The Vatican: “allah” the savior of Catholics and Muslims

To accept “God” as “Allah” in Malay-language bibles and other literature are “logical and acceptable”.

Archbishop Joseph Marino landed into trouble accepting "allah" in Malaysia.
Archbishop Joseph Marino landed into trouble accepting “allah” in Malaysia.

This are the words of Archbishop Joseph Marino, the Vatican’s first official envoy to Malaysia.

After being summoned by the Malayan foreign minister, the Archbishop expressed regrets over this statement, and issued an apology.

Archbishop Joseph Marino issued a statement late Tuesday, after meeting with Foreign Minister Anifah Aman, saying his comments were “never intended as an attempt to intrude into the internal affairs of the country”.

Marino, who arrived in Kuala Lumpur less than six months ago, had last Thursday waded into a religious row in Muslim-majority Malaysia over the use of the word “Allah”.

He described arguments put forward by the Catholic Church in an ongoing court battle for the right to translate “God” as “Allah” in Malay-language Bibles and other literature as “logical and acceptable”.

Soon after, hardline Muslim groups began calling for him to be sent home. Several cabinet ministers also accused him of “interference”.

Controversy over the use of the word “Allah” came to a head three years ago, when the High Court ruled that non-Muslims are allowed to use the word to refer to God in their Malay-language literature.

The court case arose after Malaysia’s Catholic Church sued the government for banning the use of the word in its weekly newspaper, The Herald.

Muslims had denounced the verdict, claiming “Allah” is exclusive to Islam. The government decided to appeal the ruling after several places of worship were fire-bombed.

Malaysia has more than 2.5 million Christians in a population of 28 million, of which about 60 percent are Muslim.

Source: Fox News

My comment:

Why do the archbishop in Malaysia call the Catholics to accept God as “allah”?

This has it roots in the Papacy basically submitting to Islam. The late Pope John Paul II even kissed the Koran, after branding the book as “holy”.

Poppe John Paul II accepted "allah" by kissing the Koran.
Pope John Paul II accepted “allah” by kissing the Koran.

By accepting “allah”, you reject the divinity of Jesus the Messiah. You submit to a lie, the claim that God do not have a son equal to Him self.

There is an other motive for the Roman Catholic acceptance of ‘allah”. Only when the Pope accept’s “allah”, the Muslims will be willing to accept the Papacy.

The Pope believe He has to be “The Holy Father” for all creation, and that all religious people must submit to his authority, as “allah’s” highest representative on Planet Earth.

Such is the nature of evil. Such is the nature of deception. Al who have rejected the truth found in the Bible, will eventually be lead astray to follow demonic powers. Do not listen to the Pope and his priesthood. Accept Jesus as eternal God, open your Bible, and pray the Holy Spirit will guide you into all the truth. Amen.

Archbishop Joseph Marino represent Poppe Francis in Malaysia.
Archbishop Joseph Marino represent Pope Francis in Kuala Lumpur.

The third aspect, is that the Vatican accept that Islam is a way towards salvation. regardless if they deny the blood of Jesus, being the only remedy for sins.

Other Vatican II documents, however, envisioned extending the outreach (not strictly ecumenical dialogue, but “interfaith dialogue”) to non-Christian religions. Lumen Gentium (1964).

This documents affirmed that “the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day”.

 Also the document Nostra aetate (1965), urging “mutual understanding,” emphasized that “The Church has also a high regard for the Muslims. They worship  God, who is one, living and subsistent, merciful and almighty, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has also spoken to men. They strive to submit themselves without reserve to the hidden decrees of  God, just as Abraham submitted himself to God’s plan, to whose faith Muslims eagerly link their own.”

Source: Crisis Magazine.com

Evangelical Christians must not fall into this trap. Any acceptance of Roman Catholicism as a part of “Christianity” is like opening the true Church for the devil, and his wolfs in sheep clothing.

First published, 25th of August 2013.

Written by Ivar

40 thoughts on “The Vatican: “allah” the savior of Catholics and Muslims

  1. The devil is truly in the Vatican. A lot of Christian preachers are not teaching the Bible and are accepting of same sex marriages and are pro choice.

