The UK is pagan not Christian

50 noble persons in the UK, have rebuked the PM for claiming the nation to be “Christian”.

David Cameron is rebuked for calling the UK for "Christian".
David Cameron is rebuked for calling the UK for “Christian”.

A group of scientists, academics and prominent writers accused British Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday of stoking sectarian divisions through his repeated description of Britain as a “Christian country”.

The public figures, including authors Philip Pullman and Terry Pratchett, said they respected the Conservative leader’s own religious beliefs, which he has addressed in a series of statements.

But they took issue with his characterization of Britain saying, in a letter to the Daily Telegraph, the country was actually a “plural society” of largely “non-religious” people.

“To constantly claim otherwise fosters alienation and division in our society,” said the 55 members of the group that also included Nobel prize winning scientist John Sulston.

“It needlessly fuels enervating sectarian debates that are by and large absent from the lives of most British people, who do not want religions or religious identities to be actively prioritized by their elected government,” the letter added.

The 2011 census showed Christianity was the largest religion in England and Wales but the number of people who described themselves as Christian had fallen from almost 72 percent in 2001 to just over 59 percent, or 33.2 million people. About 14 million people said they had no religion.

Cameron told an Easter reception this month he was “proud to be a Christian myself and to have my children at a church school”.

In an article in the Church Times last week, he described himself as “a member of the Church of England, and, I suspect, a rather classic one: not that regular in attendance, and a bit vague on some of the more difficult parts of the faith”.

Britain, he added, should be more confident about its status as a Christian country and more evangelical.

Source: Voice of America

My comment:

Both David Cameron and his critics are right.

First: No nation are “Christian”. Only individuals are followers of Jesus the Messiah. As a group of followers, they form a Church.  No government, no friend of the present World.

Second: Most of the people in the UK, are pagans. They will face judgment, and will have to spend eternity in Hell. Just as they desire.

Third: It is not enough to be born into the Anglican Church to enter Heaven.  You have to be born again by the Spirit of God, and surrender to Jesus the Messiah. Than be baptized.

Forth:  For David Cameron, it is not enough to have become the Prime Minister. Anyhow, claiming to be a Christian is well and good. By the fruits, we will come to know if He is approved by heaven.

Lets pray for the Prime Minister, that His soul shall not be wasted. Jesus the Messiah accept all who are willing to repent. Amen.

Written by Ivar 

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30 thoughts on “The UK is pagan not Christian

    1. Dear Lars-Toralf Utnes Storstrand

      Shalom.

      We have had the debate about “Constantine” of Britain before. Let us not open this can of worms again, a belief-system based on conspiracy theories. A debate on these kinds of lines are counter productive, and only leads to endless, fruitless circle-debates about non-sense.

  1. Be mindful that the Anglican “Church” is Rome’s “Little Brother”. Many similarities with the RCC. Swap the pope for the King of England as the “head of the church” – instead of the true Head, Y’shua the Messiah . . . and you have the Church of England.

    1. Dear Mordechai

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      So true. Both the RCC and the Anglican Church base their salvation on administering of “holy sacrament”. This is based on rule made by men. Like the “Holy Eucharist”, a Messiah-copy, and purr blasphemy against Jesus the Messiah.

