Our Lady of China will merge Buddhism with Rome

How many Roman Catholics knows that their church claim “Jesus” appeared as a Chinese? And His “mother” as a Chinese empress.

The Chinese “Messiah” and his mother will tell the Chinese to accept the Pope as their head.

Lets see what the Roaman Catholic website “Catholic culture” write about “Our Lady of China”:

 In April 1900, a force of ten thousand rioters attacked Tong Lu. The soldiers, in senseless rage, started to shoot into the sky.

Then suddenly they fled, frightened, and never came back again. According to the legend, a woman in white appeared above the settlement, and the rioters’ bullets were aimed at her.

When the apparition did not fade, attackers had not even time to reorganize because a strange horseman put them to flight. Soon after they had disappeared beyond the horizon. Father Wu, a Chinese priest, confessed to his flock that he invoked the help of Mary.

A new church was built on the site and Father Wu placed a picture of Our Lady on the main altar. He asked the painter to dress Our Lady in the royal robes of the dowager Empress Tzi-Hsi.

The image of the Blessed Virgin in the royal robes of the pagan Empress, with the Christ Child on her knees, is vivid expression of Chinese tradition.

Source: Catholic Culture.

My comment:

To get the Chinese onboard the Universal One World religion, obviously there must a Roman Catholic Chinese copy of “Jesus”. Our Lady of China is the one and only, who have delivered a “Chinese Messiah”. She her self dressed up as a Chinese empress.

Jesus the Messiah was raised in an Israeli city called Nazareth, born by a Jewish virgin. His step father was a local carpenter. After Jesus ascended into Heaven from Jerusalem, He promised that no one would see Him again, before His second coming. The Holy Spirit became His representative on Earth.

A better display of demonic activity can not be found, than the Roman Catholic claim of a appearances of “Mother and child” as two Chinese.  There is hardly any religious fraud the Vatican is not willing to promote, as long as it contribute to the emergence of a “global church”, that will accept the Pope as their head.

 Revelation 19

 Threefold Hallelujah Over Babylon’s Fall

1After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:

Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
 2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
   who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”

  3 And again they shouted:

The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”

The Pope has approved this falsehood, as recoded by AsiaNews on 16th of May 2008.

  Pope: Prayer to Our Lady of Sheshan
On the Day of Prayer for the Church in China, Benedict XVI asks the “Mother of China and all Asia” to support the faithful, that “they never be afraid to speak of Jesus to the world, and of the world to Jesus”, and “always be credible witnesses to this love, ever clinging to the rock of Peter”.

 Source: AsiaNews.

Here are some more pictures of the Babylonian prostitute, and her false Messiah.

Our Lady of China. A Roman Catholic copy cat, ready to deceive millions.

 Luke 21:8
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

Catholic Chinese art, that make the Mesisah a boy who was rised by an empress in China.
Our Lady of China will lead many Buddhists towards a universal worship of her son as a “god”.
An altar for “Our Lady of China” in Tainan in Taiwan.
A Church who present the Chinese version of the Roman Catholic faith.

Written by Ivar

44 thoughts on “Our Lady of China will merge Buddhism with Rome

    1. Dear Sue.

      Shalom, and thanks for blessing me.

      I felt the divine inspiration. If this article can not open the mind of Roman Catholics, than hardly anything will do. They simply do not want to know, and abide in the truth.

  1. All Christians believe that Mary was a virgin before and at the time of the birth of her son Jesus.

    Is 7:14 The virgin shall be with child, and bear a son, and shall name him Immanuel.

    Mt 1:18-25 Now this is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about. When his mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found with child through the holy Spirit. Joseph her husband, since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly. Such was his intention when, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife into your home. For it is through the holy Spirit that this child has been conceived in her. She will bear a son and you are to name him Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “Behold, the virgin shall be with child and bear a son, and they shall name him Emmanuel,” which means “God is with us.” When Joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus.

    Lk 1:26-27 In the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a town of Galilee called Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man named Joseph, of the house of David, and the virgin’s name was Mary.

