Israel accept the Pope as “the man of peace”

The Israeli ambassador presented the pope with a gold pleated dove with the inscription: “The man of peace is granted with the symbol of peace.”

The Israeli ambassador to the Vatican, accept the Pope as “the man of peace”.

After submitting his letter of credence to Pope Benedict XVI, Israel’s ambassador to Holy See says recent ‘price tag’ attacks on holy Christian sites ‘showcase Israel in negative light’‬‬

Zion Evrony, Israel’s ambassador to the Holy See, the government of the Roman Catholic Church, stressed on Wednesday that the latest attacks on Christian holy sites in Jerusalem are damaging Israel’s public image.

Evrony met Pope Benedict XVI at his summer residence near Rome last Friday, and the two discussed the relations between Israel and the Vatican.

Evrony’s meeting with the pope was a positive one. The ambassador presented the pope with a giftc – a gold pleated dove with the following words inscribed onto it: “The man of peace is granted with the symbol of peace.”

Pope Benedict XVI also asked the ambassador about the health and well-being of President Shimon Peres. He further conveyed his blessing to him and to the people of Israel.

Source: Ynetnews.com

My comment:

One of the sad parts of the end game, is that millions living in Israel will be deceived into accepting the antichrist.  Pressured from all sides, the majority of Jews will accept a compromise for the sake of “peace”.

The secret powers of wickedness is already at work. While the Government of Israel accept the Pope as “a man of peace”, the orthodox Jews persecute their Messianic Jewish brethren.

A better exposure of the antichrist can not be found in our days.  Jews accepting the Pope and his “Christ”, but refusing to accept Yeshua and messianic Jews as His true followers.

Jewish followers of Yeshua have always been mistreated by their own brethren. Just like all Christians who correctly claim that the Pope is an antichrist. The followers of the Messiah has always been persecuted, crippled and killed by those who hate the truth.

 Psalm 69:28
May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

As we approach the end, there will only be two camps. Those who have bowed for the antichrist, and those who have refused.

 Philippians 4:3
Yes, and I ask you, loyal yokefellow, help these women who have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the book of life.

The Bible explains that the last war will be against the Word and the saints. If your name has not been written in the book of life, you will surely worship the beast and its image.

 Revelation 13:8
All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

Welcome to the last days before the arrival of the final antichrist. The bad news is that people in the billions will worship the last man of lawlessness. The good news is that all who waits for the arrival of the Messiah, will be saved.

Stand firm till the end.

Written by Ivar

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98 thoughts on “Israel accept the Pope as “the man of peace”

  1. It’s amazing to be living in a time when Bible prophecies are being fulfilled…on pretty much a daily basis. Jesus said, “l have come in My Father’s Name, and you reject Me. Yet, when another comes in his own name, you will accept him.” (John 5:43). That is exactly what Israel is doing now, with the pope of rome. An exciting time to be a believer in Jesus Christ! And terrible for unbelievers. If there was ever a time to pray for, and reach out to the lost…that time is NOW.

  2. Ant you are so right…yet for His glory we are allowed to see and participate in the prayers for them all as well as for ourselves that we too may stay strong in these times.To God be the Glory in what He has and is doing in all of this! whether it be to Saint or Sinner, Jew or Greek. (Gentile)…there is a scripture of ‘not saying before we know the ‘beginning or the end’…now seems the time we keep an eye on ‘His wonderful handiwork at work in all these things’ the Nations are doing, though they have no clue they are doing His will in this also…(smile) all praise to Jesus !

    1. Quote from follower of Messiah.

      “This reminds me of a saying “The Messiah you are expecting(Jezeus) is not coming and the Messiah that’s coming(YAHUWSHUA) you will not expect. “

      1. Nora where did you pick that rubbish from, remember Israel was blinded for our sake the Gentiles, but they are still Gods people 144000 +of them.Who ever blesses Israel will be blessed and who ever curses them will be cursed.Look around you and see the results.

      2. Andrew – The 144,000 “Israel” is not the “fleshly” nation of Israel people see today. Jesus told them:

        (Matthew 21:43) . . .This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.

        (Hebrews 8:9) not according to the covenant that I made with their forefathers in [the] day of my taking hold of their hand to bring them forth out of the land of Egypt, because they did not continue in my covenant, so that I stopped caring for them,’ says Jehovah.”

        Do not look to the place on the map called, “Israel” for they are NOT producing righteous fruit.

        ~~~~~~~~~~
        This new “nation” is one which produces good “fruits” :

        (Matthew 7:16-20) . . .By their fruits YOU will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? 17 Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; 18 a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. 19 Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Really, then, by their fruits YOU will recognize those [men].

        (-:

  3. Paul preached about the “other Yeshua” the difference between one or the other is: My Yeshua paid it ALL…the Catholic believe they have to work for some of the forgiveness of there sins. My Yeshua was talking about the rock, meaning HIM, while the catholic decided the church was built on Peter. and After that the jWord says…call no one FATHER but ME , the veil was splint so we can go to HIM …and never thru some man who thinks diferently. The Pope told the top muslim Iman..we serve the same god…
    I do not serve their god…I just don’t know other than brainwashing why the scripture speak clearing about everything and even tells us it is better to believe G-d than man…..but they follow the vain imaginations of men…Another warning that not many heed is Gen 12:3..but there are many that warn…yet so many thot themselves so smart and became fools and will loose their very soul..Our true Messiah is coming…time is short. Shalom INstead of thinking we are bashing any church my prayer is they wake up and see it as a loving warning that NO one will ever replace the Jews..IT is a everlasting Covenant. If they think G-d is a Covenant breaker , then maybe they should worry about their Salvation..How anyone cannot love the Jews is beyond me who have given us Salvation and blessed the whole world …

    1. PS The Jews did not give us Salvation, that was God and his Son Jesus, who was rejected by the Jews. God did not replace the Jews…he made one new man out of both. This is clear in scripture. Now all who come to saving belief in Christ is true Jew/Israel.

      1. How can the Jews have rejected Jesus? Jesus was Jewish, the first Christians were all Jewish, and there are tons of Jewish believers today.

        “Replacement theology” is from the devil’s doctrines.

    2. The muslims don’t have the “same God”. Not at all. They reject the fact that Jesus Christ is God and that Jesus didn’t die on the cross, so it’s obviously not the “same God”.

      Sort of like, you and I talk about a man named Bob. I say that Bob is a 6 foot tall man with dark hair. You say that Bob is a 5 foot 5 inch man with blond hair. That’s not the same Bob, obviously.

      And catholicism doesn’t have the same Jesus. The “catholic jesus” bows down to the pope and saves only by catholic works. The Bible’s Jesus is God and will never bow down to any pope and only saves by faith in Jesus without works.

      1. Unfortunately, the majority of Christian believe in Replacement Theology. And also the majority believe in amillenialism.The Reformers still had much of the Catholic church in them. In fact, most never left!

      2. Dear Ant Writes

        Sabbath Shalom.

        There are so many strange teachings in regards to the second coming of Jesus. Today you made me read about “amillenialism”.

        I believe in the second coming of Jesus. And I do believe that Jesus will reign from Jerusalem together with his saints. But this reign in not a second chance to get saved. A new cross will not be set up in Jerusalem. The lamb is not coming back. It will be the Lion of Judah who roars from Israel.

        The age of grace has been closed, the moment Jesus returns. And the age of Judgment has begun.

