Daily bread from the life of Y´shua

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Luke 2:21

«On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived».

The Messiah was circumcised. God wanted everyone to know that His Messiah was a Jew, and was going to be raised in a Jewish family. If God wanted to form a new religion, He would have told His mother: «Go and baptize your infant».

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48 thoughts on “Daily bread from the life of Y´shua

  1. Jesus was baptized, John the baptist baptized Jesus. John the baptist baptized with water, At the wedding Jesus performed the miracle of turning water into wine. Precurser to his crucifixion, the wedding and the wine is his blood. So accepting the blood of Christ is the baptism, John spoke of it saying It is I who should be baptized by you. It seems like that to me anyway…

    1. Ed,

      John the baptizer prepared the way for Jesus. He came preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

      We are still to be water baptized, for the remission of sins….to prepare the way for Jesus Christ into our lives.

      Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

      1. He does not say repent and be baptized in water. The blood of Jesus is for forgiveness of sins. It makes sense that the blood of Christ is the baptism greater than John the Baptists. Jesus couldn’t use his own blood since he had not shed it yet, so needed to be baptized in water. Peronally I’m going to go with that since the meaning of the miracles are greater than the miracles, what else could turning water into wine mean?

      2. Ed,

        Are you making up your own doctrine by saying Jesus turned water into wine, therefore we don’t have to be water baptized?
        Why let your mind wander to things of your own imagination?
        The Bible says don’t add to the word of God. We are not to go beyond what is written.

        We are to get baptized with water. Even after the Holy Spirit came…people were baptized in water.

        Then Peter said, “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” Acts 10:47

        Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Our old nature is to die and we are to be “buried with Him through baptism into death.” We are buried with the water, and raised out of the water, raised to “walk in newness of life” (live like Jesus).

        See Romans 6:4…
        We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

      3. If you go back a little bit further in that same passage it shows that they had already recieved remission from sin by solely by believing in Jesus. Peter is the one who added to it saying they should be baptized in water. Yet they had already recieved the benefit of being filled with the spirit and circumcised (cleaned of sin) inwardly.

      4. Ed,

        At least you admit that Peter said for them to be baptized with water.

        I guess you think you are an apostle reading to take away water baptism?

      5. That’s like something Satan would say to somebody because Satan accuses us both night and day. Merely looking for the facts of the matter here hun.

      6. Ed,

        I tried to show you that you’d be acting like an apostle, because the apostles with the prophets, and Jesus Christ himself as chief cornerstone laid the foundation. And they baptized with water, yet you say it is no longer needed, so you compare me to Satan? I guess like Satan you are a false accuser. Because this I know, I’m not like Satan, as you say, and you are trying to stop water baptism.
        You mean harm, but I meant no harm to you.
        God bless.

      7. Who baptizes today except the pope who baptizes infants? There is very little in the bible about baptizing. It makes far more sense what Peter was saying. Who can forbid them water / baptizing. Nobody because they were already baptized by The blood of the lamb Jesus for their firm belief and giving of almes. I’m not an apostle for trying to understand correctly what is written.

      8. I was baptized in water at the age of 12. So were my two brothers, and two sisters. My mom was in her early 20’s when she accepted Christ, and she was baptized. My father in his late 20’s, I think. And then there are those who are new believers of Christ (adults), and are baptized.

        We took biblical classes for a few weekends, so we understood what the baptism meant.

        I have been attending the church I attend all my life, and when my kids are ready to take the classes and understand what it is, then they too will go through it.

        God Bless.

      9. Good point, Gloria. People still obey Jesus’ commands to this day and get water baptized, and not only the Catholics as infants.

        Ed, you try to tell people that they should not of been water baptized, and you speak against water baptism. You say that after Jesus died no scripture says anyone was baptized in water.
        I gave you scripture showing that people continued to be baptized in water, even after the Holy Spirit was given. Yet you did not thank me for showing you this, instead you tried to give me the worst insult ever. You continue to deny the scriptures…
        Then Peter said, “Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” Acts 10:47

        So you see that Peter still believes in baptism…not only has Jesus’ blood already been shed on the cross…the Holy Spirit has already been given, yet Peter still baptizes with water.

        Here are more scripture for you to consider carefully, it shows people were baptized in water, even after Jesus was crucified, and after the Holy Spirit had came.

