man came to Jesus and said show us God and he said you have never seen God you have never heard his voice. Now what did he mean there if on the other occasion he meant that he was God? Obviously you have made matters difficult by deciding what the first one meant. If you read on in Chapter 14 you will see what he went on to say. He was saying the closest you are going to seeing God are the works you see me doing.
Bible Does Not Claim Jesus Claimed to Be Son of God
It is a fact that the words “son of God” are not found on the lips of Jesus anywhere in the first three Gospel accounts, he was always calling himself the Son of Man. And it is a curious form of reasoning that I have seen so often that it is established from Bible that he claimed to be God because – look how the Jews reacted. They will say for example he said such and such and the Jews said he is blaspheming, he claimed to be God and they tried to stone him. So they argue that he must have been claiming to be God because look ! – the Jews tried to kill him. They said that’s what he was claiming. But the interesting thing is that all the evidence is then built on the fact that a person is saying: I believed that Jesus was the son of God because the Jews who killed him said that’s what he used to say ! His enemies used to say that, so he must have said it, this is what it amounts to. In other hand we have the words of Jesus saying he would keep the law, the law of Moses and we have the statement in the Bible, why did the Jews kill him ? Because he broke the law of Moses. Obviously the Jews misunderstood him, if he promised he would keep the law, but they killed him because he broke the law, they must have misunderstood him, or lied about him.
Writers of Bible – Out of Context
When I talk about the Bible and quote various verses here and there I am often accused of putting things out of context, to say you have lifted something out of what it was talking about and given it a meaning. I don’t want to respond to the accusation as such, but it doesn’t seem to occur to many people that perhaps those who wrote portions of the Bible in the first place were guilty of the same thing. Maybe they – some of those writers – believed a certain thing and in order to prove it quoted from their scriptures – the Old Testament, the Hebrew writings – quoted out of context to prove their point. There are examples of that kind of thing. In Matthew 2 it said that a king wanted to kill the young child Jesus so he with his family went to Egypt, and they stayed there until that king died, and then they came back.
When the writer of Matthew, whoever he was, because the name Matthew won’t be found in the book of Matthew; when he described this event saying that he came back out of Egypt, he said: “ This was to fulfil a prophecy which is written” and then he quotes Hosea Chapter 11 “Out of Egypt I called my Son”. So he said because Jesus went to Egypt and then came back out of Egypt and we have this passage in the Hebrew scriptures “out of Egypt I called my son” Jesus must have been the son of God. If you look and see what he was quoting, Hosea 11:1 he quotes the second half of a complete sentence, the complete sentence reads: “When Israel was young I loved him and out of Egypt I called my son”. Israel the nation was considered as the son of God. Moses was told to go to Pharaoh and say to him: If you touch that nation of people, you touch my son; warning him, warning Pharaoh: don’t touch that nation, calling the nation “the son of God”. So that this is the only thing talked about in Hosea 11:1. “Out of Egypt I called my son” can only refer to the nation of Israel. I mentioned this point some months ago here in another talk, to which a young lady with us objected that Israel is a symbolic name for Jesus. You will have a hard time finding that anywhere in the Bible because it isn’t there. You can take an index of the Bible and lookup the word “Israel” everywhere the word occurs and you will find no where in any place that you can connect the word Israel with Jesus. But never mind – suppose it is true, read on, the second verse says “and after that he kept on worshipping Bal”, because this is what the Israelites were guilty of, very often they kept falling back into Idol worshipping. So if that “Israel” really meant Jesus and it means that Jesus is the son of God that came out of Egypt they must also mean that Jesus from time to time used to bow down to that idol Bal. You have to be consistent, and follow through on what it says. So the point is whoever wrote Matthew and Chapter 2 was trying to prove a point by quoting something out of context, and he undid himself, because if you follow through on it, it can not be so.
Quran Has Internal Evidences
Now I can come back to the claim the Quran makes that it has internal evidence of its origin. There are many many ways that you can look at this. As one example, if I single out somebody here and say: You know, I know your father – he is going to doubt that, he has never seen me with his father. He would say, how does he look like, is he tall short does he wear glasses? and so on, and if I give him the right answers pretty soon he will get convinced, “Oh yes, you did meet him”. If you apply the same kind of thinking when you look at the Quran, here is a book that says it came from the one who was there when the universe began. So you should be asking that one: So tell me something that proves it. Tell me something that shows me you must have been there when the universe was beginning. You will find in two different Ayahs the statement that all the creation began from a single point, and from this point it is expanding. In 1978 they gave the Noble prize to two people who proved that thats the case. It is the big bang origin of the universe. It was determined by the large radio receivers that they have for the telephone companies which were sensitive enough to pick up the transmissions from satellites and it kept finding background noise that they could not account for. Until the only explanation came to be, it is the left over energy from that original explosion which fits in exactly as would be predicted by the mathematical calculation of what would be this thing if the universe began from a single point and exploded outwards. So they confirmed that, but in 1978. Centuries before that here is the Quran saying the heavens and the earth in the beginning they were one piece and split and says in another Ayah : “of the heavens we are expanding it”.
Quran Has Exact Accuracy
Let me tell you about a personal investigation, it occurred to me that there are a number of things you can find in the Quran that give evidence to its origin – internal evidence. If the Quran is dictated from a perfect individual; it originates with God, then there should not be any wasted space, it should be very meaningful. There should be nothing that we don’t need that you can cut off, and it should not be missing anything. And so that everything in there should really be there for a specific purpose. And I got to thinking about the Ayah which I mentioned before, it says, the likeness of Jesus is the likeness of Adam. It an equation, it uses the Arabic word (mithel), it says Jesus, Adam, equal. You go to the index of the Quran, you look up the name ISA it is in the Quran 25 times, you lookup the name Adam it is there 25 times. They are equal, through scattered references but 25 of each. Follow that through and you will find that in the Quran there are 8 places were an Ayah says something is like something else, using this (Mithel), you will find in every case and take both sides of it whatever that word is look it up in the index and it will be lets say 110 times and lookup the other word and it will be said to be equal to the same 110. That is quite a project of co-ordination if you try to write a book that way yourself. So that everywhere you happened to mention that such and such is like such and such that then you check your index, filing system, or your IBM punch cards or whatever, to make sure that in this whole book you mentioned them both the same number of times. But that’s what you will find in the Quran.
Quran Provides Reason
What I am talking about is built on a thing that is called in Logic: Use and Mention of a Word. When you use a word, you are using its meaning. When you mention a word, you are talking about the symbol without the meaning. For example, if I say Toronto is a big city – I used the word Toronto as I meant this place Toronto is a big city. But if I say to you Toronto has 7 letters, I am not talking about this place Toronto, I am talking about this word – Toronto. So, the revelation is above reasoning, but it is not above reason. That is to say we are more apt not to find in the Quran something that is unreasonable, but we may find something that we would have never figured out for ourselves.
Unique Word Refers to Itself in Quran
The author of this sentence said if this book came from someone besides God then you will find in it many Ikhtalafan (inconsistencies). The word Ikhtilaf is found many times in the Quran. But the word Ikhtalafan is only found once in the Quran. So there are not many Ikhtilafan in the Quran, there is only one – where the sentence is mentioned. So you see how things are put together perfectly. It has been suggested to mankind: Find a mistake. Man could not get hold of a mistake, and he is very clever, because this sentence could also mean: Find many Iktilafan and so he quickly goes to the index to see if he can find many of them and there is only one… Sorry clever person.
Bible And Quran – Originally Both From Allah
Conclusion: Both the Bible and the Quran have come to us by way of Almighty God, then through His angel Gabriel and then to the prophets, peace be upon them. However, when the next step comes into play (that of the human beings faithfully transmitting it on to others and future generations) we find out that Allah has only perserved His Last and Final Revelation for all times. And He certainly did not need the humans to do that.
Respect For Holy Books
Muslims should respect the Bible because it does still contain some of the original teachings of Allah. But there is no need to go to Bible classes or purchase one to read to try to learn about what our purpose is here in this life. The Quran makes it clear that Allah has indeed, perfected our “way of life” for us and has conferred on us His favor and has chosen for us to submit to Him in Islam.
We would like to suggest to the non-Muslims to consider obtaining a Quran (order one free through our site if you like) and then investigate for themsleves what the Quran is really all about and what it might mean to them in their lives.
Dear All Muslims,
Don’t west Ur Time Behind These PPL Coz they R Blind & Deaf……
And It’s Not Their Fault, Allah Make them like this…………..
Just Check the Sarah Yasin…….
When Prophets couldn’t convince them then how we can do this……..
Let them Loss In their own Imaginations……………. They can’t Miss guide Us coz we know what is truth…………
They are just being foolish by their own imagination and people……..
Bad People think Whole World is Bad, Good people think everyone is good & Fools Think That All are fools Just like that prayer of (Stones, Statues, Moon, Stars, Sun And the Other Things) also think that Whole World like them…………………
Don’t Argue with them……….. They are just want you to get Angry and spell Wrong words about their Religion……… as we are Muslim we Knows that Isa, Musa, Abraham, Noah, and David and other were the Prophets sent From Allah……………. And even we know that what will going to happen with them on the day of Judgment (Qayamat) When Allah Will Announce his Decision…….. That Day they Will Curs Themselves Why did they done all these things…………
So don’t pay Attention to them…………. These poor people’s are already confused and lost in their fake World………
And work hard to become pure Musalman and Thank Allah Coz He Makes Musalman And most important thing is that We Are the Ummati of The Leader of all Prophets Mohammed
And Thanks The Allah The Maker of everything in this World and out of it……
The Only God of Known & Unknown World……………………..
The God of Abraham, Moses, Noah, Solomon, David, Isa (Jesus) & Mohammed. And the Parents of all human Adam & Eve. And All about 1426000 Prophets…………………
The One and only ALLAH………………………
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Comparing Jesus & Muhammad
“The Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said unto you.” [Bible – John 14:26]
Jesus, the son of Mary, said, “A messenger will come after me, named Ahmad.” [Holy Quran 61:6]
The chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist, “If you are not the Christ (Messiah), and not Elijah – are you THAT Prophet?” [Bible – John 1:20]
When the chief priests and Levites asked John the Baptist who he was, they asked him in a very strange way. First they questioned him as to whether or not he was the anticipated “Messiah” [Christ in Koine Greek]. He was not the “Messiah” that had hoped for. Next they asked if he was the prophet Elijah and again he tells them, “No.” Now comes the really strange part. Finally, they asked him if he is “That Prophet?”
Are you Christ? – [No]
Are you Elijah? – [No]
Are you THAT Prophet? – [No]
What did they mean by “That Prophet?” We of course, know who the “Christ” is. After all, Christians should know that “Christ” is merely a shortened form of the Koine Greek word “christos,” intended to mean the Hebrew word “Messiah.”
The Jews of two thousand years ago were definitely looking for the Messiah, who it was foretold in their books, would come and lead them to victory over their oppressors and thus gain for them mastery over this world. They were much oppressed under Roman domination and even their own Jewish kings were seen as nothing more than puppets or agents for the disbelievers. Certainly, they would have been most happy to see someone come on the scene who would defeat their Roman masters and slave drivers.
Then the priests and Levites asked John the Baptist if he might be the prophet Elijah, returning back after hundreds of years being away. There was the notion amongst them that Elijah would come back. But again, John the Baptist is denying he is Elijah.
Then, who is he? They wonder at this man living out in the desert and forsaking wealth and luxury and fasting, avoiding the material attractions of life.
Again, they ask John the Baptist who he is. “Are you THAT Prophet?” And one more time he denies being “THAT Prophet,” but then he does tell them about someone who will come after him soon, whom he claims he is not worthy to even unlace his shoes.
However, this does not answer the question, “Who were they expecting besides the Messiah?” Could it be they were looking for someone like Muhammad? (Could be)
Who is THAT Prophet? –
Keep reading and learn who “That Prophet” is and what other proofs can be discovered within the Holy texts to support this idea.
For centuries Muslims have believed Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, was “THAT Prophet” mentioned in these words of the Gospel of John. The Quran states one of the important features of Jesus’ mission was to give the “bashir” or ‘glad tidings’ of the coming of the Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. During his short missionary career that lasted not more than three years, and which was overshadowed by the hostile attitude of his own people, Jesus gave them the good news of Ahmad, (one of the forms of “Muhammad”) the last messenger of God, who would perfect the divine teaching both in theory and in practice. The Quran mentions that, Jesus says:
“O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah {Almighty God} (sent) to you, confirming the Law (Torah or Old Testament) before me, and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad.”
[Holy Quran 61:6]
The Quran gives the name as Ahmad, one of several ways to say Muhammad’s name. Just as we have in English the name Joseph, and often use a shorter form such as “Joe” or the familiar form, “Joey,” and other names like “Jonathan” which becomes “John”; “Jack” or “Johnny”, so in the same way we find Arabic has similar forms for a name. Muhammad, Ahmad and Hamad are a few of the names originating from the root word, “hamd” (meaning ‘praise) in Arabic, and can be understood as “The one who praises (God)”; “the praised one”; “praising”; etc.
Abdullah Yusuf Ali in his translation of the meanings of the Quran to English, he states, “Ahmad or Muhammad, the Praised One is a translation of the Koine Greek word Periclytos. In the present gospel of John 14:16, 15:26 and 16:7, the Greek word Paracletos is translated in the NIV as Comforter. Paracletos can mean an Advocate, or “one called to the help of another”, “a kind friend.” Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was known from birth as one who brought comfort and reconciliation to family, friends and strangers alike, especially in bringing together the ties of kinship and brotherly love.
Another nick name of the prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, mentioned in the Bible (or at least what is left of it in the English language) is “The Spirit of Truth.” As-Saddiq means exactly that and it is was another name given to Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, by those who knew his proclivity for honesty and integrity.
The New Testament Gospel according to John, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, promises them the Paracletos will come four times (John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7). Naturally, Jesus, peace and blessings be upon him, did not return in their lifetime nor did any other prophet for that matter, so later thinkers came up with the notion that it was not Jesus “in person” but rather, Jesus coming back in “spirit form.” This led some Christians to assert, this was to be the Holy Spirit, who would descend upon the disciples on the Day of the Pentecost (Acts 2), to witness Christ and lead them into the whole truth and to be with the believers forever, and they would not die (John 3:16), but have everlasting life. Also, some added verses later (see footnotes to Revised Standard Version of the Bible) to the very last chapter of Mark (16), wherein, they have the Spirit coming upon them in such a way they imagined themselves going to be able to speak with new languages; pick up snakes, lay hands on the sick to cure them and even drink poison and nothing would hurt them. [Luke 23:17-18]
Another point is, the Paracletos, comforter or the Spirit of truth, was going to dwell with us from now on. Certainly anyone could see Muhammad’s influence and his message of worshipping only One God without any partners has prevailed long after his earthly life.
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Much has been written about this subject, to the surprise of learned Muslims asparadise in the Islamic mindset is much more than mere sexual-sensation. Thus, thecritic’s fascination with this Islamic belief is perplexing to say the least,William Montgomery Watt (paraphrased) did indicate that the critic who focuses onthe sexual elements related to Islam speaks more about him/herself as opposed toIslam. In fact he goes further and highlights the fact that the Muslim world isbetter controlled when it comes to sexual urges than its Western (Christian)counterpart [1]. It does seem that the famous Biblical passage concerning thespeck of sawdust in your brother’s eye is highlighted while your own eye containssomething far more harmful (a plank) yet ignored comes into play. [2]
However, it is still important to outline the view of paradise that the Muslimwill have rather than the view the critic wrongly imposes upon the Muslim. Criticsoften seem horrified that the Muslims would be of the belief that there would bephysical sensations in paradise, especially of a sexual nature. The history or thecontext behind this is that the critic invariably comes from a culture which wasor is still subsumed by Christianity and the Christian view of paradise isgenerally one of a spiritual sensation only and the “horror” of having a physicalexperience (especially one of a sexual nature) in the “presence of God” inparadise does not sit well with the cultural and religious beliefs that thecritics have been moulded by (consciously or subconsciously). Thus, it is fair tosay that the critic’s almost obsessive focus on the sexual element within theMuslim paradise is somewhat understandable as it is foreign and incompatible withthe influencing factors which shaped their mode of thinking. That does not meanthat they are exempt from revising their views in the light of the Muslimresponse, a response which is usually left unreported leading to a lob-sideddebate or one-way argument against Islam.
To the Muslim the critic’s view is extremely myopic and sensationalistic whilstthe critics on the unregulated internet do add to the mix in a much more coarseand unsophisticated fashion; this combined with the lack of a Muslim response tobalance the discussion leads the Muslim to much frustration. Subsequently shrieksof “Islamophobia” can be heard but all that is required in reality is ananalytical approach and an approach that brings to the surface the Muslimresponse, this is sufficient to show that the Muslims have some genuinely potentpoints that counter the critics in a convincing fashion. If this methodicalapproach is adopted as opposed to suspicion and idle claims of Islamophobia thisissue would have been put to bed in no time (pun intended) thus forcing the criticin a position of defence rather then the default attack position that the critichas been stuck in concerning this aspect of Islam.
Firstly it is important to show the critics who are representing Islamic views onparadise as solely physical that they are mistaken as according to Islamictheology the individual (in paradise) will have the best of the physical and thebest of the spiritual in paradise. So the thunderous denials to the claims thatthe Islamic paradise is solely focussed on sex or physical well being must beheard as critics are misrepresenting the Islamic views on Paradise. In fact thespiritual aspect of paradise is thought to be greater and more appealing than thephysical features of the Muslim paradise. It is concerning that the critics leavethis crucial information out in order to carry out their onslaught against Islam
Now we have established that the Islamic views pertaining to paradise are similarto the Christian views in so far as the inhabitant would be at a zenith or peak ofspirituality (i.e. his/her relationship with God would be more complete) we canrealise the only difference between the two (aside from the obvious theologicaldifferences concerning the nature of God) is that the Islamic view incorporatesthe idea of physical pleasure (i.e. good food, clothing, accommodation, spousesetc). The question is, why would physical pleasure be objectionable to the critic,especially considering that the spiritual side of the Islamic Paradise is verymuch there too.
Accumulation of lies!
This pictures is false, it is of false sect, not original, they call themselves “Muslims”.
When Pt Muhammad, peace unto Him, was young (not as in the picture), to make a “Resolution” between tribes:Who will rebuild the Ka’ba? He suggested this solution: Participation to build it, it was as so, stone by stone.
The “silver corner” is the place of 3 different parts of old rests stones of old Ka’ba built by Pt Abraham & Pt Ismael. Exposition.
Nothing may fall from the moon !
We do not worship “this place” it is for pilgrim =Holly visit. This place is the direction for prayers for all Muslims.
John 1:20 says THE PROPHET, they were waiting for the lost Pt. Elijah, Pt. Yesa the Messiah, or THE PROPHET…not Christ see Acts 24:5 & 14-18 = Sect of Nazarenes(of Nazareth) =Christianity is just a false sect, HERESY, not original. Read it in your book.
Sex in paradise? Why not? If it is legit? Nothing is more delicious than normal sex !
Is not better than a “new parallel world” of “Female angels”, with Saint angels …Fallen angels…adultery angels …false angels…!
Search for : Phallus-Penis on Google images
Or Phallic Jesus ?!