        Time will change the day Jesus returns in the clouds of Heaven. A day, hundred days or 1000 years, it really do not matter. Peter correctly explained that a debate around the length of ” a day” or 1.000 years, for God this is a non starter. He reigns beyond our human understanding of time.

        Eventually, all the saints will be taken to the Kingdom of Heaven. And the goats will be sent to the fire of Hell.

      3. Ant Writes, you are correct, the majority of professing “Christianity” is into these catholic-based lies. The question is, how much of that “professing Christianity” is actually saved? How often one that holds tons of false doctrines, also has false doctrines in regards to them rejecting the freeness of the Gospel.

      4. @Andy, I like you! You are a lot like me in how you believe. Praise God. Your comment on how many of those professing Christianity are actually saved was spot on. There is a blogger I speak to every now and then (“argue with” is a better term) and both him and me went to seminary. He’s becoming so liberal in his views he denies the resurrection, in fact anything supernatural, yet he runs a rather large Methodist Church! I became MORE conservative, and love the Lord more. He speaks of Christianity like I speak of the Greek gods Zeus and Apollo. Why would someone get a PhD in something they have no belief in? (I don’t have a PhD…I felt it wasted time when I could be preaching the gospel instead! ;)) Why would I get a PhD in Islamic Studies for example? Anyway, he doesn’t believe in hell, and he’s also a preterist.

      5. Hey Ant, sounds like your friend is messed up…it sounds like he is part of the folks, that thinks ‘all is well’…too much emphasis on God and less on living a good life here on Earth as best you can, with all the bad politics around us….(smile) I think their politics is a conversation piece to appear ‘on fire’ for something…but don’t let it interfere with personal wants…

      6. Ant Writes…. great questions. Some people go into this “Christianity” thing because they can make a living at it, giving unbiblical motivational speeches to people that don’t want to hear much Bible anyway. As you said, he leads a big church. That’s a lucrative enterprise for him. He can toss out some pithy useless statements a few times a week, and collect a paycheck, and look like a brilliant guy in the process. Of course he will give account to the Lord, and that won’t be pretty.

      7. The truth is that the pope will lead the whole world in this last age all who are beliving in Lord Jesus Christ will be killed but all of those who believed will be saved by the rapture but you can only join to the rapture if u are already baptized in the Holy Ghost before anti christ lead the whole world all of the humans that the name is written in the book of life will be saved and those are not known by human only God knows it so if u accept God as your savour and your God be Baptized in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

  4. I mean that the Catholic God and the Muslim God are the same as in…they are both really the devil. Yes, their Bob masks may appear different.

    I do not believe in replacement theology. The bible is clear that God made one new man from the Jew and the Gentile. Paul spoke much about this. A true Jew is one inwardly who’s heart has been circumcised by the finger of God. (regardless of race, nationality, etc) All such people collectively=true Israel.

    The Jews of Jesus’ day rejected him as their Messiah…what bible do you guys read?! Of course many believed followed him, and eventually threw out their Jewish system (counted it all as dung) to follow the new and living way. This is all right there, in black and white!

  5. The Jews of Jesus’ day were so numerous in believing in Jesus, that all the first Christians were all Jewish people. Not sure what your axe to grind against the Jewish people is, but if there were no Jewish people, Jesus wouldn’t have come through them to offer you salvation. Get over it.

  6. In a sense, it can be said that they indeed serve the same god, since both catholicism and islam are presenting another Jesus, (anti messiah) another spirit, and another gospel. In the end this reality will make itself known.

    Does the AC really have to have jewish, or even arab blood? Where does Scripture say that? Doesnt this article prove that it is enough if a man of peace comes in his own name – and they are ready to receive him…
    By the way, so are many muslim clerics – perhaps aided by the former pope’s kiss of betrayal (of the qur’an)?

    As for christendom bending its neck bfore the pope – we have a ‘pentecostal pastor’ heavily involved catholic mysticism, ‘christian’ mantra meditation etc, who has said he thinks it’s about time we all bow our necks before the papal chair…! An this man, whith his saints and his icons, has the respect of much of swedish evangelical christendom!!!

      1. Yes, Andy, and there are some grass roots who recognize this. But it seems many, or most (?) evangelical leaders are fine whith it.
        Here, many have already boarded the train to Rome…

      2. That is true Andy because if you are believing in God why did you need to bow in the pope see?? only God has the power and be praised but why the other bowing to the pope is useless unless they are anti Christ

  7. Whatever your religion is, it doesn’t matter if you are not believe Jesus is the only way..
    here’s supporting verses
    My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the LORD. “And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.Isaiah 55:8

    For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation,Colossians 1:15

    I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth. Psalm 89:27

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

    Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? John 14:9

    The LORD brings death and makes alive; he brings down to the grave and raises up. 1 Samuel 2:6

    I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.Revelation 1:18
    No religion can get salvation unless they accept Jesus Christ as their savior..
    and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.Philippians 2:11

    1. Rosa

      You said whatever religions we are doesn’t matter? So what are you actually trying to said or you seems holding Catholicism view that all religions are equal and both religions worship God, To me this simple pure blasphemy im sure if you read your you will stop twisting it and believe it as it is

  8. God will judge us individually not by our religion.. Have faith he’s grace is more than our sins and we just keep on holding in his promise.. God is good that’s why he gave Jesus his only son.. God in the end times hope we see the truth, save us in fire of hell.. the end is near and bless are those who have faith in Jesus the only righteous and way to the father God..

  9. REVELATION 13
    REVELATION 13:1
    1 ¶ And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

    REVELATION 13:2
    2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

    REVELATION 13:3
    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    REVELATION 13:4
    4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    REVELATION 13:5
    5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

    REVELATION 13:6
    6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    REVELATION 13:7
    7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    REVELATION 13:8
    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    REVELATION 13:9
    9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    REVELATION 13:10
    10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

    REVELATION 13:11

  10. Rev. 18:L3,4 calls for “……coming out from amongst her my children etc…..” That is the call of the last messenger to this last church age we’re living in.Don’t just come out from the catholic system who is described in detail in Rev 17 as the mother harlot, but also her daughters, the denominations.There are still of God’s chidren caught up in the hellish systems of denominations and catholocism, hence the cry from God to come out of that system. There are some called people in that system. It is that denominalism system that is wrong and from where God’s called-out one’s should come from.The pot can’t call the kettle black. Come out of ALL those systems ASAP or receive the mark of the beast, which is the denominations, including catholocism.

  11. dear friends god bless you all .as i was reading the few comments about “Israel accept the Pope as “the man of peace” read what it said in revelation chapter 3 .friends this is nothing strange these things make me rejoice more because i will soon see my king Jesus Christ for the end is at hand .god send a prophet brother william branham in this day to point us back to him .friends just keep pressing on for the rapture is at hand .let us make our calling an election sure.we are just pilgrems and strangers here in this land . god bless you all .

    1. Richie,

      William Branham was a deceiving man. Here’s why:

      1. He did not believe in the Holy Spirit.

      2. He also did not believe that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one.

      3. He was allegedly photographed with a ring of fire on his head, which reminds me of this verse: 2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

      4. He thought he was the prophet Elijah.

      5. He stated Jesus would return in1977.

      These are just some of the things William Branham stated. He was full of deceit and lies. He was a false prophet, the very type Jesus warned us of.

      Matthew 7:15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

      Do not follow man, follow Christ!

