Pope stress need for unity with Lutherans and Anglicans

Benedict XVI’s has decided to meet his former students for a discussion about ecumenical relations, especially Catholic relations with Anglicans and Lutherans.

The Pope wants to be the Pontifex Maximus for the worlds Lutherans, represented by LWF-president Munib A. Younan

This event demonstrates the importance he gives to the search for Christian unity, Cardinal Christoph Schönborn of Vienna has said.

The Pope’s former doctoral students will base their discussions on retired German Cardinal Walter Kasper’s book, Harvesting the Fruits, a comparative collection of the agreements reached in theological dialogues with the Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodists and Reformed communities since Vatican II.

As Pope Benedict has taught, the theological discussions with other Christians must be “a dialogue in truth and charity”, the cardinal said, and one that “does not conceal the drama of division among Christians in Europe and, as a consequence, all over the world”.

Source: Catholic Herald.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/08/31/ecumenism-is-of-primary-importance-to-the-pope-says-cardinal-schonborn/

My comment:

All the Church reformers belled the Pope as an antichrist. Therefore it is a spiritual crime to accept the Pope as a Christian leader. The Pontiff can not be both an antichrist and a Christian.

 2 John 1:7
Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

The Lutheran Church will eventually be lead into renouncing the wisdom of the Reformation, and accept that Martin Luther was an heretic.  Todays Lutheran Bishop represent an apostate and corrupt Church. These Bishops are no longer disciples of Jesus the Messiah, but has walked away from faith.   If they do not repent, they will face eternal condemnation for their betrayal of the Word of God.

Written by Ivar

 

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14 thoughts on “Pope stress need for unity with Lutherans and Anglicans

  1. Shalom Ivar, you said and I quote: (The Pontiff can not be both an antichrist and a Christian.) Congratulations! you’v asked the million dollar question.

    My response: Yes he can! Yes he will! and Yes indeed he is the anti-messiah and a Christian. Why do you think churchianity bow to him at the drop of a dime? The “Holy Roman Empire” created Christianity!!!!! Surprise!

    Constantine the war general and pope changed the Laws of Yahweh Daniel 7:25 and made it a death penalty to worship on Saturday the true Sabbath -(enter the inquisitions)

    Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots, and her daughters? who can her daughters be? Didn’t most if not all denominations of Protestantism evolve from the Catholic church?

    — The three largest groups of Christianity are the Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the various denominations of Protestantism. The Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox patriarchates split from one another in the East–West Schism of 1054 AD, and Protestantism came into existence during the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century, splitting from the Roman Catholic Church — wikipedia

    People are in for a rude awakening.

  2. popes have always claimed to be christians, this is the baffling mystery, how so many can be deceived by such cruel and blatant lies….. In fact the papacy has consistently been the worst enemy of real christianity. They have systematically persecuted true Biblical righteousness, instituted ungodly politicised forms of control, promoted an official policy of anti-semitism (“tastefully” presented as replacement theology) and been willing to murder any person or persons (gentile or Jew) who rejected papal dogma. Ask the protestant martyrs (almost 300 of them) who were burned alive between 1555/1558 in England and Wales. They knew that popery was a diabolical religious error and refused to yield to its demands.

    With respect Simon kepha, you are in for a rude awakening, when you and the multitudes of catholic people who think the pope represents christianity realise he is in fact the anti christ-and never was-or could have been, a genuine christian.

    The even bigger rude awakening (for Israel and the Jews) will be the realisation that Yeshua, the Messiah, was here already 2000 years since, and they will get a revelation of this (Zechariah 12 and 13). They will have to swallow the bitter knowledge that all their efforts to be observant Jews, wherever they ended up after the dispersion post 70 AD, to obey the law etc, will prove to have been in vain. The GIFT of righteousness had been there all along…But Yeshua WILL return to Israel (not rome) and will restore and revive the Jewish people, they will find cleansing in the blood of Yeshua the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.
    shalom, Jonathan

    1. Shalom Jonathan, I don’t think the Pope is a Christian, I know he’s a Christian, they created Cristianity, just google it or better yet call the Vatican, they don’t deny it, they brag about it.

