Catholic Church worship “Maria Bambina” of a gnostic gospel

The Mother of God can be adored as “Maria Bambina” in the city of Milan. There is no trace of this Queen of a New Age religion in the Holy Bible.

Maria Bambina is the Queen of Heaven, worshiped even as a child by the Pope.

The church of Santa Maria Fulcorina, The Cathedral  in Milan holds the origin of Marianism, and is the very shrine of the idol of ‘Maria Bambina”.

The Catholic Church do not only venerate and adore adults. The Vatican even worship the claimed to be “Mother of God”, in the form of a statute of her claimed body during infancy.

Lets read from the official website:

The devotion to Maria Bambina in the city of Milan can be traced back to 1007, the year in which the church of Santa Maria Fulcorina was dedicated to the “Mystery of the Nativity of Mary.” Eventually the church became the Cathedral Church of Milan, Saint Mary Major. In 1251 Pope Innocent IV granted in perpetuity a plenary indulgence for those who visit the Cathedral on the feast day of Mary’s Nativity (September 8th).

To those who feel that “marianism” is not a part of mainstream Catholicism, think again. The late pope Paul II was a devoted worshiper of Catholic Mary, and did pay the shrine of Maria Bambina a visit.

Pope John Paul II pray at the shrine of Maria Bambina in Milan.

This is a statement from John Paul II made in November 1984.

“This mystery [of the Holy Childhood of Mary] seems to be very little known. I think you have a great task…….. to deepen the appreciation of the mystery of Mary’s childhood.”

Pope John Paul II,
[speaking to the Sisters of Charity of Milan)
Sisters of Charity Motherhouse
Milan, Italy
November 4, 1984

We need to investigate, and look at more photo’s:

To make this issue a matter of complete confusion. Maria Bambino can be found in many shrine around the World. And while Maria Bambina has blue eyes in Italy, she is a black eyed baby girl in Mexico.

Since “Maria Bambina” is the very foundation of “Catholic Mary”, we can clearly see that the Catholic faith is a cult, and the first massive New Age Movement that took Christianity astray around 400 A.D.  Since “Catholic Mary” is a gnostic personality, surely her son is also a gnostic copy of the Messiah.

The Cathrdral of Milan that keep the idol of Maria Bambina.
Maria Bambina comes in many versions in Italy. Most of them have blue eyes.
The idol of Maria Bambina in Mexico comes with black eyes.
The idol of Maria Bambina in Italy comes with a glory inform of a metal ring.

The doctrine behind the adoration and veneration of Maria Bambina does not have support in a single letter in the Bible. The formation of this idol, protected by a Catholic Church in Milan in Italy, is fully based on the gnostic book called the “gospel of James”.

What does the “gospel of James” tell us?

This book explains that Mary had a miraculous birth, and remind a virgin all her life. Her children mentioned in the canonized Gospels, are explained to be the children Joseph had from an earlier marriage. He was a widower, and remarried the young Jewish virgin. This gospel written down around 150 A.D, claims Joseph never had sex with his second wife.

The problem with this doctrine, is that not a single letter in the Bible can be used to support such “Christianity”. To the radical opposite it is blunt blasphemy, to suggest that the Jews would adore and venerate this Jewish girl, even before the Angles appears to her when she is a teen.

An idol of Maria Bambina owned by the Ilano Family of Imus, Cavite.

On Sicily in Italy, there is a festival where the idol of Maria Bambina is venerated, adored and worshiped. The idol is carried on the shoulders of local Roman Catholics.

A bald idol of Maria Bambina on the island of Sicily.
Catholic priests lead the Italians into the perfect parade that expose their pagan religion worshiping the bald idol of Maria Bambina.

These images from Ciminna can be viewed on this site.

The Jewish virgin Miriam was never worshiped as a Queen, nor a holy Jewish baby girl. It is laughable to suggest that this pregnant teen would be lifted up high in the ancient Jewish society.  It was an offense to even suggest that a virgin could become pregnant. Even today, teenage pregnancy is not saluted as something desirable.

And if any girl today, would have come home and told her parents that she has become pregnant without having sex, she would quickly have been admitted to a mental hospital.

If such a girl in 2010 has added to the “story” that she had become pregnant by the Holy Spirit, she would probably been driven to suicide or killed. Even in the most nobel and religious Catholic family in Italy.

Shame on all Catholic teachers, who have made their faith a complete falsehood and blasphemy against God of the Bible.

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62 thoughts on “Catholic Church worship “Maria Bambina” of a gnostic gospel

  1. Yes and Maria Bambino or whatever they wish to call IT will soon unite nicely with this Islamic obsession with MARY mother of Jesus.
    Soon the apparitions of HER(demonic) will speak the language of Islam as well…soon..

  2. Also It must be pointed out – it is the innocent face of this doll like goddess thatprobably is the hardest part- the clashing of our known values to date- a apparent “doll” being worshipped when what the eye sees looks merely like a doll a child would adore!
    Perhaps thats just the point..

    1. Dear Melanie.

      Shalom.

      The issue of the worship of Maria Bambina is that this Catholic practice in gnostic paganism. This girl was born without sin, lived without sinning, and was taken up in Heaven in body and soul. She is not human, but a goddess, the banned Queen of Heaven from the book of Jeremiah.

  3. Oh Yes Ivar agree with you there- it is just the deception that is so hard to comprehend..so many minds would be asleep to this blasphemy.

    Kind regards Brother-keep up the goood work in His name.

  4. It is very rare occurance that a virgin becomes pregnant, but it has happened..usually the virgin involved becomes very sexually active, short of actual intercourse. The sperm, is indeed, very active and can impregnate a female when in the area a sperm can live for 5 days and and fights for survival. I work in the medical field and have personally seen this happen 1 time. so..

  5. Dear Ivar,

    Thank you for this article.

    This idol makes the “Bride of Chucky” look like an episode of “Touched by and Angel.” Have Catholics cut this passage out of their Bibles:

    “Thou shalt have NO other gods before me. Thou shalt NOT make unto thee any GRAVEN IMAGE, or any likeness of ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt NOT bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:3)

    It never ceases to amaze me how the supporters of the Roman Catholic church will not do everything they can to defend the blatant blasphemies taking place right before their eyes.

