Obama compare ISIL with Pope’s crusades

“During the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ”.

Obama use the violent past of the Papacy, to justify the present violence of Muslims.
Obama use the violent past of the Papacy, to justify the present violence of Muslims.

These are the words of President Obama. The presidents remarks comparing ISIL militants to medieval Christian crusaders ignited a firestorm of criticism on Thursday, ABC News wanted to know:

How accurate is that comparison?

“Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ,” the president told an audience at the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday.

Meanwhile, historians have been quick to discourage a link between ISIL and the Crusaders, who fought to reclaim holy lands in the Middle East nearly 900 years ago.

“I don’t think the president knows very much about the crusades,” Thomas Madden, a historian at the University of St. Louis, told ABC News.

“He seems to be casting them as an example of a distortion of Christianity and trying to compare that to what he sees as a distortion of Islam in the actions of ISIL,” Madden said. “The initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that been conquered, due to Muslim conquests.”

The Crusades, which began in 1095 with the call of Pope Urban II to recover Jerusalem from Muslim rule, were a series of wars that lasted nearly two centuries. Although no reliable estimate of casualties caused by Crusaders exists, the massacre of over 2,700 Muslim prisoners by Richard the Lionheart outside Acre during the Third Crusade has been well documented and is remembered in the Middle East to this day.

Thomas Asbridge, a historian at the University of London, said in a statement to ABC News,

“It is true to say, that by modern standards, atrocities were committed by crusaders, as they were by their Muslim opponents, it is however, far less certain that, by medieval standards, crusading violence could be categorized as distinctly extreme in all instances.”

Asbridge said he doesn’t have a problem with the president reminding the world that the Christian Church “advocated violence, and at times even encouraged its adherents to engage in warfare” but to suggest a causal link between ISIL and the distant medieval phenomenon of the Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”

Source: Washington Post

My comment:

Obama is right when he claims that the Pope is responsible for horrible crimes. Particularly during the crusades and during the Inquisition.

The essential question would be:

Is the Pope a Christian by simply claiming to be one?

The answer is absolutely not.

How do we know?

Because the Bible tell us so.  The Papacy has been behind murders of millions of people. First and foremost Bible obeying Christians, and Jews who refused to be converted to Catholicism. But also Muslims in their tens of thousands, during the crusades and the Papal slaughter of Muslims living in India in 1498 A.D onwards. Jesus the Messiah told us to bless and not harm anyone. Even to bless our enemies, and those who hate us.  The Pope is just one of many misuser of the name of “Christ”.  Through the ages the crimes of the Papacy have come to us unlimited. Even today the evils are exposed. Just ask thousands of altarboys who have been raped by the Roman Catholic priesthood.

 

Luke 6:27-28
“But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you. Bless those who curse you, and pray for those who mistreat you.

Be aware that Obama is not attacking the Papacy to explain that the Pope is no true Christian. But rather to justify certain Islamic violence, because followers of “Christ” have done the same.

If a Muslim crippels and kill for “allah”, will he still be a Muslim?

Absolutely. Because an Arab named Muhammad called all Muslims to fight Jihad. To take territories by force. If required, violence shall be used to make the whole world live in submission.

How do we know?

Because the Koran tells us so. There are more than 160 verses in the Koran, that call all Muslims to fight Jihad. When they refuse to do so, they are slaughtered by their own brethren. We can all see that Muslims shout “allahUakbar” when they commit barbarian crimes against humanity.

By his statement, Obama helps the Islamic state to get legitimacy. Like the White House rebrading of Taliban as an “armed insurgency”, the Islamic State will also be rebranded as a “violent moverment” with elements of justificable acts of revange against Western imperialism. The logic of Obama is:  Since the Pope can use violence, so can we, the Muslims.

Written by Ivar

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116 thoughts on “Obama compare ISIL with Pope’s crusades

  1. What bothers me the most is that they are calling Catholic’s Christians. They are not. They are members of a church that headed the crusades and killed true Christians. They took their property. This is not unlike Islam. Convert or die. Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now is my kingdom not from hence.” John 18:36. Besides that fact the Rome has a different jesus, and not the Jesus of the Bible. Now we know that no one group killed Jesus. He laid His life down, 1 John 3:16. The apostate Jews delivered Jesus to Pilot. The apostate church will deliver the ‘true church’ in the same way. The true church is compiled of Jews and Gentiles who are ‘born again’ by believing the gospel. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 The apostates are not born again. They are climbing up some other way.

    1. Dear nannette

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Thanks for this comment.

      Obama calls the Pope “a Christian”, for his own benefits. In a bid to equalise all religions and unite them.
      Orthodox Jews calls the Pope “a Christian”, to blame the evils of Rome towards the Jews on the “Christian Jesus”.
      Secular humanists call the Pope “a Christian”, because the Pope is their very proof that there can not be “a Jesus”. They claim there is no God.

      In this way, the name of Jesus the Messiah is being mocked and blasphemed against. The man of lawlessness in the Vatican is truly an antichrist in the flesh.

  2. Also at the National Prayer breakfast, NASCAR driver Darrell Waltrip warns Obama and company, “If you don’t know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are going to HELL”.

  3. Sadly Obama was correct in his statements……….

    The Knights of Columbus are a group within the Catholic Church. They are not the elite of the Church but are common everyday men who have pledged loyalty to the RCC. I will copy below the pledge they take when joining the K of C and you tell me if it’s any less evil than what the Muslims are aspiring to do. I am an x-catholic who finds this pledge and the rest of the non-biblical evil the RCC puts forth as pure demonic evil. I will also copy the pledge the Jesuits take as well. These pledges have probably been copied here on this site many times before but what these people stand for needs to be displayed often and not forgotten. They are the same horse in a different color. Note…..You have to scroll past the Jesuit pledge to get to the Knights of Columbus pledge.

    First time posting to your site Ivar……..keep up the good work and keep shining the light of biblical truth on this extreme demonic evil they call the RCC

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jesuits.htm

  4. I think there is room in the scriptures that those just driving race cars, not really getting involved in religion are not surely going to hell. Mark 9:40 “for whoever is not against us is for us.”

    Teaching that the bible says they do seems like a persecution in itself, perhaps twisting scripture, making the religion seem mean and intolerant. Hell is more often associated for those who persecuted Jesus and His church, and those who twist scripture.

  5. OOOOOOH Nannette, catholic bashing,that warms GODS heart .They are no worse than any other religion that has emerged since the conception and birth of Jesus.yes u are a true loving all knowing christian keep telling yourself that,click your heels 3 times an repeat theres no place like home

    1. Dear ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Exposing the evils of the Papacy, is not “Catholic bashing”. Truth shall prevail. That many Catholics feel bashed, can be understood. It is always painful to make a U-turn, when you feel you are on the right track.

      Those who expose the Papacy is in fact doing all Roman Catholics a great favour. We love you enough to expose this antichrist in the flesh. May Jesus the Messiah have mercy on your souls. Amen.

  6. Dear ivarfjeld,whos truth?as i have said before the true teachings and words of Jesus have been corrupted by man and no doubt his apostles from the beginning.YOU have the hide to say you do a favour to the RC’s by exposing the Papacy!!!WE are all aware of the weakness of the Papacy and the role in which the pope sits,but again you must show your arrogance by placing yourself above others. may i ask which bible or sciptures you read, what church or community gatherings you attend ,have you been a “true christian” all your life or a convert

    1. Sorry to interject but this is not a private forum. I think the truth is that the words of Jesus are not so corrupted. They were put on a shelf and the teachers taught whatever their own minds came up with. That is the explanation from the makers of the movie Luther, and I have also seen it in my own church. I went to a bible study and eventually the preacher leading the bible study admitted that he didn’t know the bible very well.