Why “Holly Spirit” is “bodily as DOVE” ???????????????
Christianity has a very long “managed” history, it is a Hindu worship of YONI -LINGAM of Shiva god. Christ=Krishna
marwanyafi,
Your constant accusations are so tiresome. No one here is buying any of them. Why do you persist?
I have shown you before how false your accusations are and yet you continue to mouth them—is someone paying you to do that? That is the only reason that makes sense of your behavior. Please stop. Harassing Christians will net you a lot of trouble in the life to come.
I am not paid as your church, who collects billions…
Like angels in heaven!!!!!!
Which kind of Angels????
In bodily females, winged women
As described by Paul’s group of Antioch in Greece not in Palestine?
Matthew 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Luke 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.
Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
1Corinthians 6:3
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life
2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven: Michael, and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
All whores of Babylonia are “Winged Females”
All angels of Christianity are “Winged Females”
But the effeminate Gabriel !
When you decide which kind of angel you will be in your promised eternal life, tell me to answer you.
Marwan,
Sickening! You make your women into sex slaves. It’s all about fulfilling the lusts of men. Your women are turned into sex slaves even in heaven and when you marry them you possess her sex organs and use her up like a dirty rag. Shame on you.
Take your filth and blasphemy with you and off this site.
marwanyafi,
You said: “Sex in paradise? Why not?”
You are thinking carnally marwan. In Matthew 22:29-30, Jesus said, “…“You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.”
Again, I ask you—if you believe that Jesus is a prophet, why do you not believe Him?
I believe in Prophet Yesa, peace unto Him, not in “sect of Paul & his Jewish group of Antioch” which is a heresy. Acts 24:5 & 11-19.
How can spirit beings have sex?… the Messenger angels dont. I drowned when I was 3 and left my body.. I saw my flesh on the bottom of the pool.. and then saw the grim reaper sought me, but my Mom pulled me out and I was revived. we are not given into marriage and such in the Heavenly Realm. Only Yahusha has ascended.not Enoch,not Elijah they were transliterated and didnt feel the sting of death..they rest with thier fathers in the Earth as does David. the dead know nothing. . . until the Resurrection at Yahusha’s return at the end of Tribulation..
I wonder what hapends to muslim women in paradise. Are they eternal wirgines that will be used for sex for ever? Thats truly hell.
But there is no paradise, there are only haven and hell. Whatch the movie I linked to. Named “Muhammed is in hell”
Time is short. The final call is here. Turn your heart to Yeshua, the only way to God, the Creator, YHWH.
Hi Dorkas,
I guess there is no heaven for Muslim women, since there job is to continue to be subservient sex slaves of men even in heaven. This is such a fleshly view of heaven it escapes all reason and sensibility. Moreover, it is a sad theology that the best thing in heaven is virgin sex (that only the men “benefit”) instead of being in the presence of the Almighty. How male chauvinist can you get?
The first argument of the critic
Well there are two stances the critic takes to this, the first argument istheologically motivated (usually critics who happen to be Christians use thisapproach) in that they argue that physical pleasure in the “presence” of God issomething unthinkable, especially pleasure of a sexual nature. This view would bemore understandable if the Islamic Paradise lacked the spiritual element but thefact remains it does not and is very much similar to the Christian view ofparadise when it comes to the spiritual aspect. So I feel the theologicallymotivated critic argues a straw man as he/she wrongly pre-supposes that the Muslimparadise is solely physical and lacks the spiritual side to it.
Their argument also drifts to the obvious tangent in that they cannot comprehend how or why sex would be allowed in Paradise “in the presence of God”, they in factare quite simply horrified by this. Their horror only arises as Christendom’s views on sex has always been one of a taboo, this perhaps is borne from their belief that Jesus never married and thus they view it (sexual relations) somewhat unbefitting of the pious and those of a spiritual nature; this is further supported by the Catholic priests and nuns vowing celibacy. On the other hand the Muslim view of sex has never really got the stage of taboo or shame. In fact it isseen as a natural desire of the man and woman which would be related to the natural desire of the human for food (though not the same). Islam in this sense recognises the human nature and even recommends avenues to fulfil this desire in an Islamically acceptable fashion, namely within marriage. Marriage is recommended and celibacy is frowned upon and the woman’s desire for sexual satisfaction is acknowledged too.
In fact Muslim writings concerning sex are very analytical and scientific whilstin the past (as well as now) Christian writings have always seemed to be underpinned by suspicion, shame and even eroticism when it comes to sex. Even to this day the Catholic Church is vigorously opposed to contraception as sex thus becomes a thing of pleasure rather than procreation whilst the Muslim does notgenerally object to contraception as sexual relations are seen through a scientific fashion and the sensual enjoyment of sex is recognised along with it being the mode for reproduction. In fact, upon reflection, I saw the Islamicmethod of dealing with issues of this type as progressive, modern and scientific(whilst being enveloped with a removal of any negative taboo). This Islamic mindset is deemed a positive one for sex education.
Having set the context we realise that the idea of sex within Paradise for the Muslim is not something of taboo but merely linked to the view that in paradise every body (man and woman) has their desires fulfilled (both physical and spiritualdesires) and sexual urges are included in the physical desires.
Knowing this the critic should factor this into his/her work, if this is done diligently without an agenda-based motivation we would see that the idea of sexual pleasure in the Islamic paradise is not such a big deal and those who do make it into an issue are lacking contextual knowledge and in many cases argue a straw manas they fail to realise that the Muslim paradise includes spiritual pleasure and this pleasure is viewed as the greater form of pleasure.
Going back to the Christian repulsion towards sexual satisfaction “in the presence of God” in paradise one only needs to remind the Christian of their belief concerning Jesus, the Christian believes him to be God. Now, when Jesus was on earth his mother was married to Joseph and he was beset by married people,there fore conjugal relations (sex within marriage) clearly were taking place in the proximity of Jesus. As the Christian believes Jesus to be God then the Christian critics seem hypocritical and even Biblically illiterate when making such an attack against the Islamic view of paradise.
THREE MORE POST TO COME
Yaseer,
The reason why Christians reject the Islamic view of the afterlife is that Jesus said in speaking to the Scribes and Pharisees (in Matthew 22:29-30), ““You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”
Our Messiah Yeshua Himself assured us that there will be no sexual expression in heaven (no marriage=no sex). The purpose in sex for mortals is to join marital partners and to have children. Since there will be no marriage and since it seems that the number of souls will be a fixed number through all eternity, there is no more reason for sex. We know that heaven will be a place of great joy however. But sensuality is of a more carnal nature and it has always been an entry point for the demonic to enter lives here on earth. In the resurrection, we will be totally purified of the carnal nature.
Muslims always seem sex-obsessed to Christians. And Muslim women seem to be sexually used and abused. Hardly something that our Messiah Yeshua would sanction. Muslim men seem like teen-aged boys—preoccupied with sexual thoughts. How is there any time to think on the virtues of compassion, peace, patience, generosity, kindness, faithfulness, self-discipline and joy? By the way, it is a lie that Muslims are better at restraining their impulses than Christians.
To make the point even more vivid it is hinted that prostitution (illegal sexual relations) was taking place in the locality of Jesus [4]; the question to the Christian is, if the Bible hints at illegal sexual satisfaction taking place in the area of Jesus (who the Christian believes to be God) then how can the Christian critics object to sex in paradise for the Muslim. It really is a case of hypocrisy and ignorance of their ideologies. Of course if that illustration was not sufficient for the critic of a Christian background then how about the belief that the Holy Spirit (who is also thought to be God by Christians) resides in Christians; do Christians not have sex? Certainly they do there fore according totheir beliefs we realise they must believe that this sexual satisfaction takes place in the presence of their god. Thankfully there are only a small group of Christians who make such hypocritical and ignorant attacks against Islamic ideas on paradise.
Before moving onto the second group’s argumentation we can look to the Bible and realise there is not much definitive description concerning paradise and thus leaving it open to debate within Christendom whether the body will be physical or not but there is a description of John’s view of paradise in Revelation 22:2,remarkably it seems to fit in line with the Muslim view that paradise will have a physical element to it:
down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month.And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations
Though this is not definitive but the fruit being yielded does support the argument that there will be food in the Christian view of paradise, however it isimportant to note that the Christian view of paradise is not fully understood asthe Bible does not really expand upon it thus leaving it open to speculation. So,pardon the pun, this is some food for thought for the critics who come from a Christian background.
It is also worth noting that though there is food in the Muslim paradise (and theChristian view of paradise hints at the same through the Biblical reference cited)we should realise that both the Christian and Muslim beliefs about paradise teachus that there will be no thirst or hunger in paradise there fore the food/drink is something solely for pleasure rather than out of hunger/thirst. As we are discussing the critics who happen to be motivated by evangelising their Christian beliefs to the Muslims we can bring a Bible passage into play. The real motivation behind the Christian critic in attacking the Muslim view of paradise is all down to the fact that Muslims do not view Jesus as God but rather as a Prophet; surely this belief of Muslims should not mean that they get a raw deal! A biblical passage to encourage the Muslim to take the unfair critique from theologically motivated groups with a mature and patient approach:
11″Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great isyour reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you. [3]
These words are attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Matthew. They do resonate in the hearts of the Muslims who have been unfortunate enough to witness some of the sinister misrepresentations of the Muslim faith by so-called Christians on the internet. I am glad to say that the majority of Christians that I know of do not go down the route of att acking Islam in a wicked manner just because it holds adifferent teaching to the Trinitarian Christian view.
The second argument of the critic
The second group are those who attack the Muslim view of Heaven solely based onsexual enticement alone, they tend to be people who claim Muslim men are motivatedby sex alone and question why “sexual reward” must be offered in order for theMuslim to behave. It is important to correct this group (they usually consist ofsecularists) as reward is not merely limited to men but includes women too. Thiscritic misses the other rewards of paradise and directs his focus solely on thesexual pleasure within paradise. Well, the question to the critic would be why nothave a variety of physical rewards in Heaven?
Muslims and Christians are commanded by their respective faiths to avoid sexual sin (even looking lustfully at a member of the opposite sex); would it not be Justof God to reward those that complied with His orders with something better? This view of paradise by the Muslim does in fact help the Muslim to comply; knowingthat there is something better in the hereafter if they avoid the sin in thislife. It must be stressed that this is not the reason behind the Muslim avoidance of sin but the reason is due to his/her spiritual nature and closeness to God.
Not to pick on Christianity but to merely use it as an example to put against Islam, within Christendom there has been a number of high profile cases ofChristian leaders falling to sexual sin (i.e. Ted Haggard, Jimmy Swaggert etc)whilst, to date, instances of such a nature are unheard of when it concerns high profile Muslim leaders. Now we compare the two, Christianity lacks a clear idea ofa “reward” of physical pleasure in paradise while Islam does posses this idea very clearly. Couple this with the fact that sexual sin is not such a wide spread problem in the Muslim world as opposed to the Christian world and ask the question which one seems to inspire their respective followers to avoid the sin? Thus theIslamic view of paradise does have an apparent wisdom behind it.
The Islamic belief is that Allah is Just so if an individual who is not appealing to the member of the opposite sex (through no fault of his own) has something of comfort from his/her beliefs concerning paradise. Why cannot this person be of the belief that in Paradise he/she will get a spouse who is greater than anything this world can offer, this view surely offers emotional and psychological comfort to the individual. I think this belief is even more relevant in this Hollywood/Popculture of ours in the West where beauty, wealth and attraction to the opposite sex are seen as the be-all and end-all; yet we know many will never reach the lifestyle that the Western (pop/Hollywood) culture sets for us as the benchmark. Surely, psychologically and emotionally, the Islamic belief is a fine remedy and also curtails the individual’s desire to enter the realms of unregulatedmaterialism thus aiding his/her spiritual growth as materialism is a hindrance to spirituality. It seems to me that the Islamic system has got a system that is workable and of benefit to the individual both psychologically, emotionally and spiritually. This is food for thought.
Summary
The critic generally misses the fuller picture of the Muslim Paradise and blows the sexual element out of perspective and takes it out of context. The critic fails to mention that the Muslim paradise contains spiritual ecstasy and this isthe main feature of the Muslim paradise and the physical ecstasy (be it food, drink, accommodation, sexual relations) is second to the spiritual element.Critics also focus entirely on the sexual element of the physical whilst the Muslim paradise contains a whole spectrum of physical delights for the inhabitants.
Theologically motivated critics abhor the idea that physical pleasure should be“in the presence of God” but fail to give a reason why God would not allow physical pleasure in Heaven especially considering that He can view us in this life partaking in physical pleasure. This type of critic also falls into hypocrisyas the Christian Bible shows that physical pleasure (including sexual pleasure)took place in the locality of Jesus and the Christians believe that Jesus is God therefore we realise that the Muslim idea of paradise containing physical delight“in the presence of God” is not something for the Christians to argue against.
Finally, looking at the Muslim idea of physical delight in the Hereafter werealise that this idea provides great emotional, psychological and spiritual support in combating the superficial, materialistic ideas and teachings on life that the current Pop culture in our Western world imposes upon us.11″Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say allkinds of evil against you because of me.
12 Rejoice and be glad, because great isyour reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who werebefore you. [3]I do hope the critics do ponder upon these points and give the Muslim a fair deal.
May Allah help us all into Paradise. Ameen.
Note: all Bible references come from the New International Version References
[1] What Is Islam by W.Montgomery Watt, Longman Group, Second Edition, 1979, pg230
[2] New International Version, Matthew 7:3
[3] Ibid. Matthew 5:11-12
[4] Ibid. Luke 7:36-3
ONLY GOD KNOW ALL
Yaseer,
Shalom.
When women are raped brutally in Islamic countries,the women are whipped to death under Sharia law. You punish young girls for the lust of older men. Absolutely disgusting. Because the men can’t control their lust, they force women to wear a sheet over her head with only their eyes peeping through. They are prisoners of their own bodies.
They can’t go anywhere without a chaperone or they are whipped when a pervert decides to sexually abuse her as if it’s her fault. Give me a break.
Many Muslim men go into prostitute houses and ask an imam to “marry” them to a whore, then when they are done with her they ask for a “divorce.” Let’s be honest. This is a very common occurrence in Pakistan.
When we hear that terrrorists can commit murder and get 72 virgins in heaven for it, are you surprised when we see muslim men as sex-obsessed???
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1353234/Bangladesh-girl-14-whipped-dead-affair-married-man-rape-cousin.html
Dear Yaseer,
Why do you think that people are “islamaphobic”?
1. The Koran says to kill Christians, Jews and “infidels.”
2. Muslims believe civil law should be ruled by Sharia law.
3. Islamic leaders want to blow Israel off the map, calling the USA little satan and Israel “big satan” (both democratic nations)
4. The Koran says to lie to Christians in order to promote islamic causes.
5. Christians/Jews and moral people reject a “prophet” (mohammed) who commits a horrible crime of marrying a 6 year old child that still needs her mother and is expected to be wife of an older man and sexually satisfy him. This is a heinous crime.
These are just a few. There are no arguments to give about marriage to a 6 year old little girl, lying to people and for your holy book to encourage dishonesty and murder.
Dear sueliz1
Wery well said. Sad to say that I dont think muslims see anithing wrong whit it. It`s a demonic religion, whit no respekt to anithing or any one. Blod and death are there honor and they dont want to know the thrut about them self.
Trinitarians often like to claim that they have a monotheistic belief, and that the Trinity is not the worship of 3 Gods rather it is the worship of One God. Basically they say the Trinity doctrine is as follow:
1- God is made up of 3 persons
2- The three persons are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit
3- All three persons are distinct from each other, The Father is not the Son, nor is the Son the Father etc.
4- Each person in the Trinity has a role of their own
5- Jesus is the Son in the Trinity
So basically that is the dogma of the Trinity.
Now let us show exactly why Christians do in fact worship three God’s. As I said, the Trinity is made up of THREE people, these three people are all different than one another, it is basically exactly like having 3 people in an office, Tom Dick and Harry.
Now Christians say that Jesus is God, the Father is God, and so is the Holy Spirit. So therefore if you have three people, and each one of them is God then what are you left with? You are left with THREE Gods! This is logic!
If Tom Dick and Harry are each managers, how many managers do you have? You have three! Remember Trinity has THREE different persons, and each person is God, therefore you have three Gods and not one, there is no way around this mess.
Let us even make it simpler for people:
Muslim: Is Jesus God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is Jesus the Father?
Christian: No
Muslim: Is the Father God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is The Father Jesus?
Christian: No
Muslim: So these are 2 different persons?
Christian: Yes, 2 distinct different persons
Muslim: And both are God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is the Holy Spirit God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: Is the Holy Spirit the Father or Jesus?
Christian: No, the Holy Spirit is not
Muslim: So Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is God?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: And these are three different persons?
Christian: Yes
Muslim: So you have three persons, each one is God, how many is that?
Christian: Three, opppssss no no I meant One
It cannot get any simpler than that, Trinitarians worship THREE Gods and they can’t deny it.
Now off course Trinitarians have come up with dozens and dozens of laughable analogies to make sense of the Trinity, however so my favorite analogy Christians bring up to make sense of the Trinity is the Family analogy.
The family analogy basically says this:
A Family is made up of more than one member, a Father, Mother, and Son. Yet the family is one family and not three families, the same with Trinity.
This is my favorite analogy, and it is one of the most deceptive analogies. The family statement is true, a family is made up of 2 or more persons, a typical basic family is a Husband, Wife, and son.
But here is the problem, Christians say that each person in the Trinity is God, remember Christians say Jesus is God, the Father is God, and the Holy Spirit is also God. So therefore using the Christian Trinity doctrine, that would basically mean that the husband is a family, the wife is a family, and the son is also a family! In a family we say that the husband wife and son MAKE UP A FAMILLY, we do not say that each specific member of the family is the family!
Just test this out for yourself, go ask any Christian, is Jesus God, they will immediately say YES! AMENNNNNNNNNN! The Christian will not reply back by saying no Jesus is not God, but Jesus is part of God, you will NEVER hear this reply by a Christian, and I myself have never heard this from a Christian. So therefore the analogy FAILS since the analogy is not even close to Trinity, when you ask a husband are you a family sir? He will say I HAVE a family and yes I am in a family, but he will not say yes I am a family. So Christian Trinitarians have been very deceptive in their analogies and it seems they themselves don’t understand what Trinity even is!
Christians do not say No Jesus is not God, or no the Father is not God, Christians do not say that Jesus and the Father are part of God and make up God, they say that Jesus IS God, they say that the Father IS God. So the analogy crumbles.
And this analogy even makes more problems! You see folks, someone doesn’t come up to you alone and say are you a family? For instance if I was standing outside a shop all alone, a person would not ask me hey Sami are you a family? They would ask hey Sami are you in a family or do you have a family. So basically if we want to compare the Trinity to this family analogy, then this means that we should not ask Christians is Jesus God, we should ask Christians does Jesus have a God, does the Father have a God! Because the analogy is basically turning God into a family, so therefore this means God is made up of people, and is not one alone person, just like a family, so this means we should be asking the Christians does Jesus have a God rather than asking is Jesus God.
So as you can see, these analogies are so bad and deceptive they cause further problems for a Trinitarian. Trinitarians should simply accept the fact that they worship three God’s, once doing so they will be able to throw this Trinity lie out the window and become a real monotheistic faith.
