Liberman: IDF should open fire at stone-throwers

Former FM urges change to IDF rules of engagement, claiming “only this kind of change will stop targeting of citizens.”

Muslims practice their "peaceful" religion the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
When Muslims practice their “peaceful” religion on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, the Israeli authorities needs to act.

Yisrael Beytenu chairman Avigdor Liberman urged incoming Defense Minister, Moshe Ya’alon, on Sunday to change the IDF’s rules of engagement to instruct soldiers to open fire at “rock-throwing terrorists.”

Liberman asserted that “rock-throwing [should] be treated like shooting using firearms,“adding that” only this kind of change will stop civilians and soldiers from being targeted by Arab rioters and prevent disasters.”

The Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) released a report last week documenting a significant rise in Palestinian attacks in the West Bank and east Jerusalem in February.

A total of 139 attacks, including firebombings and the use of improvised explosives, took place in February, compared to 83 in January.

Source: Jerusalem Post

My comment:

When Islamic mobs tries to destroy your entire nation, it is difficult to take the command of Jesus to “turn the other cheek” literally.

Jesus the Messiah told us to turn the other cheek, and not to resist an evil man. If this teachings mean that the leadership of Israel shall out down their arms, there will not be a Jewish homeland by tomorrow.

Satan knows the teachings of Jesus. He will surely try to twist the message.

 Matthew 5:39

But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

The Jews are called to look after Zion. If they fail this task, Jesus the Messiah will hold them accountable.

You do not help a Muslim, by approving his violence and wickedness. The best way to bless the enemy is sometimes to keep him behind bars, so he can not do more damage to him self and others.

By not crippling “terrorist stone throwers”, you basically turn the softer cheek towards them, and show them mercy and grace.

Do not kill them, And when they are pacified and imprisoned, there is no more questions of being challenged to accept their evil deeds. Get the Islamic mob of the streets, and behind closed doors.

Something to reflect on.

Written by Ivar

52 thoughts on “Liberman: IDF should open fire at stone-throwers

  1. Dear Ivar, you write: «Jesus the Messiah told us to turn the other cheek»…but this is an idiom that does not mean what most of the world thinks it means, and not what you say here.

    Please follow:

    This Jewish idiom rather means that if you have offened someone so much that they, in public, feel the need to slap your face, then you ought to bid them the other cheek as well.

    Pacifism, as and ideology, is not only anti-Jewish, it is also anti-Biblical.

    It is our duty to teach those that have been taught the lie that we should be pacifists, by roman-catholic infiltration into doctrinal issues, the reality.

    1. You interpret what Christians believe, then you say YOU don’t believe it? Jesus WAS a Jew and you have no idea how to interpret what HE said, let alone what your own belief system is. Go back to school!

    2. Dear Lars-Toralf

      Shalom.

      I will not harm anyone. I am ready to get my head chopped off. The blood of no man, shall come on my hands.

      The Messiah is crystal clear: You do not bless your enemies, by killing them. If you kill a non believer, you have robbed a soul for the kingdom of darkness. You have become a servant of Hell.

      That the majority of Jews rejects the teachings of Jesus, do not make them righteous. Nor does their rejection of Him make His teachings wrong.

      1. Nor do I want to harm anyone. BUT: I will defend myself and my family, and if that will lead to me killing someone who comes to murder me, that presents to problem.

        The fifth commandment says: “Do not murder!” It doesn’t say “Thou shalt not kill!”.

      2. Lars,

        Now you are word playing. To take what God said and try to twist it to justify a crime is insulting to God.

        I would think that Do not murder equates with Thou shalt not kill, since both would lead to taking someone’s life.

      3. The commandment to not kill is not meant to not protect oneself! Yeshua said to “sell your plowshare and buy a sword.” That wasn’t meant to start war, it was for self-defense.

        When people don’t study and observe the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths, those are the mistakes they make in understanding His Word.