      Further evidence is, the scriptures were forbidden to be translated into common languages. If the scriptures themselves were corrupted there would have been no need to hide them with the Latin language.

    2. Dear ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You asked:

      Whos truth?

      My reply:

      You are most likely a Christian if:
      1. You only pray in the name of Jesus.
      2. You do consider the Bible, alone, to be the highest authority in all matters related to the Christan faith.
      3 You do not claim any created being to be sinless nor infailable.

      Can we agree on this truth?

      1. ivarfjeld/NANNETTE ,have you really looked at what i have said in relation to the Catholic church and the corruption of the scriptures by man?Nannette your bitterness at the church is a sin within its self love one another as i have loved you as for the pope most catholic’s do not see the pope as god he is a mere figurehead .The roman empire ruled in that time and with the emergence of the christian faith after Christ’s crucifixion there was still much need for christian followers to practice in private,In 312AD constantine became the first christian emperor following the Nicene creed.at that time he made practice of christian faith acceptable so that people would not be put to death for being christian.As one could imagine pre 1050 AD papal selection was made through the emperor and in time as faith gained power so did the papacy.after all one must must control the masses! Nannette you have not said what your religion is but have judge me for mine.as i have said religion is a super market,so many offshoots claiming to know there truth all sharing the same egotistical believe that god favors them above others.PS when and at what age did you recieve the holy spirit Nannette?

  7. Rommgirl, “And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER OF GOD.” Exodus 31:18. “Then the Lord delivered to me two tablets of stone WRITTEN WITH THE FINGER of God, and on them were all the words which the Lord had spoken to you on the mountain f rom the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly. ” Dueteronomy 9:10. “What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God.” Romans 3:1&2. The dead sea scrolls were found, they looked at our scriptures and they say there is little difference. The Jews did a great job keeping them accurate! When you say the scriptures are corrupted, then you have no salvation. Because it is through the scriptures that we find the gospel. 1 Corinthians 14:1-4. If you don’t believe the Bible and what it says then how can you be saved yourself.

  8. Hi Ed, i don’t want to seem dismissive of your view,but how accurate is that movie about the monk /ex catholic martin Luther,who was obviously disgruntled with the church went and rewrote the bible in his own interpretation,it also rose him in status,yet another splintered religious group begins.If we look back to the Romans and there excepting Christianity ,we can assume that Latin would have been spoken rather than Aramaic,also most people had little if any ability to read or write at that time and in the 1400’s a right of the scribe’s,hierarchy’s etc.only the affluent could access knowledge through books etc,I am not saying that the scriptures are corrupt in themselves it is mans literal interpretation of them over the hundreds of years that they have been written and rewritten,so there i say who’s truth.Ivarfjeld as part of the catholic faith we have Baptism,holy communion, and conformation ,all apart of excepting Jesus as the one true Messiah giving our hearts and soul to him this begin’s at Baptism etc

    1. Accurate enough to call him an ex catholic monk. It’s not much of a stretch to think he was capable of translating scriptures from Latin to German. Amazing that he had the stones to do it in a time when it could have cost him his life, which is what they claim he did.
      You can still see today how Catholic Priests will sometimes speak in Latin to impress the audience, who have no clue what the priests are saying. The words of the Apostle Paul make sense to me. To Speak so that others can understand, otherwise you’re like a resounding gong or a tinkering symbol, no good for the edification of the church.

    2. Rommgirl, Luther was much more than your dismissive descriptive, “monk/ex-caltholic”. He was a Biblical scholar and what he knew was that the Roman church was in serious error on many accounts. Disgruntled? I think he was full of shock and horror when he first visited Rome and saw the corruption of the Papacy there.

      You say: “…we can assume that Latin would have been spoken rather than Aramaic,also most people had little if any ability to read or write at that time and in the 1400’s a right of the scribe’s,hierarchy’s etc.only the affluent could access knowledge through books etc,…”

      And who or what is responsible for that darkness that fell over Europe for the 1,000 years of Papal rule over and with the crowned heads of Europe? Perpetuating ignorance of the Scriptures was part of the plan to keep men in thrall. Satan himself inspires men to seek power over other men and the Papacy has been part of Satan’s power structure from its beginning. When you attend the Roman church, you help to perpetuate a lying and unjust system.

  9. Al lapsed one yes,i do not dispute the word of god and it is he who will decide if i am worthy of his salvation! and may i ask your religion please refrain from using the term true christian if poss

    1. If you are a “…lapsed” Catholic, in the eyes of the Roman church, you are apostate and will go to hell without repentance and a return to regular worship in a Roman church. Had your knowledge of the Scripture been what it should be (and the Roman church is still today hiding Scriptural truth from its parishioners) you would understand that it is possible to KNOW that you are on the way to heaven. (see the Apostle John’s First Epistle–1 John).

  10. In 50 yrs of interaction and attending many a mass i have never heard it said in Latin all but once in a requiem mass in the 70’s where do hear the mass said ED, I am in australia

    1. Luther must have taken the wind out of those sails. I’m not a Catholic,but in all the Dracula movies the priests use Latin to smite the count. I think we agree with the Apostle Paul ,and the scriptures of the bible, that is is good for those speaking to speak so that others can understand. Ahh, The uncorrupted simple beauty of the scriptures…

  11. What would you do if you discovered many of the teachings of Roman Catholicism are opposed the Bible? Would you choose to believe the Word of God or the words of men? It is impossible to believe both. (Paragraph numbers in parenthesis are from the new Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1994). AUTHORITY: The Bible teaches Scripture has authority over the church. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness” 2 Timothy 3:16. CATHOLICISM teaches the Church has the authority over Scriptures. The manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Chruch…to the Pope and to the bishops (100,119). JUSTIFICATION: The Bible teaches man is justified by faith and justification provides a permanent right standing before God and results in glorification. See Romans 8:30. “To the man who does not work, but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.” Romans 4:5. CATHOLICISM teaches man is justified repeatedly by sacraments and works because he loses the grace of justification each time a mortal sin is committed. The sacrament of Penance offers a new possibility to convert and to recover the grace of justification. (1446) REGENERATION: The Bible teaches man is regenerated by the Holy Spirit. For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body. See 1 Corinthians 12:13. “from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.” See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Titus 3:5. CATHOLISICIM teaches water baptism is the sacrament of regeneration (1213). The water of Baptism truly signifies our birth into the divine life. (694). SALVATION: The Bible teaches man is saved by God’s unmerited favor (grace). “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not form yourselves, it is the gift of God, not by works, so that no one can boast. See Ephesians 2:8&9. CATHOLISM teaches man is saved by meriting the graces needed for salvation. We can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for the attainment of eternal life (2010). The Bible teaches man is saved for good works. “For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” See Ephesians 2:10. Catholicism teaches man is saved by good works, in this way they attain their own salvation and cooperate in saving their brothers (1477). So far you can see that what the Bible says, and what the church teaches is different. Revelation 22:18&19 says, “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Truly faith come by hearing and believing the truth. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that who so ever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16. You can’t add to the gospel. Jesus died to set you free, He was resurrected the third day and now He is in heaven sitting at the right hand of the Father. (Proclaiming the gospel, evangelist Mike Gendron)

    1. What would you do if you discovered Islam is ready to behead you for being Christian?

      Now, instead of a rising all powerful bankrupt Pope, imagine Iran getting the nuke and using it, as they will?