    NO GRAVEN IMAGES MEAN NO GRAVEN IMAGES!

    This includes demonic dolls named Maria Bambina. This includes pictures of a blond-haired, blue-eyed Jesus. This includes pictures of a dark-haired, brown-eyed Jesus. It includes ANY IMAGE OF JESUS at all. It includes statues, crucifixes, idols, pope memorabilia, Vatican snow-globes, pope lawn ornaments,
    glossy photos of the pope in a frame, plastic souvenirs of the pope, mary, or any other “saint”, pope John Paul biographies on your living room table, pope night-lights in the bedroom, “mary” shaped cookie jars in the kitchen, pope Benedict TOILET BOWL BRUSHES in the bathroom, rosary beads, shot-glasses with the pope’s face on them, couch throw pillows with images of saints, Francis of Assisi idols in the birdbath, pope T-shirts, papal charms hanging from your cell phone, text messages to your friends on “veneration days”, and glow in the dark ceiling stick-ons depicting assorted pope faces.

    Catholics and “secret” Catholics, STOP dancing on hot coals, playing idiotic word games defending Catholicism and putting your very salvation and/or rewards at risk — because you refused to COMPLETELY RENOUNCE this demonic “religion.” God is not mocked and any allegiance (ANY!) to this cult will be JUDGED!

    “AND THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDETH UP FOR EVER AND EVER. (REV. 14:11).

    “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and IDOLATERS and all LIARS, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

  6. Well, there are ‘graven images’ made of bronze or stone or marble, there are engravings of wood or metal, there are graven images formed by the photographic process using silver halides or color dyes, there are graven images created through electronic means such as television, video games, and all the images that show up on your computer screen. If no graven images are allowed, we are all in big trouble.

    Well, I just looked up the definition of GRAVEN IMAGE, in the Websters Collegiate Dictionary, it says:

    “an object of worship carved usu. from wood or stone : IDOL”
    The big thing in this definition is “object of WORSHIP,”
    Our statues are not objects of worship, veneration or honor, yes but worship, NO

    We usually have photographs of our loved ones, and sometimes kiss their pictures when we miss them. We often hang photographs on our wall, or mount them on a table so that they are always near us, almost like we do with images of saints. Photographs, like statues are likewise images, but keeping them certainly isn’t idolatry. We certainly don’t worship the paper with which the photo is made of. Photographs are simply a sophisticated and updated version of graven images, the product of modern technology, yet these are still images nonetheless.

    Also did you know!!! That the early Christians lived in a mainly pagan and hostile society. During Nero’s persecution (64 A.D.) their religion was considered “a strange and illegal superstition”. The Christians were mistrusted and kept aloof, they were suspected and accused of the worst crimes. They were persecuted, imprisoned, sentenced to exile or condemned to death. Unable to profess their faith openly, the Christians made use of symbols, which they depicted on the walls of the catacombs and, more often, carved them on the marble-slabs which sealed the tombs. Like the ancient, the Christians were very fond of symbolism. The symbols were a visible reminder of their faith. The term “symbol ” refers to a concrete sign or figure, which, according to the author’s intention, recalls an idea or a spiritual reality. The main symbols are: the Good Shepherd, the “Orante”, the monogram of Christ and the fish. Think about you History, Scripture, and traditions……especially TRADITIONS!!!!

    1. Michael

      Do you kneel before your dead relatives & friend’s photos? Do you put candles & flowers before their photos? Do you then pray to them? Would you like your dead sister’s body exhumed, waxed & put on display? Would you find it right in your heart to watch people kneeling in front of her displayed dead body? Would you like strange hands undressing her dead body, changing the clothes & re-dressing her dead bones again so she can be put on display and gawked at – because you say no one is worshiping her.

      I will only kneel in front of my Lord Jesus. I would be ashamed if He came & found me kneeling before anyone or anything else.

      Kay

      1. Yes I pray for relatives both living and dead, and its out of RESPECT!! of course you can, and should, pray for the dead and for those who have died.

        None of us know where anyone is in the afterlife. If they are in Heaven, they do not require your prayers and God can use your prayers for the benefit of others. If they are in Hell (God forbid) they can not use your prayers and God can use your prayers for the benefit of others. If they are in Purgatory, God they can use all the prayers they can get.

        And by the way there are no dead people; we all live forever from this life to the next. With that in mind, it makes sense to pray for them. Then you ask….why have relics????

        If someone had the tunic Jesus wore, preserved all of theses years, would you want a small cutting?
        I would. I think that would be awesome to have. And I do believe it would be a blessed article. Why? Because of my faith. Would I pray to the tunic if I owned it? No. That would be stupid, wouldn’t it? I would pray to Jesus, and be very glad I actually had something which he carried with him everyday. I would feel closer to him, as if time was not so distant and I could meditate easier on when he was walking on earth every day. I draw a clear line between worshipping God, and taking care of his tunic. His tunic didn’t create the universe, after all.

        My feeling about collecting saint’s bones and hair, etc. is that many often run the risk of offering a great deal of honor to the creature, not the Creator. After all, even though the saint might have had an extraordinary will, the saint would not be a saint if it were not for the grace of God. The Doctrine of the Church freely embraces the use of saint’s relics. Therefore, having a saint’s relics must be with the understanding that to be a saint, one must have great humility, knowing that their salvation was a gift from God, and that without God’s mercy none of us would be saved. Saints do not deserve glory in their own right. But we can glorify God because of them.

      2. MIchael,

        Jesus said:
        “…You…are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.”. (Matthew 23:27).

        Bones of the dead are unclean. I would not have anything to do with a church that prays to & plays with dead bones. It is very much an indicator of bad fruit.

        Kay

      3. Michael,

        You said: Yes I pray for relatives both living and dead, and its out of RESPECT!! of course you can, and should, pray for the dead and for those who have died.

        My Comment: Why would you pray for someone that is already dead? For Jesus says: after death comes judgment. There is no reason to pray for them once they are dead, not even respect is a reason.

