Roman Catholics venerate the heart of a claimed to be saint who died in 1614 A.D.
This heart of “St. Camillus” is kept for adoration and veneration in the Church of St. Mary Magdalene in Rome.
The headquarters of the Camillian Fathers is at Riverstown House, in Killucan in Ireland. From here the Camillian Province in Ireland grew in 1935. The heart of Camillus has also been transported to Poland and Peru for veneration, before it ended up in the Church in Rome. In July the heart was transported to Ireland to be included in Church services.
This is what could be read from a Catholic bulletin this July:
“At 7pm on July 14, Mass will be celebrated by Most Rev. Dr. Michael Smith, Bishop of Meath, and from 10pm later that night to 4am the next morning, a Night Vigil of Gratitude will be observed in the presence of the Heart at the St. Camillus Nursing Centre Chapel”
Source: Catholic Culture.org
My comment:
It is a amazing that Roman Catholics can not see that this is idol worship banned in the Bible:
“A night vigil in presence of a heart?”
Touching the heart, praying before it, and claiming it has healing powers?
I guess this religious rituals correctly should be called “idol worship?”
Some extra information seems to be needed:
How did this heart leave this claimed to be saint in the first place?
Was the heart removed from his body after he died, or before? My best guess is after this Catholic “holy man” had passed away.
If so:
Can anyone come up with a single verse from the Bible, where believers are encourage to collect hearts of diseased people?
And keep them in a glass mounter for 400 years?
It looks like “Camillus heart” in a good Vatican example of grave looting, where the Roman Catholic priests have robbed a body part of a dead person.
Shame on all who brand the Papal made religion as “Christianity”.
First published 1st of September 2010.
Published by Ivar
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Hi Ivar,
Just posted this article on my blog. Thanks!!!
In Him,
Sue
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
The list of sins presented as ‘Holiness” by Rome has no end. But among all the silly things the Vatican priests make Roman Catholics do, this heart worship will surely make it to the Top 10.
Utterly sick and disturbing. All I can think to say.
This bible verse describes it perfectly.
2 Timothy 3
1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
How does this scripture defend relics? Do any of you know? Thanks for any response!
2 Kings 13:21
nd as a man was being buried, behold, a marauding band was seen and the man was thrown into the grave of Elisha, and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived and stood on his feet.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
2 kings 13:21 shows that God of the Bible is sovereign. But to use this verse to make a doctrine of faith, should make us all go to the grave yards, and search for some holy bones.
In the New Covenant, the carpet between the Inner Holy, and Holy items and us is removed. The Temple carpet was torn from top to bottom in the moment Jesus had paid the full atonement for the sins of the whole World.
The Temple is gone, and so are the relics. Our body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. We carry in our hearts the holy presence of God.
Thank you Ivar!
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
This verse from 2 kings do not tell us to take the bones of Elisha home, and put them on the table to be worshiped….
Many people felt that there would be healing powers in the shadow of Peter (Act 5:14), and by touching his garments. That does not mean there will be the same powers in my shadow, or in the garments of all believers.
Absolutely, I might add he touched his body accidentally. Bibles pretty clear on not playing around with dead bodies.
II kings 13:21 By this miracle God confirmed the authority of Elisha, who’s doctrine in his life they rejected, that at this sight they might return and embrace the same doctrine.
Interpretation from Geneva bible interpretations
Mark 15:43; John 19:38 – Joseph of Arimathea sought Christ’s dead body instead of leaving it with the Romans. Joseph gave veneration to our Lord’s body.
Mark 16:1; Luke 24:1 – the women came to further anoint Christ’s body even though it had been sealed in the tomb.
John 19:39 – Nicodemus donated over one hundred pounds of spices to wrap in Jesus’ grave clothes. This is also veneration of our Lord’s body.
Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 – the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
Acts 19:11-12 – Paul’s handkerchiefs healed the sick and those with unclean spirits. This is another example of physical things effecting physical and spiritual cures.
Acts 5:15 – Peter’s shadow healed the sick. This proves that relics of the saints have supernatural healing power, and this belief has been a part of Catholic tradition for 2,000 years.
Rev. 6:9 – the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
2 Kings 13:21 – Elisha’s bones bring a man back to life. The saints’ bones are often kept beneath the altars of Catholic churches and have brought about supernatural cures throughout the Christian age.
