The Vatican claims King James Bible is Catholic

An interfaith exhibition called “Verbum Domini” (Word of the Lord) claims the roots of the King James Bible of 1611 are “entirely Catholic.”

Cary Summers, organizer of exhibit, says that all Christians share the King James Bible.

Verbum Domini will run from March 1 through April 15. Organizers of the exhibit state“highly contextual, interactive format” adds to  “the dramatic story of the Catholic contribution of the most-banned, most-debated, best-selling book of all time.”

Summers explains  the exhibition  proves that despite Protestant belief that the King James Bible was the highlight of European culture, through and through it’s really a Catholic book.

“If it had not been for the Catholics of the 1500s there would be no King James Bible,” exhibition organizer Cary Summers told CNA.

“Many of the original bibles that formed the basis of the King James Bible came from Catholic priests. Very few changes were made. The ancient writings that the King James writers actually mimicked and copied were by Catholic priests,” he explained.

The interfaith exhibit includes artifacts from Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Orthodox faiths to present a “shared love of God’s word.” To  exemplify the interfaith theme, the first room visitors see is a scaled reproduction of the mid-third-century Synagogue of Dura Europos in Syria. Another exhibition highlight is the earliest known fragment of the book of Genesis, which comes from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

“Most people don’t understand the history of the King James Bible. There is a rich history, a very positive history of Catholic contribution to the creation of it,” Summers said.

“Unfortunately we live in a world that locks in on all the negatives, and that’s how it’s spun,” Summers remarked.“But there’s … a rest of the story which is very positive, too. And that’s what we are here to celebrate.”

Source: CNA

My comment:

Those that have ears to hear, listen.

The Roman Catholic church wants the whole world to see her as a biblical church. Rome is  using this exhibit to gather all Christians and Jews under the Word of God, positioning herself as protector of the Word.

In order to seduce Evangelicals closer to Rome, she now claims the King James bible is Catholic. She can not leave out the Jews in her quest for interreligious dialogue, as Israel and the Holy Lands is very important to the Vatican.

The King James Bible was on the Vatican’s forbidden book list for hundreds of years.

Pope Pius IV had a list of the forbidden books compiled and officially prohibited them in the Index of Trent (Index Librorum Prohibitorum) of 1559.

This is an excerpt:

 Rule IV

 Since experience teaches that, if the reading of the Holy Bible in the vernacular is permitted generally without discrimination, more damage than advantage will result because of the boldness of men, the judgment of bishops and inquisitors is to serve as guide in this regard. Bishops and inquisitors may, in accord with the counsel of the local priest and confessor, allow Catholic translations of the Bible to be read by those of whom they realize that such reading will not lead to the detriment but to the increase of faith and piety. The permission is to be given in writing. Whoever reads or has such a translation in his possession without this permission cannot be absolved from his sins until he has turned in these Bibles …

(end of excerpt)

The church would rather “withhold forgivenss of sins” than allow the people to read the Word of God.

Are we now supposed to believe that we can all share the bible as one?

Let us not forget history or it’s martyrs. Many burned at the stake for translating the scriptures by the hand of Rome. She will do anything to gain control over the true church of Jesus and all the religions in the world. Don’t be fooled.

Revelations 17:4

The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries.

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56 thoughts on “The Vatican claims King James Bible is Catholic

    1. Dear Nitroy

      Shalom.

      When you base your church on a falsification of history, you do not mind some more lies. The challenge we face, is that people are not generally interested in History. This generation is an easy target for all who base their knowledge on infotainment, not facts, and have relativism as their “god”.

      The Roman Catholic Church banned citizens from having copies of the Bible for 1.000 years. The Bible in Europe was a book for the clergy, and it was only translated into Latin. An ancient Roman Empire language only understandable for the Order brothers and priestly class.

      Those who tried to translate the Bible into local languages, were tried arrested by the Pope. Many of the were burnt at stake.

      Roman Catholic priest Martin Luther was rescued from the Papal butchers, by a prince on Northern Germany. Luther had discovered that the Roman Catholic Church called blasphemy for “holiness”. He wanted to translate the Bible into German, so people could read and do the same discovery them selves. The German Lutheran Bible completely scraped the Italian Roman Latin translation. Luther translated the German Bible directly from the original Greek scriptures.

      The Roman Catholic Church had absolutely no influence over the translators appointed by the Anglican King James. They used many Bible version as source for their translation, among them the German Lutheran Bible. They acknowledge the work of the “heretic” German priest, who had told the Germans that the Pope was an antichrist.

      1. Luther’s german Bible, printed at Gutenberg’s new machine, created a huge revival. Ordinary people could study the WORD for the first time, in their own language.

        The martyr Balthasar Hubmaier created Bible Schools based on the 12th edition of Luther’s german bible. And how did the Church respond to the revival in Waldshut 1524?

        http://wp.me/p3tGFm-3N

        Luthers german translation is just as good as the famous King James Version.

      2. Luther included his heretical views on baptism and communion in his particular translation. It’s as evil as any perversion of God’s word because of that. The protestant reformers should have abandoned the whore altogether and joined the Baptists of the time instead of wickedly joining Rome in persecuting them for refusing to partake in their continued mystical Romish heresies concerning baptism and the Lord’s Supper. Their poison is just as potent today to send their followers to hell as ever it was.

      1. Bhaleri,
        The Catholic Church got its start in Rome about 300 years after Christ’s death on the cross. Catholic history books claim the same thing.
        Only one group of Christians have never been a part of Catholicism nor of the Protestant reformation.
        They started with Jesus Christ and have never been swayed by any “winds of doctrine”. They have been known by different names throughout church history, but their doctrines of the New Testament has stayed truthful.

        The apostle Paul being inspired by the Holy Spirit of God, when he penned these words to young Timothy, saying:
        “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
        FORBIDDING TO MARRY, (Catholic church) and commanding to abstain from meats, (7th Day Adventists, Jews) ……

  1. Our Lord Jesus told us to love our enemies, why did He say that?

    Whilst the Catholic church may try and lay claim to the King James we now have several Bible translations some more accurate than others.

    All contain the advice ‘test all things and hold fast that which is true’.

    What do we know about the King Jamse? We all know some things and, we could all do with knowing more.

    One of the reasons King James ‘authorised’ this translation was because he did not like the way monarchy was protrayed in the version in common use at the time.

    Whatever his reason for authorising it, the Word of God finally made it into English.

    But, it does contain errors, and the one error I know can be traced to the Catholic church.