And Allah Knows best and Allah is One not Three
Yaseer,
Why do you insist on spamming us with your Islamic justifications for that which is really indefensible? That Mohammed married poor little 6 year-old Aisha, is incredibly perverted and evil.
This is from an article that condemns what Mohammed did: “Arguing that Mohammed reflected the practices of his time is to admit that Mohammed was not inspired by God and was a false prophet. He did not raise the bar of morality to adult monogamy,
but behaved the same as pagans. Moreover, by making marriage alliances, he revealed his true motive was his personal political power, rather than the religious or moral betterment of society. Far from showing Mohammed as a moral leader, this argument shows the reverse: that Mohammed was morally a pagan and a scheming politician. True revelation would have categorically denounced pedophilia as evil.”
Jesus had great compassion for children and was undoubtedly saddened by the poor treatment that they received. He was their fierce defender as well, “”But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone hung around your neck.” (Mark 9:42) There can be no justification for “marrying” a child. Jesus’ words have condemned Mohammed.
Why do you not respond to any of our posts? Afraid to, Yaseer?
I POST THE ANSWER TO ALL YOUR CHALLENGES BUT IT IS NO WIRE TO BE FOUND . YOU DON WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH IF YOU DO CONTACT ME AND ASK ME ANY THING YOU WANT IN ANY MANNER YOU WANT MY E-MAIL (YASEERSAMBO@YAHOO.COM) WAITING FOR YOU THERE IF YOU HAVE PROOF THAT ISLAM IS NOT TRUE AND CHRISTIANITY IS THEN I WILL BE A CHRISTIAN I PROMISE.
THEY BLOCK ME FROM POSTING
Dear Yasser01
Shalom.
I have not blocked your comments. You are a Muslim, and that is your choice. You are free to defend you faith.
But you will not be permitted to publish links to deception.
The comments field is a field for debate. Not to set up links to Islamic websites.
The links that you have posted are not answers—they are propaganda.
I think there is plenty of evidence that weighs against Islam—its sanctioned brutal treatment of women, its extreme war-like nature (that serves no one but Satan), the fact that it was founded by an immoral, blood-thirsty man. I could go on but that alone is enough to reject it as false religion.
There have been many, many attacks on the Christian faith from the very beginning. All but one of the Apostles were martyred for the simple act of telling others about Jesus. Indeed, 70,000,000 Christians have been martyred by evil men. They were burned as torches to light the garden of the evil Roman Emperor Nero, they were torn apart by wild animals for the entertainment of the Roman masses in Roman arenas, just for refusing to bow down to the Roman “gods”. Sadly, a significant amount of the martyrdom came at the hands of the Roman Church which, in reality is led (and has always been led) by those who are much more interested in geo-politics than they are in preaching the Truth. It is the Roman Church which was responsible for an incredible amount of suffering, not only of true Christians but of many others as well. They have ended up serving Satan’s agenda—not Christ’s. In fact, I believe that a number of the men who lead in the Vatican are dedicated to furthering the interests of Satan. Satan hates Christians and Jews because they know and defend the truth (although the Jews do not yet possess the truth that the Messiah has already come and the same Messiah is coming again as the Righteous King). Both the Old Testament and the New Testament complement and enrich the understanding of both. The best parts of Islam were taken from the Old and New Testaments. The full revelation of God rests in the Messiah Yeshua. There was no need of any further “revelation” by Mohammed. His “revelations” amount to yet another attack on the Christian faith and on Christians. Yeshua said that He is the way, the truth and the life—that no one comes to the Father except by way of Yeshua. Why do we need any clearer statement than that. If you read the New Testament, and you ask God to show you the truth, He will. I will pray for you.
ELLEN wire is the evidence if you say islam say this show me wire you see it don’t just say what you see on youtube and what other criticizers says
VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ISLAM AND THE ACTUAL PRACTICE OF MUSLIMS
1. Media maligns Islam
a. Islam is without doubt the best religion but the media is in the hands of the westerners who are afraid of Islam. The media is continuously broadcasting and printing information against Islam. They either provide misinformation about Islam, misquote Islam or project a point out of proportion, if any.
b. When any bomb blast takes place anywhere, the first people to be accused without proof are invariably the Muslims. This appears as headlines in the news. Later, when they find that non-Muslims were responsible, it appears as an insignificant news’ item.
c. If a 50-year old Muslim marries a 15-year old girl after taking her permission, it appears on the front page but when a 50-year old non-Muslim rapes a 6-year old girl, it may appear in the news in the inside pages as ‘Newsbriefs’. Everyday in America on an average 2,713 cases of rape take place but it doesn’t appear in the news, since it has become a way of life for the Americans.
2. Blacksheep in every community
I am aware that there are some Muslims who are dishonest, unreliable, who cheat, etc. but the media projects this as though only Muslims are involved in such activities. There are blacksheep in every community. I know Muslims who are alcoholics and who can drink most of the non-Muslims under the table.
3. Muslims best as a whole
Inspite of all the blacksheep in the Muslim community, Muslims taken on the whole, yet form the best community in the world. We are the biggest community of teetotallers as a whole, i.e. those who don’t imbibe alcohol. Collectively, we are a community which gives the maximum charity in the world. There is not a single person in the world who can even show a candle to the Muslims where modesty is concerned; where sobriety is concerned; where human values and ethics are concerned.
4. Don’t judge a car by its driver
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the “Mercedes” car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc. Even if I agree for the sake of argument that the Muslims are bad, we can’t judge Islam by its followers! If you want to judge how good Islam is then judge it according to its authentic sources, i.e. the Glorious Qur’an and the Sahih Hadith.
5. Judge Islam by its best follower i.e. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
If you practically want to check how good a car is, put an expert driver behind the steering wheel. Similarly the best and the most exemplary follower of Islam by whom you can check how good Islam is, is the last and final messenger of God, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Besides Muslims, there are several honest and unbiased non-Muslim historians who have acclaimed that prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the best human being. According to Michael H. Hart who wrote the book, ‘The 100 Most Influential Men in History’, the topmost position, i.e. the number one position goes to the beloved prophet of Islam, Muhammad (pbuh). There are several such examples of non-Muslims paying great tributes to the prophet (pbuh), like Thomas Carlyle, La-Martine, etc.
Not all Muslims understand and follow their religion.
Islam and the followers of Islam, Muslims, are very prominent in the media nowadays. Around the world debates rage about various Islamic topics or topics that invariably involve Muslims. Almost continuous media exposure means that there is hardly a person left in the world that has not read or seen something about Islam or Muslims, or both. In addition, most people have an opinion. Many base their opinions on misconceptions or misunderstandings about Islam. Many base their opinions on the actions or words of people who call themselves Muslims but actually have very little knowledge about their religion.
Thankfully, many base their opinions on sound knowledge and research. It is through the mercy of God that the truth of Islam usually reigns triumphant over media speculation and disinformation. However, in a media saturated century it is only fair to ask the question, do all Muslims represent Islam?
The answer is, of course not! Think about it for a minute. Would any one ask the question, do all German’s represent Germany? Do all Indonesians represent Indonesia? Do all Catholics represent Catholicism, all Hindus, Hinduism? No, of course not! While one religion or one country is not generally maligned by the action of a few people, this sadly has not been the case for Islam, especially post 9/11.
It is a distressing fact that many great crimes have been perpetrated by individuals, groups, and countries in the name of Islam. When these atrocities occur, it has somehow become the norm to blame the religion of Islam instead of the perpetrators themselves. In 1987 when Sikh gunmen opened fire on Hindu bus passengers in India’s Punjab state, killing 38 people, the media did not declare the Sikh religion to be bloodthirsty and automatically condemn all Sikhs.
In Spain, ETA (the Basque Separatist Movement) has claimed responsibility for more than 800 unlawful deaths since 1968. Even though Spain is 94% Catholic, as is mentioned in the CIA world Fact book, this atrocity was not attributed to Catholics nor is the Catholic Church condemned as a religion promoting violence. If a person commits a crime and then declares himself Muslim, or shouts the words Allahu Akbar (God is Great) this does not make him or her a representative of Islam.
However, knowing that not all Muslims represent Islam does not solve the problem. Just what is this religion called Islam and how is it that many people who declare themselves Muslim misrepresent their own way of life? Unfortunately, many Muslims throughout the world are marginalised and are struggling to overcome colonial and imperial backgrounds. The military conquest, economic exploitation and cultural mutation imbedded in the colonialism of the 15th to 20th centuries has left generation after generation of disaffected, poverty stricken and marginalised Muslims struggling to come to terms with a globalised world.
This however is not an excuse for bad behaviour or the perpetration of atrocities on the innocent. There are no excuses for crimes like this. Background information does however serve to help us understand why some people commit crimes and atrocities against humanity, against themselves and ultimately against their religion. When we see or read about a person who calls himself or herself a Muslim perpetrating a crime too horrible to contemplate, it is important to understand that this person does not represent Islam. The same can be said of all religions. Throughout history, humankind has used the name of God to justify unspeakable acts.
In Islam it is impossible for one person to speak on behalf of all Muslims, or to act on behalf of all Muslims. When differences arise Muslims turn to the only reliable sources, the Quran and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him.
One of the problems facing the world today in general and facing Muslims specifically is that unqualified people think that it is possible to read a book, badly translated into a language other then Arabic, and instantly become able to give religious rulings on subjects they really have no knowledge about. People with very little real Islamic knowledge suddenly become experts while the real experts are unable to have their opinions heard. Extreme groups preach extreme ideologies that have no place in the way of life that is Islam. Islam is the middle ground, extreme is not from the teachings of Islam.
When Islam is called the religion of peace it is meant literally. Islam comes from the root word “sa-la-ma”, as do the words Muslim (one who follows the message of Islam) and which among many meanings also denotes peace, security, safety and implies submission and surrender to Almighty God. Peace and security are inherent in the submission to the One God. When a person submits to the will of God he or she experiences an innate sense of security and peacefulness.
Not all Muslims represent Islam and not all Muslims understand and follow their religion. Culture often dictates action. Knowing this, it becomes essential to recognize that just because a person, a group or country is known as Islamic, does not mean that it automatically follows the laws sent down by God. The Quran was revealed for all of humankind and Prophet Muhammad was sent as a mercy to all of humankind. One person is not more worthy of peace and security than another is. Each person is entitled to sustenance, shelter, and security and if some are denied their God given rights, it is the responsibility of the rest of humankind, to restore those rights, not blatantly take them away.
In the following articles, we will discuss the role of culture and customs, learn what Islam says about violence and war, and see how ignorance overshadows true Islamic teachings.
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Trying to convince people that Muslims are not terrorists, or that Muslim women are not oppressed, or that not all Muslims represent Islam is becoming increasingly difficult. A Muslim man with a bushy beard is presumed to be planning an attack – on something. If a Muslim woman chooses to dress modestly it is taken for granted that she was forced to wear such clothing. Although one can hardly pick up a newspaper or watch the news without hearing something about Islam or Muslims, it is usually a gross misinterpretation or misrepresentation.
Into this volatile mix comes the Muslim himself or herself, sometimes Muslims are their own worst enemies. They often speak without knowledge or even without weighing up the effect of their words. Sometimes Muslims react without looking at the bigger picture. Often they react to the misconceptions without realising their behaviour sometimes affirms the incorrect notions. At times, sometimes with the greatest of intentions Muslims speak or act in a way that is not befitting or becoming. Not all Muslims represent Islam.
We live in interesting times, and according to an old Chinese proverb or perhaps a western spin-doctor, this is anything but a blessing. Muslims call such a period of time, fitnah (trials and tribulations). Life rushes ahead beckoning us into the unknown but in a strange sort of way it has all been done before. This is not the first time in history that Muslims have suffered from the effects of lies and misrepresentations. However, when the lies and misunderstandings are piled high the truth seekers of this world have a way of finding the gold buried in the dirt. Islam is like that gold, it can lie quietly, and it looses none of its beauty by doing so.
By far the greatest threat to Muslims and the Muslim way of life, now, is the “war on terror” and the subsequent demonising of Muslims. The mainstream media focuses on the bad behaviour of Muslims who more often than not have very little understanding of their religion. The overwhelming majority of the world’s 1.6 billion Muslims condemn acts of terror and the unlawful killing of innocent civilians; so to do the majority of Muslim scholars and leaders, yet unfortunately, the religion of Islam is almost invariably implicated in the thinking and behaviour of criminals.
The wrongdoings of Muslims are often used to justify or encourage hatred of innocent Muslims or the religion of Islam itself. Over and over again, verses from the Quran are taken out of context and the ratings of criminals are attributed to Islamic dogma, when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. To understand Islam’s stance on violence and war one must refer to the original sources, the Quran, and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad. It is not feasible to take one verse from Quran and deduce its meaning without reading preceding and following verses. Fully understanding the depth and subtlety of Quran is only possible when one understands the historical context and reason for revelation, as well as in depth knowledge about the life of Prophet Muhammad.
Therefore, what exactly does Islam say about war and violence?
Islam is a religion revealed by God for the benefit of humankind and it wholeheartedly forbids harming innocent people in any way. This includes their bodies, wealth, or honour. Islam teaches Muslims to treat everybody, no matter their religion ethnicity colour or social status, with respect and kindness. Islam forbids oppression and safeguards rights and it commands the Muslims to live in peace and harmony and uphold justice even towards ones enemies and even in times of war. It is never permissible to kill a person who is not hostile or who has a peace treaty.
“God does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, God loves those who deal with equity.” (Quran 60:8)
When Prophet Muhammad sent his companions into battle he said “Go out in the name of God…. and …Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for God loves those who do good.” “Do not kill the monks in monasteries” or “Do not kill the people who are sitting in places of worship. Once after a battle the Prophet saw the corpse of a woman lying on the ground and said, “She was not fighting. How then was she killed?”
This way of behaving in times of war was further emphasised by Abu Bakr, the leader of the Islamic nation after Prophet Muhammad. He said, “I command you ten things. Do not kill women, children, or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly.”
If an enemy inflicts harm upon the Muslims, or drives them out of their homes and homelands then the Muslims are commanded by God to stand up for them, but even under duress a Muslim must behave justly.
“Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but don’t transgress limits; for God loves not the transgressor.” …”And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.” (Quran 2:190-193)
“O you who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety, and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that you do.” (Quran 5:8)
The message from Quran is clear. The taking of life, any life, unjustifiably, is a grave sin. Both the Quran and the authentic teachings of Prophet Muhammad are imbued with an overwhelming sense of justice and forgiveness. The message of Islam is for all of humankind, and Islam demands mercy and wisdom in all dealings even in times of war. When atrocities that defy belief and defy the teachings of Islam are committed, it is important to remember that not all Muslims represent Islam.
“We ordained …that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.” (Quran 5:32)
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In the previous two articles we discussed the fact that not all Muslims represent the religion of Islam. Our focus was Islam’s attitude towards war, violence and terrorism. We established that Islam is a religion of peace, and that unjustifiable killing or violence is absolutely forbidden. Sadly many Muslims around the world have sullied the name of Islam by committing acts and atrocities that have no place in a religion based on the concepts of justice and mercy. However this is not the only way that Muslims themselves misrepresent Islam.
From the outset it is important to understand the foundation of Islam – God is One. He has no partners no sons, daughters or helpers. He alone created, and sustains the universe. Nothing happens without His permission.
“He is Allah, (the) One. Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks). He begets not, nor was He begotten; And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.” (Quran 112)
“Is there any god with God? High Exalted be God above all that they associate as partners (to Him)!” (Quran 27:63)
Muslims believe this with certainty, there is no god but God, and they believe that the prophets and messengers were sent by God to guide humankind to the truth that God is One. Therefore, in Islam there is no room for intercession of any kind. It is God Alone that Muslims worship and God Alone that they ask for help, in any and all endeavours. This concept is known as tawheed and it forms the basis of the religion of Islam.
Sadly however, when we look at the behaviour of some Muslims we find practices and superstitions that are actually forbidden in Islam. Sincere worship for God Alone has become adulterated by the local customs and traditions, yet many Muslims are unwilling to admit that such corruption exists. The fact is not all Muslims worship in the correct way and not all Muslims are representative of Islam.
One of the gravest sins is calling on somebody or something other than God. This is forbidden in Islam, yet around the world these deeply entrenched cultural practices remain. Muslims who call on the dead to intercede for them do not represent the religion of Islam. Muslims, who believe that righteous people are able to intercede between ordinary people and God, do not represent the religion of Islam. Muslims who wear lucky charms and amulets in the belief that they can somehow ward off evil or bring good, do not represent the religion of Islam. These are direct contradictions to the Oneness of God.
Corruption of worship is evident in the many myths and traditions that surround pregnancy and childbirth. Many traditions involve the use of charms spells and amulets. A Muslim however, knows that everything is from God, and that there is no luck or randomness involved. Strange superstitions can neither bring harm or good. Islam teaches that there is no power or strength except with God, it dispels these myths and superstitions thereby freeing humankind from this type of bondage.
Bearing this in mind let us examine the cultural practices surrounding two fictional women. The women in these anecdotes are entirely fictional but the practices are real and form just a small part of hundreds of traditions and practices used throughout the Muslim world to ward off evil or obtain good.
In a small village outside Mogadishu in Somalia 18 year old Nura has just given birth to her first child. A beautiful healthy boy. Nura and her family believe that the bracelet he wears made from string and herbs will protect him from the evil eye. Most Somali people link their identity with Islam however a large number of pre Islamic practices have survived. There is a strong belief injinn (devil) possession and zar (a cult in which women are willingly possessed) and most Bedouin Somalis routinely wear protective amulets. Prior to Islam the belief system in Somalia was largely animist, it dates back to the Palaeolithic age in which every object, be it animate or inanimate had a soul.
These traditions and practices usually evolve around major life experiences such as birth and death and often involve the use of plants and herbs both for their medicinal properties and the belief that such plants and herbs offer protection from malevolent spirits. Thus a new born baby would be given an amulet to safeguard him from harm. This practice clearly denies the Oneness of God. These are traditions that do not make sense when the true nature of God is revealed through Quran and the authentic traditions of Prophet Muhammad.
Far away in Turkey in the thriving metropolis of Istanbul Ceylan’s mother and aunts are adorning the wall of the room in which she will give birth with strings of onion, garlic and blue beads. They believe that this will protect Ceylan and the newborn baby from the evil eye and evil jinn known in Turkey as the baby snatcher. Amongst the strings of herbs being hung in the birthing room in Turkey you may also find blue beads. These are prevalent in many Muslim communities. People wear amulets, keep them on hand to give to guests, hang them near the doors of their homes or in their cars. The beads are usually made of glass in order to reflect any bad luck or evil and the belief is that like a mirror it draws positive energy away and reflects the bad intentions back. According to this false belief, if the evil is too strong for the blue eye to push away, it breaks and sacrifices itself.
The origin of the blue beads is difficult to trace however it is common in all countries around the Mediterranean Sea including Greece, Cyprus and Egypt. It may even date back as far as the ancient Egyptians. The eye of Horus (ancient Egyptian symbol of protection and power) may be the origin of this widespread belief, and the colour blue has been used since antiquity to denote healing and protection. Islam is clear, healing and protection is from God Alone.