    2. That is the case now definately. Many anglicans are papists in all but “legally” instituted name There are in fact pressure groups working such as “forward in faith” inside the nominally “anglican” church to That is the case now definately. Many anglicans are papists in all but “legally” instituted name There are in fact pressure groups working such as “forward in faith” inside the nominally “anglican” church to further and complete the re-romanization of the English church.
      But hasnt always been the case, and it was never the intention of the reformers. I suggest you read what the actual reformers-men like William Tyndale, John Bradford, Hugh Latimer, men who actually lived under the tyranny of papal totalitarianism-and died when they successfully challenged it-had to say about the romish mass, transubstantiation, etc.
      Every one of the original English reformers taught clearly and unequivocally that the romish mass was a pagan idol feast. Why? Because catholic dogma insists that the bread and the wine is mysteriously transformed, at the direction of the popish priest, into the actual body and the actual blood of Jesus.
      Many protestant clergymen were burned alive, and in almost every case, their conviction was based on their utter rejection of “transubstantiation in the popish mass”. Lets remember and re-establish that fact! They successfully identified and exposed the romish mass as the central dynamic spiritual power behind the counterfeit roman religion-a globally organised and extremely lucrative neo pagan idol feast that brazenly appropriates the terminology of nominal christianity-while all the time determined to suppress the preaching of true Biblical righteousness-and substitute it with all manner of confusing, bizzarre and useless religious details-mary worship, relics, mass, idols, statues etc. They were not afraid to term the popes “anti christs” (ie those under a false anointing)
      As you will know, the English break with rome was spectacular. The protestant reformation was the means that God used to restore the original gospel preaching as it had been practised by the early, pre romanized, church-justification by a personal faith in Jesus, knowing the word of God, for oneself, in ones own language etc. The papacy has loathed England (“mary’s dowry”) and sought revenge ever since, because at a stroke papal authority was lost in England. The papacy has always been determined to once again rule England, through whatever means fair or foul-flattery, deceit, whatever, Their project (counter reformation) has been going 500 years. In the present time, for the purposes of one world anti christ government, disguised as ecumental church unity, they aim to get protestants to question and doubt their bible; andreject traditional reformed doctrines-the ones described by the likes of Tyndale and Bradford-and instead return to the false peace false hope and false comfort of the vatican-myths, dogmas, statues, relics and images (you can find all that in “anglican” churches these days)
      further and complete the re-romanization of the English church.
      But hasnt always been the case, and it was never the intention of the reformers. I suggest you read what the actual reformers-men like William Tyndale, John Bradford, Hugh Latimer, men who actually lived under the tyranny of papal totalitarianism-and died when they successfully challenged it-had to say about the romish mass, transubstantiation, etc.
      Every one of the original English reformers taught clearly and unequivocally that the romish mass was a pagan idol feast. Why? Because catholic dogma insists that the bread and the wine is mysteriously transformed, at the direction of the popish priest, into the actual body and the actual blood of Jesus.
      Many protestant clergymen were burned alive, and in almost every case, their conviction was based on their utter rejection of “transubstantiation in the popish mass”. Lets remember and re-establish that fact! They successfully identified and exposed the romish mass as the central dynamic spiritual power behind the counterfeit roman religion-a globally organised and extremely lucrative neo pagan idol feast that brazenly appropriates the terminology of nominal christianity-while all the time determined to suppress the preaching of true Biblical righteousness-and substitute it with all manner of confusing, bizzarre and useless religious details-mary worship, relics, mass, idols, statues etc. They were not afraid to term the popes “anti christs” (ie those under a false anointing)
      As you will know, the English break with rome was spectacular. The protestant reformation was the means that God used to restore the original gospel preaching as it had been practised by the early, pre romanized, church-justification by a personal faith in Jesus, knowing the word of God, for oneself, in ones own language etc. The papacy has loathed England (“mary’s dowry”) and sought revenge ever since, because at a stroke papal authority was lost in England. The papacy has always been determined to once again rule England, through whatever means fair or foul-flattery, deceit, whatever, Their project (counter reformation) has been going 500 years. In the present time, for the purposes of one world anti christ government, disguised as ecumental church unity, they aim to get protestants to question and doubt their bible; andreject traditional reformed doctrines-the ones described by the likes of Tyndale and Bradford-and instead return to the false peace false hope and false comfort of the vatican-myths, dogmas, statues, relics and images (you can find all that in “anglican” churches these days)

  2. The biggest, most important issue that separates Christian values from Islamic or Jewish values, is that Christians do not put their faith in the superstitious religious sacrificial punishment of infant and childhood circumcision, instead opting for the Messianic hygienic sacriment of Baptism, now becoming accepted as Brit Shalom. Cleanliness/Hygiene does not involve a flesh sacrifices, but instead becoming educated on proper care, use, hygiene, the neurological function and physiological development of both sexes prepuces to avoid causing/making a religious, ritual or routine sacrifice out of it. The alienation and sectarian devision is a side effect from causing a psychological, spiritual and physical division between men and their reproductive organs. Unity is synonymous with intact. By accepting this cultural/surgical division gives creedence to their anti Christ, unethical, human rights violating mythology, leading to sectarian clashings even amungst/inside each of their religious subcults.

