Massive Homosexual attack on Messianic Jews

“We have already received phone calls from many more homosexual groups and couples saying they want to get married here”.

I have visited Yad Hashmona. It is a beautiful Messianic Jewish village just outside the center of Jerusalem.

These are information provided by Yad Hashmonah spokesperson Ayelet Ronen, told to the Messianic magazine Israel Today.

Many are unaware that nestled in the hills outside of Jerusalem is a Messianic communal village where some 150 Israeli believers live, work and provide a “living testimony” of faith in Yeshua.

But that identity has often come at a price, and recently the village of Yad Hashmonah was sued and ordered to pay damages after it refused to host a lesbian wedding at its beautifully constructed event hall and biblical gardens.

The courtroom defeat was only the tip of the iceberg, Yad Hashmonah spokesperson Ayelet Ronen told Israel Today.

“We have already received phone calls from many more homosexual groups and couples saying they want to get married here. To avoid another legal problem, for now, we simply cannot book anything at all” at our guesthouse and event center, explained Ronen.

Source: Israel Today

My comment:

At the end of the road, Israel shall also become a pit of sin.

Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

The Israeli Government and legal system have not only accepted sodomy. Government official has even started to help and promote sodomy.  If you legalize Sodomy,  they will use the legal system to attack the followers of Yeshua. Like we now see in this messianic village in West-Jerusalem.

As a committed Christian Zionist and friend of Israel, it is very painful to see the downfall of Zion.  But this is yet another proof that there is no other way for Jews to be saved, but to accept Yeshua as the Messiah and God.

Please pray that the Jews will accept his Lordship, and not follow anti-Messiah’s of different kind.

Written by Ivar  

58 thoughts on “Massive Homosexual attack on Messianic Jews

    1. Dear Simon Kepha

      Shalom.

      We who love Israel, will feel the pain when the Zionist state is gone. The antichrist will fool the Jews, who believe the true man of peace has arrived. There will be evangelical Christians who do not submit to the final antichrist, and there will be Zionist Jews who will refuse to bow. They are the two witnesses (plural) who will be mishandled and killed in Jerusalem.

      Those who submit to sodomy will end up in the camp of the final antichrist. God of the Bible will hand them over to Satan, whom they like to have as father. Worshiping the devil in the name in the Messiah will not save them.

      1. Shalom Ivar, you sais “There will be evangelical Christians who do not submit to the final antichrist, and there will be Zionist Jews who will refuse to bow. They are the two witnesses”

        My question: which part of scripture did you base this conclusion on? would you be kind to share at your convenience, just for study purpose. Thanks.

      2. Simon,

        Actually you misquoted Ivar. His post above actually reads:

        There will be evangelical Christians who do not submit to the final antichrist, and there will be Zionist Jews who will refuse to bow. They are the two witnesses (plural) who will be mishandled and killed in Jerusalem.

        And I believe his statement coincides with this:

        Revelation 6:9-10 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”

        And the two witness:

        Revelation 11:3 And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.”

      3. Dear Gloria.

        Shalom.

        You are right. I should have quoted the full passage.

        We who do not believe in the “Pre-trib doctrine”, see no need to leave God’s chosen chpeople alone on Earth, as believed by some gentile believers. They have been told by their pastors and teachers, that they will be taken in a rapture, and escape all the trouble of staying united with Israel.

        I believe the true and faithful believers in Yeshua will remain side by side with the Zionist Jews, who refuse to bow before the final antichrist when he arrives in Jerusalem. Those who have not faced the promised rapture will either have given up their faith, sided with the supporters of the antichrist, or have repented from the error of a pre-tribulation rapture that never came.

      4. I fully agree with you in this also…for The Word teaches us this Truth…sad to say many have a ‘few’ scriptures to back what they want to hear…out of context…these will see those who get rich on selling tapes…. ”What to do when the Rapture comes and you are Left Behind”…

        You said..and I’m copying it here again…not just for others but also for me to see it again too~

        I also ……believe….
        I believe the true and faithful believers in Yeshua will remain side by side with the Zionist Jews, who refuse to bow before the final antichrist when he arrives in Jerusalem. Those who have not faced the promised rapture will either have given up their faith, sided with the supporters of the antichrist, or have repented from the error of a pre-tribulation rapture that never came.

