Take a look at this video and see the shocking statements of “super apostle” Billy Graham.
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
Here is another article about Billy Graham.
First published October 30th, 2013
Published by Ivar
Thank you Ivar!!! We are in the last days deception there is no double about it, we were warned about it in scripture. 2 Thessalonians 2:3! First the falling away from the faith, then the anti-christ will be revealed. Watch out for the wolves.
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Can one really expect something less from a 33. degree mason?
Yes, it is documented.
Jim Shaw wrote about Billy Graham being inaugurated into the 33. degree together with himself in the book “The Deadly Deception”.
However, the publisher “copped out” and didn’t dare to put this fact in the final edition, in fear of Billy Graham and a lot of Christians who worships him.
I called Jim Shaw personally and asked him directly, and he confirmed to me – on the phone – that it really was Billy Graham.
Here’s the quote as published in “The Deadly Deception”
_There were some extremely prominent men there that day, including a Scandinavian King[*], two former presidents of the United States, an internationally prominent evangelist, two other internationally prominent clergymen, and a very high official of the federal government, the one who actually presented me with the certificate of the 33rd Degree. Some made only brief appearances; others stayed much longer. However, they didn’t do much mixing or socializing with us, except for those whom they already knew. Even though these celebrities weren’t extremely “brotherly,” it was still quite an experience for me just to be associated with them. It was easily the largest gathering of such prominent and influential men of which I have ever been a part_
[*] The Scandinavian King mentioned was Frederik IX of Denmark. Even Carl, the former Danish prince, who became king Haakon VII, was a high-ranking mason, but upon accepting the throne, he stepped aside, stating that he desired to be a king of the whole people of Norway, not merely those in masonry. For the rest of his life he never attended masonic lodge-meetings.
The reason people love guys like Graham, Schuller, the pope and others is this, friendship with the world.
1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
The reason people don’t like us, the born again brothers and sisters in Christ, is this.
Joh 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
Joh 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
Not hard to understand. Jesus makes things simple for us if we are willing to hear.
Dace, Amen! These are religious people who are in the church who lord over us. Like the religious Jews did to the church in the very beginning. There is nothing new under the son (Noah building the ark, and only 8 went in). They don’t believe us, they think we have gone off the deep end. They can recite scripture from memory, but there heart is far from Jesus! “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; Who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9.
I viewed the video. Cannot find where Grahamm denies Christ.
Did I miss it. Only one thing I found that raised question and it had nothing to do with denying Christ. But nowhere in the video does he deny Christ
Graham says: “People who loves Christ, either they are Conscious of this or not”….Jesus of the Bible do not have unconscious followers. But the Helenstic unviversal “Christ” seems to have.
Graham is bluntly denying Biblical truth, and embrace a false Messiah.
I disagree Todd. He is blatantly denying Christ. He said, “Knows Christ whether they are conscience of it or not”, “Non believing , they are members of the body of Christ”, “they may not even know the name of Jesus”. And then Schuller says, “there is a wideness in God’s mercy”. What did Jesus say? “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Matthew 7:13. People who are presented with the gospel as Paul exclaims in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Must hear it and believe it to be saved. Period. I never heard the gospel message in this short video clip. Unsaved people who heard it could not have been convicted of sin. They just heard these two fools say to them, you are saved whether you believe or not, or conscience or it or not.
my point was that he did not mention in this interview that he denies that Jesus is the Christ. You bring out his words that people who unconscienesly know Christ are members of the body of Christ.
I thought what he was trying to convey, and I might be wrong in taking it this way, that their could be or are some people that perhaps don’t even know the name “Jesus” but know that they are in need of something and in their understanding of that they call out to what they know or who they know ie their understanding of God
even though they do not know or have never heard the name Jesus.
He thinks they are members of the body of Christ. Only God knows their heart. I do believe even in our day that their are some peoples
who have never heard the name Jesus, but realize that their is God.