      4. Sorry Gloria, but that is simply not true. Even in English there is a difference between manslaughter and murder/homicide. As in Hebrew it is clear as well. Murder is “Ratzach”, and “Kill” is “Harigah”.
        The fifth commandment as we read it, is based on a roman catholic translational tradition, and there are plenty other verses in the Bible which is too.

      5. Lars-Toralf,

        THANK you for the Hebrew translation of those 2 words. I am Messianic, but the translations just didn’t come to me. I so appreciate that!

        The biggest problem with Christianity today is that it has been WESTERNIZED and the Jewishness of it has been white-washed! Christians ignore Sabbath and the Lord’s Feasts, which MUST be grievous to Yahweh!

        Shalom and ahava to you!

  2. Incorrect.

    Jesus command to “turn the other cheek” was a guideline for how fellow Jews should treat each other in their interpersonal relationships in his kingdom (which kingdom is not yet in effect because the Jews rejected it) – the sermon has absolutely nothing to do with running a government in the present age.

    “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” Matt. 5:17;

    “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” Luke 19:27;

    “he hale thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and the officer cast thee into prison.” Luke 12:58;

    “told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them … except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” Luke 13:1-3;

    “But now … he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” Luke 22:36.

    If I threw rocks at policemen I would expect them to open fire and shoot me. This is the rule in every country in the world – except in Israel where the news media hates the Jews and won’t let them defend themselves against their enemies.

    Yes, shoot to kill all the insane Arab murderers who throw rocks at innocent people in Israel – that is a good policy.

    1. Hello Mack
      His kingdom is in effect now. The remnant or the elect that God had chosen at that time did not reject it. They received it It continued on and still continues. Jesus is king of it and his people (believers/followers/ the church)
      are led by him. Just because most of the Israelites did not receive his kingdom did not mean that it did not come. It came as the prophets said it would and also he himself said. the Kingdom is here on earth as it is in heaven. Too many just don’t or refuse to see it.

      1. Todd,

        You said: the Kingdom is here on earth as it is in heaven. Too many just don’t or refuse to see it.

        My comment: I may be wrong, but are you saying for example “Revelation 21:1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea” has occurred?

      2. Todd, His KINGDOM will “be in effect” when He returns. Not before. Right now, we’re living “in the world.” This world is Satan’s realm. His “remnant” will walk in His footsteps, observing His Feasts and Sabbaths, not those set by man which are Pagan.

      3. Dear Todd.

        Shalom.

        There seems to be less difference between you and the Pope. You both represent the fleshy replacement theology kingdom of “the Church”. Just try to come into agreement about who shall be the replacement king, the very “Vicarious for the Messiah”.

        The Kingdom of Heaven is not of this World. It can not be established without the King present.

        A kingdom without a king is an incomplete kingdom.

        But when the Messiah returns as the Lion of Judah, those who are still on Earth shall face Him. He will reign as King from Jerusalem. Amen.

      4. Romans 16:25 Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him.
        Eph. 3:9,10 and to make known to everyone the administration of this mystery, which was kept hidden in God who created all things.His (God’s) intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers, and authorities in the heavenly realms.
        Sounds like a kingdom to me with Christ’s proclamation announcing it and the gospel confirming it. His kingdom on earth has been advancing ever since. People from all nations believe in him and obey him. His kingdom still is advancing. Of the increase of his government and peace their shall be no end. From the time he started it and forever. I am part of it. Maybe you are not. Gloria, what does Revelation 21:1 mean.

      5. Todd,

        You quoted Ephesians 3:9-10 to justify your belief that the kingdom is here on earth as it is in heaven.

        My comment: Taking one bible quote to justify such is wrong. Ephesians 3 should be read as a whole chapter.

        Ephesians 3:1-13 says:

        1For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles-2if indeed you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace which was given to me for you; 3that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief. 4By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, 7of which I was made a minister, according to the gift of God’s grace which was given to me according to the working of His power. 8To me, the very least of all saints, this grace was given, to preach to the Gentiles the unfathomable riches of Christ, 9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; 10so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord, 12in whom we have boldness and confident access through faith in Him. 13Therefore, I ask you not to lose heart at my tribulations on your behalf, for they are your glory.