    Acts 12 verse 4 King James

    4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

    Acts 12 verse 4 ESV

    4 And when he had seized him, he put him in prison, delivering him over to four squads of soldiers to guard him, intending after the Passover to bring him out to the people.

    The King James was translated from the Latin, the ESV was translated from the Greek.

    The word ‘easter’ in the King James was used instead of passover because a church council Nicea I think, chose the Roman Easter festival to be celebrated instead of Passover which is the Biblcial feast God instructed His people to keep each year on 14 Nisan forever.

    Our Lord Jesus ate the passover lamb the night before His trial and crucifixion, He instructed His followers to keep the passover and remember Him by breaking bread and taking a sip of wine according to His instruction.

    In Britain we have Remembrance day for those who died in war, this is held once a year.

    Christ wanted us to do something in Remembrance of Him, once a year on 14 Nisan. Jesus fulfilled passover and became our passover lamb, we are to remember this, and in doing so we also keep God the Fathers instruction to keep the passover, we just have an additional reason.

    So, the Catholic Church can have some of the credit for some of the King James, the part that has led many to believe that Easter is one of Gods feasts when it is not.

    They have changed times and the Almighty does give warning to those who do this.

    Daniel 7 verses 25 and 26

    25 He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
    26 But the court shall sit in judgment, and his dominion shall be taken away, to be consumed and destroyed to the end.

    1. Ironic that you use the ESV which is in fact one of the new Vatican Versions, and you ignorantly criticize the word Easter in the KJB in Acts 12:4. Easter is correct and here is why –

      http://brand….Cencored. external links, not permitted. Edfitor).

      And this is what your Vatican ESV is really like

      “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Luke 8:8

      God bless

    2. Wrong. Herod was a Roman pagan and was waiting for the Aster or Easter celebration. The DAY of passover proceeds the DAYS of unleavened bread. The arrest was made during the DAYS of unleavened bread therefore the DAY of passover was already past. To this very day in Greece both the passover and Easter, which are totally different celebrations from two religions, are called by the same word in the Greek language. The King James translators got it right.

      1. Hi Sir. You are completely wrong about Easter. It did NOT start with the Catholic church. Know your history. Since they do not allow links, then do a Google search. Type in these two words. It will take you to my article on this.

        Easter brandplucked

    3. Sir, you are totally incorrect about Easter, and your “better manuscripts”, and the irony is you are now using one of the new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman. Since they do not allow links here, see the Proof that these new versions you like so much are in fact the new Vatican Versions.”

      Do a Google search. Type in these three words and it will take you to my article on this.

      Vatican Versions brandplucked

  2. This is funnier than Laurel and Hardy, the RC church has tried for 400 years to destroy the KJV and the true word of God and failed miserably, they appear to have finally gave up on that now and have decided to claim it as their own. How laughable, the book they murdered people for having is now their own book. This lot should be on stage.

    1. If only it was funny, we could all get some air in our lungs and have a good laugh….The catholic religion is very much theater-floor show, high drama, “son et lumiere” spectacles-with a deadly, vicious and corrupt muse right at the heart of every performance.

  3. What else would we expect from the whore of Babylon but lies and deception. The King James Bible translators were adamantly anti-Catholic and openly called the Pope the Antichrist. Rather, the reverse it true, it is versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB etc. that are in fact the new Vatican Versions. Don’t believe me? Here is the Undeniable Proof that the ESV, NIV, NASB and anything from the United Bible Society is a Vatican Version –

    http://brandplucked.webs.com/realcatholicbibles.htm

  4. To “Say’ that the AV1611 is A “Catholic Bible” is the HEIGHT of STUPIDITY….ANYONE who has Seriously STUDIED & LEARNED “koine’ greek KNOWS THIS……The AV1611 is God’s PERFECT WORDS in English…………

    1. Hello, sir. You are correct. Both king James and the King James Bible translators were adamantly anti-Catholic and it is the Jesuit counter Reformation that set out to destroy faith in the Bible as our final authority. It is so ironic that most professing Christians today are using the new Vatican Versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB and calling them “older and best manuscripts”.

      See the Proof that these are the new Vatican Versions . Since they do not allow links, just do a Google search with these three words –

      Vatican Versions brandplucked

      God bless.

  5. You evil bunch of fools missed the whole point. The article clearly (and accurately) states that the CORRUPTED king james book (I say book because it is NOT the bible) is derived from the true word of God which the true Catholic Church has used for centuries. You blind idiots so eagerly embrace these false “pick and choose” prophets and their various books of lies. There are some 30,000 “Christian denominations” today spewing Lucifer’s filth, fracturing God’s flock, hurling the stupid and ignorant further away from salvation. Instead of recognizing this absurd truth, you fools elevate serpents such as Luther and Calvin as gods, naming your “religions” after them. Even your ludicrous king james book is venerated as “the word of God”. What a complete farce! The way you puppets speek of the man is like putting him on par with Jesus. Please remember this book was authorized by the bastard son of the insidious Henry viii, king james was clearly just finishing his daddy’s work, yet you Anglo stooges can’t see his clear agenda? You people desperately need to stop reading about unicorns and satyrs in your king james fiction book and read some real history with primary sources about the father’s and origins of your misguided faiths. God bless, you’ll need it!

    1. You seriously need to chill out and read a history book instead of your bible. King James was not the son of Henry VIII. He was the son of Mary Queen of Scots, who was the granddaughter of Margaret Tudor, Henry VIII’s sister. That makes King James the great-great nephew of Henry VIII and hardly his son. I know getting facts straight is difficult, but if you’re going to go around calling other people ignorant and stupid, you should be less ignorant and stupid yourself first. Just saying.

  6. You evil bunch of fools missed the whole point. The article clearly (and accurately) states that the CORRUPTED king james book (I say book because it is NOT the bible) is derived from the true word of God which the true Catholic Church has used for centuries. You blind idiots so eagerly embrace these false “pick and choose” prophets and their various books of lies. There are some 30,000 “Christian denominations” today spewing Lucifer’s filth, fracturing God’s flock, hurling the stupid and ignorant further away from salvation. Instead of recognizing this absurd truth, you fools elevate serpents such as Luther and Calvin as gods, naming your “religions” after them. Even your ludicrous king james book is venerated as “the word of God”. What a complete farce! The way you puppets speek of the man is like putting him on par with Jesus. Please remember this book was authorized by the bastard son of the insidious Henry viii, king james was clearly just finishing his daddy’s work, yet you Anglo stooges can’t see his clear agenda? You people desperately need to stop reading about unicorns and satyrs in your king james fiction book and read some real history with primary sources about the father’s and origins of your misguided faiths. God bless, you’ll need it!!

