The Pope blesses Muslims and sin over Africa

The Pope wants “god “to bless Mail, and make the people prosper. No mention of repentance, nor Jesus.

The Pope has arrived in Benin. He is there to say something pleasing to everyone.

The Vatican has made it a routine to send “traditional greetings” an route to the Pope final destinations. Going by air to Benin in Africa, the Pope first flew over Tunisia, Algeria and Niger.  Next, his aircraft crossed Burkina Faso and finally Ghana.

This is what the Catholic News provider have recorded:

” Though they only had Benedict XVI visiting for brief moments — and then, only from the air — six African countries received the assurance of papal prayers as the Holy Father flew over them on his way to Benin today”.

This is the Popes second apostolic journey to Africa.

The flight, gave the Pontiff an opportunity to express his wishes for peace and stability in Tunisia.

He sent his best wishes to Algeria and invoked upon the whole country “the benefits of the Almighty.”

May the Most High bless Mali and grant to all its inhabitants prosperity and happiness,” stated the telegram for this country.

To Niger, the Holy Father expressed the hope that it will “live in prosperity and progress unceasingly in concord and peace.”

For Burkina Faso the Pope voiced his hope that it would “live always in peace and fraternity” and that God would grant it prosperity and happiness.

For Ghana he prayed for “God’s blessings of peace and social harmony.”


My comment:

It will be pretty obvious to all except Roman Catholics,  that this kind of “blessings” have nothing to do with Christianity.

The Pope surely believe in “allah, who is “god almighty” in North Africa.  Down under his aircraft there were only Muslims. At least over Tunisia, Algeria and Niger.

To bless people who live in sin, is wickedness. Only lawless men would do that. Any Christian, with an absolute minimum respect for the gospel, will understand that the Pope do not represent the Messiah Jesus.

The Messiah would have told the North Africans to repent, or perish. To ask their “god” to prosper them, is like wishing them good luck the whole way to Hell. Only a pope would do that.

 Hosea 4:7
The more priests there were, the more they sinned against me; they exchanged their glorious God for something disgraceful.

When the Pope pronounce “blessings” from the air, he must not be mistaken for being the Messiah returning in the clouds of Heaven.

Written by Ivar

167 thoughts on “The Pope blesses Muslims and sin over Africa

  1. Thank you for this excellent article, Ivar. The Roman Catholic Church and the pope have taken a stand in complete opposition to what the Bible says is truth. The pope and his deceived followers chose to obey the lies of the devil and feast at the table of “food sacrificed to idols”. Philippians tells us:

    “Now I tell you weeping, for many walk that are the enemies of the cross of Christ: whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame.”

    Jesus has called us to come apart and to accept Him as not only SAVIOR but as LORD. This means that we leave the false teachings and “systems” created by man behind and follow ONLY Him.

    I was reading an article today entitled, “The Gospel of Satan” which talks about the counterfeit, corrupt teachings by not only the RCC but by many of today’s “ministers”. The works and teachings of satan closely resemble that of Christ’s gospel, but following it will lead you to hell. These modern-day “ministers” will give an account to God for giving out all sorts of unscriptural advice, playing “Dear Abby”, the least of which is telling unrepentant homosexuals that it is okay to keep on sinning because God’s “grace” is bigger than His wrath.

    What these “ministers” don’t tell you is that the nature of man is fallen, alienated from God, and dead in trespasses and sins. You won’t hear this from them — that not only does someone need to be “born again” — but that REPENTANCE is necessary. Their line of reasoning is straight from the mouth of the devil who is “at work in the same field in which the Lord sowed the good seed.” Any so-called “minister” who gives the ok to keep on sinning and CONFUSES REPENTANCE WITH WORKS, will not only find himself with blood on his hands from his unbiblical advice when his “victim” ends up in hell, but when he faces the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, he may end up accompanying his “victim” to hell, for inciting the wrath of God by preaching a false Gospel. This false Gospel is one that speaks of “radical grace” without repentance.

    These “ministers” are deceitful workers, IMITATING the apostles of Christ. “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing (not to be wondered at) if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works” (2 Cor. 11:13-15).

    “Christ said, “Except we REPENT, we shall all likewise perish” (Luke 13:3). To “repent” is to hate sin, to sorrow over, to turn from it. It is the result of the Spirit’s making the heart contrite before God. None except a broken heart can savingly believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

    “Thousands are deceived into supposing that they have “accepted Christ” as their “personal Saviour”, who have not first received Him as their LORD. The Son of God did not come here to save people in their sins, but “from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).

    “Enter ye in at the STRAIT GATE. For, WIDE IS THE GATE AND BROAD IS THE WAY THAT LEADS TO HELL AND DESTRUCTION AND MANY WILL GO THERE. Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life and FEW WILL FIND IT.”

    “Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesized in Thy name? And in Thy name have cast out demons, and in Thy name have done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.”

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  2. Oh! my dear brothers don’t you read the words…

    Luke 6:27-28 “But I say to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

    1. Dear Oldman


      Your explanation:

      You quoted:

      Luke 6:27-28 “But I say to you who are listening: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.

      My comment:

      Funny. Why was this not mentioned in the article from Zenit?

      Did they forget to write it?

      Or will the Pope tell this to the Muslim’s later?

      I guess when the aircraft land in Algeria, than the pontiff will tell the Muslims, they are the very enemies of “god”?

      Oldman: You are an excellent proof that Roman Catholics simply do not get it. Amazing, just wrote about such blindness in the present comment.

      It does not matter what kind of evil and wicked things the Papacy will say and do. You will support the Vatican the whole way into the broad gates of Hell.

  3. Ivar, your conclusion is erroneous. God loves all His creatures equally, and the Pope conferring God’s blessing over Muslims is harmonious with that Love, which is God Himself. Just because people live outside of God’s grace doesn’t mean that his blessings aren’t there.

    Your condemnation of people in general will bring damnation to you, Ivar. You have no right to judge.

    1. Dear David.

      Shalom, and welcome back with a comment after more than a year.

      You wrote:

      Ivar, your conclusion is erroneous. God loves all His creatures equally, and the Pope conferring God’s blessing over Muslims is harmonious with that Love, which is God Himself.

      My comment:

      This is humanism, and the consensus lie of the emerging One World Religion. The Gospel says something very different, about what love is. So much God loved the World, that He sent His only begotten Son. So that all who believe in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

      Those who do not believe in Him are lost. That includes all who claim that “allah” is “god”, the Koran the truth, and Muhammad the last and final prophet.

      A person who love a Muslim, will give him the gospel. Tell Him that the truth about God is found in the Bible. A proper prayer for Algeria, would have been. ” May the lost souls of Algeria, find salvation in the Son of God, Jesus the Messiah. May they repent from their sins, and be found in the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen.

      1. Hello to you, too, Ivar, I’ve also met your friend Sueliz…

        Regarding your comment, I have a question for you…Is God divided?

        Wnat you fail to understand is that there is one Truth. But there are many parts of one Truth. There is the Gospel, but how many truths are there in the Gospel? Some, Catholics, have all of them, some, like you, have some or most of them, and some have a few, and some have none. Those who do not have all the truth, through no fault of their own, God in his mercy will save.

        I’m sorry that your message to the Pope didn’t reach him in time, I’m sure he would have corrected his words for you. What you don’t seem to realize is that God already knows our needs before we ask, and provides for those needs. Nobody goes to hell accidentally, Ivar. If you’re saying that some do, your becoming a judge…and what did Jesus say about judging???

      2. Dear David.


        I do not have a good heart. Neither do Sueliz. But He who lives in our hearts, is greater than He who lives in this world. I also believe in free speech, so do Sueliz. We love all Roman Catholics. But do hate sin, and in particular Catholicism.

        The roots of Christianity, is found in Judaism. In the Torah, and in the Tannakh. If Christianity is not rooted in Judaism, it will forever stand as a false faith, an invention by man.

        Yesterday I read a few verses, that to the point explain why the Roman Catholic priesthood sails in the same ship as King Saul. They all disobey God, and share the same destiny.

        1 Chronicles 10:13-14

        Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

        (end of verses)

        For all who obey, my point is obvious. We shall not use mediators between us and God, other than Jesus the Messiah. Even if we, like Saul, get in touch with the most “holy” of the departed souls, this kind of intersessions are a grave sin, that is damnable and will be punished.

        Even if the mother of Jesus was onipresent (which created beings are not), she would not even consider to entertain millions of deceived Roman Catholics. If she could speak to all of them, she would have addressed Roman Catholics as Samuel spoke to Saul.

  4. 2 Corinthians 4:4
    The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

    1 Corinthians 1:18

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

    John 3:18

    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

    1. We meet again, Sueliz. Maybe I won’t be banned from posting. Ivar has a good heart and allows freedom of speech.

      What makes you think you that you know people’s heart well enough to know what they ‘worship’? God knows, but you don’t.

      So, who do you believe is worshipping what?

      1. Our actions speak loud & clear of what is going on in our hearts. If not, we are hypocrites. Therefore, kneel in front of a statue, u r worshiping it. Kneel in front of ornate gold, u r worshiping it. The simplest of humans comprehend this…does not require great debate.

      2. Dear Kay.

        Sabbath Shalom.

        Thanks for ministering to David. We exchanged more than 100 emails and comments back in 2009. He is a former “Protestant” who converted to the Catholic Faith. I believe David will leave all kind of religious systems, and embrace the true Messiah.

      3. Dear David,

        As you may remember, I was once a devout Catholic. When I kneeled before a statue and kissed the feet of “Mary”, I thought I was giving honor to the one who was represented in the statue. I was not “honoring ” the statue. But this is what Aaron also did, claiming the calf represented the God of Israel.
        I was very wrong to do what I did. God’s commandment forbids graven images. Part of this is because we are weak and human and there is always a small if not big venerence given go stone and wood even if you don’t admit it. We were taught that staues were sacramentals and even helped ward off evil.
        Nonsense and the opposite is true. I rejoiced the day I threw out my idols so the Word could truly be worshiped in spirit and truth.
        God bless you David.

      4. Greetings David and God bless.

        I don’t claim to know people’s hearts. I know that a Muslim worships Allah, a Buddhist bows before Buddha, a Hindu worships many gods and gives idols milk to drink off of a spoon.

        We need to love people ENOUGH not to let them die in their sin. We need to love others enough to share the one and ONLY LIVING God, Messiah Jesus of Nazareth.

        To let people remain comfortable worshiping false gods and to have a false ecumenism for the sake of peace and unity is NOT loving them. Rather hating them.

      5. Kay, you have no way of knowing what someone who is kneeling is doing. Do you ever kneel and pray reading your Bible? Are you worshipping the book?

        What you say is worshipping, I call honor to the one represented by the statue. Only God deserves worship. It’s true, one way we can do that is by kneeling. But kneeling does not equal worshipping.

      6. Dear David.


        There is an absence of Bible verses in your approach. We shall not bow down to created images. I know that the Catholics have deleted the second commandment, but I will nevertheless repeat it.

        Exodus 20:4-6

        4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

        This should be ABC. But all who hate the Word of God, will defend their actions right into the gates of Hell. All kinds of man made explanations will be given for why the scriptures can not be understood by others than Roman Catholic priests.

        David: Why did you come back to this site. If you are happy living in sin and disobedience, there is no one who can help you. Do not expose your self for more pain, from people who Obey the Lord.