  2. My friends we finally are here 2 Tes 2:3 ” Let no man deceive you by ANY means: for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first, (this falling is the rejection of Jesus of Nazareth as THE ONLY SAVIOUR) and that man of sin the son of perdition be revealed, the son of perdition.
    (presently are about 25 people in the world trying to be number one ie. obama, kerry, the clintons, the bush, europe monarchy. blair, zarkowsky, etc. all these ones are trying to get “peace in the middle east” the one who get “the peace” it is the antichristo- remember 1 Tes 5: 3 “For when they (politicians/people who are satan’s workers) be revealed then sudden destruction cometh upon them…”

    Again be ready Titus 2: 13 ” Looking for the blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great GOD and Our Saviour Jesus Christ”

  3. ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, IT IS AN IDEOOGY .. MOHAMMED GATHERED HIS TEXTS ( THE QURAN) FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE IN THE ARAB PENINSULA , AND WERE FANATIC OF POETRY AND PROSIS.. IF NOT DIRECTLY FROM SATAN HIMSELF.. WITH OTHER WORDS MAGISIENS WHO USED TO GO TO ( WADI ABQAR ) TO COLEECT VERSES FROM EFREETS AND GENNIS , MIXING ALL THAT WITH STORIES FROM THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT , AFTER MODIFYING THE ESSENCE OF FAITH..THIS IS WHAT THEY CALL THE BOOK OF GOD ..WE ALL KNOW AND SEE WHAT THE DOCTRINS OF THE QURAN HAVE DONE TO MANKIND.

    1. Ok wise-guy where’d you get that from? The Qur’an is not the problem, infact I even doubt you have read it and understood it. The bad guys and terrorists you see on TV are not true muslims as they go against what the Qur’an says. The Qur’an says that it is not a man’s decision to end a life even if he is muslim or not. Only God is allowed to decide when to end a life. To kill someone just because they are not Muslim is forbidden and you are likely to be destined for punishment by God. Please understand this. Infact the reason we say the Bible BECAME the wrong book was because the Roman Emperor Constantine wanted to unite Pagans and Christians therefore he ordered a conference to pick the best edits of the New Testament which the Pagans and Christians would be happy with. People such as Matthew had their edited versions chosen, this occured approximately 200 years after Jesus descended. He wasn’t even alive during Jesus’ time. Also I would just like to point out that Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) is one of the Greatest Prophets of God and like you, we await his return. Finally I would just like to say that you should do your research thoroughly in an un-biased manner from lots of reliable sources instead of misleading people about Muslims because of your own ignorance.

      1. Sura 8: 12 “Allah will instill terror into the hearts of non believers. So strike off their heads and each and every one of their fingertips.

  4. ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION, IT IS AN IDEOLOGY. THE QURAN IS NOT A BOOK OF GOD , IT WAS WRITTEN BY MUHAMMA IN A CHALANGE TO ARABIC LINGUISTICS DEALT WITH THOSE DAYS ,. IN ARABIC PENINSULA PEOPLE WERE FANATIC OF POETRY AND PROSIS , THEY USED TO TRAVEL MILES AND MILS IN THE DESERT TO COLLECT NEW FORMS AND STYLS OF EXPRSSION , CROSSING WADI ABQAR ( THE VALY OF GENIALS ) WHERE GENNIS AND EFREETS WHESPER SOME OF THEIR EXTRAORDINARY VERSES TO WHICH PASSBYERS COULD LISTEN AND MEMORIZE , BECOMING DRASTICALY THE MAGISIENS OF THE WORD. MUHAMMAD WAS ONE OF THEM ,BEEING SMATER HE INVENTED A NEW STYLE OF EXPRESSION( THE QURAN ) MIXING HIS MASTER PIECE WITH STORIES AND EVENT FROM THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT , AFTER MODIFYING THEIR ESSENCE. MUHAMMAD BEEING A MERCANT HE USED TO TRAVEL TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH EAGERING TO MEET THOSE PEOPLE WHO POSSES THE TREASURY BOOKS OF MOSES AND MISSIA PRIESTS WHO HAVE BEEN SETTELED THERE FOR THOUSANDS YEAR FROM SABAA KINDOM( YEMEN) TO DAMASCUS. THE QURAN IS A UNIQUE MIXTURE OF FABULA ,POETRY, PROSA, ANCIENT HISTORY, CLAIMED-TO-BE SACRAL VERSES, ALL INSPIERED AND EXPIERED BY THE LUNGS OF SATAN HIMELF.