      1. Gloria,
        you must take a seat and learn more about that man of william branham,we can’t follow a man but we are following God in a man like hebrews followed Moses.William branham is a true prophete ,is the God mercy,and you must enquire beside their beleivers to rectify your point of view otherwise you’ll face the wrath of God one day because of your wrong testimony,please.

      2. Jc,

        You claim man followed Moses is a lie. Man followed God once they heard the truth from Moses. Moses gave thanks and praise to God.

        William gave praise to Angels. Even more ridiculous was how he thought he was Elijah.

        You must learn not to follow William who was a sinner. How can you follow someone who did not believe in the Holy Spirit? How can you follow a man who gave thanks to angels and not God?

        I stand by the truth. William was a deciever and unless you realize this, he’ll lead you to wide gates if hell.

      3. Anyone who read this rubbish from Gloria aught to find out for them selves What William Marrion Branham said because what she wrote is lies and not true ,I don’t think she has heard him for herself ,shes probably listened to Chinese Whispers. I hope she repents before she dies.

      4. Andrew….you really know how to bring everything into clarity…what you believe …and act upon….
        from reading what you have written and what Gloria has written about this debate between you and she…..I can see ….

        Between the two of you….we see who is leading whom to whom (smile)
        …anyone in this debate with you and Gloria wants to follow William Branham ….ask you
        ….or….
        …anyone in this debate with you and Gloria wants to follow Jesus Christ …ask Gloria …smile)
        You tells us that this William Branham person has written books….
        So!!
        Jesus Christ ‘has written books’ (smile) His Books are older (smile) ……†

      5. Andrew,

        You are blinded by one man’s lies. How can you not see the deception? The truth is right in front of your face.

        Here’s another comment from Branham, When asked if it was the Holy Spirit that did the supernatural signs and miracles in his meetings, Branham responded, “No, my angel does these things!”

        He did not give GLORY TO CHRIST IN ALL THINGS. He was a liar and deceiver.

        I stand by my statement and the truth. BELIEVE ONLY IN CHRIST.

    2. Richie

      “BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS”
      Our Lord Jesus Christ warned:
      “Take heed that no man
      deceive you. For many shall
      come in my name, saying, I am
      Christ [from the Greek word
      christos meaning Anointed] ;
      and shall deceive many…. For
      there shall arise false Christs,
      and false prophets, and shall
      shew great signs and wonders;
      insomuch that, if it were
      possible, they shall deceive the
      very elect.” (Matt. 24:4,5,24)

      1. Dear Tiva

        With respect, you are hollering about false prophets and I can see from your comments that you unfortunately do not know the Scriptures in this regard. You are thinking that prophets are only for the old Testament and fail miserably to see God’s plan with prophets as per the Scripture, in our days. Time keeps me from giving you a few pertinent Scripures right away, but should you really want to explore, I am more than willing to provide you with Eternal manna for your hungry denominational self righteous soul.If you fail to see Scriptural prophets’ work in our modern day, the book of Revelation, the Rapture etc. will be a total mystery to you. Question: Why is it that no-one understands or preach sense about Revelation, seeing that it’s supposed to be a “Revelation” ?Why is is it still a closed book to you and many millions of others? Answer: you fail to recognise God’s work through a scriptural prophet in our day. Still confused? No wonder. So please, get the facts on your knees before making random statements about prophets. There is place for a God vindicated prophet in ou modern day, but you, like many denominational church goers have been, and are being misled by your own false prophets, teaching doctrines that is so unscriptural, it is thinner than the broth made from the shadow of a chicken starved to death.I say it in love. Please read Revelation 18:3,4 – pray about it and act swiftly on it.There’s still a little bit of time left, you just may be the last one to come in before the rapture……..

      2. Johann,

        Your comment: Scripures right away, but should you really want to explore, I am more than willing to provide you with Eternal manna for your hungry denominational self righteous soul.

        My comment: You sound a bit patronizing.

        Your comment: Why is is it still a closed book to you and many millions of others?

        My comment: Why do you assume such? Jesus Christ uses believers and reveals things to them.

        Your comment: Answer: you fail to recognise God’s work through a scriptural prophet in our day. Still confused? No wonder

        My comment: Ah, another Wiliam Branam believer. Why oh why must you follow a man who did not believe in the Holy Spirit? Why do you follow a man who only praised angels, and not Jesus?

        Your comment: There is place for a God vindicated prophet in ou modern day, but you, like many denominational church goers have been, and are being misled by your own false prophets, teaching doctrines that is so unscriptural, it is thinner than the broth made from the shadow of a chicken starved to death.I say it in love. Please read Revelation 18:3,4 – pray about it and act swiftly on it.There’s still a little bit of time left, you just may be the last one to come in before the rapture……..

        My comment: Take your self righteous self elsewhere. You who follow a man who did not believe in the Holy Spirit are endanger of losing their soul.

        1 John 2:19-27 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist–he denies the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us–even eternal life. I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.

      3. Dear Gloria

        You shoot too fast. I’ve NEVER mentioned someone with the name William Branham. I gave Scriptures. But, on this topic, I noticed from the comments that a lot of people is against this man, whoever he was. Like everyone was / is against The WORD(CHRIST)…….Have you perhaps hear his man himself preach, saw him perhaps, or do you and many others just say what you’ve heard about him? Sounds like it ‘s the same old devil of which Jesus asked ” …do you say this of yourself, or did you hear some one else say this about me…?” Same old devil. Lack of personal revelation is still the best critic. Sela.

      4. Johann,

        You said: You shoot too fast. I’ve NEVER mentioned someone with the name William Branham. I gave Scriptures. But, on this topic, I noticed from the comments that a lot of people is against this man, whoever he was.

        My comment: The thread you replied to and I assume knowingly was of William Branham. Did I assume wrong? I don’t think so.

        Your comment: Have you perhaps hear his man himself preach, saw him perhaps, or do you and many others just say what you’ve heard about him? Sounds like it ‘s the same old devil of which Jesus asked ” …do you say this of yourself, or did you hear some one else say this about me…?” Same old devil. Lack of personal revelation is still the best critic. Sela.

        My comment: One only has to google William Branham or hear any of his recordings, or books he has written to hear the deceptions he’s told. So yes, I’ve heard what he had to say, and do not believe a word of it.

        Have you heard of what this man has had to say to be defending him?

        You speak of the devil and his tricks. And I tell you that Jesus wants us to test the false prophets, Jesus wants us to yell the way to salvation, and Jesus wants us to denounce any lies spoken against shim.

        1 Timothy 6:3-5 If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.

        2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

      5. Dear Gloria

        Again you are making assumptions, that is why you can’t see the wood from the trees. I’m going to let this difference rest. No use convincing the blind, being lead by the blind. One recording……One recording…..!!! If you disagree with that man on one thing, you will disagree with evertything. Then you’ll have to agree that there is no God, because it declares so in the Psalms, but only in one vese. So on one verse, taken by an uninspred individual we can clearly state that there is no God. No further comments m’am. There is none so blind than those who say THEY can see.With all due respect, you are the deceived one, and deceived either by your own cleverness, or false “Prophets” in your movenment, or both.By the way, Google “hell” and it will tell you its the best place to go seeing that heaven don’t exist. Anyone can put ANYTHING on Google. Why don’t you instead Google God on your knees, do some kneeology and ask for revelation on these topics. Google should not be you standard, but CHRIST, THE WORD.Sela. End of discussion.

      6. Johann,

        Your comment: Again you are making assumptions, that is why you can’t see the wood from the trees.