    1. Wow, talk about falsehood and twisting of G-d’s Word. Brit Shalom is found in Numbers 25:12 and has NOTHING to do with the mark of the covenant.

      Be mindful of whomever is associated with this “new” tradition of man which is against Torah. Read His Word for yourself- it is written:

      “This is My covenant, which you shall keep, between Me and you and your posterity after you: Every male among you shall be circumcised. And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a token or sign of the covenant (the promise or pledge) between Me and you.” (Genesis 17:10-11, AMP).

      If you claim to be Hebrew (Jewish), I suggest obeying HaShem’s Word.

      1. Shalom. The Covenant law of infant sexual assault and battery is only to be applied to the Chosen People and their slaves within their world of the Promised Land. Judaism is a form of Apartheid; The Chosen People are those who belive they are better than any other race or culture because they say god said so, like a separate species of humans, those who have a trace of Abrahams “Y” chromosomes, which, because of the Diasporah, is slim to non existant, so only men with the Mother’s Jewish DNA/”X” chromosomes can be concidered true Jews by blood. Jesus was the fulfillment of the Jewish Messiah prophecies, and the sacrifice of his life was necessary to save the Jews and break the everlasting curse of the covenant by replacing it with a cleancing sacriment called Baptism. Although their are many hard core fanatics, many Jews are accepting Brit Shalom to replace the delayed onset PTSD inducing, reproductive brain chemistry altering violent infant prepuce excision ritual sacrificings, just as the original Jewish followers of the Jewish Rabbi Jesus did. Christianity was started by a bunch of Jews rebeling whom were against the barbaric ritual because the proceedure was altered by some paranoid Jewish religious law makers and religious police, the rabbis/mohels/pharisees in the name of their god, These new modern Mohels turned a slight cutting off of the tip of the prepuce into Peri’ah circumcision (MGM), which removes the entire prepuce, some shaft skin and the G spot/frenular delta nerves. Now these two different forms of circumcision can and are being used for population control, religious and racial hygiene, ethnic cleancings, a weapon of mass distruction of mens sexuallity on themselves as infants and those around them. Some Jewish Etheopian women have even been cursed with the practice/ritual of female circumcision. which spread into Islam and into American medicine. FGM just got outlawed in the US in ’97. All the Prophecies in the New testiment were written by Jews also. They claim in the “Book of the Apocalypse/Revelations” that the religions of the covenant will end up exterminating themselves in the final up and coming WW#/Armigeddon.

      1. Yes, my mother was one of many Jewess Kabbalah witches whom escaped persecution by pretending to convert to Catholocism, but continuing the antiChrist ritual of infant male circumcision, now disguised as a routine medical practice. Over her life, she paid dearly for her witchcraft.

      2. No, that is according to the voices in your own head. According to me, false god worshipping is the root of all evil. The belief in a false satan and god are easily confused. The natural sciences show that our true creator, the Singularity, gave up her life in the act of giving birth with a Big Bang, and we are evolving off of Her decomposing life form, aka CMBR, or cosmic microwave background radiation. Causing children to grow up fearing and believing in a god through indoctrination, is used for population control, mind control, slavery. One religion’s god is another religions satan. Humans did not evolve to commit worship. Worship is blasphemy against education/knowledge/science. Utter blasphemy is when you drink milk right from the utter and then you spit it out.

      3. Frederickrhodes,

        Mordechai hit the nail on the head, when he or she said, “You twist God’s truth,” and might I add, to satisfy your own selfishness. What you do is spread lies.