      Ohhh the irony, the head of Christianity is also the one that persecute it.
      If anybody can look these things up, but they don’t they rather defend their stance. Look it up! research it and see which side of you stand.

      Question, the Messiah was a Hebrew, his disciples were Hebrews, they’ve never heard the name Jesus Christ before, who were they? what did they call themselves?

      1. Dear Simon Kepha.

        Shalom.

        I did not like your comment claiming there is no “Christians” on the face of the Earth, only antichrists who worship “Jesus”, a Catholic invention.

        This kind of comments are not welcomed on this site.

        Now I have warned you.

        Please respect that there are many who worship the Messiah, who not understand Hebrew. The Messiah is the author of all languages, and He can be worshiped by pore people in India, who do not know where to place Israel on the map. They will be taken away in the rapture, while you might be left behind.

        Please repent from your Hebrew root deceptions, and beg for mercy for your anti-Christian comments.

  3. Shalom Simon

    Your comment inspired a few thoughts, not set out in any particular order.

    With respect, if you accept that the papacy is the true voice of christianity, you have swallowed a big lie, you have been deceived by satan, the liar and father of all lies. The catholic religion is a long standing neo pagan deception which has cunningly adopted certain elements of the language of the bible, yet by its very doctrines and actions DENIES the truths of what it means to live in authentic biblical righteousness, because it was founded on pagan principles (idol feasts etc) to appeal to pagan peoples without them needing to have a real spiritual conversion and to be born again

    The popes are primarily power and attention seeking meglamaniacs, who created (and viciously enforced) catholicism-an apostate religious system that facilitates their ready acquisition of tremendous centralised power and wealth, they did not promote true christianity.

    Jesus wore a tallit…..

    The popes impudently claim to represent Yeshua on earth, yet have made careers out of persecuting Yeshuas people, this is why many protestants were burned alive, as I mentioned previously.

    The early messianic community was, as you correctly said, headed by a Jewish messiah/Rabbi, Yeshua. He was and is for ever the Lamb of God-one that doesnt remind a jew once a year of their sins-but actually takes their (and gentile) sins away completely by His holy blood. He was condemned to death, died the death of a condemned criminal, then was raised to life again 3 days later.

    The early believers were all converted Jews, they recognised the messiah Yeshua, but the scribes and pharisees (ie JEWISH popery) DIDNT.

    The JEWISH apostles were told to begin taking the JEWISH gospel to the goyim gentiles, who were also converted to Christ.

    In the ensuing decades and centuries, inherent antipathy of the pagan culture to Judaism meant that the Jewishness of the Messiah and the early church was resented, defamed and suppressed, to the point where the by then predominantly romanist politicised and state controlling “church” was openly and proudly anti semitic, devising a so called replacement theology to eg justify restriction of Jewish civil rights, confiscation of Jewish properties, expulsion from various “christian” lands, and of course as a justification for the genocidal pogroms. Pagans have always loved having a pogrom, its a chance to let blood flow, and attack Gods covenant people……

    The ongoing effect of this official anti jewish policy was to promote the lie that the “church” (romanist of course) was THE supreme and only manifestation of Gods favour on earth, and had totally replaced Israel, that suspicious tribe of “christ killers” who by rejecting Jesus were forever finished, under gods wrathful judgements and deserving of brutal persecutions.

    The socio-political and religious influences behind this activity caused people to think that Judaism and Christianity are entirely unrelated. But this is the big lie of romanist religion. It is at the same time as close to, and as far from, authentic christianity as you can get.

    My Bible teaches me that, as a gentile, I am a wild shoot grafted into the natural root of Israel. Through faith in Yeshua I share in the commonwealth of Israel. The blessings promised to Father Abraham, I receive them BY FAITH in Yeshua who redeemed me by His blood. True christianity cannot exist without Judaism, couldnt even have been birthed.

    Yeshua is the fulfilment of the Mosaic law, he satisfied its RIGHTEOUS requirements. The promises of salvation, (which is of the Jews), were given to Abraham, Isaac Israel etc. Jesus was born a jew, raised a jew, died an observant Jew. This cannot be denied, except by those romanists and others under their influence, who persist in maintaining that Israel has been replaced by the church. To be anti semitic is to be anti Christ.