        Acts 8:12But when they believed Philip as he preached the good news of the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

        14When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

        Apostle Philip and the Eunuch

        As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. Why shouldn’t I be baptized?” Acts 8:36

        And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
        Acts 8:38

        When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away, and the eunuch did not see him again, but went on his way rejoicing.
        Acts 8:39

        Here Peter tells us about the water of baptism…

        20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

      10. Ed,

        You really are struggling with this. I want to continue this study with you. I hope that you stop believing and telling people not to get water baptized.

        1 Peter 3:20-22
        20who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

        Peter explains water baptism to be symbolized when the entire earth was flooded and everyone who did not get into the ark perished, yet those who got into the ark were resurrected through that same water.

        And Paul explains that the parting of the red sea symbolized water baptism into Christ Jesus.

        1 Corinthians 10:1-2
        1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

        If water baptism is not important nor required, then why would Peter and Paul speak of water baptism in this way?

      11. Dear Victoria and Ed.

        Jesus him self was baptized in the Jordan river. We are called to be like him. There is absolutely not defense for a “Christianity” outside of the commandment of baptism. The Bible is crystal clear.

        Acts 2:38
        Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

      12. Seems as though some are baptized without touching water. The waters of the red sea parted, those inside the ark kept their feet dry, some other instances people were filled with the spirit after the laying on of hands, others once they believed. Only the Eunich actually went into the water on all those examples.
        It makes no sense to me why Jesus was baptized other than as an example.
        There we’re also some conditions that went along with being baptized. The person being baptized was putting his right foot forward toward God..for lack of a better expression, making a good conscience towards God, sort of a pledge.
        The use of water, the actual ritual doesn’t seem to be stressed as much in the language as does what people did to show their committment. Anyway, it’s probably not a bad idea to get baptized with water.
        Do people ever get baptized more than once?

      13. Dear Ed.

        Mark: 10:39.

        “We can,” they answered. Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with.

        You have to be pretty dull not to be able to understand this. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan, and told his students to be baptized in a similar way.

      14. Nothing simple about that passage Ivar, unless you take away all the words that make it difficult to understand, possibly ruining its meaning in the process.

      15. Even butchered it seems to read as drinking of the cup which he drinks will baptize you with the baptism he is baptised with. This is framed around disciples asking to sit on his left and right hand of his throne. Then he says you don’t know what your asking. If his throne is the cross, the left and right hand are the two crosses on either side of that one. The crosses the two thieves occupied after asking the same request. Afterwards he says you will drink of that same cup..so that chapter definitely points towards his blood as baptism..water into wine.

      16. Ed,

        It seems you are coming around to the importance of water baptism. Please understand that I know there is water baptism and baptism of the Holy Spirit. A believer can be baptized with the Holy Spirit before, during, or after water baptism.

        Getting water baptized is obeying Jesus. It is a pledge to God, and it illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.

        Here is another scripture from Colossians, like Romans 6:3-4 that I gave earlier, it shows us how with water baptism, as believers we are buried with Jesus and raised with him…
        Colossians 2:11 In him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature, not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

        Here is Romans 6:3-4, again.

        3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

      17. Yeah I’m still on the fence. Do you believe Jesus can turn water into wine? Wine is his blood therefore baptism by his blood could be the same as water, or even better.

      18. Dear Ed.

        Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River. All Christians are called to follow His example. Ed. If you are not baptized, get ready. Based on you confession of faith in Him, any student of Jesus can baptize you the same way they have been baptized.

      19. Well, Ed, I want to be able to explain this to you, for myself also. It’s good to be able to know how to explain our beliefs. So, I am thankful of this time to study with you.

        When believers get baptized in water…they are doing this because they believe in Jesus and his blood.
        Who would be getting water baptized if they didn’t believe in the blood of Jesus?
        Since we know what we know about the blood of Jesus…that doesn’t mean we should deliberately skip water baptism…we get water baptized because we do know about the blood and what the blood does for us.

        Does that make any sense to you?
        Again, it is a pledge to God of a good conscience. We die, are buried and raised with him in baptism.
        We do this because Jesus shed his blood for us.

      20. John 1:33 John the baptist(speaking of Jesus) that is he which baptizes with the holy ghost.

        John 2:6 there were six water pots set out after the manner of the purification of the Jews…those are what Jesus turned into wine. Are those for baptizing?

