Reuters exposes the wickedness of the Papacy

The arrest of the Popes butler, has led the news agency Reuters to summarize some of the modern scandals linked to the Bishop of Rome.

The scandals in Rome are so many, that there is a need for keeping butlers away from all the top secret documents.

But all this is nothing compared to more ancient scandals.

In the 15th and 16th centuries, the Renaissance popes bribed their way into office, openly kept mistresses and families and appointed young nephews as cardinals.

 “Alexander VI, whose pontificate from 1492 to 1503 is generally agreed to have been the worst ever, was said to have presided over more orgies than Masses”.

He came from the notorious Borgia family, who have been accused of adultery, rape, incest and murder. Alexander is said to have died from eating a poisoned apple.

Sixtus IV built the Sistine Chapel and the Vatican archives during his 1471-1484 pontificate, but also made six of his nephews cardinals and was involved in a murder plot.

One of the nephews, Julius II, was patron to renowned artists such as Michelangelo and Raphael between 1503 and 1513 and commissioned St Peter’s Basilica.

But the budgetary wizardry he used to finance it backfired disastrously. He raised funds by selling indulgences to reduce punishment for sinners, a practice that so shocked Martin Luther that he broke with Rome and launched the Protestant Reformation.

Source: Reuter’s

My comment:

The Roman Catholic Church stands and falls on three pillars.

1. Apostolic succession of the Bishop of Rome.
2. The infallibility of the Pope
3. That Jesus is physically present in the Eucharist.

2. Reuters has found this claim completely ridiculous. The “Holy See” was filled with fleshy worldly rulers, as insane and evil as many of the Kings who were subject of the Papacy.

In modern times the amount of children that have been raped by demonized Catholic priest and bishops is a sign that the madness goes on. No doubt that the butler must have got his hands on some interested top secret documents.

The Pope has his own police force, and can keep the secrets inside the Vatican only. So no one will come to know the truth. This is the fruit of anti-democratic statehood, founded with totalitarian Fascism as its midwife.

1. The claim of Apostolic succession is equally laughable for all who knows modern history of Italy. The Pope were exiled from Rome in 1870 A.D. There was no Catholic Bishop in Rome for 59 years. When he finally came back in 1929, the Pope was a successor of Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini.  It was Mussolini who gifted the Pope the Vatican statehood, and make Roman Catholicism the state religion of Fascist Italy.

3. The Eucharist stand and fall with the idea that Jesus can be summoned out of Heaven by Roman Catholic priest; That his physical flesh can be eaten, and that his physically blood can be consumed at the altar. Since Jesus did not drink his own blood, neither can we. Christianity is not cannibalism.

In conclusion.

Jesus said the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the true Church. Let me add the word “Rome”.

The Vatican represent an apostate “Church”, that has falsified the history of the Church. The truth is that it has always existed a true Messianic Baptist Church that lived a parallel life to the false Church of Rome.

This church upheld the teaching of Jesus and the apostles. True believers in the Messiah were badly bruised and persecuted by the Roman Catholic thugs. But has always prevailed, and will prevail till the end.

 Matthew 7:15


 [ A Tree and Its Fruit ] “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

People who in our days make their way back to Rome, walks right into the arms of an antichrist, and a completely wicked and perverted religious system. The gates to Hell and Rome is wide open.

The roads to Rome has always been filled with the blood of the martyrs and many good intentions.

Written by Ivar

32 thoughts on “Reuters exposes the wickedness of the Papacy

    1. Genesis 2:18

      The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be ALONE. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

      Its alone not UNMARRIED!! Get your verses right!

      1 Corinthians 7:8

      Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.

      A Catholic priest is a priest 24/7/365 or 366 leap year and because a marriage is also a Sacrament,and one that need much attention it is,and I emphasize free will,a choice made by someone who want to serve and follow Christ with his whole soul and heart.

      Clerical Celibacy been around since the 4th century with the Council of Elvira, Spain……

      1. And Jesus Christ has been around ‘before time began’ and he says….NO Man is supposed to molest, sexual relations with little boys’…so get YOUR Scripture Right….that includes ‘if they can not contain let them (Male & Female) marry, for it is better to marry than to burn…also..Stop defending and using the Catholic Religion as an example to lead someone to the straight and narrow path, as usual it is crooked, wide and leads to the Gates of Hell…that is ‘if’ you want to follow The Word of God and not the word of the Pope…(which is the word of the World orchestrated and still led by Satan).

