Pope Benedict XVI granted a plenary indulgence to those who make a pilgrimage to see and pray before the relic of “St. John Bosco”.
The dead body of Catholic priest John Bosco will this October be on wheels in the US.
And the Pope has granted all Catholics a quick release from Purgatory, for all who pray in front of the mummified body of Bosco.
This “plenary indulgence”, the Pope explains, can only be obtained for faithful Catholics who regularly partake in confession, the Eucharist and prayers for the Holy Father’s intentions.
Lets read the official definition of “plenary indulgence” from the site Catholic.org.
Indulgences are two kinds: partial and plenary. A partial indulgences removes part of the temporal punishment due for sins. A plenary indulgence removes all of it. This punishment may come either in this life, in the form of various sufferings, or in the next life, in purgatory. What we don’t get rid of here we suffer there.
Source for this Papal statement that gives you direct access to Heaven: CNA.
For Papist in the US, the chance to quickly escape Purgatory will occur already this October. The dead body of a claimed to be Catholic saint will be on display in Churches all over America.
Bosco ‘s cross US journey started on September 11th, the memorial day for the Islamic terrorist attack on the US, and will not end before October 9th.
Lets see what the Newspaper Palm Beach Post has reported on this ongoing event.
The case has been touched and wept over and prayed to by thousands of the faithful since it started its trek around the world in 2009. At its last stop in St. Petersburg, an estimated 20,000 viewed it in two days.
“There were people waiting until 4 in the morning,” said the Rev. Bruce Craig, a Salesian priest from Tampa, Florida..
He will fly to Washington, D.C, and be replaced by another Salesian priest in the saint’s honor guard. Two trucks with two-man crews have driven the reliquary on all its land-based stops. A videographer accompanying the group is documenting the tour.
What the crowds in Belle Glade will see is a life-size fiberglass image of the saint. His serene facial expression is authentic, made from his death mask. He wears ornate priestly vestments embellished in gold and lace. Inside the fiberglass effigy and not visible is a sealed metal box containing bones and tissue from his right arm.
John Bosco died in 1888, when there was no Vatican statehood. Pope Pius XI canonized him in 1934. His grave was opened, and his body removed and “beautified”.
My comment:
Who said the younger Catholic Churches in America, does not copy the original Roman Catholic Church in Europe in regards to worship of skulls and bones?
The only difference seems to be limited to age, and the amount of toxic chemicals available today to keep old corpses look fresh. Just like in the Kremlin.
It is amazing enough that Roman Catholic can drag a dead body across the seven seas. That is really wicked.
But the worst part of this, is that the Pope feels he can open the gates of Heaven for all who pray in front of a deceased and mummified Catholic priest and teacher.
The Catholics are also giving this dead body a welcome worthy of a president or a King. Look at the video-link below, and see Catholic nuns behave like excited children on the 4th of July. Even the local US Police gives the van transporting the “saint” escort from the airport. And pay attention to the “poor” nun coming out of the escorting limousine.
Was this limo carrying the Grand Master of the Knights of Columbus?
There is a suitable verse in the Bible for Catholics who adore and venerate dead bodies.
Luke 9:60
Jesus said to him, “Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God.”
Please understand, that the Pope is the High priest of a dead Messiah, a copy cat, that will take all who call him “Holy Father” down to the eternal fire of Hell.
If you think I am not telling the truth, but ridicule and defame the Roman Catholics, please look at this video and shudder.
First published: October 1st 2010.
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For some reason Ivar, I find this more disturbing than the images of bones. The Catholics are much more disturbed then I thought. Do the really think that by praying to a dead man, that they will not answer to God for the things they’ve done?
Your Comment: Please understand, that the Pope is the High priest of a dead Messiah, a copy cat, that will take all who call him “Holy Father” down to the eternal fire of Hell.
I totally agree, 100%.
Dear Gloria
Shalom.
Thanks for blessings all the readers of this blog. I cant wait till Sue gets up. She is a former hard core defender of the doctrine of Purgatory. She will faint when she reads this article.
I am glad I left this kind of foolish belief. If people will venerate this dead body, I am afraid
our country will be doomed to so much calamity.
worship only one Living God the Father in Heaven.
I will pray for this innocent people to wake up.
Dear Loreta.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Half of my family are Roman Catholics, and I feel so sad for them. Because they go to worship in a house of demons.
I love the Catholics. That Is why I keep on telling them the truth about the roots of Catholicism. Their faith is from the occult realms, with priests who twist the Word of God and indulge in endless blasphemy against God most High.
Hi Ivar,
Yes, Gloria. They believe if they do every thing the Pope says they get a “get out of purgatory free card” I was Catholic and I believed it.
Ivar, you get 10 stars for this one my friend.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
Thanks for 10 stars. I know you agree with me. – Jesus. Let this article at least set 10 Catholics free, so they can find peace in You. Amen.
1. I am a Catholic
2. It is not worship we only worship God
We venerate saints because of their life works.
3. Bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit see Paul
4. Indulgences – based on the words of Jesus What you declare bound on earth is bound in heaven and vice versa
5. My friends that are not Catholic have no problem with indulgences since they do not believe in Purgatory anyway.
Thanks
If it looks like worship and sounds like worship, it is worship.