      5. Actually I should have wrote that better Ivar. I apologize. I understood what you were saying It was Simon who misquoted you by saying “They are the two witnesses”, and not quoting the full sentence you had written:
        They are the two witnesses (plural) who will be mishandled and killed in Jerusalem.

        By Simon deleting your words, it would have sounded different. which was why I was correcting Simon.

      6. No Ivar. You are totally wrong if you are suggesting that Christ denying Jews are going to be God’s end-time witnesses. Revelation’s witnesses will be men who point Jews, and the whole world toward the Messiah. Not toward a fabricated duel way to salvation. They are two individuals. Not groups. There is no reason to treat the text as anything other than literal.

      7. How n the World did you twist what Ivar said into what you claim he said? Never mind…don’t tell me…I don’t want to know…
        …..I’ll just add you to the prayer list in my heart…

      8. Dear philmayo7909

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        No Ivar. You are totally wrong if you are suggesting that Christ denying Jews are going to be God’s end-time witnesses.

        My comment:

        I might be wrong, because there are many who have an opinion about Revelation chapter 11. Some add to scripture, and say these two witnesses are Moses and Elijah, who are coming back.

        I always say: I did not know Moses was standing on the Earth, as a lamp stand and an olive tree.

        If you do not think the Jews are the chosen people of God, just say it. This is the basic of replacement theology. That the promises are no longer with the Zionist Jews, but only with those who believe that Jesus is the Messiah.

        I believe this kind of theology is wrong.

        The Zionist Jews who have returned to Zion have not returned by the power of SATAN, but by the power of the Holy Spirit.

        They are a singular witness of a fateful Messiah to all the gentiles on the face of the Earth. Even those who do not acknowledge Him as the Messiah, but do not rule out that He might be the Messiah. I have meet quite a few “secular” Jews who say nice things about Jesus.

      9. Ivar, I also have heard many say it will be Moses and Elijah, as the two witnesses God sends…but that does not bear witness with the Word for Moses did die…and was buried..As all things I hear I try to see if The Word backs it up …meaning if it agrees with The Word for He has the final say…

        I also have heard about the ” theory of articles in the Tabernacle”…these like any other that is not fully understood, are put on the back burner and if and when The Holy Spirit will bring it forward for a better understanding, ..I wait…If you have an understanding of the ‘Two Witnesses’…I would appreciate it if you’d share it. I have also heard of ‘it’s not really 2 Men per say, but rather ‘(crazy how some preach) but rather it will be a Jew and a Gentile (Christian)…this came from a Baptist Preacher…which I did not get a witness that was the truth, nor does The Word say as much.

      10. Dear Andrea

        Shalom.

        This needs some theological clarifications, and some reasoning.

        1. Are the Jews still Gods chosen people?

        2. Is Israel re-birthed by the Holy Spirit?

        If the answer is yes, we absolutely have a God given witness (plural) in Jerusalem.

        Second:

        1. Are gentiles who believe in Jesus the Messiah also God’s chosen people?

        2. Have they been grafted?

        3. Do they understand that the Holy Spirit has re-birthed Israel?

        If the answer is yes, we also here have a witness all over the World (plurar)

        When these chosen people of God stand united in Jerusalem, we become two witnesses (plural). We will surely be hated by the rest. Both deceived Jews and gentiles will mock us, and eventually kill a lot of us. But we will be resurrected.

        Are Jews who reject that Jesus is the Messiah saved? Absolutely not. But they are still a witness of a faithful God, regathered by Him home to Jerusalem.

      11. Ivar no disrespect…please Just plain and simple…What does The Scripture tell us. …I see from The Word these 2 witnesses,
        1. are sent by God
        2. they have a mouth to speak
        3, fire comes out of their mouth
        4, they have feet,
        5. The Word calls them ‘prophets’
        6, they can and will be hurt because who and how they are hurt
        these people must be killed the same way
        7 they tormented people with the Truth
        8.. when they are done prophesying they will be ‘killed’ and laid in the Street in the City for people to see they are finally dead
        9, The World will send gifts to one another that these two are dead.
        10. No where in the Word does it say they are Women so I gather ‘they are Men.
        11. for a thousand two hundred and threescore they will ‘walk’ trod the holy city…(Jerusalem I am assuming).
        12. The Beast will make war with them, and over come them.and kill them.
        13…they will be clothed in sackcloth
        If I have left anything out…please let me kmow…if I am still thinking only on the ‘fact of 2 Witnesses and missing something
        you are trying to tell me please let me know. Perhaps others may also like to know. Sometimes we could get hung up on the ‘gnat’ and swallow a Mountain.. Hope this is not the case of the 2 Witnesses….Thank you in advance….for being patient and explaing to us.

        Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

        Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

        Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

        Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

        Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

        Revelation 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

        Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

        Revelation 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

        Rev 11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

        Revelation11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

        Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

        Revelation 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

        Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

        Revelation 11:14 he second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

      12. Dear Andrea.

        Shalom.

        As I have said: There are different views on this. I do listen, and I am a learner.

        When Jesus wants us to be baptized with fire, It is not to put us physically ablaze. I feel that the whole chapter 11 is valid, in reads to say that Zionist Jews who seeks for the Messiah, and gentiles who have found Him, are two witnesses (plural) standing united in Jerusalem.

        Let me also underline that more and more Zionist Jews accept Yeshua as the Messiah. Not so strange.

      13. Well, I do know that “Baptism with Fire” and have known Him, for many years…scares me to even think I went so long without “that Gift”…as for answering my question, I will at this time ‘yield’ to your opinion and keep both, your answer and mine on the back burner… for there is definitely something concrete in both. Enough not to reject either.
        Thank you for taking the time…sometimes we just have to be ready for the answer…like that missing piece of puzzle…(smile)..it soon is found and fits right into place…while all the other peices were needed to be in place to substantiate the missing piece..

      14. Actually I remember Ivar and I having a discussion like this a while back. I am one who believes that the two witnesses are Elijah, and Enoch. They were both taken to heaven, and have not died.

        Enoch walked with God. Elijah went in a chariot of fire.

        I can be wrong. It’s speculation. It’s interesting to discuss. Ivar and I agreed to disagree 🙂

        Because Christ is the most important.

  1. Their forefathers followed foreign gods, did wickedly and got punished for it, the present Isreal will not be left out if the continue to break the law of Moses which they claim to believe. Though, Isreal will be saved at the 2nd advent of Christ. I love Isreal and i pray for the peace of Isreal.

  2. I’d ”Shut it Down”…before I let ‘one dog’ defile it and be married there!
    It is truly terrible that ‘every Nation’ has chosen to give the crazed humanity what they want..and call it ”Rights”….when people ask me ”What about ‘their Rights’….I tell them they have ONLY ONE RIGHT..ORDAINED BY ALMIGHTY GOD…’To Repent and Believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ’…just like the rest of us…God is Holy He is not this wishy-washy-spineless-fairy-finger-flipping spawn of Satan…If they don’t want to take that Right that Jesus provided for them when He shed His precious Blood at Calvary…including the Land that His Blood dripped onto…Israel…if they don’t want that Right…they will have a Free Ticketed Escort to Hell!….However Israel ‘will’ get her eyes opened ‘with much sorrow’ when The Lord of Glory opens them ‘when that dastardly feign Satan sits in the Throne Seat that Israel believes will be the Messiah… but The laugh is on Satan, Their eyes will be opened then..and they will ‘not bow down to Satan…..
    What does ‘that…the Scripture have to do with the post’ that Ivar put up..it has everything to do with it…”IT IS THE WORD OF GOD..”
    always self-explanatory in every line…and life to all that cherish it and death to all that stumble over it to enter into the ‘Free Rights of Sin and it’s animalistic activity!

    1. His blood did not fall upon the land but flowed down into a crack in the bedrock witch was opend up by the earthquake at the momment of his death ,it then flowed down this six meter crack,into a cave and then upon the Arch of the Covenant /mercy seat witch had bean hidden there 600 years prior, completeing the sacrifice.You see JESUS was not killed by the hand of man but died of a broken heart,hence his legs were not broken as where the others , as he was already dead ,when the roman gaurd pearsed his spleen water and blood flowed out ,proof of a broken heart ,this is important because when Mosses offered up a spotless lamb without blemish for sacrifice he would sprinkel blood and water on the alter ,this same alter witch is the Arch of the covenant and throne of GOD witch also holds the ten commandments inside

