The Old and the New Covenant

Jeremiah 16:5
For this is what the LORD says: “Do not enter a house where there is a funeral meal; do not go to mourn or show sympathy, because I have withdrawn my blessing, my love and my pity from this people,” declares the LORD.

Luke 9:60
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”

14 thoughts on “The Old and the New Covenant

  1. Two unrelated passages. In Jeremiah 16 he’s talking about the wickedness of Judah. Again Jeremiah 17:1 Says: The sin of Judah is written with a pen of Iron, and with the point of a diamond, and graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of their altars.
    Luke 9:60 He answers a man who said he would hold off until his father died to leave and preach the kingdom of God.

      1. Dear Ed.

        Shalom.

        In Jeremia’s message chapter 15, we can read: ….. “If you repent, I will restore you
        that you may serve me.

        This is the same message Jesus gave….Repent. Jesus is serious about dead people, burying their own dead.

        I do not like funerals. Just cant stand all the hypocrites, praising men who refused to repent and serve Him. I do acknowledge that a man can repent in the last seconds of his life. I am not anyone’s final judge.

      2. Thanks Ivar,

        Good site to comment on, you never shrink from controversy.

        Maybe those two passages do have a hidden inuendo, the man in luke is holding off preaching the gospel because it seems right to him to stay with his Father. Could be referring to the Jews who haven’t turned to the Son fully but abide with the Father.

      3. Ivar you said: I do acknowledge that a man can repent in the last seconds of his life.

        My Comment: That is what happen to my grandfather in 1994. He had a heart attack, and thank you Jesus that the two ambulance techs that came were Christian. He accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior, before he collapsed into a coma and died. I miss him terribly, still do. But I thank Jesus more than anything that, my grandfather accepted Christ and is now with Our Savior.

        God Bless

    1. Excellent point, Ed.

      Ivar, in Luke 9:60, the man was giving up obeying and following our Lord and Savior’s command to “follow me.” The man was disobeying the One who gives life. Here our Lord was on earth and in front of this man, yet the man could not see and understand, like a dead person.

      1. Yeah the Son of God looked like one of us so easier to blow him off for a while.. Something occured to me a few days ago and just makes total sense. That Kain is the first son of God. Gen 4:1 Eve says at Kains birth “I have obteined a man by the Lord”. Even though Adam knew Eve before the twins Kain and Abel were born God was the father. Gen 5, The first generation of Adam was Seth. Then in Gen 6 it says “The sons of God took wives of the daughters of men, as many as they liked, these became giants in the land, mighty men, men of renown. Look at the boasting of Kains last descendent Lamech in Gen. 5…seems like he was very mighty.
        He wasn’t pleased with Kain though, the parallel is shown with Esau and Jacob. He didn’t like the first born son Esau. Jesus was the Son of God of whom he said, “This is the son of whom I am well pleased”, “This is my only “begotten” son” i.e. The one who was after his own heart.

      2. Ed,
        I think you are getting into a false belief that Adam and Eve are not the parents of Cain.

        Genesis 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.”

        Did you see that? In Genesis 4:1 it is clear Adam impregnated Eve – “Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant.”

        Even is acknowledging that no life is possible without God.

      3. Mine reads Gen 4:1 Afterward the man knew Henah(Eve) his wife, which conceived and bare Kain, and said, I have obteined a man by the lord. (1607 Geneva bible)

        There’s room to say God was the father. It’s worded slightly ambiguous that it could mean that. It says The man knew his wife, His wife who conceived and bare Kain. It never says Adam is the father, only leaves it very easy to surmise.

        If you look at the differences between Kains descendents and Seths, they are very different. Plus it sort of fits with the repeating story line such as Esau and Jacob except Esau didnt kill Jacob, instead Jesus was from the line of Jacob.

      4. Dear Ed.

        Shalom.

        You have to be careful what Bible version you quote from.

        NIV is not perfect, but makes a strong case for a normal husband and wife relationship.

        Genesis 4:1
        [ Cain and Abel ] Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.”

        If Cain did not have Adam, but God as his father, He is like a sinless Messiah…And some Bible version even states that Mary the mother of Jesus, says she had not “known any man”. Surely she knew men, but had not have sex with them.

        As I have said before, Ed. You are a man of great philosophy. You need to change, Ed. And get your self a sound Bible teacher. Which fellowship to you attend regularly?

      5. Not necessarily. Eve was Kains mother and the transgression was with her not Adam. 1 timothy 2:14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.

        Gen 6:2 The “sons of God” saw the daughters of men, that they were fair, and they took them wives of all that they liked.
        They became giants in the land, men of renown… Shortly after God says he is sorry he created the world and destroys all life with a flood, except Noah. Kain may have survived because he moved to the Land of Nod, East of Eden, “in the earth”

        Nobody teaches that Kain is a son of God but Gen 5 starts with the day God created Adam and goes straight to Seth as the first of his generations.

        Why would God say “this is the son in whom I am well pleased” if it went without saying? Saying it implies sons in whom he was not well pleased..

      6. Dear Ed.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Cain may have survived because he moved to the Land of Nod, East of Eden, “in the earth”

        My reply:

        No, no, no, dear Ed. There is no “may”. Than the Bible is a false revelation, and we need to learn the “gospel according to Ed”.

      7. Well without knowing where the Land of Nod is which is East of Eden and described as in the earth. It’s hard to be certain where Kain went. But irrelevant I guess. The point was that there we’re other sons of God, which is clearly stated in Gen 6. So Jesus being the son of God should not be that hard to believe. Particularly if it was Kain because nobody really suspects he was anything other than a man either.

  2. Ed, I have to queue in on the woman bringing sin. Hate to break it to you but Adam failed in his responsibility first.

    Gen 3 “When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.”

    Adam was there and did nothing to prevent the action and then participated in it himself. For all practical purposes he thought to himself, ” well, let’s see if she really dies.” She didn’t die, so he ate and they both participated in unbelief. Adam’s sin was greater.

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