Perverted Bishop misled Irish child abuse probe

“Bishop Magee hugged a 18 year old seminarian, kissed him on the forehead and told him he had dreamt about him”.

The present Pope accepted the resignation of Bishop John Magee, but did not fire him for being gay nor because his sexual abuse of boys.

A former senior bishop from Northern Ireland deliberately misled the authorities in the Republic and failed to report clerical abuse allegations as recently as three years ago, a damning report has said.

John Magee, a Vatican aide to three Popes, (papal secretary) has been blamed for ignoring complaints against priests in the Diocese of Cloyne in Co Cork as recently as 2009 and failing to follow official protection rules.

The Newry-born man gave his second-in-command Monsignor Denis O’Callaghan, who admits he was more concerned with the plight of abusive priests than victims, a free hand to defy an edict to report all accusations.

Both Bishop Magee and the Monsignor, the vicar general in Cloyne, refused to co-operate with a garda inquiry into abuse in 2006
When reports of failures in Cloyne first emerged in 2009 Cardinal Sean Brady, Ireland’s most senior Catholic cleric, insisted Magee should not resign.

At the time, Magee was being investigated over inappropriate behavior with an 18-year-old who was considering joining the priesthood. Bishop Magee hugged him, kissed him on the forehead and told him he had dreamt about him.

Source: Belfast Telegraph

My comment:

It is laughable, that the Roman Catholic Church is against homosexual priests, and against homosexuals being permitted to marry.

How can three Popes have a homosexual secretary, without knowing he was gay?

Most likely because the Popes are gay themselves. Gay Bishops become gay Cardinals, and obviously elect a gay Pope. And a gay Pope with gay cardinals around him, will obviously elevate gay priests to the posts of Bishops. It is not more complicated than this.

The truth is that this perverted Roman Catholic gay priesthood, cover up for each others perversions and sexual crimes. They burn with passion for each other.

And if possible, even worse: They become completely diseased, because their wicked public opposition to “homosexual priests”.  In public, they try their best to maintain their image of being heterosexual men, who have chosen to live in celibacy.

 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.  For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

It must be said that there are Roman Catholic priests who are not gay.  Quite a few of them burn with passion for women only. But many of them are bisexuals. They have had forced sex with both priests and nuns. Many of these deceived and abused women secretly had to go for abortions. This dark chapter of the Vatican has still not been exposed in public.

The Catholic society kept these perverts doing their dirty business with their own children, hid the shameful truth, becoming completely perverted itself. If Catholics do not confess, repent and tell the truth about the crimes of their priests, they will all take their sins with them the whole way to Hell.  

First published: 15th of July 2011.

Written by Ivar

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84 thoughts on “Perverted Bishop misled Irish child abuse probe

  1. How can three Popes have a homosexual secretary, without knowing he was gay?…There is so much evil and corruption in many denominations including the Pope’s not knowing someone is ‘gay’…in the 1940’s, 1950’s, & 1960’s ‘Men of the Cloth and anyone of the ‘Established Powers that be’ could do as they pleased as long as they did not Rock the Boat or as was said, did not bring others to light in their ‘fun’ or ‘weird ways’…FACT! And I don’t believe it has changed today, rather that I do believe that God is bringing to light this ignorance of the people accepting the crimes of others in any form of established (accepted) Church. Today in a specific place in USA there is a Child that has almost been admitted to a Hospital for the Insane due to Lord knows what is wrong with that child, but even the Natural World knows there is a Fox in the Hen House hurting that child.

  2. Out of your minds you are talking about yourselves. What do you know about people? What are you talking about? Yourselves or others? Whichever it is you are showing what kind of minds you have.I pray that you will be healed yourselves of your evil way of judging others. Then you may learn to know yourselves and see that you too are part of any evil there is in the world. No abuse of children or adults is against God’s Law of Love that is written in everyone’s heart including yours. So when you condemn without knowledge you are offending against the Law of Love that is written in your hearts too.

  3. Question:

    If these incidents of forced sex by priests on nuns and forced abortions are true and have not been exposed to the public by the church, how do you know about it then?
    Also: how do you know that many priests are homosexual or bisexual? Everything that you wrote in your opinion section is unsubstantiated.
    When you have legitimate evidence supporting this, i’d like to see that.

    I just don’t quite understand where you get off saying these things with no proof!
    I’ll admit that there are instances of the OCCASIONAL gay priests and/or sexual abuse, but you make it sound like 99% of Catholic priests are ‘”evil homos”, which they are not.

    1. Dear satanicwhorelover and mike walker

      Shalom.

      The Pope is an antichrist, who make a mockery out of the true faith.

      Please take a look at the skull and bones files on this blog:

      https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/

      Also the files with records to the thousands of sex crimes committed by bishops ad priest, who submit to the Pope.

      https://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-rapes-and-sexcrimes/

      You need to read the Bible, to find the truth about Jesus. Do not look what wicked people have done, or do in his name.

      Before you have studied the files I have linked up to you, it will be fruitless to continue this debate.

      1. Fruitless?
        Those links that you’ve provided are more “articles” that you’ve written. They’re direct links to other parts of your blog. I won’t waste my time, thank you. I’ll take an outside source, if you can offer that.

      2. Ivar you need exorcism, and Pope can establish that.

        He can even establish that you are Baptized in God’s Spirit by Free fall (and Church can ordain you as well, if you will).

        Pope is household of David and he has Spirit of God, he has no spirit of Anti-Christ nor is he one. He is just a sinner, as all human beings are.

        Spirit if Anti-Christ is more in Jews that are under generational (or personal) blasphemy of God’s Spirit…

        Awww…Do you even understands these things. False-Christ is in Gentiles that are under Blasphemy of God’s Spirit (generationally or personally).

        I hear, “No, he is deaf and blind and cannot judge without Spirit of God.”

        Ivar just repent and shun away from judging the Church under the Spirit of God.
        Judge not that which you do not understand.

      3. Wasn’t this record played once before?? Wake me when the song is over….(smile)

        You said…”You not even Catholic Church, and you are not my concern, at all. You should let Catholics clean up their own crap, and they know well how to do that.”

        Sweetheart, the World knows the Catholic Church can clean up their own crap…they transfer the sexual deviates who rape little boys, girls, nuns to another location for ‘fresh meat’…yes I said that! because wolves are always looking for ‘fresh meat after they have devoured the meat off the bones of the prey (children)…

        YOU need to repent and turn to Jesus Christ before you fall in the lake of Fire with the rest of the Satanic spawned breeds of Hell who reject The Gospel of Jesus Christ and made up their own gospel and blasphemes all that is Holy for the ignorant, unlearned and seekers of justification for their sins. For centuries hindering all who would come to hear of The LORD GOD.