After all God has revealed himself through his creation, Romans chapter 1 so that every man is without excuse.I took his words in that way. These are the people who unknowingly or unconsciensly
know Christ and are from his perspective are members of the body of Christ. Maybe I’m wrong in taking his comments that way, but I will say again he did not deny that Jesus is the Christ. This was obviously an old interview. The title of the video was Ghraham denies Christ. somewhat deceiving
This seems to have primary focus on Orthodox Jews, who say they believe in the Messiah, just like Christians, except they don’t believe he came once already. So the deception is for Christians who profess Jesus Christ to accept Jews who deny Jesus Christ because they just “dont know him yet”. But there are a lot of middle ground people on this issue that give out this idea that Jews are saved apart from faith in Christ, while the rest of us must have faith in Christ. What this doest explain is how the blood of Christ, which was shed according to the laws of Moses, the most important act in all of Jewish law, fulfilling that law – how can that blood be rejected, and yet a Jew still be saved apart from faith in it? Makes no sense to me!
Todd you have a point. Think back before you were saved. What were you conscience of? If you were in a Christian up bringing that is different than on who had pagan parents. Someone shared the gospel with you at some point, or you read it for yourself. God sends people to proclaim the gospel! Gods word says, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on HIM IN WHOM THEY HAVE NOT BELIEVED? and HOW SHALL THEY BELIEVE in Him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!” These men in the video, even though it was cut short were not proclaiming the gospel. They had a microphone to proclaim it to the masses. Did they? If not, they were denying Christ. They are self proclaimed pastors. Paul said this, “For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me, yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!” 1 Corinthians 9:16 Not only that they denied him by proclaiming another gospel, which is that there is “a wideness in God’s mercy”, a social gospel. I would check out Galatians 1:8-9. There is only One way to heaven and that is through the gospel. Jesus died for our sins, he was buried and He was resurrected from the dead on the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES. I am thankful God sent someone to me. I read the Bible for myself with her encouragement, and prayers, and I called upon the Lord. I believe some native out there that is calling upon God, God hears, and He sends beautiful feet. Shalom-Peace brother!
Dear Nanette and Todd.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Without the gifts of discernment in use, the Church is blind and doomed. She do not understand when one of Satan’s copies of “Jesus” has entered, and takes control.
The false Messiah’s has not conscious followers, and even followers who do not believe in Him.
The true Messiah has followers who have been born again, born by the spirit of God, and have got a new life built on true repentance, and cleansing by the blood. They are fully conscious of salvation.
The false Messiah makes people unaware of salvation, and lead them into a life in the flesh. They love the World, and do become the enemies of God.
The true Messiah has followers who can explain salvation. They are saved, and are not ran by the fear of men. They have been buried with the Messiah, and are dead to this world.
The false Messiah has followers who have renounced Judaism as a false religion, and support anti-Zionism. There are hundreds of millions of followers in this camp, and they believe in a global revival around their movement. Literally all men will be “saved”.
The true Messiah has followers who are badly persecuted, proselytes to the true Jewish faith, grafted into faith in the Jewish Messiah. Many of them will face martyrdom, and enter the Kingdom of Heaven ahead of the coming age of Judgment. They have walked the narrow path, and only a few finds it.
You have to chose which of these movements you want to belong. ONE leads through the narrow gates of Heaven, and all the others, through the wide gates of Hell.
A not saved person can not understand what salvation is, before God reveals it to him. No person can be born again by the will and works of man.
The Church is NEVER DOOMED. Jesus is Building HIS CHURCH and gates of shall NOT prevail against it! False teachers, false pastors, false Christians (those in name only, NOT Born Again Believers), false doctrines, false churches are failing……..True Christians who are living in sin (have live-in lovers, practicing adultery/homosexual lifestyles, are thieves, liars, pedophiles, having sex with dead people or animals, defrauding others, rapists, prostitutes, etc) had better CONFESS and REPENT, or they won’t be WORTHY to stand before Christ at His Judgment Seat. They will eventually be SERVING Christ NEVER REIGNING WITH HIM.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Please keep in mind, that the good news is not that people perish. They do. The good news is the fact that Jesus has paid the penalty for all sins. He will save all who are willing to repent from their life in sin.
Here is the video of his last words of the truth. Its called “The cross Hope for America http://m.youtube.com/results?q=hope%20for%20america%20billy%20graham&sm=1#/watch?v=bba2Dqaw6SI
Dear ivarfjeld ,
When you say ..”have got a new life built on true repentance “, this states that you are saved by something YOU PERFORM . That’s kinda close , but not really . Salvation is a gift , it’s free . It’s called “grace” . We are only saved by grace , and not by any works or performing or doings first , unless any man should boast .
