The skull that turned its head to the joy of a nun

“It was then that she saw the head of St. Savvas lift and turn to her, then it returned again in its place”.

The skeleton was dressed up in Latin garments, but desired Orthodox dressing.

I have written enough about skull and bones, but found this one so interesting that I wanted to share it with you all.

The testimony of Roman Catholic priest “Fr. Seraphim” has been recorded by a website.

Here is the short version of the story:

  Fr Seraphim tells of a certain miracle at this time in Jerusalem. An Orthodox nun who was waiting to venerate the holy relics had doubts over whether or not the Latin’s had indeed given the authentic relics to the Orthodox. It was then that she saw the head of St. Savvas lift and turn to her, then it returned again in its place. Her joy removed all doubts.

The story about St Savvas display that there was disagreements between Rome and the Orthodox Church, in regards to who owned the “holy bones”

 “The Pope did not give us the holy relic because he loved us, but because he[St. Savvas] would constantly appear to him [Pope John XXIII] and would bother him to have his relics returned to his monastery. When the Pope died he did not take the wishes of the Saint into account, so he appeared again to his successor [Pope Paul VI]. Even in the church where his holy relics were treasured in a glass coffin, he would hit the glass and cause trouble, frightening the guards and the Latin monks.”

Hmm. A saint that reappear to the pope, and hit the walls of a glass coffin. That seems to be less “holy” to me. But since the skull also have turned its head towards a nun, i guess some banging to explain discomfort with the Pope, seems to be a reasonable act. What else to do from within a blessed glass box?

There is more to this story. Its about the skeleton being discomforted with the garments put on it.,

  A problem arose when it came time to dress the holy relics in Orthodox vestments, since the Latins had dressed him in Latin vestments. After nine centuries it would be impossible to manoeuvre the body so as to put on the rason, the monastic schema and epitrachelion among other things. To further complicate matters, the hands of St. Savvas were crossed over his chest. Metropolitan Kyriakos of Nazareth describes what then happened as follows: “We then saw Abbot Seraphim kneel before the holy relics and pray for a good amount of time. At one point he arose and did prostrations and lifted the arms of Saint Savvas as one would a living man before the amazed eyes of us all.” They were able to change the vestments without a problem in Venice before the return to Jerusalem.

Source: Catholic blogger site.

A “Holy skeleton” on an Island in Greece.

I must say that the ownership to relics, might be a complicated affair for the “Church”. But what joy there must have been among the demonized religious people when they noticed the skeleton moving, and told what kind of garments it should wear.

This Orthodox Church site, adding to this grotesque story:

  One nun saw the soul of the saint ascending in a golden cloud towards heaven. After about 10 years when the saint’s grave was opened in accordance to the Greek Orthodox custom, a heavenly fragrance emanated from the grave which covered the whole island of Kalymnos, this phenomenon was witnessed by many, including the local bishop.

The R.I.P on Roman Catholic grave yards completely lost its meaning. Because whenever they want, the “saints” might resurface and start dancing around the grave stones. Even the odor from the grave after 10 years of rotting of the corpse, is presented as “heavenly fragrance”. 

Did the “saint” come back from Heaven, and started his second life moving around in the form of a skeleton?

Written by Ivar

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15 thoughts on “The skull that turned its head to the joy of a nun

    1. Dear Sue.

      Shalom.

      Tragic….These people are adults. This “saint” raises a lot of questions in regards to both practical issues and theology. Skulls that moves and complain about their garments, require proper recording and a suitable tribunal. The process of beautification has not become easier after this.

      The theological issues becomes even more worrisome. The Pope is suppose to be infallible in regards to the conclusion of canonization. He can simply not take the “sainthood” away after first granting it. The question that looms in my head: How much non sense can a skull do, after it has been beautified and declared “holy”, before the faithful Catholics will see the writing on the wall?

      This blog is at least doing its best to expose the truth, in a bid to rescue them from everlasting condemnation and regrets.