        Hebrews 9:27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,

        You said: If someone had the tunic Jesus wore, preserved all of theses years, would you want a small cutting? I would. I think that would be awesome to have. And I do believe it would be a blessed article. Therefore, having a saint’s relics must be with the understanding that to be a saint, one must have great humility, knowing that their salvation was a gift from God, and that without God’s mercy none of us would be saved

        My Comment: I do not deserve what Christ did for me by dying on the cross, but I accept the free gift, and by accepting it– it would never make a sinner like me a saint.

        The BIble says: For all have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God.

        Romans 1:25 Because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

    2. OK lets think about catholicTRADITIONS. The papist religion has lots of them, and they are unbiblical, self perpetuating myths, mere rules taught by men (not just taught, actually arbitrarily imposed with the threat of excommunication or violent bloodshed and death)
      It has been catholic tradition:-
      To use diabolical cruelty and mental torment to oppress non catholics.
      To be institutionally anti semitic.
      To meddle in the internal political and economic affairs of nations, actively promoting quarrels and conflicts if they will serve the purposes of the papacy.
      To bow down to and worship idols made of wood, stone, metal etc.
      To allow most people to remain illiterate
      To allow the clergy and their agents to prosper at the expense of mass poverty.
      To value the opinions of catholic theolgians as of higher value than authentic Biblical revelation
      To make the Lord’s passover communion into an idol feast
      To give mary unwarranted and unecessary attention
      Just a few for starters….

      1. You said “OK lets think about catholicTRADITIONS. The papist religion has lots of them, and they are unbiblical”

        I am going to ask really simple and plain…….where in the Bible does it say the “Bible” is the Sole Authority???

        Sola Scriptura protestants like it because it, by definition, negates the need for any church or any teaching authority. It leads to the completely illogical (which most prominent modern protestant biblical scholars admit) position that the bible is “self interpreting”. And we know how ridiculous that claim is – a book cannot authenticate itself, because when you finally go to the “first” of the books that supposedly starting the authentication process of all the other books, who or what authenticated that first book? We had a HUGE debate on this very issue several weeks ago on this blog site and that very question was never answered. You guys go off tagent on other dumb prejudice debates. The very reason why is simple: there IS NO ANSWER. There is no Sola Scriptura!

        Finally, protestants like it because it gives THEM individual “command” to interpret the bible in a manner that suits them at any given point in time. The most difficult thing for a protestant to defend are the number of different protestant denominations that now exist for the sola rationis that they cannot all come to an agreement on what the bible means on very important points of doctrine.How many members are on this site or this denomination???

    3. Micheal,

      Definition of VENERATE
      1
      : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
      2
      : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion

      Definition of DEVOTION
      1
      a : religious fervor : piety
      b : an act of prayer or private worship —usually used in plural

    4. Jesus never taught us to hang on to symbols in order to keep our faith fortified in times of distress, persecuton or imprisonment.

  7. Michael,

    “And by the way there are no dead people; we all live forever from this life to the next. With that in mind, it makes sense to pray for them. ”

    We are all dead, we can do nothing more, our future is set. Even Lazarus could do nothing for the richman or his relatives because he was dead.

    “If someone had the tunic Jesus wore, preserved all of theses years, would you want a small cutting?”

    the answer, No. I have Jesus with me all the time, why would I want a tatter of garment that he may or may not have worn here in this life when I look forward to Him giving me my gloried body. Everything I have right now is personally given to me from Jesus, why live in the past where the dead reign?

    “After all, even though the saint might have had an extraordinary will, the saint would not be a saint if it were not for the grace of God. The Doctrine of the Church freely embraces the use of saint’s relics. ”

    All appearances, my friend. 1 Samuel 16:7

    7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not consider his appearance… for I have rejected him. The Lord does not look at the things man looks at. Man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

  8. John 4:23-24 says:
    “Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

    Worshiping in Spirit and in Truth has nothing to do with what the human eyes and hands can physically see and touch (e.g. relics, dolls, etc.). It is about our hearts and spirits directly interacting with God through the blood of Jesus Christ and the help of The Holy Spirit who lives in us. It is a worship in which God alone (not physical things) is the focus.

  9. You would be proud to own a scrap of Jesus’s “tunic”?? How small is your vision!

    “Lay not up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
    Matthew 6:19-21

    If you would set aside your elaborate papist dogmas, study your bible and take it seriously, you would know that God takes away your filthy rags and gives you a robe of righteousness. Jesus has no need of earthly raiment. Zechariah knew this, his change of clothing was a sign of things to come. He was a PRIEST, (a high priest actually), yet his robes were nevertheless filthy, symbolic of sin and self righteousness, and a pointer to the future revealing of the Lamb of God who TAKES AWAY sin. So too did the apostles know it, they who went on the mountain of transfiguration with the Lord Yaeshua/Jesus and saw his “tunic”?? (tallit, not tunic, get that right!) became dazzling white, because of the glory of God. I expect Moses’s and Elijah’s tallits were dazzling white too.

    “And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.”
    Revelation 19:8

  10. to continue on!

    The other problem is, sola Scriptura itself contradicts Scripture. You NEED an authoritative oral Tradition and Magisterium to go along with an authoritative written Tradition otherwise there turns out to be “lots of denominations” Christians that are “not one big group” a wide “range(s) of beliefs” on “doctrine and theology”, etc.

    There are Traditions that are imperative to the existence of Scripture itself that are not within Scripture. But we NEED them to even have Scripture.

    There are traditions of men that make void the commandments of God too and we need to beware of them. I would say sola Scriptura (any definition that I’ve seen) is one of those traditions of men that nullify the commandments of God.

    The other thing is, I’ve talked to many Bible-ONLY Christians who DO hold to the same sola Scriptura attitude you are trying to tell me you don’t hold to (i.e. some my own extended family members are/were Bible ONLY Christians came in from Lutheranism and deny any authoritative oral Tradition). But WHO has the ultimate authority to make such decisions in your tradition? Who is right—you or them?

    You might say “Well I’ve talked to Catholics who don’t believe such and such”. But these “Catholics” are by definition taking themselves out of the communion of believers and thus can be called Catholic in name only. Why? Because they are doing in essence the same thing Lutherans are doing by denying the Apostolic authority of the Magisterium or admitting it and refusing to submit to it (or both). Possibly they are doing this as what they perceive as being in “good conscience”. That’s another discussion beyond this thread (if interested see CCC paragraphs 1776-1802 for a reasonable start) and would concern “forming your conscience,” “spiritual sloth”, etc.

