As a Christian and believer in Jesus Christ, exposing false teachings are a necessity, so that others may come to know the true God of the Bible, not one who is distorted with false lies. False teacher, Arnold Murray is has lied numerous times, and twisted the Word of God to suit his deception. Let’s take a look at what Arnold Murray teaches.
1. Arnold believes in the serpent seed lie, where allegedly Cain was born of Eve and Satan.
My Comment: To read more on this lying teaching exposed, one can CLICK HERE. It is an article I wrote exposing this lie for what it is, an attempt to deceive. GOD proves this wrong in several verses with one of them being this:
Genesis 4: Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth, a man.” 2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel.
2. Murray does not believe in the Trinity (God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit). When asked why, he said: “You have these yo-yo’s that will say, ‘Well I want you to think like of water (sic) and ice’ and so on, various gases or so forth, or then they’ll say, ‘I want you to think of a 200 watt bulb, and a 150 watt bulb, and a 50 watt bulb.’ Well, they’re all the same wattage, friend. So why not just simplify it instead of playing stupid games, and understand there are three offices of the Godhead. Like this little lady said. She said, ‘To my husband I am a wife, to my children I am a mother, that’s my office. To hundreds of third graders I am their teacher and have been down through the years. That’s a different office; none of them the same, but I’m still the same person.’ I like that. It’s simple and to the point.”
My Comment: If you deny that God, Jesus, and Christ are one, then you are not believing in Christ entirely, and it simply puts your soul in jeopardy. There is no plainer way to say it.
Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Now this is extremely, important because God, Our King, Our Messiah specifically states this here:
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
This is utterly important, because he says here: you will die in your sins. So what right does Arnold Murray and others have to distort God’s word? Absolutely none.
3. Arnold believes that we were created in the first age, where we existed in the form of soul bodies.
My Comment: There is absolutely no Bible verse that support’s this lie. Absolutely None. For God created us in the very beginning, and God tells us not to add to his Word. In Genesis 1, we know that God created man and woman in His Image, and we also know:
Genesis 1:1-3 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
See? Absolutely no proof of Arnold claim, so he’s lying completely. And God warns us never to add to his word.
Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
4. The Shepherd Chapel denies the existence of the rapture.
My Comment: Now I have met Christians (Jesus Christ and His Word Believing Christians) who do not believe in the rapture. That is fine, because we are all saved by the Blood of Jesus Christ and our salvation does not hinder on us believing in the rapture. The problem with Arnold is that he thinks it does. He states that those who believe in the rapture, will be deceived into worshipping the antichrist. Arnold has stated that 95% of the churches who believe in the rapture, will accept the antichrist as their savior.
That Arnold is a liar is evident, and the Word of God proves him as one. Nowhere in the Word of God does it even hint Arnold’s lies are correct. For Jesus Christ himself tells us how we can/are saved:
Romans 10:9-10If you use your mouth to say, “Jesus is Lord,” and if you believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved. We believe with our hearts, and so we are made right with God. And we use our mouths to say that we believe, and so we are saved.
Amen Jesus! Amen!
Written by Gloria
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If we r not supposed to add or remove why use the word trinity that’s not in the Bible either .shalom
Des,
Though the actual word “trinity” is not in the Bible, there are verses that tell us, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are One.
Since trinity means three: Matthew 28:19 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
Here is another one that is very telling: 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verse 1 thru 11 verse 3 says let no man deceive yoy by any means for that day shall not come except there come a fallen away first and that the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
It’s says that day shall not come until satan is revealed
2 Thessalonians chapter 2:10-11
Do you have a strong delusion? Rapture big fat lie the bible clearly says before anybody goes back to Christ Satan will be revealed also 2 advents rapture makes 3
Pastor Murray said they are one as well. He said it is sacreligious to EVER say there is more than one God.
Pastor Murray was NOT a false teacher. BUT Jesus said that anyone who teaches the true word of God would be persecuted. The only thing false are the accusations against Pastor Murray. But most people stick to traditions on men and so called “Churches” For your information Pastor Murray said in no uncertain terms that the three are one and that it is wrong to ever say there are three Gods . Also in 1 John it makes it clear that Cain is Satans son. “Not as Cain who was of that evil one” Thats why Cain isn’t listed in Adams geneology in Genesis! The only thing false is this website and your unfounded accusations! Looks like you are the false one exposed!
How about proving your point using only the Torah? Using your own created document to prove your own point shows the weakness of the argument.
The word Godhead is in the Bible. That is the Trinity.
Amdy, Thank you. I know many verses and forget where they are. But for others, read the entire chapter, do not jump around and put them together as you see fit. Ezekiel 20:13. God hates those that preach flying away to save their souls
As Christians we are here to teach not run from problems.
Gloria
I listened to Arnold Murray for a
while, until things started to not
add up. Unlike many people that
claim to check behind him and are
mesmerized by his “chapter by
chapter and verse by verse” claim,
I follow Acts 17:11 and check
behind every teacher. A lot of this
stuff doesn’t add up that he’s
teaching and his followers refuse to
pick up a Bible. Here are some
examples of what I mean:
1. He claims that Adam and Eve
had sex with Satan in the garden.
The Bible says Adam wasn’t
deceived, which means he was
intentionally engaging in
homosexuality. When I researched
this, it’s nowhere to be found in
the Bible and second it comes
from the Targum of Pseudo (false)
Jonathan. He is teaching it as
scripture and it’s not.
2. He teaches a twisted version of
reincarnation called “Earth Ages”.
He teaches that we lived in a 1st
Earth Age and some of us fought
against Satan as angels, but again, I
can’t find this in the Bible.
3. He claims that the Rapture is
not in the Bible, but he also claims
that the Antichrist’s message is
going to be, “I’ve come to Rapture
you away.” Either it’s in the Bible
in reference to the AC, in which
case he’s lying about saying it’s not
there. If it’s not in the Bible, he’s
lying about the Bible saying it’s
going to be the AC’s message. It
can’t work both ways.