      2. ..and if anyone thinks those Priests have nothing to do with the women, little girls also, they are equally deceived…How else does any leader in the Catholic Religion of Devils know how to hide, get rid of and ignore the crimes of the leadership than the ones before them…it is nothing new…in any denomination let-a-lone in Religious Cults like Catholicism…

  1. Just a thought….’maybe it wasn’t the Butler’…maybe it was a Priest whose heart was under conviction and ratted out the entire bunch (smile) and the Butler is the scapegoat…who knows but The Lord…he does have a way of bringing hidden things to the light…(smile) …sure had no problem pulling back the curtain (veil) to reveal the prostituted little boys and little girls at the Temple…

    1. Andrea,

      That the Butler is the scapegoat was my first thought, too. They need desperately to place the blame somewhere, anywhere…so, likely choice is the butler.

      Kay

      1. …so, likely choice is the butler…(how come we don’t hear from the Butlers Union ? they’re always getting blamed for a mystery of ‘Who-done-it’ ! (smile)

  2. Rome is a counterfeit. I personally believe Rome will be destroyed during the Gog/Magog war, and the world will believe this is fulfillment of Revelation 17-18.

    After this there will be nothing standing in the way of the world’s religions joining together to form an ecumenical unity. It is only after this that the real Tribulation will begin, the Church will be raptured, and the true Antichrist will be revealed.
    “When they say peace and safety…”

    1. hmmm???? there are many ideas out there and many taught and preached…Who are the Saints (Christians) listed in Revelation 13# 🙂 ?

      1. The saints in Revelation 13 are people who come to Christ by the witness of the 144,000 Jewish witnesses, and the two prophets in Jerusalem. They are Jewels in Israel’s crown! They were all unsaved at the time of the rapture of the Church, though it may be possible that some of them may have heard of Jesus before that time.

        Note that they are not called Christians. They are not part of the Church, but are essentially Old Testament saints. They are not indwelt with the Holy Spirit as Church Age saints are.

        Most of them will die during the Tribulation, though a few will survive, be lifted up by angels, above the carnage, and come back down to repopulate the earth during the Millennial reign.

        Note in Matthew 24:31, that “heaven” can be God’s home, outer space, and the atmosphere of earth. (see Genesis 1:20) I contend that “heaven” in Matt 24:31 is the atmosphere.

        Christians will meet Jesus in the air, and will be unassisted by angels. When He calls us, He will empower us to come to Him! Every true Christian is permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit. He has the power to enable us to come to Him when He wants us!

  3. Yes, I know, they laughed at Jesus too! People usually laugh because they have failed to check out the truth!
    I suspect you don’t know the power of the Holy Spirit!

    1. Oh for heavens sake..Go suck a lemon…it may give you some reason to smile…you are not laughed at…your idiotic ideas which has been around for many years also still mixed up with the current deceptions as well as your own lack of ability to assume the wisdom to keep your mouth shut so you may appear smart was also mixed in the text you spewed out..sad thing some innocent
      babe in Christ may think you’re right…as for ‘The Holy Spirit, it’s behooves me to even wonder what spirit you assume leads you
      in your known remarks as well as your ideas and the core of your
      heart. The counterfeit is easily seen especially when it’s ugly head
      is always ‘a god – self-gift to the body of Christ’…Goodnight dear..

      1. Hmm? Andrea, did you read Genesis 1:20?

        “And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.”

        Now, can you tell me, that you know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that “heaven” in Matt. 24:31 is not the same heaven as Gen. 1:20?
        Mark 13:27 is a parallel passage;

        “And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.”

        I think He is saying that the elect, the Tribulation believers, will be gathered to the corresponding part of the atmosphere, as Jesus comes and slaughters everyone who has taken the mark of the Beast, beneath them. When people go to the home of God, they will not be in an “uttermost part”, they will be gathered together to Him! Read the words!

        Your hatred of this idea is one area you have in common with Catholicism. They hated Chiliasm (the old name for pre-millennialism) and killed its believers for hundreds of years.