    Who is the FINAL authority of interpretation of Christ’s teachings? Either it’s YOU, or it’s someone you follow and accept as authoritative. WHO says what tradition is authoritative or not and harmonizes with Sacred Scripture? YOU or the Baptist who says Lutherans shouldn’t Baptize babies because it’s “unscriptural”. I’d agree with you that Baptizing babies IS Scriptural, but that’s not the issue. It doesn’t matter what I say merely because I say it. The issue is WHO has the final authority to interpret Christ’s teachings?

    In your tradition it’s either you or someone you follow (neither of which even claim apostolic authority).

    You said “Sola Scriptura was never meant to mean “Bible Only”. But I (and I’ll bet many here) have talked to many Bible ONLY Christians who say YOU Alix1912 are wrong and that’s exactly what it means; and proceed to quote verses to try to stuff their definition of sola Scriptura into the particular verse they are quoting to me. A definition you just denied.

    Any why appeal to Luther’s tradition of sola Scriptura but reject his Marian devotion themes or his teachings on the contraception issue, or other teachings that were in line with classic Christianity that Lutherans sometimes reject now.

    You also stated: “Lumping us all together or treating us like the redheaded stepchild only weakens your argument and reinforces the misconception that Catholics are elitist and don’t know anything about any other faiths.”

    That’s just it. We don’t “lump you all together”. In a certain sense you are all separate “boats” sailing in different directions on your own—in a very turbulent sea. That’s the issue.

    This is why I’ve said before, it is very difficult to say what Protestants affirm and what they don’t affirm because as soon as you quote Luther (or someone else) to them they say something like “Well Luther doesn’t speak for me.” And they’re right. Because nobody’s got Apostolic authority in the Lutheran (or any other Bible ONLY) tradition. Protestantism seems to be more easily defined by what they DENY instead of what they AFFIRM.

    What it all boils down to is WHO has the ultimate authority to interpret the word of God (both oral and written). Who has this Apostolic authority?

    And if you honestly don’t think it’s the Catholic Church, don’t violate your conscience but then you ought to be looking within Christendom WHERE this Apostolic authority is being proclaimed and lived out.

    If you undertake this search with a repentant heart for all sins, a willingness to go wherever God calls you, and to search prayerfully and carefully with an open heart, this search (and of course the Holy Spirit) will lead you to where the authentic Apostolic authority is. I believe this search will lead you to the Catholic Church.

    One thing’s for sure, if there are 11,000 (or 33,000) bible only groups or denominations all claiming to follow the bible ALONE as their ultimate authority, all claiming to follow the dictates of the Holy Spirit, and yet all coming to differing conclusions on various issues, you KNOW at least 10,999 (or 29,999) of them are going to be wrong somewhere. The Holy Spirit does NOT author chaos.

    1. “There are traditions of men that make void the commandments of God too and we need to beware of them”

      The rcc DID make void the commandments of God. In fact they do so IN WRITING!. Many of their abominations are stated in writing.

  11. Finally….

    Because men are fallible, and the only guarantee of infallibility in the bible is for the bible itself. Like it or not, tradition and magisterium are man made, and do not carry any promise of infallibility.

    Yes the bible is infallible, but what you are effectively stating is that nobody can have the complete and infallible teachings from it. A book can’t talk to you or communicate with you. It’s a one-way thing: you read the book and come to a conclusion about what it teaches, and lots of other people will likely disagree. You can talk to certain people and by way of communication determine that you and another person either agree or disagree, but the book can’t do that for you.

    So in the end, all these Protestants saying “Well that’s not Scriptural,” “Repent and return to the truth here in the bible, look!” are effectively claiming that they are properly interpreting this book and the book can’t speak up for itself to agree with any of them.

    Fortunately we have God, who works wonders by his Holy Spirit, even through men, allowing them to not only write Scripture (his Holy Prophets) but to assemble and interpret them (the Church.) And we can go to the Church, and talk to a priest, and they will be able to come to agree or disagree with us so that we know if we are in agreement with the Scriptures or not.

    But unfortunately, too many are so eager to have nobody to turn to so that they may be affirmed in their faith, and too eager to believe that they are somehow led by God and have the infallible truth even though they disagree with countless others who say the same for themselves.

    1. Who was the Magesterium or teaching authority in Jesus’ day? Somehow the Jews understood the scriptures without the catholic church and the pope to tell them how to interpret the scripture ( for thousands of years).

    2. Michael,

      You said: “Fortunately we have God, who works wonders by his Holy Spirit, even through men, allowing them to not only write Scripture (his Holy Prophets) but to assemble and interpret them (the Church.) And we can go to the Church, and talk to a priest, and they will be able to come to agree or disagree with us so that we know if we are in agreement with the Scriptures or not.”

      If you believe this, how can you possibly approve of the nonsense that the RCC has peddled for so many centuries–such as the teachings of the Mary cults? NOWHERE in Scripture is there any indication that we should think of Mary as “the mother of God” or “the co-redemptrix”!

      You said: “But unfortunately, too many are so eager to have nobody to turn to so that they may be affirmed in their faith, and too eager to believe that they are somehow led by God and have the infallible truth even though they disagree with countless others who say the same for
      themselves.”

      The fog count on that statement is pretty high but I’ll take a crack at refuting it. We have the Truth—over and over, the Scriptures assert that the word of God is the Truth. We ALL should be interpreting the Scriptures for ourselves under the tutelage of the Holy Spirit. (see 1 John 2:27 and Philippians 2:13). To insist that mere men can teach us
      more about the Scriptures than can the Holy Spirit is clearly contradicting Scripture. As for divisions among Protestants, the Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 11:18-19: “For, in the first place, when you come together
      as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you. And I believe it in part, for there must be factions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.” The Holy Spirit is an infallible interpreter of Scripture—men are not. Those who closely abide in the word of God, typically agree on what the Bible says. However, wishful thinking (that is, desiring to believe lies) and sinful thoughts and attitudes toward each other is the source of division among church men and women. RCC priests are just as much subject to these forces in this world full of evil. Those inside the Vatican would likely disagree with your naive assertion that there are not major disagreements between members of the Magisterium.