4. He always tells people to use a
Strong’s Concordance, so I decided
to check behind him with a
Strong’s and I’ve noticed that
whenever he fails to provide a
Strong’s Number, things are not
really as he claims. 1 Thessalonians
4:17 is a perfect example. He gives
the definition of “pneuma”, but the
Greek word used is “aer” which
has a completely different
definition. Another example from
the same verse, he claims that
clouds means “a great cloud of
witness” (nephos in Greek), but the
actual word used is “nephele”
which refers to actual clouds.
There are many more examples,
such as lying about what the
Rapture teaches. Claiming there is
only one version of the rapture
teaching. Claiming that only 7,000
angels are going to come with
Satan. Soul Annihilation…
Has anyone else ran across Arnold
Murray ?
Hi tiva82,
You asked,
“Has anyone else ran across Arnold Murray ?”
I lived in Arkansas for a couple years and heard Murray on the radio. I believe he is based in Gravette Arkansas. He sounded strange to me so after a few times I wrote him off. If a person reads Genesis, chapters 3 and 4, I don’t see how you could come up with the Eve having sex with Satan. Sometimes people and churches say things, or do things, and wind up painting themselves in a corner with no way out, without making a mess and admitting wrong. Not being able to admit being wrong is a sign of pride and a lack of meekness.
Dave
One of the several false doctrines
of the Shepherd’s Chapel is the
teaching that all people had an
existence prior to being here on
earth in what is called the first
earth age. This aligns with the “gap
theory” which tries to make the
Bible conform to evolution versus
it truly being created in six 24
hour days just as Genesis, in its
plainest reading says. These
theories are what attacks the
foundation of the Bible and causes
it to lose its authority not only in
the secular world, but with
professing Christians as well. The
Shepherd’s Chapel teaches that we
were created in the first earth age,
a time before the fall, where we
existed in the form of soul bodies.
The problem with this is that there
is no Biblical support for this
position. In fact, the Bible
contradicts this soul-body idea.
Hi tiva82
You wrote,
“The problem with this is that there is no Biblical support for this position.”
The sad part is that not having “Biblical support” doesn’t seem to bother many people.
Very sad indeed.
I’m trying to be a Christian and I’m learning and study the Bible like god says you should. First of all none of you that are judging is a Christian in my book because god also teaches us not to. Dr Arnold Murray knows the Bible very well. Instead of pointing fingers don’t it teach to talk with the person you are accusing of being wrong with a few elders and backing your opinion up with more than a couple of verses in the Bible. And may only went through the Bible a couple of times and I e never claimed to know it all but to the people out there that think the Holy Ghost and Jesus is God. Then you clearly need help. When Jesus was on the cross and he said Father please forgive them for they know not what they do. Who was he talking to? His self. There is only one God our Father For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son. And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved son; in thee I am well pleased. Nobody’s perfect. But study and understand every word and all the meaning. And please I hope you don’t think the Bible was talking about real unicorns to do you? Lol
Good for you! Amen!
Read 2 peter and you will find your biblical proof
Scott, I have read enough of your false conceptions on our Father’s Word. You sow discourse among fellow Christians. You are ignorant. Instead of attacking dead men that can’t defend themselves, (one of whom you know nothing about) why don’t you study so you don’t look like such a fool with a judgemental, jealous heart? You think your knowledge supercedes many truths. You are a liar. A character assassin. A FALSE TEACHER. I pity your blackened, warped soul. Find something constructive to do before God tires from you misleading his children. I PRAY THE BLOOD OF JESUS THAT YOU GET BEHIND US SATAN! Enough said, Viper
This article is from Satan himself , Put here by one of his followers, to try to lead people away from the Truth. Don’t be deceived
There are many who follow false gospel ,because they read false bibles ,they do not relize that Satan was involved in the altering of there versions eg:the NKJV removes the word LORD 66 times the word GOD 51 times and the word HEAVEN 50 times ,overall it removes 2.289 words from the NEW TESTOMENT alone and makes 100,000 word changes to the whole Bible reduceing it to a book just like these others NIV ,RSV or NASB .etc ……..,Only the KJV is the breathed WORD of GOD ,…a simple hour of research will explain the huge differance, after all the two men responsible for changing the word of GOD. { Westcott and Hort } where commissioned by the roman catholic cult and beleived in Darwism and thought Mary equal to JESUS etc, The Roman catholic cult has always sought to reduce our bible to a book ,heres a direct quote from a jesuit meeting in Cheri Italy in 1825 ……” Then the bible ,that serpant which with head errect and eyes flashing,threatens us with its venom,while it trails along the ground ,shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it …for three centuries past this cruel asp has left us no repose, you well know with what folds it entwines us and with what fangs it gnaws us “…… it would apear{ “these men” ? } have allmost got there wish given all these corrupt/deceitfull versions of the bible out there !
The NKJV is the King James version without the thee, thou, yea, and etc. Their is no one truly inspired translation. No one ‘needs’ a particular translation to understand the gospel. People who live in countries and ethnicities without a written language need to hear the gospel. A translation is a translation and that is that. The pure Word of God is Christ. Not the King James version. John 1:1.
People need Jesus Christ. Not some guying calling them an idiot, and the like. And making up scripture interpretations verse by verse. There is Biblical applications of men like Arnold Murray all throughout, and I like to think of him as like the Simon the socrerer who was in Samaria. Acts 8:9-25. I was introduced to Arnold Murray when I visited my mother last month (Jan 2014) and found out the minister died this month, February 2014.
I knew he was trouble from the get go.