        If as you say, the Roman Catholic Church is the harlot of Revelation 17, then who are her daughters? Here is a clue, a daughter is a woman who comes out of her mother, correct? In other words, a daughter is the same kind of entity as her mother.

        If the mother is a Church, then her daughters are churches who came out of her. Who are the Churches who came out of Rome? Have you noticed how many abominable Romish doctrines the protestant churches hang on to? Christ-mas, Easter (Ishtar), Lent, Sun-day, infant baptism, etc, etc.

        Oh, yes! Augustine, the patron saint of the Protestants, is also the father of the Catholic Church! We can do without Augustine! Augustine is also the inventor of amillennialism, another heresy!

        Most protestants are so close to Rome that, as soon as that city is destroyed, they will join with the surviving Catholics in ecumenical unity, and crown the Antichrist!

        Mark my words!

      2. Sweetheart I don’t ”Mark YOUR or anyone’s words” (unless they bare spoken by The Anointing of The Holy Spirit..I mark GOD’s Word…he never changes his words,..(smile)…
        As for your accusing me of ‘my hatred for Catholicism’….how simple you can get is showing a very profitable interest in the demise of many people’s faiths if they listen to you and take even a 1/3 of a thimble full..No I don’t study the ‘dead’ nor shall I ..I was not called to study the Dead Religions…though they are listed in the Scriptures..they are not unknown to me..their root of which I noticed yours right off! Your knowledge of ‘The Kingdom of Heaven and The Kingdom of God is as limited in your knowledge of the Blessed Saviors love,mercy and grace…Sweetheart spend more time in Jesus, soak, bathe in His Majesty’s love, let those who are really “Anointed in spreading factual knowledge on other subjects about the Worlds craziness” ….glean from their and those who can be still in a Holy Awe at His presence after many, many, years and still can praise HIM for the grace to enjoy the ‘facts coming to light’ thru HIS Grace to help those who rebel against His Great Sacrifice as well as rebel against all He sends in many parts of His Body to encourage those children of darkness and those who fell (bit the baited hook) for people like you who need to sit down and Shut-up and listen before they reveal how little they do know…you’ll learn so much more and Ohhh the awesome love and closeness to Jesus and the Brethren by His Blood to fellowship with us all! If you want to “Mark something,….mark what I just said!! And the ONLY thing I abhor (hate) is Satan and his minions!!!!

      3. Andrea,

        Your response to Dknezacek shows that you have not studied the scriptures. He is not making these things up — they are right under your nose if you pick up the Bible and bother to read it, asking the Holy Spirit for discernment. The Bride of Christ WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION. If you are so sure that you personally will go through the tribulation and be beheaded and killed, maybe it’s because you are not the Bride of Christ.

        You are constantly mocking the Biblical concept of the Rapture, but the last laugh will be on you when you are judged as not having “studied yourself approved to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth” (2 Tim 2:15).

        Before you continue lashing out at everyone who ever mentions the rapture — why don’t you take some time out and study the Word.

        I posted this before, but you obviously didn’t read it:

        An article by Jack Kinsella makes it clear that the Tribulation is the time of ‘Jacob’s Trouble’ – Daniel’s 70th Week. It is reserved for ISRAEL and NOT THE CHURCH.

        In the book of Daniel 9:24, Daniel was told by an angel specially that the TRIBULATION period was for Daniel’s people (JEWS) and Daniel’s holy city (JERUSALEM):

        “Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE and upon THEY HOLY CITY to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.”

        In this verse we see a complete outline of Israel’s future history, broken into subdivisions of time with a six-fold purpose:

        1. First, to finish ISRAEL’S transgression – the rejection of the Messiah at the First Advent.

        2. Second, an end will be made of ISRAEL’S sins.

        3. Third, reconciliation will be made for ISRAEL’S iniquity.

        4. Forth, everlasting righteousness will be introduced to ISRAEL.

        5. Fifth, ISRAEL’S Scriptures will be vindicated by the fulfillment of all prophecy .

        6. Sixth, Christ’s returns at the conclusion of the war of Armageddon, at which time He will be anointed and will take His seat on the THRONE OF DAVID.