  12. Michael: But unfortunately, too many are so eager to have nobody to turn to so that they may be affirmed in their faith..

    But that is NOT what the Bible teaches…

    2 Cor 13: 5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you–unless, of course, you fail the test?

  13. Of course you all have not answered my very first Question as usual!
    Again I say …….where in the Bible does it say the “Bible” is the Sole Authority???

    Sola Scriptura protestants like it because it, by definition, negates the need for any church or any teaching authority. It leads to the completely illogical (which most prominent modern protestant biblical scholars admit) position that the bible is “self interpreting”. And we know how ridiculous that claim is – a book cannot authenticate itself, because when you finally go to the “first” of the books that supposedly starting the authentication process of all the other books, who or what authenticated that first book? We had a HUGE debate on this very issue several weeks ago on this blog site and that very question was never answered. You guys go off tagent on other dumb prejudice debates. The very reason why is simple: there IS NO ANSWER. There is no Sola Scriptura!

    I will ignore all other nonsense answers you all have until this is answered!

  14. Michael: “Again I say …….where in the Bible does it say the “Bible” is the Sole Authority??? ”

    Sola scriptura is ONE of the five solas.

    Where in the Bible does it say that we are to replace the living Word of God with any doctrine?

    …Do you not realize that Christ is IN You – unless of course, you fail the test? 2 Cor 13: 5

  15. Hi sue,

    “You have nullified the word of God, for the sake of your tradition” (Matt. 15:3, 6).”

    Not only did Jesus say that, but this too (and several times!): Get thee behind me, Satan: FOR IT IS WRITTEN.

    He also used the Scriptures to rebuke the devil.

  16. Michael,

    You said: “…Of course you all have not answered my very first Question as usual! Again I say …….where in the Bible does it say the ‘Bible’ is the Sole Authority???…”

    It is implied by a great many passages of Scripture. If you really understood the roots of our faith—how deeply they penetrate into Israel of God, you would not ask such a question. The Tanakh definitively shows how absolutely vital “the Law and the Prophets” were to the life of the believer. Israel vacillated in its adherence to and reverence for Torah. When it was at low ebb—Israeli society (a theocracy, remember) was far from God. As an example, see 2 Kings 22 (and 23) for the history of King Josiah. When King Josiah was brought the dusty books of the Law (discovered by the High Priest Hilkiah during the renovation of the Temple) Josiah wept and tore his clothes in despair. It was quite clear, from the reading of the Law, that Israel had fallen far into disobedience of God’s commands. But yet—they had a High Priest and a priestly class still intact. What does this suggest to you about the importance of God’s word over the judgment of mere men?

    In addition, Jesus stressed over and over the importance of “abiding in the word” and He also said that “…the word cannot be broken”. (John 10:35) On the night that He died, He prayed for His followers, that the Father would, “…sanctify them in the truth—your word is truth.” (John 17:17) The Apostle Paul speaks of women being “washed in the water of the word” by her husband (Ephesians 5:26) just as Christ Jesus did for His Church.

    Let us have no more debate on this point. Pagan priests have always made up their religion as they went along—just as many priests and popes in the RCC have clearly done down through the centuries? The true Church of Christ would never be so foolish. You greatly insult God by questioning the authority of His word over the life of the believer.

    You said: “…Sola Scriptura protestants like it because it, by definition, negates the need for any church or any teaching authority…”

    This is a ridiculous assertion and displays your ignorance.

    “…It leads to the completely illogical (which most prominent modern protestant biblical scholars admit) position that the bible is “self interpreting…”

    Name these so-called “protestant biblical scholars” please. The fact remains that any serious student of the Bible knows that the Bible is the only book that does “…weave a seamless garment” and proves itself by the fulfilled prophecy that it contains. Fulfilled prophecy is a major source of authentication.

    You said: “There is no Sola Scriptura!”

    God’s word stands—Jesus said so. Matthew 5:17, in the words of our Lord says, “I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.”

    Let us have no more of your defense of the RCC. No one here is buying it.

    1. Good post Job. Its intriguing that the Torah scrolls were written by hand. Extreme care was taken to ensure every single letter was written correctly, no mistakes or errors permitted. In fact if a mistake was made, the entire scroll had to be discarded, even if they were on the last sentence….

      I venture to suggest that the King Josaih heard the shema prayer, that was what cut his heart and induced him to weep.
      Check out the texts of the Shema prayers, the ones that observant jews pray daily…..

      Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. And these words, which I command you this day, shall be in your heart: And you shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up. And you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the posts of your house, and on your gates.

      And it shall come to pass, if you shall listen diligently to my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, That I will give you the rain of your land in his due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in your corn, and your wine, and your oil. And I will send grass in your fields for your cattle, that you may eat and be full. Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and you turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; And then the LORD’s wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest you perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD gives you. Therefore shall you lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign on your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And you shall teach them your children, speaking of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up. And you shall write them on the door posts of your house, and on your gates: That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven on the earth.

      And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Speak to the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put on the fringe of the borders a ribbon of blue: And it shall be to you for a fringe, that you may look on it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that you seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which you use to go a whoring: That you may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy to your God. I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

      From the outset, God commanded His people to be focussed and centred on his WORD. It was and still is His word that is the connection between Him and His people, the written word and Yeshua?Jesus the living word. Didnt God say He would write His words on the hearts of his people, move them to follow His commands.

      “if you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you will, and it will be done for you”

      Michael old chap you do waffle a lot! I dont particularly hold to a sola scripture view, (was it you that said I did????) Mystified (again) although you seem to assume that every non catholic DOES. I suppose its a convenient way to fend off awkward questions about the way popes have used unbiblical doctrines, torments, persecution, anti-semitism murder, etc etc. Like a querrelous child, oh theres no need to take notice of what they say, because they accept sola scripture. I dont even know why we use that word, latin is a dead language….

      Just as an aside, the papacy executed the men who translated the Bible into English. What possible justification could there be to act like that?

      I actually have no objection to reading commentary from Christians that lived in past eras. Their testimonies and writings can be extremely helpful. It is often informative and encouraging to see how previous brethren lived, its fine-as long as what they are saying agrees with what is in the Bible of course.