    Protestant Reformers

    The great protestant reformers affirmed their belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity:
    German reformer Martin Luther’s (1483-1546) writings often address the subject of Mary: On the Divine Motherhood of Mary, he wrote In this work whereby she was made the Mother of God, so many and such great good things were given her that no one can grasp them. … Not only was Mary the mother of him who is born [in Bethlehem], but of him who, before the world, was eternally born of the Father, from a Mother in time and at the same time man and God. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 7, p. 572.) Luther, true to Catholic tradition, wrote on the Virginity of Mary: It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v.11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.) The French reformer John Calvin (1509-1564) also held that Mary was the Mother of God It cannot be denied that God in choosing and destining Mary to be the Mother of his Son, granted her the highest honor. … Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God. (Calvini Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Braunschweig-Berlin, 1863-1900, v. 45, p. 348, 35.) On the perpetual virginity of Mary, “Calvin routinely brushes aside the difficulties sometimes raised from “first born” and “brothers of the Lord.”” (O’Carroll, M., 1983, Theotokos, M Glazier, Inc.: Wilmington, DE, p. 94.) The Swiss reformer, Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), wrote, on the divine motherhood of Mary: It was given to her what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 6, I, p. 639.) On the perpetual virginity of Mary, Zwingli wrote, I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424.) In another place Zwingli professed I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary …; Christ … was born of a most undefiled Virgin. (Stakemeier, E. in De Mariologia et Oecumenismo, Balic, K., ed., Rome, 1962, p. 456.) The more the honor and love for Christ grows among men, the more esteem and honor for Mary grows, for she brought forth for us so great, but so compassionate a Lord and Redeemer. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, pp. 427-428.)

    Take an objective approach to Scripture and History!! Not Subjective like you all do to your own desire and wants!

    1. Dear Terry.


      What was the purpose of your comment?

      You did submit some papal stuff, but did not comment on the story….Funny…

      Was Jesus a Chinese? May be both you and the Pope needs to take a deeper look at the pictures. Are they blurred?

      Jesus told His students: Are you really so dull? Let me add: What kind of lies are you NOT willing to swallow? Are there absolutely no limits to the fraud you are willing to support?

      1. Ivar, I’m curious, do you think that all the European paintings of Jesus as a European are fraudulent? How about the ones that show him as black?

      2. Dear John.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus

        You wrote:

        Ivar, I’m curious, do you think that all the European paintings of Jesus as a European are fraudulent? How about the ones that show him as black?

        My comment:

        “Jesus of Rome” is a pale white Italian, with long hair and blue eyes. Who said the Messiah would look like this? Whatever colors, I am sure. He was not both black and white. Catholicism is at best a confused religious movement, claiming that “Jesus” and his mother changed colors. Like some kind of chameleons in the shape of humans. Truly occult figures.

    2. Mary was never the MOTHER OF GOD. Mary was the mother of the Body Prepared for God when God came into this world at the baptism.

      Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

      John 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
      And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

    3. Garbage. The Bible ALONE is THE Final Authority. Mary had other children. No indication from Scripture otherwise. That is Babylonian paganism, pure and simple.

      (Matthew 13:55[KJV])
      Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

      (Mark 6:3[KJV])
      Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

      (Galatians 1:19 [KJV])
      But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord’s brother.

      1. St. Isidore & other early Christians refuted arguments against the perpetual virginity of Mary as early a the 2nd century AD. The Greek word “brothers” can also mean “cousins”, the word “until” in the Greek were ti says “Joseph did not lie with her until” would sound bizarre at various other Bible passages if used in the modern English Sense. Read Perpetual Virginity of Mary on Wikipedia for the details and please respond.

      2. St. Isidore & other early Christians refuted arguments against the perpetual virginity of Mary as early as the 2nd century AD. The Greekw word for brother also means cousin, in the verse “Joseph did not lie with her until”, the Greek word for until would have bizzare meanings if used in the modern English sense in variouss Biblical verses. Read Perpetual virginity of Mary on Wikipedia & please reply.