        Revelation 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

        Revelation 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

        Isaiah 1:5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.

        Isaiah 1:6 From the sole of the foot even unto the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrifying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.

        Isaiah 55:1 Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

        Isaiah 55:2 Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in fatness.

      4. kfisher:

        Your comment: Pope is household of David and he has Spirit of God, he has no spirit of Anti-Christ nor is he one. He is just a sinner, as all human beings are.

        My comment: The pope thinks he is a Holy Father, and according the Word of God, there is one only father: The God of Israel and All.

        kfisher: Do you even understand that the Catholic church commit many sins without repenting? Do you even understand that Jesus Christ is the only one who can save you, not mary or the pope can save you?

        Repent now before it is too late.

        Galatians 5:19-21
        Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    2. Satanticwhorelover,

      Your comment: Also: how do you know that many priests are homosexual or bisexual?

      My Comment: Do you not read the news? There have been numerous priests exposed because of their disgusting rape of children.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

  4. satanicwhorelover, we are told not to cast our pearls amongst swine, so I am sure you can understand Ivar’s problem when it comes to debating with your goodself !

      1. Hello ‘Hi’ to you too (smile)
        You said…”I am Charismatic Roman Catholic,”
        char·is·mat·ic
        [ kàrriz máttik ]
        having charisma: possessing great powers of charm or influence
        seeking direct spiritual experiences: describes Christian groups or worship characterized by a quest for inspired and ecstatic experiences such as healing, prophecy, and speaking in tongues
        ec·stat·ic
        [ ik státtik ]
        delighted: showing or feeling great pleasure or delight
        dominated by emotion: completely dominated by an intense emotion
        somebody subject to trances: somebody who experiences spells of intense emotion

        Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

        Luke 20:47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

  5. Ivar you have no peace in Christ Jesus of Nazareth.
    Roman Catholic Church loves holy and celibate priesthood, but the problem is not holy and celibate priesthood in Roman Catholic Church…the problem is priesthood that is not ordained (Just like you are not properly ordained Ivar) –you are judging something outside God’s will power according to your natural inclination and natural knowledge.
    Why don’t you put on Spirit of God, and the Mind of Christ? (You almost sound like a prophet; yet, you are not).
    Holy and celibate priesthood knows all that which is wrong, and hand them over to devil and judgment according to the Gospel. (This is more beneficial for the Holy Church, and the wicked in the Church, in the long run). There is only one enemy to the Church, and that is devil. Roman Catholic Church is a suffering Church because it is a world-wide Body… just as is enter US church (only believers) as corporate…
    Pamper-bell Jezebel is a bad principality when not chased out by valid Evangelism. (It is a vicious spiritual reality that you cannot beat in your own will-power). Bla, bla, bla…Ancient Greco-Roman is ancient Greco-Roman somewhat like in Nazi-spirit and somewhat spirit of racism.
    There are only Jews and Gentiles in the Church—there is nothing else in the world but Jews and Gentiles.
    I love to mock (I am charismatic) and catholic woman that was “ordained” by wicked pagan-charismatic- evangelicals due to Church disorder. Ups and hoot they were not able to practice satanic confirmation over the holy seed, but I can see spiritual realities of “HE, HE, HE—HE HE!!!!” I just love to mock the witchcraft.
    In Roman-Catholic Church there is a Church order, and things are on TAP in this point in time. No one can do more than which is appointed by God. I assure you that.
    I am Charismatic Roman Catholic, just as Holy priest are…I can tell you all that is wrong with you and I can judge your works that are in the ways of hell…but am I really called by God to do that?
    You not even Catholic Church, and you are not my concern, at all. You should let Catholics clean up their own crap, and they know well how to do that.

    1. kfisher,

      Your comment: Holy and celibate priesthood knows all that which is wrong, and hand them over to devil and judgment according to the Gospel. (This is more beneficial for the Holy Church, and the wicked in the Church, in the long run). There is only one enemy to the Church, and that is devil. Roman Catholic Church is a suffering Church because it is a world-wide Body… just as is enter US church (only believers) as corporate…

      My Comment: You call them holy, yet it is only Jesus Christ that is holy. You call them celibate, when some attack young children in the most vilest of ways.

      You need to read the Word of God, and realize that the Catholic church is filled with demons, and pagan rituals.

  6. Gloria you have a mind of a Moran…
    As Roman-Catholic, I have a degree in Religion/Theology (evangelical) but that is Moran too. (It was something that I was doing and I was not justifiably appointed to do…lol, lol). I just happened to be there and indulge in witchcraft. 🙂 🙂 Lol, lol
    I only recognize Church Evangelical that has Church Order and is fully baptized in God’s Spirit to be valid as church individual. Their teaching office is in the mind of mature and Baptized in God’s Spirit. (I only know few Evangelical Churches that are valid in the whole land, and I fellowship with them whenever I can…they are on TAP and I CAN DO THAT, as Catholic and not be deceived by false teachers and prophets who interpret the Scripture in spirit of witchcraft). Those who have no Church order and practice lawlessness and interpret the Scripture in spirit of witchcraft is called “EXCOMMUNICATED.”
    If you not baptized in God’s Spirit and are not teached directly by God you should not be annulling spiritual authority of the Church Catholic, at all (Annulling spiritual authority of a Church that is under Spirit of God –that is called witchcraft).
    On my “Spiritual directing team” are…I am not sure how many for seven years now…and now I decided that I can (after seven years of “hearing and hearing”) go out and teach whatever I want
    (This is called boosting but I am somewhat unclean woman and have decided to do whatever I want 🙂
    Sometimes you just have to get out in the world and Christianity deceived and have fun!!! You can not harm them, you cannot help them…lol, lol.
    Seriously,

    1. “pppsspt kfisher” …this site has ‘Spell Check’ it shows up with a little red line underneath the word misspelled…we all make a mistake from time to time…but with this feature it helps us to make less.
      You called my Sister in Christ Jesus ‘a’ Moran I am assuming you mean ‘Moron’..Definition of MORON. 1. usually offensive: a person affected with mild mental retardation . 2: a very stupid person — mo·ron·ic \mə-ˈ rä-nik, m ȯ-\ adjective

      And you base your assumption of her mental state on your ‘mentality and belief of the Catholic Church’.. It is difficult for you to believe that you are the one deceived…Let me ask you one Question if I may….
      IF you were to find out that what you believe is wrong and not of Jesus Christ……
      Would you turn from your belief in the Catholic Church?
      (and believe The Truth about Jesus Christ revealed to you) ??

      kfisher ….”It only requires a Yes or No answer…” no more no less!!