        This is a time of judgment against ISRAEL and the GENTILE world (Earth-Dwellers) and not the church. THE CHURCH WAS ALREADY JUDGED AT THE CROSS.

        Daniel indicates the Tribulation Period is for ISRAEL’S national redemption. That theme is picked up by Zechariah 12-14:

        “A prophecy: The word of the LORD concerning ISRAEL. “I am going to make JERUSALEM a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock.”

        “And I will pour out on the HOUSE OF DAVID and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.”

        “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.”

        “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the LORD Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land.”

        Jeremiah also says that the tribulation is a time of JACOB’S TROUBLE:

        “Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of JACOB’S TROUBLE, but he shall be saved out of it.” (Jeremiah 30:7)

        Clearly, since the Tribulation period is the time of JACOB’S TROUBLE, and was pronounced upon DANIEL’S PEOPLE AND DANIEL’S CITY. Its purpose is to accomplish for Daniel’s people in the last days the same thing that was accomplished for the CHURCH on the cross.

        THE TRIBULATION PERIOD IS FOR THE JEWS AND FOR THOSE WHOSE NAMES ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE.

        If there is a purpose for the Church in the Tribulation Period, there is NO MENTION of that purpose in Scripture — although Scripture is clear regarding both Jews and ‘earth-dwellers’. And the ‘earth dwellers’ CAN’T BE THE CHURCH, since their names are not written in the Book of Life.

        1 Thessalonians 1:8-10, specifically at verse 10 says:

        “And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, WHICH DELIVERED US FROM THE WRATH TO COME.” (The church is not appointed to wrath.)

        1 Thessalonians 5:1-9 says:

        “For when THEY shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon THEM, as travail upon a woman with child; and THEY shall not escape.” (Note the pronouns ‘they’ and ‘them’)

        “Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: WE are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let US not sleep, as do others; but let US watch and be sober.” (Note the change — ‘they’- ‘them’ become ‘we’- ‘us’.)

        “For THEY that sleep in the night; and THEY that be drunken are drunken in the night.”

        “But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.”

        There is clearly a distinction between Jews, ‘earth-dwellers’ and ‘us’ — the Church.

        Verse 8 references ‘the hope of salvation’. What does that mean — ‘hope’ of salvation? Salvation from what? My salvation comes with an iron-clad guarantee, signed in Blood. I don’t ‘hope’ for salvation — I am saved now.

        Clearly, taken in context, the ‘hope of salvation’ referenced by Paul can’t be salvation from hell.

        But salvation from the ‘wrath to come’ is indicated by the context and consistent with the doctrine that says “I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them from my hand.” (John 10:28)

        What did Jesus say about His coming? He said, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36).

        Clearly, He could not have been speaking of the same event (THE SECOND COMING) that could be so easily calculated. Is this a contradiction?

        According to 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4, there is a secret return of Christ, the one of which Jesus spoke.

        Paul writes, “For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

        This secret Advent, in which the Lord comes for His Church in the air, is NOT THE SAME event as the one in which He puts His foot upon the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two (Zechariah 14:4).

        PAUL’S DESCRIPTION OF THE LORD’S COMING HAS HIM COMING IN THE AIR AND NOT TOUCHING DOWN ON EARTH.

        Paul is referring to what is commonly called the Rapture of the Church. Since this secret Advent’s timing cannot, according to Jesus, be calculated, it CANNOT be the same event as the Second Coming. That Triumphant Return can be calculated precisely when the antichrist appears. Hence, the pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church is consistent with Scripture.

      4. Dear JM.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        The Bride of Christ WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION.

        My reply:

        Where is it written in the Bible, that those who do not believe in the correct timing of the rapture, shall not have eternal life?

        Since I believe we are inside the the Great Tribulation today, I must have missed the buss. And so do you. We are both left behind, and there seems to be a lot of martyrs that have entered the Kingdom of Heaven well ahead of us both.