Are you Anglican? If you are, the KJV is fine since it professes the divine right of kings. If you’re a Protestant, the Geneva Bible is the standard.
his a lier if you need truth look at islam
First, it’s spelled; he’s a liar, not “his a lier” (do a quick search). If you follow islam the same lazy way, then NO WONDER you’re stuck in the wicked lunacy of islam; allah and muhammad. The muslim religion is just as wicked and false as Arnold Murray’s fanatical false teaching! Even if English is not your first language you can spell words right if you try. Do you try and read the koran? Have you studied it for yourself, in depth, to notice all the contradictions and bold lies? Your religion does have a sect that is “peaceful” but if it came down to protecting a Christian or Jewish person who has done nothing but to be Jew and to love Jesus, you would allow them to be brutally murdered. What about that is appealing to you? I understand you people believe there is hell, and that is a place waiting for all who reject the Gift of what Jesus did at the Cross…! We all have free will, so THINK, and ask Jesus to help you see His Truth and not a lie.
If you don’t repent of satan’s religion; islam, then you will end up in hell for eternity. There is only one God, one Way and one Truth and that is Jesus Christ and Him Crucified! The Holy Christian Bible testifies of itself, and does not need to lie, deceive with hatred, murder, and suicide etc. You obviously have a computer, DO YOUR RESEARCH before it’s too late for you. You muslim’s are coming out of the woodwork like termites, but you will be exterminated, but NOT through hatred, murder and suicide like the muslim religion loves so much, but through the Hand of my Mighty King, Jesus! The Christian faith in Jesus will prevail and we will have one more outpouring of the Holy Spirit before our Lord comes and takes us home. I sure hope you join us to be with our Lord. I righteously hate your religion because it hates my King, Jesus Christ!
Who hates Jesus? Hmmm? Satan does with a fierceness because satan knows Jesus brings LIBERTY! There is FREEDOM in Jesus!
There is bondage, suicide, hatred, killing, murder, darkness, darkness, darkness, and wickedness in the muslim religion! Religion kills because it can’t stand the Light of Jesus and those who follow Jesus, and those who brought the Christian Bible into this dark world, but we will continue to let our light shine in this dark world, and allah, muhammad or any darkness from hell can’t stop us! Christians are waking up and we know how to worship our King and we know how to call on the name of Jesus!!! Jesus, Jesus, Jesus! What a POWERFUL name! HE IS COMING, HE IS COMING, OUR KING IS COMING SOON! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE OUR GOD, FOR HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THE WORLD!!!
He was not a liar. It’s all in there.
There is one very important point you’ve left out. Whenever Pastor Murray Commented on things that weren’t written in God’s word. He would clearly state that it was food for thought. I have also studied God’s word a bit and find most of your comments unfounded and offensive. Some people who read this are influenced by your statements. Do any of you own a Strong’s concordance? It’s apparent that you need one to do some of your own work. Pastor Murray was a good man. Shame on all of you for your unfounded and twisted statements. Pastor Murray doesn’t need my defense, but you surely need God’s. Put down your Good News Bible and start reading the word God intended for you. None of you know enough to make such comments. Take the log out of your own eyes before looking for the stick in others.
I agree Howard. We must remember that most of these people do not have eyes to see, or ears to hear.
God alone gives us knowledge and understanding of his Word. Gloria has not done her homework or studied enough
to know what she is stating.
I never new a better teacher 10 years ago I spent 3 years trying to find something wrong with this guy everything he said was in there I was tired of money grabbing tongues speaking false teachers all the tv preachers are under investigation for becoming millionaires with poor peoples money
I agree with you. My pastor I grew up with is the most Biblically knowledgeable person I have ever met. He endorses pastor Murray. There may be a few of his teachings where he disagrees with an interpretation or 2, but nothing that is a great false teaching or a detriment to hear. Anytime I see condemnations like these, I remember verses telling us about judging the soul of another. It seems the person posting this article is doing just that. I do not see a format consistent with the Bible, so I am skeptical of the heart of Gloria. I stop short of judging though, lest I be a hypocrite. So often, I find that when people attack like this it is more indicative of protecting something that may not be correct in their own beliefs. I find the that promoting skepticism that we get to be whisked away ahead of tribulation disturbs people terribly even though it is not a requirement to be saved. I speculate this is because they are not prepared and have been depending on getting to fly away to survive the last days with their soul intact.
Good Afternoon Landon,
You said: Anytime I see condemnations like these, I remember verses telling us about judging the soul of another. It seems the person posting this article is doing just that. I do not see a format consistent with the Bible, so I am skeptical of the heart of Gloria. I stop short of judging though, lest I be a hypocrite. So often, I find that when people attack like this it is more indicative of protecting something that may not be correct in their own beliefs.
My reply: Taking someone’s words, and comparing them to the Word of God is not judging someone. Would you rather sit there and do nothing when someone is speaking what is against God’s Word?
You can be skeptical of my heart. Only God knows it.
But Jesus did say: 2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
God Bless,
Gloria
Yes he was, Mr Dean and I learned alot from Pastor Murray. But anyone who teaches truth will be persecuted. As Jesus said ” No servant is greater than his master. God Bless You Mr. Dean
Dear Amanda,
I pray The Blood of Jesus & cry out Hallelujah! If you want the truth yiu shall find it. If it hurts, it’s one of two things. Incorrect, or scary due to lack of Faith & Discipline. May God bless you & keep you.
Seems that pastor Murray’s teachings goes over many people’s heads and what they don’t understand they fear and hate. As pastor Murray would say don’t n’t judge but discern. Pastor Murray studied far and beyond scriptures that weren’t included in the KJ bible and that’s what makes him a knowledgeable scholar/teacher. Pastor Murray is not misinterpreting FATHERS word but sharing his knowledge with you – take it or leave it – don’t judge lest you be judged on judgement day. God gave me the gift of understanding His Word. It all makes sense and comes together. Thank you Pastor Murray and rest in peace.
Thank You Howard Dean! Yes Pastor Murray was a good man who taught the true word of God. These people on here are just happy with Traditions of Men and have nothing better to do than to slander a good man.