      1. I can behave in any way I want (I can be mocker if I want…the spirit of mockery may be in me…I’m “woman ordained” and women are just not clean they do whatever they want…lol, lol).
        In this fellowship only holy and clean Charismatic/Penatcostal Catholic priest or Catholic/Baptist holy and clean Charismatic/Pentacostal male- preacher has spiritual authority over me…”He, he, he—he, he.”
        I sneak away from my spiritual directors into the world and deceived Christianity just to have fun. I’ll be in TROUBLE if I get caught by Charismatic Catholics or valid Charismatic Catholic/Baptist. (I’ll be in a BIG TROUBLE 😉 “He, he, he-he he!” ).

        Fun on side…but there is only one Church, in reality 🙂

      2. You should be very proud and your Catholic Teachers would (are) very proud of you also…for you are right you ‘can’ be anything anyway you want to be…that’s the teaching of Satan from the beginning, Yet The Word of God does not tell the Believers in Christ they can be anyway or anything they want to be….We are one ‘in Him, by Him, thru Him because of Him with Him,’ with obedience to His way and not ‘man or our own selfish desires way’ …
        Your time is very short in this world spirit of disobedience!

    2. kfisher,

      Try talking without calling names. I believe it works quite well.

      Your rant is all over the place, and honestly I can’t make sense of it. You go from listing degrees, to protecting the catholic church, to stating opinions such as this:

      If you not baptized in God’s Spirit and are not teached directly by God you should not be annulling spiritual authority of the Church Catholic, at all (Annulling spiritual authority of a Church that is under Spirit of God –that is called witchcraft).

      And your meaning of witch craft is quite confusing.

      All I can say to you on these various subjects that you brought up, is pick of the Holy Scripture of God. In his Word, you will find the answers to your questions/statements, such as the Pope and Catholic Church are committing sins, and unfortunately lead many to the wide road to hell. You ask how? Idolatry in the most horrific forms such as praising/kissing, doing grotesque things with bones.

      Such as praising Mary as if she were a God, when she was a sinner like all.

      Exodus 20:3-6 “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

      1. Gloria,
        I have degree from accredited University in Religion/Theology. (Not listening degree…I’m not sure what that may be).
        All I do is in my thinking is like a “Systematic Theology” 🙂
        Systematic approach of thinking is hard to catch up on..Hard to get it, or do… almost impossible if you not an expert by Spirit of God.
        But I can listen, and not call names and nicely behave (I know how to have manners).
        All Churches practice witchcraft to some degree (they miss mark without God’s Spirit). Find perfect Church if you can?
        I know all that you do know and more…so what?

      2. Kfisher,

        Your Comment: I have degree from accredited University in Religion/Theology. (Not listening degree…I’m not sure what that may be).

        My Comment: Your degree will be quite useless, on the day of Judgment when we will all stand before God, and give account of our sins/life.

        Your Comment: All I do is in my thinking is like a “Systematic Theology”
        Systematic approach of thinking is hard to catch up on..Hard to get it, or do… almost impossible if you not an expert by Spirit of God.

        My Comment: So your saying and let me get this straight “I have to be an expert by the Spirit of God” to undertand systematic theology?

        Let me tell you a little something about myself: I first felt Jesus when I was 8 years old. He was standing right next to me, protecting me from a spiritual attack by the devil. I felt Christ love for me, and have continued to feel his love for me. I have never need a degree in “sytematic theology” for that, and if that is truly what you believe, than the devil is deceiving you greatly.

        This bible verse reminds me of you: Acts 13:41 “‘Look, you scoffers, be astounded and perish; for I am doing a work in your days, a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.’”

        Which is why as Christians (to all) we must stand in the last days with the Word of God, denouncing scoffers.

        Your Comment: All Churches practice witchcraft to some degree (they miss mark without God’s Spirit). Find perfect Church if you can?
        I know all that you do know and more…so what?

        My Comment: The church I attend believes in God, Jesus Christ, the holy spirit. Believes that Christ is coming soon. Believes that Jesus can heal, allow believers to speak in tongues, believes that JESUS IS OUR SALVATION. The devil has once again deceived you if you think that all churches pratice witchcraft.

        Mark 16: “These signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well” (verses 17-18).

      3. Gloria, I also believe men and women like kfisher will appear more frequently as we get closer to The Lord’s return…also…since the Homosexuals/Lesbians etc of the other degenerates said they intend to enter the Church’s and ‘enjoy’ shareing their expressions of one another and the Church can’t do anything about it…Why would the Law respond…they have passed the laws these degenerates are ‘lawful’

      4. I agree Andrea. Men and women such as these will be numerous, because the Bible says the pathway to Christ is narrow, and the wide road leads to hell. Many unfortunately will choose and choose the wide road.

        God Bless.

  7. Gloria,
    Holy and celibate priesthood are the priest in Church Catholic… even the gay (gay is a generational sin), but holy priest that are born under generational sin, and are not — “not practicing gay” (that do not practice sexual immorality)… Are they not Holy when under Spirit of God perfected in presence of Christ? You KNOW NOT that… Go on and judge that by Spirit of God (or judge it by spirit of witchcraft).
    Lol, gay priest that are celibate and charismatic/Pentecostal in Catholic Church baptized and then ordained (and fully ordained) are the best priest in the Church. You just do not know them in private; I call them friends just as Christ does. (They are cleaner in their ministry and perfected by Christ…more then I a stinky and rooty- smelling-bloody-woman on dirty and unrighteous rags?”).
    You just know junk in the media reports…but such things are in reality
    O’ Gosh… you do not understand; truly understand the Love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ of Nazareth if you do not “HEAR HIM” yourself telling you that. (Valid Christianity is only that which has personal relationship with Christ…but many misinterpret the Scripture and really do not understand what exactly is “Personal Relationship with Christ Jesus of Nazareth?”)
    DO you know Him? Does He know you? Sure you do? No you do not know Him.
    Be offended, lol, lol.

    1. Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

      Jude 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:

      Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

    2. So not only are you standing up for the Catholic church but now make comments such as this:

      Your comment: Lol, gay priest that are celibate and charismatic/Pentecostal in Catholic Church baptized and then ordained (and fully ordained) are the best priest in the Church.