        My comment: Assumptions are not being made. I told you Branham wrote books, recorded his sermons, and that is the proof you so desperately need. But yet, oddly refuse to acknowledge that there is even proof out there about this mans deceptions.

        Your comment: Then you’ll have to agree that there is no God, because it declares so in the Psalms, but only in one vese.

        My comment: What a horrific lying statement you make. And if you do not believe in God, the Bible tells you exactly where you’ll go.

        Your comment: THEY can see.With all due respect, you are the deceived one, and deceived either by your own cleverness, or false “Prophets” in your movenment, or both

        My comment: I use the Word of God to prove you wrong. What is it that you use? The deception you have learned or was taught?

        Your comment: By the way, Google “hell” and it will tell you its the best place to go seeing that heaven don’t exist. Anyone can put ANYTHING on Google. Why don’t you instead Google God on your knees, do some kneeology and ask for revelation on these topics.

        My comment: Seems you need to hear it again. THERE ARE TAPES, BOOKS on William Branham’s deceptions. TAPES AND BOOKS that he has made.

        Heaven does exist, for the Bible says it so.

        1 Kings 8:30 And listen to the plea of your servant and of your people Israel, when they pray toward this place. And listen in heaven your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive

        1 Corinthians 2:7-9 But we impart a secret and hidden wisdom of God, which God decreed before the ages for our glory. None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But, as it is written,”What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man imagined, what God has prepared for those who love him”

        Your comment: Google should not be you standard, but CHRIST, THE WORD

        My comment: Oh, one more shot. There are TAPES AND BOOKS that Branham WROTE AND SPOKE, which proves his deception.

        And again, if you believe that there is a hell, then believe in a heaven, for every word God has spoken is true forever.

      7. Dear Gloria

        I decided to let it rest, but you keep on, to prove a point. AGAIN, I’ve never mentioned the name William Branham. You assume I’m saying what he said, although you are missing the golden thread from Genesis to Revelation, because the little Scriptureyou claim to know is sadly just head knowledge, hence my proposal that you should prctise kneeology. You know, like Saul who had it in his head, and became Paul when he got it on his heart.

        Again my friend, I never said ” there is no God” I was referring o Psalms who declares that. I won’t tell you where, it will do you good to read them all prayerfully. Hint: it is before you get to Psalm 25. I believe in one true God, heaven the work of the Holy Spirit and all that a true believer should believe in, so, I’m not deceived, and I am a believer in the One and Only True God. And, I know some Scriptures by the grace of God, so, please don’t quote me Scriptures ad infinitum.

        “…..study to show yourselves approved and be ready to give an account of the hope in you…”

        Continue your journey in peace Gloria.

        Can we leave this argument now…….

      8. Johann,

        Let me quote what you are saying in the thread of William Branham: “One recording…..!!! If you disagree with that man on one thing, you will disagree with evertything. ”

        You also said: Answer: you fail to recognise God’s work through a scriptural prophet in our day.

        Another one of your quotes, “Then you’ll have to agree that there is no God, because it declares so in the Psalms, but only in one vese.”

        My comment:

        Those are your exact words! You are defending a man who preached another word, than God’s Word.

        How do you know I know “little” of scripture? Though, I am learning God’s word everyday, Glory to Jesus for allowing me, to show that his Word is true and just!

        Regarding Psalms you said it as a statement, not a question. So it leads to believe that you thought there is no God. Which is completely wrong for you to even suggest Psalms-or a verse in Psalms as such. You can’t use God’s word to even hint as such a thing. It isn’t right when your trying to speak of Jesus.

        A question for you: If a man approached you and said he did not believed in the Holy Spirit, and if he preached what was not written in the Holy Word of God, how would you respond to this man?

      9. Dear Gloria

        This is my last response to you. William Branham believed everything you said he didn’t believe in. You are so misinformed, no wonder you are so deceived. Where you get your facts is mind boggling and just proves that you know nothing about this man at all. None at all. You are just following the main stream doctrines and have your own say so. You sound like either a catholic or a follower of one of the TVangelists e.g. Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers or one of the other critics, deceived critics I should say. I feel sorry for people like you. If you can’t see these truths by revelation, I am afraid you would have crucified Christ yourself too in His Bodily day, because you are crucifying Him again today in His Spirit day by not receiving the fresh manna for your day. Sad if you don’t see the revealed Word for your day. ” walk in the light as He is in the light…” Not was, IS……. You are walking in the light of 2000years ago, not even 50 years ago. Get into the light for your day. Sad if you, who claim to know the Scriptures don’t/cant see these things in the Scriptures.Get down on your stifnecked critical knees and ask God, Whom you claim you KNOW, to reveal these things to you, before it is too late and you miss the rapture, which is already in progress. Didn’t know that either……….thought you know the Scriptures, or are you going on your own revelation again? Kick the head knowledge out which puffs one up, and let it sink through revelation 30cm down to your heart and soul.

        By the way, would you mind telling me the name of the God Whom you believe in…..?? Just His Name, that’s all, no Scriptures, no preaching, just His Name….

        THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME GLORIA. MAY YOU REALLY PRAYERFULLY FIND THE TRUTH SOON.

      10. Johann,

        So I was right, you are a William Branham believer. I thought that was it, though you tried your best to not state it out right away. I am not misinformed. William has left books, and tapes of the lies he chose to spread. He lived a life not according to the Word of God.

        Actually Benny HInn, Meyers, Osteen, all preach a “let’s think positive” and that will be okay attitude. They teach doctrines not according to the Word of God. For instance, Osteen was interviewed by CNN, and Osteen was asked if the only way to heaven was through Jesus Christ? Instead Osteen replied something to the effect, “now I wouldn’t say that.” Sad right? How all of these alleged ministers deny the Word of God.

        Most of your comments are rubbish, and not worth responding to.

        But I will say this, I walk in the light that is Jesus Christ. His word is complete to me. Any preacher who stands before me, and preached a Word not according to the gospel, that is one preacher who will hear me denounce his ways. For he does not walk with Christ, but walks to deceive.

        The rapture is in progress? Did I miss the millions of Christians who went with Christ? I don’t believe so, for such an event would be on news channels everywhere.

        You asked: By the way, would you mind telling me the name of the God Whom you believe in…..??

        My comment: Well you didn’t answer my question, but I’ll answer yours. I believe in JESUS CHRIST, MY KING, MY MESSIAH, OUR FATHER, HOLY SPIRIT, GOD, AND HIS WORD THE HOLY BIBLE.

        Please Johann, disagreements aside, pray to Jesus, that he show you the truth about Branham. He leads you down a dangerous patch.

        2 Peter 2:1-22 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; …

        God Bless.

  12. Johann

    You wrote
    With respect, you are
    hollering about false
    prophets and I can see
    from your comments that
    you unfortunately do not
    know the Scriptures in this
    regard.

    Well I do know the scriptures concerning the this issues
    And I want to Ask questions im sure you know that the bible said that when arise the prophet who gives a prophecy and if his prophecy dont be fullfilled why do you simple call him a true prophet or a false prophet?

    1. Dear Tiva

      I’m not getting into an argument. You are 100% correct, the Scriptures declares that. So, who are you referring to? There are so many TV evangelists and movements in the name of Christianity it is scaring, and each one claims to have their own prophet/prophetess. The remnant shall be saved Tiva, the remnant, those who held dear to the Word. Become Paul, don’t stay a Saul.

      1. Bro Johann, dnt waste your time wth people like Glory who are in made themselves soldier of the church and not soldiers of the Cross. She is ignorant and myiopic to the Word of God.