  2. I used to be a devout Catholic, saying rosaries and petitioning Mary for one thing or another

    as an ex-Catholic, I give God all the credit for opening my eyes to the marian deception

    we know there is only one real enemy – satan – and he is perfectly willing to appear as an angel of light or as the mother of God, the mother of all nations, our lady of China, etc…

    1. Baptism leaves an indelible, irremovable mark on one’s soul. Nothing can take that away.

      You can be prevented from receiving Sacraments. Priests can have their faculties removed. But make no mistake; once you’re Baptized you’re baptized. Confirmation is also permanent and cannot be revoked. If you leave the Church, you’re still Catholic. All you (in theory) need to do is hit the Confessional.

      Luther was still Catholic. Those crazy folks who want birth control loosened or same-sex “marriage”? They’re still Catholic. Disobedient, lapsed, or rebellious….but still Catholic.

      Essentially; you’re either practicing or you’re not. But you’re still Catholic*.

      1. Dear Michael.

        Shalom, and thanks for all kinds of comments:

        You wrote:

        Luther was still Catholic. Those crazy folks who want birth control loosened or same-sex “marriage”? They’re still Catholic. Disobedient, lapsed, or rebellious….but still Catholic.

        My comment:

        What is it about Catholic priests, that makes them able to keep people in spiritual bondage towards them, regardless what kind of stupidity the Catholic priests have done, or do?

        Is there some magic spices in the water, inside the Church?

        Baptism of an infant can neither save the priest, nor the infant. Only by accepting Jesus as Lord (the very boss) of you life, you can be saved. Faith comes by hearing the gospel. Not by sprinkling of water on a baby.

        With your logic the rabid Jew-hater named Adolf Hitler was still a Roman Catholic. What a glorious magic the Roman Catholic priests did to him, in His infant baptism. 60 million people had to die during World War to to get rid of this man, and other Roman Catholics who supported Him. In fact, the Nazis got 36 per cent of the votes in the German elections in 1932.

        Hitler was also confirmed as a Roman Catholic. That kind of pagan “priestly eternal blessings”, did not stop Der Fuhrer from slaughtering six million Jews in gas chambers during the Holocaust.

        I am not sure if this kind of activities made Hitler a “practicing Catholic”. But He kept on going to Church, and attend mas. So I guess He had everything that needed to be called a faithful Papist.

      2. Bible verses to support this? THought not.
        There are zero sacraments in the Bible (the Final Word), and Baptism is by immersion ONLY for BELIEVERS only, never babies.

        (Mark 1:9-10JV])
        And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
        And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:

        (Acts 8:36-39JV])
        And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
        And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
        And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

    2. Its sad that satan has deceived you in not accepting Mary as your mother. She is our spiritual mother! and if you were a true Catholic before then you would have known that our mama is our intercessor to Jesus.

      1. Lara,

        Please tell me wher in the Holy Word of God does it say we should accept her as out mother, spiritual or otherwise?

        Do you not know that if you keep praising Mary as you would God, you are headed down the wide road of hell?

        Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

  3. Its a Marian Title and Image of a Patron……….DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!! You are worst than the Media that blow information out of proportion and even twist information!!!

    Marian titles come from either locations of her apparitions (Our Lady of Fatima), her qualities (Our Lady of Good Counsel), or locations of miracles, churches, shrines, or images dedicated to her (Notre-Dame du Cap, Notre-Dame du Paris, Our Lady in the Thorns).
    In Medieval Europe from 8-15th century (and perhaps outside that time-place specific), it was common to refer to a Marian icon by either what wood it was made of, or where it first appeared, for example, Our Lady of the Dry Tree, Our Lady in the Oak, Our Lady in the Lime Tree. So, at this point, it is unclear to me whether the artists of these images saw Mary in apparition, or if the picture itself appeared miraculously, or if the artist was just inspired (in the usual sense of the word) to paint Mary, and he used the wood in question as the thing to paint on.

    And also for your information Buddhism and Christian faith cannot mix or merge………….totally different religion, theology, and ideaolgy!!! You Sir are a very Anti-Catholic and Papal person!!! Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!

    1. Dear Terry.


      I am not an anti-Catholic. I love the Catholics enough, to tell them the truth. Not many Christians are willing to do that. For hundreds of years, men like me would have been beheaded by Papal soldiers. Today the Pope has less Worldly powers, so my head might remain on my shoulders.