      1. …..you said…You see JESUS was not killed by the hand of man but died of a broken heart,

        that’s good to get a crowd to fill the Church’s for the peple to ooo and awww …However..let’s see The Word’s version…where ”it pleased God for Jesus to suffer this…I did not find ‘it broke Jesus’ heart nor God hid his face from what ‘pleased Him’…this is most Holy…not an act of regret..but great in every way that we would be delivered back from the kindgom of Darkness that Adam sold us all into and translated into God’s Dear Son, there was no other way for God ordained how the ‘seed’ would reproduce it’s own kind before He laid down the foundation of the World and Satan banked on that Law…(so in Genesis 3 God told the Woman ‘your seed’…(smile) not Adams…for his was already by God’s Law sold to Satan …every man, woman, boy and girl …was born into sin..with no way out, …’Hallelujah but God had a plan, and He told us that plan from he beginning…”and it Pleased HIM’….to put Jesus on the Cross for ”all Man-kind” ….if you don’t see this, then that Gospel you do see is not going to be enough to blow your nose let alone keep you from turning your back on Jesus… because you ‘can’t take it anymore’ ….”what ever ‘it’ is!!

        One tid bit of Information also…when the Jews ‘shouted the loudest, Crucify Him, Let His blood be upon us and upon our children’…Rejoice for they had no clue they would be cleansd ‘by His Blood also and their children’…(hahahah Oh Praise Jesus)… we all are worthy of death, the wrath of God, but His pleasure at Calvary was the ‘Joy of the Lord’…His Great love for us…

        Drum Role Please…..For the Word’s version of (Grace)

        Isaiah 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

        Isaiah 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

        Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

        Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

        Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

        Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

        Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

        Isaiah 66:5 Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name’s sake, said, Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall be ashamed.

  3. The same thing happening in America, state after state legalizing gay marriage, media cheering then posts another photo of Obama hugging another man. Here today I see news of Obama giving a speech to the UN challenging world leaders to confront intolerance. It won’t be long now….

  4. Any nation that embraces what God has called an “abomination” is doomed. The murdering of infants (abortion is infanticide) and the free acceptance of homosexuality will surely bring God’s wrath on the nations. It has always been so in the past and will prove to be so once again. Just a little while longer. You can almost hear the steps of Messiah Jesus. He is coming soon and not only does He bring reward for His faithful followers, but He will be bringing His sword of judgment on the nations who flaunt their sin in His face.

    1. Amen….job3627 yes it is surfacing all that we have stood in the market places and told daily what is going to happen…Now we’ll see who will or will not ‘bow down’ to his king who has the support of the other World Leaders. to bring the World into One Order with No Boundaries. (which also is not new but is getting stronger to surface all the more…Rick Warren must be estatic with his hand in the ‘Muslims and Christians’ are ‘one’ …like Pharaoh Obama said today before the World…(the Unity Card will deceive many)

      It is amazing to me what I have just read in the past 15 minutes….Come on Ivar..(smile)… the World’s News is changing faster than you can print it up for us to read…Folks, hang on I think we’re all in for “One Ride”….and Brother Jude is the book that seems to stand out for me today!! ….Also the “famous 10” listed in the Bible….the ‘World devided up into 10 parts, with 10 Leaders one of each part…this has been around a while but been laughed and mocked at for sometime, all the while they have been working on it.

      France says….No longer putting Father &/or Mother on Birth Certificates, it offends the Homosexuals… the word ‘Parents’

      Delaware, USA…says …Parents who spank a 3 year old will get 2 years hard time, parents who spank under 18 will get 1 year of hard time…both will be listed as “Child Abusers”…the Law states, ‘anyone causing ‘any kind of “pain” to children ….

      ‘Requirements at Pharmacy to show and have it recorded your Drivers License to pick up for another and/or your own Medicine.
      This one appears as though it is not new, it is new according to the pharmacies who are ‘filling up and gathering for their Computers with Drivers License and/or State ID’s…

      Pharaoh Obama’s Speech ‘defending all that is against The Word of God’ in his own words of course…’twisting it’ and then calling it ”that’s what America stands for”….I’m talking to a Computer…I heard myself ‘shout..Not this Christian…..Not this American….Can we say ”Beam me up Scotty there is no life form down here’ (smile)…I pray for Strength for all who are faithful to The Lord Jesus Christ….and for those who will turn their backs on the World and follow The Lord Jesus Christ…get your eyes off of what these people have done and get them on what Jesus did for us all…that is our only hope…Trim your wicks, that your Oil will be not mixed with the vile, and will shine bright for when The Master returns at the Midnight Hour… there will be ‘many….millions’ who will continue to sell the ‘cheap oil’…Jesus gave His FREE by the shedding of His Blood….the cheap ones shed their taxes to be exempt to keep more of the money they get from you for their cheap oil they don’t suffer one ounce for the sheep they steal to get their money and goods..they would have you to ‘give them half or all of yours’ cause you know how to get it they don’t..(Look how selfish the 5 Virgins were…they refuse to get it the way The Lord told us all..but the 5 Righteous told the 5 Foolish Virgins to ‘go buy it from the ones who sell it in the Market Places…(there in the World they market their own religion)…we are to ‘Repent and Believe The Gospel of Jesus Christ…turn from your wicked ways Give God the Glory…