    1. In my opinion Mohammed the illiterate bastard made a deal with Satan, like so many people do, and with automatic writing translated the Bible to make the Quran. Quran is very much like the Bible, except all the important parts were omitted. That is why people use Quran with authority and dogma and they CAN, because God, our creator was always the originator of forgiveness, love and truth. Allah (god of this world, who is Satan) banks on that authority to lead people astray. Those poor deceived Muslims have no chance to ever find truth, unless God has mercy on them. very few actually come to know God.

  5. According to Quran Allah is god of this world. The god of this world according to the Bible, which is our creator’s WORD, is satan. So who do we believe? God or the pope?
    NO religion is correct. We ALL have to come to God, our creator HIS way and only if we are reconciled to god by accepting new birth ( John 3:3) is that we EVER understand god;s truth. So who care what they all do and believe? Our job is to bring people the good news that god made provision for us to be reunited with God as we follow Jesus’ =God’s example.
    Fat chance they will regulate the freedom in Christ God gave us, who know Him

  6. Was Rick Warren there too,
    Only asking, because Rick Warren is a member of CFR, and has started a religion, or is involved with an organization called Chrislam, and he believes that roman catholics are Christians…

  7. How is it possible to have an argumentation of reason, wtih what I define as meer wordplay, to cling desperatly to a word/notion.

    WE all are manifested images created by our Creator, and its even sayed we are His Image.
    And I dont play with this minor issues since I regard is as waitless use of time and effort to even boither to think on and to be offended if anyone, anywhere, anythime have a different name on IT.
    Capice

    Its also, my second objection to this round of idiocy, a continuation of the soe problem of the church in this times, a oldtimers garden party where they in the bordom, manages to hagle about completely usless issues and I have zero understanding of their pathetic exusess for it.
    Behave as Adults and take care of Humanity in this barbaric times, and where nothing good sims to happen anywhere.

    Its all war talk, and NOBODY is fighting the cause for Peace, other than in the Halls of powers with a glass of Champiss and drift among Cannapees.
    You shuld be wipped.

    peace

    “In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.”
    ― Martin Luther King Jr.

  8. There are going to be a lot a “deceived” people in the Lake of Fire – FOR ETERNITY. “allah” is another name for Satan – who is masquerading the God of Creation, the God of Israel, the Savior of the World. ANYONE who rejects the Deity of Christ, who is called “Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6-7), will NOT be worthy of Him. You continue to BLASPHEMY Jesus, your fate may be already sealed. Jesus FORGIVES, “allah” KILLS – To die, be destroyed, perish, only means to have RUINATION for Eternity…..to suffer, cry, hate, be devastated, NEVER being annihilated……ALL people LIVE forever – just their destinations are different. HEAVEN OR HELL

    1. The question of translating God as Allah is hotly debated in non-Arab lands, where many sincere Christians are convinced Allah is a false god. Ironically, this debate doesn’t exist for Arab Christians, who have continually translated elohim and theos (the primary terms for God in Biblical Hebrew and Greek) as Allah from the earliest known Arabic Bible translations in the eighth century till today. Most scholars agree that Allah is the Arabic cognate of the Biblical Aramaic elah and Hebrew eloah, which is the singular of elohim, a generic word for God used throughout the Old Testament. In fact, it is nearly impossible for linguists to determine which of these three terms appeared first in the Ancient Near East, or if they all derived from a hypothesized proto-Semitic language. Though precise origins are uncertain, ancient usage is not. As in English, the Bible uses elah and elohim for both the Most High God and false gods—English uses an upper or lower case “g” to distinguish between these two. By contrast, Muslims never use Allah to refer to a false god, but only the One True God, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob…

      http://www.thepeopleofthebook.org/Massey-Allah.html

      1. Dear Yosua

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        God did not reveal Him self to the Arabs. He revealed Him self to the Hebrews, and took them out of paganism in Egypt.