I too have listened to Pastor Arnold Murray…it’s been for over fifteen years. There have been times when I really didn’t know what God was saying in some of His verses…but re-read it, also reading the scriptures ‘before,’ and ‘after’ a scripture. It all comes to light as Pastor Murray teaches, as I would contine to read through the chapters that Pastor Arnold Murray – which helped me very much and .I am still learning. We all do mistakes, but I have not run into Pastor Arnold’s explanations yet. Stick to learning God’s Word through Pastor Murray and his son. I believe they truly teach Gods’ Word. God bless you! Pam..You can best find me on face book, as I do not check my email..
I meant to say that I have not run into any of Pastor Murray’s mistakes yet…he tells it like it is. Again, you can reach me on face book under Pamela Hamel Mccaffery
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Very helpful blog if you are stuck in Arnold Murray’s teachings.
The reason I defend him isn’t because I’m stuck in any teachings other than the truth. I respect the fact that you all disagree with some of his teachings. I disagree with a little of all of mans words. That doesn’t give me the right to judge. Only God The Father has that right. Throughout life, whenever I’ve needed to come back to God, he has reached out to me in many ways that weren’t meant to be permanent relationships with the vehicle he chose for that time. The Shephard’s Chapel was one of those relationships. I have the gift of discernment. I’ve also have led a life in need of much forgiveness. Therefore, I forgive. Any teachings Pastor Murray may be wrong about, are between him and God. I Know what my differences are, but the good things are what I needed. I won’t go into my take on the Word of God. From the comments I’ve read, I would be chastised. You all are responsible to familiarize yourselves with even the enemies knowledge so that you can not be misled. None of you have even scratched the surface. I’m sorry if that offends you. My God bless you with love and lift your vails completely. Don’t fight each other. Gently correct and spread his word. There will be plenty to fight soon enough.
Howard Dean,
you said: “That doesn’t give me the right to judge. Only God The Father has that right.”
Do you even know what to “judge” means? It means forming an opinion or conclusion. Now, since Murray’s actual arguments are false because they contradict the Bible, we can then “form a conclusion” that he is a false teacher! The article here is not judging Murray without solid evidence!! In fact, it is ONLY wrong to judge others if you do it by “mere appearances”; but if we do judge, we should do it righteously (John 7:24) As true Christians, we have the duty to rebuke and correct AND judge RIGHTEOUSLY so our brothers and sisters won’t be led astray! (see also 2 Timothy 4:2; Luke 17:3)
Now I turn the other cheek. Yes, I do know what judge means. You are the ones that like to twist his word for your own edification. You are insulting. You are poor teachers. Anger is a fear based response. What are you afraid of? I see that I’ve entered the realm of the ignorant. Fight with each other. I have no time for that. You probably even believe in the rapture. Only the weak would think they don’t need to pick up the sword in the end. I’ve run into puffer fish like you in every church and in every discussion about God’s word that I’ve had. Give it a rest Antonio. Challenge someone unknowing that will continue your banter. It’s people like you that we are warned about. Like I said, you haven’t even scratched the surface. You pick your verses individually to suit your needs instead of taking the Word in its entire meaning. If you don’t know that you have no right to judge, then you have no business going public with your so called wisdom. I’m not luke warm, Antonio. Don’t attack me with your exclaimed sentences and lone Bible verses. You are clueless. I doubt you even know what turn the other cheek means. Sounds like your one of those people that are angry about being a sixth day creation instead of an eighth day creation. I’m sorry that I’ve wasted any of this time with you. I hope you find peace.
Very nicely written Howard Dean. We should all be HELPING ONE ANOTHER instead of fighting with each other , that is what the evil one wants ! God CALLS ALL OF US TO HELP & to LOVE ONE ANOTHER , not to chastise & condemn them bc none of us live in glass houses . The only time we are called to judge someone is when they are teaching the Word, or are PROCLAIMED Christians & we are NOT TO COMDEMN THEM OR SPEAK WRONG ON THEM , we are to only judge for OUR OWNSELVES if what they are teaching or how they are acting is the true ways of the Lord & we should listen & follow their teachings & their ways, OR if it is not the TRUE WAY OF THE LORD then we are to not follow them & we are to gently & lovingly attempt to help them see their way back to the Lord – not gossip about them or condemn them – we are supposed to be JESUS FOLLOWERS , people that FOLLOW THE GREAT LORDS TEACHINGS & actually live by them and walk by them. We are NOT supposed to GOSSIP on others & that’s exactly what most of this blog is doing! God bless us ALL … keep reading The Bible & keep learning our Fathers ways & continue practicing to be the way or Father has taught us to be. In Jesus’ name AMEN, God bless .
Hello Howard,
You said: I respect the fact that you all disagree with some of his teachings. I disagree with a little of all of mans words. That doesn’t give me the right to judge.
My comment: There is one Bible verse that stands out to me when I read your words.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
When I wrote the article above a while ago, it is with all honor going to Jesus for allowing me to discern what Arnold Murray teaches goes against the Word of God.
God Bless.
Hi Gloria! That was perfect to my eyes and ears. Probably the only single Bible verse that completely supports itself in this case of discernment and exactly what I’m trying to say. Much love and respect to you. May God bless you as well.
Wow. I stand corrected. I read what Gloria wrote again myself. You are all way off base. This just isn’t a place for me. Gloria needs to read that verse again. Nowhere does it tell you to judge him and discount him completely. Please don’t respond for my sake. I Won’t be wasting any more time here.
Howard: Your replies only exposes the kind of person you are, and so I sincerely hope and pray that someday soon, before its too late, you will find the path to our true God, and that He remove the hardness in your heart and the scales in your eyes so you can see the way. God bless you Gloria for rebuking and judging righteously!