      7. LUKE 5:33

        Then they said to him, “John’s disciples frequently fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours continue to eat and drink.”
        34 So Jesus said to them, “You cannot make the wedding guests fast while the bridegroom is with them, can you?

        The WORD became flesh and lived among humans.
        Now He has an image.
        Jesus is the NEW WINE. One cannot put NEW WINE into old………
        Hope you understand

      8. Dear Oldman.


        You wrote:

        The WORD became flesh and lived among humans. Now He has an image.

        My comment:

        Absolutely not. The ‘Church” has not one. The Catholic Church has thousands of them. They are all different, and they make a mockery of the Word of God. Some claim “Jesus of Rome” is a blue eyed, pale and anemic Italian. Others have made him look like a black negro from Sudan (There are many good Italians, and there a lot of wonderful brothers of us in Sudan).

        In the court of Law, no one would believe the Pope of Rome and his followers. The jury would laugh, and the judge will pull out his hear. The witnesses of Rome claim they have seen an image of a man, but can not agree on a single detail of how He looked. Their case is a fraud, it holds no merits.

        The Roman Catholics will be convicted, and sent to the eternal prison. Their crime: Lawlessness and false testimonies.

        The Judge will not listen to pit full men. He will study the Law (The Bible), and his verdict will be fair and just.

      9. Sueliz, actually, you’re wrong. Honoring Mary and worshipping the golden calf are different things. The Israelites actually said that the golden calf was their god.

        Secondly, if you knelt and kissed the statue’s feet, that’s your own problem. I’ve never kissed a statue’s feet. Ever. I have knelt before the statue and thanked the one represented for his/her service to God, and for his example to me and humanity. Definitely different.

        God forbade the worship of graven images, not the making of images. You believe God forbade the making of images, but then God contradicts himself, for in the desert, he commands Moses to make a seraph serpent out of bronze, that all the Israelites who were bitten by the serpents might look on it and be healed.

        No, God does not contradict himself. What he forbids is the worship of idols and graven images. In today’s society, that takes many forms, as seen past Friday for the “Black Friday” shopping. People would do anything for a television, or a toy. Or to be good at football, or rich. These are the idols of today, and yes, they are not to be worshipped at all.

        Another thing I will tell you is that the Catholic Church does not demand that you hug and kiss Mary’s statue. That might be a way some of the faithful honor her, but it’s not, and never has been, a requirement. We cannot be responsible for how people honor our saints. In fact, many do things to honor saints that I would be appalled by. But we are supposed to honor our saints.

      10. Ivar,
        “Deleted the second commandment”? Is that why we have 10? Actually, we combine the command against idolatry with the first command, since God didn’t number them, and they seem to present more than 10…:) So the first commandment is Exodus 20:2-6. Which, taken as a whole, says that you shall love God, and you shall not make yourself, or any other thing on earth and idol.

        And again, Ivar, you’re wrong-I do not hate the word of God, neither does any good Catholic-we hear and study the Bible on a weekly basis. Some of us much more.

        Why did I come back? Because you stated something incorrectly about the Catholic Church. If you keep doing that, I’ll keep correcting. If you stop doing that, and focus on your own faith, rather than refusing to understand another faith, then I won’t come back.

        But almost everything you say and believe about the Catholic Church is wrong. So it may be a while. Of course, you could ban me…

      11. Sueliz,
        The best way to show our God (yes, yours AND mine) is to live the Way of Jesus. Not to beat them over the head with it. Actions, as has been said in this comment section, speak louder than words. Francis once invited a brother to go to town and preach. They walked into town, smiled and silently nodded to people, walking around the square, and finally returning back to their convent. Upon returning, the brother said “Francis, I thought we were going to preach?” Francis said “We just did”.

        Living Christ is much better than throwing scripture at him.

        I also personally witness by my manner. If someone asks me, I will certainly tell them the reason for my joy. It’s like fishing. You cannot force a fish on to the hook. You can entice him, and lead him, and sometimes you even catch him. But he has to want the bait bad enough to be willing to endure the pain of the hook. For most of the world, the best we can do for them is to pray for them.

  5. David,

    I lived the ‘devout’ Catholic life.And studied at an orthodox Catholic university. So has Kay.

    Ivar, also has full knowledge of Catholicism. There is not much you need to educate us on.

    You simply can not see what Catholicism is. Why sit here and debate?

    The serpent is not a graven image. It’s a snake. Not an image of woman or man, as the bible states.

    BTW, the RCC is the only church who “combines” the second commandment. The Hebrew bible does not do this, and neither does any other denomination.

    You said:
    The best way to show our God (yes, yours AND mine) is to live the Way of Jesus. Not to beat them over the head with it.

    My comment:

    How are you being Christlike on this site? And how do you perceive
    to be beaten, by reading the scriptures presented?

    You don’t understand. I stood where you are now. and the Lord showed me THE WAY.

    1. In the past, I have ‘honored’ many a saint with sincere, child-like devotion. As was encouraged me to do so by the Catholic Church.

      I slept w/ my baby Jesus statue & loved dressing him. I carried a crucifix underneath my shirt & held ‘my Jesus crucified’ close to my heart. Don’t get me started on the Virgin Mary: I have spent years of prayer honoring her. I even named my first 3 children after saints that I ‘honored’; whom I visited their incorupt bodies on European pilgrimage.

      I did so much honoring there wasn’t much time to pray to Jesus. And b/c of all the honoring I did, I believed to not be worthy to approach Jesus, my Savior. Now, that I have accepted Jesus as my ONLY Lord & Savior & God, I cry out for all the lost hours in my life when I was mislead to ‘honor’ dead men.

      Who gives you permission to ‘pray to’ a dead man?

      The Roman Catholic Church is made up by men. I won’t follow the beliefs of other men any more. All I want is to learn about my Savior and; to worship Him. I have followed man to Rome and back…and stood in fear of man and his laws. No more. such joy and freedom in Christ alone. When you have the REAL THING, you recognize the fake and; do not choose it and even find it distasteful.

      In Him alone, I have found joy like no other & in Him I have experienced the Holy Spirit – this Spirit Never lived in me while I was a devout catholic. Never.

    2. If you folks think you know Catholicism, why do you misstate her teachings so much? It demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding, or a deliberate attempt to misdirect people. Cannot see what Catholicism is? I see exactly what Catholicism is-the Church-the one church-which Jesus proclaimed in Matt 16:18 and sent the Holy Spirit to direct.

      The serpent that Moses crafted and placed on a pole was a graven image.

      How am I being Christlike? By teaching what Christ said and did. Very imperfectly, I might add. But I try. My reference to being beaten was about how you quote scripture without trying to explain your point. As regards to those the Pope prayed for, you cannot just spout scripture and expect to convert hearts.

      Sueliz, what does John 6 say to you?

      1. Dear David


        You wrote:

        As regards to those the Pope prayed for, you cannot just spout scripture and expect to convert hearts.

        My reply:

        No, for sure. But put a crucifix up under their nose, and they will quickly convert to Catholicism.

        The Bible exposes your falsehood.

        Matthew 24:14
        And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

        Colossians 1:23
        if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.

      2. Could you explain to this dumb Catholic in plain English your point?

        Ivar, there are many ways to preach the Gospel. The most important way is to live it.

    3. Kay, regarding your first section, that’s not how the Church teaches us to honor the saints. They are all there to show us to Jesus.
      Regarding praying to dead men, we don’t. The Saints in heaven are alive. Even the souls in hell are alive. Once you’re conceived, you’re soul is eternal.

      The Catholic Church is an earthly institution spoken by Christ when he came among us. The bureaucracy is certainly manmade, but the teaching and following of Christ is guided by the Holy Spirit.

      1. David.


        Just stop your non sense. You have learned nothing since 2009, and your sins and lawlessness has been exposed.

        You wrote:

        Regarding praying to dead men, we don’t. The Saints in heaven are alive.

        My reply:

        When did you become God, and knows who are in Heaven or not?

        I guess you believe that the Pope knows for sure, and that all the skeletons, skulls and corpses He declare “holy” are just the leftovers of what the Roman Catholic Church has managed to push through Purgatory?

        Some of the saints of the Pope, might have been hypocritical liars. Like many of the present perverts in the Roman Catholic priesthood. You bow down before remains of homosexual offenders, who might have raped the young boy next door.

        Shame on you. Brood of vipers. Repent or perish.

      2. David,

        The Roman Catholic Church indeed teaches us to ‘honor’ saints like I did (dressing statues, embracing crucifixes, etc.). How do u think the clothes of hundreds ( perhaps thousands ) of dead saint bones are cared for? By people who are charged w/ undressing the skeletons, washing the clothing, changing them for holidays, etc. And then re-dressing them. How do Virgin Mary statues get their glorious cloaks & crowns? By people sewing, purchasing & dressing the statues. Pilgrimages to various catholic shrines, churches around the world encourage many faithful to make a trip to holy ground & pray to the saints there (for ex. Fatima, Lourdes – both places I pilgrimages to). Many saints have worn & many religious do wear crucifixes under their shirts like I did. Does the Church teach this? Surely. Read the lives of saints whom RCC has canonized (for exSt. Therese of Lisieux). And the Church teaches this by example, by action: having crucifixes in many a church & in the hands & on the breastplates of many exposed dead saint skeletons.

      3. I’ve learned a lot, Ivar. I’ve learned more deeply that the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded.

        How do we know who’s in heaven? The Holy Spirit leads us. Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom in Matt 16:18-20 and promised that the truth would never leave His church. John 14:15-17 says: “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

        Can you prove that any saint was a hypocritical liar? I won’t hold my breath, you’re just spewing. The very fact that you hold the Catholic Church on earth to a higher standard than you hold yourself is very telling…I guarantee there are more child molesters in numbers and percentages in all other Christian faiths than there are in the Catholic Church. But I’m waiting for you to cast the first stone, Ivar…you who is without sin…

      4. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        How do we know who’s in heaven? The Holy Spirit leads us.

        My reply:

        The Scripture is foolishness to all who are perishing.

        Romans 10:5-8

        Moses writes this about the righteousness that is by the law: “The person who does these things will live by them.” But the righteousness that is by faith says: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” that is, to bring Christ down “or ‘Who will descend into the deep?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim.

        (end of scripture)

        Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a sin that will never be forgiven.

        Deuteronomy 18:10-12

        Let no one be found among you who sacrifices their son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

      5. Dear David


        You wrote:

        I guarantee there are more child molesters in numbers and percentages in all other Christian faiths than there are in the Catholic Church.

        My reply:

        Wow. The very championship in who is the most wicked. Your insight gives me a reason to question if you are one of the insiders.

      6. Dear Oldman.


        Fools have always wanted to get a man made foot into Heaven.

        Genesis 11:4
        Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

      7. Dear Ivar,

        “Fools have always wanted to get a man made foot into Heaven.”

        So you are telling that no saint is in Heaven. Right?

      8. Dear Oldman.


        You asked:

        So you are telling that no saint is in Heaven. Right?

        My reply:

        Did I ever say that?

        What I said is that using a medium, is pure witchcraft. We have only one mediator between God and man, and that in Jesus the Messiah. Only He knows who is in Heaven, and who is in Hell. The Word of God (Jesus) gives us some examples, of men who are in Heaven and hell.

        But we are not going to consult the departed souls, where ever they might be. If we consult someone who are in Hell, we entertain a demon. No departed soul is omnipresent and can hear us. So such consultations brings judgment.

        Witchcraft has once been permitted by God to give us a stern warning.

        Did you learn anything from Saul consulting the departed soul of Samuel?