        The mystery Paul describes is: That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

        That is what Paul is saying.

      6. Gloria,
        You are so correct about taking verses out of context. I was in a hurry. I too say often that people take verses out of context. That may not have been a good scripture to select. That still does not
        Change my belief about the kingdom being here now. What kingdom are you a part of. Who reigns in your life. The kingdom of God is alive and well here on earth. I see it. The trouble with everybody is that they fail to recognize it all around them. They only look for the evil, has the kingdom not advanced at all since Christ established it. Or in your eyes has it not been established yet. If it hasn’t then what is it that we belong too. Jesus reigns his kingdom from the throne that he sits on. Or maybe he doesn’t reign at all. Which is it. Everyone is waiting for the kingdom to come and while waiting for it they are missing it. I refuse to miss it..

      7. Todd,

        Your message is confusing to me. If you are asking me if I’ve accepted Christ, and believe in Him, then yes.

        But What I get from your words is that you believe that Revelation 21:1 physically the “new earth” is here and now, and then that would mean a new heaven also. Jesus Christ is not reigning on earth just as he said he will and has promised. That has not happened yet. Nor has the great judgment, nor has Satan been chained, only then to be loosened for a short time later on. There are so many wrong things in your belief, I say that completely with all the love I have in my heart.

        In fact, I could never pinpoint why your beliefs differ from any bible beliving christian, but with all due respect, I think Ivar is right. You are stuck in a replacement theology void. And I remember from past speaking with you, you said you taught yourself the Bible.

        What is wrong with going to a Christian Bible Believing Church and learning there, and praying to Christ for guidance? It seems you need something like that. I’ve done it, and still do, and have taken my children too. My father has gone to Bible College, to learn more about God. My pastors has taught me the Word also, and more importantly Jesus has shown it to me too.

      8. Gloria,

        When you go to church on Sunday, do you know you are ignoring the Lord’s Sabbath? Bible colleges have westernized Christianity until it is almost unrecognizable.

        The early Popes chose to claim it was moved to Sunday, but SUNday is a day they were actually giving to Pagans to pull them into the new religion. Pagans chose Sunday to worship the SUN.

        God created His Feasts and Sabbaths before mankind! Look at Genesis 1:14. The word “seasons” means “holy convocations” and “appointed times.” There were no Jews then! Those times were meant for all who love Yahweh, not just Jews!

        When you ignore Torah and the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths, you miss the most important teachings in the entire Bible. Do you know the “season” that Yeshua will return? If not, why not? I would suggest you study His Feasts so you WILL know! I know, and so does anyone who studies and observes. We don’t know the day and hour, but we do know the Feast. (hint: It isn’t in the spring because those Feasts have been fulfilled)

      9. Dorrie,

        Colossians 2:16-17
        Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

        The law, the festivals, and the Sabbath are fulfilled in Christ Jesus; He is our rest. These practices were declared unto the Israelites in preparation of their King. Regulations such as what not to eat, or what day to worship are of no benefit to the believer (Paul goes on to reaffirm this).

        Grace and Peace.

      10. Steven,

        Yes, Yeshua fulfilled Torah – to show us how to live it as well! He made it clear that he didn’t come to ABOLISH THE LAW/TORAH!! This is where Christians fall short because they’re so willing to move away from Torah, which Yeshua LOVED!

        When you choose not to study and observe the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths, you also choose not to know Yahweh’s heart.

        Are we judged if we eat pork? No. It is a law given for our HEALTH, not our salvation! Ever wonder where all those strange cancers come from??

        Read a little book called “Holy Cow.” For instance, shrimp were created to be filters for the world’s oceans. One shrimp can filter as much as 50 gallons of sea water a day, some of it could contain cholera. Want to eat that?? I sure don’t. God doesn’t judge or condemn you if you do, but has shown where it is not real FOOD.

        So please, don’t quote scripture to me, I know it forward and backward – and I study it in the original Hebrew.

