False Christians support Islam in New York city

After “anti-Muslim ads” hit NYC subways last month, Jewish and Christian groups respond with a “message of love”.

Two messages on the subway. One who tell the truth about Islam, and one who compromise.

Rabbis for Human Rights – North America and the Sojourners Christian group will place their adverts right next to the anti-jihad messages that were released by pro-Israel group, the American Freedom Defense Initiative (AFDI).

The organization covered 10 Manhattan stations, despite strong objection by the city’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority.

The original text by the AFDI declared “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man. Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.”

The ad by Rabbis for Human Rights- North America will say “In the choice between love and hate, choose love. Help stop bigotry against our Muslim neighbors.”

 “Love your Muslim neighbors,” is the message on the Sojourners’ ad.

“Our subway platforms and buses should not be the platform for messages of hate that divide friends, neighbors, and colleagues,” read a message on the Rabbis for Human Rights – North America’s website.

Last week the United Methodist Women Church unveiled its response to the AFDI posters with an ad saying “Hate speech is not civilized. Support peace in word and deed.”

 “We needed to be present with a counter voice, we need to stand for the work of peace, and to say that free speech should not be used recklessly or in an inflammatory way,” United Methodist Women General Secretary, Harriett J. Olson, said during an interfaith press conference on Sept. 25th.

 These disturbing and misguided ads are not meant to educate; they are meant to increase hatred and discrimination against New York City’s Muslims, and to drive a wedge between Muslims and Jews.

The subway ads demonize Islam and ignore the positive contributions that our Muslim friends, neighbors and colleagues make to our country every day,” says a petition on its website.

Source: Rt.com

My comment:

It is possible to have two thoughts in the head at the same time.

It is possible to love a sinner, but hate sin.

Likewise it is possible to hate Islam, but to love all Muslims.

To say that Islam is a false revelation, not from God, is a true and correct statement. Those who call Islam for “holy” and a message from God are liars.

The basic error of Islam is that Jesus is presented as a mortal man, a prophet. His divinity as the eternal God the Son is rejected.

We who say Islam is not from God, are the true lovers of Muslims. We love them enough to tell them that they have been deceived to follow the message from a false prophet.  When they face people who tell them the truth, they get a chance to repent.

First published: October 8th, 2012.

Written by Ivar

18 thoughts on “False Christians support Islam in New York city

  1. When that ‘phrase’ came out of ”love the sinner and hate the sin”…it left something out…”Ask the battered wife, the abused sexually and/or physically children, the family of the drunks, dope addicts, people in the cars of those hot-heads and/or the family of these’ how to love the ‘person and hate the sin’…but still remain/live with them that would be real love, open the gates of the prisons and let the criminals out so we can ‘love the sinner and hate the sin’ while we live with them, even the ones who have kidnapped and killed the children, families of the religious nuts, living with and teaching people how to accept and understand homosexuality while you hate the sin…or better yet…

    Let the ‘Muslims learn to ‘love the Christians but hate their religion’….
    Let the homosexuals/lesbians/trangenders/boy and girl lovers of grown men and women learn how to live with Christians but hate their belief…..love them but hate their sin….

    Oh wait….they already do….(smile) that’s why they show so much compassion on the people they torture and murder and the towns they blow up killing and maiming so many while also destroying property….that’s why they got the Nations to pass laws to ‘make the world accept their way as a normal part of life….

    Or…just let the Nations change THEIR rules and let the ‘haters of these things be the good guys and the ones living by The Word be the bad guys….

    Oops….we already have that….(smile)

      1. I think I answered this one….if not…it’s the same as what Jesus said…they don’t come to him because they love their sins more than they love him. When that hit home to my own heart that ‘hurt’…(smile)…some get indignant…some get defensive..but you just can’t out talk Jesus…call it ‘Chicken Soup for the Soul, Philosophy, Call it babying them don’t hurt their little feelings (smile)…it still boils down to what Jesus said…’they love their sins more than they love him! ….in one part He even said….’they are not worthy of Him’…Wow…! If we don’t leave father, mother, brother etc….we are not worthy of Him…he puts it on the nose don’t he! after all HE did do all the suffering on the Cross!! he does deserve all the faithfulness…even the worse criminal hates a lying, faithless friend!
        If he lies, he’ll steal, if he’s faithless, he’ll go hang around with your enemy! and the enemy of Jesus Christ is Satan!!

      1. If you are referring to the message in the Subway in New York, I’d have to refer to the scripture that comes to mind for me…’the cares of the World will choke the Word in you’….it is not for me to have the solution to the Worlds problems, it is however for me to have the Words solutions for my problems. That is more than enough for me to tend to in one day.

    1. “Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.” Rom 12:19-21.

      1. I am not sure if this response was to me or for any or all of us to see,…either way since it is the Word it is good to see (smile) …as for taking vengeance for myself, I can’t do that nor have i in quite a few years…for The Word explicitly tells us not to! So if you thought I meant I had, then I apologize for your thinking thusly.

  2. The methodist women and all the women of the other “major” religions are described succinctly in this chapter of Romans, especially what I have made upper case.

    They not only practice those sins but also have abandon, if I may say, the proper use and worship we were given by God in order for us forgiven disciples as we invoke discipleship as Jesus has declared in Luke Chapter 14.

    I expect that they will declare that the Apostles were gay.

    Romans 1
    King James Version (KJV)
    1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

    2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

    3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

    4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

    5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

    6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

    7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

    9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

    10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

    11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

    12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

    13 Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

    14 I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

    15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

    16 FOR I AM NOT ASHAMED OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST: FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION TO EVERY ONE THAT BELIEVETH; TO THE JEW FIRST, AND ALSO TO THE GREEK.