        Probably not.

        A Pope who declare who is in Heaven and exhume his remains to be beautified and canonized, elevate him self to the very seat of God. That is why the Pope is the man of sin, the man of lawlessness.

      9. Dear David and Oldman.


        You are lawless men, and you will get what you deserve. Repent, renounce the Papacy as evil, or you will all perish.

        Psalm 73:25
        Whom have I in heaven but you? And earth has nothing I desire besides you.

      10. Ivar, who gives you the authority to say who’s foolish/perishing? Ivar, Romans 10:5-8, who is Paul talking to? Who is he talking about?
        Regarding child molesters, I’m not glorifying them. But when you point fingers at someone, just remember you have four more pointed back at yourself.

        Kay, I’m sure there’s people who do those things you’re talking about. How does that constitute idolatry? Do I wear a crucifix? Sure, I do. Many Catholics do. Many Orthodox do, too. It’s not a teaching of the Church that we must wear crucifixes. And they do not make us holier than someone else. The presence of crucifixes in Catholicism is about the root of Christianity-without the crucifixion, there is no resurrection. We don’t worship those things, though. You may feel you were participating in worship, but that’s not what the Church teaches or encourages.

        Sueliz, you’re right, when the Apostles spoke truth, souls were lost. That’s why we speak the truth. And there have been more Catholics martyred for their faith in the 20th century than at any other time in history. And the pope does speak the truth. I guess you’d be happy if he walked from Rome to South Africa and spoke to every person on the way. As you yourself have, doubtless, done.

        Ivar, I love how you are so judgemental. As if you know who’s in heaven yourself!

      11. Dear David


        You wrote:

        Regarding child molesters, I’m not glorifying them. But when you point fingers at someone, just remember you have four more pointed back at yourself.

        My comment:

        You have a fine way of accepting sin and perversion in the Catholic Church. You just claim that since there are perverts other places too, why should I accept that the Roman Catholic Church is a complete failure.

        If you were not a man of lawlessness, you should rather say: ” My priest and bishops have covered up for crimes against humanity for decades. In Ireland the amount of perversion have been declared a national Church calamity. Maybe as many as 150.000 children have been raped or molested by “holy priests” and Bishops since the 1930-ties”.

        Please read this article:

        Get down on your knees and beg for mercy. Renounce the Roman Catholic Cult as evil and useless for the Kingdom of God.

        This is the truth. The whore of Babylon feed her self with sins and perversions, and have multitudes of men defending her. The whore of Babylon has many daughters, that will return to her and hail the Papacy.

        Away with these men, into the burning flames of hell. And likewise with all who have kept silence, knowing they are serving the very priesthood of Satan, who worship the devil in the name of “christ”.

  6. We are raising doctrines above Jesus by inciting a debate on doctrine alone, but He is the limit ( alpha-omega) not doctrines .
    God loved the world: He gave his one and only son.
    He still love the world with His unconditional love and mercy on us.

    Matthew 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ (old wine) 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, (new wine) 5:45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

    John 13:34 “I give you a new commandment (new wine)– to love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

    Pope’s blessings on Muslims is an act of love – Gods way.

    I pray the holy spirit to give us the wisdom. Amen.

    1. Dear Oldman.

      You wrote:

      We are raising doctrines above Jesus by inciting a debate on doctrine alone, but He is the limit ( alpha-omega) not doctrines .

      My reply:

      1 Timothy 4:16
      Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.

      1 Timothy 4:1
      The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

  7. Dear Ivarfjeld,

    As you know if anything said against one’s faith will spark violence worldwide. And one can expect lot and lot of innocent souls would be lost because of this.
    And you want Pope to say something other than blessings.

    Black forces of this world want and making moves to mass killings before divine mercy and great warning takes place.

    Are you really working for God

    1. Dear Oldman.


      You wrote:

      And you want Pope to say something other than blessings.

      My comment:

      Humanism will not save anyone. People who have shared the gospel with others, have always been massacred and killed by anti-Christs of various kinds.

      John 15:18
      “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first.

      James 4:4
      You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.

      If you can not see that there verses fits perfectly to your own life, you are lost. Lost for eternity. You are yoked with sinners and lawless men. That is your choice.

  8. Dear Old Man,

    When the apostles spoke the truth, innocent souls were lost. They were martyred. When the Gospel was preached, they were beaten and put in prison. This was also a spark of violence.

    Should they have said nothing but blessings or told the people the truth that would set them free?

    The Gospel is always a dividing line. Will you compromise it for the sake of peace or speak boldly the truth in the power of the Holy Spirit?

    It’s better to die speaking the truth than to compromise the gospel.

    Speaking the truth is what brings people to Jesus, not shrieking from truth.

  9. David,
    This is the truth the pope speaks that you will follow: that there will be a world “political authority” and world bank. B16 and JP2 both called for a ‘new world order.’ And according to scripture it will come to pass. That is what you follow David. And you will follow it right into a the one world religion.

      1. Dear Tony N.


        I have edited your comment for two reasons. You comment was not related to the concerned article. It was long, and had multiple links to articles that had nothing to do with “our lady of Africa”.

      2. Dear Tony N.

        I have spammed you, till you get my message. I just saw another long booklet about Obama and his health care plan.

      3. sorry I thought this topic was Covering One World order theory and I wanted to add that it is all about worldwide population control .

      4. I am sorry I thought the topic included One World order theory too , and i wanted to add that I think its all for worldwide population control and the links were to show the very words spoken by the technocrats that are running the International organizations that are advising the Governments in the world to bring about this One World order that will place control of consumption in the hands of these elitists , and from that point they will control our needs instead of the Free markets setting the production based off demand . and then they can use a means of attrition to reverse engineer life expectancy backwards .

      5. Dear Tony N.


        Just go to the right hand column on this blog. There is a category named One World Government. There you will find articles about your topic. Publish a comment there. Make it short, and take one point at the time. People do not read huge booklets, so do not waist your time.

    1. Actually, the Pope didn’t call for a world political authority and a world bank. A cardinal did, and he was severely reprimanded for saying such a thing. Can you tell me where you find that JPII called for a New World Order?

      1. You’re talking about two different popes. First off, do you believe that there is some perfect governing body anywhere on earth? If so, I have a bridge I’d like to talk about selling to you. The point is that the UN is ineffective, the IMF is ineffective, and so on. Calling for those things is just a recognition that what we have isn’t sufficient. Doesn’t say anything about the Pope or the Catholic Church being the one to do it.

        Secondly, do you know what Caritas en Veritate means? And what makes you assume I haven’t read said document?

        By the way, we do not hold secular sources as veritable when it comes to reporting on the Church. Even the Vatican’s own newspaper often gets it wrong. And the NYT? Come on, already proven disreputable…

  10. Catholic doctrine is undeniably a major deviation from orthodox Christianity. Like all cults, it DENIES the fundamentals of the Christian faith.


    1. Canon 212 of Catholicism’s Code of Canon Law requires that Catholics must give absolute obedience to their “sacred pastors.”

    2. Vatican II states repeatedly that only Catholicism’s hierarchy can interpret the Bible and that papal pronouncements must be obeyed without question.

    3. Canon 333 declares, “There is neither appeal nor recourse against a decision or decree of the Roman Pontiff.” Vatican watchdog Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger’s recent 7,500-word “Instruction” declares that dissent about church teachings cannot be “justified as a matter of following one’s conscience.”

    No cult demands surrender of mind and conscience more fully or arrogantly than Roman Catholicism.

    4. Catholicism’s Christology is heretical. It denies Christ’s exclusive role as mediator between God and man, making Mary “co-mediatrix”. It denies the exclusivity of His redemptive work, making Mary “co-redemptrix”.

    (Vatican II credits Mary with a perpetual “salvific role; she continues to obtain by her constant intercession the graces we need for eternal salvation.)

    It denies the sufficiency of His redemptive work, declaring that the redeemed must, in addition to Christ’s suffering for them upon the cross, suffer for their own sins here and/or in purgatory, etc.

    A great deal more heresy is involved in Catholic Christology, such as presenting Him as perpetually an infant or child subject to His mother, perpetually on the cross.

    The “Christ” of Roman Catholicism is just as false as its “Mary”— as much “another Jesus” as that of Mormonism or any other cult.

    The teachings of the Catholic Church today PROVE they DO NOT resemble the first century church. Nowhere in the New Testament do we see:

    • Priests offering sacrifices for sins
    • Indulgences remitting punishment for sins
    • Prayers for souls in purgatory
    • Church leaders forbidden to marry
    • Infallible men
    • Salvation dispensed through sacraments
    • Rosaries, scapulars, holy water, crucifixes & statues

    Those who believe Rome’s lies and follow her gospel of works for salvation are lost.

    How tragic to assume that Catholics are Christians who merely have some peripheral beliefs and practices which seem peculiar to Protestants but which will not prevent them from being saved.

    A false gospel is a false gospel, and it damns those who believe it.

    1. 1. You forgot the words “inasmuch as they represent Christ” referring to the pastor.
      2. Nope. Does say that the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth, and the Holy Spirit’s guidance to interpret the Bible. We don’t have to do anything without question.
      3. This is true of any head of any body of governance. So what?
      4. When did you become pope? You don’t know what you’re talking about here.
      Mary’s maternal mediation does not obscure the unique and perfect mediation of Christ. Indeed, after calling Mary “Mediatrix”, the Council is careful to explain that this “neither takes away anything from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator” (Lumen gentium, n. 62). And on this subject it quotes the famous text from the First Letter to Timothy: “For there is one God and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all” (2:5-6).

      In addition, the Council states that “Mary’s function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power (Lumen gentium, n. 60).

      Therefore, far from being an obstacle to the exercise of Christ’s unique mediation, Mary instead highlights its fruitfulness and efficacy. “The Blessed Virgin’s salutary influence on men originates not in any inner necessity but in the disposition of God. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it” (Lumen gentium, n. 60).
      Taken from:
      L’Osservatore Romano
      Weekly Edition in English
      8 October 1997, page 11

      I have a question for you? Do you participate in Christ’s redemptive work?

      How tragic that you think you have the capacity to judge a person’s heart. That’ll get you to hell pretty quickly. Be very careful.

  11. David,

    Don’t take me for a complete idiot. Of course I’m talking about two different popes, with the same agenda.

    Yes, I know what Charity in Truth means.I’ve read the entire document.

    You can’t read between the lines and refuse to see the truth. Even Catholics admit to the popes calling for a NWO. You continue to make excuses for their lawlessness and evil plans.

    I’m wiping the dust off my sandals with you David.You are here as a papist and to enforce papal dogma.

    1. Oh, I did that with you guys a long time ago, wiping the dust from my sandals. First you’re too scared to even name your denomination, so that folks who read this stuff on here can’t even know what your point of view is. You light a candle and then put it under the bushel basket.

      No, most Catholics admit no such thing. I’m sure there are some who do, just like some “Catholics” think abortion and euthanasia are just dandy. That doesn’t mean it’s true.

  12. You said:

    you believe that there is some perfect governing body anywhere on earth? If so, I have a bridge I’d like to talk about selling to you. The point is that the UN is ineffective, the IMF is ineffective, and so on. Calling for those things is just a recognition that what we have isn’t sufficient. Doesn’t say anything about the Pope or the Catholic Church being the one to do it.

    My reply:
    Christians know that there is no perfect government, no utopia and no perfect ‘civilization of love’ until Jesus returns to Jerusalem.