      The Vatican has changed its strategy. In stead of trying to kill all spirit filled Christians, the Roman priesthood tries to intermingle. They want to bring all Churches back to Rome.

      Also those who never saw “Our Lady in the Oak”, nor Our Lady behind the Cat. I wounder if you have heard about her?

      1. Ivarfjeld, you did not respond convincingly to Terry. It is true that Mary and the Lord appear to people in very different and personal ways. The Lord appeared on Earth as Jesus. He was sent to a location that would most benefit from the Word. The Lord could have given Jesus any appearance, but he sensibly chose an appearance that would suit the location. Would not the Lord also chose an appropriate appearance if he was to appear in another land? It seems obvious.

      2. Dear James


        You wrote:

        The Lord could have given Jesus any appearance.

        My comment:

        “Your lord” might have done so. Because he does not obey the scriptures.

        My God, The God of Israel, can not break the scriptures. He can not lie. He is the Word, that became flesh.

        God of Israel has chosen a country, that is His. His dwelling place was in the two temples in Jerusalem, the city of David the great Jewish King. The Son of God came to Zion, as the prophets had foretold. He will not come back to Earth, before His second coming. He will come back to the same place, where He ascended into Heaven. To the mount of Olives in Jerusalem.

        Your “lord” is the father of all lies. You have made Satan your master. You promote all his falsehood, and present it as the truth. In the end you will get what you deserve. You will spend eternity with your “lord” and that will be the eternal flames of Hell.

        You can still repent. Repent or perish. It is your choice.

      3. Shalom ivarfjeld,
        You enjoy quoting the scriptures. Yet you attack the same Church that assembled and preserved the Bible (Scriptures). Which version do you use? The original Scriptures used the Greek (Jewish) Old Testament throughout the Empire. The Dead Sea scrolls verify the versions. This was the mainstay of the majority of the Jewish faith, until the Jewish faith codified their scripture in reaction to Christianity with a new Hebrew version. Even the oldest New Testament Scriptures surviving are in Greek. If you were a true biblical scholar, you would know that there is no original manuscripts to be found. Even the Jewish Scriptures only have a copy written in around 1000 A.D., which was the source for the KJV.
        The Catholic Church’s position on the Bible is that the original Scripture is divinely inspired, but no one has the first editions. So the Bible, we have is the best version. Even Biblical Protestant scholars know that the New Testament changes with each fragment we find of older manuscripts. A commission decides what is included in the Scriptures as the best fit.
        All the main precepts of your faith were advanced by the Church in the West and the East (Orthodox), through Councils, not by individuals like Martin Luther, who became a political pawn of the German princes for power grabs. Henry the VIII wanted divorce, etc.
        We Catholics know our history, we realize that unfortunately there were Popes, who committed wrongs. This is no different than Peter denying Christ, but the Pope is not the Church alone. He is the Leader, like Peter, subject to human faults, this does not mean that the Church is in error. Only in matters of faith does the Papacy hold supreme and usually that is in Church Council.
        You speak of heads rolling, I can speak of more rolling caused by Protestant leaders. This was not religion, this was politics using religion.
        You can use Biblical quotes, so can I to counter all that you say.
        Be thankful to the Church that you even have a Bible. They were painstakingly copied by hand by many monks over many years to produce ONE copy.
        Regarding Mary, Christ honored his Mother. At the marriage feast of Cana and at the Cross, she was in his mind. If she was good enough for Jesus, she is good enough for me.
        Mary of China, Mary and Jesus can appear in any racial, ethnic look or style. Usually to make them easily recognizable to the people. Most of the time, icons or pictures are artist renditions of what they wanted to see.
        Enough time spent. Have a nice day.