        You also said: The belief in a false Satan and god are easily confused. The natural sciences show that our true creator, the Singularity, gave up her life in the act of giving birth with a Big Bang, and we are evolving off of Her decomposing life form, aka CMBR, or cosmic microwave background radiation.

        Let it be known that you are like those who bow down to false idols, and pray to what belongs to satan.

        Jesus is the one who comes, with GREAT POWER & GLORY.

      4. There’s a reason they call it the Gospell. It’s a combination of God + spell, meaning a spell cast by witches on children to make them believe in a god to control the populations, or populationj control through fear indoctrination and ritual genital mutilation. Your religious witchcraft won’t work on me, Gloria. The Abrahamic religions are based on the delerious halucinations of a man who had to cut off his own foreskin, most likely caused from getting a disease/infection from not taking care of or misusing it, and went insane, almost sacrificing one of his own sons as a sacrificial punishment to the voices in his head.

        Now that there are 3 different versions of the same false god worshipping cults controling human populations, there will have to be a final war to prove whose false god is most powerful by distroying all the competition. It appears it is going to be in the Middle East just as has been foreseen, not by prophecy but by perspicacity. Christians know this because of the Book of the Apocalypse/aka Revelations, and refer to it as Armigeddon. It’s a psychological meltdown caused from the reproductive brain chemistry dysfunctions caused by the Jewish covenant law, the backslider Christian routine circumcision of infants, and the Islamic sunnah/sunnet ritual on boys and girls.

        Are you aware that Christian Zionists are helping the Israeli Jews to undermine the ground around the Muslim temple in Jerusalem, claiming archeological reasons, but are planning its collapse so they can rebuild the Jewish temple so that Jesus can come back and rule Earth through Israeli?

      5. Thank you Ivar. I hope all is well with you and your family.
        My parents have been ill (both mentally and physical), and now live in the same building I reside in. It is a lot of work. Please pray for them.
        God Bless,

        Gloria

      6. @frederickrhodes: “Are you aware that Christian Zionists are helping the Israeli Jews to undermine the ground around the Muslim temple in Jerusalem, claiming archeological reasons, but are planning its collapse so they can rebuild the Jewish temple so that Jesus can come back and rule Earth through Israeli?”

        Given enough time, the G-d hater will reveal himself. You may want to check out how much digging has been done – and is going on – by the Moslems in support of the El-Marwani Mosque.

        @frederickrhodes: “There’s a reason they call it the Gospell.”

        Yes, it’s a process called “translating or transliterating languages. The Greek word “euangelion” into English is “good news”.

        Hey Fred, may I suggest you become a bit more creative in your lies?

        Shalom.

      7. Frederick,
        You waste your time here spinning your lies, which have you headed to hell. But there is still a chance for you to repent, and accept Jesus.

        Proverbs 19:9
        A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

      8. What ever. You misjudge me. I am continuing the works of Jesus.That was evil of you to try and curse me into hell. Remember what you were taught in the school of Godspells, that when a witch tries to cast a spell on an innoscent victim, her curses will double back on her.

      9. Freddy,

        Shalom. About your comments about “Singularity”, “CMBR” and “Big Bang”. You may think that you are unique, yet you’re no different than anyone of us prior to being forgiven.

        You know there is a G-d and He is the G-d of the Bible. Scripture describes you well:

        “since what can be known about G-d is evident among them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.” (Romans 1:19:20, HCSB).

        There’s hope:

        “Don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit G-d’s kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or anyone practicing homosexuality, no thieves, greedy people, drunkards, verbally abusive people, or swindlers will inherit God’s kingdom. And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.” (1 Corinthians 6:9-11, HCSB).

        Did you read verse 11 – “And some of you used to be like this.”? Do you see how all of us were seen by G-d before we came to Messiah?

        Turn from your foolishness and cry out to G-d to have forgiveness through Y’shua’s perfect sacrifice!