Corrupted worship and superstitious practices are prevalent in Muslim communities throughout the world. You may have noticed some in your own community; however they are not representative of Islam. Islam is the religion of informed knowledge, not blind belief and strange superstitions. The power of God is Omnipotent. When Muslims behave in a manner that seems to encourage superstitions and strange behaviour, they do not represent Islam. The message of Islam is clear. There is no power or strength except with God, and Prophet Muhammad is His final Messenger.
Yaseer,
If Islam is true, then Jesus is a liar. Since you accept Jesus as a prophet, how can you say this? We have the record of the New Testament and all of the writings of the early Church and all of them attest to the fact that the revelation was complete in Him. There was no distortion by the Apostle Paul—the New Testament flows in a seamless whole. This was established at the very beginning. It takes a LOT of arrogance to come along almost 700 years later as Mohammed did and insist that HE had a better revelation. There was no need for a “better” revelation—just better followers. And by your own admission, you show that Muslims are not any better at following. Islam terrorizes its own citizens into obeying—and that is the way of Satan. True Christians obey out of love for their Savior. BTW, contrary to what you have said, Christians far outweigh any other people group in the amount of money given to charity. Who are the first relief groups when a tragedy happens anywhere in the world? Christians. You are following a lie. If you want the Truth, read the New Testament and pray about it. This is all I have to say on the subject.
Ellen,
Islam is true and Jesus is not a liar but Jesus too is a Muslim What we don’t accept is the bible, please proof to me that the bible we have today is from God, I say proof Ellen but I can proof to you that Qur’an Is From God, I show that not All Muslims are Bad in every community there is blacksheep There is 1 .6 Muslims in the world and you are using what very minor Muslims Do to name All Muslims I have bible and I read Bible Impact I use to read Bible every Day.
what about you did you ever read Qur’an If Not Please fine some time and Read
Jesus Christ (pbuh) never claimed Divinity
One may ask, if both Muslims and Christians love and respect Jesus (pbuh), where exactly is the parting of ways? The major difference between Islam and Christianity is the Christians’ insistence on the supposed divinity of Christ (pbuh). A study of the Christian scriptures reveals that Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity. In fact there is not a single unequivocal statement in the entire Bible where Jesus (pbuh) himself says, “I am God” or where he says, “worship me”. In fact the Bible contains statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in which he preached quite the contrary. The following statements in the Bible are attributed to Jesus Christ (pbuh):
(i) “My Father is greater than I.”
[The Bible, John 14:28]
(ii) “My Father is greater than all.”
[The Bible, John 10:29]
(iii) “…I cast out devils by the Spirit of God….”
[The Bible, Mathew 12:28]
(iv) “…I with the finger of God cast out devils….”
[The Bible, Luke 11:20]
(v) “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgement is just; because I seek not my own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”
[The Bible, John 5:30]
The Mission of Jesus Christ (pbuh) – to Fulfill the Law
Jesus (pbuh) never claimed divinity for himself. He clearly announced the nature of his mission. Jesus (pbuh) was sent by God to confirm the previous Judaic law. This is clearly evident in the following statements attributed to Jesus (pbuh) in the Gospel of Mathew:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
“Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
“For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
[The Bible, Mathew 5:17-20]
Consider the following incident mentioned in the Bible:
“And behold, one came and said unto him, ‘Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?’
And he said unto him, ‘Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.’ ”
[The Bible, Mathew 19:16-17]
Jesus (pbuh) did not say that to have the eternal life of paradise, man should believe in him as Almighty God or worship him as God, or believe that Jesus (pbuh) would die for his sins. On the contrary he said that the path to salvation was through keeping the commandments. It is indeed striking to note the difference between the words of Jesus Christ (pbuh) and the Christian dogma of salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus (pbuh).
The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus (pbuh) as to which was the first commandment of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
“Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad.”
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
“Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.”
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh) rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to him, and explained his miracles as the power of the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets of Almighty God.
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.
“Shema Israel Adonai Elihenu Adonai Echad”
The word “echad” is a “compound unity”—such as would be applied to a bunch of grapes—one bunch, several grapes.
Jesus said that He and the Father were one. That is why the Jews picked up stones to stone Him—that “he would make himself equal to Yahweh”. (John 10:30-33)
Jesus pefectly fulfilled the requirements of the Law through the power of the Holy Spirit (Jesus had the “Holy Spirit without measure or limit” —John 3:34 NLT) The NLT gives the best narrative flow of any of the translations. The King James is not the best translation for trying to understand what the Scriptures are actually saying—especially if English is not your native tongue. All of Jesus’ Apostles accepted that He was God in human flesh. Thomas declared, “My Lord and my God.” when he experienced the risen Christ. (John 20:28) What is interesting is that John referred to himself as “the disciple whom Jesus loved”. I believe this was a hidden message that Jesus was/is indeed God because John suspected that there would be many who tried to distort the meaning of the Scriptures. The name John (Jonah) means “Beloved of God.” How much more evidence do you need? There’s lots more. Just accepting that there are three divine persons in the Godhead does not at all take away from the Oneness of God. Jesus said, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.” (John 14:9)
Yaseer,
JESUS IS NOT A MUSLIM! He is the Messiah predicted throughout the entire 4,000 years of Yahweh’s interaction with His people. He came to relieve His people of the burden of sin. All who believe in Him will not perish but receive eternal life. (John 3:16) Mohammed copied the best parts of the Quran FROM the Bible. If I could prove the Bible is the true word of God, it would not require faith. But there is much evidence down through the centuries that it is the true word of God. Jesus Himself is the living Word of God. He is there for those who are called to Him by the Father. I never said that all Muslims are bad people (as the world judges that). I have known delightful Muslim people—some of them have been delighted to come into the warmth and freedom of a life lived for Messiah Jesus. Why would you read from the Bible if you don’t believe it is the true word of God? That makes no sense. Would you read from Hindu scriptures? I certainly wouldn’t. But I do know enough about the Quran to know that some parts are lifted from the Bible. The parts about justice, compassion and mercy were said first in the Bible.
Ellen
This will be OK to proof you wrong That Muhammad Did not copied any thing From Bible this is an answer i post for someone like you on my Facebook group.
He says Is it not true that prophet muhammad (pbuh) has copied the qur’an from the bible?
MY Answer
Many critics allege that prophet muhummad (pbuh) himself was not the author of the qur’an but he learnt it and/or plagiarised (copied or adapted) it from other human sources or from previous scriptures or revelations.
1. Muhummad learnt the qur’an from a roman blacksmith who was a Christian
Some pagans accused the prophet of learning the qur’an from a roman blacksmith, who was a christian staying at the outskirts of makkah. The prophet very often used to go and watch him do his work. A revelation of the qur’an was sufficient to dismiss this charge – the qur’an says in surah an-nahl chapter 16 verse 103:
“we know indeed that they say, ‘it is a man that teaches him,’ the tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is arabic, pure and clear.”
[al-qur’an 16:103]
How could a person whose mother tongue was foreign and could hardly speak little but of poor broken arabic be the source of the qur’an which is pure, eloquent, fine arabic? To believe that the blacksmith taught the prophet the qur’an is some what similar to believing that a chinese immigrant to england, who did not know proper english, taught shakespeare.
2. Muhummad (pbuh) learnt from waraqa – the relative of khadijah (ra)
Muhummad’s (pbuh) contacts with the jewish and christian scholars were very limited. The most prominent christian known to him was an old blind man called waraqa ibn-naufal who was a relative of the prophet’s first wife khadijah (r.a.). Although of arab descent, he was a convert to christianity and was very well versed with the new testament. The prophet only met him twice, first when waraqa was worshipping at the kaaba (before the prophetic mission) and he kissed the prophet’s forehead affectionately; the second occasion was when the prophet went to meet waraqa after receiving the first revelation. Waraqa died three years later and the revelation continued for about 23 years. It is ridiculous to assume that waraqa was the source of the contents of the qur’an.
3. Prophet’s religious discussions with the jews and Christians
It is true that the prophet did have religious discussions with the jews and christians but they took place in madinah more than 13 years after the revelation of the qur’an had started. The allegation that these jews and christians were the source is perverse, since in these discussions prophet muhammad (pbuh) was performing the roles of a teacher and of a preacher while inviting them to embrace islam and pointing out that they had deviated from their true teachings of monotheism. Several of these jews and christians later embraced islam.
4. The prophet learnt the qur’an from those jews and christians that he met outside Arabia
All historical records available show that muhummad (pbuh) had made only three trips outside makkah before his prophethood:
At the age of 9 he accompanied his mother to madinah.
Between the age of 9 and 12, he accompanied his uncle abu-talib on a business trip to syria.
At the age of 25 he led khadija’s caravan to syria.
It is highly imaginary to assume that the qur’an resulted from the occasional chats and meetings with the christians or jews from any of the above three trips.
5. Logical grounds to prove that the prophet did not learn the qur’an from jews or hristians
The day-to-day life of the prophet was an open book for all to see. In fact a revelation came asking people to give the prophet (pbuh) privacy in his own home. If the prophet had been meeting people who told him what to say as a revelation from god, this would not have been hidden for very long.
The extremely prominent quraish nobles who followed the prophet and accepted islam were wise and intelligent men who would have easily noticed anything suspicious about the way in which the prophet brought the revelations to them – more so since the prophetic mission lasted 23 years.
The enemies of the prophet kept a close watch on him in order to find proof for their claim that he was a liar – they could not point out even a single instance when the prophet may have had a secret rendezvous with particular jews and christians.
It is inconceivable that any human author of the qur’an would have accepted a situation in which he received no credit whatsoever for originating the qur’an.
Thus, historically and logically it cannot be established that there was a human source for the qur’an.
6. Muhummad (pbuh) was an illiterate
The theory that muhummad (pbuh) authored the qur’an or copied from other sources can be disproved by the single historical fact that he was illiterate.
Allah testifies himself in the qur’an
in surah al-ankabut chapter no.29 verse 48
“and thou was not (able) to recite a book before this (book came), nor art thou (able) to transcribe it with thy right hand: in that case, indeed, would the talkers of vanities have doubted.”
[al-qur’an 29:48]
Allah (swt) knew that many would doubt the authenticity of the qur’an and would ascribe it to prophet muhummad (pbuh). Therefore allah in his divine wisdom chose the last and final messenger to be an ‘ummi’, i.e. Unlettered, so that the talkers of vanity would not then have the slightest justification to doubt the prophet. The accusation of his enemies that he had copied the qur’an from other sources and rehashed it all in a beautiful language might have carried some weight, but even this flimsy pretence has been deprived to the unbeliever and the cynic.
Allah reconfirms in the qur’an in surah al a’raf chapter 7 verse 157:
“those who follow the messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the gospel”
The prophecy of coming of the unlettered prophet (pbuh) is also mentioned in the bible in the book of isaiah chapter 29 verse 12.
“and the book is delivered to him that is not learned.”
[isaiah 29:12]
The qur’an testifies in no less than four different places that the prophet (pbuh) was illiterate. It is also mentioned in surah a’raf chapter 7 verse 158 and in surah al-jumu’a chapter 62 verse 2.
7. Arabic version of the bible was not presen
The arabic version of the bible was not present at the time of prophet muhummad (pbuh). The earliest arabic version of the old testament is that of r. Saadias gaon of 900 c.e. – more than 250 years after the death of our beloved prophet. The oldest arabic version of the new testament was published by erpenius in 1616 c.e. – about a thousand years after the demise of our prophet.
8. Similarities in the qur’an and the bible due to common source
Similarities between the qur’an and the bible does not necessarily mean that the former has been copied from the latter. In fact it gives evidence that both of them are based on a common third source; all divine revelations came from the same source – the one universal god. No matter what human changes were introduced into some of these judeo-christian and other older religious scriptures that had distorted their originality, there are some areas that have remained free from distortion and thus are common to many religions.
It is true that there are some similar parallels between the qur’an and the bible but this is not sufficient to accuse muhummad (pbuh) of compiling or copying from the bible. The same logic would then also be applicable to teachings of christianity and judaism and thus one could wrongly claim that jesus (pbuh) was not a genuine prophet (god forbid) and that he simply copied from the old testament.
The similarities between the two signify a common source that is one true god and the continuation of the basic message of monotheism and not that the later prophets have plagiarised from the previous prophets.
If someone copies during an examination he will surely not write in the answer sheet that he has copied from his neighbour or mr. Xyz. Prophet muhummad (pbuh) gave due respect and credit to all the previous prophets (pbut). The qur’an also mentions the various revelations given by almighty god to different prophets.
9. Muslims believe in the taurah, zaboor, injeel and qur’an
Four revelations of allah (swt) are mentioned by name in the qur’an: the taurah, the zaboor, the injeel and the qur’an.
Taurah, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to moosa (a. S.) I.e. Moses (pbuh).
Zaboor, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to dawood (a.s.) I.e. David (pbuh).
Injeel, the revelation i.e. The wahi given to isa (a.s.) ie. Jesus (pbuh).
‘al-qur’an’, the last and final wahi i.e. Revelation given to the last and final messenger muhammad (pbuh).
It is an article of faith for every muslim to believe in all the prophets of god and all revelations of god. However, the present day bible has the first five books of the old testament attributed to moses and the psalms attributed to david. Moreover the new testament or the four gospels of the new testament are not the taurah, the zaboor or the injeel, which the qur’an refers to. These books of the present day bible may partly contain the word of god but these books are certainly not the exact, accurate and complete revelations given to the prophets.
The qur’an presents all the different prophets of allah as belonging to one single brotherhood; all had a similar prophetic mission and the same basic message. Because of this, the fundamental teachings of the major faiths cannot be contradictory, even if there has been a considerable passage of time between the different prophetic missions, because the source of these missions was one: almighty god, allah. This is why the qur’an says that the differences which exist between various religions are not the responsibility of the prophets, but of the followers of these prophets who forgot part of what they had been taught, and furthermore, misinterpreted and changed the scriptures. The qur’an cannot therefore be seen as a scripture which competes with the teachings of moses, jesus and the other prophets. On the contrary, it confirms, completes and perfects the messages that they brought to their people.
Another name for the qur’an is the ‘the furqan’ which means the criteria to judge the right from the wrong, and it is on the basis of the qur’an that we can decipher which part of the previous scriptures can be considered to be the word of god.
10. Scientific comparison between qur’an and bible
If you glance through the bible and the qur’an you may find several points which appear to be exactly the same in both of them, but when you analyse them closely, you realise that there is a difference of ‘chalk and cheese’ between them. Only based on historical details it is difficult for someone who is neither conversant with christianity or islam to come to a firm decision as to which of the scriptures is true; however if you verify the relevant passages of both the scriptures against scientific knowledge, you will yourself realize the truth.
Creation of the universe in six days
as per the bible, in the first book of genesis in chapter one, the universe was created in six days and each day is defined as a twenty-four hours period. Even though the qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘ayyaams’, ‘ayyaam’ is the plural of years; this word has two meanings: firstly, it means a standard twenty-four hours period i.e. A day, and secondly, it also means stage, period or epoch which is a very long period of time.
When the qur’an mentions that the universe was created in six ‘ayyaams’, it refers to the creation of the heavens and the earth in six long periods or epochs; scientists have no objection to this statement. The creation of the universe has taken billions of years, which proves false or contradicts the concept of the bible which states that the creation of the universe took six days of twenty-four hour durations each.
Sun created after the day
the bible says in chapter 1, verses 3-5, of genesis that the phenomenon of day and night was created on the first day of creation of the universe by god. The light circulating in the universe is the result of a complex reaction in the stars; these stars were created according to the bible (genesis chapter 1 verse 14 to 19) on the fourth day. It is illogical to mention the result that is the light (the phenomenon of day and night) was created on the first day of creation when the cause or source of the light was created three days later. Moreover the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation around the sun. In contrast with the contents of the bible on this issue, the qur’an does not give any unscientific sequence of creation. Hence it is absolutely absurd to say that prophet muhummad (pbuh) copied the passages pertaining to the creation of the universe from the bible but missed out this illogical and fantastic sequence of the bible.
Creation of the sun, the earth and the moon
according to the bible, book of genesis, chapter 1, verses 9 to 13, the earth was created on the third day, and as per verses 14 to 19, the sun and the moon were created on the fourth day. The earth and the moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the sun. Hence to place the creation of the sun and the moon after the creation of the earth is contrary to the established idea about the formation of the solar system.
Vegetation created on the third day and sun on the fourth day
according to the bible, book of genesis, chapter 1, verses 11-13, vegetation was created on the third day along with seed-bearing grasses, plants and trees; and further on as per verses 14-19, the sun was created on the fourth day. How is it scientifically possible for the vegetation to have appeared without the presence of the sun, as has been stated in the bible?
If prophet muhummad (pbuh) was indeed the author of the qur’an and had copied its contents from the bible, how did he manage to avoid the factual errors that the bible contains? The qur’an does not contain any statements which are incompatible with scientific facts.
The sun and the moon both emit light
according to the bible both the sun and the moon emit their own light. In the book of genesis, chapter 1, verse 16 says, “and god made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night”.
Science tells us today that the moon does not have its own light. This confirms the qur’anic concept that the light of the moon is a reflected light. To think that 1400 years ago, prophet muhummad (pbuh) corrected these scientific errors in the bible and then copied such corrected passages in the qur’an is to think of something impossible.
11. Adam (pbuh), the first man on earth, lived 5,800 years ago
As per the genealogy of jesus christ given in the bible, from jesus through abraham (pbuh) to the first man on earth i.e. Adam (pbuh), adam appeared on the earth approximately 5800 years ago:
1948 years between adam (pbuh) and abraham (pbuh)
Approximately 1800 years between abraham (pbuh) and jesus (pbuh)
2000 years from jesus (pbuh) till today
These figures are further confused by the fact that the jewish calendar is currently on or about 5800 years old.
There is sufficient evidence from archaeological and anthropological sources to suggest that the first human being on earth was present tens of thousands of years ago and not merely 5,800 years ago as is suggested by the bible.
The qur’an too speaks about adam (pbuh) as the first man on earth but it does not suggest any date or period of his life on earth, unlike the bible – what the bible says in this regard is totally incompatible with science.
12. Noah (pbuh) and the flood
The biblical description of the flood in genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of abraham, at a time when noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd century b.c.
This story of the flood, as given in the bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in egypt and the third dynasty in babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century b.c. this contradicts the biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water. In contrast to this, the qur’anic presentation of the story of noah and the flood does not conflict with scientific evidence or archaeological data; firstly, the qur’an does not indicate any specific date or year of the occurance of that event, and secondly, according to the qur’an the flood was not a universal phenomenon which destroyed complete life on earth. In fact the qur’an specifically mentions that the flood was a localised event only involving the people of noah.
It is illogical to assume that prophet muhummad (pbuh) had borrowed the story of the flood from the bible and corrected the mistakes before mentioning it in the qur’an.
13. Moses (pbuh) and pharaoh of the exodu
The story of moses (pbuh) and the pharaoh of the exodus are very much identical in the qur’an and the bible. Both scriptures agree that the pharaoh drowned when he tried to pursue moses (pbuh) and led the israelites across a stretch of water that they crossed. The qur’an gives an additional piece of information in surah yunus chapter 10 verse 92:
“this day shall we save thee in thy body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee! But verily, many among mankind are heedless of our signs!”