If you treat a dead human being as though they have the power of a God in any area, you are engaging in idol worship.
And you need to repent.
Wow.
Escape “purgatory” (which doesn’t exist anyway) by praying over a corpse. What a twisted religion. Sounds like some kind of macabre pagan ritual. Wait, it is just that.
Instead of “St. Bosco” catholic idolatry, I prefer a nice glass of Bosco chocolate goodness: http://www.boscoworld.com/
In my youth I saw & venerated Don Bosco in Italy. As a youth I willingly accepted all that I was doctrinated with. As an adult who recently accepted Jesus Christ as my savior & refuse to worship false gods, I can now see this for it’s sickness. Catholics follow bishops/popes & swallow the doctrines/dogmas that they teach. They are very much part of a cult, and are not allowed to disagree with authority. If Jesus is your Lord & Savior then this veneration no longer is desired or needed. He alone is all you thirst for…not the hoopla of catholic devotion.
Here is a verse which refers to a “prison” where Christ descended to preach to the souls from the times of Noe:
2 Peter 3:19 In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison: 20 Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.
This shows that there is a place that is temporary for holding souls, and that it is not heaven, but is purgatory! What is interesting is that He “preached” to them.
Dear Tyler.
Shalom.
You wrote:
This shows that there is a place that is temporary for holding souls, and that it is not heaven, but is purgatory! What is interesting is that He “preached” to them.
My comment:
Satan is not in Hell. That is not His domain. He rules from the Abyss, or the bottomless pit. There is smoke coming up or our of this place, because it is hot. Under his kingdom of darkness, there is a sea of fire. That is Hell. Satan knows that when the age of grace is over, and the age of judgment comes, He is doomed. He will be evicted from his present Kingdom, and will have to spend eternity in the everlasting fire. So will all who have made him king or “god”.
Purgatory is a man made pace, a house of mythology. Its a pagan concept, a second chance. Godless and religious people hope and pray, that hey can be cleansed from their sins in their afterlife. The blood of Jesus is pointless and completely rejected by people who believe in this kind of paganism. The Pope has tried his best to ring this into Christianity, but all born again Christians reject this for what it is” Falsehood.
This is nauseating what in the world are people thinking. We do not live in the 17-18 century, good grief leave the dead alone and in their graves rather than parading them around the country side.. Thank GOD for JESUS CHRIST.
Dear Rose.
Shalom.
There are words that are not in the Bible. Like Catholics, and purgatory. When people claims they are Catholics, they reject the Messiah. “Cath” can not save them. Christ is able. So why not claim to a Christ-ian?
The Roman Catholic priests will now enter into this blog, and claim that there are other words that are not found in the Bible. Like ‘Trinity” and even the word Bible. I can make this list longer. The word “deep freezer” is also not there, nether is “subway”.
So are words “trinity, incarnation, Faith alone, or scripture alone!” These are not in the Bible. The word catholic was used, meaning universal Christian church, the word Catholic was not used until the western church split from the eastern church (now known as the Orthodox Church) in the 12th century. Protestant wasn’t used until the 16 / 17th century.
Even though certain words are in scripture does not make untrust worthy!!!!
Although the bible is not the sole authority for the belief in purgatory (the bible’s authority rests on the authority of the Catholic Church, which declared which books made up the bible just before 400 AD) here are some biblical passages that support purgatory:
prayers for the dead are seen as good – 2Tm 1:16-18, 2 Mc 12:44-46, 2 Sam 1:12
a place after death other than heaven or hell is refered to, sometimes as a place of purification – 1 Pt 3:18-20, 4:6, 1 Cor 3:15, Mt 12:32 + 36, 5:26, 2 Cor 12:2-4
nothing unclean – no impurity(we are all sinful) will enter heaven – Mt 5:48, Heb 12:14+23, Jam 3:2, Rev 21:27, 1Jn 5:16-17
Punishment remains after sin is forgiven (purification as opposed to condemnation) – 2 Sam 12:13-14, Num 14:18-23, Ps 99:8
I believe the concept of purgatory (a place or perhaps a time of purification) is scriptural. Admittedly, the “word” isn’t used (nor is “trinity”) and the concept appears in verses that could be interpreted differently. But that is true of many verses of scripture and thus why there are 30,000 plus protestant denominations (each interpretating the same verses “differently”).
Purgatory is the work of Christ. It is the application of His sacrifice applied to us. If, like Paul tells us in Corinthians, we will suffer loss when we are judged, yet still saved, then it is inconceivable for us to go to Heaven because nothing unclean can enter. There is no ‘loss’ in Heaven. It is inconceivable for the verse to apply to Hell because the verse tells us that we are still saved. You can call it anything you like, but it is quite obvious that some sort of purification takes place after death.
To draw an analogy: if we come to visit someone and we have mud on our shoes, we clean them or take them off before we enter. Same applies with Heaven.
I don’t think you can deny the scripture passages provided, particularly in light of the fact that Jesus, a Jew, would have believed in a place of purging. Nowhere does He deny its existence.
Matt 12:32 – this verse speaks of the fact that there is some sin that will be forgiven in the age to come.