There is NO PLACE FOUND in the KJV bible , will you find your two words side by side … true repentance . The bible does not say what you’re perpetrating here . So if you are going to quote scripture , then do just that , not adding any words or taking away any words from God’s book .
Looks like you maybe in a group of false doctrine believers .
And I wanted to say that I agree with a lot of what you have shared with us here . I would like to know what translation of the bible says the two words side by side … true repentance ?
Most likely a newage / sewage bible . Probably a group or church full of people telling you the bible has mistakes in it too ! ??? NOT !
Graham said that people can love Christ whether they are conscious of it or not and they are a part of the body of Christ. This is what I would call “another gospel”. Pope John Paul II made a similar statement. No wonder Graham thought JP II was a man of God.
Graham also said that people may not even know the name of Jesus but if they know something is wrong in their heart and turn to the only light they have, then they are saved. Sounds like more of the “other gospel”.
Statements like Graham’s are just plain wrong, on many levels. A lot of verses come to mind when I hear stuff like this. How can they be saved if they don’t even know the name of Jesus?
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard?
Graham makes it sound like if a person doesn’t know the gospel then they can look to themselves to be saved. They can trust in their faith in something or their effort.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
“….and that not of yourselves…”
How can a person be searching for God without the Spirit calling them?
Rom 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
What did the Bible just say? Who is seeking after God?
“….there is none that seeketh after God.”
God calls us to repentence by His grace, His mercy, and the Spirit leads us to Jesus. That’s the way the Bible says it works. I wouldn’t care if the whole world started preaching another gospel. I stand by the gospel that Jesus preached.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Believest thou this?
I viewed the video again and you are right. After your comments I went back and listened again closely and their are some statements that are questionable. Thanks for more clarity. Just a comment on another gospel. When Paul speaks about another gospel which is no gospel at all, wasn’t he talking about a gospel of works along with faith in Christ. Also Romans 3:11, there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. This is a true statement. Man does not seek or understand on his own. God is
The one who gives understanding to the lost to bring them to believing faith. God is the one who seeks the lost. Jesus said I have come to seek and save those who are lost. The lost do not look except God causes them to do so. He causes them to look because he is seeking them. God is at work in the lost that he is choosing.
He saves everyone he chooses. He gets everyone he selects
Amen Dave! Todd, I think your statement is a little Calvinistic. I believe the Lord sends a little more light to a person that is seeking God. I believe in total “free will”. People have to choose God or not. God does not cause people to reject them. People reject God on their own, what ever light they have be given. God knows the end from the beginning. Scripture is already written, God knows who will be saved. We don’t, that is where people get the “elect” confused. The “elect” are the ones who believed, and the ones who choose not to to believe, God does not “elect” them to go to hell. They chose it on their own. “Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4 “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing than any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 2:9 “Come to Me, all of you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” Matthew 11:25. I have shared the gospel with some people who could not believe that salvation was so simple. They thought they had to do something. But salvation is complete in Jesus, all they have to do is acknowledge the truth, that Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He was resurrected the third day according to the scriptures. If by works then it is no more Grace. Then works would be something God would owe the recipient, but no. We have to proclaim the truth. It is finished. It’s a “free gift” through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus is the gift! How can you pay for a “free gift”?. You take it. If people don’t take the gift they will be lost forever. Praise the Lord!
Dear Nannette and Todd.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
To talk about non conscious followers of “Christ” is an interesting concept. Like:
1. Who is your employer?….eah…I dont know..
2. Who is your boss?….oh, I have no idea..
3. Who is the King in your nation?…..Uh…Than is a tricky question…
4. Have you read the Bible?….Well, I am not sure….
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
dear Pdub Guitar and Nannette
Firstly, Pdub; you are right that the Bible does not have the phrase “true repentance”. But it does speak of truth and repentance. It does speak of loving “in deed and in truth” – 1 Jn 3:18. John is drawing a distinction between pretended love and genuine love. Although the term ‘true repentance’ is not in Scripture, it can be uselful to use it to draw a distinction between pretended repentance and genuine repentance, in today’s hypocritical world..
Hezekiah prayed (2Ki. 20:3) I beseech thee, O LORD, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore.