    You are blind to the church’s quest for political/spiritual power. When did Jesus tell the apostles that the church was a nation state? He didn’t. It’s a fellowship of believers, not to be entangled with governments and politics.

    The RCC wants a STRONGER UN (research their luciferian beginnings with the theosophical society). The RCC wants a world of “peace” and dialogue with all religions to gain control over the world religion to come. They are drunk with power and the blood of the saints. Their quest for power during the inquistion has not ended. Their many concordats with nations in the past 20 years is their attempt with gaining legal deals with govts. to enforce canon law in countries around the world, using civil power to achieve their goals.

    1. Catholics want a stronger body to foster human dignity. Period. Peace, sure. Appeasement? Nope. We don’t appease anyone. Which is why our beliefs are so unpopular, and why there are so many Protestant sects. At least we stick to our beliefs. The Vatican has had ‘concordats’ which are treaties to allow us to exist in a country. We also have diplomats who work for the Church in different countries. Our hierarchy doesn’t have to seek power-we have it-Jesus.

      You called Jesus Lucifer? Speaks volumes…Our Church, from which your church branches, stems from Christ. End of subject.

      1. Dear David


        You wrote:

        We don’t appease anyone. Which is why our beliefs are so unpopular, and why there are so many Protestant sects.

        My reply:

        There is a logical short circuit is your reasoning. People who please everyone, is loved by everyone. That is the whole point of being Catholic. (universal).

        Since you claim you have dusted your feet of us already, I feel you should leave this website, and move somewhere else where you messages “don’t appease anyone”.

      2. I’m done trying to prove it to you, but I won’t let falsehood, which you spew on your blog all the time, stand.

        We act as Jesus did. Did Jesus ask everyone to love him? He asked but didn’t demand. Same with Catholics. Jesus, when he told people in John 6 that they must eat his flesh and drink his blood to have eternal life, didn’t appease them when they turned away from his ministry. He didn’t soften the hard truth. He likewise didn’t make any friends when he overturned the money tables in the temple, or when he made his claim to be God. In fact, he stuck by his words, and was killed for it.

        “Catholic” doesn’t always mean “universal”, Ivar. We don’t care to be loved by everyone, but we must love everyone. Catholic is spread outward, it doesn’t necessarily gather inward. Or didn’t you know that?

      3. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        I’m done trying to prove it to you, but I won’t let falsehood, which you spew on your blog all the time, stand.

        My comment:

        Not even in regards to the instruction of “dusting off the feet” you are able to obey.

        Are you so completely lost, that you are not able to move on in any direction?

      4. Dear David,

        Where on earth did I call Jesus lucifer? I said the UN has luciferian beginnings. And the RCC agrees with this world governing body to bring in a new world order.

        David, this is not a ‘denominational’ website. We don’t write in the name of any church or denomination.Who cares who is what denomination? No ‘denomination’ can save. Only Jesus can. No church can save. Only Jesus can. Of course, this is where we differ. My church can in no way save me. Ivar and I are of different denominations. So what?

        David. Coming here to stir up quarrels is just not a good idea, nor is it efficacious or honoring to Him. Honest, charitable debate is good, but when it gets off track, there is not use continuing.

        I agree with Ivar, this site is just not for you. Arguing and fighting with people is pointless. I do pray that the Lord will give you freedom in Him alone and that you will break free from religiosity.

      5. Sorry if I misinterpretted your non-specific ‘their’. It could point either to the Catholc Church or the UN. Seeing that this is a religious blog, an anti-Catholic blog, you might understand what I’m defending. By what you posted, the Catholic Church does not agree with the UN, though she does work within existing structure. The Church is calling for a better option than the UN. Considering the Church’s stand on abortion and AID prevention, it would be very hard to say the Church supports the UN.

        If this site isn’t a denominational website, then it is decidedly an anti-Catholic one. I didn’t come in here to stir up trouble, but to correct incorrect writings. Just the fact that you believe the Catholic Church agrees with the UN shows how much you really know about Catholicism. In that statement, I’m not disparaging you either. Most Catholics do not know their faith. I myself do not know it as well as I should. But most outside the Catholic Church, as I did when I was outside her, don’t know what the Catholic Church teaches, because they learn it incompletely as children, and forget about it when the age.

        Again, my purpose in even coming here is not to change people, but to correct misstatements you make about my Church. You can believe it or not, as you want. But when you deliberately send out false messages about the Catholic Church, I’ll be back. And if they’re not deliberate misstatements, but mistaken beliefs about the Catholic Church, then it should just be a gentle correction. And a simple answer “Really? I didn’t know that. I’m sorry.” in Christian love would end the intrusion.

      6. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        Most Catholics do not know their faith. I myself do not know it as well as I should.

        My reply:

        This is just one more amazing statement. The gospel is so simple, that not even a fool will perish because He did not understand.

      7. Dear David.


        Private opinions are of some value, and everyone has the right to have one. You might be of the opinion that the Roman Catholic Church do not support the UN.

        The difference between News That Matters and you, is that we quote the Pope. There is always a link to the source of Information. As you know our main sources is the Vatican it self, the CNA or Zenit.

        If quoting the Pope is being “anti-Catholic”, than there is not much on Earth that is not.

        Since you your self said that most Catholic do not know their religion, I guess we are just helping them to become aware of who the Pope is.

        There is a absence of valid and reliable quotations in your comments. Just anger against us who expose the wickedness of your priests and bishops. We did not drag the corpses out of their graves. Nor did we cut skulls of skeletons, and kept them for veneration. We did not dress up a piece of stone and wood, and declared them “holy”. We did not rape the alter boys, and begged the Bishops to find a hiding place for us.

      8. If the gospels are so simple, why is there such disagreement outside the Catholic Church as to how they are interpreted? You still haven’t answered my question about John 6. What did Jesus mean when he said “Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you.”?

        The fact is, there is no human that knows and follows the Christian faith perfectly. Not even you, Ivar.

      9. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        The fact is, there is no human that knows and follows the Christian faith perfectly. Not even you, Ivar.

        My reply:

        Honestly, I liked that statement. Because we know that we are not perfect, but our love for Him has been made perfect.

        1 John 4:17-19

        This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

        We love because he first loved us.

        (end of scripture)

        Confidence in the day of judgment. Not because I am perfect, but because He is perfect. Not because I have done everything perfect, but because HIS LOVE FOR ME is perfect. His SACRIFICE on the cross is perfect. NOTHING can ever be added. Amen.

        David: Do you get me?

      10. You may quote him, but you do not quote him in context. This is something you guys do with scripture, as well. Makes it hard to believe anything you say.

      11. I will not let you spread lies unchallenged regarding my faith, which is the faith that Christ taught. Period. Peter told us, in his letters to be prepared to defend the faith, convenient or inconvenient, in season, out of season. That’s part of the Scriptures, too. Out of context!

  13. David,

    I studied under well know catholic apologetics. I’m no scholar, but I have been VERY “catechized”. We speak about Catholicism because we came out of it. I was not an uneducated luke warm Catholic. I knew it up and down, inside and out. When I was in the RCC I studied it. This may seem hard for you to believe, but it’s true. Let’s end it here.

  14. I know lots of educated Catholics who teach heresy. When you take God’s word, and make it say what you want it to say, rather than what it really says, you’re, by definition, outside God’s loving embrace. When you submit prayerfully to His Word, you live.

  15. Dear David,

    In John 6, the men standing around Jesus other than the apostles were just fed with the 5 thousand with the loaves and fishes. The scripture says they were interested in filling their stomachs and focused on a fleshy existence following Jesus, not spiritual. The Lord, by telling them they had to eat REAL flesh freaked them out. Jesus told them “the flesh profits nothing” “my words are spirit and they are life”. These carnal followers still didn’t get it and left.
    Jesus is the Word made flesh. We feed on His Word. “Man shall not live on bread alone, but every word out of the mouth of God”
    David, we feed on Him in the scripture, He nourishes us by His Word. Faith comes by HEARING the word of God, not by eating communion.
    The bible states His body will never see corruption
    The Eucharist (as you say is His body) sees corruption. It molds and rots if not eaten in a certain time period. The Lord’s body can NEVER see decay.

  16. Actually, the Eucharist is the body of Christ, not the wafer, the blood is His blood, not wine.You’re right, His body can’t , and doesn’t. But we know that the bread and wine really are His body and blood.

    Jesus didn’t say we must only feed on His Word, he said we must chew his flesh and drink his blood. When they questioned Him he deepened it to ‘gnaw’. The Jews, horrified, ran away, but Jesus didn’t try to correct any misunderstanding. And when you see his Passion as a fulfillment of the Passover, with the requirement to eat the flesh of the lamb, or the Jews would die, you understand better the requirement that we must eat his flesh. Of course, He provides it, because he would never demand anything He doesn’t provide.

    I love how you try to limit the Words of God to fit one mold or another. Scripture ofthen has more than one meaning. We never exclude, but present other meanings. Especially since the disciples started doing it immediately after Jesus rose, it’s hard to see any other meaning than literal. And we know that anytime Jesus said “Amen, amen, I say to you”, he’s speaking literally.

  17. David,

    You said:
    Actually, the Eucharist is the body of Christ, not the wafer, the blood is His blood, not wine.You’re right, His body can’t , and doesn’t. But we know that the bread and wine really are His body and blood.
    My reply:
    So then, it is His body that molds and rots when not eaten? You’re not making sense.The eucharist HAS rotted because it is bread made of flour and water. Jesus in the ONE incarnation who sits at the right hand of the Father. If the Eucharist is His body, then there are million of incarnations which is impossible David. He can not be sitting in His glorified body in Heaven and in thousands of tabernacles.

    I know many catholics “gnawing’ on the host, and going to the bar on Saturday night. It has not changed them one iota and they are not born again. We are saved through our believe in His finished work. Not eating communion. If that were the case, Hitler and Stalin would have “life within them” for eating the eucharist.

    The RCC bases transubstantiation on the theory of ‘accidents’ which came from greek pagan Aristotle. This ‘scientific’ theory has been proven ‘unscientific’ and a failed theory in science. Still, that’s what the RCC uses and makes the priests study Aristotle in seminary.

  18. No, it only becomes His body and blood when the priest, in the person of Christ, makes it so. Cannot make sense of miracles, Sueliz. For what it’s worth, there’s a miracle in which a priest doubted the Jesus was really present in the Eucharist, and the wafer turned to heart tissue, the wine to real blood. In fact, it still is real heart tissue, incorrupt, and still blood, incorrupt, after 800 years or so. Also, for what it’s worth, why are you limiting God? To say something is impossible for God is limiting Him. He can do whatever he pleases.

    Regardless of the state of some of the faithful (can you really say everyone in your church, whatever that might be, are without sin? If so, then go ahead and cast those stones…) it’s not for you or me to decide if they’re ‘born again’. Everyone baptised in the Trinitarian formula is born again. Having life within you for eating Eucharist depends on the state of your soul, so if Hitler or Stalin became Catholic, repented of their sins and asked forgiveness, and received Eucharist, it would be efficacious.

    Boy, you really like to condemn everyone but yourself…just because a pagan defined something doesn’t mean that applying that definition is pagan. Regarding your scientific theory comment, I have one thing to say. Prove the existence of God. Scientifically.

    And Protestant pastors, in any seminary worth it’s weight, study phylosophy as well.

  19. Dear David,

    Just because it’s real “heart tissue” does not mean it’s His tissue. When Jesus ascended into heaven it was clear that there will be many to claim the name of Jesus. There are many false miracles to be lead people astray David. Because a wafer turned to heart tissue is demonic at best. Signs and wonders to keep people in bondage to Catholicism.