      21. Ed,

        Didn’t you read what I wrote? Christians believe in the blood of Jesus, and we know what it does for us. And we still get water baptized and make the pledge to God.
        We die to the sins of the world, and we live obeying Jesus.
        Now please obey Jesus and make that pledge through water baptism. And stop with the teaching against water baptism.
        I’m done with discussion because now for sure we are going in circles.

      22. Don’t you have any sense of curiousity? What your saying is like the Pope. He says when he sits on his throne his interpretation of scripture is infallible and nobody can question it. That belief has brought on many false christian traditions that due to his belief in his infallibility will probably never change.

      23. Dear Ed.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Don’t you have any sense of curiousity? What your saying is like the Pope. He says when he sits on his throne his interpretation of scripture is infallible and nobody can question it.

        My reply:

        I am not sure if you feel it is me or Victoria who act like the Pope. In fact, we do not have to act like the Pope, giving any interpretation of scripture. The Bible is crystal clear in regards to baptism. Jesus took water baptism by John in the river Jordan. All Christians are called to follow His example.

        Please explain to us where we have done wrong.

      24. Ed,

        So far in this discussion you compared me to Satan and now the Pope. Jesus says people who judge other’s falsely are guilty of the very things they are accusing others of.
        You are the only one trying to make a new doctrine, and the doctrine you make is causing people to go against the Word of God.
        I have done nothing here but listen to what you had to say, and very patiently shown you scripture after scripture to show what is biblical.
        I guess you had to come back to give one more jab at me?

      25. Whatever…I said you were like Satan because you accused me falsly now you turn it around on me. I compared you to the pope because you assume your traditions are correct too. I don’t care anyway..I think he turned water into wine. “he which baptizes with the holy ghost”

        But I wouldn’t know what the six water vessels laid out according to the purification of the Jews means. Is that baptism? If so he obviously turned that water into wine.

        John 2:6 there were six water pots set out after the manner of the purification of the Jews…those are what Jesus turned into wine. Are those for baptizing?

  2. His point was not that Jesus would not later be baptized or that He would not later institute baptism as a memorial of His death, burial and resurrection, but rather that the BABY Jesus was circumcised as prescribed in the Law of God, and not baptized as they do in churches that have adopted the unfortunate, illogical practice of infant baptism. The Bible clearly relates that belief, repentance and confession of faith must clearly precede baptism, something that an infant is incapable of. Further yet, infant baptism is a expression of agreement with the concept that “original sin” is imputed to all of us, a doctrine that was first strongly promoted by the pagan pseudo-Christian Augustine of Hippo, but which can be found NOWHERE in Scripture.

    1. Of course there is original sin. The definition of sin according to the bible is disobedience to God. That’s what started all the problems, I can’t believe there is any dispute about that. He says there Jesus didn’t start any new religion. That’s a lot like trying to say he didn’t change Judaism but in actuality Jesus changed a lot, also corrected a lot of Jewish tradition that had gone astray, though the Jews did not listen or change what they were doing. Jesus said “If I told you a lie you would believe me then, I tell you the truth and you will not believe me” He wasn’t sayin what they wanted to hear.