      “But continue you in the things which you have learned and have been assured of, knowing of whom you have learned them; And that from a child you have known the holy scriptures, which are able to make you wise to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to all good works.”

      The danger, as can be seen actually in modern charsimatic extremes, is when human authority stamps itself as of having equal, or superior influence than the word of God itself.

    2. What you just said is still all irrelevant since, even if we agree that Scripture’s infallible, the interpreter must be infallible to know what Scripture means to say. IOW, how do we know which of the various interpretations of infallible Scripture is infallible? SS remains a bankrupt, unworkable doctrine-wishful thinking. You know this to be a problem!

      1. The Bible does not list which books should be IN the bible

      2. The Bible did not even exist during the time of the apostles (except, perhaps, while John was alive – and even he probably did not have access to the other writings, considering he was exiled to a cave on the Isle of Patmos, which he says himself in writing Revelation).

      Sola scriptura causes a “circular headaches” because once one argues “scripture is infallible”, you need the person interpreting scripture to also be infallible; but if the interpreter is not infallible, how does one know that the scripture the interpreter is referring to is an infallible interpretation? And on, and on, and on . . .

      I don’t why you want to talk about the TaNaK which is not only scriptures, but also contains Jewish traditions which some are still practiced today!!!

      My freind these Three passages seem to address specifically, the issue of WHO authorized the Bible:

      1. Mt. 16: 15 to 19 and verse 19 in particular

      “He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

      Verses 18 and 19 are to be taken togeather.

      2. Mt. 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

      3. John 20: 19-22 “[19] On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.” When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord.
      Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit”

      Of the greatest significance are the words of Christ to Peter and the Apostles: “As the FATHER SENT ME [with all my Divine Powers and Authority] SO I SEND YOU.” That my friend is the Official Founding of the CC in and with the Power and Guidence of God Himself.”

      Plus the Fact remains that the Bible does not come into full Canonization until the 4th century…..THAT is FACT and CHURCH put the Bible together!!!

      I can cite several synods and popes and councils where it is obvious various churches called “Catholic” accepted the current 27 NT books as canon, but it was not until Trent that it was formally declared (because of the threat of heresy by Luther and others during the Protestant Revolt) that only a certain list of 27 books should be considered part of the NT canon.

      Even Luther began to question some of the 27 that all Christians today accept as inspired by God. To appease some of his followers, Luther backed down somewhat, but still relegated some NT books – such as James and Hebrews – as “back benchers” that we should read, but were in no way shape or form the equivalent of “God breathed” as the four gospels or the Acts of the Apostles.

      1. Michael,
        Are you born again (like Peter was)?
        Are you filled with the Holy Spirit?
        Have you experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit (like Peter and the other early church apostles did)?
        Have you ever seen the fire of God?
        Have you ever been under conviction of sin?

        “I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.”

        Why not mention the torah? Its an important part of Gods word. You are right in one sense of course, there are many Jewish traditions, some that originated with God, but many, as with the catholic religion, that do not.

        “No one shall be declared righteous in Gods sight by observing the law”-wether God given Jewish laws-or pope-made catholic ones-they still amount to mere rules taught by men, and cause people to strive in “forms of godliness that deny the poweer thereof”

        It seems to me that obsession with sola scriptura is of more importance to catholics than any one else. It seems it offer people like yourself the license to interfere, edit, selectively apply biblical principles, or simply, conveniently ignore them if it suits the purposes of your stupidly obstinate religious system.

      2. Michael,

        Only God is infallible.

        For 40 years, I allowed your church to tell me what the Bible meant. Never again! I have found the great pearl in God’s Word. We can read any book on this planet, yet you tell me I cannot read & treasure God’s Word with someone else interpreting it for me!!! Ha!!!

        I do not care who assembled the Bible hundreds of years ago. I am not following them. The Council of Trent was dictating the world of Catholics. Bible-believing Christians were not following your decrees. In fact, they were being killed by the catholic church. Believe your interpretation of scripture or die. That same condemning spirit is still alive & well in your church.

        Only God is infallible. Therefore, God’s Word is enough for me b/c it burns in my soul and transforms me from the inside like a fire. That is called the Holy Spirit – a reality to me now and not when I was a devout catholic. For this, I will die. For Jesus-not for a church.

        Kay

      3. Dear Kay.

        Shalom.

        I was blessed by your latest comment. I am also ready to die for Him. May many come to faith, seeing some antichrists killing my body. They can not kill my soul, who belongs to Lord Jesus, my Master and best friend.

      4. Michael,

        Your comment: What you just said is still all irrelevant since, even if we agree that Scripture’s infallible, the interpreter must be infallible to know what Scripture means to say. IOW, how do we know which of the various interpretations of infallible Scripture is infallible? SS remains a bankrupt, unworkable doctrine-wishful thinking. You know this to be a problem!

        My Comment: You are so determined to have someone here, say you are right, that you have managed to not see the error of your words.Yes, God’s word is infallible, but Jesus told us that men like you would come and will not put up with sound doctrine.The men who wrote the Word of God did so under the direction of the Holy Spirit.

        2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

        This is one of the many verses which proves the Word of God is infallible.

        2 Tim. 3:16-17 “All Scripture is inspired by God and useful for teaching, for reproving, for correcting, for instruction in justice, that the man of God may be perfect, equipped for every good work.”

  17. Michael: “…even if we agree that Scripture’s infallible, the interpreter must be infallible to know what Scripture means to say.”

    Have you not read —- “I will make KNOWN my words unto you”

    Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you” (Proverbs 1:23).

    This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. (1 Corinthians 2:13)

  18. Michael,

    You said: “What you just said is still all irrelevant since, even if we agree that Scripture’s infallible, the interpreter must be
    infallible to know what Scripture means to say. IOW, how do we know which of the various interpretations of infallible Scripture is infallible?”

    This is typical RCC obfuscation. Do you read the Bible, Michael? There can be no justification for insisting that only a priest (or indeed, pope) can tell us what it means. I have a young friend who has a mild intellectual impairment but he gives some interesting insights into Scripture.

    You said: “SS remains a bankrupt, unworkable doctrine-wishful thinking. You know this to be a problem!” Why do you insist on attacking Sola Scriptura when most of us here are not in some rigid adherence to that view? Beside that, I believe it was pointed out to you that Sola Scriptura was only ONE of the Five Solas which were watchwords of the Reformation—more political than a statement on ecclesiology.

