Popes in doggy dispute

“Holy Scripture teaches us that the fulfillment of this wonderful design also affects everything around us.”

There is no information given about this dogs willingness to accept the message of the Pope.
There is no information given about this dogs willingness to accept the message of the Pope.

Pope Francis has given hope to gays, unmarried couples and advocates of the Big Bang theory. Now, he has endeared himself to dog lovers, animal rights activists and vegans.

During a weekly general audience at the Vatican last month, the pope, speaking of the afterlife, appeared to suggest that animals could go to heaven, asserting, “Holy Scripture teaches us that the fulfillment of this wonderful design also affects everything around us.”

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Some feel that even dogs will start to be included in the Pope’s plan of salvation.

Italy’s Corriere della Sera newspaper, analyzing the pope’s remarks, concluded he believed animals have a place in the afterlife. It drew an analogy to comforting words that Pope Paul VI was said to have once told a distraught boy whose dog had died: “One day, we will see our animals again in the eternity of Christ. Paradise is open to all of God’s creatures.”

The news accounts of Francis’ remarks were welcomed by groups like the Humane Society of the United States and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, who saw them as a repudiation of conservative Roman Catholic theology that says animals cannot go to heaven because they have no souls.

The question of whether animals go to heaven has been debated for much of the church’s history. Pope Pius IX, who led the church from 1846 to 1878, longer than any other pope, strongly supported the doctrine that dogs and other animals have no consciousness. He even sought to thwart the founding of an Italian chapter of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Pope John Paul II appeared to reverse Pius in 1990 when he proclaimed that animals do have souls and are “as near to God as men are.” But the Vatican did not widely publicize his assertion, perhaps because it so directly contradicted Pius, who was the first to declare the doctrine of papal infallibility in 1854.

John Paul’s successor, Benedict, seemed to emphatically reject his view in a 2008 sermon in which he asserted that when an animal dies, it “just means the end of existence on earth.”

Source: The New York Times.

My comment:

Pope Paul VI included pets in the Vatican’s understanding of salavtion, and promised them a place in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Let me underline that this is a revision of my original comment. Since it is unclear what the present Pope has ment by saying: ““Holy Scripture teaches us that the fulfillment of this wonderful design also affects everything around us.”

Do you plan to share the gospel with your pet?

No need. The Pope might have confirmed that animals will be found in Heaven.  Truly a remarkable theological change in Rome, if this is true. Since many people have both repiles and rats as their “best friends”.

The Jesuit Pope is surly one of its kind. Not only is Francis the first Jesuit to be made the “Holy Father”. He might also become the first Pope who has abolish the need for repentence and baptism.

The present Pope simply can not wait for a chance to tell about his super revelation. Regardless if his new dogmas makes the scripture null and void.

 Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

The Bible explains that the kingdom of Heaven is open for all who have accepted the gospel, people who have repented from their idolatry and sins, and have been baptized. Still there will be priests, bishops, cardinals and popes who reject this message, and promiss heaven for all.  Those who preach this form of heretic univerialism are not Christians, adn they will face stern jugdment for spreading this kind of falsehood.

 Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

If you plan to baptize your dog, please do not call a true. Christian. He will not entertain you.

Written by Ivar  

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22 thoughts on “Popes in doggy dispute

  1. Både människor o djur tar Han sig an står det i bibeln. Måste det innebära att djuren behöver vara frälsta? Dessutom går ingen, varken djur eller människa, frälst eller ofrälst till himlen, för Yeshua/Jesus kommer tillbaka till oss för att upprätta sitt rike i tusen är tills allt är Honomundeflagt varpå Han själv ska underordna sig den som lagt allt under Honom o Gud ska bli allt alla. (Jfr 1.kor 15:24-28. O därefter ska det bli en ny himmel och en ny jord ( upp b boken 21) Vem ska bo på jorden?! O varför ska Guds Tabernakel stå bland människor ( upp b 21:3) o ska vi var i himlen när Han är här? Och varför ska det inte finnas djur här då? Jag tror att det både finns dem o träd o allt annat gott som Gud skapat…

    1. Dear Rebecca

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Please comment in English. The Bible explains that the Kingdom of Heaven is a place for spiritual beings. A saved human soul will get a new heavenly body. We will neither be like men, nor like women. But like the angles. If animals had souls, man would be a barbaric killer of soul beings.

    1. Dear a gentle iconoclast

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      The Roman Catholic Church reject the Biblical Kingdom of Heaven. For Rome, the Kingdom of Heaven is established in the Roman Catholic mass, with “Christ” returned and perfected in the Eucharist. The Millenium Kingdom was the Holy Roman Empire of Germany, that lasted from 900 A.D to 1800 A.D. By 1660 A.D the Pope controlled most of the globe, and the Planet divided into Spanish and Portuguese Imperial colonies, all of them ruled with an iron rod by the Office of the Inquistion. After 1929 the Vatican statehood represent God’s eternal kingdom, with the Pope as the “Holy Father”. This kingdom shall be expanded and include the whole World. And this “new Heaven and Earth” will be established by the Papacy on the Earth, and all people and amimals are included.

      1. I understand. Are you saying that this is their view of “the Last Things”? Raised as a Catholic, I’d never had that. Thank you!
        Where can I find this fully stated in their own texts. I would like to have this. Do you know of a website called Out of His Mouth by Timothy Kauffman?
        Maria

      2. Dear a gentle iconoclast

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        Just read about the “New Evangelization” order given by the Pope. Even the USA shall be evangelized and taken for the Queen of Heaven. The USA is one of the few nations that still dont bow before the papacy, with a population deeply committed to true Evangelical Christianity and support for the state of Israel. (forget about Obama ad his men).

        http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/our-lady-of-guadalupe-star-of-the-new-evangelization–2

  2. On its website, CNN corrected its story, noting the misattribution and saying it was unclear what Francis believes about pets going to heaven. A spokeswoman for CNN had no immediate comment.