  3. The point, Ed, was that there is no Scriptural justification for the concept promoted by some that the sin that was committed by Adam, the so-called “original sin,” has been “imputed,” or “charged to” every human ever born since then. “Of course there is original sin” is NOT evidence to support your position, but merely a statement of your claim. If you want to support your position, you must give me evidence from SCRIPTURE that original sin is imputed to every human ever born, and that is why infants need to be baptized, because they are guilty of the “original sin” even though they cannot even form opinions for themselves yet.
    As far as Jesus starting any new religion, He was simply fulfilling what was prophesied in the Old Testament. That is NOT starting a new religion. He is the prophesied Messiah. His ministry fulfilled in all respects what was prophesied hundreds of years before He became human. As the Apostle Paul writes in the book of Romans, all believers are grafted into the the tree that is Spiritual Israel, a tree that began from those Jews who were His original disciples, while those of the Jewish nation who rejected Christ were torn off of that original Spiritual tree. The roots of that Spiritual tree were formed by all the faithful during the Old Testament period, from Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Samuel, King David, all of the prophets; just as a new tree was not planted, but more branches were grafted in, so a completely new Church was not started, but was a continuation of the one already in existence. Christ came to clarify, NOT to abolish the law. As He stated in Matt. 5:17-18 (KJV): “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Heaven and earth have not yet “passed away” so not the least stroke of a pen has passed away from the Law. Some people think that Christ was changing the OT law when he disputed with the Pharisees about His disciples not obeying Pharisaic tradition of washing their hands before a meal in Matt. 15:2-3 (KJV): Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? Christ’s argument was not that His disciples should not wash their hands before they eat, but they should not have to follow the Pharisaic tradition of the ritual washing of hands before every meal, which was NOT a commandment of God, but the traditions of men that were imposed upon them, in direct violation of the commandments of God that NOTHING SHOULD BE EITHER ADDED TO OR TAKEN AWAY FROM THE LAW. Deut. 4:2: Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. This was augmented by Prov. 30:5-6 KJV: Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. That is why Christ said in Matt. 15:9: But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. God’s Law is NOT the commandments of men. Other people try to say that Christ did away with the Old Testament Law by His death on the cross. But the problem was not with the Law of God, the problem was sin in us. In Col. 2, Paul was trying to tell the Colossian Church, who had formerly been pagan gentiles, NOT to return to their old pagan ways, nor to let those in the pagan community, (many of whom were Gnostics, and emphasized acestecism and the denial of all fleshly pleasures) surrounding them to judge them in any Christian matter, but they were rather to let the “body of Christ” the Church, using God’s Word as a guide-rule, to judge them in Christian matters. The passage where Paul states that God had “having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross” refers to the fact that Christ nailed our sins to His cross, NOT God’s Law! The term “handwriting of ordinances” referred to a bill written by an individual in his own handwriting, obligating him/her to repay that debt. Old court documents have been found from the period where an individual was relieved of a debt, where the judge ordered the “handwriting” (Gr. cheirographon)to be crossed out! That is what Christ did for us; He paid our debt. The following passage that states “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” means just that. Let NO MAN judge you in Spiritual matters, such as those fesitivals ordained by God, but rather let the “body of Christ” judge you in these matters. The word “is” in the phrase “the body “is” of Christ, is NOT in the original Greek, but was added by uninspired translators later who were guided by erroneous doctrinal bias, as they felt it would make the passage more readble, but in fact it obscures the true meaning of the passage. So there you have it. There is not a scintilla of evidence in the NT that the OT law of God was abolished or that an entirely new Church was to be started. To be sure, the OT sacrifices were fulfilled in Christ, and need no longer be offered. But the festivals, the OT health laws, the Seventh-Day Sabbath, is still in effect. The vision Peter had while on the roof of Simon the tanner was not about food, but about the fact that Peter was not to consider gentiles as unclean. The Bible quite clearly interprets itself on this very passage.

    1. Paul,

      The Galatians who were from the Pagan religion, they observed special days, months, seasons and years. Observing special days, months, seasons and years is part of the way Pagans worship their false gods.
      After these Galatians became Christians, they were visited by Jews who were zealous to win them over; these Jews convinced them to follow the Jewish customs of observing special days, months, seasons and years.
      Those Jewish customs pointed to Jesus, they were about the Savior; these observances were “a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

      We are not to let anyone judge us by what we eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Again, they are a shadow of the things that were to come. (See Colossians 2:13-17)

      8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! 2 Corinthians 3:8-11

      Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Galatians 3:23-25

      Apostle Paul pleads with the Galatians to not turn to these weak and miserable principles. Paul has to form Christ in them all over again.

      Hebrews 7:19
      (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

      Galatians 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

      17Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may be zealous for them. 18It is fine to be zealous, provided the purpose is good, and to be so always and not just when I am with you. 19My dear children, for whom I am again in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you, 20how I wish I could be with you now and change my tone, because I am perplexed about you!

      1. Dear Paul and Victoria

        Shalom.

        The relationship between the Law and grace is an important topic. Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, so the law is still valid. But He came to fulfill the law.

        How has Jesus fulfilled the law?

        By taking the capital punishment that all lawbreakers deserve. If we follow the Law, we will surely have a better life. Paul even speaks about the Law of Christ. The law makes us aware of sin, and the need for all men to be saved.

        Observing the Law has never made anyone righteous. Salvation has always been a matter of mercy and grace, given freely by God of the Bible. From A to Z. From the beginning to the end. What Jesus did was to set us free from the punishment we all deserve, by making a perfect and final atonement for all sins by His own blood. Amen.