    17 FOR THEREIN IS THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD REVEALED FROM FAITH TO FAITH: AS IT IS WRITTEN, THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.

    18 FOR THE WRATH OF GOD IS REVEALED FROM HEAVEN AGAINST ALL UNGODLINESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS OF MEN, WHO HOLD THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS;

    19 BECAUSE THAT WHICH MAY BE KNOWN OF GOD IS MANIFEST IN THEM; FOR GOD HATH SHEWED IT UNTO THEM.

    20 FOR THE INVISIBLE THINGS OF HIM FROM THE CREATION OF THE WORLD ARE CLEARLY SEEN, BEING UNDERSTOOD BY THE THINGS THAT ARE MADE, EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD; SO THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE:

    21 BECAUSE THAT, WHEN THEY KNEW GOD, THEY GLORIFIED HIM NOT AS GOD, NEITHER WERE THANKFUL; BUT BECAME VAIN IN THEIR IMAGINATIONS, AND THEIR FOOLISH HEART WAS DARKENED.

    22 PROFESSING THEMSELVES TO BE WISE, THEY BECAME FOOLS,

    23 AND CHANGED THE GLORY OF THE UNCORRUPTIBLE GOD INTO AN IMAGE MADE LIKE TO CORRUPTIBLE MAN, AND TO BIRDS, AND FOURFOOTED BEASTS, AND CREEPING THINGS.

    24 WHEREFORE GOD ALSO GAVE THEM UP TO UNCLEANNESS THROUGH THE LUSTS OF THEIR OWN HEARTS, TO DISHONOUR THEIR OWN BODIES BETWEEN THEMSELVES:

    25 WHO CHANGED THE TRUTH OF GOD INTO A LIE, AND WORSHIPPED AND SERVED THE CREATURE MORE THAN THE CREATOR, WHO IS BLESSED FOR EVER. AMEN.

    26 FOR THIS CAUSE GOD GAVE THEM UP UNTO VILE AFFECTIONS: FOR EVEN THEIR WOMEN DID CHANGE THE NATURAL USE INTO THAT WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE:

    27 AND LIKEWISE ALSO THE MEN, LEAVING THE NATURAL USE OF THE WOMAN, BURNED IN THEIR LUST ONE TOWARD ANOTHER; MEN WITH MEN WORKING THAT WHICH IS UNSEEMLY, AND RECEIVING IN THEMSELVES THAT RECOMPENCE OF THEIR ERROR WHICH WAS MEET.

    28 AND EVEN AS THEY DID NOT LIKE TO RETAIN GOD IN THEIR KNOWLEDGE, GOD GAVE THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND, TO DO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE NOT CONVENIENT;

    29 BEING FILLED WITH ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, FORNICATION, WICKEDNESS, COVETOUSNESS, MALICIOUSNESS; FULL OF ENVY, MURDER, DEBATE, DECEIT, MALIGNITY; WHISPERERS,

    30 BACKBITERS, HATERS OF GOD, DESPITEFUL, PROUD, BOASTERS, INVENTORS OF EVIL THINGS, DISOBEDIENT TO PARENTS,

    31 WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, COVENANTBREAKERS, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, IMPLACABLE, UNMERCIFUL:

    32 WHO KNOWING THE JUDGMENT OF GOD, THAT THEY WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS ARE WORTHY OF DEATH, NOT ONLY DO THE SAME, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM.

  3. So very many churches are in great apostasy..They need to go back and read real slow Matthew 24 and Matthew 25…Seperating the sheep with the goats is missed by many. After all Yeshua is talking to the Jews…so , even some who claim to be Christian as G-d will seperate all christians as either a sheep or a goat..Too many read it as if it is about a unsaved or saved person. Most don’t realize or care who G-d is talking to, just follow teachers that don’t understand much of or about the Covenants of Israel, thinking if they are not saved now they never will be.NOTHING more wrong than thinking that…Knowing how G-d warned of who is cursed in Genesis 12:3..My G-d who doesn’t change , no shadow of turning, than later and in many verses as well as Romans 9-10 and 11 , Paul tells us again.Reading Joel 3:1,2 then Ezekiel 20.33-42 He stretched out his right hand and arm and again Zeck 12:10 and also Amos 9:11-12 and we know all Israel will be saved for the sake of the Fathers. Till they SEE how G-d has set aside Israel for a time, He will never break the covenants with them..and He is coming with Redemption for them and not send death or harm to them ever again. I am looking forward to rejoicing with them as the scriptures says when He seperates the christians as to whether they are sheep or goats depends on how they treated Israel the least of these MY brothers..Yeshua is talking to the gentiles and warning them . G-d forever bless the Jewish people who will reign forever with our Jewish G-d..Shalom

    1. >>>So very many churches are in great apostasy..They need to go back and read real slow Matthew 24 and Matthew 25<<<

      You are so right….in the last 15 to 20 years Matthew 24, 25 has been 'explained away' so has Jude…several other scriptures as well..

  4. The fools don’t they see there’s still3000 people dead from 9-11. Were is the calm in there lands..the lord said a day would come when the Luke warm would beloved the lies..open your eyes you will walk into hell both eyes open…

  5. Who says that Pamela hates muslims?! She said fight jihad, which is a war that islam calls its followers to wage against all non-muslims aiming at either turning them into muslims, killing them or making them pay taxes for non-muslims and be second class citizens. She said that savages are those that kill the inocent, not that all muslims are savages.

  6. Thanks Ivar. I believe the same advice is applicable to RCC faithfuls, I’m sure gonna substitute Islam and .Muslims for RCC and Catholics and share on my FB. We need reach out to catholic. Was one once and I tell you they’re could take longer to convert. God bless you Ivar we’re almost there.

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