      Just imagine!

      Roman Catholics, tge Vatican and the Pope will be the least of your worries!

      Just imagine the rising head of Islam Beast, the Caliphate!

      Jus imagine a Mahdi ordering two billion Muslims to make war against Christians.

      Just imagine Iran nuking Saudi Arabia in one hour!

      Just imagine, you were wrong all this time and Islam, not are Pope, is the Beast John and Daniel were taking about!

      Now wake up because it is TOO LATE!

      1. Why not shun both of them and still have room for one more? The Beast, the false prophet and the man of sin. Which one is which matter so much?

      2. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        Your claim on “Muslims killing Caholics”, and this blog hiding or denying this, is based on your lack of reading of this blog. You presume, and you accuse.

        The truth is that there is hardly any Christians left in Iraq, Turkey and Syria. They have all been butchered by the sons of Muhammad since the Ottoman slaughter of Armenian Christians started in 1915.

        Also During the Bush family and Blair’s campaigns in Iraq, Christians were massacred.

        Who do you think local Muslims in Iraq killed first when they saw bombs from “Christian” London and Washington D.C destroying their towns and livelyhood?

        Today, 0,02 per cent of Iraqis are Evangelical Christians. Inside the Islamic Republic of Iran there are no official records on the numbers of Christians.

        The Roman Catholic Church has survived the attack on Christians by the Turks, the Assyrians and Iraqis. Simply by being in submission to the sons of Muhammad. The Pope and his bishops’s have been a part of a huge compromise, that accept the Muslims as brothers, and a part of “god’s” plan for salvation.

        With the Islamic state, all seems to have changed. Not only are the Muslim elite in Iraq and Syria slaughtered. Also their fellow co-workers of the West, hired by the Western forces are crippled and killed. For Iraqis and Assyrians, they represent nations that have enslaved, bombed and crippled millions of Muslims in colonial wars, and during the post-Colonial grab of their oil resources. The Islamic uprising feel the pain of the evils of the Catholic bishops, who always have been a part of their opression. Now it seems to be time for revenge.

        Jesus the Messiah, still have some witnesses in this area. But most of them faced martyrdom long time back, during the days the Catholic bishop in Baghdad wined and dined with wicked men like Saddam Hussein. Just like Catholic bishops wined and dined with Mussolini and Hitler. Nothing has changed. The deception is on, and you are a part of it!.

        Since I presume you like to read this blog, I have attached a link below.

        https://ivarfjeld.com/2011/01/19/terrorized-christians-flee-iraq/

      3. While Pope-Antichrist believers predict and nothing happens but then opposite, the Islamic paradigm scholars predicted the rise of Islam exactly as is happening now. They even predicted back in the 60’s the fall of Iraq and Syria, exactly as it happened. How can the be so correct? Because they use the Bible only and a correct interpretation that focus on Israel and none a bit in Rome. The enemies of Israel are Muslims as prophecied. Iran is the wounded ram of Daniel and that baby ram, Medo-Persa is today a baby ram, a lamb, with two leaders, the Ayatollah and the coming Mahdi, to be revealed as soon as Iran, the red horseman, gets the “big sword”, i.e. the nuke!!!

        How can they predicted ISIS? The Caliphate so exactly? While everyone else kept watching for a rising bankrupt Pope?

        How can every single prediction of Islamic paradigm scholars like Joel is always 100% correct? http://www.joelstrumpet.com

        Next is Turkey!!! It will break into provinces as needed for Gig and Maggog to come from the North – Turkey! Turkey will be radicalized and will fall to Islam as Egypt temporarily did but Turkey will be a permanent fall to Shariah!

        The Antichrist is NOT the Pope but The Mahdi, with two billion Muslim followers ready to harras, persecute and attack Christians. Do not believe me? Go to Detroit and see for yourself what his army can do. The Catholics will never go around killing Christians but Muslims are just waiting for their marching orders!

      4. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        The Catholics will never go around killing Christians but Muslims are just waiting for their marching orders!

        My comment:

        You live in great ignorace to history. Are you aware that the Globe is more than 100 years of age?

        During the Colonial heights of Spain and Portugal, the Pope split the New world into two. On half was going to be captured by the Spaniards, and gifted to the Papacy. The other half to be captured by holy orders given to the King of Portugal.

        In Indonesia, the forces of the two rival Catholic kingdoms meet. By a funny coinsidence, Brazil fell into the domane of the Portuguese, the only part of Latin America that is not Spanish. Just look at some ancient maps and get some wisdom. In the USA, the Pope failed. Still Los Angeles and San Diego were parts of his domain, for some time.

        The robbery, slaughter and opression of the Papal forces came unlimited. The people living in these colonies still suffer in the post-Colonial age. The large majority live in poverty, under dictatorships, and have not fully recived healing from the pain, agony and crimes committed by the missionaries and officers of the Pope.

        Millions of rebellious people who refused to accept these papal butchers were arrested, persecuted and killed. The world saw 400 years of darkness, opression and “Holy inquisition”.

        Why has the Papacy changed?

        This strategy did not work. The Reformation lead to a huge exodus in Northern Europe, British America (USA and Canada), and other reformed Christian nations. The powers of the Papacy dwindled, and did not recover until the rise of Fascism.

        Is stead of killing Muslims, Christians and Jews, the Pope tries to intermingle with them to get to the top of the Babylonian pyramide. After Mussolini and Hitler failed to elevate the Papacy to the seat of the High priest of the World, The Vatican II in 1965 set up a new regime. Its called Ecumenialism. That all Christians who are not Roman Catholics, are not heretics, but separated bretheren. For the Pope to be able to “unite all”, the Islamic state seems to do the required dirty work.

        WAKE UP..!!!!

      5. Only naive people will think that just because the Pope killed 6,000 people hundred of years ago that means they will do it again!

        Babylon, Medo-Persa, Egypt, Egypt, etc also killed and persecuted Jews. Those that mean they will do it again?

        Germany persecuted Jews, those that mean Hitler will resurrect again? That is exectly what Worldwide Church of God (Herbet Armstrong) still believe!

        To think that the bankrupt Vatican will persecute and behead Christians again just because they did it in the past is to choose to be foolish.

        There is absolutely no mentioning nor inference to Rone in the Bibkr in ant way shape or form. Unless you think the Bible was written for the Western world by Western people. Fact: the Bible was written by Jews/Hebrews to a Jew/Hebrew audience.

        Satan NEEDS the Church to wait for a rising Pope so he can use Islam as his tool right under the Churches nose.

        We are in the End Times not in “past history” times. ISLAM is here to stay and dominate a sleeping world deceived by ignorant church leaders.

        When Iran gets the nuke, as prophecied in Revelation, then the Pope will be immaterial to the new world cresrd by a nuclear Iran. Iran, says the Bible, will actually “descend nuclear fire from heaven”, into the big mother of paganism – MECCA- the capital of the largest pagan religion in the world – Islam.

        ISIS is the rising beast. Islam will change from Sunny to Shia to a “new” version, the ISIS version. Allah adds up to 666. Daniel said “they will be Arabs”. Daniel 2:43 Strong’s 6151 mix = Arabs
        http://bi……Edited. No external links permitted. Editor. om/hebrew/6151.htm

        It is all very clear if you CHOOSE to see it!