        May you be blessed with the truth instead of being confused by teachers who don’t know scripture!

      11. Hi Gloria
        I do attend a bible believing church. every sunday. A southern Baptist church. I just finished a term of deacon. I love my church.
        The gospel is preached there. I am alone however on some of my beliefs. I do not let them cause division among the fellowship of believers there. I receive good teaching there. I engage in wonderful worship there. The people there are like family. Kingdom living is lived out among us in a general sense. I am not Catholic. Never have been and truly I don’t know much about the catholic church, except what I read on Ivar’s site and I am grateful for the info I have received. I appreciate your kindness
        in your reply’s back. While we see things differently as in paul’s illustration of seeing through a dark glass, not seeing things quite clearly or maybe shaded or clouded, one day we will see clearly.
        Another verse to confirm my belief that the kingdom is here and has been here since Jesus establishedit is Rev.1:9. It says this
        I, John, your brother and companion in the tribulation,(some translations use the word sufferings) and kingdom (what kingdom,whose kingdom? ) that are ours in Jesus. The tribulation that Jesus said was comming the kingdom that he was a companion of theirs in and the patient endurance that all are because of Christ. What Kingdom Gloria is Jesus speaking of

      12. Hi Dorrie,
        Is an honor to dialogue with a Hebrew.
        Jesus said in his sermon on the mount.
        He told his followers that they should pray this …”thy kingdom come,thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Jesus never said that this earth is the kingdom anywhere. He said that the will of God was that the kingdom which is in heaven would be on earth as well. Not that the earth would or will be the kingdom but that the kingdom would exist on earth. The only way that the kingdom could exist on earth is that he had to live in his people that are here. His people believe in him, they have circumsised hearts that has been done by him. The law, his law has been written on their hearts. His people,(true people) are able to live out his commands while they are here. When his people do this
        it looks like the kingdom. Perhaps maybe you have not witnessed kingdom life and its hard for you too comprehend that it is here. But it is. I have seen it and witness it daily because I look for it and choose to live it while I am here. When Jesus said the kingdom was near, or at hand and John the Baptist said the same, I believe it was and it began very soon from them saying it.
        It was no surprise to God that most of the Israelites would not recieve the kingdom, but his kingdom on earth was arriving and the remnant at that time believed it and received it and the kingdom has grown ever since. If you want to worship on satarday so be it I do not condemn you. I choose to worship everyday. Sunday just happens to be the day we all get together.
        My sabbath is found in Christ

      13. Todd,

        Your words are put together in such a way that it sounds as if you might be Jehovah’s Witness. Yes?

        Yeshua had HUNDREDS of followers during His time on earth, but He did make it clear that His Kingdom would be after the Tribulation. Right now, this earth belongs to HaSatan and we were told to live IN this world, but not OF it. This is not our home.

        And yes, His Law/Torah is written on our hearts, that’s why we, the Remnant, love it so. We know we are called to be His own.

      14. Dorrie,

        You wrote: He made it clear that he didn’t come to ABOLISH THE LAW/TORAH!!

        I never claimed that he did abolish it, but rather that he fulfilled it.

        Paul gives an example of this in regards to the Festival of the Unleavened Bread in 1 Corinthians. He says that this Festival should be kept indeed. The Unleavened bread represents the removal of sin from the converted believer. This is how the Christian is to truly celebrate the Festival of the Unleavened Bread. Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross was not so that we would remove all leaven from our homes for a week, but that we would remove sin from our lives daily.

      15. Steven,

        You didn’t answer my question about whether you are Jehovah’s Witness.

        Yahweh made it clear in the First Covenant that ALL the Appointed Times/Holy Convocations were to be observed.

        Sorry that you didn’t study and learn that . . .

      16. Dorrie,

        No I am not Jehovah’s Witness, and I mistook that question as being for Todd.

        You wrote:

        Yahweh made it clear in the First Covenant that ALL the Appointed Times/Holy Convocations were to be observed.