    2. Actually, Terry, that is untrue. Buddhism and Christianity have been mixing in Asia for some time. It is certain that God is angry over the mixing of the two but that doesn’t seem to deter those who are interested in combining all the faiths of the world into one. In any case, Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion because it does not concern itself with a “god”. Buddhists are more apt to worship their ancestors than they are a supreme being of any sort. The biggest obstacle in mixing the two religions is the matter of reincarnation. Hebrews 9:27 says, “It is appointed to man once to die, and then the judgment.” But if the RCC can get people to buy a Chinese Jesus, they can get them to buy the notion of reincarnation. The RCC has departed more and more from the Bible over the centuries. Catholics will believe whatever the RCC tells them to believe. The official Chinese Church is apostate already anyway. But there are estimates that 100 million or more of the Chinese are REAL Biblical Christians who meet in secretive house churches. True Christians may all have to meet in secretive house churches, eventually, once the one-world-religion/Whore of Babylon begins “her” bloody persecution of the true saints. Think it can’t happen? 70,000,000 Christians have been martyred for their faith over the last 20 centuries of the Church Age/Age of Grace. And the persecution is growing. Over 100,000 were martyred in the last year for which there are records. Another one million are at risk—mostly in Muslim countries but Communist countries hold the recent record for the most deaths. Stalin killed at least 20,000,000 Christians in the USSR.

  4. I agree wih Terry, Michael and James.

    And to the writer Ivar, I do not agree with your views, sorry.

    When I look at the Catholic Church, it is to her Saints and the lives they lead that give me a conviction that the Catholic Church is indeed the true Church the Lord Jesus has gifted us, and the Pope, the Holy Father is one loving testament to this gift.

    You can say many blah-blah-blahs to this because we are all humans and our Lord in expressing Himself uses humanity with all her frailness and imperfections. But still humanity shines through to the Saints in the Catholic Church.

    1. Dear Nenasan


      You write:

      And to the writer Ivar, I do not agree with your views, sorry.

      My reply:

      I do not mind any man disagreeing with me. I only seek approval from Heaven.

      The Pope, you and whosoever can continue to serve the “god” of your liking. I will continue to sever God of the Bible. His words are my highest and final authority. The Son of God is not an invention of men. He is the eternal rock of Israel, the promised Messiah, the savior of all who obey Him, and waiting for His return. Amen.

  5. I appreciate your post. I am a traditional Catholic. The images you have here ARE NOT the original and authentic image of Our Lady of China that Pope Pius XI promulgated and blessed in 1928. The original image is VERY different. You may read about it at the following link. While our conclusions may be the same in some respects, I do differ with your analysis. The current authority in the Catholic Church does seem to want to “smoosh” the world’s religions together in order to make one world religion. In spite of what modern Catholics think, Our Lady appears only as she is. Pope Pius XI understood that. The image for the mosaic IS a blending of Buddhism and Catholicism and it is not valid. If you look at authentic statues of Our Lady of Akita in Japan, you will see that She does NOT look Japanese (accept maybe for her eyebrows.) Do your homework about it—the Catholic Church post-VII is one wicked organization.

  6. Hi TradCatholic,

    Please read the messages from Our Lady of Nations apparitions in the Netherlands and Medjugorie. Both of them state that all religions are acceptable by God and it is is wrong to differentiate between them.

    All of them say you must suffer so that others will be saved. Jesus already paid the price. There is nothing anyone can do to add to His perfect work.

    To believe that Mary is omnipotent and omnipresent..able to read hearts and answer prayers are attributes to God alone.

    Please do more research and come back.

    1. I’ll read the Bible. I never listen to dead people. God prohibits divination. And, being saved, I am a saint AND a priest, according to God’s Word. Could care less what the R.C.C. teaches. So could God. Saints are on earth, Born-again Christians. Not dead people to be spoken to.

      (Luke 16:22 [KJV])
      And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
      And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
      And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
      But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
      And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

      We do not need to talk to anyone but Jesus. ONLY Jesus.

      (1 Timothy 2:5 [KJV])
      For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

      (Hebrews 6:10 [KJV])
      For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

      (Hebrews 13:24 [KJV])
      Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

      (1 Peter 2:5 [KJV])
      Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

      (1 Peter 2:9 [KJV])
      But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

      (Revelation 1:6 [KJV])
      And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

      (Revelation 5:10 [KJV])
      And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

      1. so why was the rich man talking to Abraham if he should not have been talking to dead people asking for help. This was Jesus’ story in the Bible and he has people talking to dead prophets???