      6. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        To think that the bankrupt Vatican will persecute and behead Christians again just because they did it in the past is to choose to be foolish.

        My reply:

        You said it!..Bankrupt beheader. I would rather say very rich but low lying snakes. Do not declear them innocent. The blood of the Christian martyrs are on their hands.

        You are correct. The infailable Pope and his religious movement seems to have close to nothing to do with Christanity. A snake that bites, is very likely to bit again….Both John the Baptist and Jesus called such religious people “brood of vipers”…

  12. So many Catholic haters…..Obama, muslims, Jews, protestants, ivarjfeld and all on this blog. I’m scared to think what your ‘ heaven ‘ is like.

  13. Ann, you are wrong! We are trying to tell the truth. There is NO salvation in the pope or in what the Catholic Church teaches. We don’t want you to go to hell. You have 2 choices. Believe the gospel or go to hell. That is it. There is NO purgatory. And even if there was why in the world would you choose to go there? You are the one making the choice no one else. “Moreover brethren (says Paul), I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By WHICH ALSO YOU ARE SAVED if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believe in vain (without cause). For I delivered unto your first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to THE SCRIPTURES.” Believe this or perish. I did not say it God did.

  14. Nannette,your comment to Ann shows your vanity and ego,not what god would expect of you,judge not least thee be judged PS i do not practice the catholic doctrine no one preachers the word of god to me,no evangelist,no priest and no pope rules over me I am free ‘in gods love

    1. The must attach Catholics and defend Islam!

      I bet you will not find in here that Islam is killing Catholics anywhere in this blog!

      Why?

      Because facts does not fit their erroneous agenda: Pope-Antichrist interpretation.

      The truth is that even Catholics are being persecuted by the rising Islamic beast!

      1. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You live in error, and you do the dirty work of the Jesuit’s. You are totally wrong. This blog have written about the Islamic state killing Muslims. Both the butchers and victims are Muslims.

        The leaders of the claimed new Caliphat, slaughter their own brethren. The dead Muslim, slaughetered by Muslims, are not persecuted, crippled and killed for their rightheousness. Nor are they saved.

        Since the Muslims slaughter their own worshipers of “allah”, they obviously do not mind killing Catholics. That a Catholic is slaughtered by a son of Muhammad, do not make this Catholic rightheous. Nor is he saved.

        For the Pope and you, these killings serve the prupose of rallying the globe into the One World Religion. Presently, media and global leaders say it is the World against the Islamic state. All people who fear for their life in the flesh, including the large majority of Muslims, will be rallied into the clutches of the Papacy. Soon to be branded as the gross peace broker, and the very “prince of peace”. Truly an antichrist in the flesh.

    2. ROMMGIRL, you are misapplying Scripture. When you say, “…judge not least thee be judged…” you are leaving out the most important part of Jesus’ teaching on judging–that we will be judged by the same standard that we use to judge others. When the Bible is your standard, then you have nothing to fear from the judgment of God. We are CHARGED with judging truth and error (Jude 3) and sin in Christ’s Church—based on the word of God. (see 1 Cor. 5:11). We are also charged with WARNING those who have departed from Biblical truth. Not warning in the sense that WE will do anything to harm you (would that the Papacy had refrained from such) but that God Himself WILL, for denying the truth of Scripture (as the Roman church has done on many occasions) and betraying His Son in doing so.

  15. Why don’t you both go somewhere else if you think we are haters? We won’t believe your doctrine. The Bible says , “judge righteous judgment”. John 7:24. It is not me judging it is God’s word that judges the works and words of man. The Word is Jesus. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1

  16. Nannette, i don’t think ur a hater nor am i trying to enforce any doctrine on you as i said read what i have said it is this type of self righteousness that has fractured unity ie islam against anyone who does not agree with them

  17. I want to be in a heaven with Holy Mary, the saints….like St.Joseph, Blessed Mother Theresa, Popes of peace…like John Paul, Benedict XV & XVI, and Francis; Popes of courage like Peter, and Pope Leo, who rode out to confront Attila the Hun…armed with a cross….ready to sacrifice himself for his flock.
    I want to be in a heaven with St. Nichlaus (Santa Claus), St. Valentine,(who was martyred for marrying Catholics, St. Patrick., who despite being enslaved by the Irish, went back in love to teach them about Our Lord’s love.
    It would be like forever celebrations.

    You guys can spend your heaven with Obama, and all the Catholic haters like Ivarjfeld and some of the bloggers on this site, jews, protestants, satan etc. Good luck!

    1. Obama was the Catholic choice. I could tell by how they put that circle behind his head during his campaign. First place Obama went after being Elected was to meet the Queen, then the Pope then run off to bow before the Muslims. I think what you’ve got is all the rich conspired against the poor masses. And the rich control the media, also the stories the media tells, such as Santa Claus who promotes the love of stuff i.e Idolatry, Satans Claws.

      1. That is why Obama is persecuting Catholic priests and forcing them to sell birth pills and condoms, right?

        How much wrong can you be?

        Wake up: Islam hates Catholics, that is why they behead them. Had you notice how Christians hide the fact that Islam is beheading Catholics? Wonder why? It does not fit their wrong Pope-Antichrist interpretation.

    2. Dear Ann.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      You guys can spend your heaven with Obama, and all the Catholic haters like Ivarjfeld and some of the bloggers on this site, jews, protestants, satan etc. Good luck!

      My reply:

      For heavens sake. Is Obama going to be there..?.!!!…(Please excuse me for my outburst).

      There are some few requirements for those who desire to be saved. They need to submit to basic knowledge, more or less like ABC.
      1. Only Jesus can save you.
      2. Only the blood of Jesus can give a man atonement (forgiveness) for his sins.
      3. Only the Bible tell you the truth, about who Jesus was, is and forever will be.

      So to the negative news, for all who think there are other ways to heaven.
      1. The Pope can not save you.
      2. Prayer to Catholic saints can not save you.
      3. If you pray in any other name than Jesus, you are not a Christian, but a blasphemer who will not be saved.
      4. The traditions of the Roman Catholic Church can not save a single soul.

      So repent, or perish.

  18. Amen Ivar! The Bible also says they must believe Jesus is God. I also want to say that what Ed said has merit. They do portray Obummer with a halo behind his head. People in the Unite States are calling him jesus. That is blasphemy as well. Jesus said, “Take heed that no one deceives you for many will come in My name, saying. I am the Christ; and will deceived many.” Matthew 24:4 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There’ do not believe it. For false christ’s and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive., if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert! do not go out; or Look, He I s in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.” Matthew 24:23-26 Pope is false!! He puts himself in place of God, Jesus and of the Holy Spirit

    1. Dear nannette

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      The Bible also says they must believe Jesus is God.

      My comment:

      Yes, that us true. But a lot of Catholics believe Jesus is God, without achiving salvation. Catholic’s need to hear that if they pray in any other name than Jesus, they are not Christians, and they will face judgement.

      Jesus has to be both Lord and God.

  19. Ivar, I did not know they thought Jesus is God. My in-law believes the pope is god. Heck so does former president Bush. He was asked what he sees in the pope’s eyes and Bush said, “God”. Thanks Ivar, I love your website

    1. Dear nannette

      You wrote:
      My in-law believes the pope is god. Heck so does former president Bush. He was asked what he sees in the pope’s eyes and Bush said, “God”. 