    I take the view that authentic bible christianity will re emerge only when the jewish roots are once again embraced, valued and celebrated.

    “Why remember, that you being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus you who sometimes were far off are made near by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of two one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both to God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were near. For through him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone”

    Shalom, Jonathan

  4. I agree with you Jonathan, you raise alot of valid points, here is a point worth considering, the doctrine that the “Law” has been done away with, is a teaching of the Roman Catholic church. Surprise!!

    Let’s examine the biblical proof shall we: Daniel 7:25 Amplified Bible

    And he shall speak words against the Most High [God] and shall wear out the saints of the Most High and think to change the time [of sacred feasts and holy days] and the LAW;

    The entire body of Christianity follow this teaching that the “Law” was done away with. Including yourself. This is what prompted John to write in Revelation 12:9 that Lucifer has managed to deceive the whole world. The whole world is deceived into thinking they don’t need to keep the Law. Do you know of any church that keep the “Law” let alone teach it?

    But your bible tells you that the “Elect” the Called out Ones will keep his Commandments, statutes, Judgement and every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Yahweh.

    What did the Messiah say about this, lets’ rely on the scriptures for our answers not what we feel, Matthew 5:17

    Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    Here it is in black and white but these lying preachers including the pope keep telling their congregation that the Law was abolished. Are you calling our Messiah Ruler and King a liar? are you?

    The meaning of fulfill here is to “obey” to live it perfectly as a shinning example to follow.

    The Law says: A man should not have sexual relations with another man.

    If the Law was abolished, then what right do we have to prosecute the sodomite or the thief because the same Law says do not steal.

    Won’t you be upset if someone seduces your wife into an affair?

    The Law says : you must not have sexual relations with another mans wife.

    but hey! don’t listen to me, I’m just a deceived god worshiping cult.

  5. Shalom Simon

    “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, Till heaven and earth pass, one stroke or one pronunciation mark shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED”
    Matthew 5:17-18
    Jesus “fulfilled all” by restoring righteousness, so sinners could be escaped from their cursed adamic condition, fulfilling the RIGHTEOUS rquirements of the law. He set aside the sacrifice of bulls, goats, sheep etc and instead presented HIMSELF as a sinless perfect Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world.

    “Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS”.
    Matthew 22:35-40
    Jesus simplifies things, religious people over-complicate them.

    “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”
    Romans 3:20-23

    As I mentioned earlier, the early church, the jewish church, grew apart from the gentile church. They became seperate. Anti semitism was one cause. Another was the influence of “judaisers” who tried to put authentic biblical righteousness under the yoke of legalistic righteousness. Compelling gentiles to be circumcised, adopt ceremonial washing rules, instead of being justified by faith alone, that type of thing. The apostle Peter had problems in this respect, as did the Galatians too:-

    “O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ has been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are you so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel to Abraham, saying, In you shall all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that does them shall live in them. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith”
    Galatians 3:1-14

    “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; so that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, If you, being a Jew, live after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compel you the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified”.
    Galatians 2:11-16
    Does any of this help?
    Are you born again believer yet?
    shalom, Jonathan

    1. Wow, if I got a dime for every time someone quoted this rhetoric. You are accusing the Catholics of being deceivers, yet you are preaching the same lies that they’ve established. Don’t you see that there is something wrong with this picture?

      You quote me Galatians; who murdered Paul? The Romans.
      who murdered the Messiah? The Romans, Why?
      Who murdered Simon Kepha (Peter) the Romans
      All 12 disciples except John were murdered by the Romans WHY?

      And you actually believe the Romans didn’t have a hand in altering the bible to mean what they want it to mean. Surely you’re not that naive are you?

      Paul was one of them, a high ranking Roman officer why would they murder him?????

      Because he taught the Law! the Messiah taught the Law, all the Apostles and Disciples taught the Law! that’s all they knew, they didn’t have the New Testament to confuse them, the New testament wasn’t put together til 150 AD by WHO?

      You guessed it. The Holy Roman Empire, they fooled you again.

      The Holy Roman Empire is the “Beast” Daniel saw. the “Mark of this Beast” is in it’s authority. By removing the Laws of Yahweh which is the “Mark of the Creator” they caused the many to receive the Mark of this Beast. Notice that don’t make you or force anyone to get the Mark, the simply caused it. Cause and Effect.