    Acts 1:11
    “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

    The angel said THIS JESUS, knowing there would be others.We know from scripture that the Jesus of Nazareth will come back the very way left. The angel did not say His body will remain on earth in heart tissue or in a box in a church. After the last supper there is nothing written about the apostles picking up crumbs of Maza bread, which is very crumbly when broken. There is nothing about tabernacles and worshiping bread. There is nothing about a catholic mass, and nothing about a Christian priesthood.Priests had to be born of the Levite tribe and no laying of hands could make you a priest. When the apostles layed hands and commissioned them to go forth preaching the gospel, it was not as a priest. They remained Jews who accepted their Jewish Messiah who fulfilled the Old Testament. There is certainly no worship of the “Queen of Heaven”, since the apostles knew the scriptures and knew what this title referred to.

    1. The point is that it was bread and wine, and became heart flesh and blood. That it changed is miraculous, because the priest was asking God to show him what he should believe. That it stayed that, and has not corrupted is also miraculous.

      Nothing about tabernacles in the Bible? What do you call the Holy of Holies in the Jerusalem Temple? What was the show bread? We do not worship bread, Sueliz, that’s a mischaracterization. Nothing about a Catholic Mass, and yet the Mass is full of scripture. Nothing about a priesthood, and yet we see Christ as the high priest. Jesus wasn’t a Levite, so how could he be seen as a priest?

      Once again, and I’ll keep repeating if I have to, we don’t worship anyOne but God, in all His manifestations.

  20. David,

    You said:
    To say something is impossible for God is limiting Him. He can do whatever he pleases.

    My reply:
    The Lord will never contradict His word EVER. He will not act outside of His Word, making it null and void. EVER.

    He will not cause idols and Mary statues to weep blood. He will not cause “Mary ” to appear as mediator between God and man. He will not bless calling men “Father”.

    1. The Catholic Church does not teach that statues of Mary should weep blood.

      The fact that you focus so much on Mary shows your hatred of Christianity, Sueliz. For without Mary saying “Yes” to God’s request, we would not have Jesus. Mary reflects us to Jesus.

      Regarding your Father comment, is that a universal comment? So I can’t call my dad Father? I doubt you believe that, so Jesus must have meant something else when he said that.

      For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: “So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt” (Gen. 45:8).

      It also doesn’t exclude calling one’s ancestors “father,” as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”

      Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, “But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ” (Matt. 23:8–10).

      Although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term “teacher,” in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth” (1 Tim. 2:7); “For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher” (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28); and “his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers” (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as “teachers.”

      Also, do you know any doctors? Do you call them “Doctor”? Do you know that “doctor” is the latin word for teacher? Even “Mister” and “Mistress” (“Mrs.”) are forms of the word “master,” also mentioned by Jesus.

      Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love “the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called ‘rabbi’ by men” (Matt. 23:6–7). His admonition here is a response to the Pharisees’ proud hearts and their grasping after marks of status and prestige.

  21. David.

    It’s rather sad you have started to attack me and not the issues, saying I hate Christianity. What a sad, non-ecumenical statement.
    Jewish Miriam was a wonderful woman.. She was a beautiful believer. I do not pray to her or ask her favors. I will not bow to the Queen of Heaven (whom is not Miriam), ever again.

    Do you limit God’s entrance to the world on Mary’s yes? Would there be no one on earth to say yes but her if she said no? How do you know that? For the King of Kings is NOT dependent on man for His will to be accomplished. Be careful not to put her on a goddess level, David.

    David. I SAID there is nothing about a catholic tabernacle in the new testament. The tabernacle of the Holy of Holies is very different from a catholic tabernacle. The Old Testament one was instituted by God, the Catholic one, by the pope.

    You are full of admissions. The mass not in scripture, the apostles not mentioned as priests in the scriptures. Thank you for
    admitting this. So how did it come to be? The tradition of men.

    Jesus said nothing of Doctor, but FATHER. You make excuses for the simple truth David.There is no need for theological gymnastics. Jesus did not want anyone to call a spiritual head “father.” It is that simple. Yet Rome calls the Pope the same name Jesus calls His Father, “Holy Father.”…(the name of God) Shudder and hear the truth David.

    1. No, it’s apparent that you hold your own idea of Christianity, but it’s not Christianity the way Christ created it, not what Christianity actually is.

      Mary is the fulfillment of the Ark of the Covenant, which is the tabernacle. You didn’t limit to the NT. Do I limit God? Never, but obviously, you do. God prepared Mary to participate in salvation, and you want to limit her to singing Silent Night at Christmas. That’s good that you don’t bow down to anyone but God-we agree on that. The Church, once again, does not teach that we should. You’re the one who says we put her on godess level, not me.

      Worshipping God is in Scripture, and we worship God with Scripture in the Mass. You’re right, the apostles were instituted as priests, but even higher-bishops.

      Doctor is the latin form of ‘teacher’, which is what Christ was talking about to the Jews. He was telling the Jews not to elevate themselves. But if you insist on talking about “father” what do YOU call the man who helped your mother create you? And what do you call God in the Lord’s Prayer? If Christ banned the word “Father” why would he go on using it? The scripture reading does not say not to call any spiritual head Father.

  22. David,

    When the spirit of the Lord reigns in you, you do not need saints, relics, popes, the Queen of Heaven, Mass, indulgences, papal blessings and dogma.

    HE ALONE is enough. His blood is enough. His Holy Spirit is enough. His Word is enough. Nothing to be added to His finished work or His blood. Hallelujah.

    1. Sorry, Sueliz, but we need Mary to give us Jesus, we need to worship (Mass), and all the other stuff you mentioned are not required, but recommended. You don’t need vitamins to live, but they help supplement your diet. Same with those things.

      You’re right, we only need the knowledge of his Resurrection, and so on. But just as Peter looked at the Lord and began walking on water, then lost faith and sank, and just like the man that said “Yes, I believe! Lord, help my unbelief”, Jesus gave us the tools to help our belief. The Catholic Church recommends anything that helps people further in their Christian faith.

      FWIW, we know it’s the true faith because everyone around is attacking it. If everyone agreed, then we’d be in trouble.

      1. Dear David.


        I know you do not like to answer my questions, but as the editor of this site, this will be required of you:

        1. Is the Pope the “Holy Father”?

        2. Was Mary born without sin, never had sex, and lived a life without sinning?

        3. Did Jesus call His father in Heaven “Holy Father”, and told us not to call any priest “father”?

        4. Do the Bible say that all man have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God?

        Kindly answer.

      2. The false Roman Catholic “church” has DISREGARDED the commandants of our Holy Lord Jesus Christ and has exchanged them for the vile, putrid lies of satan.

        The Bible warns us about the Roman Catholic “church” and says, “Come out of her, my people, and do not partake of her sins or receive her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4). The Apostle Paul warns: “If anyone preaches another Gospel, let him be ACCURSED.”

        You are deceived, David and you speak lies and spread damnable heresies. The Bible says that those like you have NO LIGHT IN THEM. You have surrounded yourself in darkness for so long that demons have deceived you. Until you repent of this, you will never see the light. You have exposed yourself here as one who hates Jesus Christ and blasphemes His Holy Name. You have put human traditions and false doctrines invented by evil men before the truth of the Word of God and will be accountable to the Lord for this when you stand before him one day soon.

        You will not get me to “debate” with you, as you have with Ivar and Sue. Ivar wrote that he has exchanged over a hundred emails with you and Sue has been more than patient to teach you truth in love. But you refuse this kindness and help and instead have chosen to fornicate with satan himself. Woe to you and your blindness. May God have mercy on you before its too late. I have dusted off my feet.


        The following teachings are taught by the Roman Catholic “church” and are all CONTRARY TO THE BIBLE. They were invented hundreds of years AFTER Christ by evil men.

        1. Prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross. Began 300 years after Christ.

        2. Wax Candles introduced in church.

        3. Veneration of angels and dead saints.

        4. The Mass as a daily celebration.

        5. The worship of Mary and the use of the term, “Mother of God” originated in the Council of Ephesus.

        6. Priests began to dress differently from the laity.

        7. Extreme Unction.

        8. The doctrine of Purgatory established by Gregory the Great.

        9. The Latin language imposed by Pope Gregory.

        10. Prayers directed to Mary or dead saints.

        11. The Papacy is of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas.

        12. Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11).

        13. The kissing of the Pope’s feet. It had been a pagan custom to kiss the feet of emperors. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9).

        14. The Temporal power of the Popes.

        15. Worship of the cross, images and relics. Such practices are IDOLATRY and severely condemned. (Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115).

        16. Veneration of St. Joseph.

        17. Baptism of Bells instituted by Pope John XIV.

        18. Canonization of Dead Saints by Pope John XV.

        19. Fasting on Fridays and during Lent imposed.

        20. The Mass attendance made obligatory in the 11th century. The Bible teaches that the sacrifice of Christ was offered once and for all, and is not to be repeated, but only commemorated in the Lord’s Supper. (Hebrews 7:27; 9:26-28; 10:10-14).

        21. The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII. Jesus imposed no such rule, nor did any of the apostles. On the contrary, St. Peter was a married man, and St. Paul says that bishops were to have wife and children. (1st Timothy 3:2,5, and 12; Matthew 8:14-15).

        22. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090. Copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The counting of prayers is a pagan practice and is expressly condemned by Christ. (Matthew 6:5-13).

        23. The Inquisition of heretics was instituted by the Council of Verona in the year 1184. Jesus never taught the use of force to spread His religion.

        24. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin.

        25. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Christ, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible CONDEMNS SUCH ABSURDITIES, for the Lord’s Supper is simply a memorial of the sacrifice of Christ. The spiritual presence of Christ is implied in the Lord’s Supper. (Luke 22:19-20; John 6:35; 1st Corinthians 11:26).

        26. Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9).

        27. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius. The Roman Church worships a God made by human hands. This is plain idolatry and absolutely contrary to the spirit of the Gospel. (John 4:24).

        28. The Bible declared a forbidden book to laymen by the Council of Valencia. Jesus commanded that the Scriptures should be read by all. (John 5:39; 1st Timothy 3:15-17).

        29. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.

        30. The Roman Church forbade the cup to the laity, by instituting the communion of one kind in the Council of Constance.The Bible commands us to celebrate the Lord’s Supper with unleavened bread and the fruit of the vine. (Matthew 26:27; 1st Corinthians 11:26-29).

        31. The doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence. There is not one word in the Bible that would teach the purgatory of priests. The blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth us from all sins. (1st John 1:7-9; 2:1-2; John 5:24; Romans 8:1).

        32. The doctrine of 7 Sacraments affirmed. The Bible says that Christ instituted only two ordinances, Baptism and the Lord’s Supper. (Matthew 28:19-20; 26:26-28).

        33. The Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible. By tradition is meant human teachings. The Pharisees believed the same way, and Jesus bitterly condemned them, for by teaching human tradition, they nullified the commandments of God. (Mark 7:7-13; Colossians 2:8; Revelation 22:18).

        34. The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent. These books were not recognized as canonical by the Jewish Church. (Revelation 22:8-9).

        35. The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 years after Christ and the apostles. True Christians retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed. Hence their creed is 1500 years older than the creed of Roman Catholics. (Galatians 1:8).