Rom. 13:7; Phil. 2:25-29; Heb. 3:3; 1 Pet. 2:7 – we are taught to honor the people of God and in 1 Cor. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 11:1-2; Phil. 3:17; 1 Thess. 1:6; 2 Thess. 3:7; Heb. 6:12; Heb. 13:7; James 5:10-11 – we are reminded to imitate them. Keeping relics of the saints serves both to honor and imitate their heroic faith in Christ (just as keeping articles of deceased loved ones helps us honor and imitate them).
Are all Catholics blinded by the physical things? Plainly Jesus said the woman who touched his cloak was healed solely because she believed in him. The physical world has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
The others all the same, but you’ve got to open your own eyes.
You might want to learn something about this topic before parading your ignorance for everyone to see … Try learning about the earliest Christian martyrs and how their bodies were reverenced, ok?
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12734a.htm
Those are Catholic teachers, of course they will support their traditions.
The authoritative interpreters of the Bible were from the Catholic tradition — and this includes the Council that validated the divine character of the New Testament itself.
We trust those teachers on that, as well as on their interpretation of 2 Kings 13:21.
I can’t help but notice you’ve quoted nothing that Jesus said, is there a reason for that? Do you hear his word?
Dear Ed.
Jesus the King of Kings is the author of the full Bible. He was surely God the Son, also before He came in flesh, born by a Jewish Torah observant virgin. Please rip out the pages that makes your Bible two books. Many people will come and tell us that their “split Bible” contains deleted messages of the Old times, and that the New Testament has brought us a new religion. People who preach like this are false teachers.
Out of the mouth of such deceivers, comes human made religions like the Vatican promoted “Replacement theology” and “Christian humanism”. Jesus of Nazareth warned us about copy-cats that would come in His name.
Creationbydesign,
The Catholic priest is supposed to bow profusely to the “Holy Images” at the altar and also incense the images. That is what the Catholic priests are to do. The Holy Images are statues and pictures of Jesus, baby Jesus, Mary, other Catholic Saints, etc.
Do you know that the bronze snake that Moses had was destroyed because people were burning incense to it?
Why do you think that it would be right for Catholics to incense pictures and statutes but not okay for the Israelites to burn incense to the bronze snake? When the people got bit by a snake they looked to the bronze snake and lived. So it is not okay to burn incense to the bronze snake, then how would you ever get that Catholics do right with burning incense to their made up images?
Where is the fear and love of God that people want to obey Him?
How do people miss this simple command and fool themselves into believing they do right and even good when they venerate objects?
Stop doing what God hates.
Dear Victoria.
Shalom.
I am blessed, having you back as a minister on this site. May Jesus the Messiah use you for His purpose, every minute of your life here on Earth. May the two of us also be able to love and care for one another as students of the King of Kings. Amen.
Thank you, Ivar, you have blessed me so much by what you say here to me, and I am greatly encouraged. It is my desire too, that the two of us always be able to love and care for one another as students of the King of Kings. May everyone know we are Jesus’ disciples by our love for one another. Amen.
creationbydesign,
You may want to take a bible class or two before you post something like this again. You are twisting bible verses to support your sinful views.
You said: Rev. 6:9 – the souls of the martyrs are seen beneath the heavenly altar. Their bones are often placed beneath altars in Catholic churches around the world.
Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: This bible verse refers to the people who have accepted Christ and will die during the tribulation period.
Hi Gloria,
I’m very sure you know virtually nothing about Christian history. You haven’t read the Early Fathers, the history of Christian doctrine or even about the origin of the New Testament itself.
This is true of everything posted on this blog. Ivar claims that he can create his own doctrines.
The only reference point one can have for your view of Christianity is yourself.
Just look at how the verse 2 Kings 13:21 is twisted and rationalized away.
You rely on each other to support a false view of the Bible — but you have zero credibility. Why should anyone listen to what you have to say? You’re just giving opinions which are essentially useless — but you’re claiming (through implication) that they’re infallible doctrine.
No one has a good to accept your claims — especially since you make those claims in ignorance and neglect of historic Christianity.
“Study the Bible”? You can’t do that by merely consulting yourself as an expert and authority — because you are neither. That kind of “study” (which is all you can do) is merely consulting your own opinion and doing whatever you can to support a Protestant view (which someone else taught you) of the Scripture — even when it contradicts the Bible.
At least sueliz could see the inital problem. But she’s asking the wrong source for information. I do understand that she’s just trying to console herself with some pretext of an answer — no matter how fabricated or incoherent it may be.