        The ancient moon “god” of Mecca was called “allah”, one of the Arab words for “god”. The Copts in Egypt and the Berbers in Libya have other names for “god”. Do some research.

        To claim “allah” to be THE universal and exclusive Arab name for “god” is a lie. Such a claim is also a form of replacement theology, which teach that God of Israel can be ignored.

        The Arabs have to embrace God of the Hebrews, Elohim Israel. Not an Arab copycat. The love for Israel and Jews will be a fruit of a true conversion. I know there are Arab Christians who are committed Zionists, but they are not many. They use “allah” for God in conversation with fellow Arabs, in a bid to convince them that the Koran is wrong. I have no arguments with them.

        And by the way. God Has an eternal Son, begotten not created. The Messiah is not a mortal prophet.

      2. Oh come on Ivar, the Babylonians, Hindus, and all FAKE RELIGIONS (including Jehovah’s Witnesses & the Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints) did/do NOT WORSHIP “I AM THAT I AM”; YAHWEH, The God of Israel, who is Jesus Christ: Isaiah 9:6-7 (Isaiah 9:5-6 Jewish Bible) & Exodus 24:9-11……..You KNOW darn well, Jesus did NOT appoint Muhammed to be HIS PROPHET. They TEACH, PREACH, BELIEVE in a FALSE GOD & an unholy Book, using a FALSE name/identity for their “god”.

        The Apostle Paul had the SAME problem, but he DIDN’T say, “OK, Romans, I’ll call my Holy God “Thor” so we can all be on the same page.” That is what you’re doing. You should be TEACHING the difference between “Jesus Christ” & allah. I don’t think the Hindus have a “god” named “allah” do they? The Buddhist worship “allah”? God HAS a Name that EVERYONE has to Believe In, or they go to HELL.

        Please show me in My Bible where it says “allah” is God & all who worship “allah” receive all the Blessings that the Hebrew Children do.

        BTW, People in Haiti were taught that GENTILE means “people of the Devil” – I had to EXPLAIN that NOT everyone in the world were
        either Jewish or Greek, since not everyone was born in Greece (or surrounding territories). “Gentile” does mean EVERYONE who is NOT Jewish.

        Shalom

      3. I did not say that “Allah” is a name of a God, like “John” or “Alfred” are names of persons. Allah is only a common noun that in English is translated “God”, like “father” is a common noun for every person who has a son.
        Suppose the name of your father is John, while the name of my father is Alfred. For both of us the name “father” means what it means: your father for you, or my father for me. If now I write a book about the life of my father, you cannot complain that I use the word “father” in my book because my father (Alfred) is not your father (John). In fact the word “father” exixts before both of our father were even born…
        But that’s exactly what the Muslim are complaining because Christian Malay people use the common word “God” (in Malay language translated “Allah”) in their Bible. In fact the common noun for God : “Allah” in Malay, Indonesian and Arab languages exists before Mohamed was born and Islam religion was created…

      4. Mike R.

        Shalom.

        It must be “Isa U Akbar”. The problem is that this false Islamic Messiah, invented to replace Jesus, is dead and gone. A mortal prophet. The “god” of the Muslims do not have a begotten Son, equally God as “allah”. So this “god” is no God at all, and “Isa” just a demonic fiction.

      5. NO, Jesus Christ is GOD ALMIGHTY – He’s the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit, just as Isaiah 9:6-7 (or Isaiah 9:5-6 Jewish Bible) says. “allah” sure isn’t. Shalom

  9. The word “Allah” is of arab origin. The word “Allah” means “God” already centuries before Mohamed came and the islamic religion was created. Even in Indonesia, Catholic people call God “Allah”. In French it’s “Dieu”, In Italian: “Dio”. There is nothing wrong for Malay and Indonesian people to call God “Allah”, like there is nothing wrong for Malay people to call a car “kereta” (“car” in Malay language), or for Indonesian people to call a table “meja” (“table” in Malay language). In fact, maybe you can complain that LATER Muslim people began to call their God “Allah”, but no. Even Muslim people woship God the Father, the God of Abraham, only they don’t believe Jesus is His son, and that makes all the difference for the salvation. Even now in North America I myself go to an Indonesian church, because I don’t understand SPOKEN English but understand Indonesian, and people in the church, Christian and Catholic churches, have no shame to call God Allah. As I have already said above, the word Allah means “God” centuries before Islamic religion was created…