  5. Gen 19:1 And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
    Gen 19:2 And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant’s house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
    Gen 19:3 And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
    Gen 19:4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
    Gen 19:5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

    The same spirit that was in the people of Sodom is in the people of today. They just want to defile things.

      1. Hello Andrea, if you have any biblical insight on that subject, please share. I would also like to point out that Ivar is a grown man, I’m sure he can defend himself. Allow the man to respond to the rebuttal. Thanks.

      2. Hey I am not going to sit still when Truth is spoken….don’t care who speaks it for who ever is speaking it is ‘in agreement with The Lord for it is His Word…and The Spirit of Truth comes thru (smile)…when it (if it is) mis-quoted and I see it I will also speak up ..if you see it then by all means let me know..in the Spirit ‘not in the flesh’ Sweetums. …as for what I saw what Ivar said..it could be taken as other than what The Word said if one looks at it real fast and does a lot of assuming and don’t know The Word…(smile)

        ….Now if he meant…to say there was not going to be two…(2) Men to be witnesses and killed and they would lie dead in the street… then God would raise them on the 3rd day…..then I’d say ” I either mis-understood him ”or” he is mistaken…

        ..for as for me…The Word says ”all” must die…and according to The Word…only 2 (two) have not tasted Death….and that is Enoch, 7th from Adam…and …Elijah…of which Elijah was with Jesus on the Mt Transfiguration…

        As for what you are asking if I have anything to shine a light on ..please tell me what you are rerferring to…

        Isn’t this just totally awesome here we are in the Last Days working for a Penny (smile) a Day…and watching all that is taken place..
        Wow! and sharing His Word with all that will listen..I love it…

        If I shortened anything…then by all means please let me know…and beleive me I’ll be glad to say ”I made an error in speaking The Word of God…” †

      3. No I didn’t know I misquoted Ivar, but thanks for pointing it out. You made some great points in your post, now for crying out loud would you let the man speak for himself! thank you.

      4. Hey Sweetie. I’m not stopping him, he may think it’s foolish and not respond he may be busy…are you in a hurry? (smile).
        got somewhere to go?…hahaha..either way…since when are we ‘not’ able to respond to another’s post…..if it really offends you that I speak…I’m sorry…

        But what are you talking about…I said..I’ve said so much today (smile)…

        Another Preacher on another area, is crossing over the line, ( I sure do hope he stops)…when he ‘tells people’ who “to or not to” vote for…the government explicitly states…you could loose your ‘Tax Exempt Status’…of which would put a lot of these false Prophets out of a job and less ‘money’ to build compounds on the backs of the ‘Sheep’…(of course he crossed the line anyways along time ago…sad that so many will listen to him and beat the throne room of the ‘false Jesus’ for ‘the ‘Let’s take America back lie’) …

      5. Simon,

        Did you not see how you misquoted Ivar’d words? You shortened his statement to suit you. At the very least you should acknowledge your error.

  6. Ivar.

    I would have gone through the scriptures with you to prove you wrong, but Andrea has done a good job. Your accusation of me supporting replacement theology is totally unfounded and unfair. You are attempting to read into my post something I never said or implied.

    You on the other-hand are very unclear about what you mean by ‘chosen people’. It apears to mean to you that they are saved irrespective of their rejection of Christ. If you are unwilling to tell a Jew his Jewishness won’t save him, what good is your testimony?

    The fact that the Jews are gathering back in the promised land is a fulfillment of prophecy. But that does not make Christ rejecting Jews into witnesses to him, anymore than the surrounding Arab nations fulfilling prophecy makes them witnesses. Do you think God would send his wrath against people who are doing his will?

    Look at your own headline. You have correctly called it a homosexual attack on Messianic Jews. But it was an Israeli Court that supported that attack. Does that look like Jews are standing shoulder to shoulder with Christians? Or being witnesses for Christ?