  1. The tragedy is that many Catholics, conditioned to believe everything Church hierarchy teaches, falls for all of this & thinks there is nothing wrong with it! Wonder if there are any saint bonesvon display in The United Ststes? Also it isynunderstanding relics of saint’s bones are inside the altars of all catholic churches- I believe this is a strong catholic tradition.

  2. The word “worship” has undergone a change in meaning in English. It comes from the Old English weorthscipe, which means the condition of being worthy of honor, respect, or dignity. To worship in the older, larger sense is to ascribe honor, worth, or excellence to someone, whether a sage, a magistrate, or God.

    For many centuries, the term worship simply meant showing respect or honor, and an example of this usage survives in contemporary English. British subjects refer to their magistrates as “Your Worship,” although Americans would say “Your Honor.” This doesn’t mean that British subjects worship their magistrates as gods (in fact, they may even despise a particular magistrate they are addressing). It means they are giving them the honor appropriate to their office, not the honor appropriate to God.

    Outside of this example, however, the English term “worship” has been narrowed in scope to indicate only that supreme form of honor, reverence, and respect that is due to God. This change in usage is quite recent. In fact, one can still find books that use “worship” in the older, broader sense. This can lead to a significant degree of confusion, when people who are familiar only with the use of words in their own day and their own circles encounter material written in other times and other places.

    In Scripture, the term “worship” was similarly broad in meaning, but in the early Christian centuries, theologians began to differentiate between different types of honor in order to make more clear which is due to God and which is not.

    As the terminology of Christian theology developed, the Greek term latria came to be used to refer to the honor that is due to God alone, and the term dulia came to refer to the honor that is due to human beings, especially those who lived and died in God’s friendship—in other words, the saints. Scripture indicates that honor is due to these individuals (Matt. 10:41b). A special term was coined to refer to the special honor given to the Virgin Mary, who bore Jesus—God in the flesh—in her womb. This term, hyperdulia (huper [more than]+ dulia = “beyond dulia”), indicates that the honor due to her as Christ’s own Mother is more than the dulia given to other saints. It is greater in degree, but still of the same kind. However, since Mary is a finite creature, the honor she is due is fundamentally different in kind from the latria owed to the infinite Creator.

    All of these terms—latria, dulia, hyperdulia—used to be lumped under the one English word “worship.” Sometimes when one reads old books discussing the subject of how particular persons are to be honored, they will qualify the word “worship” by referring to “the worship of latria” or “the worship of dulia.” To contemporaries and to those not familiar with the history of these terms, however, this is too confusing.

    Another attempt to make clear the difference between the honor due to God and that due to humans has been to use the words adore and adoration to describe the total, consuming reverence due to God and the terms venerate, veneration, and honor to refer to the respect due humans. Thus, Catholics sometimes say, “We adore God but we honor his saints.”

    Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics “worship” Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call “worship”—is to be given only to God.

    Though one should know it from one’s own background, it often may be best to simply point out that Catholics do not worship anyone but God and omit discussing the history of the term. Many non-Catholics might be more perplexed than enlightened by hearing the history of the word. Familiar only with their group’s use of the term “worship,” they may misperceive a history lesson as rationalization and end up even more adamant in their declarations that the term is applicable only to God. They may even go further. Wanting to attack the veneration of the saints, they may declare that only God should be honored.

    Both of these declarations are in direct contradiction to the language and precepts of the Bible. The term “worship” was used in the same way in the Bible that it used to be used in English. It could cover both the adoration given to God alone and the honor that is to be shown to certain human beings. In Hebrew, the term for worship is shakhah. It is appropriately used for humans in a large number of passages.

    For example, in Genesis 37:7–9 Joseph relates two dreams that God gave him concerning how his family would honor him in coming years. Translated literally the passage states: “‘[B]ehold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and lo, my sheaf arose and stood upright; and behold, your sheaves gathered round it, and worshiped [shakhah] my sheaf.’ . . . Then he dreamed another dream, and told it to his brothers, and said, ‘Behold, I have dreamed another dream; and behold, the sun, the moon, and eleven stars were worshiping [shakhah] me.’”