    1. One of the more ignorant children of Rome posts – “You people desperately need to stop reading about UNICORNS and satyrs in your king james fiction book and read some real history with primary sources about the father’s and origins of your misguided faiths.”

      Catholic Bibles – Unicorns

      The Catholic Douai-Rheims 1610 and the 1950 edition of the Douay Version.

      Unicorns –

      Psalm 22:21 – Save me from the lion’s mouth; and my lowness from the horns of the UNICORNS.”

      Psalm 29:6 – And shall reduce them to pieces, as a calf of Libanus, and as the beloved son of UNICORNS.

      Psalm 78:69 – And he built his sanctuary as of UNICORNS, in the land which he founded for ever.

      Psalm 92:10 – But my horn shall be exalted like that of the UNICORN: and my old age in plentiful mercy.

      Isaiah 34:7 – And the UNICORNS shall go down with them, and the bulls with the mighty: their land shall be soaked with blood, and their ground with the fat of fat ones.

      The Douay Version 1950

      Psalms 21:22 – Save me from the lion’ s mouth; and my lowness from the horns of the UNICORNS.

      Psalms 28:6
      And shall reduce them to pieces, as a calf of Libanus, and as the beloved son of UNICORNS.

      Psalms 77:69 And he built his sanctuary as of UNICORNS, in the land which he founded for ever.

      Isaias (Isaiah) 34:7 And the UNICORNS shall go down with them, and the bulls with the mighty: their land shall be soaked with blood, and their ground with the fat of fat ones.
       

      The irony is that it is the “Evangelical” versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, NET, Holman, etc. that are in fact the new Vatican Versions. See the documented proof and the verse comparisons in my article. Google these three words, and it will link you to my site –

      Vatican Versions brandplucked

      As for the Satyrs, do a Google search, Use these two words and it will take you to my article on this. The King James Bible is always right.

      Satyrs brandplucked

      “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Luke 8:8

  7. Ignorant? Not at all, not even close. Your first error is in using the term “children of Rome”. Catholics are the true children of Christ, evangelizing the world as per Jesus’ wishes through his rock Peter. Protestants are merely regional movements of lazy people unable to maintain a relationship with God. So i unapologetically and enthusiastically identify as Catholic, which of the over 30,000 sects of liars do you belong to Will? Or does it change on a weekly basis, whatever the flavor of the week is I suppose.

    Now to dissect you. I admit though, I am pleased my posts are not being deleted and someone is attempting to challenge me. You seem rather intelligent Will, but horribly, horribly misguided, and I unfortunately have no sympathy for ignorance. I will demonstrate how your careless pride has placed you right into a trap. It is interesting that of all the bait I laid for you to reply to, you choose the rather insignificant terminology of unicorn to attack me with…

    First the satyrs. Let’s be frank here, these are mythical creatures that have no historical biblical context. Period. No amount of b.s. or backpedaling can change this. If he (kj) wanted to be accurate he would have had his translators say hairy ones, or demons or something along those lines. Instead he approved satyrs. A specific, and deliberate “translation” which deviates from historical texts. His interpretation (and this is key, because ultimately, the king james book is HIS interpretation and not God’s word) chose a description most lay people would misinterpret. Unless… He actually meant satyrs, a fictitious creature of Greek pagan mythology! Was king james a secret pagan? If your an adherent of sola scriptura you’d have to believe so! Literalist Protestants can’t simply pick and choose what to interpret as fact and what is symbolic, that’s just not biblical!

    The unicorn. You foolishly assumed that I meant Catholic Bibles (the Bible) had no mention of them. It is true that some English translations erroneously translated the original re’em as unicorn. However, for some time now, re’em has been universally accepted as being an extinct huge wild ox (or aurochs) that lived in that area. Now, my parents are old school Catholic, and they mentioned to me as a child that old Bibles had unicorns, but they never actually believed in magical white horses with a spiraled horn on its head, no logical person would. With that being said, only some English translations mention unicorns in real (Catholic) Bibles, but ALL king james books mention them. And they still mention them, even though the identity of the re’em is well known. Some Protestants are just so stubborn that they will cling to the lies of the king james cult even in the face of reason. The worst of whom actually spit on the nkjv for these subtle changes! Literalists will always read the word unicorn and Invision a mythological white horned horse… Yet another division in what was God’s perfect gift to mankind.

    I did read your website regarding the use of unicorn in scripture, and had more than one laugh, then I immediately felt bad… for you. I know your a very serious man, but you made me chuckle a couple of times lol. Try as you might, the general consensus says re’em = aurochs. But it might mean rhino, improbable but not impossible. Let’s delve deeper. The most probable species of rhino with a single horn is the Indian rhino, as you expertly mention (Indonesia is home to the small java rhino, also a unicorn ;). Today, this rhino only inhabits small parts of India. At its height it spanned from Pakistan, India and Nepal. Pretty far from the Hebrews. Despite this distance, it is still not impossible for Israelites to have seen or heard of this creature. But you must agree this is not now, nor ever has been a native creature of Israel. Right? Right. So it’s difficult to understand why a proud and traditional people like the Hebrews would choose the Indian rhino to symbolize their strength and unity as you claim. Wouldn’t that be like England electing a polar bear as it’s national animal? Surly the Brits know of polar bears and don’t get me wrong, they’re super cool, but they have nothing to do with England. Then again, unicorns are super cool too, might as well keep them your “bible”.

    Further, you claim ox’s are easily dominated and could not possibly be the creature in Job 39, 9. Well, let’s look at what this animal actually was. The aurochs, a giant ox most likely too large to domesticate. So this passage is very accurate when read using the proper translation citing “wild ox “. Even if we use your incorrect version and assume it’s an ox we all know of today. The Bible clearly states ” wild ” ox, meaning untamed, uncontrollable. This also works very well in the context it is written in. What are you gonna do now Will? This passage no longer fits into your paradigm so are you gonna just remove it and start a new religion? It’s worked over 30,000 other times, there will surly be fools to follow the blind.

    Last. This is the most relevant point. If james really knew all along that “unicornis” meant rhino, why didn’t he just use rhino? Surly he and his scholars were learned enough to know the difference. This was a book for the people, so why confuse them with this strange translation of a mythical pagan breast? Was this an example of his artistic license? Nah, he just thought unicorns were super cool!

    It’s difficult taking Protestants seriously when your view of history and facts are so twisted and corrupt. Take you for an example Will, on your website you criticize proponents of the ox translation for using conjecture. And how do you criticize, with your own conjecture! Example: “The REEM, most probably denotes the RHINOCEROS”. PROBABABLY! Or how you assume to know what Jerome’s knowledge base was during his mistranslations.