He was walking before the Lord and the Lord knew it, but the king was being very specific about the kind of walk he walked…it was “in truth”.
David says (Psa.145:18) The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
Here again is anotyher example of using the word truth as a descriptive word rather than a noun. The Lord hears those who call upon IN TRUTH. David is inspired to write it that way for our learning, so that there
is no mistaking what God means.
The word “Trinity is not in the Bible but a lot of people use it as if it was. Even to the point that if you do not use the word Trinity’ when you are speaking about the Godhead you are an unbeliever.
As regards Billy Graham, it seems, and I hope that i am wrong, that he has been influenced by the praise of men, or some other thing. It is tragic for the many that they may still follow him and listen to him, when Jesus never said follow Billy Graham. Jesus said FOLLOW ME! (… Jesus Christ) Deuteronomy 13 warns us not to go after prophets (teachers etc) who say a thing and it comes to pass only some time later they draw us away from the ONLY TRUE GOD Jesus Christ , not just ‘Christ’. (We must identify which ‘christ’ we are toalking about.) They may have spoken good things in days gone by but if they become unfaithful then we are not obliged to listen to them any longer.
Nannette,.. I do agree with you that God gives light enough for a person to make a conscious deliberate decision of their own ‘will’ that they will obey the gospel of Jesus Christ. God does not violate a persons will, for that ‘will’ is an integral part of God’s image and likeness in His creature – man. God initiates everything, but He does not DO everything…by that I mean that God does not do what man must do, but He makes every provision for man to turn completely to Jesus Christ. Unless God had done so, man could not.
Nannette…I would like to comment on your quote here…”But salvation is complete in Jesus, all they have to do is acknowledge the truth, that Christ died for our sins, He was buried and He was resurrected the third day according to the scriptures. If by works then it is no more Grace. Then works would be something God would owe the recipient, but no. We have to proclaim the truth. It is finished. It’s a “free gift” through Jesus Christ our Lord. Jesus is the gift! How can you pay for a “free gift”?. You take it. If people don’t take the gift they will be lost forever. Praise the Lord!”
On the subject of “works” re salvation, I am not saying you don’t or do believe the following. I am only trying to explain something whihc a lot of people in general seem to have missed.
Paul discounts works of “the Law” (ie. of Moses) as providing righteousness in the new covenant. He does so about 6 times in Galatians and Romans. Paul is not condemning works of every kind. He does not dismiss God’s works Nor does he discount man’s activity (work) in the salvation equation. Jesus said that to believe in Him as Messiah was the work of the Father (Jn 6:29). To believe in Jesus is a work which we must do. To obey the gospel is a work which we must do..To repent is a work which we must do. We are not puppets. But these works are God’s works in us.
We are able to do these works because God has given to us the ‘grace and faith’ to do them. Unless the Lord builds the house, they labout in vain who try to build. But because the Lord is in the ‘building’, those who labour in it are blessed, exonerated and rewarded.
James also says 3 times that faith without works is dead. He specifically states that Abraham WAS justified by his works. In James 2:21-23 our brother is saying that the believing which he began (in v23) see Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6, and Genesis 15 (v6).
James is pointing out that the believing he began in Gen 15 is fulfilled in Gen 22 when he offered up his son in obedience to the command of God. That which he did by offereing up his son Isaac was truly a work but not of the Law, but rather of faith. And that faith had begun as far as the issue of Isaac was concerned way back in Gen 15.
God requires us to willingly and consiously work with Him in the matter of salvation. and our working with Him is all by grace of God. Think about it: God used men to crucify Jesus. God used whips to scourge and nails and hammer to fix Jesus to the cross. God used material things in order to fulfill His work of atonement for us. God uses men to proclaim His message. God does not do everything Himself in His plan for us.
Grace while a free gift, it is also a divine enabling for us to do what God requires, just as faith is God’s faith, He gives to us a portion of His limitless grace and faith for us to exercise in obedience. For we are saved by GRACE through FAITH. Hebrews 11 is the faith chapter and it is all about ACTIVE faith.. That faith must be active in works otherwise it is dead faith. A baby has no choice in being born.