[al-qur’an 10:92]
Dr. Maurice bucaille, after a thorough research proved that although rameses ii was known to have persecuted the israelites as per the bible, he actually died while moses (pbuh) was taking refuge in median. Rameses ii’s son merneptah who succeeded him as pharaoh drowned during the exodus. In 1898, the mummified body of merneptah was found in the valley of kings in egypt. In 1975, dr. Maurice bucaille with other doctors received permission to examine the mummy of merneptah, the findings of which proved that merneptah probably died from drowning or a violent shock which immediately preceeded the moment of drowning. Thus the qur’anic verse that we shall save his body as a sign, has been fulfilled by the pharaohs’ body being kept at the royal mummies room in the egyptian museum in cairo.
This verse of the qur’an compelled dr. Maurice bucaille, who was a christian then, to study the qur’an. He later wrote a book ‘the bible, the qur’an and science’, and confessed that the author of the qur’an can be no one else besides god himself. Thus he embraced islam.
14. Qur’an is a book from allah
These evidences are sufficient to conclude that the qur’an was not copied from the bible, but that the qur’an is the furqaan – ‘the criteria’ to judge right from wrong and it should be used to decipher which portion of the bible may be considered as the word of god.
The qur’an itself testifies in surah sajda chapter 32 verse 1 to 3
Alif laam meem.
(this is) the revelation of the book in which there is no doubt – from the lord of the worlds.
Or do they say, ‘he has forged it’? Nay, it is the truth from thy lord, that thou mayest admonish a people to whom no warner has come before thee: in order that they may receive guidance.”
[al-qur’an 32:1-3]
Bible say
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Matthew chapter 10:5–6
But then in Matthew 28, He gave the Great Comission to go to all the world making disciples from ALL the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He said that we should teach them to obey all the commands He had given them.
The New Testament
Both read the Bible day and night,
But thou read’st black where I read white.
�William Blake, The Everlasting
Gospel
Of course, Blake’s sentiment in the quote above is nothing new. The New Testament contains enough inconsistencies to have spawned a dizzying variety of interpretations, beliefs and religions, all allegedly Bible-based. And so, we find one author offering the amusing observation:
You can and you can’t,
You shall and you shan’t,
You will and you won’t,
And you will be damned if you do,
And you will be damned if you don’t.
Why such variance in viewpoints? To begin with, different theological camps disagree on which books should be included in the Bible. One camp’s apocrypha is another’s scripture. Secondly, even among those books that havebeen canonized, the many variant source texts lack uniformity. This lack of uniformity is so ubiquitous that The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Biblestates, “It is safe to say that there is not one sentence in the NT in which the MS [manuscript] tradition is wholly uniform.”
Not one sentence? We can’t trust a single sentence of the Bible? Hard to believe.
Maybe
The fact is that there are over 5700 Greek manuscripts of all or part of the New Testament. Furthermore, “no two of these manuscripts are exactly alike in all their particulars…. And some of these differences are significant.” Factor in roughly ten thousand manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate, add the many other ancient variants (i.e., Syriac, Coptic, Armenian, Georgian, Ethiopic, Nubian, Gothic, Slavonic), and what do we have?
A lot of manuscripts
A lot of manuscripts that fail to correspond in places and not infrequently contradict one another. Scholars estimate the number of manuscript variants in the hundreds of thousands, some estimating as high as 400,000. In Bart D. Ehrman’s now famous words, “Possibly it is easiest to put the matter in comparative terms: there are more differences in our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.”
How did this happen?
Poor record keeping. Dishonesty. Incompetence. Doctrinal prejudice. Take your pick.
None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period. The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.
No wonder they differ
In the best of hands, copying errors would be no surprise. However, New Testament manuscripts were not in the best of hands. During the period of Christian origins, scribes were untrained, unreliable, incompetent, and in some cases illiterate. Those who were visually impaired could have made errors with look-alike letters and words, while those who were hearing-impaired may have erred in recording scripture as it was read aloud. Frequently scribes were overworked, and hence inclined to the errors that accompany fatigue.
In the words of Metzger and Ehrman, “Since most, if not all, of them [the scribes] would have been amateurs in the art of copying, a relatively large number of mistakes no doubt crept into their texts as they reproduced them.” Worse yet, some scribes allowed doctrinal prejudice to influence their transmission of scripture. As Ehrman states, “The scribes who copied the texts changed them.” More specifically, “The number of deliberate alterations made in the interest of doctrine is difficult to assess.” And even more specifically, “In the technical parlance of textual criticism�which I retain for its significant ironies�these scribes ‘corrupted’ their texts for theological reasons.”
Errors were introduced in the form of additions, deletions, substitutions and modifications, most commonly of words or lines, but occasionally of entire verses. In fact, “numerous changes and accretions came into the text,” with the result that “all known witnesses of the New Testament are to a greater or lesser extent mixed texts, and even several of the earliest manuscripts are not free from egregious errors.”
In Misquoting Jesus, Ehrman presents persuasive evidence that the story of the woman taken in adultery (John 7:53-8:12) and the last twelve verses of Mark were not in the original gospels, but added by later scribes.Furthermore, these examples “represent just two out of thousands of places in which the manuscripts of the New Testament came to be changed by scribes.”
In fact, entire books of the Bible were forged. This doesn’t mean their content is necessarily wrong, but it certainly doesn’t mean it’s right. So which books were forged? Ephesians, Colossians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, and Jude�a whopping nine of the twenty-seven New Testament books and epistles�are to one degree or another suspect.
Forged books? In the Bible?
Why are we not surprised? After all, even the gospel authors are unknown. In fact, they’re anonymous. Biblical scholars rarely, if ever, ascribe gospel authorship to Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. As Ehrman tells us, “Most scholars today have abandoned these identifications, and recognize that the books were written by otherwise unknown but relatively well-educated Greek-speaking (and writing) Christians during the second half of the first century.” Graham Stanton affirms, “The gospels, unlike most Graeco-Roman writings, are anonymous. The familiar headings which give the name of an author (‘The Gospel according to …’) were not part of the original manuscripts, for they were added only early in the second century.”
So what, if anything, did Jesus’ disciples have to do with authoring the gospels? Little or nothing, so far as we know. But we have no reason to believe they authored any of the books of the Bible. To begin with, let us remember Mark was a secretary to Peter, and Luke a companion to Paul. The verses of Luke 6:14-16 and Matthew 10:2-4 catalogue the twelve disciples, and although these lists differ over two names, Mark and Luke don’t makeeither list. So only Matthew and John were true disciples. But all the same, modern scholars pretty much disqualify them as authors anyway.
Why?
Good question. John being the more famous of the two, why should we disqualify him from having authored the Gospel of “John”?
Umm … because he was dead?
Multiple sources acknowledge there is no evidence, other than questionable testimonies of second century authors, to suggest that the disciple John was the author of the Gospel of “John.”Perhaps the most convincing refutation is that the disciple John is believed to have died in or around 98 CE. However, the Gospel of John was written circa 110 CE. So whoever Luke (Paul’s companion), Mark (Peter’s secretary), and John (the unknown, but certainly not the long-dead one) were, we have no reason to believe any of the gospels were authored by Jesus’ disciples. . . .
These so-called “scholars” are enemies of the Truth. They all have their own reasons for wanting to undermine the truth. Most of it has to do with their own sins. Bart Ehrman had his own problems with adultery. Elaine Pagels who presents herself as a “scholar” is anything but a scholar. I read
something that she wrote recently and most of it was half-truths and sometimes she resorted to outright lies. The traditional date for the authorship of the Gospel of John was 90 A.D. NOT 110 A.D. as your article suggests. This was attested to by Polycarp who was a disciple of the Apostle John. It was also attested to by Irenaeus who knew John and Polycarp personally.
What right do these “scholars” have to come along almost twenty centuries later, saying ANYTHING about events of those days. They are liars and/or horribly deceived. Ask yourself, could anyone in a Muslim country get away with critcizing Mohammed or the Quran in this way. Think about it.
Footnotes Of what I post On The New Testament:
Dow, Lorenzo. Reflections on the Love of God.
Buttrick, George Arthur (Ed.). 1962 (1996 Print). The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible. Volume 4. Nashville: Abingdon Press. pp. 594-595 (Under Text, NT).
Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus. P. 88.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 78.
Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus. P. 89.
Ehrman, Bart D. The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings. P. 12.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 49.
Metzger, Bruce M. A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. Introduction, p. 1.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities and Misquoting Jesus.
Metzger, Bruce M. and Ehrman, Bart D. The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. P. 275.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. Pp. 49, 217, 219-220.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 219.
Metzger, Bruce M. and Ehrman, Bart D. The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. P. 265. See also Ehrman, Orthodox Corruption of Scripture.
Ehrman, Bart D. 1993. The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture. Oxford University Press. P. xii.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 220.
Metzger, Bruce M. A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. Introduction, p. 3
Metzger, Bruce M. A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament. Introduction, p. 10.
Metzger, Bruce M. and Ehrman, Bart D. The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. P. 343.
Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus. Pp. 62-69.
Ehrman, Bart D. Misquoting Jesus. P. 68.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. Pp. 9-11, 30, 235-6.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 235.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 3, 235. Also, see Ehrman, Bart D. The New Testament: A Historical Introduction to the Early Christian Writings. P. 49.
Ehrman, Bart D. Lost Christianities. P. 235.
Stanton, Graham N. p. 19.
Kee, Howard Clark (Notes and References by). 1993. The Cambridge Annotated Study Bible, New Revised Standard Version. Cambridge University Press. Introduction to gospel of ‘John.’
Butler, Trent C. (General Editor). Holman Bible Dictionary. Nashville: Holman Bible Publishers. Under ‘John, the Gospel of’
Easton, M. G., M.A., D.D. Easton’s Bible Dictionary. Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers. Under ‘John the Apostle.’
Goodspeed, Edgar J. 1946. How to Read the Bible. The John C. Winston Company. p. 227.
Dear Yaseer
Shalom, and love in Jesus the Messiah.
I fully understand that Muslims at large, can not see that the Catholic faith is not Christianity. The Roman Catholics defame Jesus of the Bible, and makes a mockery of the gospel.
The truth about Jesus, is very simple. He is God the Son, who died for the sins of the World. The Hebrew Bible explains, that without the offering of blood there is no forgiveness for sins. If you believe that Jesus is God and is risen from the dead, you shall be saved. Amen.
The Bible stands whether the enemies of the Truth that it contains want it to or not. Just so you know, Yaseer, those so-called “errors” that textual scholars love to go on about are tiny, tiny variances. Any book that old iand has gone through so many
hand-copied iterations is bound to have some error creep in. The Quran would be subjec to the same sort of thing but it came along later and once the printing press standardized published texts, they were much less open to human error. But, the discovery of the Codex Sinaiticus (in 1844) from the 4th century is nearly word-for-word identical to the Bibles we use today. You can go on the Codex Sinaiticus website and read it for yourself. It is a specious argument that says we don’t have the words of Jesus and that the Bible has had major alterations. Those who say that are liars who have their own reasons for trying to undermine its veracity. God can and does protect the Truth against all who would attack it.
p.s. That is why evangelicals wil often say that the Bible is “inerrant in its original writings”. It is infallible in what it teaches and its integrity has been protected through the 2,000 year history of the Church. Everything needed for faith and the practice of it is there for all to see. Nothing is secret or hidden but it can only be fully grasped by those who are under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Its depths cannot be exhausted and a life time of study will not be enough to explore its beauty and the agape love of God that it reveals.
SON OF WHO?
Does the belief in Jesus (peace be upon him) as a ‘son of God’ really make sense?
What exactly does ‘son of God’ mean?
Can true salvation from God, be the punishment of someone else who is innocent from any of these crimes, to be punished as though he were guilty?
Does God need someone to suffer severe punishment, even though they are trying, day after day.
Did Jesus (peace be upon him) tell the people to take him as a god, or to worship him?
Let us find the answer to these and other important questions about the nature of Jesus of Christianity and Islam.
“Look to the Books”
To begin, let us do a sample comparison of the teachings of the Holy Books of Almighty God.
QURAN OF ISLAM
“Say: Oh my servants who have transgressed against their souls! Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: for Allah forgives all sins, for he is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Noble Quran 39:53]
“If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah’s forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Noble Quran 4:110]
“O you people! Adore your Guardian lord, who created you and those who came before you that you may become righteous.” [Noble Quran 2:21]
“You will not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred. For such He has written faith in their hearts and strengthened them with a spirit from Himself. And He will admit them to Gardens beneath which rivers flow, to well therein (forever). Allah will be well pleased with them, and they with Him. They are the Party of Allah. Truly it is the Party of Allah that will achieve Felicity.” [Noble Quran 58:22]
New Testament of BIBLE
“Why do you call me good? answered Jesus, No-one is good but God alone!” [Mark 10:18]
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them, but rather to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until Heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of the pen; will by any means disappear from the Law until all things are accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But whoever keeps the commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.” [Matthew 5:17-19]
“Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the Will of the Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to me on the day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” [Matthew 7:21-23]
Some leaders claimed, “This probably refers to the Mormons or somebody else. Don’t worry about it.”
“Gabriel says Jesus will be “called the son of God” and he would be “given the Throne of David” to “rule the House of Jacob forever.”” [Luke 1:35]
“Enos was the son of Seth, and Seth was the son of Adam, and Adam was the son of God.” [Luke 3:38]
Note: Adam, not Jesus, is listed in this genealogy of Jesus as the son of God, not Jesus.
Later on, the priests are asking Jesus (peace be upon him) if he claims to be the son of God. He tells them in fact, it is they who are making this claim.
“You say that I am.”
Gospel of John contains the greatest number of references to “son of God”
Jesus, speaking in the third person talked about the “Son of God” in [John 3:17 – John 5:24 – John 11:4 – John 11:27]
Martha, one of the followers, calls Jesus, peace be upon him, “The Messiah, the Son of God”
“The Messiah, the Son of God.” [John 20:31]
But no verse makes the exact statement “Jesus is the Son of God and as such he is divine or God.”
QURAN
“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.” [Noble Quran 4:171]
Notice in the Bible, the frequent link between the position of Jesus, peace be upon him, as the Messiah and the ‘son-ship.’
The term ‘son of god’ can not, in itself, be considered enough to declare anything unique about Jesus, peace be upon him, as this term is used for many people throughout the Old and the New Testament.
See above: [Luke 3:38]
Also, in [Isaiah 63:8] refers to the entire house of Israel as being, ‘Sons of God’.
Paul tells us about those who are led by the spirit:
“because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.” [Romans 8:14]
The word “Messiah” is one that more particularly seems to represent the station of the person predicted to appear and lead the people to the victory over this world.
Oxford Companion of the Bible states Jews prior to Jesus (peace be upon him) hoped for a prophesied ruler, reigning with everlasting justice, peace and security for the “Sons of Israel.”
BIBLE
“A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit. The spirit of the Lord will be on him – the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of Knowledge and of the fear of the Lord – and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.” [Isaiah 11:1-2]
“The days are coming, declares the Lord, When I will fulfill the gracious promise I made to the house of Israel and to the house of Judah. In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David’s line; he will do what is just and right in the land. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The Lord Our Righteousness. For this is what the Lord says: David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel, nor will the priests, who are Levites, ever fail to have a man to stand before me continually to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offering and to present sacrifices.” [Jeremiah 33:14-18]
“My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. The will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. I will make a covenant of peace with them, it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. Then the nations will know that I the Lord make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.” [Ezekiel 37:24-28]
“The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the rules staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.” [Genesis 49:10]
“I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth. Edom will be conquered; Seir, his enemy, will conquer, but Israel will grow strong. A ruler will come out of Jacob and destroy the survivors of the city.” [Numbers 24:17-19]
God Incarnate? NOT HERE
BIBLE
Nathan the prophet (son of Solomon) said:
“The Lord declares to you that the Lord Himself will establish a house for you: When your days are over and you rest with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, who will come from your own body, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for my Name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. I will be his father and he will be my son.”
(New Testament book of Hebrews stops here)
Samuel continues:
“When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. But my love will never be taken away from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you.” [2 Samuel 7:12-15]
“You are my Son; today I have begotten you.” [Hebrews 1:5]
Does this support the case the doctrine that Jesus, peace be upon him, is the “begotten Son of God?”
Old Testament BIBLE
David is stating what God has proclaimed regarding David’s relationship to God
“I will proclaim the decree of the Lord: he said to me, you are my Son; this day have I begotten you.” [Psalms 2:7]
Note: The New International Version says the verse could be translated either as “become your Father” or as “begotten you” into English or Greek.
New Testament BIBLE
“He will be called the Son of God.” [Luke 1:35]
Note: This does not state he “is” the son, but rather, he will be “called” the son of God.
Or was he the “one anointed to preach Good News to the poor.” prophesied by Isaiah, and the Messiah proclaimed by Gabriel, the followers of Jesus, peace be upon him, Jesus, himself and the remained of the New Testament, he evidently would not be God.
New Testament BIBLE
“I tell you the truth”, Jesus answered, “before Abraham was, I am!” [John 8:58]
“I am” is the term used to identify God to Moses, peace be upon him.
New Testament BIBLE
“For God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son, that whoever believed in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” [John 3:16]
This does not actually define Jesus, peace be upon him, as God, or as the Messiah or as a Prophet.
Note: This verse was actually modified by Jerome in the 4th century.
ARIUS (Early history of the Church) a popular leader from Alexandria, Egypt.
He argued, Jesus (peace be upon him) was created and not ‘begotten.’
He was charged with heresy and his followers were horribly oppressed by the Church.
After the matter was ‘decided’ and ‘confirmed’ by the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. and in an effort to consolidate both beliefs, Jerome altered the original version of the Gospel of John 3:16 by changing the word ‘monogenes’ (unique) and substituted the word ‘ingenious’ meaning ‘only begotten.’
What other ‘interpretations’ did the early Church Fathers invent to satisfy their claims of the divinity of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Good question.
New Testament BIBLE
“But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles that you may learn and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” [John 10:38]
“Don’t you know that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me? The words that I say to you are not my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me who is doing this work.” [John 14:10]
But further reading in the very same chapter:
“On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.” [John 14:20]
So how does he live in his disciples and how do they live in him? And if so, are they also, sons of God or Gods?
Another good question.
“But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in Him. Whoever claims to live in Him must walk as Jesus did.” [1st John 2:5-6]
(This is an epistle [letter] written by another ‘John,’ not John the Gospel er nor John the Baptist)
Note: This indicates, living ‘in God’ means, ‘Obeying God’ commandments and following the Way of Jesus, peace be upon him.
Twice in the New Testament, Jesus (peace be upon him) tells his followers how to pray saying, “When you pray, say this…”
And the words are very clear, God’s Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
BIBLE
“I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one; I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.”
[John 17:22-23]
The word used throughout chapter 10 and 17, for unity or one was the same, ‘heis’ meaning the number one. There is another word ‘hen’ which means a unity of essence. However, ‘hen’ is nowhere to be found in these chapters.
Note: Conclusion is this is a prayer from Jesus, peace be upon him, to God that all of his followers would have the same relationship that he (Jesus) had.