    So unless your some kind of unicorn specialist or unicorn activist, I hope you rebut with a more meaningful subject matter, I’d love to educate this audience on the errors of your cults, I mean “religions”, core beliefs.

    I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this book.
    >Revelations 22:18-19

    1. Hi “deep”, Sir, you and I will undoubtedly never agree on this issue in this lifetime, but what I have found to be true about men like you is this – none of you believe that any Bible in any language is or ever was the complete and inerrant words of God. You are both a bible agnostic and a bible rummager.

      But, so as to clear things up and make it perfectly clear where you stand, let me ask you this. Do you personally believe that ANY Bible in any language (translated or untranslated) IS the complete and inerrant words of the living God? Yes or No?

      IF Yes, can you then show us a copy or give us a link to where we can see it? Or can you tell us exactly which one it is and what it is called so we too can go out and get one for ourselves?

      If No, you do not believe that any Bible in any language is or ever was the complete (all inspired books in a single volume) and inerrant words of God, are you an honest enough man to simply admit it? Yes or No?

      Or will you, in typical bible agnostic fashion, simply dodge the question and pretend I never asked it?

      1. Will, do I sound like someone that will flee from a challenge? Especially such a weak one! Your really clutching at straws now mate. Let’s get the satyr thing out of the way…again. You provide no further evidence with your list. As far as I can tell you have provided a list of primarily, if not all Protestant bibles, which in my view are of no value and corrupt. Your claim that something is biblical because it appears in kjv, or a calvinist book is silly. The only biblical thing about these works is that they are butchered versions of classical Catholic Bibles. And yet, after all this, you still miss the point. I know unicorns have been mentioned in older Bibles, though I have not seen any satyrs in the Bible, they may be mentioned in old translations as well . That is NOT the point. When I brought up these mythical creatures in my first post, I was alluding to the fact that many, if not most Protestants adhere to a sola scriptura understanding of the Bible. Now stay with me. Protestants can’t wrap their heads around purgatory just because the word “purgatory” isn’t in the Bible (despite 2 Maccabees 12: 41-45, 1 Corinthians 3: 10-15, Matthew 5: 25-26 and others undoubtedly speaking of a place of cleansing the soul before entering heaven). Praying for the well being of the dead isn’t some new superstition invented by Catholics, it was a common tradition among all Christians during the first three centuries of the church, before that awful pagan Constantine corrupted the faith in the forth century (rolling eyes sarcastically). Protestants also have a hard time with Exodus 20: 4-5, claiming it is proof no statues or images are to be made, period. Yet they ignore Exodus 25: 18-20 or 1 Kings 6: 23-28 or Numbers 21: 6-9! I could keep going!

        My point is that so many of these misguided robots of Luther erroneously cherry pick what verses suit them. These uninformed masses stand on their steeple proclaiming “by scripture alone” and literal translations to arrogantly justify their moral superiority, yet when they read the word “unicorn” in kjv, it was a translators artistic freedom which actually symbolizes a rhino. I don’t think Jesus ever preached to practice double standards in the Bible, maybe in kjv? Let me provide another biblical example proving the idiocy of sola scriptura and literalists. Matthew 5: 39, turn the other cheek. One of the most misinterpreted verses of the Bible. If these righteous pacifists only read a few passages earlier (Matthew 5: 27-30), most would be forced to walk around with one less eye and hand.

        The Protestant sickness stems from your IDOLATRY of false prophets. Catholics wholeheartedly agree that graven images are not to be worshipped, but the Protestant conveniently forgets that God said not to place anyone above him (in any form our Lord takes, Father, Son, Holy Spirit). Idolatry doesn’t only mean to make statutes or paintings and worship them (which Catholics don’t) it also means to worship false scripture and prophets (which Protestants DO). There are over 30,000 “Christian” denominations, but most elevate their ambitious leaders above Jesus by attesting to being LUTHERan, CALVINist, ARMINIAN, MENNOnite or ANGLOcan (Anglican) referring to a race of people. Other “religions” that don’t name their sect after their leader still elevate him to the status of Jesus (eg. Jehovah’s witness). One of the sickest forms of Protestantism is the individual that jumps from cult to cult simply because the views of one doesn’t suit theirs a certain week. This type of Protestant will typically demand only one thing from the new cult they join, the use of kjv. This person is a worshipper of king james himself. The only thing these religions have in common is the blind, ignorant hatred of Christ’s Church. They don’t worship God, they worship IDOLS in the form of their cult leaders and their propaganda.

        Now to directly answer your silly question about the “preferred” bible. The truest form of the Bible would be in the Vatican archives. The original inspired scrolls which were translated into almost every language conceivable. It is unreasonable to think that when the Bible was first translated that each and every word would be an exact copy of the original Greek or Hebrew. These languages, as are all languages, are unique and don’t always have exact partners in other languages. This still happens today with common language. Not just in words and grammar, but slang and idioms. For example, the Spanish saying “hay que saber torear la vida” has no English equivalent, and if you simply translated word for word it would make zero sense to an English speaker, so the MEANING must be conveyed in a way the audience will understand, “you have to roll with the punches”. Verbatim, no. But the meaning of the verse is clear, this way the audience understands and it leaves out confusion (eg. Why re’em wasn’t originally used, but now that scholars understand its meaning, wild ox can confidently be used). A further example that translations are trickier than you believe. The English word for gravy is salsa in Spanish. In Spanish, salsa refers to almost all liquid food dressings. So if an English speaker read or heard a Spanish speaker ask for salsa, they would never know it could mean gravy. Language and translations grow with time, as does the understanding of ancient vernacular and context. I understand humans are imperfect, and if a words meaning has to be updated, I will not so easily lose my faith. I will logically and critically look at the update and think “does this change the meaning of the verse and/or contradict the teaching of the bible?”. If the answer is no, but instead ads clarity and understanding, then Bob’s your uncle.

        And since your so interested, the Bible I own is the Catholic NRSV. Is this the best of the best, I don’t know. But I can be confident it comes from a long line of historical truth dating back to the compilation of the first scriptures. Something no kjv occultist can claim. Why do you believe this book (kjv) is so holy? Do you actually believe he and his translators were inspired by God? That is your argument isn’t it? The son of the vile Henry viii, the heir of the church of ENGLAND (not the church of Christ) who’s only purpose was to perpetuate his father’s sinful ways was elected by God to spread truth? Morons! This book and it’s immediate “religion” only vindicated his daddy’s divorce and consolidated power in Britain. How many of you know of the Catholic genocide that occurred under his rule and his insidious sister Elizabeth? A genocide that far exceeds the inquisition in deaths and intolerance. Far exceeds!