As for you, Antonio. Read what Gloria wrote again. Ask God to lift your vail completely. I believe there is prejudice and hurt in your heart that’s impairing your ability to see some truths that are helpful. My comments do show what kind of person I am. I’m good with that. I don’t like to argue the Word. I do like to discuss it with a calm level head. Bring it down a notch when writing people you don’t know. Writing words leaves room for interpretation of the emotions being put forth. I’m sorry if I’ve hurt your feelings. Just trying to open some of you up. There is no reason to hate Pastor Murray nor ALL of his teachings. Gloria said it best. May God bless you always. Honestly, the whole “Exposing Pastor Murray” thing has me a bit angry. The word “expose” is too intense for what we should be doing here. He wasn’t always wrong, and at times, was very helpful. If you want to “expose” someone, let’s start with Joel Olsteen and go from there. Lol!
Howard, So it is ok to expose Joel Olsteen, but not Arnold Murray?
I’m turning the other cheek with you, Gabriel. Pastor Murray isn’t even here to defend himself. It really doesn’t bother me that you are too ignorant for truth. Go on making up what you need to in order to feel good. It won’t change your destiny. Please stop bothering me with your unintelligent rhetoric. I don’t need the stupidity. I don’t argue with stupid people, Gabriel. You drag me down to your level and beat me with experience. Save it for someone who likes it in the hamster wheel. You don’t know enough about God’s word to be able to argue, defend or criticize. Just be happy with the other people who enjoy this meaningless exchange of babel you call knowledge and stop dragging me down to argue. I’m over and done with this waste of time. Find someone as ignorant as you are in order to keep it even
Mr. Murray’s version of the bible is curiously like that of Archie Bunker’s. Could Archie Bunker be right?
Wow first of all. You people calling Pastor Murray a liar are waaaay out of line and wrong. Eve did HAVE SEX with Satan. The word beguiled means seduced. Also Cain is not mentioned in Adam’s line. Why? Because he is not Adam’s son. Satan tricked Eve. Adam’s sin was greater because God told him himself not to eat from that ‘tree’. Jesus was to be born through their bloodline. She also had Abel. So we have twins, different fathers. There is a first earth age. If you read the very first lines of your Bible, you will see that the word form means to lie waste. Destroy. So God destroyed the Earth before he created mankind, flesh. So why would he have to destroy it? Start researching people. I have known this waaaaay before I ever heard of Arnold Murray. He is a good, honest man. He also tells you NEVER to just accept someones word without researching first. I realize this is an older post but it’s sad to see people demonizing him. The Bible is written in a way that only those who want the truth will find it. Rapture is a false teaching also. His elect are to stay on Earth and be persecuted and help others. Says that right in your Bible. He wouldn’t take us away from the end. We are staying till Jesus comes to collect his people. When he comes, we will be in our spirit bodies. No more flesh.First Earth Age was destroyed in the flood. Read Ezekiel 31. In it, God compares Pharoah to Satan in the first earth age.
Right on Dee…. This is an outrage by these half wits that do not know how to study the True word of God… They are an Abomination and any person with half a brain can figure this out without complication….. Common sense and proof of the Word of God through the manuscripts will prove this post Wrong… Calling Pastor Arnold Murray a Liar (which in my sight was a Great Prophet of God) can only bring you Death and despair in the works of Satan…. Good Luck with your proving Pastor Murray being a Liar when God comes for us in the End of Times.. I will wait for his coming and you will have already taken up with the First one who comes….. Good Luck with the AntiChrist….
Arnold Murray was an asshole. You sir are brainwashed.
Daniel Minshall that doesn’t sound very Godly at all . How can you proclaim to know the Bible so well yet one of the biggest parts of being a Christian & following Jesus is to LOVE EACHOTHER & to help one another ! Instead of condemningly saying , “ I will wait for his coming and you will already have taken up with the First one who comes….. Good luck with the AntiChrist…..” MAYBE you should instead speak more purely & of heart & speak the true to the teachings of our King Jesus !!! Do you for one second believe that Jesus Christ would have EVER even THOUGHT about saying anything like that to anyone ??? No He would not ! We are told that when we give our hearts to Jesus and we are Baptized that OUR OLD SELF IS DEAD , and our NEW SELF IS TO FOLLOW THE WAYS OF JESUS AND BECOME MORE & more like Him. So you talking like that to a fellow brother / sister in Christ is just heartbreaking to me. I pray that you seek the Lords wisdom & seek a true & pure heart. I will pray for you all . Thank you , God bless you all 🙏🏼
PASTOR ARNOLD MURRAY WAS A PROPHET???????!!!!!!! THIS DUMBDOWNED SOCIETY THINKS ANY AND EVERY OTHER PERSON IS A PROPHET!!!!!!!??????? ARNOLD MURRAY WAS NOT A PASTOR FOR MY GOD!!!!!!! OH, I GUARANTEE HE KNOWS THE TRUTH NOW???????!!!!!!! HE WAS NOT OF ISRAEL, SO HE CANNOT BE A PASTOR!!!!!!! ONLY IN THIS BACKWARDS WORLD, HE WAS A PASTOR TO HIS KIND!!!!!!!
Pastor Arnold Murray was one of the most honorable and amazing teachers of the Bible. He brought me closer to God like never befote. He will be missed here on earth but he is now Heaven with Jesus. We’ll done Pastor Murray for your great teaching of God’s word.
Amen Robin, I guess people who dont like pastor Murray is bc he tells it like it is, so I know if he was here he would tell all those people to KHA!!!Forgive me but I’m offended by all these blasphemers who hates pastor Murray…I know if he was here you guys would be all shot by his 38 special Smith & Wesson snubnose, just saying
Amen!
I think the entire argument put forth is one of interpretation, not lying. If you don’t like his interpretation, don’t listen to it, surely what you’ve written here is a judgement. And we all know that it’s not right to judge, that’s Gods work.