      2. Emeka, do you believe in what Branham preached?

        He believed

        1. that Eve and the serpent bore Cain.
        2. He denied the Holy Spirit.
        3. He taught others that he was Elijah from the Bible.

        The Bible proves Branham wrong! What do you believe?

  13. Emeka

    You wrote
    Bro Johann, dnt waste
    your time wth people like
    Glory who are in made
    themselves soldier of the
    church and not soldiers of
    the Cross. She is ignorant
    and myiopic to the Word
    of God.

    As Christians we must defend and contend for the faith, we need to hate lies believe truth
    So is clear and simple you also Branham defender you have blinded by lies of this man who claim to be a prophet

  14. Dear Gloria

    If your eyes were opened by the Holy Spirit you would have seen the true revelation of Cain and the serpent seed, and follow it right through the scriptures right down to Rev. 22.21.That constitutes the mark of the beast, if you have’nt noticed. William Branham did not show the people he was the Elijah to come according to the Scriptures, God showed it to His Seed that has eyes(of the heart) to see and ears(of the heart) to hear. And by His vindicative signs that followed, which you so sadly miss.

    Willaim Branham never denied the work of the Holy Spirit, in fact, his whole ministry was/is the working of the Holy Spirit in the days we’re living in. Very sad that you don’t see or recognise the Scriptures fullfilled before your very eyes in our days. Rather pray that God uses His eyesalve and Balm to open your spiritual eyes.

    Jesus called the so-called spritual leaders of that day, (physical seed of Abraham), brood of vipers, children of the devil and of their father the devil. He also called Cain “from the evil one” . He also so plainly explained the seeds of the two sowers. Why can’t you and and the theologians not see this plainly written Scriptures? It has nothing to do with Willaim Branham, but it has all to do with God trying to open our blinded theological eyes. How will this get explained away? It was no William Branham who said it, it’s Gods Word declaring it, so, who are you fighting against? Gamaliel very wisely warned the people to make sure that they don’t find themselves fighting against God. If the teachings were of his own, it will perish, but if it is from God, it will prosper and grow. And where will you be found in tha day?

    You keep on hollering about William Branham, but you fail miserably to recognise the Scriptures pertaining to our day. Rather gather the facts prayerfully. You don’t even realise it that you in fact are resisting God and His work and Word. I pray that you will stop trying to make a point, and rather ask God to work in your heart. Please donn’t be like the Pharisees, Sadducees and Epicurians etc. who resisted Jesus and eventually crucified Him, Who was the Word. Why don’t you ask for help instead of keep on jammering on and on and on and on and on. Looks like you are really looking for truth, that’s why you are fighting against the Truth. If William Branham was not whom the Scriptures declares him to be, then leave him be. Why is he such a threat to you and other people?

    It is good that people, like you, want to stand aginst heresies etc. We all need to contend for the faith that was once delivered unto us, but we need the facts, not peoples doctrines, seminary theology etc. Revelation i.l.o. head knowledge.

    Run to the Light, not opposing it and run from it. That’s the Light of your day today, not from 2000 years ago. Walk in the Light as He is IN THE LIGHT.

    I’m not against you or fighting you, just pray that you come to the full knowledge of the full truth. This is all in God’s hands.

    1. Johann,

      You said: If your eyes were opened by the Holy Spirit you would have seen the true revelation of Cain and the serpent seed, and follow it right through the scriptures right down to Rev. 22.21

      My comment: You have got to be kidding me. That Eve bore Cain from the devil-the serpent is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever heard of.

      The Word of God brands Branham and you a LIAR.
      Genesis 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.” *end* Read it again Johann, let it sink in. It says ADAM LAY WITH HIS WIFE EVE, and she became PREGNANT and gave birth to Cain. You got it? I surely hope so.

      Your comment: That constitutes the mark of the beast, if you have’nt noticed. William Branham did not show the people he was the Elijah to come according to the Scriptures, God showed it to His Seed that has eyes(of the heart) to see and ears(of the heart) to hear. And by His vindicative signs that followed, which you so sadly miss.

      My comment; Another LIE from Branham, and what’s worse is that you are so deep in the lies, you ignore the Word of God. God did not show his “seed” that he was Elijah, I’m positive of it. and that Branham did signs and wonders, brands him even more so a false prophet.

      Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect–if that were possible.

      Your comment: Willaim Branham never denied the work of the Holy Spirit, in fact, his whole ministry was/is the working of the Holy Spirit in the days we’re living in.

      My comment: Branham said, “Why don’t you examine your baptism of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and that false ‘trinity’ it’s so-called…” If that’s not denial I don’t know what is.

      Johann you are so wrapped up in Branham’s cult, that you accept his twisting of the Word of God as right. Johann, Jesus is right around the corner, I’m sincerely worried for your soul. Branham’s lies are so twisted, I cannot shout it enough. Please, please, please, seek a Christ believing Christian church. Bury youself in the Word of God, and pray.

      If Branham were alive today, I would rebuke him in the name of JESUS CHRIST. What Branham taught was a “teaching of demons.” May JESUS touch your heart, and may you see the truth before it is too late.

      2 Peter 2:1-3
      But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

      1 Timothy 4:1-5
      Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

      1. Dear Gloria

        What amazes me is that I’ve quoted NOTHING from William Branham, but only Scriptures, but yet you carry on against the man. Again my friend, your eyes are as closed as the Pharisees of old. If you deny the serpent seed you make Jesus a liar, and Paul, and John etc. And it proves your lack of spiritual Word knowledge. If you want, I can give you Scriptures, but even then you will carry on arguing. Not even Jesus Christ will be able to convince you now, even if He stands in front of you quoting His own Scriptures in this regard that I’ve quoted you. The Scriptures, not William Branham. You should be a very worried individual.

        I’m afraid you are starting to blaspheme against the Word, and I hope to God He will see this as ignorance on your side.So, for yor own sake I’ll call a day.

      2. Johann,

        What amazes me is that CLEARLY THE WORD OF GOD, states versus like Cain was born from Adam and Eve, and that you claim to be a Christian and do not believe in GOD’S WORDS.

        So in essence you don’t believe the GOD OF THE BIBLE, but a different one spun up by Branham. Johann, you have been defending Branham for days. I implore you with all my heart, to turn away from this man’s teachings. It is evil, and wicked!

        The serpent seed is clearly that: A lie from Satan. You will never be able to convice me otherwise.

        Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

        Your comment: If you want, I can give you Scriptures, but even then you will carry on arguing.

        My comment: Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

        You said: I’m afraid you are starting to blaspheme against the Word, and I hope to God He will see this as ignorance on your side.So, for yor own sake I’ll call a day.

        My comment: Again, what you do is spread lies. It is a dangerous thing to do. Branham chose to lie about GOD. Seek Christ wholeheartedly ask Jesus to show you the way.

        Matthew 7:21-23 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

  15. Johann

    Do you think Cain’s descends survive floods, We are taught that only 8 people were in the Ark
    ?
    The serpent seed doctrine
    is a belief based on poor biblical
    interpretation and superstition. It
    is a primary doctrinal resource for
    those who want to use Scriptures
    to justify racial prejudice. The
    serpent seed doctrine is also
    closely related to other erroneous
    beliefs such as the Christian
    Identity Movement and the Kenite
    doctrine.