        Some of the Jewish feasts, such as The Feast of the Tabernacle, required animal sacrifice. If a Christian is to perform these to the letter, as you seem to be suggesting, how does one successfully participate? Surely your response, then, would be that the blood of Jesus fulfills these requirements. I am in agreement with this. However, is the Christian to believe that only the animal sacrifice is a spiritual symbol of matters that were to come, and not the rest of the requirements?

      17. Steven,

        Your last comment shows that you haven’t studied the Lord’s Feasts. Feast of Tabernacles (or Booths) does NOT require animal sacrifice.

        Passover DID, but there are no longer animal sacrifices. Yeshua was the final sacrifice. But Orthodox Jews would LIKE to continue with animal sacrifices, and will when the 3rd temple is constructed.

        If you have been watching, you know that they have everything ready to go INTO the temple, including the 5′ gold Menorah. All they are waiting on is for the opportunity and for God to pave the way, which He will very soon.

        Again, the Feasts and Sabbaths are NOT Jewish in origin. Yahweh created them at creation – before Adam! Before there were Hebrews or Jews! They are for ALL mankind who love Him. It has been an error in teaching and one only needs to read and study Genesis to understand that.

        So once again, if you think that Feast of Tabernacles has animal sacrifices, please get a book about the Lord’s Feasts and study it.

        And, FYI, Yeshua was conceived during Hanukkah – Festival of Lights (He is the Light of the World.) He was born during the Feast of Tabernacles (Study the timeline!) because God wanted to tabernacle with His people, and MOST likely was born in a Sukkah (booth constructed to celebrate the Festival). Christmas is a Catholic mass for the dead and totally Pagan, just as Easter is a Pagan celebration of the birth of the goddess Ishtar. These are facts that Christians need to understand. “The Church” has long been grieving Elohim!

      18. Steven,

        The very best I’ve found is Feasts of the Lord, by Pastor Mark Biltz. There are others, but that one is the best I’ve seen. It’s available on Amazon. I have it with an accompanied workbook, which is wonderful for group study. He also has a website – El Shaddai Ministries.

        Another excellent source is “Ask Dr. Brown.” Dr. Michael Brown has a website and a radio show on Christian radio and is Messianic Jew. He pretty much covers any and all subjects.

      19. Dorrie,

        When I go to church on Sunday, or on Friday, or on Thursday and Tuesday it’s to praise mt Lord Jesus Christ and since everytime I have called to him and he’s answered, I guess it is okay then that I go to church anytime to glorify our King.

      20. Todd,
        You don’t understand that there are TWO kingdoms. One is spiritual & invisible: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:21. It is called the “kingdom of God” because God is also invisible and spiritual – and being in this kingdom has nothing to do with physical things like eating food: “For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.” Romans 14:17.
        Now the contrast to that is the kingdom of heaven which is named after “heaven” a physical place that we would call the universe – it does have to do with eating food: “many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 8:11. “But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.” Micah 4:4.
        The kingdom that is physical has a throne and it is in Jerusalem and it is real and will be imposed by physical force on the world by the return of Jesus Christ to rule and reign as King of kings and Lord of lords. That is the Jewish kingdom that was promised to David’s seed. It was rejected by the Jews when the had the first opportunity in the days when John the baptist and Jesus preached to them “saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” Matt. 3:2; 4:17. If the Jews had accepted Christ, then they would have had both the spiritual kingdom (within them) and the physical kingdom (Jesus as King).
        But now is the Church age and the spiritual kingdom is preached by the gospel of Jesus Christ so that true believers trust in him and get saved from every nation.
        But the Roman Catholic popes try to impose a physical kingdom by sponsoring Crusades and Inquisitions to kill people – thus they show their inability to know the difference between the two kingdoms.
        Right now the physical world is not saved and we have to resort to things like self-defence and jails and medicine and lawsuits and so-forth. This is because all people are not saved, the devil still runs the physical kingdoms of the world – but only temporarily (and only by the permission of Jesus Christ, who is now at God’s right hand – but hasn’t yet evicted the devil).