But the new birth is different; a sinner must make a conscious intelligent decision to receive Jesus, having been called by Christ Jesus, into their lives just as Zaccheus did, about whom our Lord said – Today salvation is come to his house. Jesus could say this because Zac welcomed Jesus in, and listened and obeyed all that was told him. Zac was ‘saved’ because he obeyed. ‘TRUE” obedience is faith in action. NO obedience – dead faith – no salvation. We cannot separate believing (faith) and obedience. It would be like trying to separate the outside bone matter from the inner marrow. Without the living marrow entwined into the inner structure of the bone, the bone would be dead and become dry.
I don’t agree Ivar. If I understand what you are saying. That the lost are incapable of seeking God. “But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, HAVE THEY NOT HEARD? YES VERILY, THEIR SOUND WENT INTO ALL THE EARTH, AND THEIR WORDS UNTO THE ENDS OF THE WORLD.” Romans10:16-18. America especially has been blessed in that just about everyone has a Bible in their home, even if it is in the closet collecting dust. Which leaves them without excuse before the Lord (John 15:22-27, Romans 1:20) Unless a person has a brain capacity inhibited by disease of some kind, they are all capable on calling upon the Lord, even a little child.
I feel the lost are capable of seeking God. But until they are born again, they are lost. Many have rejected the truth, others have not yet heard the truth.
Jesus wants all of mankind to hear about Him, to obey Him and be saved. But He, and only He, known who will use their free will to reject Him.
For all who hate Him, the curses are passed on from the parents to their children. But if you seek for the truth, you shall find it. Unfortunately, only a few do.
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=13672 They are after your kids. Please pay attention
“As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away, they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10-12.
Ivar I agree with you. What is it that I said was wrong? Shalom
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
You did not say anything wrong. I reacted to Todd, who somehow could not understand that Billy Graham was leading us into followers of an antichrist. And you did not use your discernment to rebuke him.
2 Thessalonians 2:10
and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
The truth is that there are no “non believing” followers of the true Messiah. Unconsciousness about salvation do not save anyone. The large majority of Roman Catholics, and those who claim the Pope to be a “Christian leader”, have been deceived, and do deceive others.
“For HE chose us in Him BEFORE the Creation of the World to be HOLY and BLAMELESS in His sight. In LOVE HE predestined us to be adopted as His sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His Pleasure and Will…” Ephesians 1:4-5 REMEMBER Stay HOLY before Christ….Confess sins IMMEDIATELY and STAY AWAY from them. MARANATHA
WE ARE NOT CLOSE TO ISLAM AND NEVER SHALL BE; HE HAS REDUCED YESHUAH HO MESSIAH TO A PROPHET AND NOT PROCLAIMING HIM THE LORD AND SAVIOUR. THIS IS AN ETERNAL CRIME. CHRIST HAS DIED AND ROSE FOR OUR SINS, NO PROPHET HAS EVER BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT, AND WAS NOT DESIGNATED TO DO SO. WHAT AN EVERLASTING CRIME.
A few years ago, maybe ten, I first started to see apostasy, it is full blown today..it grieves me so. us watchmen on the wall need to reach out more. I remember a time when Rick Warren first talked with Billy Graham..and Billy said, maybe I should have read the word more. but now I know he was in apostasy years ago. first seen him on tv and then went to the tent revivals…it hurts to see so many we thot were right are not. for those who do not see how G-d has an appointed time for HIs chosen people need to read Romans 9 10 and eleven real slow , see how He said they were blinded for us heathen, but how good it will be for life from the dead..and it tells us in many places in the scripture, all Israel will be saved. we were grafted into Israel, the olive tree, not a church..and many places in the bible like Israel, they replaced that word with church. some even still believe a holocaust will happen in Israel, but G-d is bringing them home to protect them. will not punish them as they have received double for sins ..like scripture says, all nations will go against HER..and G-d will destroy and make a waste of them. It is the gentiles will see trouble not the Jews. G-d is going to destroy all HIS enemies…yes apostasy is fill blown but won’t change what G-d has written.. to get away from those who are believed , pastors will have double punishment as they add to and take away from the word…and because they lead many down the wrong road, they are headed and believe the pope and people like billy..G-d said it is better to believe G-d than man…and that is what they need to do..HE stated in Gen 12:3, who is cursed as well as those who add to or take away the scripture. remember G-d blinded the Jews for us heathen so we could become sons of G-d…..get the prophecy straight.. we all have the choise..