      My reply:
      For sure your in-laws are not Catholic and is misinformed. The Pope is not God.

      You are twisting the remarks of president Bush. Surely he did not say the Pope is “God”

      Sometimes when a homeless person knocks on my door or a athlete is doing well or bad for that matter, i also see Jesus in them.

      I do not think this homeless person or athlete or whoever is “God”

      It seems from reading your posts that you are twisting words and that is not the spirit of peaceful solutions

      1. Dear armorrcc

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You promised to stay away, but seem to surface again, and again. Now in defence of some close aqintances, I presume?

  20. Nannette,Ivarfjeld,Ed,asked my religion,yet won”t state you’rs i will guess evangelist as you quoted from mike gendron the likes of pastor rick warren todd bentley etc boil my blood so to speak i think back to being a young girl,attending christian conferences ,watching the snake rattlers,some talking in tongues some interpreting knock down healing’s[that didnt seem to last] and of course huge donations from the congregation These pastors seem to live a nice life,nice cars,nice homes,world travel etc they are money hungry self serving bigots,preaching that all others are wrong and dammed ,giving up nothing of themselves,yet calling the catholics evil .Yes the catholic church has much to answer for but so do many others ps hope to see you in heaven Ann,

  21. where on earth are you getting this stuff from, i do not think Jesus is GOD nor the pope.you are taking comments out of context and not understanding what is being said, you seem like a mindless empty vessel,brain washed bigotry won’t get you into heaven either

    1. ROMMGIRL, Your religion is NOT the problem. Islam is! But here they are too blind to the fact that the Beast of Revelation and Daniel is Islam! Was always Islam and will be Islam.

      Even if their heads roll beheaded under the sword of Islam they will accuse the Pope of doing it!

      No amount of sense will change their mind!

      Even if the red horseman, Iran, get the large sword, the nuke, and burn the Harlot’s, Saudi Arabia’s, wine, petroleum, that had made the CEO’s rich, they will cling to a failed Pope-Vatican-Beast interpretation.

      1. Hi martinezjosei, yes the beast of Islam has may arms,The catholic crusade’s were a response to the slaughter of christian’s.Pope Urban II 1095.As we know persecusion of christian’s,Jews or any other faith for that matter has been ongoing since 33 AD.these born agains are twisting logic and history to suite.I have not said once that i do not believe in THE BIBLE[your words nannette] i have said i do not believe that man has not misconstrued the bible, there is a difference!.All you are doing Nannette is quoting bible passages and remember i am older in my catholic faith’ ST PAUL wrote you are buried with christ in baptism,in which you are also raised with him in faith in the power of GOD[col.2.12]The reformation was the schism raised by martin luther 1517-1640,s Catholic faith teaches us that man must be baptized in the name of JESUS ,which catholic,s do.WHO ARE YOU Nannette to say i am not a christian or my faith not adequate.The vitriolic rubbish that spews from your mouth and heart sadden’s me,after all it is this type of hatred and persecution in others belief that has created religious division and holy war

      2. Dear ROMMGIRL

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Hi martinezjosei, yes the beast of Islam has may arms,The catholic crusade’s were a response to the slaughter of christian’s.Pope Urban II 1095

        My comment:

        This is another lie. And an outright bid to falscify the history of the Middle East.

        The Pope in Rome had no right to slaughter people in the Middle East. During the Byzantine period, the Papacy had no claim to Jerusalem. The city was ruled by several local indepentend kings, and bishops from the Assyrian Church of the East.

        When Islam rose to power in 600-700 A.D, Jerusalem was captured by the sons of Muhammad. There was hardly any Roman Catholics living there before the rise of the Catholic Kingdom in 1099 A.D.

        “The catholic crusade’s” was not a defence of Christianity. It was papist colonialism and yet another onslaught on a land gifted to the Jewish people. The Pope did not “liberate” Jerusalem. The Jews were banned by the Papacy from entering their promised land during all the 191 years of Popish rule of Jerusalem. It was the rule of the present time antisemites from Greater Italy. Their governmance was not so different from the occupation of East Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria from 1948 to 1967.

        First in 1948, the land of Israel was liberated, and the Jews permitted to form an independent government. In 1967 the city of Jerusalem and the mountains of Zion was liberated. Praise Jesus. Amen.

  22. JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD,SENT BY GOD FOR MANS SALVATION,IF YOUR GOING TO COMMENT ON WHAT CATHOLIC ‘S BELIEVE THEN GET IT RIGHT!!!!

    1. Your religion believes in Jesus as the Son of God but Islam denies Jesus is the son of God. Under the false LAW of Shariah, the worst blasphemy, puneshable by beheading, is to claim God has a Son!

      But in this forum they still accuse the Catholics of denying Jesus!

      Catholics are one of the End Times Seven Churches!

  23. OH DEAR!
    THE HATE IS SEVERE!

    So sorry to see the false comments on my Beloved Catholic Church. The comments by Ed prove my point.
    I see St. Nicklaus, a 4th century Bishop, as the great answer to the rich man in Matthew 19:16-22, who couldn’t give up his wealth for Jesus.
    A Catholic hater would see St. Nicklaus as the promoter of consumerism (stuff).

    I will leave the Catholic haters and Obama to their heaven. Have a good time!

    1. Saint Nicholas was that guy who was so good at secret gift giving that the whole world recognizes him as Santa Claus, the secret gift giver?

  24. http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=87529 Ivar, I hope you don’t mind but this link came straight from the Catholic news. I saw the video also of Bush saying the same thing. Rommgirl has a hatred for people who believe in the Bible, and nothing but the Bible. Rommgirl and Ann apparently has never read the Bible in its entirety without mixing it with false teaching of Rome, and if they have read it they don’t believe it. They asked, I will say, that I’m a born again believer in Jesus finished work on the cross for my sin. And according to God, I am with other ‘born again’ believers is part of the priesthood of believer’s. “And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God his Father; to Him be the glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. Revelation 1:5&6. This conversation is ended as far as I’m concerned because it has become pearls before swine! Jesus own words, “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. Matthew 7:6 Ask Ivar what this means.

  25. Fact: More Christians killed by Islam than by the Pope ever

    To claim only a few Christians dying in the Middle East, or even Africa is the reason Satan can get away with it by the silent Pope-paranoid church.

    Satan feels free to kill thousand of Christians as they keep looking at the Pope and not at Islam as the End Times Beast!

    To wait for a rising bankrupt Pope while Islam takes over Europe, Australia, France, USA, Latin America, etc is to CHOOSE to be blind to Bible reality.

    The rising Beast is here and soon will use the most powerful weapon, OIL, to blackmail Shariah Law into a submissive world, then the final persecution will begin.

    Stop looking at the Vatican, stop wasting time waiting for a rising bankrupt Pope. Look at the Beast of Islam and admit you were wrong all this time accusing your Jesus believing Catholic brothers of ready to behead you! They are not the threat!!! ISLAM IS.

  26. the only words that come from you is the haterd you have for catholics your responses are the training of your pastors much like the mormans.I did not say catholic faith existed in that time,i said christian nor did i say the pope had liberated ISRAEL.You are hell bent on proving you are 100% right [EGO] i had know idea you were so ancient and that you were a witness to all these events with your own eyes!Hence i say the written words of men can and is corrupted ps i wonder your views on the blessed MOTHER MARY?and there is a lot of histories that have been proven inaccurate. why do you use the greeting shalom and say you are not jewish

    1. Dear ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      I did not say catholic faith existed in that time. I said christian. Nor did i say the pope had liberated ISRAEL.