Genesis (all in one sentence) 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. The term “knew” is used as a sexual act between the married man and wife, which at that one particular time caused conception of egg and sperm, which generates life WITH a soul. Eve even acknowledges that the LORD allowed her to have that male child. She knows he is the CREATOR and the giver of life. I do not see how this verse relates Eve to having sex with Satan and conceiving as Satan is an angelic being and never given power to procreate. Genesis 4:17 says the same thing only about Cain and his wife. So are we to just think that every time the text says someone “knew” and “conceived” that the wife had sex with Satan? That seems a bit bizarre. Satan IS an angel and angels NEVER marry or are given in marriage (Matt 22:30). God tells Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply (Gen. 1:28). God tells Noah and his sons to be fruitful and multiply (Gen. 9:1), so where does it say that God told Satan to be fruitful and multiply???? Where would the chromosomes come from that are needed to form a baby in the womb? From health and science you should know that a baby gets half of his chromosomes from his mother and half from his father. Angels DO NOT HAVE that physical aspect of their being. This is not like MYTHOLOGY class where things are “made-up” to explain or put a twist on the existence of beings. We are talking about HUMAN beings and Angelic beings. Humans HAVE NOT CHANGED in their physical make-up (DNA) since Adam and Eve were made on the 6th day. HUMANS DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH ANGELS. As for the “soul” existence before the Earth was formed, READ YOUR BIBLE!! Everything that WAS created, was done so in 6 days and then God WAS FINISHED!!! Read Genesis 2:1-4 He created everything that was EVER to be created in those 6 days and then He was FINISHED, DONE, !! This means everything. The heavens meant the sky, place of dwelling of the angels, angels themselves, anything that had to do with heaven. The Earth was, of course, all that pertains of the Earth and the way it is held in space. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:2 The earth was without form, and (became) void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Became is not in some Bibles, but is worth analyzing it. The waters covered the whole earth and had to be separated, making an empty space (a void) of air in which the living creatures and plants can be created upon. The waters that became part of the air are STILL there. We NEED to have some kind of humidity in the air in order to breathe, or our skin, lungs, etc. would shrivel up and not be able to function. Our precipitation also comes from the “sky” in our weather. We NEED water. We NEED Living Water (Jesus). Do not let far fetched stories that make the Bible seem too complicated to understand undermine the whole reason the BIBLE is still in existence today. Do not let fancy talk of you not knowing Greek or Hebrew make you dependent upon one man’s interpretation. You do not need his interpretationt!! One can read the Bible and be convicted of their sins which is the step to accepting Christ as the Savior, Messiah, Redeemer. Do not dwell long on those sexual, homosexual stories or “shocking facts you might not know that are not really in the Bible” that keep you from the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Its ALL about Christ. Do you have a personal relationship with Him? If not, seek Him. Ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Repent of your sins. Accept Him as your Lord and Savior. Tomorrow might be too late for you.
look up the book of Enoch,there’s much about relations between the angels and humans.
How did falling angels pregnate Adams daughter. Do the math
My Bible (KJV) does not have the book of Enoch. Is it a book claiming to be the inspired word of God?
The book of Enoch is not in the KJV It is considered to have been written by Enoch the 7th from Adam it is not part of the canonical apocrpha Enoch was the great grandfather of Noah.Enoch is mentioned in Jude;1-14-15.in relation to the Angels not having relations with humans as you quoted it is mentioned in Gen;6-4,you can also look up the book of Enoch on wiki or look up the Nephillium both explain about Enoch and his prophecies etc
Thank you, Gloria! Well done. When I first heard some of Arnold’s teachings being conveyed around the dinner table, three of us frowned. Later that night, the pages of my Bible almost turned themselves — first with Genesis 4:1 practically jumping out at me. Never heard of Arnold Murray before, but when some of his doctrines were being conveyed as truth, flags flew up. Two points:
1) One’s ability to articulate themselves to sway the masses doesn’t make them right. 1933 Germany proves that.
2) One doesn’t have to study all the false doctrines out there if you read and study the Bible (almost all versions say the same thing thought for thought). Let God speak plainly to you through His whole Word and when someone comes along, trying to “dazzle” you with new (or reused) false doctrine, you’ll know.
“If an arch-angel from heaven were to come, and were to start giving me, telling me, teaching me, and giving me instruction, I’d ask him for the text. I’d say, ‘Where’s it say that in the Bible? I want to know.’ And I would insist that it was according to the scriptures, because I do not believe in any extra-scriptural teachings, nor any anti-scriptural teachings, or any sub-scriptural teachings. I think we ought to put the emphasis where God puts it, and continue to put it there, and to expound the scriptures, and stay by the scriptures.” – A.W. Tozer
Thanks again, Gloria.
Like Mark Twainf said ..people would rather remain being fooled, than to admit they have been fooled” the words of the bible are clear…not to add on …. And not to make up interpretation …. Narrow is the way…
A false shepard
I Believe that everyone should look for verses in the bible to backup what any one is preaching. Pastor Murray even teaches this. He may or may not be wrong on some of the views discussed here, but that does not make him a false teacher! He is not teaching to go against the commandments or Jesus teachings. Again he claims to look up verses in the bible to make sure every preacher is teaching the truth. A false teacher sways one away from the truth to go against God. The Bible is not an easy interpretation and I am not an expert on interpreting it like some teachers who do it for a living and have years and years of schooling. Whether or not he is completely correct on his views on some of the bible may or may not be completely correct, but he teachings as a whole are with the Word of God.