1 Peter 4:6 – the gospel was preached to the dead. Now there is absolutely no use preaching to people in hell – there aint no getting out of there. So, if Jesus preached to the dead they must have been somewhere else because Heaven was not yet opened.
2 Tim 1:16-18 -Paul is asking God to grant mercy to someone who is dead
Copy of Comment also this site on proof of scripture about praying for the dead.
You guys are full of hate and not love as Christian should be doing!!!
Praying for the Dead Proved from Scripture
2 Timothy 1:16-18 (RSV)
May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiph’orus, for he often refreshed me; he was not ashamed of my chains, [17] but when he arrived in Rome he searched for me eagerly and found me — [18] may the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that Day — and you well know all the service he rendered at Ephesus.
2 Timothy 4:19
Greet Prisca and Aq’uila, and the household of Onesiph’orus.
Onesiphorus, of course, is generally accepted to have been dead when Paul wrote these passages.
I know well you guys won’t accept this Book because Martin Luther (Father Protestanism!!) took the seven books out of the Old Testament!
2 Maccabees 12:43-46
43 He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view;
44 for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.
(shortened. Editor).
Dear Kevin Writgt.
Shalom.
The Catholic Bible is a falsification of the true Jewish Bible. It contains books that promotes witchcraft.
https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/12/11/bible-lesson-7-catholic-bible-promotes-witchcraft-holy-bible-exludes-seven-catholic-books/
The books that were banned from the Biblical cannon in 400 A.D, were included by the Pope in 1540 A.D. The cannon closed by the Holy Spirit, was reopened by the man of Lawlessness in the Vatican. The heretic books were included to counter those who displayed the Pope as an antichrist, permitting praying for the dead and the dogmas of salvation by good works.
Again: Write short comments.
Please tell us why there are skulls on the altars of the Roman Catholic Church. Give us one Bible verse that permits people do do such a wicked act.
A relic is an object, such as a piece of clothing or, more commonly, a piece of bone from a saint’s body, which has spiritual value because it belonged to one of God’s saints. The Bible records many accounts of the value of relics and even episodes of miraculous events connected with them. “People brought to [Jesus] all who were sick and begged him that they might only touch the tassel on his cloak, and as many as touched it were healed” (Mt 14:35-36; cf. Mk 6:56; Lk 8:43-44). It was not uncommon for ordinary objects, like the tassel on the Lord’s cloak, to have miraculous characteristics. Look also at Acts 5:15, where even Peter’s shadow could cause miraculous healings.
Regarding the relics of saints, especially martyrs (about whom the Bible says, “Precious in the eyes of the Lord is the death of his holy ones” [Ps 116:15]), look at 2 Kings 13:21:
Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.
Dear Kevin Wright
Shalom.
I have been through this with Roman Catholic priests and laymen before. The twisting of the Word of God will probably never stop.
1. The Roman Catholic Church claim the Pope can never fail when he canonize saints. This is blasphemy by it self. Because only God can read the hearts. When the Pope canonize “his saints”, he dig skeletons out of the grave, and beautify corpses.
There are multiple examples, that Hundred of years after a soul has departed, the Pope examine witnesses, who claim that the departed soul have performed a miracle. The demons must be laughing. Just pray in the name of a departed created being, and a demon will come and entertain your prayers.
If a man can not be understood to be a saint when He is alive, and God prove His elect by miracles and signs, His life was basically filled with religious stuff, a walking dead among us.
2. People touched Jesus, and were healed. Jesus was alive. Not dead.
3. The bones of Elisha were not transported out of the grave. His bones were not taken home, washed, and kept on the altar for display, veneration, adoration and worship. The Jews keep their “saints” and forefathers in the tombs. The forefathers were transported to their tombs, and kept there up to this day. The Roman Catholic priests are noting but grave looters.
4. Through the ages, the Roman Catholic church has massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions. The Whore of Babylon is drunk on the blood of the saints. During the Middle Ages the Pope controlled kings and armies. He had the followers of Jesus beheaded, because they refused to accept not Biblical dogmas and falsehood. The true saints refused to accept the introduction of the “Queen of Heaven” into Christendom. They refused to bow before icons and statues of the pagan Queen,presented as “the mother of Jesus”.
Eternal condemnation in Hell is what the Vatican priesthood deserve. And that is what every man on the face of the Earth will get, if they do not repent.
You stated that “ The Catholic Bible is a falsification of the true Jewish Bible.”
No, it is not.
The Catholic Bible is based on the Septuagint (LXX). It is a version of the Bible that included a number of Deutercanonical books, was written for Greek-speaking/Hellenistic Jews within the 3rd-2nd century BC, & was adopted by the Early Christians.
Please go back & actually study the history.
Have you not read any of the following?
Lk 20:
34And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 35But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. 37Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.
Lk 9:
28And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. 29And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. 30And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. 32But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him. 33And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. 34While he thus spake, there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. 35And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. 36And when the voice was past, Jesus was found alone. And they kept it close, and told no man in those days any of those things which they had seen.
Was Jesus communicating with dead people when He was speaking to Moses & Elijah? Why or why not?