      My reply.

      Everything you wrote in this line, is absolutely correct.

    2. Actually here is not the only Catholic hating Pope-paranoid bunch.

      Based on my experience, the Seventh Day Afventists are the most virulent Catholic hating creatures rumeaung the Earth. What you find in here is nothing compared to the hatred from the Adventists.

      We know they are totskky wrong!

      Catholics is a Jesus believing Chutxh, not perfect, but still a Jesus loving Church.

      Instead of they learning about Islam they repeat their errors about the Catholic Church.

      1. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Actually here is not the only Catholic hating Pope-paranoid bunch……Seventh Day Afventists are the most virulent Catholic hating creatures rumeaung the Earth.

        My reply:

        Wow.

        You wrote:

        Catholics is a Jesus believing Chutxh, not perfect, but still a Jesus loving Church.

        My reply:

        Now we have seen the The mother of all contradictions… The seven day adventists you are trying to trash are also claimed believers in Jesus…..

      2. What contradiction?

        Here you guys hate, trash, oppose and lie about the Catholic Church. A Jesus believing Church. Not perfect but neither are the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Adventists, Baptist, etc.

        However, the Adventists HATE and lie more about the Catholic Church than any other church.

        While here there is hatred toward their Catholic brothers, the Adventists are twice as hateful as you guys! I know, I used the be a blind Adventists myself.

        I used to subscribe to the Pope-Antichrist crap until I learned to place Israel in the center of prophecies.

        Catholics will never march up against Israel but Islam will!!!

        Every single country mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39 is ISLAMIC. None is from Europe nor Rome but Islamic in nature. Even Sudan had to divide in two, North Islamic, South Christian. In order to exactly and perfectly fulfill one of the countries in Ezekiel 38 and 39. Cush -The Hebrew word, however, is “Cush” and Cush is the upper Nile region that we now know as Sudan.

        It is all happening exactly as prophecied but many still fantasize on the fairy tale of a bankrupt Pope to get an Army of French Europeans wearing funny hats and guns without bullets to control the world and behead Christians!

  27. Love Ivarjfeld’s defense of islam at 2:22. Exactly the same thing Obama said. Ummm……inspired me to poetry.

    Oh Dear!
    The hate is severe!

    The hating
    Is mutating!

    The hate-ment
    Is great-ment!

    The hate-ity
    Is great-ity!

    I still prefer my heaven with Blessed Mary and the Saints.

      1. Of course! Here it is!

        Lovely Lady dressed in blue
        Teach me how to pray
        God was just your little Boy
        Tell me what to say!

        Did you lift Him up sometimes,
        Gently on your knee?
        Did you sing to Him the way
        Mother does to me?

        Did you hold His hand at night?
        Did you ever try
        Telling stories of the world?
        Oh! And did He cry?

        Do you really think He cares
        If I tell Him things-
        Little things that happen?
        And do the Angels’ wings
        Make a noise?

        And can He hear me if I speak low?
        Tell me-for you know

        Lovely Lady dressed in blue
        Teach me how to pray!
        God was just your little Boy,
        And you know the way!

  28. Hi Ed may i ask if you are lutheran,only so i can get a better understanding of where you are coming from,you have talked about vampires,movie’s etc and the use of Latin to smite the count,you are aware that is a strange way to explain why priest’s use Latin,you made references to him earlier and thought you may have studied his history[M L ] and the reformation .ROMM is not a reference to rome or roman catholic either,sorry couldn’t reply to your comment’s earlier

    1. There is only one name under heaven by which men are saved, Jesus Christ. I am a Christian only. They use Latin for show, what other reason could there be to use a language nobody understands?

      I don’t know of any church that holds their meeting like the Apostle Paul describes in 1 corinthinans 14:26 “What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.” A church like that might be interesting enough to join.

      I have looked into the history of Martin Luther. There are varying stories of how he got the bible to us. The most recent one I have heard, by the makers of the film Luther ,seems to be the most realistic, it was sitting there on the shelf collecting dust. Catholic priests could be mired for eternity in catholic dogma, it seems totally possible it could have happened like that.

      1. Dear Ed.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        it (the Bible) was sitting there on the shelf collecting dust. Catholic priests could be mired for eternity in catholic dogma, it seems totally possible it could have happened like that.

        My reply:

        The Roman Catholic Church banned ordinary people from having a Bible. It was supposed to be the property of the priesthood. The Pope had ordained his “holy fathers” to understand what God had written, and explain the true meaning.

        Very few ordinary citizens could read the ancient Italian language Latin, used by Caesar and the senate in Rome from 50 BC onwards. And if a man tried to translate the scriptures into common mans languages, he would be arrested and burnt at stake. Like Jan Huus. He was executed in 1415 A.D by papal butchers. And not to forget Bible translater John Wycliffe. He was burned in 1384 A.D by the Papists. Later on his bones were exhumed, decleared as heretics by the Inquisition tribunal, and burned.

      2. “The Roman Catholic Church banned ordinary people from having a Bible.”

        But ISLAM TODAY during THIS End Times, KILLS you for owning a Bible instead of a Koran.

        Forget PAST HISTORY and open your eyes to PRESENT REALITY.

  29. Nannette,GODS wisdom and love is for everyone who believe’s, not a select few as you think,better you stay silent your anger and bitterness adds nil

    1. Dear ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Your comment:

      Nannette,GODS wisdom and love is for everyone who believe’s, not a select few as you think.

      My reply:

      You should stop voicing your non-Biblical opinions, but rather read the Bible. The scriptures say the opposite of what you claim. Jesus warned us that very few will be willing to walk the narrow path, and make it through the narrow door.

      I feel its time for you to quote scriptures, or find a diffeent forum for your outbursts.

  30. thanks Ed,go to catholicism.org why latin was used for a more indepth answer then i could give it pertains to what i said in blog earlier

    1. Like I was saying. According to the Apostle Paul, the only good reason to use Latin is if the people in the church understand Latin. Otherwise he expressly states a person should remain silent, unless there is someone to interpret.

      So Paul saves me some time and headache not trying to wrap my head around catholic apologetics.

  31. my outburst are responses to nannette,s i thought this forum was to discuss oppinion’s maybe only yours Nannette was rude and angry with me and you have constantly called catholics faith false with references to pearls and swine and impying we are the dog,s calling the catholic’s the whore of babaloyn think about it Ivarfjeld im sure that will raise an AMEN from your faithful

    1. ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      I do not defend whatever Nannette writes. But I know she tried to debate with you on the meaning of scripture, and she threw in the towel. I will request you to join a debate based on scriptures.

      Like: Why do Catholics pray in other names than Jesus? When they know that the Bible says there is only one mediator between man and God, and that is Jesus the Messiah?

      1 Timothy 2:5
      For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.

  32. well that’s a bit of a copout Ed,this isnt about im right your wrong its history and knowledge and thats vital to understanding Ivar if this blog is intended to help those who seek the “true path to salvation in Jesus’ then im sorry to say most of what you do is ,i believe contrary to the nature of religion,jesus and god..My GOD is a merciful loving god,MY JESUS a shepherd of soul,s

    1. Dear ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Again you give me a reason to doubt if you are willing to debate on scriptures. Since I am the editor of this blog, I would like you to answer my question: Why do Catholics pray in other names than Jesus?