        36. The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX. The Bible states that all men, with the sole exception of Christ, are sinners. Mary herself had need of a Savior. (Read Romans 3:23; 5:12; Psalm 51:5; Luke 1:30,46,47).

        37. In the year 1870 after Christ, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility. This is a blasphemy and the sign of the apostasy and of the antichrist predicted by St. Paul. (2nd Thessalonians 2:2-12; Revelation 17:1-9; 13:5-8,18).

        38. In the year 1931 the same pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is “the Mother of God”. This doctrine was first invented by the Council of Ephesus in the year 431. This is a heresy contrary by Mary’s own words. (Luke 1:46-49; John 2: l-5).


        What will be the next invention? The Roman Church says it never changes — yet — it has done nothing else but invent new doctrines which are contrary to the Bible, and has practiced rites and ceremonies taken bodily from paganism.

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      3. Dear JM.


        I think these kind of booklets are less useful. Roman Catholic leaders are cleaver in derailing any debate, and jump from topic to topic.

        Keep the comment short. Ask a few question at a time, and use Bible verses to underline, hypocricy fake and falsehood of the RCC-clergy and the Pope’s order brothers.

        The concerned article is about Marian theology and the goddess who is the “mother” of the Pope and his followers.

        If you have found an interesting article with facts about the Roman Catholic religion, make a link.

      4. David,

        Oh the victim song: “we know it’s the truth faith because everyone around is attacking it”! What is the. ‘it’? The Catholic Church. So your Church is attacked. Jesus said: ““Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. (Matthew 5:11 NIV84)”. He specifically says ‘me’ – not my church.

        You are attacked. Ha! I say the Catholic church sits very comfortably well here on God’s earth!

        Tools! There is no biblical record of Jesus kneeling b4 his mother & praying beads b4 her & instructing his apostles to pray to her; there is no biblical record of the apostles instructing new believers to worship/preserve the bits of bread
        they broke together; there is no biblical record that we must obey infallibly the church leaders!

      5. Dear Kay.


        Thanks for ministering to David. The Christian faith, is basically so easy to understand that not even a fool shall be able to face eternity in Hell, by his pure ignorance.

        1. There is only one Messiah, who has shed the blood for our sins. The Jewish virgin who God used to give him birth into the flesh:

        A. Is not a co-redeemer.

        B. Never desired to be a co-redeemer.

        C. Do certainly not want to have anything to do with people who spread falsehood about her.

        If we have the slightest respect for the mother of Jesus, we will honor her in spirit and in truth. She became a believer in her Son, she is a departed soul, and I believe she is in Heaven. But she is not omnipresent, and can not listen to and entertain one billion Catholics praying the rosary. Even if she wanted.

        The demon that is called “Queen of Heaven” loves to be elevated. A pagan goddess, that has been launched into claimed to be “Christianity” but makes a mockery of both the gospel and a young Torah observant Jewish girl.

      6. 1. No 2. Yes. 3. No. 4. Hyperbolically, yes. Gotta learn how to read the style which was written. You don’t read poetry the same way you read prose.

      7. Dear David.


        I know you do not like to answer my questions, but as the editor of this site, this will be required of you:

        This is Davids reply to my questions

        1. Is the Pope the “Holy Father”?

        1. No

        2. Was Mary born without sin, never had sex, and lived a life without sinning?

        2. Yes

        The Bible says:

        Mark 6:3
        Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him.

        3. Did Jesus call His father in Heaven “Holy Father”, and told us not to call any priest “father”?

        3. No

        The Bible says:

        John 17:11
        I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

        Matthew 23:9
        And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

        4. Do the Bible say that all man have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God?

        4. Hyperbolically, yes.

        I want to thank David for answering my questions.

      8. Dear David


        Thanks for answering my question:

        Since you do not believe the Pope is the “Holy Father”, are the Cardinals, Bishops, priests and other Catholics who call him by this name wrong?

        Since you were not aware that Jesus called Father God in Heaven “Holy Father”, I hope this revelation can make you see what kind of religious blasphemous system you are supporting.

        Since “Mary had a son”, and this son had siblings, it is also a blunt lie that comes on your lips under oat in the Roman Catholic mass. She can never be “ever virgin”. Since the Bible explains this, I have chosen to obey what is written. That is why I can never participate in a Roman Catholic mass.

      9. If a young woman who respects me calls me Mr. David, whether I like it or not, are they wrong? If I ask her not to call me sir, or mister, and she continues, is she wrong? Holy Father is a term of respect by people for the Pope, it’s not his title.

        Regarding #2, Mark never says that the brothers of Jesus were Mary’s children.

        Regarding #3, my answer was to the second part. Jesus used those words, but it seems you pick and choose what to believe literally. Jesus was using hyperbole to tell the rabbis not to seek the exalted position or title. Likewise a pope never wishes to become pope.

        Regarding #4, Paul is speaking hyperbolically, as well. We know that Adam and Eve were born without sin, and that Jesus was without sin. We know that God can redeem someone before they’re manifest on this planet, and that’s what he did with Mary. It was God’s action that rendered Mary sinless.

  23. We look to Jesus to walk on water. Not Mary or anyone else. No tools are needed when Jesus is your All and All. When you belong to Jesus you reach for Him. No bones, people, images will ever suffice. The RCC “recommends” any idolatry, apparition and falsehood to keep them strapped to the church.

    1. No one ever said Mary walked on water.

      And the Catholic Church does not recommend idolatry, apparition, and most especially any falsehood.

  24. Mary is not omnipresent or omnipotent. Therefore, we do not pray to her. She is a human being, created by God. Praying to Mary, is giving her attributes only the Lord has.

    1. You’re right, we don’t pray to Mary, though we ask her to pray for us. And you’re also right, she’s not omnipresent or omnipotent.

      And it’s you people who suggest that we give her attributes of God, when in fact we don’t.

      1. You have to live in a bubble to not see how many Catholics give attributes of God to Mary! How many children are taught to pray to Mary instead of praying to Jesus because like a good and wonderful mother she will better present your petitions to Jesus & He will like them better coming from her? Don’t believe me? The late Pope John Paul II Recommended reading St. Louis de Montfort’s book “True Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary” (& RC canonized Louis de Montfort)…and on page 62 Louis writes: “…we have need of a mediator with the Mediator Homself”…and “the divine Mary” fills that role! The divine Mary? Divine, my friend, means of God or a deity. And don’t think I am pulling 1 quote from a book..,the book is full on how we need Mary to obtain salvation.

        “Mary is necessary to God in the sanctification of souls” (p. 15)!

        “in the heavens Mary commands the angels”! (chapter 1, verse 28)!

        It goes on & on!

      2. In Part Second, chapter II, verse 146 St. Louis de Montfort states that “Mary purifies our good works , embellished them & makes them acceptable to Her Son “. It goes on to say very much like some goddess that “her most pure and fruitful hands”…”purify whatever they touch”!

        De Montfort is highly esteemed & quoted & recommended by the catholic church… Is even ‘up for’ becoming a doctor of the Church!

      3. Regardless of what some, even the majority, of Catholics do, the Catholic Church does not teach this. And regardless of what some Catholics teach children, the Church doesn’t teach it.

        Mary does command the angels. Why? Because Mary is superior to angels. Why? Because she bore the Christ Child. Why? Because God asked her to. Why? Because he made her the perfect human. Mary is absolutely pure.

        But regardless of that, and regardless that the Pope said that St. Louis’ book is worth reading, doesn’t make it the doctrine of the Church.

        This really shows your ignorance of Catholicism.

        It really seems like this is a question of how much we should revere Mary.

        You think we pay too much attention to Mary, we know you don’t pay enough attention.

        I wonder if you know anything about typology? Where the imperfect points to the perfect. Mary is the type of the Ark of the Covenant. Why? Because she contained the Word of God, she contained the bread of life, and she contained the high priest. What was it God said about the Ark of the Covenant? It was suitable to be God’s place of presence. In other words, perfect.

        Oh, yeah, and Sueliz? Where was the Ark of the Covenant housed on the Israelite’s march? In a Tabernacle. What is a tabernacle? The portable dwelling place for the divine presence (exactly what it is today in the Catholic Church)

      4. David,

        I am most certainly not ignorant of Catholicism.

        I will ‘revere’ only my Savior the Lord Jesus Christ. My soul sings of joy & peace by only worshipping Him. I would not waste a moment of reverence in any other entity’s direction.

        I am baffled that you spend so much time defending the
        teachings of men. I no longer waste time on such things.

        I will pray that you will come to truly know the power of the Lord’s resurrection. In Him, we are saved – not by Tradition.

  25. Who goes in to a confessional to confess sins to a man (Father)?
    What does he tell you?
    “Say 20 Hail Marys” and count Rosary beads 25 times?
    And then you’re forgiven?
    What is Penance?
    Communion every SUNDAY?
    Who changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday?
    Who killed thousands of Jews (Sabbath Keepers) during the “Crusades”?
    And burned them at the stake for witchcraft?
    Knights Templar?
    Show me where “Purgatory” is in the Scriptures.
    Show me where it says you go to Heaven when you die.
    Or to Hell when you die?
    Why do people bow down to the Pope (a Man).
    Or kiss his ring or hand, whatever.
    Good Friday (no-meat)?

    I could go on and on…

    Its all recorded in History, but you have to look for it.

    The only religion that tops this is Islam.

    No, I’m not perfect either, but I’m not THAT far out of focus.

    (Joh 3:12) If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

    (Joh 3:13) And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.


    1. Hi, Bob.
      We confess our sins so that Christ may absolve us, the priest acts as Jesus commanded “Whose sins you forgive are forgiven, whose sins you retain are retained” How can someone know my sins to forgive or retain them if I don’t tell them?

      No, the prayers you pray as penance aren’t what forgives you, it’s Christ himself when you admit your wrong. Penance is an act of repaying the wrong you’ve done.

      Yes, communion every Sunday. The entire book of Acts shows us this being done.

      We didn’t change the Sabbath. That’s still Saturday, and it’s the Jews’ day of worship. Christ fulfilled that, though, and we worship on the day He rose from the dead.

      Crusaders didn’t kill Jews during the Crusades, but Muslims.
      Catholics didn’t burn witches, Protestants did.

      What’s your objection to the Knights Templar?

      Purgatory-Christ refers to the sinner who “will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matt. 12:32), suggesting that one can be freed after death of the consequences of one’s sins. Similarly, Paul tells us that, when we are judged, each man’s work will be tried. And what happens if a righteous man’s work fails the test? “He will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire” (1 Cor 3:15). Now this loss, this penalty, can’t refer to consignment to hell, since no one is saved there; and heaven can’t be meant, since there is no suffering (“fire”) there. The Catholic doctrine of purgatory alone explains this passage.

      People go to heaven when they die Mt 7:13-14, Lk 13:24.
      Luke 16:19-31 describes an instance where a man was in hell and his servant in heaven.

      You asked “Why do people bow down to the Pope (a Man).
      Or kiss his ring or hand, whatever.”

      As a sign of respect. Not required.

      The Passion of our Lord. Easter’s a Germanic term.

      Yes, the celebration of Christ’s birth.

      “Good Friday (no-meat)?

      Yes, both penitential practices.

      1. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        Crusaders didn’t kill Jews during the Crusades, but Muslims.

        My comment.

        The Crusaders were sent by the Pope of Rome to capture Jerusalem. You admit the Pope is a brutal killer. Well done. Still you defend the Papacy.

        In regards to the Jewish people, they will not listen to a blunt liar like you. They know who killed their family members through the ages. They know who called them “Christ killers”.