      I’m not arguing with you, I’m just passing on the message. What you do with it is your choice, the prophecy won’t change to suite you or the Romans.

      1. Simon.

        Shalom, and praise Jesus the Messiah.

        This is the second warning. You have to repent from your Hebrew roots deceptions, or you will be banished from this site.

      2. Dear Simon

        Shalom, and praise Jesus.

        You wrote:

        Because he taught the Law! the Messiah taught the Law, all the Apostles and Disciples taught the Law! that’s all they knew, they didn’t have the New Testament to confuse them, the New testament wasn’t put together til 150 AD by WHO?

        My reply:

        This is not a comment from a true follower of Yeshua, but from a follower of a copy cat. If you do not believe the Word of God to be the highest authority in matters of faith, you will not be permitted to continue commenting on this site.

        The worst form of falsehood, are false brethren who mingle into Churches and fellowships where people worship God of Israel in spirit and in truth. They worship the Messiah, not His law.

        Both the Messiah and Paul the Apostle told us to have nothing to do with false teachers, who lead people into the eternal fire of Hell.

        You present to us a false gospel, that is not based on mercy and grace. But try to bring us all back under the curse of relaying on the Law to obtain righteousness, rejecting the redemption that comes by the blood of Jesus, alone.

  6. Shalom brothers,

    Our friend Simon forgets that there were men before Yeshua’s time in the flesh, who were “friends” of the Creator long before the “Law” was instituted. 2 even bypassed death (Enoch and Elisha). They were not under the law. Our Father had not even made the convenent of the Law in their day. Abraham “believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Hello? The Law does not save, but was a teacher and a witness against the people. People really need to read their Bible cover to cover, page one to ??? The version does not matter, in large part, because God knows all language, he created the different tongues. But that is another subject.

    God’s blessing on you brothers,

    Rebecca

  7. Outrageous Claims Made For The
    Pope!
    Not only are outlandish claims,
    such as those above, made
    regarding the authority of the
    pope, but he is addressed by
    various terms (Supreme Pontiff,
    Holy Father, etc.) which belong
    only to God. No such terms were
    given to a mere man in the holy
    Scriptures. The term “Holy Father”
    is used only once in God’s word. It
    is used by Jesus in John 17:11 as
    He prayed to God the Father. For a
    mere man to assume the authority
    and titles which belong only to
    God, is surely the height of
    arrogance and blasphemy. If not,
    why not?
    1. The New York Catholic
    Catechism, under: Pope,
    says, “The Pope takes the
    place of Jesus Christ on
    earth…by divine right the
    pope has supreme and full
    power in faith and morals
    over each and every pastor
    and his flock. He is the true
    Vicar of Christ, the head of
    the entire church, the father
    and teacher of all Christians
    He is the infallible ruler, the
    founder of dogmas, the
    author of and the judge of
    councils; the universal ruler
    of truth, the arbiter of the
    world, the supreme judge of
    heaven and earth, the judge
    of all, being judged by one,
    God himself on earth.”
    2. In his encyclical, “The
    Reunion of
    Christendom” (1885), Pope
    Leo XIII stated that the pope
    holds “upon this earth the
    place of God Almighty.”
    3. The Council of Trent
    declared: “Sitting in that
    chair in which Peter, the
    Prince of the Apostles, sat to
    the close of life, the Catholic
    Church recognizes in his
    person the most exalted
    degree of dignity, and the
    full jurisdiction not based on
    constitutions, but emanating
    from no less authority than
    from God Himself. As the
    Successor of St. Peter and
    the true and legitimate Vicar
    of Jesus Christ, he therefore,
    presides over the Universal
    Church, the Father and
    Governor of all the faithful,
    of Bishops, also and of all
    other prelates, be their
    station, rant, or power, what
    they may be.”
    4. The Catholic book, “My
    Catholic Faith” which is
    based on the Baltimore
    Catechism, on page 251,
    says, “The Pope can make
    and unmake laws for the
    entire Church; his authority
    is supreme and
    unquestioned. Every bishop,
    every priest, every member
    of the Church is subject to
    him.”

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