      My comment to you IS THE TRUTH: 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

      1. Is that verse (and teaching) of Paul Apostle applicable to gay priest under generational sin which they do not practice but are holy and are celibate and charismatic/Pentecostal, fully ordained and faithful to their calling?
        You may not apply individual sins to the Church corporate?
        I do (or do not) read in the Gospel of Paul anything about that.
        I can teach the Scripture accurately, but I am not always called to do that.
        Your application of the Scripture to the issue is not valid. It is witch-craft

      2. Though your words reek of mocking lies like a child with a new toy while the parents are not looking…with no clue what is about to happen that will be an eternal imprint upon your very spirit, soul and body….I ask you in The Name of Jesus Christ, please lay aside your toys of darkness and return unto The Lord thy God before it is too late!

      3. Kfisher,

        I will pray for you: that Jesus opens your eyes, and that you see what you spread is lies, and in contradiction to the Word of God.
        Amen.

      4. kfisher needs to ‘Repent’ and until the Lord grants him gift of repentance he or she what ever it is ,..will continue to be unashamed at what they do.

  8. Hi Andrea,
    Thanks…Betwixt tree languages I learned I always mess up in English 🙂

    Not much “Charismatic” but baptized by Free Fall of the Spirit (The Church is as always was).

    I have no powers or anything like that, but I have faith and I hear in Spirit-that is all.

    Luke 20:46 applie to Church Chatolic that is not in the Spirit of the Gospel (I lnow that). 🙂

    Hello ‘Hi’ to you too (smile)
    You said…”I am Charismatic Roman Catholic,”
    char·is·mat·ic
    [ kàrriz máttik ]
    having charisma: possessing great powers of charm or influence
    seeking direct spiritual experiences: describes Christian groups or worship characterized by a quest for inspired and ecstatic experiences such as healing, prophecy, and speaking in tongues
    ec·stat·ic
    [ ik státtik ]
    delighted: showing or feeling great pleasure or delight
    dominated by emotion: completely dominated by an intense emotion
    somebody subject to trances: somebody who experiences spells of intense emotion

    Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

    Luke 20:47 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.

  9. Andrea,

    “You can find Calcutta all over the world, if you have eyes to see, not only to see but to look. “
    -a mother according to the Gospel said that to me
    And I heard the Gospel message, and I understood.
    But I hear Gospel massage in anything and everything that comes from Church that is not valid? No.
    And you said:
    “Though your words reek of mocking lies like a child with a new toy while the parents are not looking…with no clue what is about to happen that will be an eternal imprint upon your very spirit, soul and body….I ask you in The Name of Jesus Christ, please lay aside your toys of darkness and return unto The Lord thy God before it is too late!”
    Should I accept that?
    “Mammy, mammy, mammy”…I can’t hear to follow “One Way”…hay, hay, hay 🙂
    I must drop this teaching fun…for I’m not quite mature, and I’ll be better of going back and forth about discerning the taste of different tea…and have fun while I’m at it.
    I would not go about discerning of different spirits. I only ask Holy One, God of David to give me the “spirit-print.” And the Spirit of God, Jehovah-Jireh who is Holy gives me the “spirit print” He is like a mommy…is not that wonderful, and hardly to be believable? But there is no-other-Way with I AM and his disciples—that is the relationship. God, Jesus of Nazareth whom I call “I AM” is Holy and yes, He is the same yesterday, right now and is forever. He does not change His Way. (But unbelievers change His Way).
    Can you hear from the Church according to the Spirit of God which dwells in the Church of believers who reject all false teaching without partiality? (I’m just immature, and unfortunately woman ordained –things are awful and do not fit the teaching of Paul. But I am not responsible that I was ordained by lawless pagans who practice lawlessness when they ordain women—that is a church-crime and rejection of teaching of Apostle Paul). I am in submission with my hearing to the Church 24/7 since ever I stared hearing, but you just do not know that. And sometimes I just step out and I do whatever I want. I am busy girl, and I do whatever I want? But I know Paul and his mind.
    Yes, you cannot have woman teaching in the Church and have no risk of bewitchment (who has bewitched you to believe and teach otherwise?)
    I know all that you do and more…so what?

    1. I have no desire to carry on a conversation with a devil let-a-lone a demented devil…When “YOU” want to talk to me I’ll be here.
      A Real Christian would “NEVER” speak as you do…nor lend their tongue to a devil.

  10. I know when I pick up Satan’s dominion because God Himself tells me and equips me for that.

    Sharpest edge of the Satan arrow is not that sharp, it does not cut like the double edged sword of the Spirit and the the Word the Gospel of God in mouth of his disciples by Spirit of Christ of Nazareth.

    Any man-in-Faith would like to correct this teaching of witchcraft spirit under Antichrist? No? I can do that, accurately:

    A Spirit-filled believer (by Faith) and in obedience to the Gospel Christian would never teach that which you do…But not many do understand the works that are of Anti-Spirit, the spirit of Antichrist.
    I am not sure what denomination and church (or cult) is that you are under, but valid Church does not reject Baptism in Free fall of the Spirit, does not forbid speaking and interpretation of known languages–thise confirm valid converions in the Church…However these things outside the Church Order become cultic practices over the time and lawlessness and spiritual death to many generations (as you have it among evangelicals in the land)
    😦
    Abuse of spiritual gifts becomes produce of death for those who abuse it (or forbid) to use it. Even those who are under “satanic seal” generationally or personally“ practice that which you do
    😦
    What is that you understand and teach? Your teaching about “spiritual gifts” is referred as hallucination/ schizophrenic and ecstatic experiences? Lol that is teaching of Atheist in the Church, and it is of the spirit of Antichrist. Satan hates “spiritual gifts” for it’s a mean of the Church that helps even to exorcise the Satan’s…

    Your mind is already in subjection to devil; in accordance to your generational sins that you are under…I do not need to interpret your tongues to discern that.

    Devil can teach things according to the Gospel (and slightly twist or shun few things of the Gospel)…THAT IS “can never obey by the Gospel. (Without Faith you just do not believe the Gospel or walk and teach according to the Word and Spirit).

    The Kingdom of Heaven is like…empty water jugs so that there may be no wine? No. Not at all.

      1. Kfisher said:

        “Ivar you need exorcism, and Pope can establish that.”

        Ivar,

        Why have you allowed Kfisher to spread crazy deception on this blog without being stopped?

      2. Dear JM

        Shalom

        You asked:

        Why have you allowed Kfisher to spread crazy deception on this blog without being stopped?

        My reply:

        I think it is great that Kfisher is exposing what happens to a man, during a Roman Catholic seminary. He is a brilliant example, that all my articles about the Roman Catholic priesthood is true.