  16. GENESIS 4…..And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived , and bare Cain ,and said , I have gotten a man from the Lord . GENESIS 4-2 And she again bare his brother Abel …….. .. GENESIS 4-25 And Adam knew his wife again ; and she bare a son and called his name Seth : …sorry to disapoint the followers of this Branham preacher but there is no proof/evidance of Satan being your long lost relative here ????????????????????????????

  17. Dear Gloria

    Before I give you a few Scriptures, just a correction on your comment above: the Scripture NO WHERE states that Cain was born of Adam. Where does it say that?

    Now, following on this, the following few pointer Scriptures that you need to clear up in your heart, so as not to make God’s Word and Jesus a liar:

    Gen.3:13. The serpent deceived Eve, not Adam.Re. also 2 Cor. 11:2 + 3,4 in this regard. The Corinthians knew about this issue with the serpent, so did the Pharisees etc.. Also John 8:41, all together.

    Gen. 4:1. Eve acknowledges that life comes from God, of course, where else would it come from? Man gets with women = child.

    Gen. 4:2. “Later” she gave birth to Abel. When did this second conceptional deed take place? Re. Gen. 4:25 when Seth was born. Two sexual acts, but 3 children. One act is misssing somewhere.

    So, when did Abel’s conception took place? There is an answer for that, if you are interested, but let’s carry on.

    Math. 13:24 – 30.The two seeds explained. See verse 36 especially. Also verse 38, and read on to 43. Now remember, this was Jesus, the Word for His day, speaking.He was not joking about this.

    The Scripture in Gen.4:1 clearly states that Cain was born first, thus the firstborn. Why then is he not mentioned as such, or even not mentioned AT ALL in the genealogy in Luke 3:38? Please refer also to Jude 1:14. If Cain was in God’s genealogy at all, Enoch would have been he 8th from Adam, not the 7th as stated in the Word of God.So, something is missing here…. The second sexual conceptional act maybe….? God don’t even recognise Cain in any genealogy, what about mentioning the firstborns as always.? He’s the serpent’s seed.

    John 8:34 -58. Verse 37 – That’s why the Truth is still being opposed, even today.
    Verse 38 – ” …heard from your father…” who was that? Still the same one that leads his children today against the Truth.
    Verse 41. ” …we were not born of FORNICATION(as Cain…JS)…” The Pharisees very well knew about the issue in the garden, for Cain and they had the same father. Re. also 2 Cor. 11: 2 – 4.
    Verse 42. “…if God were your Father….” Who was there father then? Answer it Gloria.
    Verse 43. Self explanatory.
    Verse 44. If you can’t see this as clearly as Jesus put it, you must be both spiritually and physically blind,
    Verse 45. Self explanatory even in our day.
    Verse 46. Please answer Jesus on this one Gloria.He’s expalined all the previous Scriptures to you. Why don’t you still not believe Him? And he’s the Word.
    Verse 47. Here Jesus Himself says who you belong to if you don’t hear His Word, not Willaim Branham’s or anybody(or yours…, or mine…) – HIS WORD.So, who do you belong to now Gloria? He’s been talking Himself now all along, His Words.
    Verses 48 – 58. Self explanatory.

    To confirm what the Word says about Cain, finally, refer to 1 John 3:12. How can anyone deny this?

    Dear Gloria, Tiva and Dean, these are just but a few straight forward Scriptures from the Scriptures, Jesus speaking all the way. What are you going to do with His Words?

    If you don’t even believe in these elementary teachings of Jesus, how on earth dare you criticise God’s Word, or people whom God revealed it to? Are you going to try o explain Jesus’s Words away with some fancy theological seminary doctrine or a traditional doctrinal teaching from your kindly old family priest or pastor? It’s time for you to do some kneeology Gloria.

    Trusting in God that this discussion may help some who is really searching for the truth, as per the Scripture.

    May God give you spiritual insight and take you higher, away from the milk and vegetables, but to eating of meat.

    Sela.

    1. Johann,

      You are blind and do not see the truth, even though it’s right in front of your face.

      I will try again.

      Genesis 4:1 Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man.”

      Again, ADAM LAY WITH HIS WIFE, LAY WITH HIS WIFE, AND SHE BECAME PREGNANT.

      What is so hard about that verse?

      1 John 3:12 says: Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous.

      I cannot believe that you are so blind you take that verse, and say okay Branham is correct. YOU HAVE BEEN DECEIVED.

      In simplest terms: God tells us not to be like Cain, who murdered Abel, because he thought him better than himself.

      Johann, please do not post here anymore. You are ignorant, and blinded by the lies that Branham has said. You choose not to follow the God of the Bible, but a made up god.

      Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

  18. Johann

    You wrote
    Now, following on this, the
    following few pointer Scriptures
    that you need to clear up in
    your heart, so as not to make
    God’s Word and Jesus a liar:
    Gen.3:13. The serpent deceived
    Eve, not Adam.Re. also 2 Cor.
    11:2 + 3,4 in this regard. The
    Corinthians knew about this
    issue with the serpent, so did
    the Pharisees etc.. Also John
    8:41, all together.

    My comment
    That’s what we call damnable heresy according to your claim you said serpent did have sex with Eve is that possible? Bible warns us of false teachers who came up with they another gospel
    Beware of the false prophets,
    who come to you in sheep’s
    clothing, but inwardly are
    ravenous wolves. You will know
    them by their fruits. Grapes are
    not gathered from thorn bushes
    nor figs from thistles are
    they?” (Matthew 7:15-16)
    Sometimes Jesus calls these false
    teachers “wolves.” Paul said that
    these men are both “deceived” and
    are “deceivers themselves.”
    Heresy, which is designed to sever
    brethren from Christ comes from
    the work of wolves among the
    flock. Jesus made a distinction
    between “hirelings” and true
    “shepherds” by saying that
    hirelings flee from the flock and
    allow the wolf to come in while
    shepherds protect the flock even
    to the point of laying down their
    lives for them. (John 10) Being
    deceived, wolves don’t know they
    are wolves. Let me ask you this question again
    Do you think Cain descend survive the flood?

  19. Dear Tiva

    Question: Why did God cursed the serpent? What did he do to deserve being cursed? Did he hand Eve an apple, or maybe a pear, or an orange? Did the so-called fruit opened their eyes to realise they were naked? Then it’s high time we start to hand out fruit again…… What happened to the second conceptual sex act Tiva…. Only mentioniong of two acts. hat about all the New Testament Scriptures I gave you and Gloria a few minutes ago? Answer them to God, and argue with Him, not with me, I did no write them. He only opened my eyes, that’s all. Answer it…..

  20. Dear Tiva, apologies, I’ve missed the last part of your question re Cain’s descendants again. If they have’nt came through someone on the ark, where did they come from when they were standing in front of Jesus in John 8? Remember, there was a dove and crow on the ark too. Like Herod and Moses, Elijah and Ahab, Judas and Jesus, error and Truth etc.

    1. Johann

      What you actually quote from the Bible, and twist to your own meaning is this:

      Dispute Over Whose Children Jesus’ Opponents Are

      31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
      33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

      34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.[b]”
      39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

      “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
      “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
      42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” *end*

      Your confusion and hardening of heart is this: Jesus is responding to the Jews, those who hold and believe in him will be set free in Jesus Christ. Those who sin and continue to sin are of (see Jesus saying Abraham’s decendants trying to kill him), those who continue to sin are doing the works of their father.

      Who is the father of those who refuse to accept Christ?