      2. Read the 4 verses before that timothy verse. It says for us to make intercessions. & Jesus spoke with the dead before the transfiguration.

  7. Dear Trad. Catholic,

    You may be pre-Vatican 2, and think you are on the right ship. But you are on a ship to no where. You believe the current Pope is an anti-pope. I know the story.

    Listen, Whether pre or post, you are in a church that is following a man who claims to be Christ’s substitute on earth. Jesus left the Holy Spirit, not a man who claims to be infallible. This is blasphemy.

    I pray you can break free of chains that bind you. I’m sorry I re-read your post and see that you do agree with Ivar about one world religion. But, Trad. Catholic, it is the same church..the same church that killed during the Inquisition is the same church you are in even though you think you are in a separate church. Come out of her and be set free.

  8. Dear protestant men of goodwill:
    Tranfigured bodies can take on any form that God allows, and God can do anything and everything He chooses. The Incarnation was spectacular enough, not in appearance but in reality of opening the Gates of Heaven to us sinners. The Roman Catholic Mass represents the One Time Holy and Bloody Sacrifice of Our Savior Jesus Christ on Calvary in a timeless unbloody manner for each and every individual and culture. Christ told us that if we do not eat His Body and drink His Blood we shall not have Life in us, and Catholic Transubstantiation is bread and wine in appearance while substantially the Body and Blood of Jesus, in REALITY.

    Thus appearances are for the material eyes and reality for the inner eyes of the heart of goodwill, as the Angels pointed out to the shepherds in Bethlehem: peace to men of goodwill. If God deigned to perform so many miraculous phenomena as these, and also His Resurrection from the dead, as well as Roman Catholic Stigmata granted by God to some chosen souls and bodies down through the ages of mankind, then any apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary can be likewise geared by the Almighty One, to speak of the REALITY behind the appearances/and Our Lady was assumed body and soul into Heaven at her dormition, who had been born without Original Sin on account of her Divine Son’s Death on the Cross of Obedience to the Father’s Will, with the Merits applied backward in time to produce a fresh new Eve for the new Adam.

    Missionaries always inculturated, and yours still do this when they get to know their people, even to translating Holy Scripture into pagan tongues for the presentation of Universal Reality. Missionaries returned pagan deities and pagan errors to the TRUTH prefigured within their ancient HISTORY, all of which began in the Garden of Eden, followed by expulsion due to disobedience and hiding through guilt, then by contrition and repentance, at last by the inheritance of concupiscence by the progeny of the first couple: sin brought ignorance, sickness, death and wars to the world.

    The more humanity spread, the more it forgot its former TRUE KNOWLEDGE. The Catholic Church inculturates, because her Master sent out His disciples to present the REALITY behind the appearances of cultural differences to the whole world. Our Blessed Mother is now the Emperess of the Universe and the Mother of the Church/”behold your Mother, John…” She is “our tainted nature’s solitary boast”/Milton, the one without whose FREE YES, no one would have reached Eternal Bliss, since the Incarnation of the New Adam would have been impossible in the Way the Lord designed for the human race/and there is ONLY ONE RACE as genetic science is proving for us at present.

    When Mary was sent to the Aztec and Inca Indians in 1531 at Guadalupe, she appeared as a Mexican figure of a pregnant daughter of a King, to draw the attention and effect the swift mass conversion of this waywardly religious civilization back to the TRUE GOD. Man must of needs worship some idol if he rejects or forgets the True God.

    This appearance of a transfigured body under different forms, as the Angels were sent to humans also, is a MYSTERY of the LOVE OF OUR CREATOR, REDEEMER and SANCTIFIER/CONSOLER: the Holy Trinity /One God of Christians. Are you protesting ones not boxing God into your own limited rejection of the UNIVERSAL CATHOLIC CHURCH and its UNITY IN ESSENTIALS WITHIN THE DIVERSITY OF EXPRESSIONS?