      3. (smile) that’s one way to look at it…though I need to say that anyone who does not believe what you have posted about the Catholics and/or the works of Satan in any form, shape or fashion, of which I have noticed you are not swayed by any prejudice towards any Nation, including your own. Well those people so far has still chose to believe a lie instead of a truth.
        Seriously though, I think The Word of God is a much better example of what you print is true…and those who follow His Word will always agree with you! ….for they agree with HIM.

      4. JM,

        I do believe men like “Kfisher” will appear more frequently, as Christ gets closer to his coming. Men like Kfisher are deceived by Satan, which the Bible tells us so.

        2 Timothy 3

        3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

      5. Gloria said:

        “I do believe men like “Kfisher” will appear more frequently, as Christ gets closer to his coming. Men like Kfisher are deceived by Satan, which the Bible tells us so.”

        My reply:

        If you have read Kfisher’s replies, “she” claims to be a woman not a man.

      6. In this instance, I meant “men” as mankind (next time I will use that word-when speaking about both groups), and yes I read she was a woman.

  11. People that are under Generational or personal blasphemy of God’s Spirit are usually a “group think.”
    That is what you people are as a you group thinking.
    Protestants are somewhat deceived and split about 6000 times—that is how many protestant denomination there are…they are so united in spirit and mind because they have God’s Spirit? Lol, lol 🙂
    I know what is going on…they are under spirit principality of a specific spirit that manifests itself as “a caste.”
    I studied Evangelical Theology; I know all what is going on. If you NOT fully Baptized (and are a valid charismatic/Pentecostal), under guidance of God and His Spirit you get deceived in that witchcraft teaching; it is awful how much confusion and deception there is what I have studied.
    But they all follow one “god” in their works, in general…”god-mammon”
    Not only that I was educated in Christian- paganism, and I understand well what is and what about they are…it is only possible to discern that on your own when you are fully baptized.
    I am girl, and my priest freaked out when I told him what I was studding, he only calmed down when I told him that I girl-Pentecostal/charismatic Catholic, as all my Perish from Bosnia are.
    I only fellowship with Protestant Christians that are Lutherans or Baptist that have Church Order and are Pentecostals –this guys are real Americans, and we all have Holy Fun visiting each other in the churches…lol, lol 😦

    I do not know who you people are?

    Ivar, I still know you need excorcisam 😉

    1. kfisher….your foolishness isn’t even worth reading..I check the first sentence and Zippppp …Delete! When you decide to get real…the Delete button won’t be so near! Turn to Jesus less you receive a ‘I never knew you’…from Him…and that would be way too late..

    2. Dear kfisher

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      I do not know who you people are? Ivar, I still know you need excorcisam 😉

      My reply:

      I am amazed about your many confusing messages. I wonder what you are doing on this site. You are the best proof that Roman Catholics seems to go from really bad, to the level of insanity. Beloved sister (or brother?) from Bosnia:

      Jesus the Messiah is alive. That makes the difference. I do not know you. Be He knows you. Take a deep breath, and ask your self: Would Jesus have written similar comments as you do?

      If I do not see any repentance, even your time is up on this blog. If you are planning to come with anything but an apology, do not even bother to spend energy on the message. It will surely be spammed.

  12. There is nothing confusing about my messages, you just do not understand them, or you can not follow my paste of understanding.
    There is/are shortfall (or gap) in understandings.
    Why in the world you need apology? I do not understand that. It is not part of my understanding toward a Christian.
    I learn from Jesus of Nazareth not apologizing for anything he did….Who understood Him–he understood him. Who did not, just didn’t.
    My spiritual director is Lutheran, but we started out in a major conflict 🙂
    We never apologies to each other, not really…we just go about our daily business
    You know what we did and do? We just are practicing Christianity—that is all.
    Conflict is part of that? Well, in beginning was like that…but as time went on people just learned to submit to another. You not in conflict with me and I am not in conflict with you…It’s the conflict with spiritual realities—that is all Ivar 🙂 🙂
    From my experience I see that you are not in a sufficiency to understand your battle field.
    There is a fine line of discernment when you are attacking Body of Christ (Corporately), or spiritual realities in the Semitic/Jewish and non-Semitic Gentile Church. Roman Catholic Church is Semitic/Jewish and non-Semitic /Gentile Church.
    What do you know about spiritual realities? Write down all that you do, understand it, and apply it. However, when you do apply it do so correctly.
    I do not write to you from directly from the Scripture, but I can teach accurately and according to the Scripture…
    I am writing to you from point of view of oversight—I am not necessarily a Theologian according to my call, but I can mach up to any top-Theologian in the land. That which you do in its appearance is slightly off. You need to reexamine your motives and the way how things are applied.
    Sometimes you can pick up spiritual weapon against the Church, and not the spiritual realities. (While sometimes is appropriate to do warfare both, but you cannot warfare the Church that is valid).
    I give you suggestion. If you have time and opportunity why don’t you research about ambassador of Vatican to Washington and see if you learn anything about his work, at all. You may even decide to visit him, have lunch with him and see if he still feels miserable?
    I heard that he was trying to clean up Vatican, and got fired in Vatican. (Only prophets do clean up in Vatican, otherwise people get fired).
    He is adorable in his spiritual state of Quasimodo, and I learned that he is miserable.
    Well, I must go.

    1. Dear kfisher

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      There is nothing confusing about my messages, you just do not understand them, or you can not follow my paste of understanding.

      My reply:

      You did not make this matter easy for me, by your last comment. Since we are on this site to debate scripture and matters of faith, you would make your own life much easier by excusing your self. I guess no one forced you to write comments on this site?

      Surly Jesus loves those who feel that no ones understands them. But for most of the Christians, we do have a common understanding of scripture. Some small differences her and there.

      Let us try from the beginning, and take one matter of scripture at the time:

      Let me ask you: The Bible says that only Jesus was without sin. How can it be that the Pope claims Mary was born without sin, and lived a sinless life?