Creationbydesign,
I’m going to repeat what I said earlier, and take Revelation 6:9 a bible verse you picked.
Your view is twisted. Revelation 6:9 clearly speaks about the tribulation and the people that died because they’ve accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Any true believer of Christ will agree that Revelation 6:9 is of the tribulation saints.
You tell me I know nothing about Christian History. Well, I’ll tell you I know the most important thing: That Jesus Christ died for our sins, and by the blood he shed, we can have everlasting life through him by accepting the great sacrifice he’s done for us. John 3:16 says: For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
But I Thank Jesus Christ My Savior because he warned us in advance.
Romans 16:17-18 I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.
I am one believer of Christ that always adhere’s to the bible, and if it ain’t there, guess what- it’s not true.
God Bless.
Dear Creation by Design.
Shalom, and welcome back to this site of debate.
You wrote:
I’m very sure you know virtually nothing about Christian history. You haven’t read the Early Fathers, the history of Christian doctrine or even about the origin of the New Testament itself.
My comment:
The problem is that Roman Catholics seems to know very little about the Jewish roots of our faith. They reject the Jews as God”s chosen people, has changed the Law, made their own Canon laws, placed a man in Italy they call the “Holy Father”, a name Jesus used on God the Father Him self. All this is wickedness and blasphemy.
The New Testament is all about a Jewish Rabbi named Jesus, that quoted from the Hebrew Bible (called by many “The Old Testament’). There was no New Testament when Jesus walked on Earth. When He read the scriptures in the Jewish Synagogues, He told His Jewish brethren that the scriptures foretold His coming as the Messiah.
Rome has rejected this message. The Vatican has falsified the gospel, made their own religion, using a false “Jesus” that deceives people, and makes them children of the devil. If you do not repent, please remember my warnings to you, the day you find your self outside the Kingdom of Heaven for ever and ever.
Ivfar,
Do you keep the Law? Also, do you know what the term “Judiazer” means (if not, you can Google)? If so, does that describe you?
I wonder if your friends here also keep the Jewish Law, or perhaps they have changed the Law also.
Dear Catholic viper,
The ten commandments are meant to be kept, and the law hasn’t changed. The only way to keep the commandments that pleases God is to understand him. But we cannot understand him fully, our hearts are corrupt, therefore NOBODY can keep the commandments fully. We are only meant to do our best at understanding him and keeping the law. To change the law of the almighty God is bad to do.
Dear Ed.
Who is the person you called “Dear Catholic viper”?
Sorry Ivar, I suspect the Catholic church distorts the meaning of the bible intentionally. But yeah I do not think all Catholics do, I was wrong to say viper.
Dear Ed.
Shalom.
Creation by design is created in the image of God, and is loved by Jesus our Master. I accept your apology. But you should also address your request for forgiveness to the person you have tried to lead towards faith in Him.
Dear Creation by design.
Shalom, and love in the Messiah.
There is no need to get alarmed by Christians who wants to follow the commands of God, unlike Roman Catholics. Most of the commands of God are found in the Hebrew Bible, the Bible that Jesus taught from.
Exodus 20:6
but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.
John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
Rome has made its own set of commands, that can not be found in the Bible. Rome also brand Bible believers as ” Jewish collaborators”. This kind of “Judaizers” held on to the Messianic Jewish faith 400 years before the Roman Emperor and his Pope started to invent a new religion in Italy.
The Church fathers of the reformed Church, all of them, called the Pope for an antichrist. In thousands such students of Jesus, were beheaded or burnt at stake, on the command of the Italian “Holy Father”.
Let me underline that man shall live by faith in Jesus alone, and that sinners are saved by His mercy and grace: Alone.
I will bet 10 dollars, more if I needed more money, the compromise between Rome and the Jewish people will include changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
Dear Ed.
To gamble is sin….And the Biblical Sabbath in starting at sunset around 6 pm, Friday Evening.
Ed,
Again, Ivar has already proclaimed that he creates his own doctrine. That is logical and consistent. He reads the Bible, and then makes up his doctrine.
When I asked for a source for his doctrine, he said I could go to any Christian bookstore.
You have referenced “Geneva” as a source for an authoritative interpretation of the Scripture.
Why should I accept John Calvin’s opinion on this matter? I can’t see that he has any special authority. He just made up doctrines like Ivar does.