    Virginia Ruta Udrys

  9. A book, well worth reading, about the history of people speaking about the errors of Rome is Martyrs Mirror. It can be read online here,


    This didn’t begin with the era called the Protestant Reformation. A quote about people from the 1100’s,

    The doctrines with which they were charged, consisted of the following points (from Abr. Mellinus,* 2d book, fol. 440), “That their belief concerning the sacraments, of baptism and the Supper, as well as respecting marriage, was different from what had been decreed by the Roman church, whom they called the whore of Babylon, because she had forsaken the true faith in Christ; they said that she was like the barren fig-tree which our Lord Jesus Christ cursed. . They also said that the pope and the bishops must not be obeyed when they command anything that is contrary to the Word of God; also, that monachism was a stinking carrion, also, that all monastic vows are vain and useless, yea, that they foster lasciviousness; also, that all the orders .and degrees of the priestly dignity are marks of the great beast; also, that purgatory, masses, church consecrations, worship of the saints, anniversaries for the dead, etc., are genuine inventions of the devil.”, “These,” says Mellinus,”were about the principal articles which the fathers of the Oxford council could not brook, and on account of which they scourged and banished them out of their country, yea, let them freeze to death.”

    Ever since the times of the Apostles the true church of Christ has existed alongside the development and formation of popery and the RCC. There is a lot of info covering the popes and the people who spoke out against what they saw developing, from 400 AD to the 1600’s. A lot of material is from papist writers themselves and we should be thankful some truthful history still remains.

  10. Here is a quote about an Albert of Gaul who live around 700 AD. It looks like people have known for quite a while that something was wrong in Rome.

    Enlightened by the heavenly radiance of the doctrine of the apostles, Albert, with voice and pen, had again and again reproved the errors, and superstitions of the Roman church, asserting, namely, that priests or teachers should not be prohibited from marrying; that the relics, or bones, of the saints ought not to be venerated; that images should not be worshiped or saluted as a religious service, and that the pope has no right to the primacy (or supremacy) over the church. He condemned the masses for the dead, purgatory, etc., as [human] inventions. Wicelius adds: He rejected as unnecessary and superstitious, ceremonies, the imposition of hands, the making the sign of the cross, confirmation, etc., and, in short, all such things as are practiced in popery for the purpose of confirming infant baptism.

    1. Can’t find anything about this Albert of Gaul character… Are you sure he has not been made up???

      I Google searched him and the only site that had anything about thi Albert of Gaul character is this very site.

      Seems made up to me 🙂

  11. Love you in Jesus Ivar it takes a man with patients to be able to read the deception these people are into….. Oh well it’s the signs of the times

  12. The Catholic Church is the Bride of Christ. Christ owns the world, all cultures are of His goodness, all holidays and celebrations fall under his sway, the Holy Spirit is the Alpha & Omega of all Knowledge. Yes, Jesus was there before King David, before Adam, the 1st man. Let it be known, that Jesus has honored his Bride, the Catholic Church, what the Church rules through the Holy Spirit, will be law for all humans to follow. Note also the True Arch of the Covenant is Jesus chosen and most Holy Woman who was born without sin. I pity the man that would criticize the Holy Spirit and Jesus by criticizing His most excellent choice as Bride and Mother. You need to adopt more humility and put away your worship of ‘written Gnostic like knowledge’ and rejoice that God can be so generous as to make the Catholic Church His Holy and Sanctified Bride. Turn back from your evil and proud ways and bow down before the Lord now and beg for your forgiveness. The Lord loves the humble of heart, you will not be sorry if you do in fact deny yourself and put God and His Holy Church first, over your pride of what you think you know about sacred scripture. You are obviously mistaken and harmful in promoting your ignorance and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

  13. Very annoying article. So malicious. How can any define faith of others ?? Faith is very personal issue. Stigmatizing some group is only way you fell relieved. I have my own faith and I ignore these article. It is none of your business. It is my and our own faith. Don’t buy any mineral resources from Asia, then you will be declined. We have much weapon including nks now. Don’t look here. Please don’t come to Asia even for travel. Don’t take any picture in our territory. We don’t want to go to your place because it’s very cold and nothing. Blonde hair people (wotan and dwarf) are also not descensdants of the ancient Israel.

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