      21. Hi Mack
        Matthew’s gospel refers to the kingdom as the “kingdom of heaven,while Luke’s gospel refers to it as the Kingdom of God.
        Why would one writer be different form another. I have meditated on this from time to time to determine if actually what you say is correct . There being two kingdoms that is. A spiritual
        And physical. I have concluded that they are one in the same

      22. Todd,

        Things that are different are NOT the same. The people who think God and heaven are one and the same are heretical pantheists.

        But Jesus said, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24. But heaven was made by God and is physical: “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” Genesis 1:1.

        The reason why kingdom of heaven and kingdom of God appear to be interchangeable during the Lord’s earthly ministry (such as Matthew 4:17 & Mark 1:15) is that with Jesus Christ both the kingdoms are present.

        But similarities between the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of God don’t make them the same thing. Cats and dogs are similar in many ways, but a cat is not a dog, and vice versa.

        What is spiritual must be received by the spiritual man because, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” 1 Cor. 15:50.

        Contrast that with the Jews, who are flesh and blood, and they do inherit the kingdom of heaven: “For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.” Isaiah 66:22.

        But the spiritual kingdom is established first by the preaching of the gospel in this church age: “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3. “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” Luke 17:21.

        When the spiritual kingdom takes over the physical and makes it God’s kingdom will be the day when Jesus Christ returns:
        “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.” Rev. 11:15. and “And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.” Daniel 7:27

        And, “The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” Jeremiah 10:11.

        The failure to differentiate between these two kingdoms creates bad doctrine.

        – Mack

      23. Mack
        Your explanation of the two kingdoms is excellent. I guess the point I have been trying to make is that the kingdom that is here is the spiritual kingdom. The kingdom of God. In the Lord’s Prayer as it is called, Jesus says”Our father who is in heaven”
        Meaning , God who is in heaven. Then he says thy kingdom come. Thy means God. Gods kingdom come. The kingdom of God come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven. As I meditate on that, God’s
        Kingdom has come to earth as he wanted. This ultimately happened through his son. This is why I say the kingdom is here.
        One cannot enter the kingdom of heaven if he first does not enter the kingdom pf God. As in the lease of the rich man in Matt. 19:23,24 when Jesus says”I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven.24.again I tell you it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. If this is accurate translation then to enter the kingdom of Heaven which comes after death one must first enter in to the spiritual kingdom of God which is here. We are in the world but not of it because we belong to another world so to speak. God’s world that exists here
        As his will was for that to happen. I must agree with you that there are two kingdoms. The kingdom and dominion and the greatness of the kingdom has been given to the people of the saints of the most high as you quoted from Rev. And it also says that this is everlasting. The kingdom Of God is here and those that belong to this kingdom will be in the kingdom of heaven when they leave this earth. That’s the way I sweet it.

    1. Gloria,

      I’m sure Yahweh knows your name, but I’m also sure He wonders why you ignore His Sabbaths. While I don’t doubt you love Him, don’t you want to show Him how much by keeping His 4th Commandment?? After all, it isn’t a suggestion, and you probably take the other 9 very seriously. Have you ever wondered why keeping the Sabbath holy is as important to Him as not murdering or stealing, etc.??

      1. Dear Dorrie

        Shalom, and love in Yeshua

        I keep the Sabbath on Tuesdays. Is there a place in heaven for me?

      2. ivarfjeld,

        Yahweh’s Sabbath is on the 7th day of the week. A place in heaven is between you and Yahweh, but you can’t change His holy days, they are His Covenant between His children and Himself. To even suggest that you can re-name what He has named is sheer ignorance and apostasy.

        I wish you teshuva

      3. Dear Dorrie.

        Shalom, and love in Yeshua.

        Do you want to rest from 6.pm on Friday to 6.pm on Saturday, God bless you. You do nothing wrong.

        When I have worked for six days, I should rest on the 7nt.

        Every fire department officer, do need to rest. But when a house burn on Friday evening, he should surely do as Yeshua the Messiah taught us.