  13. Ivar,
    I answer to this:
    “Let me ask you: The Bible says that only Jesus was without sin. How can it be that the Pope claims Mary was born without sin, and lived a sinless life?”
    I quite frankly do not accept to believe all doctrines that are passed down, because some things are passed down by the word of mouth, in private (correcting false teaching).
    If you read the Gospel you will understand that that which was sown by children of devil in the past and it was not caught and corrected in that point in time it has to be left alone. It cannot be touched. You have to let that to grow, just as it is. Scripturally, you cannot touch or remove that doctrine; it has power to split the church, otherwise. (All Churches suffer due all kinds of false doctrines of the past). Church can wrestle with it, but cannot remove it.
    (That is my understanding about those things that are not Scriptural and some either accept to believe, and other just humbles themselves and hang around anyway– false doctrine does not affect them when they believe otherwise). I assure you that it takes humility to do otherwise then what you believe, and behave like a baboon with those who are immature, or weak. Mature believers put up with all kinds of things, but some things they will not allow, and will correct and teach otherwise.
    According to my understanding of the Gospel, the Church can only deal with false doctrine that is coming up in this point in time, and not disturb the peace in the Church as a corporate body. If you try to deal with anything that is sown in the past the product will always be a painful church split and then confusions.
    One of the priest that sometimes councils me huffed and puffed about new translation of English that they have received…and I laughed with him (for different reasons) for I knew that just about now they received part of the liturgy translation that was witchcraft free. (This would be highly offensive to immature Catholics, but things were not translated right, and there were major shortfalls toward understanding). Roman-Catholic Church in a good way was spiritually excommunicated; you will just see that it was that way.
    Pope John Paul II removed that false translation, Church did because he believed that it needed to be. But at the same time, Pope was under major temptation to put plunge the whole Church into the full cult, adding Mary to Holy Trinity would make the Church a full cult. Adding or taking away from Holy Trinity is temptation of witchcraft spirit and is of Satan’s weapon against the Church. It was coming against the Pope. Pope was Charismatic Church, as I understand. The spirit that he was called to battle was also coming against him. This is how I know this: when I battle certain spiritual reality; it starts coming against me and the Spirit annuls it.
    False teaching that was sown in the past cannot be touched. It was all devil-directed, but also was allowed. Church as corporate body has spiritual authority to remove certain things, but not all are equipped or called for that mission. False teaching that come are of “devil like incarnate” (I mean pagan-charismatic that are sealed in satanic seals). If you know anything about church-charismatic without Church order, you will know that they do all kinds of evil things that have major consequences on and on and on.
    I have to go to the class tonight, but if you have any questions, and I am moved to have answer to that, I will write and try to explain.
    Blessings,

    1. Dear kfisher

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      False teaching that was sown in the past cannot be touched. It was all devil-directed, but also was allowed. Church as corporate body has spiritual authority to remove certain things, but not all are equipped or called for that mission.

      My reply:

      I fully understand, that is not easy to defend the Papacy. But you must admit that a church who accept what is “devil-directed” do have a serious problem. We who do not have to defend the Papacy, seems to have an easier life, led by the Holy Spirit.

      Le me ask you one more question:

      Why can false teaching that was sown in the passed not be touched?

      Jesus says plainly, that all who love Him, will obey His commandments. And not accept the instructions of the devil.

  14. Shalom, Shalom Israelites :).

    I never defend papacy, or Pope. I recognize that Churches have their way choosing their spiritual authority.

    While he may not be fully prefect in his faith as Apostle Paul was, he so much is a father according to the Gospel.

    According to my understanding, a spiritual authority of any church that is valid cannot be annulled.

    Pope cannot annul cardinals, bishops, priest and so on…nor can bishop’s priest or cardinals annul Pope. For me to annul Pope as appointed spiritual leader by Church would be called practice of witchcraft (would be just that, in reality). By Spirit I cannot annul spiritual authority of our Pope; it is easy to defend him. Things like Papacy apply to Spiritual authority of the Church. There is no shortfall to that, for it cannot be annulled in a Church that is valid.
    While some may consider Pope’s role to be a work of witchcraft, or Satanic in a way there is so much misconception about that, for he is also a part of Spiritual authority of the Church, and scripturally you cannot touch person in Spiritual authority. His role in the Church as anointed/chosen/appointed/called, or just by random chance voted is still decision of man in spiritual authority. (Whatever churches chose will also be what they get). Roman Catholic Church has Pope.
    When spiritual authority of a person is annulled that is work of witchcraft-spirit, simply because you annul something that may be appointed by God (I myself consider Pope to be like Judah that is ruler of God’s people). However, this is how I view our old man—this is a personal conviction that he may (or may not) be just that because I consider every possibility of the Scripture. While this consideration of mine may be irrelevant, and cannot be applied to Pope, some things I just do not understand; yet, Pope is Spiritual authority, and that stands solid.
    There are only few mockers in Vatican in this point in time, the Pope is not one. While there are “son of Jezebel/spiritual reality” in Vatican, God Himself will cut him off. (I heard that in Spirit, and I know that). However, this is applicable to all churches for “son’s and daughters of Jezebel/spiritual reality” are quite common in rule over the Church as Corporate Body. In pass and present have and do still twist the way of the Gospel in any way they can.
    You said: “ Le me ask you one more question:
    Why can false teaching that was sown in the passed not be touched?”
    In the past the false teaching was sown. What these things are in form is as same as spiritual realities that are of the ancient forms and of spiritual realm; however, are always contemporarily packed up.
    If would be touched; it would violate the Gospel. That is, the false teaching that was sown in the past, and is well-rooted around the wheat and all cannot be touched according to teaching of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. It would violate the Gospel teaching. Well, it can be touched but it is not Scriptural to do that. (There are consequences to that). The Church removes false teaching and practices that consistently come up in this current point in time. That is/was exactly what Paul did; he consistently addressed false teaching and practices of his point in time.
    (Bewitchment in Church rises up from specific spirits, and these spirits work slowly in the Church so that in one point in time would attempt to crush it). We see that temptation and spiritual attack that came against Pope John Paul II but in reality that spiritual attack against the Church started like some 800 years ago.
    For Roman-Catholics to remove their things of the past would be like protestant remove (or stop) ordaining woman. These things that violate the Gospel teaching are in reality weight with the same scale: bewitchment is same witchcraft is witchcraft. It is almost impossible to be agreed to remove that. But we all know Paul’s teaching, and he never thought Gospel according to the Law. However, he was teaching the Law according to the Gospel.
    Some people teach Gospel according to the Law, and reality miss to examine all teaching of Paul and how he never applied the Law of Old Testament over the Law of God’s Spirit. (This is what they apply in part and miss judgment on many issues that arise).
    Every action in the Church corporate should be carefully examined and weighted if is missing obedience to the Gospel of God, and Law of the Spirit under which Apostle Paul was. Paul Explains the Gospel under the Law of Spirit of God. Also what he did is applicable to the Church judgments and actions.
    Devices of devil are very sharp, and are almost impossible to pick up on without Spirit of God. However devices are “establishments in the church” that are of past, are well rooted and cannot be uprooted without uprooting good and bad. This is what Gospel teaches on those issues, according to my understanding.
    There is so much to consider when you judge these issues, you would not believe how much just to stay in obedience to the Gospel as a Corporate Body. However, the Law of The Spirit easily fulfills that obedience to the Gospel.
    Blessings,

    1. Kfisher said:

      “In the past the false teaching was sown. What these things are in form is as same as spiritual realities that are of the ancient forms and of spiritual realm; however, are always contemporarily packed up.”