In Hebrews 12 we read the following:
1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses (In the Koine Greek, “cloud of witnesses” translates to “crowd of witnesses/martyrs” – so are we surrounded by martyrs? Dead people cheering us on?), let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
And this:
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
From Catholic Answers on Relics:
“ One of the most moving accounts of the veneration of relics is that of the very body of Christ itself. Rather than leaving his body on the cross, to be taken down and disposed of by the Romans (as was the customary practice), Joseph of Arimathea courageously interceded with Pilate for Christ’s body (Mark 15:43, John 19:38). He donated his own, newly hewn tomb as Christ’s resting place (Matt. 27:60). Nicodemus came and donated over a hundred pounds of spices to wrap inside Jesus’ grave clothes (John 19:39), that amount of spices being used only for the most honored dead. And after he was buried, the women went to reverently visit the tomb (Matt. 28:1) and to further anoint Christ’s body with spices even though it had already been sealed inside the tomb (Mark 16:1, Luke 24:1). These acts of reverence were more than just the usual courtesy shown to the remains of the dead; they were special respect shown to the body of a most holy man—in this case, the holiest man who has ever lived, for he was God Incarnate.
Relics in Early Christianity
The veneration of relics is seen explicitly as early as the account of Polycarp’s martyrdom written by the Smyrnaeans in A.D. 156. In it, the Christians describe the events following his burning at the stake: “We took up his bones, which are more valuable than precious stones and finer than refined gold, and laid them in a suitable place, where the Lord will permit us to gather ourselves together, as we are able, in gladness and joy and to celebrate the birthday of his martyrdom.”
In speaking of the veneration of relics in the early Church, the anti-Catholic historian Adolph Harnack writes, “[N]o Church doctor of repute restricted it. All of them rather, even the Cappadocians, countenanced it. The numerous miracles which were wrought by bones and relics seemed to confirm their worship. The Church therefore would not give up the practice, although a violent attack was made upon it by a few cultured heathens and besides by the Manichaeans” (Harnack, History of Dogma, tr., IV, 313).
In the fourth century the great biblical scholar, Jerome, declared, “We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are” (Ad Riparium, i, P.L., XXII, 907). `
Relics in Scripture
Keep in mind what the Church says about relics. It doesn’t say there is some magical power in them. There is nothing in the relic itself, whether a bone of the apostle Peter or water from Lourdes, that has any curative ability. The Church just says that relics may be the occasion of God’s miracles, and in this the Church follows Scripture.
The use of the bones of Elisha brought a dead man to life: “So Elisha died, and they buried him. Now bands of Moabites used to invade the land in the spring of the year. And as a man was being buried, lo, a marauding band was seen and the man was cast into the grave of Elisha; and as soon as the man touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood on his feet” (2 Kgs. 13:20-21). This is an unequivocal biblical example of a miracle being performed by God through contact with the relics of a saint!
Similar are the cases of the woman cured of a hemorrhage by touching the hem of Christ’s cloak (Matt. 9:20-22) and the sick who were healed when Peter’s shadow passed over them (Acts 5:14-16). “And God did extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that handkerchiefs or aprons were carried away from his body to the sick, and diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them” (Acts 19:11-12).
If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice. If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds.”
Just some thoughts… 🤔
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You wrote: If these aren’t examples of the use of relics, what are? In the case of Elisha, a Lazarus-like return from the dead was brought about through the prophet’s bones. In the New Testament cases, physical things (the cloak, the shadow, handkerchiefs and aprons) were used to effect cures. There is a perfect congruity between present-day Catholic practice and ancient practice. If you reject all Catholic relics today as frauds, you should also reject these biblical accounts as frauds.”
I’ve read your examples. Still baffles my mind how catholics twist the word to praise physical things that can do nothing for you. Statues, apron, the shadow? Baffled. The Word of God is clear.
Psalm 115:4-8 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear; noses, but do not smell. They have hands, but do not feel; feet, but do not walk; and they do not make a sound in their throat. Those who make them become like them; so do all who trust in them.
John 4:23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.
I reject all catholic relics as fraud. I only praise and give Glory to Jesus Christ Our Lord & Savior!
God Bless,
Gloria
Every believer in the bible are saints. Only in Catholicism does the church say there are “sinners and Saints” (capital S). The RCC also says you are Saint when you are DEAD. In the bible, all believers are living saints. The Catholic Church’s version of a saint, is a person who is super duper holy, grants prayer requests and miracles. The rest of the lay people are just that. Lay people who are told to aspire to be a Saint.
This is a fallacy.
True believers in Jesus, with all of their faults and imperfections are saints. There is no upper Case Saints. These Saints were created to appease the Greeks who prayed to various gods. The Vatican took that idolatry and are continued it by having a similar system. A saint for cancer, a saint for sports, a saint for losing your keys. This is nothing more than praying to the gods.
There is no mediator between God and man. ONLY Jesus. Please adhere to the Gospel and the Word of God. A sinner who trusts Jesus and His finished work on the cross for his or her sins is a saint.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
2 Kings 17:16
They forsook all the commands of the LORD their God and made for themselves two idols cast in the shape of calves, and an Asherah pole. They bowed down to all the starry hosts, and they worshiped Baal.