    1. Dear philmayo7909

      Shalom.

      I have not accused you of supporting replacement theology. If I have even hinted at this, I do apology.

      I have also stated very clearly that there are many versions of what Chapter 11 really means. In the Pentecostal camp, a thin majority feels all believers are in Heaven after chapter 4. So they do not have to think and reflect on who these two witnesses are. Neither who the final antichrist will be.

      I have also underlined that many “secular” Jews speak nicely about Jesus, and do not rule out that He is the Messiah. On Sunday there was a global prayer day for Jews. All over the World the Jews were paying: Messiah, please come. They are now feeling the tribulation, and that hardly anyone stands with God’s chosen people.

      Even a self-hating Jew has been chosen by God. That do not imply that He is saved. If He reject that Jesus is the Messiah, He will perish.

      1. …..In the Pentecostal camp, that feels all believers are in Heaven after chapter 4…..Oh I had forgotten all about that theory….thanks for reminding me…

        I never intended for anyone to assume what I said as ‘proving you wrong or in error’ I was sincerely seeking what “I asked about”..and got an answer clearer. Many would have not taken the time and a lot would have after the first explanation would have been irritated and/or ignored it….but The Word always takes the time …even ‘in us’ with us…so if this person would ‘look’ and ‘listen’ they will also see The Holy Spirit at work for each of us and not against us. We are in dangersous times, we need this freedom to ask, interject and encourage confidence in the very Word that will get us through the days ahead whether they be soon or for us to pass on the Truth to others…Thanks!

      2. 1 JOHN 5: 6-11 This is he that came by water and blood ,even JESUS CHRIST:not by warer only ,but by water and blood ,And it is the Spirit that beareth witness because the Spirit is truth.For there are three that bear record in heaven,The Father,the Word and the Holy Ghost : and they are one .And there are three that bear witness in The earth,the Spirit ,and the water,and the blood :and these three agree in one ……here you have your two witnesses, you see the blood and water that flowed out from JESUS now rests on the mercy seat/Arch of the Covenent/ and in dew time GOD will reveal this to the world {DISCOVERIES OF RONN WYATT} dont be affraid have faith and research it for yourself

      3. Dean,

        Please stop promoting Ron Wyatt here, and start realizing that only Jesus can save you. Ron’s claims are ludicrous.

        He says he’s found: . the blood of Christ and that DNA analysis indicates that Christ was born of a virgin.

        There is absolutely no way Ron would have found something like that, and to even suggest it–is nuts!

        Matthew 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

      4. Gloria….Who is Ron Wyatt? and better yet, Do I really want to know…hahaha?? ..thought you were talking about Ron White, Paula White’s ex-husband….have a blessed day …

      5. Hi Andrea,

        Ron Wyatt seemed to have been a liar. Claiming he made discoveries such as the Noah’s Ark. But was more disturbing, was that he said he found the blood of Christ.

      6. thanks Gloria…Wow…and because he ‘found’ (said he did) the Blood of Christ..then that substantiates the Word of God as ‘being God’s Word’…hmm I have ran in many like that…many TV shows say the same thing…they have Proof…”they” have proof…like we will believe a Man and not God Himself…many will…
        Wow…(smile)….so the Catholics are into grave digging and this man is into ‘Blood letting” … ahhh that carbon thing they have been studying for years…to see if it is the rappings around Jesus…which sounded interesting except…the Scriptures said ”there was a ‘separate’ wrapping around his head” and it was folded smile..not strung out like TBN and many drap over the Cross in the Churchs’…

  7. I!am not promoting Ronn Wyatt, but his discoveries and there are maney!2 doing a chromazone count determand that he was born of a virgin .3 The bible suprts this in all its versus 4 this has nothing to do with Matthew 24:23 but everything to do with JOHN 5:6-11

    1. Dean,

      I hate to break it to you, but we already know Jesus was born to Mary (a virgin) by the Word of God. Ron Wyatt DID NOT break this news to us.

      Jesus Christ did.

      Matthew 1:18-25 Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. And her husband Joseph, being a just man and unwilling to put her to shame, resolved to divorce her quietly. But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet: …

      Again stop promoting Ron Wyatt.

      1 John 5:6-11
      6 This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not [a]with the water only, but [b]with the water and [c]with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 For there are three that testify: 8 [d]the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are [e]in agreement. 9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. 10 The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. 11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

      1 John 5:6-11 is about believing in God, about the father, son, and the holy spirit, and that God gave us eternal life- for those who accept Jesus Christ.