      5. Ohh Ivar,….bless your heart..Thank you Brother..Thank you Jesus…for this..I really needed this laugh…regaining the strength lost this past 6 months and 2 surgeries…Dear God …something so simple as ”I just have missed the Buss”….( You’re not alone in the ones who missed the Buss…(smile)…on the Rapture Buss…HAHAHAHAHAA Oh Glory …just wanted to say ”Thank you that in and of itself…is a bucket of strength…One thing I have learned in the past over 30 years of walking with Our Lord is, when you get ‘strength,..you better ‘pray’ cause you’re about to go thru some stuff you’ll need that strength…I’ve had many years of His humor and strength…well with Tears of Laughter ..Weary Pilgrim Brother (always strengthen by His grace and love, thank you!

      6. JM ….Nowhere did I say or ever said, I would be beheaded in the Tribulation…I am glad you are not being subjected to the things that run rampant in this World…few find that luxury…for the Word does say, you’ll be persecuted if you are HIS…so I see you are spared by this ‘gift’ (smile),….Also Darling…I see your words to me just a few days ago…’told me you were not talking to me…you were talking to someone else..and I ‘butted in’ …not those exact words but the same meaning,.. I see you must have ‘also changed in your opinion on me responding to anyone not addressing me…Oh I do love God for He don’t change!!! (smile)..I won’t respond to how I read or study His Gracious Word, God knows, I am not hear to please and get your approval Sweetie, nor do I desire to…I do however pray for you most decidedly…and wonder who or which one you’ll attack this week in your Abundance of Knowledge in ”all ” things..but have no fear Sweetheart…you ‘are’ loved deeply by me and diligently prayed for even thru Intercession whether I wanted to or not I was blessed with you being dropped in my heart to love (in spite of your puffed up heart and knowledge). The Body of Christ is to love one another…I have yet to see your love for me…but that’s OK …children and teenagers even in the Body of Christ have a hard time by-passing self…Oh I see no fruit in discussing what I believe about the Tribulation other than ‘it will occur’…and choose not to believe anything but what The Holy Ghost has shown me for more than 30 years. If HE chooses to change that belief I’m sure HE will choose someone that has no problem in walking in love and praying for me in Jesus Name! One who will lift UP Jesus all the time in all things even to their own hurt..for HE deserves all Praise!

      7. Dear Ivar,

        Shalom. Hope you are well.

        I believe that we have entered into the beginning of the tribulation as well, at least the Birth pangs — but this doesn’t mean that the time for the rapture has passed. The Bride will not suffer through God’s wrath. The Wrath of God is said to have begun in Rev. 6:16-17 and Rev. 15:1 says it will conclude with the Bowl Judgments. The 7th and final bowl judgment is poured out in Rev. 16:17 and its effect is described in Rev. 17-18. In Rev. 19 the Lord returns and in Rev. 20 the Millennium begins.

        Therefore the Wrath of God covers all of Revelation from chapter 6 thru chapter 18.

        I never said that those who don’t believe in the rapture won’t have eternal life. I said that those who mock the idea of the rapture have not studied the dispensations, the book of Revelation, the book of Daniel, and the book of Ezekiel. I believe, as discussed here before, that there are more than one rapture. If a person is so adamant that they will be beheaded, it shows that they don’t understand that the tribulation is the time when God turns his attention toward Israel. There is no reason or point for the church (the Bride) to be subjected to the wrath of God.

        (Daniel’s 70th week is divided into 2 halves and ends with the 2nd Coming. The first half really has no Biblical name, but the 2nd half was named by Jesus. He called it the Great Tribulation, and said it would begin with the Abomination of Desolation (Matt. 24:15-21). (From Grace Thru Faith.)

        Here is a broad outline (not exact) but close to what I believe the scriptures tells us about the different raptures and the 70th Week (which we are currently in).

        A Guide To Last-Days Events:

        1.) At some point in the near future, the Lord will call His Bride to heaven and give them/us all new resurrection bodies. (FIRST RAPTURE.)

        2.) This first rapture will mark the beginning of the “70th week of
        Daniel” — as described in Prophecies of Daniel. This “week”
        (seven-year period) will be a time of God’s specific dealings with the nation of Israel, so the Church must be taken away just before or exactly at its beginning. (Note: we may already be in the first part of the 7 year tribulation, certainly in the birth pangs.)