        So Will, I believe I have answered and refuted all your questions and points, yet, you have yet to answer any of mine. Are you an honest man? Or will you follow the typical Protestant archetype in ignoring the evil history of your corrupt faith?

        Then Jesus said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
        >John 8: 31-32

    2. By the way, you are wrong about the Satyr thing and the traditional reading.

      See the whole article here

      http://brandplucked.webs.com/satdragunicorns.htm

      Not only does the King James Bible use the word SATYRS in the Isaiah passages but so also do the following Bible versions:

      The Geneva Bible 1587, Calvin’s Latin translation, the English Revised Version 1885, Webster’s 1833 translation, the Brenton Translation 1851, the Calvin Bible 1855, the Noyes Translation 1869, the Revised Standard Version 1946-1971, the Jewish Publication Society 1917 translation – “and SATYRS shall dance there.”, the Hebrew Publishing Company of New York version of 1936, Moffatt’s New Translation 1922, An American Translation by Smith and Goodspeed 1931, the Modern Reader’s Bible by Richard Moulton 1907, the Jerusalem Bible 1968, the New American Bible 1970, the New Jerusalem Bible 1985, Lamsa’s 1936 translation of the Syriac Peshitta – “and SATYRS shall dance there.”, the Greek Septuagint, The Word of Yah 1993, the KJV 21st Century version 1994 – “and SATYRS shall dance there.”, the Third Millenium Bible of 1998, The Judaica Press Complete Tanach 2004 – “and SATYRS shall dance there.”, the Apostolic Bible 2006, Bond Slave Version 2009, Hebraic Transliteration Scripture 2010, the Jubilee Bible 2010, Biblos Interlinear Bible 2011 – “and SATYRS shall dance there.” and the Conservative Bible 2011.

      The Modern Greek Bible also reads SATYRS – Isaiah 13:21 – “και σατυροι θελουσι χορευει εκει·” = “and SATYRS will dance there”

      The recent Jewish translation called the Judaica Press Tanach 2004 also has the word satyr in it in Isaiah 34:14 -“And martens shall meet cats, and A SATYR shall call his friend, but there the lilith rests and has found for herself a resting place.”

      And again in 2 Chronicles 11:15 reading: “And he stationed for himself priests for the high places and for THE SATYRS, and for the calves that he had made.” And again in Isaiah 13:21 – “and SATYRS shall dance there.”; and again in Leviticus 17:7 -“And they shall no longer slaughter their sacrifices to THE SATYRS after which they stray.”

      Some foreign language Bibles that use the word “satyrs” are the 1861 Portuguese de Almeida – “e O SATIRO clamará ao seu companheiro”, the Modern Portuguese Almeida 2009 – “e OS SATIROS pularão ali.” Isaiah 13:21. The Italian Riveduta 1927 – “i SATIRI vi balleranno”; the New Diodati 1991 (La Nuova Diodati) – “vi danzeranno i SATIRI”, Conferenza Episcopale Italiana – “vi danzeranno i SATIRI.” = “and SATYRS shall dance there.”; the Spanish Sagradas Escrituras 1569, Spanish Jubilee Bible 2010, La Palabra 2010 -”allí saltarán SATIROS.”, the 2014 Romanian Fidela Bible – “şi SATIRI vor dansa acolo.” = “and SATYRS shall dance there.”

      The Modern Greek translation as well uses the Greek word for satyr – “o saturos” in the Isaiah passages.

      The Greek Septuagint (LXX) – Regardless of when you think this Greek translation of the Old Testament was made or by whom, this version is chock-full of satyrs, devils, dragons, and unicorns. The word unicorns is found in Numbers 23:22; Deuteronomy 33:17; Job 39:9; Psalms 22:21; 29:6; 78:69, and 92:10.

      The satyrs are mentioned four times in the Greek Septuagint version. In Isaiah 13:22; 34:11 and 34:14 we read: “SATYRS shall dwell in it…devils shall dance there and SATYRS dwell there…and devils shall meet with SATYRS …there shall SATYRS rest.”

      Revised Standard Version 1946 – 1971 “and SATYRS shall dance there.” Isaiah 13:21

      Leviticus 17:7 “So they shall no more slay their sacrifices for SATYRS, after whom they play the harlot. This shall be a statute for ever to them throughout their generations.”

      Not only does the RSV translate this word as SATYRS in Leviticus 17:7, but so also do the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation, Moffatt’s New Translation 1922, An American Translation by Smith and Goodspeed 1931, the New American Bible 1970, Jerusalem Bible 1966, and the New Jerusalem Bible 1985.

      What about a modern “evangelical” version? Well, surprise! Let’s take a look at the New American Standard Version 1972-1995 Update.

      NASB 1995 – 2 Chronicles 11:15 “He set up priests of his own for the high places, for the SATYRS and for the calves which he had made.”

    3. Not that I am KJVO, but here we are commenting on the article that the Authorised Version is ROMANS Catholic, and you still blast it? Confusion as usual from your Kirk; which by the way is a BUILDING! Ignorant Catholics…you use Eusebius’ text done by the behest of Constantine. Origin the gnostic trained Eusebius and Origin made up his own manuscripts reflecting his man centered theology and of course this reflects in Eusebius. Back to Kirk (Church)…the proper rendering for the original Koine Greek (not Latin Vulgate) For the word ECCLESIA is not KIRK…your (Church) hides the true meaning so you (your church) is the only means of salvation, and without any guarantee. Ecclesia of course means “called out ones” as in this passage from the Apostolic Bible Polyglot, chosen because the Greek Orthodox are your closest (in fact used to be one) kirk buddy… *[[Mat 16:16-19/ABP2006 wo cr]]* %v 16% And answering Simon Peter said, You are the Christ, the son of the [God living]. %v 17% And responding Jesus said to him, Blessed are you Simon Bar Jonah; for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my father, the one in the heavens. %v 18% And I say unto you, that you are Peter, and upon this, the rock, I will build my assembly, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. %v 19% And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of the heavens; and whatever you should have bound upon the earth, it shall be have been bound in the heavens; and what ever you should have untied upon the earth, it shall have been untied in the heavens. By the way, the rock He builds on is not “stone” (petros), but ROCK (petra). He refers this to God the Father revealing this to Peter…this is how God has ALWAYS saved His people, through His promise to do so, and revealing it to those whom He chose from the foundation of the earth. As for Lutherans, the term, I’m not sure who coined it, but Rome started the Calvinists nonsense, the term, as well as Protestant. Lastly, the KJV was never a Roman Catholic Bible, but, is in parts, Anglican Catholic, thanks to Archbishop Richard Bancroft, who made sure ecclesiastical words and phrases reflected the Kirks Authority, and I don’t need anyone trying to show me different, heard it all…Anglicans are daughters of the Romish Kirk…period. The translators did the best they could to do their jobs right…but were ignored in places and hand tied in others. As far as your pagan, statue kissing, statue praying, talking to the dead, ring kissing, giving more honor to an earthy man, elected by men, with a murderous history (present included) Papacy and Popes…may God open the eyes of His elect that are still among you, and soon, as I see the Historicist View of prophesy (that held by the not Catholics and shown in the Geneva Bible notes) coming to a close.