Anyone who teaches British Israelism teaches a false doctrine and Shepherd’s Chapel teaches British Israelism . And any Pastor who makes his money by attacking churches that teach salvation can’t be trusted. Shepherd’s Chapel gets their followers by teaching speculation theology and if you listen closely your going to realize Shepherd’s Chapel is not Christ Centerd. Their a cult who glorify a dead Pastor instead of Jesus Christ
Can’t say how many times I’ve heard “judge not” that is coming from people who don’t want the word of God to correct their error, especially when they follow false teachers. The Bible clearly says that we are to judge. In Matthew 24, Jesus when asked by the disciples “…Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” Mt. 24:3, and Jesus said, “….Take heed that no man deceive you.” That sounds to me like we are to judge. How can you judge a deceiver? By the Word of God. Jesus said, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” John 7:24. In 1 Corinthians 5 & 6 Paul teaches us how to judge correctly, and also in verses 6:2&3 he said, “Do ye know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judge by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels” how much more things that pertain to this life? In Ephesians 6 we are told to put on our armor. Loins (belt)=truth, breastplate=righteousness, feet=gospel, shield=faith, helmet=salvation, and the sword=spirit (which is the word of God). Good post Gloria!
Dear nannette.
Shalom, and love in Jesus.
Thanks for this comment. Not to “judge” means in the biblical sense, not to issue the “final judgement”. That is why Jesus come into the world to save it. Not to judge it. During His first comming in the flesh. All who have not understood the gospel or have accepted a false gospel, will deny the correct application of this biblical word.
EVERYONE wll have to be able to judge between right and wrong. Everyday of our life. If we can not discern false teachers, we will be taken astray into apostasy, and will eventually be on the wrong side of the final judgement.
I would like to know if we lived in a first earth age why don’t we remember any of it at all?
Once I listen to Arnold Murray talking about the difference between demons and angels. He said “demons don’t have wings but angels do. ” Another time I was listening to him talk about angels again and he said, “Angels don’t have have wings. ”
So, which is it? Do they have wings or not?
Pay very close to his teaching because he often contradict himself.
Another example, he’ll tell you we have the freedom to choose to follow God or Satan. Then he said you can’t trade your soul to the devil because God owns it. That’s contradictory because he’s implying that we don’t have freedom to choose that we have no choice but to follow God. If you look at the people in the world you can say we have freedom to choose. I love God, but I don’t agree with Murray on most of his teachings.
I’ve read all your statements. And I’m not mentioning the fellow by name who seems to go over an on on. Pastor Murray has explained the bible and Gods word to my liking no other could. He says through out his teachings to always question it if it dont make sense then investigate it. You people are great. But the one fellow is way out ot of line. And Eve was most certainly tempted by Satan and received his seed in Cain. Able was Adams seed. Come on people.. Arnold Murray is a remarkable in his ability to teach Gods word… There is no need to argue. The facts lead us all to the same place God Bless
Who are you to sit back and play God and call people who are doing Gods work false or liars!!!😡😡😡😡😡😡
Listen when I tell you TEN PEOPLE READ ONE VERSE YOULL GET TEN DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS !
Unless your Hod Himself then don’t you dare critique people just trying to do what God asks to spread HIS word!
My poor kid works for a longtime shepards chapel member. This lady is TWISTED. She is aggressive about her beliefs. I’m not sure how she feels about jews, because she wears a Star of David . Her business is named a Hebrew word which means I love Jesus or something. She is in the business of vanity. She performs Brazilian waxes on her clients. So, her shop is named after Jesus, she takes money from her clients, performing Brazilian waxes on people, all in Jesus’ name. Jesus is offended. These people do not live in accordance to the Divine Laws set down by Him, His Son, or His Spirit. They are of the devil. Stay away from them…. Better yet, run!
I was never a fan of the late Arnold Murray, pastor of Shepherd’s Chapel. However, as a student of Christian History, it can easily be shown that the relationship of the Father to the Son in the Athanasian View of the Trinity is a composite of the early view of the Trinity as believed by early Christians Tertullian, Cyprian, and Pope Calixtus, a contemporaries of Sabellius. Early Trinitarians beloeved the Father and the Son were of like substance, not the same substance, and Sabellius was condemned for teaching the Father and the Son were of the same substance, making them one person, so the Father and Son (and Holy Spirit) are one person. Athanasius taught that the Father and Son were of the Same Substance, yet distinct persons, as can be seen in his book On the Incarnation, and in the Creed of Nicaea I. Further, those who held the old view of the Trinity were called Semi-Arian Heretics, since Arius taught that The Father and Son were of different substance, and that the Son was a creature.
Further, early Christians held to Historic Pre-Millennialism, not Dispensationalist Pre-Millennialism. The word Rapture is not even in the Bible. John Darby developed dispensationalism in the 1820s. So, those two accusations against against Arnold Murray are sectarian at best. The word “cult” is not the biblical term to use against those who have a different doctrinal belief. Heterodoxy or heretic is the biblical word.
Some Christians, especially some Fundamentalist Christians in the USA, have difficulty with neighbors who have different beliefs despite the constitutional right of freedom of religion and freedom from religion. No one does God any favors by treating their neighbor unbiblically and by cultic accusations. Besides, by far the largest group of Christians in the world are Roman Catholics, so small independent fundamentalist Christian groups are not really relevant in saying what is heresy and what is orthodoxy. That goes for me, also.
Hello I do not wish to get into a back and forth with anyone or their beliefs.I personally would not like others to argue with me.I am a man of good and bad.We all fall short I am now 54yrs old Ive been a believer in God all of my life.I however have never believed in orginized religion.I still dont for me.I liked as a man of Christ,its all about Him.So throughout the years Ive read the Bible and also read about Christianity across the board from many points of view.Man has proven to corrupt Faith for gains.With that said I have developed my overall beliefs from not only my internal feelings of what seems right,but by treating spirituality and faith as a history lesson much like a school lesson.I have always learned,listened,studied asked questions prayed for wisdom [from the source Ive never had doubt.Everyone else I must verify period that is just my beliefs.So I did study with Dr. Murray and I held him to the same standards and I wont ever say I follow any mans teachings 100%,because I dont Dr Murray and his ministry came as close to my learned and experienced beliefs,that I must defend him.See I found errors in the things I read in your previous statements and not just from Arnold Murrays teachings but from my lifetime of overall seeking.Of course I will be both right and Wrong in my knowledge noone will know it all.I am not passing judgement on you,I dont even know you,I respect you views,Im pleased you doubt question and I hope verify.I would never in my so far 54 years trust any one man including Murray or you.See you will notice I dont or wont question your Faith.But please before you claim to know better than others seemingly by your matter of fact words.Please respect others beliefs and be kind to them.I think do mean well,but what you are declaring as false I found it riddled with falseness and error [to me] Remember Im a man you are a man and Dr Murray is a man we are all alike in our seeking and neither are we always correct,by we should study the Bible seek knowledge from as many sources as possible so we can come as close to wisdom as a man can I leave my ultimate lessons from the Bible and the Best Teachings of all in praying and accepting of God Thank you for reading a different view with an open mind it all anyone can ask I hope I didnt come across from a soapbox,personally I cant stand when it feels that way to be Im just a flawed human so I am not qualified to past judgement to anyone that is Gods Job so continue on my brother and be blessed by our father Jesus Christ Amen.