      2. The law is for law breakers. It is good to use the law to show others their sin, and to lead unbelievers to Christ. (See 1 Timothy 1:9-11)

        We who live by the Spirit, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

        We are not to be judged by what we eat, drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Those things are a shawdow of Christ revealed.
        Nor do we have to circumcize. Circumcision was an outward sign to separate a nation unto God. We are now separated to God by faith in His Son.

        You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcison nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth? That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls you. “A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough,” Galatians 5:4-9

        The Bible tells us of times when people from the circumcision group tried to get those saved to follow Jewish customs, even Peter tried at one time.
        We are warned in the Bible more than once about this.

        Hebrews 12:15 See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many.

      3. Dear Victoria

        Shalom.

        1 Corinthians 9:21
        To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law.

        (end of scripture)

        To not being under the supervision of the Law, might end up in lawlessness if this instruction is misunderstood. We are not suppose to take grace for granted. Friday evening is the Biblical Sabbath. Sunday in the Lord’s day. We are not suppose to mix up such events, but love the commandments of Jesus. That is why Paul explains that he Is not “free”, but under the Law of Christ. The same lawgiver who educated the Jews, by giving them the Law of Moses.

        Deuteronomy 5:10
        but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        1 John 3:18
        Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth.

        We who love Jesus, are supposed to walk on Earth as Jesus did. Not many Christians I know, try their best to copy Him, and be like Him.

        1 John 2:6
        Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

        Something we all need to seriously reflect on.

    2. Ivar,

      You said:
      “To not being under the supervision of the Law, might end up in lawlessness is this instruction is misunderstood.”

      But that is what the Words of God says. We cannot change the truth because someone might misunderstand it, or because of some fear.

      You said:
      “Friday evening is the Biblical Sabbath. Sunday in the Lord’s day. We are not suppose to mix up such events, but love the commandments of Jesus.”

      Every day belongs to the Lord. So, I don’t know what you mean by “Sunday is the Lord’s day.” May I ask where is that in the Bible?

      Friday at sundown till Saturday sundown is the Sabbath. And those in Christ are not to be judged by a Sabbath. We are not to let anyone judge us by what we eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Again, they are a shadow of the things that were to come.

      I love the Word of God. I have only repeated what the Holy Bible says. I obey Jesus’ commands.

      Trust in God with all your heart. Do not be afraid of keeping the words of the Bible, no matter what you think. God’s word is better than what man is afraid of.
      Perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. (See 1 John 4:8)
      Provers 3
      5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
      and lean not on your own understanding;

      6 in all your ways acknowledge him,
      and he will make your paths straight.

      1. Dear Victoria

        Shalom.

        The Lords day:

        Revelation 1:10
        On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet.

        On the Sabbath.

        Jesus kept the Sabbath. He is the Lord of the Sabbath.

        I do say Sabbath Shalom on Friday’s to Jews, and and I keep the Lord’s day on Sunday, as millions of other Christians.

        We can also call our Sunday worship, for resurrection Sunday. Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the Jewish week.

      2. Ivar,

        There are numerous Scriptural references to the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2: 12-18; 13: 9; Jeremiah 46: 10; Joel 1: 15, 16; 2 Peter 3: 10). All speak of a day in which Yahweh brings destruction on the earth. It is not a quiet day of worship on the first day of the week. Read the whole Book of The Revelation. The writer has described a time of destruction. There is reference to the voice sounding like a trumpet in the passage under discussion. This is consistent with subsequent references in this book (4: 1; 8: 13; and 9: 14). John was taken in the Spirit to a great day of the future.

        The first day of the week was not officially known as the Lord’s Day until the time of the Council of Laodicea when the council ratified a change in custom which was already well established. The “Christian” church of the day made the change.

        In conclusion, it does not matter on which day of the week that John saw his vision. It could have been any day. The important point, which has been missed by many translators and commentators, is that John was taken in the Spirit to be shown what the Day of the Lord, at the end of the world, would be like so that he could provide a warning to all people.

        Read full article here:
        (Please note, I’m not promoting that site, as I have not fully checked it out. But, I do agree with the wording about this topic.)

        http://www.tyndalearchive.com/scriptures/www.innvista.com/scriptures/compare/lordsday.htm

      3. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        John the Apostles was obviously not facing the day or Wrath, when Jesus showed him the future day of Wrath. So this might be another “Lord”s day”, a day of celebration. I am quite sure that the Apostles held a huge party on the first day of the week, the day the resurrected Lord had appeared to Mary Magdalene.