      1. ;Ed,Jesus was not of the tribe of David,therefor Melchizedek HEB7;13;17.And of which theNEW COVENANT WAS GIVEN;JER 31;31;34 IVAR WHAT DO YOU MEAN IN OTHER NAMES THAN JESUS

      2. Dear ROMMGIRL

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Ed,Jesus was not of the tribe of David,therefor Melchizedek HEB7;13;17.

        My reply:

        I am pleased that you quote scriptures in defense of your faith. Please be aware that there is no “tribe of David” in the Bible. Can you please tell me from which Jewish tribe, a Jew named Jesus was from?

  33. To ROMMGIRL and Martinez……maybe I can help you to understand what you are up against. This is a jewish blog pretending to be Christian, attempting to cause division among Christians. This is exactly what Queen Isabella faced in 1492…….Islamic terrorism and jewish hatred for her Catholic religion. So….she threw them both out, and earned peace for her country. Then, she was granted the grace to bring Catholicism to the New World…..hence we have North and South America and Canada.
    There is no way you can use scripture to convince them…..Jesus tried. But….aim your thoughts to the innocent who are on this blog, and are genuinely trying to learn of Our Lord and his ‘Bride’…his Holy Catholic Church.

    N.B….See how they can twist the scripture!

    1. You’re aware all of the Apostles were Jewish? The entire early church was Jews. All the people gathered on the day of Pentecost were Jews gathered from around the world. So now your saying Jews aren’t allowed in the Catholic church which you call holy?

    2. You said “This is exactly what Queen Isabella faced in 1492”.

      And God, in His sovereign love for Abraham’s promise, the Jews, show Christopher Columbus a way out.

      Many will say that Columbus finding a continent to protect his Jews people in 1492 has nothing to do with Queen Elizabeth’s Inquisition.

      My reply: Like Kung Fu Panda (2008), Oogway said: “There are no accidents.”

      1. Yet sometimes some Jews misunderstand the promise to Abraham, thinking it means the world is blessed by all Jews.

        Gal 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.

      2. Dear Ed.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        We have been here before, Ed.

        Gal 3:16 can be used to proclaim replacement theology, the idea that the land of Israel belongs to the Pope, and his flock. This is not true.

        Genesis 12: 1-3 speaks about three promises. Two of them do not “belong to Christ”.

        Like: “I will make your name “Abraham” great”.

        And: “I will make you into a great nation (Israel)”.

        Both of these promises are given by God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to Abraham, and were fullfiled before Jesus the Messiah came in flesh. The land (Israel) belongs to Isaak, Jacob, David and Solomon. King David built the promised nation, and the Messiah sits on Davids throne. God of the Hebrews him selv came down from heaven, and were present inside the first temple in Jerusalem.

        Yes, the ultimate owner of the city of Jerusalem and Zion, is the Messiah. The Jews are the caretakes of His land, and His Church (eklesiah) is called to go to the end of the earth and proclaim the Gospel.

        Do not forget that in the first 200 years of the Church, it was largly a gathering of Jews who belived the Messiah had come in flesh. Today, Messianic Jews in Israel is a part of this Church, who proclaim the gospel in Jerusalem, in Judea and Samaria and in the most distanct places on the Planet. The Great Commision is already completed, or is almost completed. The Jewish nation was rebirtherd in 1948, as foretold by the prophets. Therefore we can expect the King of the Jews, the very Lion of Judah to return shortly.

        Praise Jesus the Messiah.

      3. In verse 12, Paul reasons from a less-than-ideal situation to a better one: “But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!” If Jewish failure has brought blessings to others, won’t Jewish success bring even more? Paul is implying that there will come a day of success, when most Jews will accept Christ.

        Then…

        See? Jews are STILL in God’s special plan!

        144,000 Jews will start the Millennium preaching and teaching the law with Jesus in its center.

        12,000 physical, dna-blood descendant Jews of each DNA tribe!

    3. Dear Ann.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      To ROMMGIRL and Martinez……maybe I can help you to understand what you are up against. This is a jewish blog pretending to be Christian, attempting to cause division among Christians. This is exactly what Queen Isabella faced in 1492……

      My reply:

      wow…Antisemitisem surley die hard.

      I have come to the conslusion, that you will have to leave this blog. I will not permit Jew-hate, antisemitism and racism on this blog. Please leave. Do not bother to write another message, it will be spammed.

  34. Why use the Liberal acronym “ISIL” instead of the true “ISIS”?

    Only Liberal idiots follow the marching orders of the Obama administration.

    Obama fooling Liberals, never Conservatives, changed the acronyms to ” ISIL” so idiot Liberals will forget that Obama was the one who armed ISIS with powerful American weapons under the pretext of “Syrian rebels”.

    See? The last ” S” in “ISIS” stands for “Syria” as in “Syrian rebels” but removing the “S” will make forget the fact that ISIS is the Syrian rebels he armed himself. Obama helped ISIS because he wants Muslim Sunni domination. The only problem is that ISIS is not really Sunni, nor Shia but a NEW Islamic Beast as prophecied in Revelation.

    Wonder how ISIS took over Iraq and Syria so easily? With Obama’s provided powerful American weapons.

    ISIS existed for many years but did not had the help of Obama until now.

    1. Dear martinezjosei

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      Why use the Liberal acronym “ISIL” instead of the true “ISIS”? Only Liberal idiots follow the marching orders of the Obama administration.

      My reply:

      Surely you write a lot, and you ask a lot of questions. But where are the knowledge, and where are your wisdom?

      ISIL stands for “Islamic state of Iraq and the Levant”.

      Can you please tell us where the Levant is? We also seems to be in need of some secrets of yours, to be able to understand why this name is used by Obama and the liberals.

  35. Ann,

    And does the Holy Spirit lead you to mock and revile those who are upholding the absolute truth of God’s word–which Scripture tells us was inspired by the Holy Spirit Himself? You are in grave danger of blaspheming the Holy Spirit–and there is no possible repentance for that.

  36. What do you say on visitation of the blessed mother?ie fatima or myself for that matter .no doubt you would say delusional heretic.

    1. If you are addressing me ROMMGIRL, I would say that I cannot judge it unless I knew what the vision actually said–which I don’t. I will say one thing–if the vision said that which disagrees with Scripture then I would know that it was from the evil one. Those who accused Jesus of getting His miracles from the devil (and in the process, committing blasphemy against the Holy Spirit) were accusing Him because He disagreed with them, not because He disagreed with Scripture. At no time did Jesus ever disagree with Scripture (what we call the Old Testament). To the contrary, He affirmed that “…the Scriptures cannot be broken” (John 10:35)

      1. JOB,there is much i could say but wont but i assure you i am not untrue to this vision [aug 2002] nor am i a fruit cake but because i think you would not believe me anyway there where also 2 other incidents recorded over the coming months[i did not report to the church on this] but a key;prayer

    2. All of the so-called “fatima” visions and fake manifestations of “mary” and the sun moving in the sky have been invented by the Jesuits to advance their new world order agenda in an attempts to place complete Vatican control over Russia and spread lies.

      The so-called secrets and warnings of calamity have been carefully crafted to deceive. The Bible tells us that the dead don’t come back to give us messages, only demons do that. The Catholic “Mary” is a demon.

      In addition, “The Lady of Fatima” is a deception to draw Muslims into the Catholic church since Fatima was the name of the daughter of the false prophet of Islam.