        3.) Beginning then and continuing through the seven years will be the unfolding of the judgments we saw in Revelation 6, with the opening of the seven seals: Religious deception and a false messiah, Wars and rumors of wars, Disease and famine, Earthquakes and natural disasters, and Martyrdom of Christian and Jewish people for their faith.

        4.) Approximately 1/4 of the world’s population will be killed through these wars, diseases, famines, earthquakes, religious persecution and other disasters.

        5.) At some point, either just before or just after the start of the
        seven-year period, the war described in Ezekiel 38 and 39 will happen. This will trigger the last-days spiritual awakening of the nation Israel.

        6.) Psalm 83 and Is. 17 will happen prior. Also the prophecies concerning Egypt.

        7.) Shortly after the start of the seven-year period, the Lord will
        put His seal on 144,000 Israeli-born, Messianic-Jewish men. These men will have a unique evangelistic ministry for the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period before being given a private rapture to be with the Lord. (SECOND RAPTURE.)

        8. Through the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation, the Last-Days’
        Dictator (Antichrist) will be a model of political correctness. He and his False Prophet (Pope) will appear to be angels of light. They will make great, inspiring speeches, encouraging people of all races and religions to live in peace and love. Millions will thrill to hear them, and spread their deceitful gospel.

        9.) In the middle of the tribulation period, the Last-Days’
        antichrist will break the treaty with Israel, seize control of
        Jerusalem, defile the rebuilt temple, and go on a killing rampage to destroy the Jewish people.

        10.) A faithful remnant will escape “to the wilderness” — perhaps the rock city of Petra. The breaking of the treaty will announce the beginning of the 3 1/2 year period known as the Great Tribulation.

        11.) When the beast rises to power, the False Prophet will force
        everybody to take the mark of the beast. You can see a precursor to this mark in today’s Islamic countries, where Jihadist demonstrators put marks on their foreheads as a mark of solidarity.

        12.) At the very start of the Great Tribulation, the Lord will raise
        up two witnesses who will prophesy for the entire 3 1/2 years. They will call the shots for God, predicting the arrival of the Trumpet judgments and calling plagues down on the earth.

        13.) At the start of the Great Tribulation, the Trumpet judgments will begin to fall upon the remaining inhabitants of the earth. These judgments will bring the type of devastation normally associated with nuclear war, and 1/3 of the earth’s population will be destroyed.

        14.) Shortly after the start of the Great Tribulation, midway through Daniel’s 70th Week, the Lord will call a rapture for a second group of believers. (THIRD RAPTURE.) These will be people (both Jews and Gentiles) who come to a saving knowledge of Jesus, the Messiah, during the first 3 1/2 years of the tribulation period. These are called the “numberless multitude.”

        15.) At some point, either at the start or sometime during the Great Tribulation, the devil and his angels will be cast out of their places in heaven and be confined to the earth. He and his henchmen intend to persecute every Christian and Jewish person remaining on the planet.

        16.) Near the end of the Great Tribulation, our Lord will take a final harvest of believers (FORTH RAPTURE) who will stand tall in their faith and refuse to accept the mark of the beast.

        17.) By contrast to the believers just mentioned, the faint-hearted folks who take the mark of the beast will be part of a different harvest — the grapes of wrath — performed by a very grim reaper.

        18.) At the end of the Great Tribulation, the two witnesses will
        finish their prophecy and the Last-Days’ Dictator will kill them.
        After 3 1/2 days, the Lord will resurrect the two men and give them a private rapture to heaven. (FIFTH RAPTURE.)

        19.) At the end of the Great Tribulation, God will direct His angels to pour out the seven Last Plagues upon the stiff-necked survivors. The plagues signal the official start of the Day of the Lord. The plagues will set the stage for the Battle of Armageddon.

        20.) When the dust has settled, Jesus will return to the earth to set up His Kingdom and a 1,000-year period often called The Milennium. (Second Coming, not the Rapture).

        Taken in part from: biblrytr.com

      8. Dear JM.

        Shalom.

        I hope we can agree on this.

        1. Our views on the timing of Great Tribulation is not a matter of salvation.

        2. Our views on the timing of the rapture is not a matter of salvation.

        Pastors who teach this to be matters of being a Christian or not, are sectarian teacher. Or members of cults. They all curse each other, based on what seems to be less important issues, and minor differences.