      John 8:44 answers it beautifully. And it goes onto today, for every sinner who continues to sin, murder, speak evil, lies, and commits atrocities, Jesus says:

      John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

      Do you get it now? The father of sin is Satan. Always has been, and will be until Jesus casts him into the lake of fire.

      This has a complete DIFFERENT meaning than what you have been taught.

      Seek a Bible believing Christian, one who believes in GOD, JESUS, THE HOLY SPIRIT, one who preached from the WORD OF GOD.

      If you continue down this route, it will not end good.

      John 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God’s will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

  21. Gloria, nothing hard about that verse for me, it ‘s hard for you….!!! What happened to the 2nd sexual conceptual act Gloria….???? And the rest of what Jesus have told you in John 8 etc.????Surely we read the same Bible I pressume……..Stop harping on one verse and see the toal Scripture. How can you use one (misunderstood) verse and throw the rest out?

    And by the way, leave William Branham out of this discussion. I’ve never ever even quoted him once or talked about him, but I only gave you Scriptures, in your own Bible.You started to mention him, but no prove of Scripture to back it up. Seems like you really struggle to finally condemn the man, and you don’t even know him. Condemn a man, for whatever reason….. Stay with the Word and leave the man. Stay with The Man, Christ, God….

    Don’t tell me what Willaim Branham said, give me Scriptures, what Jesus says. Again, I’ve never mentioned him ever, you did, and keep on the same string forever. Don’t you want o discuss the Scrptures and learn? I’d thought by this time you’d be humble enough, in front of your Bible and study what Jesus have told you from His own mouth a few moments ago in John 8 etc.

    But I an sense you are already loading you unteachable revolver, ready to shoot the Scriptures down. Why don’t you just tear out everything you don’t see the same? Maybe only two covers will suffice then.

    Sela.

    1. Gloria, I saw what you posted. To start wth, I’m a believer and a disciple of William Marrion Branham. There is no how I culd deny him because he fulfilled Mal 4:5-6, Rev 10:7 & Rev 3:14-22, the prophet to Laodicean age. I may not quote him but wth the Bible prove to you about the serpent seed and other doctrine you may hold against him. He never denied The Holy Spirit which is the Cape Stone of ministry. He fulfilled the above mentioned Scriptures. If you had been in the days of the prophets like John the Baptist, you culd have equally denied them and tag them names even Jesus in His earthly ministry. I wsh I culd be availed the opportunity to meet wth you and reason over the Word one-on-one wth you, your testimony will surely changed if you are a seed of God. There’s more power exhibited when the Gospel is being preached than being read. I believed in the demonstrative power of the spoken Word of God. The letter killeth but the Spirit quickeneth and giveth life. God bless you and open your eyes to the Truth!

      1. Emeka,

        You said: Gloria, I saw what you posted. To start wth, I’m a believer and a disciple of William Marrion Branham.

        My comment: I’m glad you have come back to comment. That you are a Branham believer is pretty obvious from your previous posting.

        Your comment: There is no how I culd deny him because he fulfilled Mal 4:5-6, Rev 10:7 & Rev 3:14-22, the prophet to Laodicean age.

        My comment: He fufilled nothing, because it is JESUS CHRIST who’s already fulfilled his words. That is the difference between you and me. You believe in Branham, I believe in CHRIST.
        The fact that you use the Word of God to cause confusion and lies is an abomination.

        He denied the Holy Spirit, and I have quoted that several times in this page, and the William Branham false prophet posting I wrote.

        It really saddens me that in the past few days, I have seen more Branham worshippers around the web. WAKE UP. Adhere to the Word of God. stop listening to Branham’s lies. WAKE UP Before it is too late !

        2 Corinthians 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

    2. Johann,

      That you want God to have written every sexual act in between Adam and Eve’s children is ridiculous. The problem is this you are set in your Branham ways, and refuse to see the truth- even though it’s clear in front of you.

      And I will not leave Branham alone. You started this very discussion defending the man, and believing in his “seed serpent” lie. They very lie which leads many to hell.

      Until you repent from this lie, and see God’s Word for what it is, now what you “think” it is, you will stay lost. You have hardened your heart to the truth. And that my friend, is a sad sight.

      Matthew 13:14-15 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says: “‘You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive. For this people’s heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

    3. Johann

      In JOHN
      8:19-45 – Why did Jesus call
      unbelieving Jews the “Spawn of
      Satan” ?
      Ye are of [your] father the devil,
      and the lusts of your father ye will
      do. He was a murderer from the
      beginning, and abode not in the
      truth, because there is no truth in
      him. When he speaketh a lie, he
      speaketh of his own: for he is a
      liar, and the father of it. —- Jesus
      told the Jews, who claimed they
      were of Abraham, that they were of
      their father Satan. —- John 8:44
      Jesus was himself a Jew and he was
      the Messiah for the Jews. Jesus,
      however, is very clear as to the
      status of the fellow Jews who
      rejected him……
      Jesus told the rebellious Jews, who
      claimed they were of Abraham, that
      they were NOT OF ABRAHAM
      because of their constant
      disobedience.
      Jesus told the Jews who did not
      believe in him that they were
      MURDERERS.
      Jesus told the Jews who did not
      believe in him that they were LIARS
      AND DECEIVERS.
      Jews called the Jews who argued
      with him and rejected him the
      “Spawn of Satan”.
      ——————–
      Jesus compares the unbelieving
      Jews with the serpent devil
      “Ye serpents, ye generation of
      vipers, how can ye escape the
      damnation of hell?” (Matthew
      23:33)
      ————–
      Synagogues Of Satan
      “I know thy works, and tribulation,
      and poverty, (but thou art rich)
      and I know the blasphemy of them
      which say they are Jews, and are
      not, but are the synagogue of
      Satan.” (Revelation 2:9)
      “Behold, I will make them of the
      synagogue of Satan, which say they
      are Jews, and are not, but do lie;
      behold, I will make them to come
      and worship before thy feet, and to
      know that I have loved
      thee.” (Revelation 3:9)
      Here Jesus says the real Jews are
      his followers and the disbelievers
      are NOT THE REAL JEWS.
      Jesus also promises the believers,
      who are now called CHRISTIANS,
      that the disbelievers, who are now
      called JEWS, will always be under
      their feet as a symbol that Jesus
      Loves THEM.
      ————-
      “Behold, I am sending you out as
      sheep in the midst of wolves, so be
      wise as serpents and innocent as
      doves.” — Matthew 10:16
      Jesus calls the Jews who did not
      believe in him “WOLVES” and the
      Jews who did believe in him as
      “SHEEP”. The believers should
      become as wise, sneaky and
      deceiving as the generation of
      Serpents/vipers otherwise they will
      not survive the onslaught from the
      disbelieving Jews ?
      Have the wolves deceived the
      Sheep to such an extent that they
      now believe the very same people
      whom Jesus called Vipers and the
      Spawn of Satan are “GODS CHOSEN
      PEOPLE” ?
      Acutally they were the “chosen
      people” before they rejected Jesus
      and a curse was put on them. God
      shifted the prophethood out of
      them and established a new
      “Jerusalem”(Holy city of peace)
      also.
      “By deception thou shalt do war”
      Instead of the disbelieving jews
      worshipping at the feet of the
      Christians, the Christians are
      worshipping at the feet of the
      “Chosen People” whom Jesus called
      the Spawn of Satan ?
      Busted !
      This is the bible, read it for
      yourself.