Understanding the word ‘one’ meanings understanding the way in which it is being used. For example a man and a woman become ‘one’ when they marry; someone might say, ‘One hopes for success’ or ‘We are one in agreement.’
Jesus, peace be upon him, is supposed to have said,
“If you have seen me, you have seen the Father.”
In the very part of the Bible we find the verse wherein Jesus (peace be upon him) tells his followers, if they accepted a little child, then they also accepted Jesus, peace be upon him. Naturally, he did not mean the child was God or that he was a child.
Christians are taught early in life, by doing good deeds and service for others, they are in fact allowing others to see Jesus in them.
Why do we hold so tight to doctrines, even after realizing the incorrectness and false teachings?
Yet another good question
The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus, peace be upon him, is a man, born of a woman without any father, strengthened by a Spirit from God (Gabriel), sent by God to teach the Children of Israel the true meaning of belief and proper actions (following the commandments) that God would accept from them and as such, their ‘road to salvation.’
One more time:
BIBLE
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God at the beginning.” [John 1:1]
Jesus (peace be upon him) was the very “Word of God”.
QURAN
“O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah anything but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) A Messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him; so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not ‘trinity’: desist.” [Noble Quran 4:171]
It is difficult for us to admit that we have been deceived for so many years by some many people, some of them very near and dear to us. The truth is, ‘Someone has been lying to us’ – on purpose.
It is also difficult to consider the consequences of loosing faith in the doctrine of the Church, out of fear of loosing faith in God altogether.
But there is wonderful hope, Grace, Mercy and Salvation for those who come to the correct belief and obey the commandments.
Wisdom or Word?
Oxford Companion to the Bible
The words “wisdom” and ‘word’ were synonymous (exactly the same words) in Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.
Old Testament BIBLE
“The lord brought me forth at the beginning of his work before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth, before he made the earth or its fields or any of the dust of the world. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep, when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep, when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth. Then I was the craftsman at his side.” [Proverbs 8:22-30]
“By Wisdom the Lord laid the earth’s foundations, by understanding he set the heavens in place; by his knowledge the deeps were divided, and the clouds let drop the dew.” [Proverbs 3:19]
APOCRYPHA (hidden books of the Bible)
Wisdom I and Wisdom II
Sirach (also called: “Ecclesiasticus”) written by Jesus ben Sira, a devout Jew of Jerusalem, 200 years before Christ.
These texts were a part of the Bible until the time of the Calvinists and the Protestant Reformation (hence the word – protest).
Scrolls found at Wadi Qumran and Masada confirm these were always a part of the ancient version of the Bible, but obviously not something Protestants wanted anything to do with.
Wisdom states:
“Wisdom praises herself, and tells of her glory in the midst of her people. In the assembly of the Most High she opens her mouth, and in the presence of his hosts she tells of her glory: ‘I came forth from the mouth of the Most High and covered the earth like a mist. I dwelt in the highest heavens, and my throne was in a pillar of a cloud. Alone I compassed the vault of heaven and traversed the depths of the abyss. Over waves of the sea, over all the earth, and over every people and nation I have held sway. Among all these I sought a resting place; in whose territory should I abide? Then the Creator of all things gave me a command, and my Creator chose the place for my tent. He said, ‘Make your dwelling in Jacob, and in Israel, receive your inheritance.’ Before the ages, in the beginning he created me, and for all the ages I shall not cease to be. In the holy tent I ministered before him, and so I was established in Zion. Thus in the beloved city he gave me a resting place, and in Jerusalem was my domain. I took root in an honored people, in the portion of the Lord his heritage.” [Sirach 24:1-12]
“For she is a breath of the power of God, and a pure emanation of the glory of the Almighty; therefore nothing evil gains entrance into her. For she is a reflection of eternal light, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of His goodness. Although she is but one, she can do all things, and while remaining in herself, she renews all things; in every generation she passes into holy souls and makes them friends of God, and prophets.” [Wisdom of Solomon 7:25-27]
Did the beginning of the Gospel of John indicate John believed the Spirit was sent by God to Jesus (peace be upon him) that it was the Spirit of Wisdom, Spirit of Prophecy, sent to all the prophets, with the same commandments and wisdom?
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be with God since creation? Or perhaps the Spirit was the ‘Word of God’ that was uttered or breathed by God in the Beginning and then continued along with God in the rest of Creation?
BIBLE APOCRAPHA
“For wisdom, the Fashioner of all things, taught me.”
[Wisdom of Solomon 7:22]
Could the Spirit of Wisdom be the Holy Spirit that spoke to Mary about having her baby? And the same Holy Spirit that descending upon him at this baptism?
BIBLE
“Then John gave this testimony: ‘I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit’” [John 1:32]
All of this confirms without doubt the writers of the Old Testament and the New Testament were definitely on the lookout for a “Messiah” or “chosen leader of the way to salvation in this life and the next life.”
The word in Hebrew for the ‘chosen one’ or ‘anointed one’ or ‘appointed one’ is ‘Messiah.’
The word in Koine Greek for ‘Messiah’ is ‘Christos’ (became ‘Christ’).
The word in Arabic for it is “Massih”
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, ask people to pray to him, or to pray with him, to the God who sent him?
Did Jesus, peace be upon him, claim to be God?
Can the term “son of God” in English really present the meaning intended by the writers of the Bible?
Now let us compare with compassion and wisdom in our hearts. Which of the two concepts make the most sense between Islam and Christianity when it comes to the subject of Jesus, peace be upon him?
Let us compare the two and see what our wisdom and common sense tell us:
According to the teachings of Islam in the Quran and the words of the last prophet, Muhammad, peace be upon him, Jesus, the son of Mary, was predicted, he came to earth as a baby with a mother but no father, he did amazing miracles by the permission of Allah, including even bringing a dead man back to life; he did demonstrate for his followers the very best of behavior and obedience to the commandments of God. And according to the Bible he personally prayed and ask God Almighty to save him from the fate of going to the cross.
The Bible indicates Jesus prayers at Gethsemane went unanswered, even though he stayed up through the night crying and asking God, “Let this cup pass from me, even so, Your will be done.”
Yet, according to Quran, Almighty God did answer his prayers. He did not go to the cross, but rather the likeness of him was put on another person who did go to the cross and Almighty God, caused Jesus, peace be upon him, to be saved, protected and he is with God and will return in the Last Days to lead the true believers to victory over the evil ones.
Some have even speculated the one on the cross was the very one (Judas Thomas Iscariot) who sold out Jesus and his followers for thirty pieces of sliver.
Yaseer! You were told by Ivar to keep your posts short. No one is going to wade through your impossibly long posts. I did happen to catch the last couple of paragraphs of some semi-gnostic drivel though. Some of the stuff you post was dreamed up by gnostics a long time ago. Islam was heavily influenced by gnosticism—did you know that?
Dear Ellen.
Shalom.
Thanks for being a good shephered on News That Matters.
If you find Jew-hate in any comment, just repeat those lines in your comment. The News That Matter team will use the spam button.
Yaseer have received the final warning. I might go through his comment, and spam and delete his last messages.
Dear Yasser.
Shalom.
You are not on this blog to debate, but to spread Islamic booklets.
You do not have to write another comment, because it will be spammed.
If you are here to debate, please write short messages, and answer simple questions.
That is where you are wrong, Yaseer. You may not totally understand it but I would be glad to answer any questions.
New International Version (NIV
John 1
“The Word Became Flesh
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In Him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John [the Baptist]. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was His own, but His own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 (John [the Baptist] testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because He was before me.’”) 16 Out of His fullness we have all received grace in place of grace already given. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made Him known.”
Dear Administrator
What you seek is what you find. And if you were the seeker and the whisperer of ignorance then you have certainly found it. I don’t know what Christianity or Jewish stand is on spreading untruthful and deviating information relating to GOD, his messengers and his revelation, but in Islam it is highly forbidden. You are not only committing a major sin but also, you become the bearer of the sins of all those you have deviated from the right path with your wrong information.
What I gathered from reading this piece, is that in contrary of your website’s logo, you are so afraid of the truth and are far from it. A little piece of advice brother; take your blinkers off, open you heart and mind, put aside your anger, victim mentality and sense of self righteousness and become seeker of the TRUTH and, if GOD wills you will find it.
Truth will always prevail, until then lets pray together “Lord of the Worlds, The Beneficent, the Merciful , Guide us on the straight path,The path of those whom Thou hast favored; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray”
I agree with SARAH
Majority of the information is WRONG the biggest wrong thing that the MUSLIMS worships the black stone no never its wrong
Muslims are the Followers of Hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) and worships to the ONE and ONLY GOD(ALLAH) who has created everything we see or we cant see. The creater of whole universe
That Cube of stone that guy is calling is called KHANA-KAHBA Muslims worship to ONE ALLAH but by faces towards that KHANA-KHABA which was built by Hazart IBRAHIM.
That stone is called HIJRE ASWAD(stone from haven) Muslims kiss it just to give it respect but not that mean to worship that stone.
Please if you donot know about ISLAM delete your website or correct the information
half s believable nd half s fake
Dear Admin
1.
Muslims Only worship The Only One God Allah. and one thing more if you have a mind or even a small piece of mind you can think that God is not a moon god. According to science moon follow the earth and earth it self follow the Sun and sun follow the milky way and so on. And as A Muslims we believe all that is under Allah.So YOU ARE WRONG IN EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR RESEARCH and God has no son you must read Qur’an. Surat Ihlas In Which He say,
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Say: He is Allah, the One and Only!
Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
He begetteth not nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him.
so THEIR IS NO goddess, no daughters no sons
2. Black Stone is infect came from heaven called Hijre Aswad and We kiss only for Its respect.
So Please as a part of internet you must be ashamed at your wrong misleading information and try to remove your blog or verify your information their is a bunch of information on internet and according to Qur’an you are invited to research either you do it throughout the world or online. So please think about it
Black stones are nothing but meteors fall from sky, by with was build this room called Kaaba’, our “Ěl”, direction of the prayers.
Churches count on ignorant like him.
“Myth Jesus” must be proud of them
do you ever drink his blood? Do your ever drink his blood? Do your death grandparent ever drink his blood? Bible having changes every year, different church for different prayer, different saying… Which will god choose? Which one is the truth? Catholic, arsi?
…I am a historian and I have also studying on competitive religion…But didn’t find any information like this…There are thousand of website as like this Anti-Islamic culture…because you guys can’t judge with truth…you support Christianity…So your information about Islam is totally fake…Though Muhammad (PUB) is most hated person but with this he is also no. 1 influence person in the world by Michel H heart where Jesus (PUB) is in no. 3…keep it up…
Good Morning Abir,
Your comment: There are thousand of website as like this Anti-Islamic culture…because you guys can’t judge with truth…you support Christianity
My Comment: Don’t you mean believe in the truth? What I support is Jesus Christ, and by having faith in him, and believing what he did, then I believe in the one and only true God. John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me
Your Comment: Though Muhammad (PUB) is most hated person but with this he is also no. 1 influence person in the world by Michel H heart where Jesus (PUB) is in no. 3…keep it up…
My Comment: What kind of believer in Christ would I be if I said I hated Muhammad? His actions are another story. Muhammad was deceived by Satan, and chose to follow the devil. As to Muhammad, being the #1 influence, between him and the pope, they are causing the destruction of countless souls by deceiving them. It is a sad thing to see. But I pray that you and all, come to know the only one who can save you; Jesus Christ.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.
Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
without the full story of the sacrifice of JESUS and that his blood and water flowed out of him down the cross into the six meter crack in the bedrock and then onto the arch of the covernant {mercy seat}witch was placed there over 600 years prior ,and now remains there as testoment of truth that JESUS is the only path for mans salvation and by this truth shall our minds be free to of the lies of men
Dean,
I’m sitting here, wondering what it is you are even writing. Are you adding to God’s word? Or are you mocking what Jesus did for us? This simply has got to be one of the weirdest comments I have ever read.
meter crack? Bed rock? Are you serious?
If adding to the Word of God is what your trying to do: It is written:
Revelation 22:18 warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
If mocking is what your doing: Galatians 6:7 says Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.
I suggest you pick up the Word of God, and do study and pray.
Sorry I did not intend to alarm you ,this discovery was made by {Ron Wyatt} in 1982 ,its well documented on google sites ,I beleive it to be true ,as all of his discoveries are ,if you are seeking to find truth ? do your own research ! I also found this discovery does not add to the Word of God ,it is the Word of God
ps: heres one example LEV 17:11For the life of the flesh is in the blood;and I have given it to you upon the alter,to make an atonement for your souls;for it is in the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
I do not follow google sites, or a man by the name of Ron Wyatt. Many men who are false prophets have added to the Word of God, or have distorted it.
I follow God’s Word, which is what you should be doing, because Jesus tells us exactly what will happen to false prophets.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist.
2 Peter 2:1-3 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
As we both beleive the KJV BIBLE to be the word of GOD ? and therefore all that is witten in it to be true, then there should be evidance to suport its claims {and there are maney} ,now I understand you may not need this evidance , but what aboat GODS musslim and budist children etc would it not be better for us as followers of JESUS to use these discoveries, instead of quoteing scriptures of there doom ? I beleive the Bible holds maney mystries that man does not yet understand ,I also believe, before the return of JESUS his truth shall be shown to all men ,giveing them a choice to repent and accept the sacrifice that JESUS made to save our souls.or to give there faith to Satans son the anti-christ .If you choose not to beleive the discoveries made by Ron Wyatt a fellow follower of JESUS without veiwing there content, and then openly proclaim him to be a false prophet, does this not make you a false witness ?
Ron Wyatts discoveries are totally plausible.just read the article..Yahusha’s blood fell thru the crevice caused by the quake and sprinkled on the Mercy Seat. Completing our Redemption. It is a quite interesting article and no way is Ron(RIP) prophesying; He was connecting archeology to Scripture. Blessed be the Word of Yahuwah,,whom the jesuit transcribers changed Scripture in KJV.
EX: King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.[comma goes after To Day]
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
But Yahusha said to him, “Amein, I say to you that today you shall be with me in Paradise. notice the placement of comma changes the whole meaning of this verse not that day, but a future day No one has ascended to Heaven but Yahusha your great grandpa is not looking down on you he sleeps in the earth likr King David sleeps with his fathers Enoch and Elijah were transliterated to another place [sleep in the Earth](not Heaven} and did not experience the ‘Sting’ of death. Today you have heard the truth. not church taught doctrines of men
Seeing as you’re making quite a few tall claims here, most intelligent people would say the burden of proof is on you. But what proof do you actually provide? You’ve cited several verses from the Holy Bible, but not a single reference – Muslim or non – to substantiate said claims. So instead of being intellectually responsible, all you’ve done is propagate Orientalist fabrications. Very disappointing.
For instance, the fact that the “Arabian” moon god, an import from Mesopotamia, was actually called Seen. Also the fact that the pre-Islamic pagan Arabs knew of “Allah” [Almighty], a completely separate deity – though whose true identity had by then been completely marred.
Another known fabrication you seem to be enthusiastically putting forward is the claim that “Islam” can in fact be rendered into English as “peace.” Consult any scholar of Arabic language (Muslim or non) and the word’s true etymology will be discovered. “Islam,” in fact, is derived from the Arabic word “istislaam” which means “submission.” Those who claim its origin to be “salaam,” which does mean “peace,” are either lying to make a more ironic point, or completely misunderstand the fact that “peace” is only a connotation implicit in “Islam’s” full spectrum of intrinsic meanings.
So maybe you can see why someone who has actually investigated history, linguistics, and anthropology might find this little literary morsel a bit unsavory. Coming from a person of professed faith, your work here is quite an unfaithful representation of truth.
Don’t be insulted, please. This is just my way of asking you to be more scientific in your method.
Religion is self-righteous vanity, do not fool yourselfs with exaggerated wisdom,soon will come a time when the truth will be layed bare before you ,so be loveing, humble and honest and let GOD be wise
A much simpler to say all of that would’ve been to not leave a comment in the first place. Words without meaning.
Your inability to understand something doesn’t preclude everyone else’s ability to do so…
You lie about Islam in this world. What you will say in the outer darkness?
Or when you will be as angels?
WE, Muslim, worship the moon & black stones falling from it?
Smart one?
All your “CRUSADES” for collect money for your church?
Marwanyafi,
Islam is full of violence, hatred, and lies. There actions cannot be overlooked, because they have killed, maimed and tortured. Mohammed was a liar, who twisted God’s word.
The only chance they and you have save yourselves, is by accepting THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD: JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR. Repent, because the time of Christ is near.
Jesus has warned you: John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
Marwanyafi,
I have spammed your last message. You will not be allowed to post on this site any longer.
Not only do you posts 6 links filled with lies, the fact that you state that there have been 37 crucifixtions in history, mimicking the act of Christ, is blasephemy.
Jesus Christ is the only one that can save you.
Take your Islamic lies elsewhere.
In Aramaic the word is Allaha, take off the full word, we have Allah. The Flag of Islam looks like the Flag of Red China if inverted, crescent shaped, I cannot understand why anyone would condone a ‘prophet’ who was responsible for so much warfare. If the word does not come straight from God Himself, it could be from an angel of light masquerading as Gabriel just like Joseph Smith claims to have seen Angel Moroni who found written tablets…his teachings conflicts with The Way as well, it is as if some angel is going around (if there is one at all), telling fibs. All this aside, the question is, “If the Second Coming is Believed in, why wait?”. If you believe in the Second Coming, then there had to be a first. If there was a first then people spoke to Him. If you are awaiting a Second Coming then are you saying you trust him to his word and the words stated in the bible since that is where it was written first or are you saying all the worlds in the bible are false? If so, say so and quit beating around the bush. Or, if you do believe what Jesus Himself said, the man who has gone down in human history as the greatest man to ever live, then I sure hope he wasn’t a liar. And if He wasn’t a liar that he said he would send the Comforter, The Advocate, the Spirit of Truth yet while some of those standing in front of him were still alive. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is not Mohammed. The point is brother and sisters, this is all words, all of it, yes? The Proof of the Pudding is in the tasting you have heard it said, but I say the Proof of the Pudding is in the Experience. If we do not Believe that Jesus is Truth since he said so himself..we ard not talking truth as in true words nearly as much Truth in Spirit…that means to His Word, which he spoke through GOD Himself, He sated this. The words I speak are not my own but through my Father who Sent Me. So if you call him a liar, then God is a liar too. Otherwise, believing in Him and Praying to the Father to Know Him so as to receive His Spirit which will dwell in you changes everything. We speak from the top of our heads too much, the Spirit speaks through the Heart and cuts through the crap, just as Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees. Islam is a religion based on morals and not on the Spirit . Again, it is the indwelling of the Spirit of God inside you where forth we Know Truth innately and Intuitively through the Word of Messiah, Eashoa M’sheekhah ./ Yeshua, Jesus Life Giver. Eternal life. I cannot comprehend why knowing ‘about him’ should stop anyone from receiving the Spirit of God through the Messiah Life Giver today. I know, you will be condemned by your own people. Very sad, We all pray for you, not because you are bad at all, certainly no worse then some Christians, which is just a word. Jesus does into even CARE about religion, he is The Way..what Way? The Way to Eternal Life through Hearing the Word of God through The Spirit whom has been Sent to be received within our hearts and minds and souls. to prepare us for Glorification upon death of our fleshly body. Kissing a stone, a cross, whatever is not acceptable, If our minds are eyes or heads are on an object what good is that? We can pray to God anytime, anywhere, while driving or walking on the beach. God is EVERYWHERE, and those who Worship in Spirit and in Truth will understand this. It is impossible to worship in spirit and in Truth if we have yet to receive the Spirit of God in us…and that is not possible unless we reverence what Messiah has done for us, Gave his Life so we can have Eternal Life. What’s there not to love about that? False teachers are the problem, and growing up in families that do things based on what? Tradition and ignorance. That applies to EVERYONE in the WORLD..including my own family. Islam wants to take over the world. Who is the prince of this world? Satan.