    I will write more later.

    1. Political???? You better have good source of how that comes to play! You have to remember and know the time period during Luther. religion and politics are in one essence. That all changes with the American Revolution of 1776 and the French Revolution of 1798.

      1. Michael,

        You said: “Political???? You better have good source of how that comes to play! You have to remember and know
        the time period during Luther. religion and politics are in one essence.”

        My response: And who do we have to “thank” for that but the Roman Catholic hierarchy?!! The RCC was political from the moment that it identified itself as “Roman” in its marriage to temporal power. Jesus specifically eschewed political power (“My Kingdom is not of this world…”). The RCC leads many, many people to hell in its obsessive drive for power.

        You said: “That all changes with the American Revolution of 1776 and the French Revolution of 1798.”

        Yes, the Americans were wary of state churches, having seen what the RCC, and its “daughter” church, the Church of England had done to Europe and Britain. And those who spearheaded the French Revolution positively despised the RCC for the political power it wielded.

  19. to Gloria….you must be using James White’s understanding of this text…..

    2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete (artios), equipped (exartizo) for every good work.

    This has the Greek terms for understanding for saying it is a good tool, but still not the sole authority!!

    It is indeed true that without scripture, we can’t be completely equipped to do the will of God. But this verse doesn’t say that scripture is the “only” thing we need. Furthermore, the scripture referred to in this verse is, by definition, the Hebrew scriptures (the NT not being written yet and the preceding verses referring to the writings he studied in his youth (e.g., the Hebrew scriptures)). By the logic of your friends, this verse would mean the Hebrew scriptures alone are sufficient (and they certainly don’t mean that).

    In addition, not only is there not a single verse in the Bible which says “scripture alone” is sufficient, there are in fact many that suggest we are to rely on teachings “oral and written”.

    You must remember this passage from Paul….

    2 Thes 2:15 (So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.)

    1. Dear Michael.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      2 Thes 2:15 (So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

      My reply:

      You are yet one more example, that it is rather useless to debate faith with committed Roman Catholics. My best guess is that the Holy Spirit do not want to have anything to do with you, because of your multiple rejections of the truth, and refusal to surrender to the Messiah of the Bible. I am getting rather tired of repeating the same message to Roman Catholics, who rather obey the Pope than the scriptures.

      But I will make one more attempt, before I will request you to leave this blog, so you can return back to your Roman Catholic priests and bishops.

      Paul the Apostles had the Hebrew Bible in his hand. There was no New Testament, who could give the Jews a deeper insight in what Jesus had explained to them, when the Messiah walked the Earth. Paul do not change a single line of the Hebrew Scripture, not a single letter of the Law. To the rather opposite, the Holy Spirit inspire Him to write down apostolic letters of instructions to the Church.

      These letters were included in the Biblical Cannon, around 400 A.D. Every single word of the letters of Paul, Peter, John and Jude confirm the authority of the Hebrew Bible, as the highest authority in matters of faith.

      Paul even writes: – This is a command I lay down in the Church, I, not the Lord. This were practical issues, most of them matters of making local arrangments in Churches where there were disorder and confusion. His submission to the Torah and the Tannakh (Prophetic Word) is absolute and total.

      The Roman Catholic Church re-opened the Biblical Cannon in 1540 A.D. The present Pope set Him self above God the Holy Spirit, who had closed the cannon 1.000 years earlier. The Pope acted like “god”, and changed the very scriptures that had stood like a rock for 3.000 years. He took in pagan books that promotes witchcraft, like the book of Tobit. This book had never, for 3.000 years, been a book in the Hebrew Bible.

      The Pope needed the witchcraft book of Tobit in the Catholic Bible, verses that confirmed the Popes paganism, like man being able to save him self by his good works, not by faith alone.

      Now, pack up and leave this site. Because you support those who have sinned against the Holy Spirit, you will probably never be lead into repentance. You have been deceived from childhood by the priesthood of Satan, and have continued to call curses down on your own head by your endless blasphemy against the Word of God.

      Please take this message to your heart. Because there will be no further warnings.

      1. You Quote!! His submission to the Torah and the Tannakh (Prophetic Word) is absolute and total.

        T = Torah (Law or Instructions)……Canonization 400BC (Around no exact date…impossible)
        N= Neviium (Prophets)………….200BC
        K = Kethuviim (Other Writings) 90AD…..Long after the Temple destroyed 70AD…..and Paul died in 65AD….their was no full Tanak!!! You are misstaken!!!

        TNK= TaNaK!!!!
        you said also “The Roman Catholic Church re-opened the Biblical Cannon in 1540 A.D.” Not re-opened but reaffirmed the Canon Works because it was never questioned until Luther…..so 1500s yrs was it accepted until Luther’s actions of heresy!!! That is FACT and TRUTH……you are not the EXPERT!!!!

        You love twisting History and Theology!!! Plus I am not Roman Catholic…….I am High Anglican….Church of England. I hold both Scriptural and Theological degrees from Cambridge University. So, I know you are no expert in this field!!! Well , you are in my prayers! Good Bye!

      2. Dear Michael.

        Shalom.

        Roman Catholic or High Anglican, it makes no difference. The present Archbishop of the Church of England has bowed before the papacy, and kissed the gold idol on the finger of the Pope.

        The book of Tobit includes pure witchcraft. You can blame whoever you want for including this book into any kind of corrupt versions of the Bible.

        I feel no need to defend the Lutheran Church, whom I am not a member of. But I understand the dilemmas faced by former Roman Catholic monk Martin Luther. He was not sure if it was possible to reform the high Church of the Vatican. Or if the Germans needed to scrap the whole religious institution, corrupted beyond repairable. I wish Luther had done the latter.

        May Jesus find a way beyond your theological degrees from Cambridge. Every soul is more worth than any diploma, and I pray that you will leave the falsehood you are presenting as the truth. Amen.

  20. Ivar: “My best guess is that the Holy Spirit do not want to have anything to do with you, because of your multiple rejections of the truth, and refusal to surrender to the Messiah of the Bible. ”

    Dear Ivar, I disagree with this statement. I think God wants everything to do with Michael and wants so badly for Michael to know the awesome love he has for him. God’s desire is to break these chains of religion Michael is shackled to.