(end of scripture)
This satanic religious movement, resurfaced as claimed “Christianity” in Rome around 315 A.D. The day Emperor Constantine claimed He had become a “Christian”, and mixed Jupiter, Peter, Jesus, Venus, Mary, Saturn, Paul, Juno, Zeus, etc…..There was a “starry host or a “saint” for every topic and area, and a “Holy madonna” in every village under the sun.
Look at 2 Kings 13:21: Then Ivar explain to me this particular passage in the old Testament??? Hmmm?? You did not look at this part that I commented last???
Elisha died and was buried. At the time, bands of Moabites used to raid the land each year. Once some people were burying a man, when suddenly they spied such a raiding band. So they cast the dead man into the grave of Elisha and everyone went off. But when the man came in contact with the bones of Elisha, he came back to life and rose to his feet.
Also you quote: Through the ages, the Roman Catholic church has massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions. The Whore of Babylon is drunk on the blood of the saints. During the Middle Ages the Pope controlled kings and armies.
What is your source for this information??? If you are getting this information from a Protestant understanding with subjective truth, I will not accept such non-sense?? Truth is objective not subjective……..show me your source both historical and theological for such ideas?
And how is Rome the Whore of Babylon??? Where is that from……….Book of Revelation??? Like you understand better than Scripture Scholars??? The Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18 a city set on seven hills. You must have read Dave Hunt’s work, his 1994 book, A Woman Rides the Beast.
It might seem, therefore, that Rome is the identity of the city on seven hills. However, this ignores the fact that there are actually many other cities in this world that are also built on seven hills. Listed some here:
1. Jerusalem, comprising of Scopus, Nob, “Mount of Corruption” (or “Mount of Offense”), the original Mount Zion, Ophel Mount, Fort Antonia, the new Mount Zion.
2. Istanbul (known as Constantinople before Turkey renamed it).
3. Amman, capitol of Jordan. Today, however, Amman covers some 19 hills.
4. Mecca, comprising of Jabal abu Siba, Jabal Safa, Jabal Marwah, Jabal abu Milhah, Jabal abu Ma’aya, Jabal abu Hulayah and Jabal abu Ghuzlan
5. Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
6. Kampala in Uganda, comprising of Mengo, Lubaga, Namirembe, Old Kampala, Kibuli, Nakasero and Makerere.
7. Lisbon in Portugal.
8. Sheffield in England.
9. Edinburgh in England.
10. Nevada City in USA.
11. Cincinatti in USA, comprising Mt. Adams, Mt. Auburn, Walnut Hills, Fairview Heights, Clifton Heights, Vine Street Hill, Price Hill, Fairmount, Mt. Lookout, Mt. Hope, Mt. Echo, and Mt. Storm.
I like to hear your matter on the topic???
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/12/sm.06.html
Yes, every body knows that John Paul II apologized about events of the past. And They have been accepted. However, there is no clear saying about massacred Evangelical Baptist Christians in their millions??? Unless you are thinking about the inquisition which these news cast are not historians and will not work for explanation!
The documents of the Spanish Inquisition were made public only in August of 2003. The Vatican opened its records regarding the Inquisition. A few authors discussed their findings and the number is around 3000 who where actually executed. Plus they provided facts to Catholics’ long held suspicions that there were alot of bad spins out on the Church at that time.
The Catholic Church clergy spent more of their exonerating the accused. Also, the reaction was both spiritual and political, the Catholic Spaniards wanting a united country after 700 years by Moorish Muslim invasion, dhimmitude, and then non-Catholics receiving the Eucharist. I believe the actual numbers executed were 4 to 6,000….too much….but the temporal powers worked against the Church, and one Holy Father had the situation in Spain misrepresented to him by one cleric.
Again, it was issue with temporal powers having the upper hand that the Church had to define itself above temporal powers for God’s sake.
Receiving the Eucharist without faith is akin to someone violating the Mercy Seat in the ancient Temple. And we are to defend the Eucharist against blasphemy and sacrilege.
The Inquisition and the Crusades are not a question of moral teaching. These were actions that applied to specific situations and a specific time. Even though there was no better alternative than the Inquisition at the time, the Church never said the Inquisition would last forever. That’s why the Church ended it, not because it was immoral but because it was not necessary.
Quite frankly, there are historical evidences of prisoners who were executed under the auspices of Kingdoms, Principalities, militaries, etc. who would have preferred the Inquisition because it was more humane. Likewise, there were heretics who were killed by the Inquisition who said they were thankful it was at the hands of the Inquisition and not under governments at the time.
The legal system was very different back then, the society was very different. Who is to say that God did not want the Inquisition to happen, and that the Inquisitors were not led by the Holy Spirit?
In a society where people died left and right, the life expectancy was 30s-40s like Sub Saharan Africa today. People would have LOVED to live in Prison, get three meals a day, and not have to do back breaking labor for 12-16 hours a day. That would have been a reward, not a punishment.
So, the nutshell; look at the Church’s view of the death penalty. Moving from thee, I would conclude that the Church is apologizing for the Inquisition in practice and not in principle. IE: there were abuses. Just like the Church approves of indulgences, but in practice there were often abuses.
Dear Kevin Wright
Shalom.