        I am sure that all Christians shall escape the wrath of God. But on Earth they will face trouble, even tribulations. There have never been more blood shed on Earth than just now. Christians are crippled and killed in their hundreds of thousands every years. The media is controlled by Satan, and we are simply not being told the truth.

        The Stoning of Stephen would not have reached the headline news on CNN.

        There are millions of Christians all over the World who do not have any view on the rapture. They might live in the jungle of Africa, or in the slums in India. They are people of little knowledge and faith. But they are born again, and do love Jesus. The only hope they have is Him.

        But when the rapture finally takes place, I can assure you that they will be taken in the rapture. There will also be many left behinds, we all thought were true followers of Jesus. More of them quite rich, fleshy and followers of false spirits, believing in a false Messiah.

        Something to reflect on.

      9. There are millions of Christians all over the World who do not have any view on the rapture. They live in the jungle of Africa, or in the slums in India. But when the rapture finally takes place, I can assure you that there will be many left behinds we all thought were true followers of Jesus. Something to reflect on. (Amen) Amen Amen Amen! All the gifts of The Lord, whether sought after or not…HE is the Greatest Gift of all…that’s our (my) focus…for all..if they don’t have HIM< they are as Brother Paul said thru The Spirit..are most miserable…

      10. Andrea,

        Join a Bible study and read Revelation, Daniel, and Ezekiel and learn something about the last days instead of calling people “sweetie”, “darling”, “honey” “sweetheart” etc. and dodging the subject of the rapture every time it comes up.

        This forum is to discuss the Bible — you want to make it into a High School clique and a popularity contest. I’m not interested in becoming “emotionally” involved in your life — sorry about that. I’m not your lover, so don’t engage me in a way that you would a husband or family member — laying on guilt that I don’t unconditionally love you even if what you say is in error. Stay on topic, Andrea and stop playing emotional games.

        Like I told Ivar, the timing of the rapture is not a salvation issue. But when you rightly divide the Word of God, there is no other position except the pre/early tribulation rapture that is scriptural. The tribulation is not intended to purify the Church as the blood of Jesus already did that. “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth” (Rev 3:10).

        The body of Christ is not the same as the Bride of Christ. Jesus is coming for His Bride, not the lukewarm church. Many will be left behind. I pray that we are accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and to stand before the Son of man.

      11. JM, I see I have ‘offended you by my love for you’ and my way of saying ‘darling, sweetheart, sweetie, honey’ is an offense to you…I truly am sorry…however ..You see Jesus showed me a long time ago to show the tenderness to all Saint & Sinner alike in jest, instruction and in revealing His truth…Song of Solomon has a deep revelation of Great Love, all thru His Word ‘Beloved’ rings a love that only the Blood of Jesus can express to any heart….
        …you did speak thru~>I’m not interested in becoming “emotionally” involved in your life<~~ I know…I know…yet Jesus had no problem in being interested in becoming involved emotionally with my life…I (tears hurt and they sting)…but you are not the only one who still can't love that kind of love for those who don't suit your opinion of Christianity and knowledge of His Word..that's OK you're not the first to hurt me, nor will you be the last..but you see 'Beloved of The Lord Jesus Christ (and mine) I do care about you emotionally, and all that are a care to your heart…I understand the Picnics of standing at loved topics in the Bible, yours appears to be the Rapture…good for you…mine is Jesus…I just can't get past the Cross and more of His Love who died for me and for all people! So if I am brunt, or as any description you decide to feel about me, pray, or ignore me and if it makes you feel good not to Listen to The Holy Ghost, then I know He will eventually tell you I too am HIS!

      12. Dear Andrea,

        You said:

        “Oh I see no fruit in discussing what I believe about the Tribulation other than ‘it will occur”

        My reply:

        Oh really? Is that why you just said to Daniel Knezacek when he wrote about the rapture:

        “Ha ha ha ha.”

        “Oh for heavens sake..Go suck a lemon.”

        “your idiotic ideas which has been around for many years also still mixed up with the current deceptions as well as your own lack of ability to assume the wisdom to keep your mouth shut so you may appear smart was also mixed in the text you spewed out..sad thing some innocent.”