    Michael, my prayer for you is that you will submit yourself to God by trusting completely in him to teach you. Let him show you. Let him teach you. He loves you so much.

    Jayna

    1. Dear Jayna

      Shalom.

      Jesus said very sternly that He HATES the practices of the Nicolaitans. The Messiah also said that those who blaspheme against the Holy spirit have committed a sin that will never be forgiven.

      Revelation 2:6
      But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

      If you feel that there is a possible disagreement between Jesus and the Holy Spirit on these issues, you need to explain this to me.

      1. Hello Ivar,

        You said, “Jesus said very sternly that He HATES the practices of the Nicolaitans. The Messiah also said that those who blaspheme against the Holy spirit have committed a sin that will never be forgiven.

        Revelation 2:6
        But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

        If you feel that there is a possible disagreement between Jesus and the Holy Spirit on these issues, you need to explain this to me.”

        Yes, Jesus hates the PRACTICES of the Nicolaitans. Jesus also loved them enough to die for them. Even those who crucified our Savior, he prayed “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.”

        As far as blaspheming the Holy Spirit, when I study the context of Jesus’ words, wasn’t he speaking to those who witnessed his miracles and yet attributed his power to the devil? I don’t see Michael doing that, do you?

        Michael is trapped in bondage to religion. God loves him and cherishes him dearly and desires for Michael to know him as we do. I just don’t think it is Biblical to say the Holy Spirit wants nothing to do with him. The Holy Spirit desires to reveal Christ to him.

        Peace,

        Jayna

  21. Michael,

    You said: “The Bible did not even exist during the time of the apostles (except, perhaps, while John was alive – and even
    he probably did not have access to the other writings, considering he was exiled to a cave on the Isle of Patmos, which he says himself in writing Revelation).”

    My response: “As Ivar has pointed out to you, the Hebrew Scriptures were the ones that the Apostles referenced over and over. The Book of Acts refers to the nascent New Testament as the “teachings of the Apostles”. The Jewish nation was set aside by God because of their refusal to accept their Messiah Yeshua which was clearly the fulfillment of the what the Tanakh teaches. Have you ever read the book of Hebrews, Michael. I strongly suggest that you do, paying special attention to chapter 11.

  22. Michael,

    You said: “I don’t why you want to talk about the TaNaK which is not only scriptures, but also contains Jewish traditions
    which some are still practiced today!!”

    My response: No. You are speaking of the extra-Biblical writings of the rabbis such as the Talmud. No Orthodox Jew would ever accept that the Talmud is at the level of the inspired “Law and Prophets”. Our Old Testament is basically word for word from the Tanakh.

  23. Michael,

    You said: “Even Luther began to question some of the 27 that all Christians today accept as inspired by God. To appease some of his followers, Luther backed down somewhat, but still relegated some NT books – such as James and Hebrews – as ‘back- benchers’ that we should read, but were in no way shape or form the equivalent of ‘God breathed’ as the four gospels or the Acts of the Apostles.”

    My response: Your point just shows that you could take the former RCC priest, Luther out of the RCC but that he still retained some of the RCC in him. Infant baptism was another Lutheran blooper. Luther apparently found the Book of James antagonistic to his position of Sola Fide. When understood in the wide context of the whole counsel of God, the Book of James serves as a “testing point” for believers to make sure that they are truly in the faith. Are you sure that you are in “the faith that was once given to the saints”, Michael?

  24. Michael, you must be desperate if you have to try to pull the “superior intellect and education” rank. Do you think Jesus will be needing your (confused) head knowledge? Next you’ll be saying I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get to the poor….. Some of the worlds biggest idiots have the most grandiose educational accomplishments. And yet God in His mercy and superior wisdom chooses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise….your theology degrees wont save you or impress God, He doesnt want or need theologians!

    How far Cambridge University has sunk! The very place where Hugh Latimer (by his own admission “as obstinate a papist as any was in England.”) was wonderfully converted and was delivered out of popery. And where Thomas Cranmer and John Rogers were educated. All of them exceptionally great men of (eventual) humilty Bible study, prayer, and biblical holiness, who were burned alive by order of the pope and his rapaciously cruel and bloodthirsty little helper, mary.

    As for high anglican, its the same as romanism, they just havet yet made the formal arrangement (not publically any way) Why else would you get banal plastic mary statues, inane shrines to this or that saint, or signs advertising mass at anglican churches? They were doing that (defiantly) at St James the great in Darlington over 20 years ago. I went past there every day. They are official papists now.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9178325/More-Anglicans-leave-Church-of-England-for-Rome.html

    People like yourself, blessed with the advantages and privelige of higher education in a so called prestigious seat of learning, and who really should know better, are mere pawns, useful idiots in the hands of an anti christ spirit, whose eventual destiny is to try to kill off the body of Christ.

    “They shall put you out of the synagogues: yes, the time comes, that whoever kills you will think that he does God service. And these things will they do to you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.”

    PS Ivar if the telegraph link doesnt work or you dont want it included, please delete

    Shalom, Jonathan

  25. Michael,

    You said: “T = Torah (Law or Instructions)……Canonization 400BC (Around no exact date…impossible)
    N= Neviium (Prophets)………….200BC
    K = Kethuviim (Other Writings) 90AD…..Long after the Temple destroyed 70AD…..and Paul died in 65AD….their was no full Tanak!!! You are misstaken!!!”

    Not true, Michael. The scrolls had obviously not been compiled into any kind of a Codex yet, but all elements of the Tanakh were well known in Jesus’ day. All were included in the Septuagint from circa 300 B.C. You need to brush up a bit on the Hebrew Scriptures.

  26. Worried about catholics who won’t make it out of this deception it’s harder to learn the truth than to un learn an age long lies. They need our prayers.

  27. Reblogged this on Spiritual Abuse Sanctuary and commented:
    “Thou shalt have NO other gods before me. Thou shalt NOT make unto thee any GRAVEN IMAGE, or any likeness of ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt NOT bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:3) Yet the Roman papacy continues to encourage it’s brainwashed masses to commit idolatry and violate the Holy Commandment of the LORD GOD.

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