You wrote:
The Inquisition and the Crusades are not a question of moral teaching. These were actions that applied to specific situations and a specific time. Even though there was no better alternative than the Inquisition at the time, the Church never said the Inquisition would last forever. That’s why the Church ended it, not because it was immoral but because it was not necessary.
My reply:
The Catholic Church had “no better” alternative than to burn people at stake. The Nazis had “no better alternative” than to put the Jews in gas chambers. To use bullets was considered to expensive. No doubt that Adolf Hitler was a good Roman Catholic, just like Nazis at large. They were baptized by Roman Catholic priests, and even took the “Holy eucharist”. The Pope did not consider it “necessary” to speak up against the Holocaust, because it was “immoral”. The Pope knew that the Holocaust “would not last forever”.
Kevin. Your time on this blog is up. Please take your evil and wickedness, and go somewhere else. There must be some good Catholic websites that will welcome you with open arms.
Kevin.
Even the pope apologized for the church’s crimes. The Inquisition is a known fact.
Just answered your question above!
Kevin. You’ve got to be kidding. Killing people is not a moral issue? The excuses you make for wickedness is mind boggling.
Kevin. I am disgusted with your response that does not even warrant a reply.
For goodness sake: After following this particular blog, I’ll say something about it!
A) The Crusades were a retaliation to centuries of muslim aggresion, they saved Western Europe from Islam spreading.
If this not right….then why????
B) The Inquisition did not kill heretics, contrary to popular belief. They were one of the most lenient courts of the time. They were lenient to heretics and tried to bring them back to the pasture of the Lord. If they were unrepentent and refused to acknowlege themselves as wrong, the Inquisition could do no more, they were given over to the secular authorities.
Same here, if it is not right……then why????
Quick fact check:
Inquisition
1. Only Catholics could be brought to trial by the Inquisition.
2. A person had to be found guilty twice to be executed.
3. The Inquisition was actually run by the civil government of Spain, not the Church.
4. The Inquisition jail was far preferred over the civil jail. Men were known to have comitted
blasphemy in order to be transferred to the Inquisition jail.
5. The Inquisition was actually begun by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella, although with Rome’s permission, in order to root out Muslims who had “converted” to Catholicism for monetary and social benefits. If they were found still practicing the Muslim faith, they were brought to trial by the Inquisition.
6. Yes, some people were executed, in horrible ways. But to put it in historical context, everyone in those days who was executed was done so horribly. Humane treatment of prisoners was not the order of the day.
Crusades
1. In the first 100 years of Islam, the Muslims wiped out all of Catholic North Africa and most of the Middle East, especially around Jerusalem. They spread Islam by the sword! They also pushed their attack into the Middle of Europe and were finally defeated by Charles “The Hammer” Martel and his army.
2. The Muslims continued attacking through the centuries before the Crusades, even attacking Rome. They sacked the Vatican and dug up and burned bodies of some of the Saints there. The Church’s response at that time? Build a big wall around the city.
3. Finally, the Muslims closed off the Holy Land to Catholic pilgrims altogether. This was the straw that broke the camel’s back. The Pope requested a Crusade to free the Holy Land so that the faithful could once again be able to make pilgrimages. In the meantime, to substitute, the Way of the Cross was created. On the way to Jerusalem, they defeated the Muslims who had surrounded then Catholic Constantinople.
4. The Crusades were a very delayed response to centuries of Muslim aggression.
5. The Crusaders only held Jerusalem for about 100 years, before being defeated by the Muslims once again.
6. Subsequent Crusades were less and less effective. The last requested Crusade never even got off the ground. Interest had withered to nothing by the kingdoms requested to send soldiers.
Dear Donald Patterson
Shalom.
You wrote:
1. Only Catholics could be brought to trial by the Inquisition.
2. A person had to be found guilty twice to be executed.
My reply:
There is a logic short circuit in your claims. ALL protestants were in principle Roman Catholics. When the exodus from the RCC started, ALL protestants could be rounded up, sent for trial, and executed.
Jews in Europe had two choices in Catholic England in 1100 A.D. Convert to the Catholic faith, or leave the country. Many obviously chose to convert. Who wants to leave their house and properties, and go nowhere?
If the converted Jews, later, were found to practice the same Judaism as Jesus practiced, they were branded as Heretic Catholics. They were “Judaizers”. Found “guilty” twice, they were executed. They were beheaded or burnt at stake. How lovely. The true love of God, I presume.
In the Roman Catholic Portuguese colony of Goa in India, “the Judaizers” were strangled before their bodies were burnt at stake. The Inquisition tribunal in the Rome of the East, arrested 16.000 people, and put them for trial. That is twice the number of people slaughtered in the massacre of Sebreniza in Bosnia.
Link to the Roman Catholic genocide in Goa:
http://oldgoa.wordpress.com/
I’m not going believe some of the sources you used like wikipedia which is very unreliable and the sources can be changed by anybody who is member of the site!
But I know the Goa case which began in 1560 of the Spanish inquistion! In a Nutshell that should mean nothing to Hindus who most pretended to be Catholic, but secretly were practicing or mixing Christian and hindu religious practice. Plus, like the Spanish inquisition, it was run by the government, not the Church.