        Who do you think you are fooling?

      2. The pope didn’t kill anyone.

        And the Jews were directly responsible for Christ’s murder, but we’re all responsible for His death.

        Ivar, regardless of what sins we’ve all committed, except for one human, we’re all sinners. What does that prove? Besides, must you totally ignore the service to Jews that the Catholic Church as a body performed?

        I just love how full of condemnation you are. Very Christlike. Yet every Catholic who attends Mass first acknowledges his sinfulness.

      3. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        I just love how full of condemnation you are. Very Christlike. Yet every Catholic who attends Mass first acknowledges his sinfulness.

        My reply:

        First: I guess you meant “sinlessness”?

        Jesus called people sons of Hell, brood of vipers and whitewashed tombs. To walk in Christlikeness, must also include exposing the wolfs, so they are not permitted to enter the flock of sheep.

        If a shepherd do not protect the sheep, he is simply not doing his job.

  26. Dear David,

    You said:

    We didn’t change the Sabbath. That’s still Saturday, and it’s the Jews’ day of worship. Christ fulfilled that, though, and we worship on the day He rose from the dead.
    My Comment:
    (All scripture quotes from WoY)

    Guess I didn’t know Adam and Eve were Jews…
    And He said “You guys got dis day”.
    And “Those guys got dat day”.

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, cracks me up…

    (Gen 2:2) And on the seventh day Elohim ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

    (Gen 2:3) And Elohim blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which Elohim created and made.

    (Exo 20:8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    (Exo 20:9) Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

    (Exo 20:10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of Yahweh thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

    (Exo 20:11) For in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Yahweh blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    (Mar 2:27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:

    (Mar 2:28) Therefore the Son of man is Master also of the Sabbath.

    (Act 13:42) And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

    (Act 18:4) And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

    You said: Christ fulfilled that, though…

    My Comment:

    He fulfilled all 10 commandments? Or just that one?
    I guess your Church teaches you can kill, steal, covet, worship false idols, etc.
    Which explains the rest of your answers.

    (Rom 2:13) For not the hearers of the law are just before Elohim, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    You said:

    and we worship on the day He rose from the dead.

    My Comment:


    Why do you ignore the commandments.
    Because you’ve been brainwashed (deceived) since
    childhood, most likely.

    (Deceived… means you don’t know your being deceived).

    Just because you’re church told you, does not make
    something correct or true. (religion at it best)

    And just because I tell you, does not make it true.

    But if the President tells you, then it’s gotta be true:)

    Gosh, you need to look for the truth, but alas, you won’t,
    because you are set in your ways.

    I’m still learning, and stumbling, and learning more every day.


    1. Well, Adam and Eve didn’t read Exodus, which is when Jewish law declared the Sabbath.

      Christ fulfilled the Jewish law, as a body.

      Why? Because that’s the basis of Christianity. Nobody replaced the Sabbath, by the way, it’s just we celebrate Christ’s rising from the dead.

  27. David.
    By believing in purgatory you believe Jesus’ blood is not pay for your sins. You must also pay in purgatory to satisfy God’s wrath. What a blasphemy and denial of grace.

      1. David.

        You may not believe it and if not, good for you. But RCC teaching on purgatory is to be purged of sins where you must pay a punishment.
        No one puts any words in your mouth. It’s in the catechism.

  28. Dear Kay,

    Blessings to you and thanks for quoting Louis DeMonfort. I have also read that book and it is a horrendous blasphemy. To say it isn’t the worship of “the Queen of Heaven” is a flat lie. If anyone reads that book and says “we don’t pray to Mary” “we don’t worship Mary” they are lying.

    1. Dear Sue and Kay.


      People sometimes stand in long lines at the Red Square in Moscow, to bow down and kiss the corpse of Lenin. The Russian Orthodox faithful who do this, claim they do not not worship Lenin. They just adore and venerate this “father of the Russian nation”, and “saint”, who was a baptized Russian Orthodox Catholic “Christian”.

      Lenin’s baptism took place on 28th of April 1870. So by the doctrine of Infant baptism, Lenin was a “Christian”.

      Only a fool would believe, that Lenin has not been made an idol. A created man, has taken the place and honor, that ONLY shall be given to God the Almighty creator of Heaven and Earth.

      1. David,

        If you believe Jesus died for your sins, He died for all sins, past, present and future. He knew your sins before you were born. I stand under the door of Passover. Jesus is my Passover. When the Father sees me, He sees the blood of my Savior. Hallelujah.

    1. IT is implied. Does Jesus ever call Mary “Mother”? No, he calls her “woman”. What did Adam call Eve before she ate of the fruit of the tree?

      Oh, and you’ll say that the implication isn’t valid, there’s no implied things in the Bible, but tell me where Trinity is spelled out in Scripture?

  29. According to Vatican II, “in purgatory the souls of those ‘who died in the charity of God and truly repentant, but who had not made satisfaction with adequate penance for their sins and omissions’ are cleansed after death with punishments designed to purge away their debt.” The Catechism of the Catholic Church describes purgatory as place of “cleansing fire.”[1031
    (end of document)

    My comment:
    Jesus’ blood is sufficient to cover our sins. Like the angel who passed over all with the blood that covered the door during Passover, so too, the Blood of the Lamb, Lord Jesus, is enough to cover ALL of our sins. He has paid in FULL with His suffering. For this is the Good News. He has paid it all. The RCC lies and says He did not pay it ALL, that there is still more debt to be paid.

  30. David,

    I hope you read the church’s own teaching on purgatory that I posted..that purgatory is to pay for the debt of sin.

    Just because the RCC takes a box and calls it a tabernacle, bares no connection to the Tabernacle of Jews and the Holy of Holies. If anything it mocks it.

    Yes, I know about the Ark of the Covenant. Ironically, the RCC says Mary was perfect because Jesus was inside of her..

    Every time you receive communion, the RCC says you have Jesus in the flesh inside of you? Why aren’t you perfect? After all, if it is Jesus’ body, and with the RCC’s reasoning,, you need to be perfect and sinless to have the flesh inside of you.

    If all believers have the Holy Spirit inside of them, the second person of the Trinity, and equally God, then they also should be perfect. Can’t you see the madness of this doctrine.

    If the Holy Spirit lives in you, you are already a living temple. But the RCC says you need MORE God inside. Real flesh, not just the living Holy Spirit and that This bread gives life.

    I assure you, the persecuted in the jungle that call on His name, have Him inside them. They don’t need more of Him in the flesh inside to be saved. They are already full of Him, full of the Holy Spirit. In the house church’s in Pakistan, or China, there is no Mass. In the Prisons in Iran, there is no mass, and no communion, and these brave believers, filled with the Holy Spirit have the Lord in them.

    1. What Jesus did for us on the cross was to gain us forgiveness of our sins. But sins being forgiven and sins being expiated are two different things. If you steal something from the store, but give it back, you might be forgiven by the store owner, but you might also have to pay restitution. That’s what we do in purgatory.

      Actually, in China, there is Mass being celebrated wherever possible. Same in Pakistan. Same in Iran. And there is Eucharist, which is eucharistia in Greek and todah in Hebrew.

  31. Please show me David, where the Jewish disciples put Maza bread in a box, calling it the “new tabernacle” with divine presence. Please show me where you see disciples worshiping the bread, sitting before the new Tabernacle.

    You will not find it in scripture because the disciples were not Roman Catholic Priests. They were not priests at all.They did not turn the love feast into flesh, calling the Lord off His throne into bread. They did not have “holy hours” and say Jesus was lonely in the tabernacle and needed visitors.

    Our Lord is not dependent on men and woman to carry Him around in a piece of bread.

    Jesus became man, not a baked good.

    1. What Jewish disciples? Once they believed in Jesus, they were Christians. Where did the Christian disciples do this? You’re right, it’s not in the Bible. It is in Sacred Tradition, though.

      Actually, the apostles were Roman Catholic priests. Bishops, in fact. How do we know that? Because of what Paul tells Timothy.
      And how do we know the bread and wine are flesh and blood? Because Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians that unless you eat the bread and drink the cup you have no life in you, and that he who eats and drinks unworthily will be damned.

      You’re right, Jesus isn’t dependent on us at all, and we don’t say he is.

  32. Eating and drinking is not eating with the mouth and digesting with the digestive organs.

    Eating and drinking is coming to Him and believing in Him as stated in John 6.

    Here are sciptures alluding to the eating of the Word, not real flesh:
    “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (v47).
    “He who eats this bread will live forever” (v58).

    “He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is even more striking between verses 40 and 54:

    “Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (v40).

    “Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (v54).
    In his discussion on the interpretation of figurative expressions, Augustine uses “eating flesh and drinking blood” as a typical example of a metaphor! He explains: “If the sentence is one of command, either forbidding a crime or vice, or enjoining an act of prudence or benevolence, it is not figurative. If, however, it seems to enjoin a crime or vice, or to forbid an act of prudence or benevolence, it is figurative. “Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man,” says Christ, “and drink His blood, ye have no life in you.” This seems to enjoin a crime or a vice; it is therefore a figure, enjoining that we should have a share in the sufferings of our Lord, and that we should retain a sweet and profitable memory of the fact that His flesh was wounded and crucified for us” (Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, III).

    1. Well, first, there’s more to the Bread of Life discourse than what you’re talking about. Why would his disciples ‘return to their former life’ if he didn’t say something that offended their sensitivities, and if he offended them and didn’t mean to, why wouldn’t he explain himself?

      FWIW, Augustine is not infallible-he wasn’t pope. He did make errors. Besides, eating the flesh of the Lamb of God is not a crime or vice.

      48I am the bread of life. 49Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died; 50this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die. 51I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

      52The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?” 53Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54Whoever eats* my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

      Amen amen means he’s not speaking metaphorically. You need to learn what is literally taken and what isn’t.

      I think my authority, the Church for 2100 years, bears more weight than yours.

      1. David,

        This debate has finished. It’s ridiculous to go on and on and on. You are a Papist and will adhere to anything the pope says even if it contradicts scripture. You refuse to believe that the disciples were Jewish (which is besides a religion a Nationality) after they became believers. You’re sole authority is whatever the Catholic church tells you even if it says to pray to the Queen of Heaven and venerate images. You believe the pope is infallible in regards to faith and morals and in doctrines like the Immaculate Conception and Assumption. Let’s end this round-robin which is now a waste of time. Bye David.

      2. The Word of God bears more weight than any human institution – no matter she be on this earth 5 years or 5000. Tradition does not save.

        Placing faith in tradition is like placing faith in an urban legend.

  33. David,,

    You said:
    What Jewish disciples? Once they believed in Jesus, they were Christians. Where did the Christian disciples do this? You’re right, it’s not in the Bible. It is in Sacred Tradition, though.

    My reply:
    If you don’t think Peter and Paul were in fact Jewish, this discussion is a waste of time and over.

      1. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        They were Jews before they met Jesus, but they were Christians after. But they were also responsible for Christ’s death.

        My comment:

        This underlines what I need to rebuke, and cast out of my life. People who claim Jesus committed cultural and national suicide. The Jew in Him ended on the cross. He took His Jewishness, renounced it, and called every of His countrymen to become “Palestinians”. This was the name given to this area by the pagan Italians, serving the Roman emperor: “Palestine”.

        David: Your time is up. You have expressed your self, and this is the end of the grace you will receive on this site.

      2. First, saying they were Christians afterward in no way takes away their Jewishness. But it was Jews who shouted “Crucify Him”.