Many issues lie in Muslims not understanding “Christians” and vice versa because of false information no doubt. The Islam belief about Jesus parallels Elijah and Enoch, who both went ‘up in a cloud’ to heaven. Many of Mohammed’s sayings are words right out of Jesus’s mouth twisted and turned around to mean something to benefit solely him and anyone who would follow him, and early on people picked up on that and rejected him until quite sometime later. It’s as if the Koran was put out to circumvent the New Testament which had not been fully released to the masses yet due to the fact that there was no means to do so yet. If have read the Koran, or as much as I could stand..parts of it are ‘nice’ and then again, not so nice. Understand, in the USA there are a lot of teachers of false followings that mimic Islam like a Course in miracles and others that do not believe in original sin. They are all false and all mechanisms by which “Satan” whatever that is trying to deceive people. Why else do we think so much conflict is going right on at the hub of where Jesus was Crucified? Some things never change. There is a section in the book, the Koran, renouncing both Jews and Christians..why is that? Is that LOVE? Christ stated he came not to bring peace like the world knows peace (which would be Islam), but as He Knows Peace. What kind of Peace is that? Inner Peace through the Spirit. He also stated it was imperative he be crucified or else his entire purpose would be in vain. To reject what his mission was is in this light anti-Christ…or not-Messiah, a perfectly little game of Satan. Satan often tells the truth, but it is not 100 percent Holy Truth. in short, he lies by omission. Omitting the Crucifixion and Original Sin are the two ploys. In the beginning the Light was Separated from the Darkness, right there in Genesis. SIN before Jesus even came into the picture so that counts out a lot of crap floating around including New Age, Wicca, A Course in miracles, and anyone who writes a book that does not mention this of which are many in the USA, many follow these “Empty Vessels” like gurus but they have nothing new to say. Why is that? Because even people here want to do what ‘feels good’. Jesus is beyond feels good actions and routines..it is a totally different Reality altogether. THe world is not seen through physical eyes but through a Spiritual Lens. I speak through experience without picking up a book! Forget memorizing, that’s brain washing. Peace I leave with you, not as the world knows peace but as I do. Let not your hearts be troubled nor let them be afraid. For I have conquered Satan! Period. It is FINISHED. The greatest prophet of all was John the Baptists, and before the coming or birth of Christ there was 13 at least other prophets going back to 1000 BC who spoke of him, including Abraham. If Ishmael is the descendant, then Ishmael is the one who gave up his birthright to Isaac. This is all about getting a birthright back in short., operating on revenge. Is Islam out to get revenge for something over a stupid bowl of porridge in 1400BC?
And after Jesus ascending it is written, 2 Timothy 4:4
4 Yes, they will stop listening to the Truth, but will turn aside to follow myths.
I am Muslim and I believe that everyone believes in one god but are confused by different religions. There is one religion and that is islam which means surrenderinng to god. That was the name of Judaism and Christianity before but some how it was changed. We Muslims respect only the people of the books which are the Christians Jews and Muslims others we don’t care about. We are supposed to convince them to convert but if they don’t want to then we are supposed to leave them alone. I only had problems of being Muslim in the USA. But Christians aren’t harassed in the Muslim countries because we respect Christianity better we believe in it.
Jenna,
You said: . We Muslims respect only the people of the books which are the Christians Jews and Muslims others we don’t care about. We are supposed to convince them to convert but if they don’t want to then we are supposed to leave them alone.
My Comment: Your quran says: Quran (2:191-193) – “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]… but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah”
Am I reading this wrong? Because it’s calling for violence and murder.
Your allah is not the God of the Bible. There are so many differences between your religion that’s filled with violence, and destruction verses Christianity. But the most important part is that you refused to see that Jesus Christ died for your sins. You refuse to see that he loved you that much, and rose again, and is coming soon. I love this Bible verse so much, because it speaks the plain truth.
Jesus says to you and all:
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
Im not trying to fight here. But It is acceptable if we are at war with them, and that was the case during the time the prophet Mohammed was alive. I am a sunni Muslim and I never read any other quraans then the one written by Othman so I don’t know if it says that in different islamic religions such as the Shia or others. It does not say to kill Christians unless they are at your door trying to attack you. For example when omar went to palestine he did not attack them because they were Christians and they we were the only ones who didn’t change the bible. And it doesn’t say to commit jehad unless we are at war. We follow so many things from Christianity so we have no differences. The only difference is that Christians believe that Jesus is god which i don’t understand how a human being created from mud could be god.
2:191-193And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful( if they surrender then leave them because god is forgiving and merciful). Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. U explained the first part right but started to add on lies. And there is violence in christianity just as there is in Jews and Muslims we are human we are supposed to commit sins and pray to god for forgiveness that’s why god created the devil to tempt us and test us to see what we will do but yet he still knows what we will do. You can say all the bad things about us as you please but we will never be like you because we believe in god and his prophets and religions. I’m not talking about you specifically but there are some people who look down at us and treat Muslims bad but that’s okay. Cause I know this isn’t our world, we are just passing time for the real world wich is paradise. I know my religion is the right one and I hope u can see that.
Jenna,
No one is fighting. What I quote you is the simply the complete truth, the Word of God.
You said: It does not say to kill Christians unless they are at your door trying to attack you
My comment: If an alledge “christian” was at your door trying to attack you, then he is no christian at all.
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You said: But It is acceptable if we are at war with them, and that was the case during the time the prophet Mohammed was alive.
My comment: That you follow a man who raped a 9 year old girl, whom he took as a wife is sickening.
Your comment: And it doesn’t say to commit jehad unless we are at war.
My comment: Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword.
Your comment: The only difference is that Christians believe that Jesus is god which i don’t understand how a human being created from mud could be god.
My comment: Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
God is the creator of all things. God and Jesus are one. You will gain a better understanding by picking up the Word of God.The fact that they are one, and Jesus died for our sins, and rose again, is a GREAT THING. He loved you that much and wants you to accept him.
Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
John 8:58 – Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 10:30 Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.”
Your comment: I know my religion is the right one and I hope u can see that.
My comment: The devil is a liar Jenna, a liar of all things. I have been in the presence of Christ (all glory goes to Him) and I tell you with all my heart, leave that violent muslim religion, and accept Jesus, before it is too late.
Jeremiah 10:25 Pour out your wrath on the nations that do not acknowledge you, on the peoples who do not call on your name. For they have devoured Jacob; they have devoured him completely and destroyed his homeland.
If an alledge “christian” was at your door trying to attack you, then he is no christian at all. (what about when they killed Sadam Hussein or all the iraqis because he was attacking Israel because they took Palestine. And now Iraq is a mess after the war) I believe most Americans are christian.
That you follow a man who raped a 9 year old girl, whom he took as a wife is sickening.( i never heard of our prophet rape a nine year old where did u hear that from. Cause people make up things. people who hate on other people they say bad things about them and that could of been a rumor. when you say something like that I get mad. You don’t see me writing bad things about Jesus because he is a prophet also, we respect him. Like I said Christians who aren’t from the middle east don’t understand us cause you are not living amongst us. I advise you to find a good religious lebansese or Palestinian family and ask about Islam.
How could you believe he’s god he was in Mary’s womb, god can’t be born or reborn as you said he created the heavens, earths and all of its belongings.
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated god with us. Maybe it means something else we don’t know what the lord really means by that but we assume it is. Maybe because he had gods gifts people that he was god I don’t know, maybe you do.
The devil is a liar Jenna, a liar of all things. I have been in the presence of Christ (all glory goes to Him) and I tell you with all my heart, leave that violent muslim religion, and accept Jesus, before it is too late.
I find that really funny because what you said Muslims try to convince Christians to become Muslim, I really think we are all the same we are all gods slaves we think we have different religions but believe me we all follow the same concept.
By the way thanks for the generosity but I’m happy with my religion.
Jenna,
That is wrong. Unfortunately most Americans are not Christians.
You said: i never heard of our prophet rape a nine year old where did u hear that from.
My comment: Mohammed married Aisha and raped a 9 year old girl. I’m sure you have heard of this story. It is well know truth, and not a rumor. My intentions are not to make you mad, but for you to see the truth in Jesus.
You said: How could you believe he’s god he was in Mary’s womb, god can’t be born or reborn as you said he created the heavens, earths and all of its belongings.
My comment: Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
God the creator of all things, the one and only living GOD, the MOST POWERFUL, RIGHTEOUS, AND JUST, can do anything.
In the same chapter of Isaiah, God says: Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
You said: I find that really funny because what you said Muslims try to convince Christians to become Muslim, I really think we are all the same we are all gods slaves we think we have different religions but believe me we all follow the same concept.
My comment: I was not making a joke. The devil is a liar, and this muslim religion is a concept from the pits of hell. They lead many into the wides of hell. We do not worship the same God, because if that were the truth, you would have seen that Jesus Christ is the only that can save you, and denounced this muslim falsehood.
Al-lah is the principal evil-god in the temple of Kaaba. Muhammad destroyed al-lah’s idol. Al-lah’s devotees destroyed Muhammad’s descendants in the battle field of Karbala. So, al-lah is the blood-thirsty evil.
We don’t understand Christianity just like how Christians don’t understand Islam.
I wish we can all stop arguing cause were wasting precious time were all ding in a couple of wreaks right lol
I was spamed for affiliateing zionism and the alluminati and falsely acused of hateing Jewish people by the proud zionist editor who is neither a Jew or lives there ,my post was neither for /nor against this issue of a earthly state of Isreal and it is well known that not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews ,and it is also well known that the very elite of this world have financialy suported this movement ! but when it comes down to it our LORD JESUS knows the truth and is in total control of these matters ,anyway after this injustice I closed my subscription but this blog still sends me posts so can this be sorted “dean kevin heyes”
Everything religion has its idols Muslims have a damn moon rock Christians worship the damn cross it may I add the image of Jesus that is protruded in pictures is not even really him so that an idol Muslims you stold parts of the Bible shame on you. but 1 thing I can say is kudos for worshipping 1god Kristen’s shame on you for worshipping 3 gods really the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit oh thats strikes 1’2 and 3 don’t get me wrong it’s nice to believe into something but in the end we all die and that’s it religion speaks of love but the religious people always fight each other I call bull shit on you and religion
Josh,
Christians do not worship “the damn cross.” Christians give praise to Jesus Christ, the ONLY LIVING GOD, whom shed his blood for us on the cross, and who rose and comes soon.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
Also, Christians do not worship 3 Gods. You really should pick up the Word of God and read it. You’ll not only learn alot, but see how much Jesus loves you.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and rhas given us understanding, so that we may know shim who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and teternal life.
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
FYI: Please refrain from using foul language when posting.
Gloria
Who wrote the bible? your using so many names
Jenna,
Those are bible verses, and yes some are names.
You ask who wrote the Bible?
Verse John 1:1 says: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The Holy Bible is the Complete Word of God. The men who actually wrote the Bible were under the direction of the Holy Spirit.
All one has to do is search of Ancient Moon God.
Moon God has always been depicted by vagina or God of Fertility . The Black stone is one of them. Also there are many other moon temples in far east which have vagina (Yoni) shaped fountains(Shiva).
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Reason being Women have their period Monthly. Aka. they get fertilized by Moon Cycle.
Moon God also demands blood or sacrifice of animals/human virgins, etc. Due to the fact that women bleed during their Period. So People thought Moon God demands blood to provide fertility!
Islam also has kept that tradition and people who go to Hajj, Circulating the black stone, like the moon cylces for 7 time (7×4 =28). They also have to face the moon rise, as they go around Kaaba (counterclock circulation). they have to also sacrifice animals to satisfy Allah.
Black stone is on the eastern Corner of Kaaba (Qube), pointing to the Moon rise!
Moon also was a feared God, which is what the God of Islam is. Allah is to be feared!
Arabs were not Sun worshipers, since day time is too hot, but under Moon light, they could travel the Sahara. Also Sex and virgin was big among Arabs.
There was no virigin to be found in Saudi, since they only kept one girl and kill the rest of newborn girls!
Almost all Arabs were and are bi-sexual.
Moon light has always been looked at as having Sex. Even in Quran they have detail of what phase of Moon one should have sex..
Islam, 72 Virgins & Sex, Sacrifice, slavery, killing of poeple (only religion whose prophet for profit killed and beheaded people), black stone all point to the old Moon God of Arabia sold as God of Universe!
Yes that is a vagina! The Moon God Vagina. Study the Hajj, it is all about Moon Cycles and People get almost naked circulating it (men and women mix with very thin towel around them)! Lots of sexual arousal during Hajj (Pre Islam, they actually used to get naked and have sex around the black stone, exchange wives, .. Search for history of Hajj before islam)
Ali, you have fallen for a deception, and it seems you are in it really deep.
There is only one God, and God tells us here Isaiah 43:10,11 – “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Christ loves you, and wants you to accept him. But if you do not get out of the pit of lies, you will die in your sins.
Prophecy Servant of God
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word Atmak not necessarily means ‘whom I uphold’ but is infact a name
the writing of Atmak is אתמך
the writing of Ahmad is אחמד
Isaiah 42:1
God says
“Behold, ‘My Servant’ (pronounced as Abd-ee), ‘whom I uphold’ (pronounced as Atmak);
God mentioning about the coming of His servant
Behold My Servant Ahmad (Isaiah 42:1) – so who is this Ahmad as in God’servant?
He is none other than
Abd-Allah Ahmad (Servant of God, Ahmad) – Prophet Muhammad s.a.w
Al-lah is the principal evil-god in the temple of Kaaba. Muhammad destroyed al-lah’s idol. Al-lah’s devotees destroyed Muhammad’s descendants in the battle field of Karbala. So, al-lah is the blood-thirsty evil.
FIRST OF ALL WHY TO BELIEVE ALLAH , TO ME HE HAS YET TO PROVE THAT HE IS GOD.WHAT IS LAST KNOWLEDGE? HOW THE LAST AND A LASTING KNOWLEDGE HAS TO BE?WHAT QURAN HAVE GIVEN SPIRITUAL MESSAGE TO THE WORLD FOR MANKIND AND TO GET FREED FROM WORLD? IN WHOLE QURAN ALLAH IS UNABLE TO EXPLAIN THE RELATION OF ROOH AND HIMSELF. . WHY ALLAH IS SO EAGER TO GET WORSHIPED? WHEN EMBEDED SOUL IS GIVEN FREEDOM OF KARMA AND WISH , THEN HOW ALLAH FORCES ALL THE TIME TO WRSHIP HIM?
Almighty God made a prophecy about the coming of new Servant of God, bringing a ‘new song’ in Isaiah 42:10
Inhabitants from all around the world gather there and voice aloud their praise to God.
Does it still not make sense to those who seek truth?
Just only 3q, Who is Allah? any proof ? Allah is exit or not where is the proof for the world?
Islam magic stone is woman organ?
Muslims don’t worship the black nore do we now to it. Blackstone came from the heavens when Adam was ousted by god. The stone was actually a bright light but turned black from all sins.
We Muslims aren’t aloud to worship any object or deity but Allah. If we worship the kaba then yusuf would not get on the Kaba and call the adhan.
If you like to know about Islam, go to a Muslim.
Kabah was first built by angels for the them pray. Then it was the jinns. Allah almost destroyed the jinns for a few and soon after was we humans. However we Muslims were commanded to pray our salah in the direction of Jerusalem for 16-18 months till our prophet received a revelation.
Where does it say that you used to pray towards Jerusalem for 16-18 months?
Muslims aren’t aloud to worship any objects, our call for prayer destinctly implies that. Don’t worship the “moon” nore the stone. We bow to god not to the kabah or the stone but at the direction. In your bible it says Adam, Abraham, Samuel etc all prayed like we Muslims. Orthodox Jews pray this way, choptic Christians pray this way.
We follow prophets and messengers and yes we believe in the scripture, bible that came before. There were 125,000 prophets sent to earth and just over 300 were messengers. Adam was the first, he was ousted from heaven because of his sin, as he walked out he picked up the stone which is now the black stone. Prophets and messengers cannot lie, Adam thought he was doing the right thing when he was tricked by satan. Allah loves Christians and Jews that’s why Allah blessed them in this world, if a Christian reverts to Islam, each reward he gets will be doubled and for Jews tripled. It is said in the hadith angel Gabriel says love the non Muslims like they are your kings.
Faith is what keeps us alive, what gives us purpose and hope. If you want to live and learn about Islam by non Muslim, your choice. Just remember hate comes from satan, nothing good comes from it
Well spoken
Hi to everyone who had posted their views and comment in this blog.
I am happy to learn that some way or the other, everyone was acknowledging the existence of God by calling him Allah, Jesus the son of God, Yehawa, Elohim, Holy Trinity, messenger, prophets and also by reading the Holy books.
Dear Friends, why are we debating and creating difference among us on the basis of religions and believes which I think is creating difference between us as a human or mankind.
Did anyone of you realize who created religion? Of course man did, not God. As the time or “yug” passed we started developing differences among ourselves. Some of us are still confuse about God the Supreme Being this makes us weaker in our faith.
Like you all I also wanted to know more truth about the “Supreme Being” (and our existence on this earth) on which we have so much faith that after departing from this cruel world we all want to be with him in heaven at the end, which put us in this world.
Do you agree with me, if yes then who is our true “Supreme Being”, or so called God who is mentioned in the Holy Book as loving and merciful?
I do believe in Bible and Quran. But I wasn’t satisfied because of the characterization of God mentioned in Bible. Sometime the God is described as loving and merciful but sometime very angry and merciless.
Since I’m an Indian and India is known as land of spirituality. In India there are different religion and cultural diversity, yet we are one as a country. This helps us to understand each other, so I had to look for answers in the ancient Hindu scriptures.
I want to have your attention towards the oldest Holy books of Hindus which provide better incite about the actual “Supreme Being”.
Before going ahead I want to make one thing clear that I am not promoting Hinduism or any other religion here, but I want to share and help you guys to understand the truth or knowledge with the help of “Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj” who have mentioned every detail in this book “GYAN GANGA – Tattavgyan (Real Spiritual Knowledge)”. I must say it’s an essence of his research.
Why I’m referring to him because, there is a saying in India that “Nothing can be achieved in this world without the help of a Guru or Teacher”. Everybody needs guidance to accomplish something in their lives.
If you really want to know about the God, the Father, the Creator of Ultimate Multi Dimensional Universe, the Angels or Demons who reign in another Dimension then “PLEASE”, I request you to put our religion difference aside because all you will need an open mind to understand the entire knowledge of creation of this world in which we live.