Dear Donald Patterson
Shalom.
You wrote:
But I know the Goa case which began in 1560 of the Spanish inquistion! In a Nutshell that should mean nothing to Hindus who most pretended to be Catholic, but secretly were practicing or mixing Christian and hindu religious practice.
My comment:
What a horrible statement. “Hindus that pretended to be Catholic”. What kind of insane man are you? The Portuguese did not live in Goa. They were criminals who attacked Goa, and robbed the land from the native people who lived there. The Roman Catholic invaders were thief’s and robbers.
Do you get me?
Hindu Temples were destroyed by the Jesuits.
Do you understand this?
Hindus were forced to convert to the Catholic faith. Many goans were converted at gun point. With their temples destroyed, and their properties stolen, what do you expect?
In Goa, The Catholics found Jews living in their thousands. They lived in peace and prosperity. The First Jewish colonies in India were built in 300-200 BC. When the Roman Catholic priesthood of Satan arrived, the synagogues in Goa were captured, and made into “Catholic shrines”. “Judaizers” were burnt at stake. The Portuguese Roman Catholics have blood on their hands.
I do not want the falsehood you write on this site. Kindly leave.
Please stop the train so I can get off. The RCC used civil power to achieve their goals while still keeping their hands clean. I am shocked anyone can defend 600 years of MURDER. Yes, they killed heretics, especially the Anabaptist’s. Read the story Of Michael Stlattery, his tongue pulled out and his flesh torn away with burning tongs before putting a sack of gunpowder around his neck and thrown into the fire. They also drowned his wife. Slattery was an ex-priest who became born again and help start the Anabaptist movement of believers.
Anyone who can defend the Inquisition as good is in complete denial. How many apostles said to “convert or die?” NONE. It is antagonistic to the gospel. Yet you defend it. Sickening.
Sue you are not historian and I am with a Degree in Medieval History which qualifies me!!
But did you know that the Inquisition was the very first judicial body in which every accused person had a right to be represented by counsel before he was questioned? And if the accused didn’t have one, one was provided for him?
That was not the case even in the U.S. until the “Miranda” case in 1966.
Also, the accused was asked to write down a list of all his enemies. If his accusers were on that list, the case against him was nearly always thrown out.
Another small thing. After the reconquest of Spain from the Muslims, in the 1500s some Muslims either converted or pretended to convert for personal gain or other reasons. But they were considered threats to the state if their conversion was insincere. Muslim armies were only a few miles away. Therefore if a former Muslim who converted was accused of secretly remaining a Muslim, he was considered a potential “spy” or “turncoat”, and the purpose of the Inquisition was to determine whether the accusations were true or not.
If a man said he was a Muslim and never claimed to convert, he wasn’t subject to the Inquisition.
Jews were in a similar position because they were very much in the employ of the Muslim powers prior to the reconquest. So, if a person was a Jew and never converted, he was left alone. If he converted and still practiced Judaism secretly, he was considered a potential spy or agent of Islamic powers.
We can look back on it and think it was perhaps silly, but we don’t think the assassinations of the “secret jihadist” Maj. Hasan, who pretended loyalty to the U.S. military, were at all silly. Also you all forget State and Religion were one entity before the French Revolution 1798 or the USA revoluntion 1776 separating Church and State. If one was heretic you not only an enemy of Church, but an enemy of the State!
So which Jesuit college did you earn your degree? Should I be impressed or something? Universities indoctrinate their students. Everyone knows that. Why do you think education is such a big Catholic thing??? Because they helped form the university system where mass-brainwashing can occur to support the “holy father.”
There is more to history than the catholic view…
If you want to know I am Catholic but the education?? It was Mercer University a Southern Baptist run in the State of Georgia, USA.
Donald,
You said:
Also you all forget State and Religion were one entity before the French Revolution 1798 or the USA revoluntion 1776 separating Church and State. If one was heretic you not only an enemy of Church, but an enemy of the State!
My reply:
the RCC would love nothing more than to make this a reality again with their numerous concordats and their quest for world government and a world bank. Do the research.
Do you have any idea what a Concordat is???? If you do then explain it? I know what it is but I like to hear your explanation!
Oh, did you know the bank system of Europe was invented by a Catholic in Italy…..the Medici Banking system which we still use today! Even the use of checks and transactions! Interesting!
Dear Donald Patterson
Shalom.
You wrote:
Do you have any idea what a Concordat is????
My reply:
Some people who elevate them selves, have a quite arrogant attitude towards others.
Sue is not a novice, but educated as a Roman Catholic “disciple” of the Pope.
Hitler’s Pope signed a deal with Nazi-Germany. “A Concordat”. The Roman Catholic Church got the right to hold their masses and run educational institutions, as long as the Vatican approved priesthood did not raise their voices against the new rulers in Germany.
Why should they. Hitler was as good a Roman Catholic, as other German Catholics.
The best way to explain this word, is a “peace treaty”. Another is: “Let us build Nazi Germany together”. Hitler was by all means a proper Roman Catholic. He was baptized as an infant in a Church in Austria, born into a proper Roman Catholic family. Hitler attended masses, and accepted ‘Jesus of Rome” by eating the “Holy Eucharist”. He confirmed his Roman Catholic faith. Obviously, the Nazi-leader wished to sign a written agreement with his “Holy Father”.