        “The counterfeit is easily seen especially when it’s ugly head
        is always ‘a god – self-gift to the body of Christ’…Goodnight dear..”

        Get some rest Andrea because you are contradicting yourself and not making ANY SENSE any more. I’m becoming concerned that you are losing it.

        God Bless.

      13. JM, (smile) …so my ‘hahahaha’ you assume was about the Rapture…bless your heart, Bless your heart..(will that offend you also) if so …\o/ I’ll just lift my hands and praise the Lord Jesus…\o/ for His love at the Cross ‘for you’…

      14. Andrea,

        You said:

        “I know…I know…yet Jesus had no problem in being interested in becoming involved emotionally with my life…I (tears hurt and they sting)…but you are not the only one who still can’t love that kind of love for those who don’t suit your opinion of Christianity and knowledge of His Word..that’s OK you’re not the first to hurt me, nor will you be the last..but you see ‘Beloved of The Lord Jesus Christ (and mine) I do care about you emotionally, and all that are a care to your heart…”

        Andrea, we are on a public forum discussing Bible prophecy. By your response, I feel like I just took you on a date for Valentine’s Day and broke up with you just as the waiter was serving the chocolate mousse.

        You are missing the whole point — this is about debate and it’s ok to disagree. I disagree with a lot of people including Ivar yet I don’t demand that Ivar or anyone else tell me that they love me and how I’m in tears because I love them so much and they emotionally hurt me. We are on the world wide web, Andrea. We are not on a date nor have be exchanged wedding vows nor will we!

        I don’t know if I can make you understand this in the state you are in — you are very vulnerable right now and I’m sorry about that. I have nothing against you personally, Andrea and I do like you. If you lived closer I would bring you a bowl of chicken soup and a lemon merange pie. But the fact is, there is no way I can get these items to you — so try to stick to the topic of the Bible and if we disagree, let it go.

        You might want to look into match.com to engage someone on a more personal level on a different type of forum. Or get a pet dog or cat if you don’t have one already. My purpose is to call out error — and if someone wants to take it personally, they can “own” their own emotions. Please try to respect the boundaries of those who just want to debate the Bible and are not interested in going to the Senior Prom together.

        God Bless.

      15. JM…Think what you will….No matter where anyone is…The Host of Heaven and the Host of Hell hears what we say, and we will be accountable for every word….as well as the intent of our hearts…my love for the brethren (you also) is not a matter of your or anyone’s mockery…it was given to me by One who is too precious, for me to allow after the 3rd admonition to continue for me to respond further in this subject…you will continue to be in my prayers.

      16. Andrea,

        We become emotionally invested everytime we speak to others about the Word of God, in hope that they see that Christ is Our Saviour.

        Hebrews 10:23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful.

  4. So if the Catholic Church, which represents the original Christian thinking and belief is wrong, then ALL Christianity is a farce. The bible only came into existance 70 years after Christ died and not by the printing press either….
    Christ established a CHURCH…he did not leave a book.. go look for that church…. and you won’t find it amount 20000 evangelicals each rendering their own version of the “truth”.
    All Christian teaching contains elements of truth… but the FULL TRUE message of Christ rests somewhere.. in the original Church, the one that has a lineage back to the apostles and the one that has authority from Christ to last till the end of time. Oh.. and it does not change its teaching… one message…one leader…one interpretation of the bible.

    1. Dear Dave

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      the bible only came into existance 70 years after Christ died and not by the printing press either…

      My comment:

      You have been deceived by false Christians.

      First: The Catholic Church is not the original Church. The original Church was a Church of Jews living in Israel, believing that Yeshua was the promised Messiah.

      Second: The Bible is not a Catholic, nor a Christian invention. It is a Hebrew book, that existed hundreds of years before Jesus the Messiah came in the flesh. When the Messiah walked on Earth, He opened the scrolls with the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the Prophetic books, read and explained to the Jews that He was the promised Son, Mighty God and prince of peace.

      Today there a millions of Christians who do not even open the Hebrew Bible, the only Bible their claimed Master used.

    2. Ecclesiastes 12:13, 14 …and a Huge AMEN to Ivar’s Comment to Dave. You’re prayed for Dave, that your eyes too may be opened.

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