    The New York Times, which ran a story on Thursday about the purported comment by Francis, also acknowledged its mistake, saying in a correction on Friday that it had misattributed the remark by Paul VI to the current pope.

    There is a fundamental rule in journalism. That is double-checking, and in this case it was not done,” the Vatican’s deputy spokesman, Ciro Benedettini, said on Saturday, when asked about how the media ran with the story.

    You will know them by their fruits.

    1. Dear armorrcc

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      When News That Matters quote a paper like New York Times, we have disclosed our source. The NYT is a reliable paper, but can obviously make mistakes.

      This is what Washington Post has recorded, about the correction on CNN:

      “On its Web site, CNN also corrected its story, noting the misattribution and saying it was unclear what Francis believes about pets going to heaven. A spokeswoman for CNN had no immediate comment”.

      Since the Pope’s are supposed to be infallible in matters of understanding of scriptures, let us dwell with the theological implication of a not disputed saying of Pope Paul VI: “One day we will see our animals in the eternity of Christ.”

      Let us see if the present Pope has anything to add?

  3. Ivar, you wrote:

    “He is also the first Pope who has abolish the need for repentence and baptism.”

    My question:

    Really? In what reliable newspaper did you find this saying of the Pope?

    You also wrote:

    If you plan to baptize your dog, please call for a Roman Catholic priest.

    My question:

    Are you serious? In what reliable newspaper did you find this? Is it new doctrine or what is going on here?

    1. dear armorrcc

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      We have the New York Times as the source of what the Pope has said. There is still confusion about what Francis has said about pets, and we are awaiting his comments. And a possible correction of a theological error of Pope Paul VI.

      Is this a topic of your interest, or are you just here to dispute the relaibility of the media, and create a media debate?

      Kindly come clear of any doubt, and say openly that only repented soul beings can be saved, and found in the Kingdom of Heaven.

    2. You have change the context from:

      “He is also the first Pope who has abolish the need for repentence and baptism.”

      to

      He might also become the first Pope who has abolish the need for repentence and baptism.

      and

      “If you plan to baptize your dog, please call for a Roman Catholic priest.”

      to

      “If you plan to baptize your dog, please do not call a true. Christian. He will not entertain you.”

      I guess my questions have been answered.

      May God Bless you Ivar.

      1. dear armorrcc

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        I guess my questions have been answered.

        My reply:

        An editor is not above approch, and should listent to the readers of his electronic paper. Also Roman Catholic readers. I serve the Messiah in a Roman Catholic environment, and half of my family are Catholics. I have to listent to them, and obviously correct my ways if I am in error. So my prayer is that they will correct their ways, if their worship is branded a sin by the Scriptures.

  4. What is your view on the white horses in Revelation 19:11-14 If interpreted literally,these are real horses. So there are horses in heaven? Are they just symbolic? But when Jesus rode on a donkey it is a real donkey and not symbolic

    1. Dear Tommy

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You asked:

      What is your view on the white horses in Revelation 19:11-14 If interpreted literally,these are real horses. So there are horses in heaven?

      My reply:

      That the Bible explains that there are animals on Earth, is not symbolic. I can see them.

      Revelation 19:11
      [ The Heavenly Warrior Defeats the Beast ] I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war.

      It is in my opinion not correct to take all that is written in the book of Revelation litterally. We have to be able to discern between litteral and symbolic use of figures. If not so, literal fire will come out of the mouth of the two witnesses in chapter 11. And these witnesses will be two litteral lamp stands.

      An example: In Revelation 1:19, Jesus explains that what John has seen, are symbolic visions for something physical.

      19 “Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. 20 The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels[e] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

  5. This us what the Bible says about the beasts.

    Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
    Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

    1. Dear dave1543

      Shalom,and love in Jesus.

      Thanks for these scripture references.

      It is important to understand that all mortal flesh returns to dust. And that only a saved soul will enter the eternal kingdom of Heaven. An animal can not be “born again”. It do not have a soul. If an animal had a soul, it would also be able to listen to and understand the gospel.

      If we claim that our pets will be present in Heaven, we add to scripture. And we deny the gospel.

  6. Any comments regarding below verses?

    Job 12:7-10

    “But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds of the air, and they will tell you; or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish of the sea inform you. Which of all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this? In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.”

    Rom 8:21

    “——–creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.”

    1. Dear Amorrecc.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      I have asked you to renounce the statement of Pope Paul IV, claiming pets to be found in heaven. As normal, you duck the question.

      Have you seen circus dogs? Its amazing what they are able to learn, and what many men can learn from them.

      The creation deffinately have to be liberated from the present rule of Satan on Earth. See how sinfull men treat animals. Shame on them. King Messiah will restore evertyhing, and send the culprits to Hell. All glory to the Messiah.

      1. Dear Ivar

        Speculation doesn’t mean much and every time you read something like this in the secular press the best policy for me is to immediately find a source directly from the Vatican and especially the exact text.

        As far as i know Pope Paul VI didn’t “declare” anything like that.

        I think the onus is on you to guide me to the reliable source where you have found it. I can not find it.

  7. A dog has no soul. The pope is either sick in his mind or he is a devil. Obviously he is a false prophet that will deceive everyone except God’s elect. I would rather he sends his jesuits to kill me and boil me in hot oil or burn my stomach with sulphur but I will never listen to his nonsense. why does he say that William Marrion Branham is a false prophet, because he exposed them. Where have you seen the apostle’s creed in the Bible, where have you seen “hail Mary in the Bible?” He is the devil himself.

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