In regards to banking, the banking system was invented by the Jewish people. The Jews were invited to take their first fruits, and store them. Grain, wheat and vegetable were redistributed to people who had need. Coins were minted to give credit to contributors. Coins replaced the original barter trade system.
Jesus spoke about what to do with such coins. It they had the image of the Roman Emperor in Pagan Rome on it, the Jews were called to give it back to the Worldly paganized ruler. Judas, the first “bank director”, stole money from the money bag. The money was collected, kept in his “bank”, to be used to pay for their consumption of various goods, that were not gifted to them.
Dear Ivar,
Shalom.
It’s important to point out that in many countries, Catholic baptism was also a registry. If people were not baptized they did not count as citizens and were forced to leave the country. Naturally people just “did it” like getting a social security card or insurance papers. How sad and pathetic is that? Men like Michael Slattery and Wycliffe spoke out against this false baptism and the necessity to believe in Jesus. Of course, this excludes infants who do not have this understanding. For this, Michael was murdered.
Remember the eunuch and Phillip walking along the road?
Acts 8:26-40
And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I ask you, of whom is the prophet speaking? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached to him Jesus. And as they went on their way, they came to some water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what keeps me from being baptized? And Philip said, If you believe with all your heart, you may. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. And he commanded the chariot to stop: and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and Philip baptized him. And when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, and the eunuch saw him no more: but he went on his way rejoicing. But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
(end of scripture)
The Vatican needed these baby baptisms, because it also meant more taxes for them. If you could not pay the taxes to the church they took livestock and land. This is the truth.
And so it goes through the years, millions baptized NON BELIEVERS, thinking they are saved because they were baptized babies when they were never born again.
What a sad story indeed.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
As a baptist, I have no objections to your last comment. I believe people must confess faith in Jesus, before they are baptized.
In regards to baptism, I fully understand that Baptism do not save anyone. Faith in Jesus alone, is the key to salvation. The thief of the cross was not baptized. He repented, and asked Jesus to remember him.
There is not a single positive confirmation in the Bible, that infants were baptized. Even Evangelical Lutheran Christians are practicing Baptists out on the mission fields. I have never seen any Christian, trying to preach the gospel to infants in Asia and Latin America. They preach to adults, and they do not baptize them before they see fruits of repentance.
Who will baptize a pagan? The Apostles did not.
It is a mystery to me, how Evangelical Lutherans turn “Lutheran Catholics” when they get their own children. Denying them the same Biblical baptism, they practiced on the mission fields.
I keep on warning the Lutheran camp, that the majority of them will eventually return home to Rome, and support the “Church of the antichrist”.
Dear Ivar,
I agree with you. Being in the Evangelical Free church, their beliefs are the same. First believe, then baptism.
Great point about the missionaries and the Lutherans.
Baptism is a beautiful symbol and commitment. Dying with Him and rising to new life.
I was baptized as an infant. What a joy to be baptized as an adult.
Baptism is symbolic of the spiritual resurrection that all believers experience when they are born again. Dying to sin, raised to walk in newness of life. That is a resurrection. A beautiful thing, truly.
It is unbelievable that they still say there is such a thing as purgatory, I thought that that teaching was abandoned long time ago.
Ahem, “Do not judge or you shall be judged,” If you never heard that simple quote from jesus and fully understood it then please leave jesus/yeshua out of this. As for the anti christ and satan. don’t you worry about that, we’ve got it covered, I’m sure they would be so clever as to appear in your most obvious targeted faith, as they are gods biggest rivals and arch enemies and all, so what better a place to show up then the obvious. That would make it so much easier and simple don’t you think? Now all we have to do is convince every one else.
You refer to Matthew 7:1 by saying not to judge, yet you clearly have not read the whole chapter. It goes on to tell the believer to not judge AS THE WORLD judges. It goes on more to tell the believer to JUDGE ACCORDING TO GOD’S WORD. So yes, I, as a believer, can judge a person according to God’s Word. I judge the RCC as blatant liars.
of course once we have convinced every one else then satan and the antichrist can’t go there so where would they show up then? I mean if there was only one faith and every one believed in it then where would they go then? I mean surely they have to come but if we’re all saved maybe they’ll just say ‘ fuck it’ and repent for their sins so they can go up to heaven with the rest of us.
THIS IS A LITTLE CREEPY
Good thing it is still a sin to worship saints in the catholic church or your accusations would not be true.
Shalom.
Truly, a Dead Giveaway…
The Catholic soul is dead. Many a fool tries to bring them to life.
This is the most idiotic site I have seen in quite a while. You spew your hatred of the Catholic Church, but hide like a coward, because no where could I find a name on this piece of trash. Get an education you moron.
Dear Ethelred Windsor
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
My mame is Ivar. Is your name “Ethelred Windsor”…? Whatever..Where in your Bible did you find the permission to worship the corpse of a mortal man like Bosco?
You know i actually believe it, i was just saying.
Ijar, can you take this comment and my last one directly above down, because it is confusing to a reader. With keen appreciation, thank you.