  10. Now I understand that people who don’t speak Malay or Indonesian associate the word “Allah” with “Islam”. Before I started learning Indonesian, the word “Allah” made me instantly think about Islam, but this is a mistake, as the word “Allah” does NOT mean “God of Islam”, it only means “God”. Now for non Indonesian or Malay speaking people, the word “Allah” hurts. But why? Is English better sounding to the ear? What about English words like “crash” (the noise of something crashing), or “splash” (the sound of something falling in the water), or “bump”, or “smash”, does not these words sound barbaric, especially for non English speaking people?

  11. You people! Mr. Honda writes his name on his products (i.e Cars, Motorcycles, generators, etc). Now, look at your hands. Your creator also wrote His name there through your fingers – Allah (in arabic). If that is not enough, He also wrote the numbers 18 (In your right hand) and 81 ( in your left hand) which sum to 99 – His good characters(or names). So, the name Allah applies to all people who were created, since there is only one creator. Now, be informed that Allah is ONE, Allah has NO SON, Allah resembles NOTHING, Allah is NOT ONE AMONG THE ‘THREE’.

  12. Sadam,

    You have no authority to back up your statements which are just a figment of your imagination and a dream where your god is the moon. Your religion is man-made and not from the Father Almighty. Arabic is a recent language and was not even spoken until five generations from Noah or about 1,750 years after Adam. Your self- proclaimed ‘prophet’ is even a more recent addition and lived, died, and was turned to dust 1,400 years ago. Our God is Yeshua HaMashiach and is alive today and gives the Holy Spirit to those who ask, not my works, but by grace. AMEN

  13. In the beginning, the word Allah was all over in the Bible. Later,the Vatican decided that Allah was not the same god as the Christians and make wars with Muslims, had purged all mention of Allah in the Bible to ‘God’. Now, some non Arab Christians wanted to call their god as Allah.

    I think all Christians must agree before it can be done.

  14. Before the Word, and before all things known to man, there was only Him and He was all things and He was everywhere. He IS still everywhere, He is still ALL of His Creation, and will remain after all is gone from this place. We toil now, but will not toil always. We know of this, and that, but without understanding we know neither, we believe in neither. To understand This, we leave That behind and travel one path to Him, with Him. The truth is one truth, and no more.

    In the Light we see our hearts and understand His Creation.

    In the darkness, the Darkness hides the path and the truth, and Darkness does have many names to confuse and to cause division, to falsely accuse. Darkness betrays the truth and covets the gifts of Creation for itself….for Darkness is known also as Alone and Emptiness, Dread and Fear, for all times and unto the End of this place.

    Fill your hearts with Light and understand when you are being divided and confused. Stay on the path and do not stray. We are all part of His Creation – so smile, laugh, share, teach, pray, and be filled with His Light and revere all those before you who have traveled This path and they have made it clearer for you. Help those who stray towards Dread and Emptiness.

  15. Looking at this site, which wants to give the impression it honours Yeshua, though ignores the mother tongue of that Nazarene Jewish rebbe. Yeshua himself used, like the people who still speak Aramaic, Allah, as well as all their Arabic related languages users. In Europe it is known certain Americans want to govern the world and would love to see their language been spoken by all other people. But why should we use your word for ‘God’ when for millennia we have other words also for use. Or do you mean all those who use an other word for God than you use have an other God.

    Though looking at your site that may well be, because you like the Vatican worship a three-headed god, and as such like the Roman and other Catholic Churches belong to those who in fact are polytheists, their gods having even less similar character essentials as their main god and as the equality of other gods in paganism their main god.

    It looks that your god Jesus does not know everything and can not do everything like his main god. So how can he be the same god?

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