  8. In the Septuagint, the word “unicorn” is “monokeros.”

    “Mono” means one and “keros” means horn, so here we have ‘one-horn’.

    If you say that in Latin, you get “uni-cornus”, from which we get ‘unicorn’.

    Today we think of a unicorn as a horse with one horn, but is that how the ancients thought of it?

    Here we have poetic expressions, figures of speech.

    For example ” as strong as a unicorn.”

    The Hebrew word for unicorn is R’em or R’eym depending upon how it’s spelled in different passages.

    It is an obscure word and the modern system for classifying animals scientifically didn’t exist back then.

    And this is how the Catholic Church deals with translation problems.

    This is fact.

    1. Your so boring. In the 17th century the term unicorn clearly meant what it does today, a prancing white horse with a horn. I will not waste much time with you, but ponder this: king james clearly hated the catholic tradition of using the Latin language. He abolished Latin texts and wished his religion to be read and UNDERSTOOD in English. Then, why use a LATIN word to describe a commonly known rhino? Simple, he misinterpreted not only the word, but the meaning!

  9. When Yeshua accended into heave from the cross, He told the diciples He had to go so HE could leave us with the Holy Spirt that would lead us into all TRUTH. Yet the catholic have replaced the HS with the pope , as if he is G-d and thinks he can forgive sins..what blasphemy, even after Christ told us the HS would lead us into all truth, and now the pope thinks he can be Father G-d , tho never will be and the bible says, do not call any man father but ME. he is antichrst. and when he was in Israel, he said he was coming as the man of peace… PLEASEEEEEEse.. It is so unbelievable that anyone could fall for such blasphemy. when John Paul was dying, he said, I have to go to purgatory for some sins and then go to heaven and stand at the right side of the Father..pray to me he said………..I all but fell of the couch..if that is not of satan , nothing is. not to mention praying to the dead as if all of us who believe in the real Yeshua were not, only the catholic say their saints are..it is twisted from hell. and holding Mary up above my preacious L-rd..It may work here but not in heaven. and how about him telling the islam iman that they serve the same god and why are we fighting….. and the catholic changed the Sabbath to Sunday the son god day..How anyone in their right mind would dare that..and that churches follow that tradition from cathoic after G-d said, my Sabbath will never change, no shadow of turning. so much from ell itself from this cult and it breaks my heart ..keep praying and being watchmen on the wall..time is all but up shalom

    1. You are truly a misguided one. Blind people’s arguments are so easily crushed. The “fundamentalist” will never experience the joy and truth of the Bible for two main reasons: the use of an incomplete and doctored “bible” and the crazy notion of sola scriptura.

      You refer to Matthew 23: 9 (call no man father). A popular verse for literalists to misinterpret, then weakly attack the Church with. Read Luke 14:26 and tell me if you interpret it literally as well.

      The Bible has several passages where the term “father” is used, and not all refer to Jesus or God. (Ephesians 6: 2-4, Luke 16:24, James 2:21, Romans 4: 1-18). The list goes on and on, but you Protestants can only seem to find Matthew 23:9… Curious. There are also several passages where people other than Christ refer to others as “children”, clearly portraying themselves as fatherly figures, but not God!

      There are so so so so so so so so so so so sooooooooooooooooooo many other issues with the comment you left, it’s best to take them one at a time. Until you understand hyperbole and how to interpret scripture with the proper exegesis, you are doomed and lost.

      I don’t think your blackened soul can handle too much light in one sitting, but meditate on what I said, read the passages provided and when you humble yourself, ask for more enlightenment. Also, it is of paramount importance to research the “fathers” and historical origins of your belief system, not just the wives tales your mama taught you. With Christ’s help you shall be set on the righteous path.

      And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.
      >Matthew 16:18

      1. Dear Mr. Deep.

        Shalom, and love in Jesus.

        You wrote:

        The Bible has several passages where the term “father” is used, and not all refer to Jesus or God. (Ephesians 6: 2-4, Luke 16:24, James 2:21, Romans 4: 1-18). The list goes on and on, but you Protestants can only seem to find Matthew 23:9… Curious.

        My reply:

        Lets take them one by one:

        Ephesians 6:2-4

        “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”

        Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

        (end of scripture)

        The Catholic “Christ” seems to be a confused being. He do not understand that there are fathers, mothers and children around. Or He speak non sense when he tell us “not to call anyone father”.

        How can this be?

        Is the Bible a fary tale book?

        For all Roman Catholics the answer is YES. To read the Bible will only lead to confusion and divsion. The Only one who can create order, is the “Holy father”. We are told that when we follow the Pontifex Maximus of Rome, we are safe and will stand united.

        What is the solution?

        You need to use both common sense, and understand who Jesus the Messiah is talking to. When Jesus says that we shall not all “anyone father”, he speaks to religious people who claim their religious Jewish leaders are their “spiritual fathers”. Just like religious Roman Catholics today, who claim their priests are their “spiritual fathers”.

        My best guess is that Roman Cathololics do not belive that their priests are their physical fathers. Since these priests are denied the right to have sex with women, and do obviously not have physical children. So how can anyone call a Roman Catholic priest for “father”, if it was not because he is considered to be their “religious father”?

        People who are God mockers will never except this kind basic instructions in the Word of God. They can not, because they obey the Papacy. And they will defend the doctrines of the Vatican the whole way into the gates of destructions. Unfortunately.