For more information please refer the link below:
http://www.jagatgururampalji.org/gyan_ganga.php
Please share this knowledge with others and try making this world a better place.
May God bless all of you with the knowledge you seek.
Thanks
Pardon me for my English.
Ashish:
I pray that you may find the right path for your salvation:
Please click the link below to start:
http://www.biblegateway.com/
May God bless you in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior!
Thank you for the good wishes and for link. God bless you too my friend.
well muslim claims that muhammed was the last profect and they said the kahba was built by Abraham and sons why didn’t Christ go there to worship if that is where his father our father ask Abraham to worship
Al-lah is the principal evil-god in the temple of Kaaba. Muhammad destroyed al-lah’s idol. Al-lah’s devotees destroyed Muhammad’s descendants in the battle field of Karbala. So, al-lah is the blood-thirsty evil.
Hi Enoch Harris Jarred,
If you had referred the link in my above post then you would have not raised this question What Muslims think and claim? Anyways, my simple reason why Jesus may not have returned to pray at Kabha or Mecca because:
He didn’t have time to waste and wanted to give all his time to preach the new commandment from God. As the older one (commandment) was manipulated by the High priests to gain honor and prestige in both society (i.e Jew and Arabs).
Also Jesus knew where, how and whom he must pray to the Almighty God Father, since he was the chosen one. Apart from all this the world in which we live is or was not his domain or kingdom for he came. He came to save the poor souls who wanted Salvation, Nirvana or Moksha.
This he proved it by resurrecting on the third day and presented himself in front of many believer and non believer so that they all can witness the true love of his beloved Father.
Thanks.
(Just moving my comment down, so it doesn’t get lost!)
Caroleen,
you have stumbled on the ‘stumbling block’ of the gospel: the cross of Jesus Christ.
To the lost, it is foolisness, but to the saved and redeemed, it is a priceless treasure – te only hope of salvation.
You say ‘Only God can forgive sins’. Yes, that is right.
When Jesus said to the paralysed man ‘your sins are forgiven’, the religious ‘experts’ of the day were outraged – because only God can forgive sins! Who was this Jesus claiming to be?!
And Jesus said, “But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic—
“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.””
And the paralyzed man was immediately healed.
An ordinary, sinful man, dying for the sins of another – that is not possible. God demands a perfect atonement for sins. Jesus was/is no ordinary man. He is both 100% human and 100% God at the same time. Terefore He can satisfy the righteous judgment of God over sin, and pay the price for our salvation.
God shows His approval of this great sacrifice, by raising Jesus Christ up from the dead after three days.
Jesus death and resurrection is man’s only hope of reconciliation to God. There is no other hope.
I hope for you, Caroleen, that you will have the courage to set down what you perhaps have been taugt all your life, and that you would cry out to God to show you the truth about Jesus/Yesou’a lmassiH.
Try to find a bible in your own language, or at least a New Testament. Read it, and pray for God to show you the truth.
There is no light or salvation in Islam. No muslim has ever been able to show me any such hope. Even Muhammed himself prayed ‘ehdini fi ttariq al mustaqim’ (lead me on the straight path). And even on his deathbed he prayed for his own salvation.
Yesou’a alMassiH said: ‘I AM the Way, the Truth and the Light. No one comes to the Father but by me’.
(Ana huwa ttariiq wal Haqq wal Hayaat. La ya’ti aHad ilal aabi illa bee.)
I hope you want the Way, the Truth and the Life, Caroleen?
Caroleen,
many people ‘grow up christian’ and the Bible still means nothing special to them.
True christian faith is a relationship, not a religion, or something you simply inherit from your parents.
And you can never ‘figure it out’ intellectually, or through debating.
The Truth must be revealed to you from above.
Start with the written Revelation that comes from above – the Bible.
Many people read the Bible as a book, but if you honestly and sincerely seek the truth, and if you desperately seek to repent and to turn to God, the giver of life – then He may reveal to you who Jesus Christ is, as you read His Holy Word.
The Messiah promises, that for anyone who asks, seeks, and knocks – that is for anyone who is desperately persistant for the truth – they will find it. The door shall be opened.
I hope you will find it, Caroleen.
Shalom/salaam, and love in Jesus Christ, who gave His life to save you.
Why do the muslims worship
Kaaba?
Assalamualaikum..
Why do muslims worship Kaaba?
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One day, in a High-Tea Inter Faith Gathering :
Missionary: Why do muslims worship a ‘black
box’?
Muslim : No. It’s not what you think. Muslims
worship and bow to none except Allah.
Missionary: But, did the muslims pray facing the
Kaaba, a black box. Is God in the Kaaba?
However, before the Muslim guy wanted to
answer the missionary’s question, suddenly
handphone
N95 rang. The missionary answered the call. The
muslim guy was waiting patiently. After the
missionary finished answering his call, he looked
at the muslim guy. The muslim just smile.
Missionary: Why did you smile? When you want
to answer my question just now?
Muslim : Hmmmm….Do i need to asnwer that
question?
Missionary: You don’t have the answer?
Muslim : It’s not what i mean. Well, just now,
i’m trying to use a theory that you used to
create question
that you asked me And i found you
insane.
Missionary: Why did you say so?
Muslim : Just now, i saw you talking with
yourself, laughed and smiled to yourself . And
then, you kiss your
handphone and said “I love you,
mom”.
Missionary: I did not talk to myself. I spoke to
my mother. She called me just now.
Muslim : Where’s your mom? I didn’t see her.
Missionary: My mom in Penang. She phoned me,
and i answered her using my N95. What’s the
problem??
(Missionary’s voice getting higher
and angry). You can’t think that??
Muslim : Can i see your handphone?
He handed the handphone to the muslim guy.
The muslim guy took the handphone, looked at it
and threw it on the floor. It was destroyed. The
missionary looked at the muslim guy with angry
in his eyes. While the muslim guy smiled.
Muslim : Where’s your mom? I can’t see her. I
threw and broke the handphone, but still your
mom is not in it.
Missionary: Are you STUPID? Communications
and technology have advanced. We can remotely
using telephone lines and wireless technology.
Use your brain!
Muslim: Alhamdulillah…Same goes to Allah.
Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, but it
doesn’t mean they worship it. Muslims bow to
none except Allah. Allah commanded Muslims to
pray, to be facing the Kaaba. It also does not
mean Allah is in the Kaaba.
Same goes to you and your phone. Your mother
is calling you using Nokia N95 mobile phone.
This doesn’t mean that your mother is in that
phone. But the telecommunications company set
the rules, if your mother wants to talk with you
over phone, the she has to dial your numbers.
Then the muslim gave the missionary RM1500 to
buy a new handphone. The muslim left the
missionary taht seemed a little bit shock. Islam
has all the answers. We just need to find it. 🙂
akef, I think you nailed it. This must be “The End” of this topic.
Very good of you,Bible says time is coming when people will being listening to deceive spirit and deceive teaching,muhammed have deceived them they can hear the truth neither listening to it, unless Living God encounter them.
Reblogged this on Intrepid Didymus.
Deut 32:31
“Indeed their rock is not like our Rock,
Even our enemies themselves judge this.”
how could a black hunk of lifeless stone, probably mostly iron, even compare to the Living Rock?
Ivar, I told you before too you have not studied properly before writing this article and this whole article is based on your own made assumptions, which are absolutely wrong.There is no relation of this article and religion Islam. You are talking about the daughters of Allah (Astagfirullah) refer to the revelation in
Quran : 112 (Surah Ikhlaas):
“Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One,
Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”
AND:
Muslim’s main Motto: 1st Pillar (1st Kalima) is
“Laa ilaaha illal Lahoo Mohammadur Rasool Ullah”
Meaning – Declare the Oneness of Allah, and Muhammad (SAW) is The final Prophet of Allah,
This is the declaration, one has to testify to enter in Islam. And please clear your mind that Allah is not the God of Moon. Allah is the God of whole universe, of wherever is in skies and in earths.
The Muslims don’t pray or bow their head to The Black Stone. They prostrate only to Allah and Muhammad is the last messenger of God. Kabba is the direction to prostrate during their prayer. And kissing the Quran means someone kisses the one he loves a lot. As Muslims believe Quran is God’s Word and they love His book so they may kiss the Holy Quran.
I hope you will revise the article to write the truth don’t misguide the people about Islam. Indeed Islam is the religion of Peace.
If someone studies from free heart (not biased) then he will come to the truth. And I don’t say any religion bad. This up to him/her to find out the true.
may Allah give you guidance.
Regards
Rehmat
@Rehmet: “Indeed Islam is the religion of Peace.”
Thank you for this information. I’m confident you are also aware of these words: “Taqiyya”, “Kitman”, “Hudna”, “Muruna”.
If you are within Dar al-Islam, you have no obligation that binds you to the infidels within Dar al-Harb, so I will ask that you indulge those of us who may be slightly suspicious of any claims you may bring. Salam.
Ashadu alaa ilaaha ilallaa, ashadu an a Muhammadan rasullah
Jazakaallahu warabarakatullah! may Allah subhana wa ta’ala reward you with good. may Allah shower you with blessings, my dear!
I am not going to provide my real name and email account, but would like to comment as under.
Why the whole debate about goodness or other side of Islam makes Koran or Bible as the base? The flaw of arguments from both sides stem from one cardinal fact- Both sides take it for granted that Bible/Koran is God inspired and World started with the advent of Abraham. Civilisation is much older than the birth of Abraham. Human race is much older. Secondly, both religion take a position that the way to God (and heaven!) is only through Jesus/Mohammed (or at least being a Christian or a Muslim). What happens to all those who were born and continue to practice other faiths, and most of them are more tolerant of divergent views and respect whatever way one feels related to God/Mother Nature/Providence. Both religions are tribal thinking based. Both eulogise particular tribes (people of the book), lest my comments get longer, suffice to say here, both religions have stories and are by-product of Jewish accumulated knowledge of the time and plagiarised all the positive and negatives of that religious knowledge and copyrighted in books revered by billion of people. Anything wrong with that. Yes and No. Yes, because they are stuck with medieval times and stops people from thinking ahead, reasoning and make them slaves. No, at least people who truly believe and try to follow positive daily chores (human virtues are same throughout the continents and in fact more visible in primitive societies than so-called Christian and Islamic societies) bring up better families. I personally take Christianity and Islam copycat of the big brothers thinking, knowledge that itself was based on their interaction and accumulation from the East-Indian continent. To be a good human being is more important than a polarised world.
Dear Believers of Bible up in the commend all the arguments come to that jesus(pbhu) is son of god but really he isnt please check not so long the oldest Bible was found witch is 1500 y old and goes for 20m euros
btw the bible is writen in the language of jesus(pbuh) arameic
In that bible there is nothing regarding that jesus(pbuh) is son of god
it says that jesus(pbuh) is a messenger of Allah(swt)
Your bible is made up.
Isa(jesus) will come back when the by bibilic apocalypse happens isa will slay the dajjal(anti-christ) and the world will continue to be in peace
no other religions will excist but islam and allah will be worshiped and not for after too long allah will destroy the world.
btw im 14 so sry for grammar mistakes.
AIO,
I wish I would have seen this message sooner, and I pray that Jesus Christ touches your heart so you can see the truth. You are living a lie, that holds grave consequences. Islam is not a religion of peace, and Mohammed was a liar who was deceived by the Devil himself.
Read the Holy Bible, and see what Jesus has and have done for us.
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”
Good article, but many lies in comments section from people mislead by false prophet, Mohamed.
Here’s what Jesus said about prophets like him,
(Mat 24:24) “For false Messiahs and false prophets will rise up. And they will give great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the chosen.”
Mohamed claimed to be God’s messenger, Catholic pope claims to be vicar of God on earth. They both have lead many wars, both have blood of innocent people on their hands. What a contrast against person of Jesus Christ.
Doesn’t matter what Muslims or Catholics say or believe, they are all misled. The reality is more startling than they believe. Only if God would open their eyes.
Here’s what educated and intelligent Dr. Veith has to say about ISLAMIC CONNECTION.
I think it relates nicely to this article.
The ONLY way to God is through Jesus. Worship of anything but Him is wrong. Allah is fake, Mohammed was a liar and Jesus is the only way to God. The end. You’re welcome.
lets get sometings straight we do not pray to the kabbah
christian evangelists are stupid liars and deceivers. you have confirmed that allah created sun and moon and muslims are commanded not worship these objects, yet you insists that allah is a moon-god who married the sun and gave birth to stars. christians forget that they worship fellow human for stupidity. they could worship their pets
The author is not well inform.He should learn more about .I only ask him to produce one similar book like coran.or even a similar word.Allmighty is guiding us by the written in coran.For every nation in every time God send aguidence…Torah..zabour…Evengile….bible…then for our generation Alquran.Allah gave you five fingers for fixed purposes.cut ofd your thumb you will not be able to write..
All a honest person must do, read the words Jesus Christ said and what he did, than compare it with words and actions of Muhammad and one must admit, those two men are not the same.
You Muslims accept Christ as prophet of God, but you don’t listen to what he said.
Here’s just small sample from his prophesies. Read, compare, discern and be honest to your self:
Mathew 7:15-16 “But beware of the false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside they are plundering wolves.
From their fruits you shall know them. Do they gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?”
John 17:3 And this is everlasting life, that they may know You, the Elohim of truth, and Yahshua Messiah, whom You have sent.
THE FRUITS OF GENTILE CHRISTIANITY.
WHERE DID THE FIRST WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM?
REMEMBER, THE DAYS WHEN YOU HAVE NO HISTORY, NO ORIGIN, NO COLOR, NO CULTURE. ONLY A TOY STORY OF WHITE SUPREMACY BECAUSE AFRAID TO FACE THE TRUTH.
WHAT TRUTH?
THE TRUTH THAT YOU ARE ANIMAL IN HUMAN FORM. A MUTATED HYBRID. A SLAVE.
REMEMBER, EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE ARE STOLEN FROM MANKIND. THOSE MANKIND THAT YE MASS MURDERED ACTUALLY BETTER THAN YOU. THEY TAUGHT YOU HOW TO READ AND WRITE, TAUGHT YOU HOW TO TALK AND THINK. BUT YOU KILL THEM TO CLAIM CREDIT FROM IT.
WHAT YE HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO MANKIND?
ONLY LIES AND DESTRUCTION. INVENTED EVIL, DEVASTATED PLANET, CAUSE HAVOC IN THE FOOD CHAIN, ANNIHILATED FLORA FAUNA, POLLUTED ATMOSPHERE & OCEANS, REDUCING OXYGEN & ELECTRON COUNT, BURNED HOLES IN THE OZONE, DEMINERALISING FOOD & WATER, DIG DEEP INTO TISSUES OF THE EARTH, ENSLAVED ANCIENT PEOPLE, ERADICATED INDIGENOUS PEOPLE, MANIPULATING HISTORY AND GOD’S WORD, DIVIDE & CONQUER THE LAND, INCARCERATED INNOCENT, MARTYRED MEEK & SENSITIVE, SLAUGHTERED MAN GENE POOL IN WARS FOR PROFIT, MASSACRED MILLIONS WITH FIRE ASSAULTS, TORN THROUGH VEIL OF SUBATOMIC REALMS, DECEIVE CHILDREN INTO SELF DESTRUCTION THROUGH PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS, PEDDLED ALL KINDS OF PHARMACEUTICAL POISONS, ALTERED PHYSICAL VIBRATION & FREQUENCY THROUGH RADIO DEVICES, DUMBING THE MIND INTO AN UNIMAGINABLE SUFFERING-LEVEL, IMPOSED DEBT SLAVERY AND INDUSTRIALIZING ENTIRE WORLD.
A REVELATION. WHEN WE TRIED TO CLASSIFY SPECIES ON THIS PLANET WE REALIZED THAT THESE ARE NOT ACTUALLY MAMMALIAN. BECAUSE EVERY MAMMALS ON THIS PLANET INSTINCTIVELY DEVELOPS EQUILIBRIUM WITH THE GREAT SUPREME SOUL. BUT YOU HU-MAN DO NOT.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS HU-MAN?
HU: DEMON, MAN: MANKIND. YOU SYNTHETIC MUTANT HYBRID MOVE TO AN AREA AND MULTIPLY MULTIPLY MULTIPLY UNTIL EVERY NATURAL RESOURCE IS CONSUMED. BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SURVIVE IS SPREADING VENOM TO ANOTHER AREA.
WHAT ORGANISM ON THIS PLANET THAT FOLLOWS THE SAME PATTERN?
A VIRUS.
BE PREPARE THE JUDGEMENT.
@Ivarfjeld: This is inflammatory material. Why have you allowed it to be published w/o consulting muslim scholars for historical perspective. The kabbah with its components is a physical sign for muslims to turn towards at the time of prayer where-ever they are in the world, so in-effect every muslim where-ever he is facing the same direction, five times a day. This is a sign of unity. Never in history, the prophet pbuh or his caliphs or arab muslim scholars ever allowed worship of the kabbah with its components. The old jews of arabia worshipped at the kabbah before arabs introduced stone and wood gods inside the kabbah. They were asked to turn to jerusalem. When corruption corrupted the jewish faith, the temple was destroyed twice. The messiah, jesus went inside the temple and overturned the moneylenders tables and threw the rabbis out of the temple. So when islam came 600y later, they were asked to return back to the kabbah, relegating jersusalem.
You forgot to mention that Arabs/ Mulsim worship the moon God, the goddess of sex and fertility. That is her Vagina they are worshiping. On the door of Kaaba there is picture of Moon and the Sun (Gods). The Door of Kaaba faces East, which is to the Moon and sun Rise (God rise from east). The black stone faces south East, which is moon rise with second brightest star. The Moon God has 7 day cycles which matches women PMS, so they thought the God wants blood to give fertility. There were 7 ancient Gods (Sun, Mercury, Venus, Moon, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter). So number 7 again appears. They circulate the Kaaba 7 times because of the 7 Gods. They have to run the first 3 faster and the last 4 slower, because the orbit of those planets are the first 3 faster and the last 4 slower. You can also find pictures of Moon and the Sun inside Kaaba. Kaaba was ancient observatory of Moon, Sun and the rest may be built by Egyptians or Persians to synchronize their troops. It used to show the directions of north, East, west, south. It was oriented to the Sun, such from that from shadow on the north side they could tell the time and season (no one was allowed to walk on the north side). The zam zam water was to the east of it, since Sun and the moon were born of Goddess of water.. Yes Islam is as pagan as can be and Muhammad was a hallucinating, schizophrenic, homosexual, pedophile, killer, liar, which imagined Genies. He copied all the ancient book by the help of his educated slave named “Salman Farsi” or Rozbeh Farsi, an educated Persian magi, who followed the first form of communism called “Mazdak”. Thus in Islam they say everyone is brother and equal, but it is only on the surface, there is no equality in Islam. They have destroyed human rights, women value less than men, Muslims took women and children as sex slaves and started the black slavery to Europe.. X-Muslim!
Interesting. The Catholics seem to have Sun worship, Islam worships the moon and Jews have the stars, Star of “David”. Together they worship the sun moon and stars, the whole host of heaven.
Jeremiah 8:2 They will be exposed to the sun and the moon and all the stars of the heavens, which they have loved and served and which they have followed and consulted and worshiped. They will not be gathered up or buried, but will be like dung lying on the ground.
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