      My reply:

      “Get behind me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and you shall serve him only'” (Matt. 4:10).

      Satan has put a blindfold on you and is laughing hysterically at how he has succeed in warping your mind and thought process and turned you into a masterpiece of delusion and demonic oppression.

      You have fallen so far into the pit of lies and falsehood that your very soul is in a danger of hellfire. Your concepts about “authority in the church” are SO CONVOLUTED.

      Yet you prance around as the mouthpiece of satan, seemingly enjoying with pride every lying word that proceeds from satan’s influence over your mind. You are by far one of the worst cases of a demon speaking through a person that I have ever run across.

      Get on your knees and beg Jesus for deliverance and leave that vile and filthy “church” that you attend TODAY. Otherwise, sadly, I see no hope for your deliverance and you will spend eternity in hell.

  15. JM,
    What is thought in different churches is like witchcraft-of-excellence. But I see right through all of that.
    This is what happened to girl that tough me another Gospel then what Church-Catholic was. Is it perfect? No it is not. So what?
    A charismatic girl came over to my house in 2005 and thought to minister to me and did me a great harm. She was pagan-charismatic/evangelical Baptist.
    After that, few years after that I handed her over to devil in assembly of few people of different Churches (Lutheran and Baptist) by prayer according to Spirit, and she fell under judgment of God. I handed her over to devil by prayer, and she was not submitted to the Church with her mind…she did whatever she wanted, and she had unlawful child in her husband’s house. After that, the child just died while she was at work, and it happened in her baby-sitters house. (Few months after that, she was listening to “Lady Gaga.” I get averted to that music, by Spirit of God.
    But I also transferred some anointing on to her form Pentecostal Evangelist-priest in my hometown.
    The churches here are so holy and valid? OMG, they are, like full of “devils like incarnate” and their seed is like that, too. Why? Pagan-charismatic practicing lawlessness, sealing in Satan’s confirmation and blasphemy of God’s Spirit.
    Prophets can be unmerciful and curse in the Name of God and Jesus of Nazareth those who speak the Gospel (or minister) in the name of devil. God allows immediate judgment. What you are teaching is not according to the Gospel and teaching of Paul.
    With Church Charismatic is judgment unconditional or unconditional love. We do no other way.
    You are not a valid Charismatic Church that I hear. The Church of Jesus of Nazareth does everything according to Apostle Paul, under the Spirit of God. (We cannot fix what other have done, they are condemned for what they have done in the past—that condemnation is upon them, and not upon the Church in this point in time). The Church in this point in time will be accountable what fixes, or not.
    What is it that is not true? A spiritually delegated authority in the Church- Catholic? Would you rather believe that Spiritual authority is not appointed by God?
    Lutheran Church has delegated authority and teaching office, you cannot annul their Spiritual authority, nor can you of Church Catholic. That would be witchcraft.
    Explain Spiritual authority of the Church according to your understanding. I have no better way, only as God Himself has tough me. I am Judeo-Charismatic-Christian.

    What is wrong with you? I will be the prist: I know what is wrong, but you will not believe when I tell you. It is generational sin that is strong- holding you.

    This is how it is with Catholics:
    Priest is to be silent. Prophets are to speak. Those who teach shall teach. Do not put fur of the wolfs on His sheep!
    Can anyone teach here?
    Then do so: teach.
    I’ll say nothing more? Only if God moves me not to speak.

    Jesus of Nazareth Himself is Priest, Prophet and the King. Who is in Him?

    1. Kfisher said:

      “I handed her over to devil by prayer.”

      True Christians (which you ARE NOT) have authority over the devil in Jesus’ Name, but you have NO AUTHORITY to hand anyone over to the devil. You are involved in the most severe satanic occult activity.

      The only reason Ivar has let you post on his blog is to serve as an example to others of the delusion and oppression/possession that happens when one involves themselves in false satanic religions based on satanism, lies, witchcraft, occult and idolatry.

      I don’t know how much longer he will allow you to continue posting your dark, ugly blasphemy on his site. It is sickening and unbearable to read.

      1. Dear JM and kfisher

        Shalom.

        I have to agree with JM, that your messages is full of both blasphemy and pure fiction. But there is religious freedom for such people too.

        JM: It is biblical to hand people over to the devil.

        1 Corinthians 5:5
        hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.

        Nevertheless: I will keep the comments of this Bosnian girl. She is a brilliant example of the massive confusion and chaos that has entered the claimed body of the Messiah.

        Just look at this:

        – I am Judeo-Charismatic-Christian. What is wrong with you? I will be the priest-

        We have an Bosnia priest with us.

        I have never heard of priests, who claim to be a “Judeo-Charismatic-Christian” from Bosnia. And in particular a priestess who handed whom she claimed to be a “pagan Baptist girl”, to the devil. And not only to the devil, but a rather strange assembly which my best guess only exist inside her own mind:

        – After that, few years after that I handed her over to devil in assembly of few people of different Churches (Lutheran and Baptist) by prayer according to Spirit-.

        This is gross.

        JM: We need to permit such comments, as good examples.

        May Jesus have mercy on and deliver this confused and lost soul. Amen.

      2. I have never seen such a mass confusion of jumbled thoughts in my 36 years. I read it, and then realize it goes no where, and somehow it’s all a mixture of lies. And it is true, Satan has a serious hold on you that Jesus Our Messiah can only break.

        I pray for you too. I sincerely pray that you recogonize that what you believe is wrong. I pray that Jesus Christ touch you, and that the demons who are confusing you, flee in the name of Christ. Amen.

      3. Dear all readers.

        Shalom.

        I have spammed kfisher.

        Let us pray for our weaker sister, and not mock her. May Jesus have mercy on us, for any harmful words we have spoken. Amen.

        I am sorry for not pressing the spam button before, and for my not loving comments. Please forgive me.

      4. Kfisher said:

        “I know that pagan-charismatic practice satanic seals..Gentiles are sealed in Satan according to their spirits…Jews get demonized/saved (if Judah God is faithfull to them).”

        My reply:

        This writing style and thought process not only points to demonic possession but can also can be evidence of schizophrenia. I pray the Lord heals this person of both.