      2. You Sir are the Blind one. Following a religion that is based off Sun worshiping, Paganism. and Ancient Egyptian mystery school teachings. A religion INFESTED with pedophiles for priests, sacrilegious practices (Christmas, Easter, etc), and ruled by Jesuit Scottish Free Masons. Mother Mary worship,Idolatry of saints and statutes venerating “Mary” above Christ, Changing the 7th Day Sabbath, denouncing a personal relationship with Christ “outside” the Catholic Church (Per Pope Francis himself) and the list goes on. Best argument for the Catholic Church being anti-Christ lies in the Oath of those poops oh, sorry, I mean Popes:

        ” I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants’ heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus”

        You can keep your satanic whore of Babylon – I’ll follow Y’shua-Jesus and that of HIS teachings and Word, not some moron in Rome who dresses in robes who disguises her darkness in False light to the masses.

  10. I presume you are the owner of this heathen website Mr. Ivar. I appreciate your relatively good manners in replying to me. If only the rest of your site wasn’t so filled with rude ignorant attacks, I wouldn’t be here spreading some truth. Perhaps it was a godsend. I think the gentlemanly thing to do here is advise your getting it all wrong already. I selected those passages for a reason, and you apparently are walking right where I’m guiding you. Will you or any regulars on this site learn from this, I hope to God yes. At the very least to speak in a respectful manner about our beliefs (believe me, I can be much harsher in my criticisms). Depending on your next reply, I will adjust my aggression. I have two questions for you please. What is your denomination, and have you ever had a good faith conversation with a Catholic to understand our beliefs? Or is your propaganda based on hearsay and conjecture?

    Instead of biased often baseless attacks on Catholicism, perhaps focus on bridging the gap and understanding. For as you all know, we share a common enemy, a threat to everyone in the west, Islamic jihad. Now is a vital time to show unity, yes we may continue to debate in a gentlemanly fashion, but spreading this animosity only benefits the true enemy. I have several Protestant friends (Baptists, Mennonites, Presbyterian) and we coexist fine. Nothing breaks my heart more than the centuries of oppression Christians in the middle east have endured, Catholic or not.

    As I said before, your next move will determine the tone for this debate, please continue

    1. Mr. Deep.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      As I said before, your next move will determine the tone for this debate, please continue….

      My reply:

      Lets stick to facts, and not demands and specifications for your possible participation on this site.

      You call your unmarried priests for “father”. Why do you do that?

      The verse where Jesus warnes us NOT to call a religious leader for “father”, is given in the context were Jews are warned not to call their religious leaders for “rabbi”, another word for teacher.

      Could it be that Jesus the Messiah were not aware, of the presence of teachers in schools in Israel?

      Or, are we rather called to use a minimum of common sense, to take him seriously, and obey?

      Please reply.

      1. People like you are so painfully predictable. I’m not even referring to Protestants, just bad people in general.

        Just as I thought, you slam the door on a bilateral meeting of the minds simply so you may continue the atrocities and lies of this site. I never made any demands in stating your next move would dictate my reaction, you made a clear misinterpretation of my words. Looks like it’s not just the Bible you don’t understand.

        I did however politely ask your denomination. Why is no one here willing to admit the basis of their belief system? I am moved to believe you feel shame in naming your deity.

        Anyways, I will reply once you have lived up to your side of the bargain. You initially stated you would look at the passages I provided “one by one”. Here’s a reminder of what they are: Ephesians 6: 2-4, Luke 16:24, James 2:21, Romans 4: 1-18. You only looked at the first so far, why are we back at Matthew 23:9 already? Please finish what you started, it will be less typing for me.

        PS remember, the words are not as important as the context context context!

      2. Mr. Deep.

        Shalom.

        My best guess is that you are not on this site to debate. You did not answer my question, why you call your unmarried priest for “father”?

        If I do not see an answer to this question, your next message will ba spamed.

    2. Baseless? Attacks? No. Just questions gold and statues lining the churches of Rome. We want to know why? Why the idolatry? Why confession to a priest? Why the rosary? Why all these man made traditions that are not required?

  11. Does this make any sense:

    In 1 Corinthians 4:14-16, Paul said,

    “I am writing you this not to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children. Even if you should have countless guides to Christ, yet you do not have many fathers, for I became your father in Christ Jesus through the Gospel. Therefore, I urge you, be imitators of me.”

    And in 2 Corinthians 2:10 we read:

    “Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything,
    I have done for your sakes, in the person of Christ.”

    Above verses begs the question:

    Was Saint Paul married?

    1. Dear armorrcc

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      I am greatful for your last comment, a honest bid for debate on matters related to faith.

      1 Corinthians 4:14-17

      Paul’s Paternal Care

      14 I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. 15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church.

      My comment:

      I admit that this is a sequence of Paul, that can be misunderstood and misused. There will be someone who feel that Paul is not willing to obey the instructions of His master. (Matthew 23:9). Others may even start to claim that the Bible contradict it self.

      Paul call the Christians in Corinth for “infants”. They are not physical infants, but do only have very limited spiritual knowledge and understanding.

      You are my spiritual brother. Not my physical. When I call you brother, it is Jesus who have made us brothers. In Him. Jesus the Messiah him self calls those who belive in Him “his brothers”. A different kind of brother, than the phsyical brothers of the Messiah, sons of Miriam of Nazareth. They did not even believe in Him.

      Paul do not demand that the Church in Corrinth should call him “father”. He explains that he has a fatherly care for them, since they, indeed, have been left as “infants”. Timothy is called a “son” by Paul. Still Paul do not demand that Timothy should adress him as “father”.

  12. The King James is definitely not the Catholic Bible.

    The Catholic Connection to Hanukkah can be found in the Catholic Bible in the Books of Maccabees 1 and 2 and not in the KJV.

    Professor Jon Levenson, professor of Jewish studies at Harvard Divinity School had this to say:

    “And so we encounter another oddity of Hanukkah: Jews know the fuller history of the holiday because Christians preserved the books that the Jews themselves lost.”

    We know that Jesus celebrated Hanukkah in John 10:22

    This is a good reason to view 1 and 2 Maccabees as Scripture, since it’s the only potential Scriptural source for the festival.

    1. Here’s why I disagree with your last sentence: 1 & 2 Maccabees are part of the apocrypha, the same group of books that the Jews rejected as viable Holy Scripture, Jesus never quoted from it, and the apocrypha in whole contradicts, not just the Bible, but also itself. It deserves a place in the museum; not God’s Word.