      Do not add to God’s Word.

  8. EXODUS 23.1 Thou shall not raise a false report:put not thine hand with the wicked to bee an unrightous witness…………….since you dont seem to understand the meening of GODS words let me put it in a simple contex for you ,It is against GODS laws and sinfull to acuse someone without proof ,of wrong doing and lying based on ones own speculation and hearsay.How many cursed and spat in the face of our Lord who did not know him,How many thru stones and scoffed at the deciples with there tales of wounders ,have you lost all hope in your fellow man ,do you think that it is not possible that there are honest men amungst us, and that GOD is guiding them in his work , Just because this world is full of evil does not mean there is no good ,one has to ask are you a person of faith or a person of opinion ?

    1. Dean,

      You are the one who claimed that Ron Wyatt found the blood of Christ on earth. You were the one that said you believed in Wyatt. I don’t. Jesus told us to “test the spirits.”

      1 John 4:1 says: Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

      Again, I will not believe what man says, but God.

      You said: is against GODS laws and sinfull to acuse someone without proof ,of wrong doing and lying based on ones own speculation and hearsay

      My comment: You were the one who’s promoting a man, who seems to have lived is life trying to find something, that he was never meant to. God’s blood?

      Your comment: How many cursed and spat in the face of our Lord who did not know him,How many thru stones and scoffed at the deciples with there tales of wounders ,have you lost all hope in your fellow man ,do you think that it is not possible that there are honest men amungst us, and that GOD is guiding them in his work , Just because this world is full of evil does not mean there is no good ,one has to ask are you a person of faith or a person of opinion ?

      My comment: Another one of Ron Wyatt’s claims is that he found the exact site where Jesus was crucified. In the grand scheme of things, I could imagine how much Ron made with his false claims.

      Dean, turn away from these countless lies that Ron Wyatt has promoted. YOU just need to look at JESUS, not man. I once had a man who grabbed my hand (without my approval) and claimed he could tell my future. In Jesus name, I rebuked him, and he sat there stunned. There are many who do things against God’s will. And though you don’t like what I have to say, I will keep saying the truth. I still have hope in mankind, the ones who are alive and breathing. My hope is that they realize Jesus is King and Savior.

      ONLY CHRIST CAN SAVE YOU, NOT MAN AND HIS MADE UP DISCOVERIES.

      God Bless.

      1. Thank you Gloria….Amen! ….sometimes I get so tired of these Street Corner Hawkers of Self importance with God …I rarely say what I have done for there are always some who would ‘one up’ you to give Satan Glory and not Jesus Christ..for all that I have done or should say ‘allowed to do’…was of The Lord and not I…He is so awesome so utterly wonderful…I love to just sit and listen to people tell how wonderful Jesus is…not the mixture of he got me out of this or that sin,…no…far above that though thank God he did..but the times of just bathing in His presence…How was your day Lord? Sorry you had to see all the suffering and hear all the cries of the victims of greed…if He is truly our Friend and Father and Lord( and he is)…we value far more of His thinking and His wishes for His people, for His desire for Israel, to come into her own and know that HE was and is forever with Israel and the World will know that Jesus Christ of Nazareth is The Messiah…being thankful to be near and with Him, just loving on him, not asking for anything…for truly when we have Him…we have more than enough…and He gives us brothers and sisters who love him just as much and love His sheep just as much…Come Quickly Lord Jesus, Come quickly we lift our hands and hearts unto The Kiing…\o/ ..†

      2. Just to make it clear to other readers I do not follow Ronn Wyatt but trust the overwelming evidance of archaological research and who are you to decide the will of GOD .I am starting to worry about you Gloria I do not wish for you to continualy break GODS laws trying to change my mind . I do of course relize your efforts are honrable, but I think its better we beg to differ and let GOD be the judge

      3. Amazing how easy it is…(smile)…..
        One lifts up..dirt, rocks to prove the existance of Jesus….
        One seeks man proven science of the existance of Jesus
        Another praises Jesus for His saving and loving them…
        And you Dean are starting to worry about Gloria?
        While she prays for you!