      All of the children who supposedly witness these visions were under complete mind control of the Vatican and kept cloistered and hiden and and fed lies under the threat of death. All of these visions are nothing but conjured up lies of the Jesuits

      Jesus is the Messiah, the King of kings and Lord of lords and Catholicism is a Luciferian mockery.

      The Pope is the antichrist and very soon will be under the complete control of Satan. Sadly, most people will not understand this truth until it is too late.

      1. You said: “The Lady of Fatima” is a deception to draw Muslims into the Catholic church since Fatima was the name of the daughter of the false prophet of Islam.”

        Did not you already said the Pope created Islam, first?

        Why bring Muslims to the Catholic Church when Islam was “supposedly” create by the Catholic Church?

        Your insanity does not cease to amaze us!!!

      2. Dear martinezjosei

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Why bring Muslims to the Catholic Church when Islam was “supposedly” create by the Catholic Church? Your insanity does not cease to amaze us!!!

        My reply:

        Please alow me to issue a warning. There are limits for those who like to participate in debates on this site.

        To ask a question, is a polite way of participating in a debate. And then to wait for a reply. To ask a question, but in the next line issue an isult to the one you ask, amounts to wickedness.

        Those who claim the Pope is the head of the babylonian pyramide, acknowledge that the Roman Catholic Pope has promised Muslims salvation. Both these religious groups adore and venerate the Queen of Heaven. That is why Muslims can make prigrimage to Fatima, but reject that her Son is God. The Pope dont mind, as long as they accept his authority as “The Holy see”. Both Iran and Saudi Arabia has sendt their ambassadors to the Papal court, recognizing the claimed authority of the Pope.

      3. Islam is the End Times Beast an is ALREADY under the complete control of Satan.

        He only needs his Muslim followers to get the nuke from Iran and a few biological/chemical weapons to unleash the final plagues in the Middle East, the throne of Satan.

      4. Jonah “The Lady of Fatima” has no relation to the muslims ,it is a villiage in portugal in which the blessed mother appeared,go gain some knowledge you Ayir,it would serve you better then throwing ill informed insults to catholics and MARY the mother of JESUS

      5. Dear Rommgirl.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Jonah “The Lady of Fatima” has no relation to the muslims ,it is a villiage in portugal in which the blessed mother appeared.

        My reply:

        First: Spain and Portugal was ruled by Muslims for 400 years.
        Second: The Lady of Fatima is the Queen of heaven, and has absolutely nothing to do with the Jewish girl who became the mother of Jesus.
        Third: To communicate with departed created, mortal souls, is a grave sin and blapshemy against God of the Bible.

        You need to repent from your idolatry. Or you will perish, and spend eternity in Hell. I loved you enough to tell you.

  37. Jonah,There is only one blessed mother MARY,as chosen by GOD to bring forth JESUS for the salvation of man your hate towards the catholic’s blind you what a HUGE HUGE HUGE mistake to insult,the mother of JESUS

    1. ROMMGIRL

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You seems to be unable, or unwilling to reply to our questions. Have you read through the Bible?

      Can you please tell us from which Jewish tribe the mother of Jesus was from?

    2. See,how you twist and pervert the catholic faith,I have looked back over the years of blog’s everything come’s back to your hate,The place was named by them,yes but not ruled by them in 1922 when the mother showed herself to the children.and you have no respect for the jewish girl chosen of god.PS hence the ‘crusades’ IN SPAIN ect to restore christian faith instead of muslim rule.It’s not idolatry its respect for the dead .if your loved one died would you not prey for them in JESUS name we do. and if GOD sends messengers do we ignore them.we have ignored them always we are flesh ,blood mortal we know not gods way we assume we do though dont we

      1. Dear ROMMGIRL

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        The place was named by them,yes but not ruled by them in 1922 when the mother showed herself to the children.and you have no respect for the jewish girl chosen of god.

        My reply:

        Again we are back to opinions about how we would like “god” to be. This kind of understanding of “god” is outright idolatray.

        The Bible says:
        1. There is only one mediator between man and God, and that Is Jesus the Messiah. ONE, not TWO. Do you read and copy?
        2. The mother of Jesus was a law obeying Jewish woman, not a lawless Roman Catholic diety.
        3. The mother of Jesus is loved by all Christians. We love her enough, not to blaspheme her name and legacy.
        4. The “Catholic Mary” do have spirtital children. Lots of them. But they are not Christians. She is the pagan Queen of Hevaen, that makes people bow before her, pray to her, offer garlands and gifts to her, etc.

        Shame on all who refuse to listen to the truth. You make a mockery out of the true Biblical faith in Jesus the Messiah. And even worse. If you do not repnet, you will face eternal pain and agony in Hell. If you had any fear of God of the Bible, you would listen and run away from Roman Catholic shrines, like the one in Fatima in Portugal.

  38. Ivarfjeld,Joseph was of the lineage of david JESUS WAS NOT OF JOSEPH,but given by GOD therefore,JESUS was brought under the lineage

    1. sorry,sent before i finished,also a slow on the keyboard,through mary’s lineage but there is doubt on that and could of instead been of the Aaron lineage

      1. Dear ROMMGIRL

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        No need to say sorry. I am blessed that you take interest in scriptures. By reading the Bible we come to know who the Messiah is.

        Matthew 1: This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham.

        If he is not the son of Jewish king David, he is not the Messiah, whom many Christians chose to calls “Christ”. Strangely enough, an english translation of a Greek word.

        Matthew 2:5
        “In Bethlehem in Judea,” they replied, “for this is what the prophet has written:

        Revelation 5:5
        Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

        (end of scripture).

        He also has to be given flesh by a Jewish virgin from the Jewish tribe of Judah. And He had to be born in the Jewish town of Bethelehm, bult in the area gifted to the tribe of Judah, an area named Judea.

        Why is this important?

        Jesus our Lord and God had to come in flesh, as foretold by the Jewish prophets, as writen in the Hebrew Bible hundreds of years before He came in flesh. If he did not come as written, the Bible is not true, and our faith is more or less a fairitale. Anyone can add whatever they like, and create their own idol, and call it “god”.

  39. LAST POST;;The antichrist is your blind hatered and other’s and you’re adding fuel to his fire the end is coming all mankind is responsible’yes you too

    1. Thr Antichrist is coming and he will be revealed by a nuclear Iran. He is called the MAHDI, Google it!

      And two billion Muslims will follow him. The FBI claims they can not keep track, nor do surveillance on the number of American Muslims joining ISIS! Just imaging the revealing of the “Muslim Pope” with an army of two billion follower, your neighbors, who can fight with such a Beast? Who can make war with a beast that have two billion terrorists in the midst of us? Like the bad weed killing the good weed.

      WASHINGTON — The US bombing campaign in Iraq and Syria has failed to slow the pace of foreign fighters flocking to join the Islamic State and other extremist groups, including at least 3,400 from Western nations among 20,000 from around the world, US intelligence officials say in an updated estimate of a top terrorism concern.
      Intelligence agencies now believe that as many as 150 Americans have tried and some have succeeded in reaching the Syrian war zone, officials told the House Homeland Security Committee in testimony prepared for delivery on Wednesday. Some of those Americans were arrested en route, some died in the area and a small number were still fighting with extremists.
      The testimony and other data were obtained Tuesday by the Associated Press.
      http://nypo……Censored. External links not permitted on this blog. Editor. ….wing-steady-stream-of-re…….ombings/

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