Dear Creation by design.
Shalom
You wrote:
Why should I accept John Calvin’s opinion on this matter? I can’t see that he has any special authority. He just made up doctrines like Ivar does.
My reply:
I do not know if I am worthy of such an honor.
Nobody is perfect, try all things, Ivar does his best. There is an advantage to reading the bible with the benefit of comprehension. However the heart is decietful and does not always allow you to believe every word is true. Therefore we screw up sometimes but do our best.
He also said if you understood everything he said you would be like him. And the Father has said he does not mix truth with error. I sort of recall him saying Satan mixes truth with lies. Now Satan said two things in the garden of Eden. You shall not surely die, eat of this fruit and ye shall be as Gods. Get with the program…
Sorry about the viper comment, I see now that you are trying to understand.
I didn’t say the Geneva bible was authoritative for Bible interpretation. If you study hard you won’t need anyones opinion for bible interpretation. Yes, I was lazy to use that interpretation, had only read the one verse, but it was far better than playing with corpses.
“The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy” If you can prophesize the future correctly you understand.
Also, you know how people say that the Bible is full of contradictions? God doesn’t mix truth with lies, so when the contradictions stop contradicting each other you know your on to something.
Creationbydesign,
You said: Again, Ivar has already proclaimed that he creates his own doctrine. That is logical and consistent. He reads the Bible, and then makes up his doctrine. When I asked for a source for his doctrine, he said I could go to any Christian bookstore.
My Comment: In case you didn’t realize, in simple terms Ivar said to pick up the Holy Bible, and read up on what is the truth. What Ivar has quoted was strictly in the bible. What you have done is taken a bible verse, and twisted it to suit your own need.
You posted: Matt. 9:21; Mark 5:28 – the woman with the hemorrhage just sought the hem of Christ’s cloak and was cured. This shows that God uses physical things to effect the supernatural.
You truly believe that God used a cloak to heal a sick woman? A cloak?
This is the entire verses of that section.
A Dead Girl and a Sick Woman
18While he was saying this, a ruler came and knelt before him and said, “My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live.” 19Jesus got up and went with him, and so did his disciples.
20Just then a woman who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years came up behind him and touched the edge of his cloak. 21She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed.”
22Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.” And the woman was healed from that moment.
23When Jesus entered the ruler’s house and saw the flute players and the noisy crowd, 24he said, “Go away. The girl is not dead but asleep.” But they laughed at him. 25After the crowd had been put outside, he went in and took the girl by the hand, and she got up. 26News of this spread through all that region.
NOTICE verse 22 where Jesus says: “Take heart, daughter,” he said, “your faith has healed you.”
HER FAITH IN CHRIST healed her. Not the cloak, HER FAITH IN CHRIST.
I truly hope from the bottom of my heart Jesus touches your heart, and you see the error of your ways, and repent. God Bless.
Ed,
I will thank Ivar for asking why you called me a “viper”. I don’t think name-calling is right. It certainly won’t win me over to your point of view.
Ivar,
John Calvin was guilty of beheading and burning at the stake thousands of people who didn’t agree with his opinions.
Perhaps you would like us all to have something like Calvin’s Geneva, a totalitarian police state?
That might make a very interesting blog post for you. Provide some descriptions of Protestants murdering other Protestants. Then explain that the “good guys” were the ones who agreed with Calvin’s opinions and the bad guys deserved to die.
Dear Creation by design
Shalom, and thanks for making this site an interesting place of debate.
Who said “protestant’s” are true followers of Jesus of Nazareth? We who believe in Jesus base our faith up on Him. We listen to His voice, and we follow Him.
During the Reformation, there were surely committed crimes in both “camps”. Both Catholics and Lutherans were killing each other. And both of them agreed that Baptists were worthy of being slaughtered by both the major camps. Because they re-baptized Catholics, Calvinists and Lutherans.
Rome was the strongest political power of these days. Without the support of powerful princes of North Germany, even Martin Luther would have ended his life as a headless man.
Perhaps you could create some blog posts to explain why they are not.
Those who follow the path of the original Protestants remain Protestants today.
When I asked where I could find the doctrines you made up for yourself, you told me to seek them in a Protestant bookstore.
Now, perhaps you don’t like the fact that you have merely copied what the first Protestants claimed — and really didn’t make up your own doctrines.
This blog says it more clearly than anything. Without the Catholic Faith, you would have little to talk about. You wouldn’t have a religion, that’s for certain.