        I do rejoice with the Jews, who up held the Sabbath. And I do rejoice with Christians who celebrate the resurrected Lord on the first day of the week. Sabbath is a day of rest, and of holiness. A police who has to work on a Sunday, can keep the day of rest on a Friday.

        Religious Jews are also in need of a Fire Department that work on Friday nights.

        Today, is Friday. Sabbath Shalom to all my readers.

      4. Ivar,

        Yes, for Jews who are not saved yet by Jesus, they should continue to do what the Torah says.
        As for you giving permission for some to work on the Sabbath, maybe the police and fireman should not get paid on this day? What about the man and woman who work this day because the boss says to, and they need the money for their family? Is that not a good thing they do too? Maybe you can think of ways for other people not to be judged too?

        Or, how about you not judge anyone on this day…and not just special treatment for paid fireman and police?

        All I will continue to say about this, one more time, is what the Word of God says, and that is believers are not to let anyone judge us by what we eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. Again, they are a shadow of the things that were to come. (See Colossians 2:13-17)

        I love God’s Word. And I’m not going to let man talk me out of obeying it. It’s plain and clear. Grace.

        As for Apostle John, he was seeing the Lord’s Day. I gave scripture from the Old Testament says about the Lord’s Day. I believe that is plain too.

        As for when the believers got together and met at church…this could be any day of the week. But it was not on the Sabbath, probably because the city was on watch.

  4. I just wanted to point a few verses out.

    In Psalm 51 verse 5 David says: Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

    Romans 3 verse 23 and 34: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

    John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

    Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

    Jesus indicates that children will go to heaven:
    [Mk 10:14]: “When Jesus saw this, He was indignant. He said to them, ‘Let the little children come to Me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these.”

    God Bless.

  5. Ed is right. Paul says there is ONE baptism. It is with the Holy Spirit, not with water; else we have two ‘baptisms’ and Paul is shown a liar.

    Jesus never gave anybody but his apostles a command to baptise, and they were to “baptise IN THE NAME>..” – not in water!

    Nothing has like water-baptism caused division and animosity in Christ’s Body; what a shame on Christianity.

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    1. Dear Gerhard

      Shalom.

      There are a lot of wired and strange men who claim they know Jesus, and what kind of baptism the apostles practiced.

      Please read the Bible:

      Act 8: 36-38

      As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” The eunuch answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.” And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

      1. Yes. The eunuch was rather audacious, don’t you think — telling an apostle’s deputy what to do. While he scarcely knew his Bible!!

        I think it was a mistake that eunuch was ever baptised! And that that is why the incident was recorded by Luke.

      2. Dear Gerhard.

        Shalom.

        You are not a Christian, but a Bible critic. The Bible is the Word of God, not a collection of more of less funny man made stories.

        If you can find other errors in the Bible, you are greater than God of the Bible. He is the truth., but you have made him an unreliable liar.

  6. When people talk about Sabbath they can only say how they keep it or not; they only talk about their own works how holy they are either by keeping the Sabbath or by not keeping the Sabbath. People are all, the same!

    When have you heard about GOD’S works on the Sabbath and OF the Sabbath? I guess NEVER!

    The Sabbath is ALL about GOD’S works; nothing at all about man’s.

    And the ultimate of God’s works was to raise Christ from the dead, and IN IT to have triumphed and RESTED : “SABBATH’S”!.

    NOTHING on Sunday!

    Christians are not worshippers of the “weak and beggarly first principle no-gods, days months seasons years” of PAGANISM AND GREEK MYTH, of which “the day of the lord SUN” is the hermaphrodite lord and queen.

    1. Dear Gerhard.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      The Sabbath is ALL about GOD’S works; nothing at all about man’s.

      My comment:

      I do not mind people having private opinion’s about the teachings of Jesus. BUT: Please quote scriptures.

      Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath said it is permitted to DO GOOD on the Sabbath.

      Matthew 12:12
      How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”

      1. Yes!

        I see Jesus’ doing good on the Sabbath Day of salvation by the Power of his Resurrection in his saying; not man’s worthless attempts.

        As I see Jesus’ redemption of the work-animal — man — from the mud of his own attempts at justification and righteousness.

        The Sabbath tells us of God’s works; of his salvation “wrought in Christ”, even where Jesus illustrated the truth of it with an example of a dumb beast saved from DEATH “ON THE SABBATH”! .

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