      10. Don’t worry, I forgive you, for you may not know what you are doing. You are misjudging and making false accusations at me. In the end of evolution, we’ll all become extinct, so you can foreget about hell, but for now we’re supposed to try to live and evolve as long as possible. Peoples beliefs in a false creator will cause an early extinction. As She’s no longer around, any man can claim to have the word of god, that’s one reason why it’s illogical to make believe that there is a talking heavenly godfather who pics and chooses men whom have a history of sexual trauma/genital muitlation to talk through. Abraham, Jesus and Mohammad were all victims of circumcision. The main difference is Abraham and Mohhamad may have did it to themselves and others around them as a psychosis called apotemnophilia, but Jesus was one of their infant victims and spoke out against the covenant law of violent infant prepuce excision ritual sacrificings, in the name of their gods, for Christ’s sake. Sometimes excessive severe infant sexual trauma causes brain injuries resulting in catatonic coma and amnesia, the memories of which can resurface after puberty, known as delayed onset post traumatic shock injury(We’re not supposed to say disorder anymore). These memories are responcible for the visions and voices in Jesus’, John the Baptist and all the rest of the Apostles heads as they were also victims of the covenant curse. Now, in Islam, they tend to do it right before puberty which causes their boys to grow up angry and ready to commit mass murder/suicide in the name of their god. Shalom and Mazel tov. don’t stop learning.

      11. @Frederckrhodes,

        It is become a somewhat common occurrence, when the True Word of God is shown to some, they feel as if they are being “judged.” It is not so, but you will have your own difference of opinion. What sits with me wrong is the way you take the Word of God and spin it to suit your ways.

        Romans 1:25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

        Yet, I show you the Bible verses, what Jesus is speaking of, and you still refused to see the truth. It is truly a sad and heart wrenching thing, especially when the coming of Christ is closer than ever before.

      12. It is logically a scientific impossibility to have the true word of god, as you have been programmed to believe, that you are using to make false judgements. Just because you say a book says they are god’s words doesn’t make it so. Using some men’s words who claim the voices in their heads are god’s words to make false judgements based on paranoia. Jesus was practicing religious witchcraft when He spoke in place of the creator whom was not, is not, and never will be present because that was the only way that the other paranoid religious fanatics would listen to Him. Fighting fire with fire! The truth that you refuse to see is that He was just as human as we are, who was born under extraordinary circumstances. By claiming god speaks through men is committing blasphemy against the entire living spirit of every past, pressent, and future human. It’s impossiblt to twist gods words around as you are falsely accusing me. But, you will see it the way your paranoid delusions allow you, because you are under the godspell, not me. Islamics, Christians and Jews all have different sets of the so called true word of god/godspell. You don’t get to pic and choose which ones are more true just because you want to believe in a different version of god. You have to obey them all if you truely believe in a talking heavenly godfather and his theory of creation science fiction. If you do, then it would cause you to develop paranoid schizoaffective disorders, and your brain would split apart from all the contradictions.

      13. Dear frederickrhodes

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        it the way your paranoid delusions allow you…

        My comment:

        This is a kind of language I do not desire on this site. Please be aware that the curses you send towards others, will return on your on head. Please repent, and apologize.

        If I see no repentance, your next message will be spammed.

      14. frederickrhodes,
        You said: Just because you say a book says they are god’s words doesn’t make it so.

        My comment: I could sit here and tell you I have been in the presence of Christ numerous times, I can also sit there and tell you that I have seen God’s angels, that Jesus has healed believers from diseases like cancer, that if you simply have faith and believe you too can see the love Jesus has for us all. But you are so embedded in the lies you believe, that you are sightless to the truth.

        2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

  3. Reblogged this on The love of God and commented:
    Poor David Cameron. He’s blind. Don’t have a go at him, pray for him. If we were a Christian country, we would have Godly laws and a man in power who followed Christ.

      1. My friend, a gentle reminder: read Jude. We must not speak evil of dignitaries. My love in Christ to you, for I also have sinned.

    1. You hit the nail on the head there mate, Cameron, like the Archbish and others in places of authority are exactly what/who the following scripture is talking about – treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 2 Tim 3 v 4-5

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