someone please explaine why Cain isn’t in the geneology of Adam….I’m stuck here….
Cain isn’t in the genealogy of Adam because Adam wasn’t his father. Adam was Abel’s father. Satan was Cain’s father. The “apple”/”forbidden fruit” was sex, not food. Adam fertilized one of Eve’s eggs, & Satan Fertilized the other. Medical fact that this is plausible. Once Cain slew Able, Seth was born from Adam & Eve to carry on Christ’s pure bloodline.
Why are all of you arguing amongst yourselves? Isn’t this what our adversaries want? Divide and conquer. Pure truth will always come from asking our Heavenly Father. Ask for the truth.
God is not saying anything about the first earth age except , it became without form. Father God would of told us,so I’m not going to worry about that..all He said was fruit..He wants us to study to discern.My sister is into this so I have to find out , I’m doing so research on my own. The Holy Spirit is my guide. I don’t know if this is a false teacher yet..he might just be a historian. We have to be led by the Holy Spirit , to many things are just weird. My Daddy God says think on these things..what ever is pure..and of a good report. If He wants us to know something this strange.He would of made it simple. Walk in love seek peace.
the first earth age is mentioned more than you think. 2 Peter talks of the the leviathan and the behemoth . use your strongs concordance to look up foundations. and the greek word catebole. better yet invest in Bullingers companion bible kjv ans the oldest strongs concordance you can find. originally published in 1890. (i personally have an 1890 second edition as well as one from the 1990’s ) without these books you’ll never know how much you dont know. never trust what you hear , only what you read. your preacher at church has told you many lies from that pulpit. read the old stuff forget the new.
I have watched Pastor Murray for several years now and I don’t see what any of you are talking about. Re: the Rapture- It is NOT in the Bible nor is Easter. Re: The Trinity-I have heard him refer to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit MANY TIMES. Re: Adam, Eve, and Cain- I have NEVER heard him say that Adam was deceived and had sex with the Serpent. He does say that Eve did and it makes sense that the first murderer was conceived from Satan.
Agree
I don’t know if he was a false teacher or not. But I’m questioning it now after listening to his teachings for the last year.
I’ve caught him saying a few things that he would speak of blessing Satan. I rewound & would re-listen to it. I blew it off as him being tongue tied, just a slip of the tongue. But this morning I distinctively heard him say “god bless satan” (I’m purposely using a little ‘g’). It’s at the beginning of Episode 827, (2010) Book of Daniel 7:1-7:28 DVD #40116.03.
Would someone please listen to this and be sure I did not hear him wrong. I should have written down the other times I heard mis-speakings. But this one really caught my ear.
This article is from Satan himself , Put here by one of his followers, to try to lead people away from the Truth. Don’t be deceived
Bill,
I can assure you that I serve one God THE ONLY GOD, and that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. I can also assure you that the Word of God is the truth from begging to end.
Satan has already been defeated and will be tossed into the Lake of Fire forever.
As to Arnold Murray, the fact that he believed in the serpent seed lie is disgusting. For mankind was created by God and only God. The devil has been trying for years to eliminate God’s creation and has failed countless times.
The fact that Arnold Murray did not believe in God the father, Christ the son, and the Holy Spirit is quite sad. Because to be in the presence of God for eternity, one needs to believe in all three that are one.
2 Corinthians 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 44:6 “This is what the LORD says— Israel’s King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.
John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
God Bless you Bill. And I truly and sincerely hope that you see the truth, before it’s to late.
Gloria
Dear Gloria.
Shalom and love in Jesus.
I have not studied the life and docrines of Arnold Murray. But thank you for following up on your own article. We need open debates on faith.
Your criticism of Arnold Murray and what he teaches is very ill informed. He teaches extensively from E W Bullinger, a scholar of beyond amazing ability and knowledge. Bullinger a descendant of the reformist Bullinger, dedicated his life to deep study of the scriptures, both the greek and the hebrew. He was fluent in them and was ,as such, one of the few that Dr Christian David Ginsberg trusted to proofread his own Ginsburg Bible undeniably the single greatest translation of the Mesorah . extensive use of the Strongs Concordance for definitions makes the teachings accurate . To view and point out the original manuscripts Murray will use Geens Interlinear. These scholars and books are all from the 19th century and not the 20th century or contemporary times. They are not politically correct as you seem to require, so I doubt you have read them or have them in your library. They are not of this time period , the generation of the fig tree, and therefore do not reflect modern teaching. They are indeed more pure and not at all tainted by PC as we were warned would occur in this time. I’m so sorry you haven’t had the quality of education that students of these great scholars were given.
You are wrong about salvation! Confessing Jesus is a work and there were saved Jews who wouldn’t confess Jesus because they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
Salvation comes from believing 1 Corinthians 15 1-4. That’s the Gospel that saves.
It seems you are a false teacher also.
I’ve been wrong too.
I’m not judging you.
I just want you to see the truth and be saved.