        Ivar said:

        “It is biblical to hand people over to the devil.
        1 Corinthians 5:5
        Hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.”

        My reply:

        I was referring to the way that the Bosnian priest used this phrase — as if she has supernatural power to turn someone over to the devil and cause chaos, death, etc. which is totally satanic.

        I’m not sure, Ivar, what you are speaking of here. This scripture in content was spoken in the Corinthian church and the phrase “hand this man over to Satan” is a word play ONLY which refers to church disciple and excommunication when pagan practices and other sins such as immorality were witnessed in the congregation.

        The phrase is just that — a phrase — a rebuke only. As believers we have no power to actually send someone to “the devil”. That is pure occult teaching. We can pray and quote scripture and say something like, “Lord, you said ‘vengeance is mine and I shall repay, says the Lord'”. However, the outcome is up to God to carry out His perfect plan — NOT THE BELIEVER. The authority that Paul was speaking of by using this phrase was to deliver the offender out of the congregation to maintain the purity of the church.

        “Excommunication is also for the long-term welfare of the one being disciplined by the church. Paul, in 1 Corinthians 5:5, states that excommunication is a way of delivering the unrepentant sinner “over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.” This means that excommunication can somehow involve God’s using Satan (or one of his demons) as a disciplinary tool to work in the sinner’s life physically to bring about true repentance in his/her heart.” -Got Questions

      5. Dear JM.

        Shalom

        This is a fruitless debate.

        To tell a man to leave the Church, he will simply go an eat a burger at Mac Donald’s. The next day he has joined another Church.

        Chapter is closed.

      6. Ivar said:

        “To tell a man to leave the Church, he will simply go an eat a burger at Mac Donald’s. The next day he has joined another Church.”

        My reply:

        What are you saying here? That you believe that we as believers can actually send someone to be tortured by satan?

        It’s important that you answer this Ivar and not “close the chapter.”

      7. Dear JM.

        Shalom.

        It is strange to read this from a person who writes to readers of this blog, “Get behind me Satan”. This is an instruction used by My Lord and God towards one man, his own student Peter.

        I will request you to to be more humble in your approach to guests on this site, if you want to be branded as a spiritual guide towards lost souls.

        I believe Paul, in the concerned chapter, told us that blessings and protection, that a man has in a Bible obeying fellowship, can be revoked. Satan will not wait even for a minute, to get his hands on all of us.

        Jesus Him self told us to treat those who we have to throw out of the fellowships like pagans. They do not have any spiritual cover.

        Let me try one more time.

        This chapter is closed.

      8. Amen JM….Amen! I for one have no desire to read what that maggot demonic devil is influencing this person to spew before the World thru Internet…it only provokes more devils to do the same and add more to it…(as scripture warns us)

        Unless Almighty God Himself grants this one the gift of repentance all this one will ever do is what any and all devils lead and tell it to do while this one actually thinks they are doing and saying these things their own self. A dead dog is more profitable than this one…for this one is only profitable to the Kingdom of Hell! Yet our Lord shed His precious blood at Calvary for this one as He did for us and all man-kind…it’s truly a shame that this one has chosen to lend their tongue to Lucifer…perhaps Wanna-be Pharaoh Romney will give this one credence on his web-site, since Romney believes that Lucifer is a brother to Jesus…or the web-sites of those Men and Women who claim to lead the Christians to believe voting for this lying gospel that is bred from Hell!

        Matthew 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

        Matthew 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

        Matthew 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

      9. I have to add this in hopes it will help JM to see another side of The Gospel of Jesus Christ, not just the merciful tenderness …This is not done lightly by no means….!!

        1Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

        1Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

        John 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

        (NIV) John 20:23 If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

    1. I say amen to ending this subject and kfish. Lets move on.
      Kfish is obvious as to who he is and what he is all about.
      Kfish is an outsider in need of Jesus. Paul admonishes us in
      how we are to treat outsiders. I have been reading the reply’s
      and I honestly think enough has been said. For the sake of other outsiders who may be reading,we need to be careful how we reply and what we reply. Myself included. When it comes to disagreeing among bretheren may I add this. There were two women at Phillipi who were in disagreement about something. We do not know what the disagreement was but they disagreed.
      Paul mentioned that these womens name were in the book of life. They contended at Paul’s side in the cause of the gospel.
      He pleaded with them to agree with one another in the Lord.
      and he asked the other brethern their to help them agree.
      Among us who are brethern we will disagree. But is important
      that in the end we agree to disagree with no bitterness. As Paul told the Corinthians We see things through a dark glass but some day we will see things clearly. Of course when that day comes it won’t matter because we will be changed. Lets help one another to maintain unity. Some have you have corrected me and for that I am grateful. It was for my good. JM You are wise in the scripture, I can tell. But be more gentler my brother. For the sake of the Gospel

      1. I remember when that saying of ..”Let us agree to disagree”.. became part of the World News fabric…it has now be woven in the Pulpits of America (and the World) ..till it’s so easily accepted and forgotten what The Word says…thus accepting what the ‘non-agreement’ is and passing laws because of it..just like the word..temperance …

        Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

  16. Sweetheart, No one ever said or implied they would do anything ‘outside of or apart from Jesus Christ and The Word… however… this is what you believe according to what you say….and referring to what I believe is ‘as a cult’…is not unusual for anyone who thinks God’s Word is a ‘figure of speech in any part of it from Genesis to Revelation…
    and as Jesus said,..

    Luke 8:18 “So pay attention to how you hear. To those who listen to my teaching, more understanding will be given. But for those who are not listening, even what they think they understand will be taken away from them.”

    You said… The scripture “deliver one to satan” is a figure of speech.

    I do not take The Word of God as ”a figure of speech”…. If God said it, It is so…(Smile)

  17. JM …You said….”This is about you calling yourself a Christian but being unable to rightly divide the Word. This is about applying God’s Holy Word in a wrong manner and mixing occult practices into true Christianity. This is very serious, Andrea. ”

    My Comment….JM …Yes it is very serious, very serious indeed to equate me applying God’s Holy Word in a wrong manner and with occult practices into true Christianity…since you believe this of me.

      1. Ivar I answer my emails from 1st to last I had not seen your last response I do apologize for any misunderstanding and I am sorry that JM was removed…

  18. And now another Catholic lord, Cardinal Keith O’Brien, has been reported by five men as having made “inappropriate approaches” to them when they were young, and like Magee who had to resign from being bishop, O’Brien has had to resign his being cardinal.

    Long may the dominoes keep falling and this ridiculous cult eventually come to an end, despite their best efforts, just like the Church of Scientology, to keep things under wraps.

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