      1. Dear Tiva

        I don’t view the discussion as someone who wants to “bust” someone, but rather that we can hopefully learn through it. Trying to “bust” someone with the Word is portraying the wrong Spirit. We should in all things always try to help, assist and carry people. What they then do afterwards with the Word is between them and God one day.

        Just a correction for what is is worth: Jesus was not a Jew, neither had one drop of Jewish blood in Him. He followed the Jewish customs etc. but He was God, with God’s own blood.

      2. Dear Johann Schlebusch

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Just a correction for what is is worth: Jesus was not a Jew, neither had one drop of Jewish blood in Him. He followed the Jewish customs etc. but He was God, with God’s own blood.

        My comment:

        Jesus was a Jew. His mother was Jewish. Who are you trying to fool?

        Jew-hate is not permitted on this site. If I do not see fruits of repentance, your next message will be spammed.

        Let me underline that that you are following a gnostic copy of “Jesus”. The Messiah is fully man and fully God walking on the Earth. Jesus is not “only God”.

      3. Dear all readers

        Shalom.

        I have spammed Johann Schlebusch.

        I feel Gloria has done a good job exposing the falsehood of William Branham. I will request you to bring the debate about this false teacher to an end. Do not spend to much time in repeating your selves to deceivers of the flock, you simply do not want to repent.

  22. Sela ..I have just spent three hours going over your circumstantial evidance and to be quiet honest, if one was guided/lead to reach this opinion/conclusion I can see/understand how a few missfortunate souls will wrongly be convinced of this deceptive theory !!!! I have my own opinions of 1 john 3:12 and heres where I think your mistake lies , its in these three words { who was OF } eg:.. … I know OF John….. I know John…. two completely differant sentences changed by one word…OF…You must have heard the expresion ..he is OF another planet ..this does not make him an alian ..Also GOD did not like Cain as he was lazy ,a lier and a murderer and evil and may OF compared him to Satan {,birds OF a feather flock together} I can quiet easly explain all your other evidance as being supposition ,but you chew on this first

  23. Dean

    You still follow the teaching of false teachers like Arnold Murray and Branham, Let me ask you Who do you think are Cain’s seeds?

    This is a dangerous heresy
    about which Christians need to be
    forewarned.
    Briefly stated, the “serpent seed”
    doctrine revolves around an
    interpretation of Genesis 3:15
    which states that there are races of
    mankind on earth which are
    directly descended from Satan
    himself. This doctrine maintains
    that Satan (the “serpent”) cohabited
    with mother Eve and engendered a
    race of men, which are not
    descended from the direct union of
    Adam and Eve. It also maintains
    that this “serpent seed” race is yet
    present on the earth, and the
    Blacks and/or the Jews are
    generally alleged to be the products
    of this Satanic union with Eve.
    There are variations on this belief,
    at least one of which is that the
    serpent seed race now on earth
    descended from men of a pre-
    Adamic race; that they came from
    the “Satanic” world which preceded
    the Adamic age, and are not
    descended from Adam at all.
    Another is that Cain was the son of
    Satan and Eve, not the son of Adam
    and Eve (this variation is utterly
    ridiculous since Genesis 4:1 states
    “Adam knew his wife; and she
    conceived, and bare Cain”).
    If these doctrines were true, it
    would justify racial hatred toward
    the Blacks, Jews or any other race
    which one wished to ascribe to
    Satan’s origination. However, these
    ideas are not true, and are easily
    proven false by Biblical scriptures.
    Let us first examine who is
    glorified by the adherents of the
    “serpent seed” doctrine. Even
    though the believers of this
    doctrine may not realize it, they
    are actually exalting Satan to God-
    rank by attributing to him the
    power of a creator or lifegiver. The
    Bible states clearly and
    emphatically that Jesus Christ made
    all things. John 1:3 states: “All
    things were made by Him; and
    without Him was not anything
    made that was made .” Hebrews
    1:10-11 also reserves to God alone
    the role of creator and lifegiver.
    Satan himself, personified as the
    King of Tyre, is referred to in
    Ezekiel 28:12-16 as an “anointed
    cherub that covereth” (apparently
    he had wings) who was “in Eden the
    garden of God.” Verses 13 and 16
    refer to Satan as having been
    created by God at a finite point in
    the ancient past. Satan is one of
    many millions of angels which were
    created by God. Christ tells us in
    Matthew 22:30 that the angels in
    heaven “neither marry nor are
    given in marriage.” Angels were
    created out of spirit essence, and
    do not have fleshly bodies. As such
    they do not reproduce themselves,
    and have no physical sperm in
    their bodies with which to
    engender a child via a human
    woman. The truth is that the
    serpent seed doctrine gives Satan
    exactly what he wants. Satan “blew
    his stack” when he found out God
    was going to make man in the
    image of God. Ever since, Satan has
    been angry and has promulgated a
    variety of “doctrines of demons”
    which reverse the truth of God. The
    serpent seed doctrine is perhaps
    the most vile of his deceptive
    doctrines since it relegates various
    races of men to the status of
    animals rather than recognizes all
    men as being made in the image of
    God.
    Also, since there is an immutable
    principle given in Genesis 1 that
    all forms of life reproduce “after
    their kind,” any seed of Satan
    would bear Satan’s hereditary
    traits. Since Satan is referred to as
    “a serpent,” a “dragon,” and a
    “covering cherub,” any progeny of
    his would bear reptilian features.
    When was the last time you saw a
    Black or Jew (the groups usually
    alleged to be “serpent seed”) with
    scales or wings? See how absurd
    the serpent seed idea is when it is
    examined critically?

    1. Thank you tiva82 I had not heard about this serpant seed theory before ,but came to understand the implications myself but thanks for explaining

    1. Johann you you do have your own opinion , but the foundation of this theory {1 John 3:12} which leads you to asume that Satan fatherd Cain by these three words {who was of} is without merrit ,as all the rest of your verses, you asume are in suport, hold there own ground.Also your evidance is fabrication eg: why do you need a verse of Abels conseption ? ,and then use the lack of one to somehow suport this theory ? Do you spend as much time contenplateing where Cains wife came from ? Can you not see that this theory is a house of cards, with Satan being its corner stone ? GOD does not lie { Genesis 4 } is very clear Adam fatherd Cain. Is it your wish for me and others to dought GODS word ???????? Johann a large slice of humble pie is what you need if you think there is a problem with the scriptures

    2. Johann

      You wrote:
      Just a correction for what
      is is worth: Jesus was not
      a Jew, neither had one
      drop of Jewish blood in
      Him. He followed the
      Jewish customs etc. but
      He was God, with God’s
      own blood.

      My comment:
      The very first verse of the New
      Testament clearly proclaims the
      Jewish ethnicity of Jesus. “The book
      of the genealogy of Jesus Christ,
      the son of David, the son of
      Abraham” (Matthew 1:1 ). It is
      evident from passages like Hebrews
      7:14 , “For it is clear that our Lord
      descended from Judah,” that Jesus
      descended from the tribe of Judah,
      from which we get the name “Jew.”
      And what about Mary, the mother
      of Jesus? In the genealogy in Luke
      chapter 3, we see clearly that Mary
      was a direct descendant of King
      David which gave Jesus the legal
      right to ascend the Jewish throne
      as well as establishing without any
      doubt that Jesus was a Jew
      ethnically.

  24. To prove a theory by seeking evidance of suport , is one thing .To find evidance and then try prove it with a theory of suport is something completely differant , this is called a philosophy………… COLLOSSIANS 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit ,after the traditions of men,after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

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