  9. and how truly blessed you ladys are, because you had the good fortune to be born into a culture where the teachings of JESUS were handed to you on a plate .what opertunety do woman have of salvation who are raised in the heart of a musslim state ,Do you not think that in GODS great wisdom he will abandon these lost souls without giveing them a fair chance at salvation .OH and where in the bible does it condem a man of proveing his faith or proveing the bible to be an acurate acount of our history and then shareing that evidance with people less fortunate than ourselves JESUS was not ofended when his own deciple needed proof by that of his wounds that he had resarected from the dead, It would seam that you ladys are not disscusing but preaching the Word of GOD and one can find a preacher under every rock!

    1. Dean,

      Are you a Christian? what denomination are you?

      The teachings of Jesus were never handed to me on a plate. I have Christian parents, who always believed in Christ. And so when they had 5 children, they taught us that only Christ can save. They taught us many things, with the most importantthing being Jesus Christ. The Bible says to bring up your children in the way of the Lord, and that’s what they did.

      Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, all who do not believe in Christ, have a chance of repenting and accepting him. The Bible also says the “Word” will be preached to the world, before his coming.

      Matthew 24:14 “And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a witness to all the nations, and then the end shall come.”

      In the end of your comments, you are going back to Ron Wyatt.

      You have to admit this man was a little nuts. He claims, “He was with 4 angels in then room underneath the cross he excavated to, and he was to take the two tablets that were in the ark in that room and show them to the world.”

      The world never saw this!

      1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test everything. Hold on to the good.

      1. he never said he would show them to the world, but they would be reveild in dew time .Its my opinion and many others that the Arch of the covenent ,the ten commandments held within, and the blood of JESUS upon the mercy seat is the witness in Matthew 24:14 The bible speaks of two witnesses 1 JOHN 5:6-11 Please understand that I am not trying to convince anyone of my opinion ,if I was I would be suplying links ,I just want my fellow followers of JESUS to investigate for themselves and then come to there own concluetions !The verse you suplied suports this. I dont belong to any relligion, church or denomination and never have

      2. Sweetheart you are a danger to yourself and to others, who know less….you appear as though you want the Truth…that is good ….keep searching…spend more time in prayer and less time in the ‘links on the computer’…these people don’t walk the dog and they don’t do windows (smile) neither did they die a horrible death on the cross just for you! yes just for all of us even those who profit off of God’s children that were kidnapped by Satan and filled them full of lies..and dreams of things that are full of poison…
        Go read what God says a Man of God is…that in itself is a miracle..go read what a Woman of God is that too is not sought by many, they think they can do better than God…go read what God says about little boys and little girls…you’ll never follow are share anything but ‘about Jesus’ from His Word..for until ‘you know Him you can’t share the pictures in your walled of hearts…then you’ll see that many don’t want to see your treasures…they have ‘the exciting links from someone else that was rebellious of heart seeking to make a profit thinking they are doing God a service when it is not The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob…He loves you so much….

      3. Actually the verse I have supplied Matthew 24 and the whole chapter is Jesus telling us the signs of the end. The gospel preached to the whole world is a sign of the end.

        I think we have went round and round on this thing with Wyatt. You choose to believe a man, who has never proven any of this findings, and some of those supposed findings are ridiculous. I will not debate further with you on this. You have hardened your heart, and do not see the wrong in following man.

        I pray that Jesus touch your heart Dean, and that you see the truth in this.

        God Bless.

  10. ok Gloria but we should always let GOD have the last word MALACHI 3.1-5 Behold I will send my messenger,and he shall prepare the way before me:and the lord,whom ye seek,shall sudenly come to his temple,even the messenger of the covenent ,whom ye deight in:behold,he shall come,saith the lord of Hosts

      1. Todd, be careful how you limit the Scriptures for only one thing.. The Holy Spirit has ways to shine His Light upon any of them to lift up Jesus to us all even to the heathens…I have personally found and heard so many say this verse is that and this is such and such and some of it is not for today…..if I had that kind of Bible, I’d throw it in The Garbage….and get the One that The Lord said ”every verse is for us for all we need in all things…. (though the way Dean is using it makes no sense, other than ‘yes The Lord should have the last say’ …(smile) and His Word used correctly by ‘The Spirit’ is the last word (smile)

        2Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

        2Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

        Sorry I’m getting so tired and sleepy, I’ll say goodnight, nice to see you again….I see several of the older ones (longer in here than I) are returning…I’m glad..I’m glad! †

  11. Just proven : you all read the Bible as the laws of Caesar wipes away humanity with the support of men of power who say they pray to God. Power and principality is winning

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