    In Genesis 49:2-27, Jacob pronounced a prophetic blessing on his sons, and concerning Judah he stated: “Judah, your brothers shall praise you; your hand shall be on the neck of your enemies; your father’s sons shall worship [shakhah] you (49:8).” And in Exodus 18:7, Moses honored his father-in-law, Jethro: “Moses went out to meet his father-in-law, and worshiped [shakhah] him and kissed him; and they asked each other of their welfare, and went into the tent.”

    Yet none of these passages were discussing the worship of adoration, the kind of worship given to God

    1. Augustine.

      Aaron used the golden calf as a “prototype” to get to the God of Israel, who brought them out of Egypt.

      We see how this turned out. Not good.

      What spiritual benefit is it to parade around bones, but clothes on them and hope they are comfortable? What benefit is it to watch their head move, put them in a box and bow before it.

      Let the dead bury their dead.

      This is idolatry plain and simple.

    2. Where do you get all this uninformed uninformation from ??
      Mary is not deserving of worship, she is dead, and there is no instruction from Jesus ( In scripture ) at any time, to worship/venerate her.
      Mary is not god.
      And neither is she Co redemptrix.

    3. spookchristian Reply
      Where do you get all this uninformed uninformation from ??
      Mary is not deserving of worship, she is dead, and there is no instruction from Jesus ( In scripture ) at any time, to worship/venerate her.
      Mary is not god.
      And neither is she Co redemptrix.

  3. Dear Kay,

    Every catholic altar must have saint relics in them. Therefore, when they offer the sacrifice of the mass, they are also offering the bones of the dead with the sacrifice. ???

    Jesus died once and for all. And His finished work at the cross is enough to cover us. The Father does not need bones with it to finish it. It is already finished. This is a blasphemy and seemingly a type of witch craft.

    The RCC says that the sacrifice of the Mass is like putting you at the cross in a time warp, so that at the Mass your sins can be forgiven.

    When Jesus hung on the cross it was for all the sins of the world: past, present and future, So why re-sacrifice Him over and over for the forgiveness of sins?

    Believe on Him and be forgiven. The scripture does not say, go to Mass and be forgiven.

  4. It is ironic -enlightening – eye-opening to me ( lifelong 40 year catholic) how much explanation goes into a catholic’s justification of the word worship. Doesn’t matter the history of the word. ‘worship’. What occurs is many Catholics pray non-stop to Mary, to the saints that they forget about Jesus. This is idolatry. Accept Jesus As your savior & vow to have no false gods besides Him & suddenly the worship & honor of saints is no longer needed to fuel your soul. Why go thru them when our soul thirsts only for Him.

    1. Drar Caholic son forever.

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      You wrote:

      I love you Lord Jesus!!!!!!!!!! and your church, the Roman Catholic Church!!! Mother Mary and Padre Pio intercede for us. amen

      My reply:

      There seems to be a better chanse of snow in Hell, than your prayer being answered.

      Are you aware that Jesus was born by a human being?
      Are you aware that Jesus was born by a Jewish virgin?
      Are you aware that the Jewish mother of Jesus offered a sin offering for her sins in the Temple in Jerusalem?
      Are you aware that “Catholic Mary” is a pagan goddess?
      Are you aware that plenty of people who say “Lord, Lord” will not be accepted inside the Kingdom of Heaven?

      If you do not answer my questions you will not be permitted to comment further on News That Matters.

  5. you guys are crazy. read and understand your bible first. no where jesus says that I am god or worship me? and also do you know what the word begotten means? educated for no good reason, what a waste of degrees, masters and yet simple text from your bible you don’t understand and believe in everything that your told by your priest. as far as the skull are concerned in worship, hahah please don’t crack me up. since when does a dead person benefit alive human being? stop commenting to give the blogger a heads up instead understand your purpose of creation and know that all this is deceiving you.

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