So much of your time and focus is on Catholicism — and nothing about the greatness of your own religious views. I find nothing attractive about your religious views — because it’s mostly about opposition and protest.
You’re a classic Protestant, and you’ve inhereted the same hatred of Catholicism that they had. You disagree with other Protestants on major issues, but that doesn’t matter — as long as you agree that Catholicism is to be opposed or “protested” against.
Again, I find that this has little to do with Christianity and much to do with your own personal animosity. As such, it’s not really that interesting, as I see it.
Dear Creation by design.
Shalom.
You will find a category on this blog named ” false Christianity”. There you will find critical articles about the World Council of Churches (WCC). This is a protestant ecumenical body. I do also warn about teachers of the prosperity Gospel, that is a corrupt version of the truth.
In regards to the remark about “protestant bookstores”, I have to guide you towards Protestant Bibles and supporting literature. The Bibles of “the protestants” have at least deleted the false books included in the Roman Catholic “bibles”.
In regards to the word ‘protestant”, 95 per cent of the people using this word, do not have a clue of the origin of this word. The term “follower of Jesus” is a better one. You are, or you are not.
Let me remind you that Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic priest. I have hardly come across any Catholic who have been told this by their priests.
Creation by design,
You said: So much of your time and focus is on Catholicism — and nothing about the greatness of your own religious views.
Ivar earlier wrote: John 14:21
Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.”
I’d say that’s a huge greatness on his view. He believes in Christ Our Savior, and yet your catholic churches place great view on Mary, forming her into a statue worthy of praise. And though she gave birth to Christ, she was still a sinner, but praise God born again through the blood of Christ.
The bible is clear on idols.
Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom.
Thanks for quoting the Bible verses in context. What you write about idol worship is true. The Bible explains that those who make images worthy of human praise, become worthless in the eye of God. If they do not repent, their final destination will be Hell.
Apology accepted, Ed. Thank you.
I am new here , I was seeking to see if there was truth here but there is not, only Catholic haters and bitterness to all things Catholic. Perhaps this is because the Catholic Church is the only Church to be established by Jesus. In truth if you hate his church then you hate Him who made it. I will pray for you that your hate and wickedness may not take you to the grave. Peace.
Pilgrim: I read this site after searching for some deeper meaning to a quote from St. Camillus only to find people who are so righteous they somehow can judge the other. I am surprised people so well versed in there own beliefs, or scripture interpretations lack the knowledge that others can also have another interpretation or thought process. Everyone will go back to dust and we all can not be right in our own beliefs, so true belief to me is knowing that I don’t know it all but i do know Jesus is the person that will be my savior. Anyone against one religion, individual or belief is truly missing out on the opportunity to enlighten or share there information rather than judge or condemn them. “But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous.”
Matthew 5:44-45
Yes, its improper
There is nothing, in Catholic teaching, to justify the statement that the Church encourages belief in a magical virtue, or physical curative efficacy residing in the relic itself .
A relic is an object, such as a piece of clothing or, more commonly, a piece of bone from a saint’s body, which has spiritual value because it belonged to one of God’s saints.
The teaching of the Catholic Church with regard to the veneration of relics is summed up in a decree of the Council of Trent (Sess. XXV),
“the holy bodies of holymartyrs and of others now living with Christ—which bodies were the living members of Christ and ‘the temple of the Holy Ghost’ (1 Corinthians 6:19) and which are by Him to be raised to eternal life and to be glorified are to be venerated by the faithful, for through these [bodies] many benefits are bestowed BY GOD ON MEN”[…] “in the invocation of saints the veneration of relics and the sacred use of images, every superstition shall be removed and all filthy lucre abolished.”
Scriptural sources:
2 Kings 13:21: “Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.”
Sirach 48.14 “For him no task too difficult; was not his dead body prophetic still”
Exodus 13:19 and Joshua 24:32 : veneration shown to the bones of Joseph
If the clothes, the kerchiefs(Acts 19:12), if the shadow of the saints (Acts 5:15), before they departed from this life, banished diseases and restored strength, God wonderfully works the same by the sacred ashes, the bones, and other relics of the saints.
Few points of faith can be more satisfactorily traced back to the earliest ages ofChristianity than the veneration of relics. The classical instance is to be found in the letter written by the inhabitants of Smyrna, about 156, describing the death of St. Polycarp.