  13. i am very surprise that people who beleave in God and his beloved son Jesus-Christ our saviour who preach Peace can use the kind of language that i read here.we suppose to be united and learn where we as Christians went wrong.we are here fighting each other instant of trying to find a solution.i am sure other religions not to name one are laughing and tomorrow some people would say we told you the Bible is not Holy .it was translate so many times and it contradict itself.That what you are confirming now,why so much violence in the language.Christians are being killed all over all over the World what are we doing about it?we just giving people reason to kill us some by fighting about what this bible said.after reading all of you, for someone like me who wants to learn you confuse me ,i don,t know which religion is right but i m glad today that i am not a fervent church goa .i know my HAVENLY FATHER and my SAVIOR JESUS_CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT. Period.
    GOD bless all of you ,we all really really need that. Amen

  14. after reading all of the above i actually forgot what i was researching. for the record i am catholic, that being said my heart is full of sadness reading the above, the self righteousness agenda that appears to be the tone of many comments from all denominations involved. i’m not here to jump into such a debate only to state no matter what one’s denomination is, didn’t Jesus profess love? Love God our Father with all our heart, mind and soul. Love thy neighbor as thyself and love thy enemy. I can only imagine God, the Father of ALL mankind, being saddened at the above attacks and Satan filled with laughter and glee. Instead of wasting the precious time our Father has given us, attacking each other regarding interpretations of unicorns and such, wouldn’t this time be much better spent in prayer for the world, God’s world. the homeless, hungry, sick, lost and try our best to follow in Jesus’ footsteps regarding the perfect virtues He lived and taught. In the end we answer to One, and One alone and i sincerely doubt He will have much interest in time spent which christians are attacking christians. We are one in Christ. God Bless you all.

    1. Dear eddy b

      Shalom, and love in Jesus.

      Yes, we are all one in Christ, if we only pray in the name of Jesus.

      Do you pray in other names?

    2. Eddy, you are quite correct. Have you ever heard a catholic priest run down another Christian denomination from the pulpit, or anywhere? No. Our priests spend time on a homily about Jesus Christ, the scripture reading of the day or other appropriate topics. And yes, we are ALL children of God, and like a loving Father that he is, it saddens him to see us squabbling over our beliefs. There’s a lot of anti-Catholicism around, and people are wasting their time on it.

  15. pray for the homeless,
    hungry, sick, lost that’s what the Pope said but look at his wealth it can actually stop poverty and for the lost he actually is brainwashing all of you. The Vatican, The royal family in London and the US Government are the ones to bring destruction to this world cause they are all Anti-Christ! Jesus Christ second coming is near.

  16. Well, i was a roman catholic BEFORE and graduated from a catholic school. Its very sad that it leads me to confusion?!, and im afraid that will lead to destruction. I am no longer a catholic devotee now. I just followed what the Bible says. Im on (niv) and as far as i read it, its very obvious that very contradict to catholic. Its a blasphemy especially that the second commandment from God, is erased by the roman catholic leaders. What a shame to God. Im not hating to this religion but i am just saying what my eyes seeing the truth. I believe that God has no religion. And that religion is darkness. And i believe also that kjv is not in the line of the catholic.

  17. And let us not forget that James the first was a MURDERER who persecuted non conformists, and burned born again Christians. The Pilgrim Fathers, puritans, fled from him, having been imprisioned. They hated the King James Bible and used another version. Baptist buning – quote from Crosby: “The other one [burned] was Edward Wightman, A BAPTIST, of the town of Burton upon Trent, who on the 14th day of December [1610] was convicted of diverse heresies before the bishop of Coventry and Litchfield; and being delivered up to the secular power, was BURNT at Litchfield the 11th of April following.” (Vol. 1, pages 108, 109).

    James was also a HOMOSEXUAL. His liking for young men is widely recorded by historians, including an account by Winston Churchill. Perhaps this is the why the LGBT church folk claim the KJV for their own.

    James was also a HERETIC, believing himself head of the church and having bibiblicql lineage going back to Adam

  18. I believe this is a type of false endorsement by the Pope to scare non-Catholics away from the KJV to modern translation that do endorse Catholic teachings. The Catholic church did all it could to finish its Douay Rheims bible before the KJV could go to print. The King James represents a problem to Rome because it leaves no loopholes for false doctrine. Several places in the Douay Rheims which either openly or subtly endorse Catholic doctrine have been used in modern translations as well. For example:

    “…For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” – KJV
    This portion of Matthew 6:13 is missing from not only the Rheims NT but also from the NIV, could it be that Rome considers itself to be the “kingdom” and the “glory?”

    “…and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it…” – KJV
    Again the Rheims NT and the NIV remove this part of scripture from Romans 14:6, since Rome teaches that to not keep its “holy days” is a mortal sin rather then let a Christian decide if he should keep them or not.

    “Confess your faults one to another…” – KJV
    A “fault” is defined as “an unattractive or unsatisfactory feature, especially in a piece of work or in a person’s character.”
    Here in James 5:16 the Rheims NT and NIV both change “faults” to “sins.” Why? Because the Catholic church teaches to confess sins to a priest for absolution rather than ask God for forgiveness.

    “…when he had by himself purged our sins…” – KJV
    Here in Hebrews 1:3 the Rheams NT and NIV both remove the words “by himself” due to the fact that Rome holds Mary as a co-redeemer:
    “When Mary offered herself completely to God together with her Son in the temple, she was already sharing with him the painful atonement on behalf of the human race … (at the foot of cross) she willingly offered him up to the divine justice, dying with him in her heart, pierced by the sword of sorrow.” – Leo XIII, Jucunda Semper, 1894

    These are only a few examples but it is obvious that the KJV was never the desire of Catholic church. It left no room for their numerous false doctrines. In Rome’s delight, every English bible since the 1899 “Revised Version” to the current translations have subtly plagiarized the Douay Rheims bible helping people become bed buddies with the Pope.

  19. I just dont understand all the hostility towards Catholics. We all believe in the same god. Yes the catholic church has its history with corruption every true catholic knows it and acknowledges it. Yet even now the catholic church which so happens to be one of the most charitable organization in the world. People find fault and reason to bash the church. You call the Catholic church the whore of Babylon then well damn it must be one generous caring whores.The thing that really upsets me is that catholic church is not the only church with a dark past. But is this the 1500;s or 1000’s, no it is not and the catholic church has since come a long way from the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. Yet you protestants can sit there and judge the church and everyone who belongs to it when the bible clearly tells one not to judge or cast the first stone. Always so hypocritical you protestant keyboard warriors.

    1. Well, Jarret, I am just stating the facts. The purpose of the Douay Rheims bible was to create loopholes for Catholic doctrine. As is. Don’t think that I am the one judging you. Jesus already tells us what will judge

      He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. — John 12:48

      “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:8

      If you are so worried about people questioning or judging your church and its doctrine, maybe you should ask yourself if your church is really legitimate.

      1. You said:
        The purpose of the Douay Rheims bible was to create loopholes for Catholic doctrine.

        Please provide proof. I will like to investigate this claim of yours.

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