        I would do good work. After that, I would rest.

        Man is not there to please Sabbath keeping religious Jews, and those who proclaim righteousness by observing the law. The Sabbath is there for men.

      4. ivarfjeld,

        No, you cannot choose the days you have to be on duty, I agree, but you can STILL keep the Sabbath holy to Yahweh.

        And, FYI, Sabbaths and the Lord’s Feasts were created BEFORE mankind, they were not created for Jews alone, they were created for all who love Yahweh. Read Genesis for the timeline of creation.l

        God’s Law/Torah is written on our hearts, we either follow Him and keep His Torah, or we don’t have Him in our hearts. Yeshua lived and taught Torah and is the Living Torah. Do we walk in His footsteps and learn and observe Torah, or do we go our own way and the way of the world?

        Christianity has westernized the Bible and cherry picked, calling the Lord’s Feasts and Sabbaths only for “religious Jews.” Don’t you find that really sad???

      5. Dorrie,

        You are missing the point. We should praise Jesus 7 days a week. But because you choose not to do it on the Sabbath, does not mean you’ll be with Christ in heaven and I won’t. Like I explained before Jesus has answered me in any day I have called to him.

      6. Gloria,

        You seem to be thinking that I take scripture in a legalistic manner. I do not. Yes, we should want to praise Him all the time, but that is not the same as keeping His Sabbath holy.

        By keeping Sabbath holy, we are not to do all the usual things we do the rest of the week, such as work or housekeeping, etc. For instance, I don’t even make my bed on Sabbath and I plan as much joyful activities as possible. I also use part of the day to study Torah and learn more about Him. It’s a day entirely set apart to be different and holy to Yahweh.

      7. Dorrie,

        On Sabbath I do my bed and wash the dishes, and visit my mom at the nursing home and more importantly praise Jesus. Glory to him Always!

  3. Dorrie

    I wrote earlier to Gloria that I attend a baptist church in the US. A southern Baptist church. I have nothing to do with JW’s. Revelation 1:9 says this, “I, John , your brother and companion in the tribulation,(what tribulation? Could it be the one that Jesus prophesied of in his Olivet discourse or is it some other tribulation?) and the kingdom, (what kingdom? Is their some other kingdom that John was in) and the patient endurance. That are ours in Jesus Christ. The tribulation,the kingdom and the patient endurance that are his and his companions through Jesus Christ. John said he was patiently enduring the tribulation in the kingdom. Do you have another understanding of that. If anyone does let me know.

    1. Todd,

      Not sure what you’re asking. And I was asking the question about JW’s of Steven.

      Please rephrase your question and ask again. Sometimes it takes me awhile to focus in on something. (I’m old) 😉

    2. Dorrie
      Jesus also said that his kingdom was not of this world. So if his kingdom is not of this world then what is his kingdom of. Could it be that his kingdom is a spiritual kingdom. John the apostle said we are in the world but not of this world. So if we are in it but not of it, then what is it that we are of? Is their another world because Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. Could it be a spiritual world. Everyone is so bent on believing that his kingdom is an earthly kingdom. My bent of belief is that its a spiritual kingdom and its here. I believe what Jesus said. If it will make you feel better let’s say its here and now and then and there.If his kingdom is not here then what is it that we belong too

      1. Todd,

        When we made the decision to accept the payment of our sins that Yeshua made the one-time sacrifice for as the Passover Lamb, we belong in Yahweh’s family. (Yeshua is the vine and we are the branches.)

        There IS a heavenly kingdom, of which we will be a part, but not right now. And Yeshua will set up an earthly kingdom for 1,000 years after Armageddon. We will be part of that kingdom as well.

        Does that help or make sense?

      2. Dorrie
        Bless you my older sister
        Thank you for your replies, and I have and will consider your comments. Keep up the good work

      3. Todd,

        Please check out some books about the Lord’s Feasts – there are many very good ones that are easy to understand and VERY enlightening. Your spirit will be thrilled with the knowledge of what Yahweh shows you!

        Shalom and ahava.

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