        It’s ok, Ivar, I know you see only black and white, there’s no color for you in the world. But the world is not black and white.

        So block me, Ivar, and have your little cult. Your heretical little cult. The one with no name-you’re ashamed even to call it whatever it is. At least I’m proud of my faith, because it comes straight from Jesus mouth, through the apostles and saints, purified for 2000 years.

      3. Dear David.


        You wrote:

        So block me, Ivar, and have your little cult. Your heretical little cult.

        My comment:

        Spamming is not an option for people who want to be spammed. So you can go to your priest, and say you have been persecuted by the horrible believers. You your self is a fraud. You said you had dusted off your feel from this site, but are in fact the most committed man of this “cult”. You come with all kinds of blasphemy, and want us to submit to lies and deception.

        Let me keep you on this site, as an example of a man that can not be trusted. Who do not honor his word, neither wants to submit to the truth.

  34. See? You don’t even know what you’re talking about regarding ‘dusting off my sandals’. I did that, and fine, you won’t be convinced, I dusted off my sandals of doing that. But I will not let you lie, outright lie. Which is what you’re doing. Lieing is a sin, Ivar, do you know the ten Commandments?. Whether you’re ignorant in doing so, I’ll let God judge.

    I’m sorry you haven’t tried to see the fullness of Catholicism. It’s not blasphemy to proclaim the original faith Jesus taught. If that’s blasphemy, I hope to die now. I don’t care if you disagree, but at least know what you’re disagreeing with.

    We don’t worship Mary, we worship God alone.
    We believe Jesus spoke literally in John Chapter 6, and that the Eucharist is what Jesus instituted at the Last Supper.
    I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.
    I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God,
    born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made.
    For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven,
    and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
    and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures.
    He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead
    and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
    who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
    who has spoken through the prophets.
    I believe in one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
    I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins
    and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
    and the life of the world to come.

    It’s really pretty simple, Ivar, above is what we believe, and that alone. So anything you say that’s contrary to the above is your own misunderstanding, which I am trying to correct.

    1. Dear David.


      You wrote:

      I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible.

      My reply:

      No, you do not. You believe in the Queen of Heaven. A sinless goddess, who was born without sin, lived a life without sinning, and who ascended into Heaven in body and soul. You believe she is the “Mother of God”, who is also your mother, and the mother of the Church. You believe that the Queen of Heaven is the mother of whom you claim in the Son of God.

      You are a blunt liar, and a member of the cult of Mary. You and your priests have perverted the gospel.

      2 Corinthians 11:4
      For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

      1. Ivar, who are you to judge anyone’s heart? Only God Himself can do that. You don’t know anything about Catholic faith, you don’t even try. You are judgemental, and mischaracterize every aspect of the Catholic faith. You are a sinner. Welcome to the club. Stop letting your pride get in the way of the truth.

        The difference between you and me is that I believe in the Jesus EXACTLY what Paul and Peter, the first pope, preached, guided by the Holy Spirit from error through all ages. You believe what you want to believe.

        Oh, yes, and part of that is that Mary is the Mother of God in His humanity. There’s nothing you can say or do to prove otherwise. There is also ample proof in the Bible that Mary was sinless and ever virgin. I also know that she’s the queen of heaven. Why? Because Jesus is the King of Heaven, and just as Bathsheba was the queen of Israel when Solomon, her son, was king, Mary, the mother of Jesus, is the Queen.

        Can you prove that Mary is not in heaven body and soul? Can you prove she’s not ‘ever virgin’?

        You might have a different interpretation of scripture, and you’re entitled to believe what you want to believe it says, but Catholics have the context of those closest to Jesus to tell us what He meant by what he said. You think the Bible stands alone, yet because there was no canon of scripture before the Catholic Church decided what the canon of scripture would be, there had to be something else to go by-Sacred Tradition.

      2. Dear David


        You wrote:

        Can you prove that Mary is not in heaven body and soul? Can you prove she’s not ‘ever virgin’?

        My reply:

        In the court of Law, you are the one who are accusing God of being a liar. Since the Law explains that all men have sinned, you have to base your case on personal merits. You cling to the Pope, and have made him your righteousness.

        The Pope has made Roman Catholics sons of lawlessness. He has permitted you do believe in anything, as long as it fits into the Vatican approved dogmas.

        The Bible is telling us that Miriam, the mother of Jesus was a woman that surely had sex with her husband. She must have loved it, like most women do. Sex is a beautiful gifts from God, to husbands and wife’s. Good parents love their children. Torah observant Jewish mothers at large gets a lot of children.

        1. Miriam gave birth to her firstborn child. When there is a firstborn in the Bible, there is ALWAYS a second. The Bible explains in dozens of examples this kind of fruits of multiple sexual contacts between husband and wife’s. Sexless marriages is an abnormal way of life, or a fruit of tragic sickness or an accident. Miriam was a chosen normal Jewish girl, that enjoyed life to the full.

        2. The Bible also explains that there were mother’s and fathers with ONLY one son. Miriam was not one of them.

        3. The Bible even names the siblings of Jesus. Still Roman Catholics claims God is a blunt liar. They are offended on behalf of the sexless Queen of Heaven, because these verses expose the Pope as a liar, a fraud and a conman.

        4. Miriam went on a days voyage away from Jerusalem, without taking notice that her 12 year old son was not with her. If Jesus was her only child, Miriam would be a hopelessly disconnected and irresponsible mother. She was NOT. If she had 7-8 children from the age of 12 downwards, it would be fully understandable why she could not be aware of their whereabouts all the time. She and Joseph tried their best to look after all of them.

        In conclusion:

        The Pope has perverted the gospel, to make it fit to the theology around the Roman goddess of Juno, the protector of Rome, the daughter of Saturn. Juno is also the sister, and wife of the chief “god” Jupiter.

        The Roman Catholic “gospel” also fits to Egyptian goddess of Isis, and the Babylonian goddess of Semiramiz, and hundreds of other pagan goddesses who are carrying a small divine child.

        We have one in Norwegian mythology also: “Friggja”. This goddess carries a small child, a son named “Balder”. All these pagan goddesses are SINLESS beings, Queen’s of the Paganized “Hevaen”.

        David: You are a fraud. And till I get tired of repeating my self, I will permit you to comment on this site.

      3. Ivar, the Law does not proclaim that all men have sinned. How do we know this? Because in order to sin, you have to willfully know something is a sin, willfully choose to do that sinful act, and be free to make the choice. Babies cannot sin, though they have Original Sin. People without mental capacity cannot sin. Mary’s sinlessness was a gift of God. The Catholic Church actually agrees that Mary was “saved.” She needed a savior! However, Mary was “saved” from sin in a special way. She was given the grace to be “saved” completely from sin so that she never committed even the slightest transgression. Protestants tend to emphasize God’s “salvation” almost exclusively to the forgiveness of sins actually committed. However, Sacred Scripture indicates that salvation can also refer to man being protected from sinning before the fact:

        Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. (Jude 24-25)

        In Greek, the greeting was kaire, kekaritomene, or “Hail, full of grace.” Generally speaking, when one greeted another with kaire, a name or title would be found in the immediate context. “Hail, king of the Jews” in John 19:3 and “Claudias Lysias, to his Excellency the governor Felix, greeting” (Acts 23:26) are two biblical examples of this. The fact that the angel replaces Mary’s name in the greeting with “full of grace” was anything but common.

        Luke uses the perfect passive participle, kekaritomene, as his “name” for Mary. This word literally means “she who has been graced” in a completed sense. This verbal adjective, “graced,” is not just describing a simple past action. Greek has another tense for that. The perfect tense is used to indicate that an action has been completed in the past resulting in a present state of being. “Full of grace” is Mary’s name. So what does it tell us about Mary? Well, the average Christian is not completed in grace and in a permanent sense (see Phil. 3:8-12). But according to the angel, Mary is. You and I sin, not because of grace, but because of a lack of grace, or a lack of our cooperation with grace, in our lives. This greeting of the angel is one clue into the unique character and calling of the Mother of God. Only Mary is given the name “full of grace” and in the perfect tense, indicating that this permanent state of Mary was completed.

        Firstborn does not require ‘second-born’.
        Name some of Mary’s other children, please? Children that were listed as Mary’s specifically.
        Do you think Mary, Joseph and Jesus traveled to Jerusalem and back by themselves? Sacred Tradition tells us no, they traveled in a caravan. Also, if Mary had other children, why did Jesus place her in Johns’ care at the foot of the cross??

      4. Dear David


        The serpent is a sly fellow. He has made you a liar. You do not worship God in spirit and in truth. You obey Vatican approved dogmas.

        Mark 10:18

        “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

        Romans 3:23
        for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

        Do you read the scripture, through the eyes of the serpent who rule inside you?

        Mans heart is desperately wicked, and tries to find ways to make the World of God null and void.

        “Serpent theology” is based on the idea that a created being can be like God, sinless and holy. In the garden of Eden, they were fooled to act like God, overruling his instructions and commands.

        That was a fatal move. And it is equally fatal today.

        David: The Pope has cursed you, and you are destined for Hell.

        Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

        Genesis 3:17
        To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.

        Man was kicked out from the garden of Eden, as an inflicted and cursed being. All men were now destined for Hell, separated from the Love of God. This curse can only be removed by the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth.

        The good news is that by the blood Jesus shed on the cross, all curses are broken. All who believe in Him, are already saved.

        In regards to the family of Jesus, He was also rejected by them. Even his own brothers and sisters.

        Luke 17:25
        But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

        That is why He was left alone at the cross. Even his students deserted him and ran away. Only one was left, together with Miriam his mother.

        John 7:5
For even his own brothers did not believe in him.

        I believe in the World of God, and I obey it. You do not.

    2. David,

      Let’s be honest. You wrote above in what is ‘The Profession of Faith’ recited during catholic mass: “above is what we believe and that alone.”. You are incorrect. John Paul II indicated in his preface to the “Catechism of the Catholic Church” (CCC) (p.6) that whoever “wants to know what the Catholic Church believes” should refer to the +688 pages
      of CCC. So again you lie. It is not simple.


      1. Dear Kay.


        Thanks for ministering to David:

        Here are some points:

        1. The Catholics lie every time they go for mass. In their “Profession of Faith” they are called to say “Mary, EVER VIRGIN”. That person is NOT the Jewish mother of Jesus. That person is the Queen of Heaven.

        2. Satan knows that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. So do the Catholics. But there is something extra, that needs to be added. And all these extra stuff, are Satanic lies of different kinds. They are being uttered to force Catholics to mock God of the Bible.

        3. The Catholics do NOT accept that the blood of Jesus is sufficient to save a soul. Something extra must be added. Like the prayer’s of the Church, the faithful, prayer of dead Madonna’s and saints in their thousands, and the cleansing fire in Purgatory.

        4. The Catholic priests do not accept that Jesus was crucified, ONCE and for all. That the sacrifice on the cross of Calvary can NOT be repeated.

        The Catholic mass is an ONGOING slaughter of Jesus, done by priests who claim to be the same men who “killed” Jesus in Jerusalem 2.000 years ago.

        The priests claims Jesus is physically present on the alter, in the round wafer. They also clam that the mass is a sacrifice of Jesus to “god’. The priests are even claiming they are drinking his real blood.

        There is only one thing to say about all of this: It is horrible, and it is damnable. The fire of Hell will consume all this blasphemy and falsehood.

      2. Actually, if you study, you find that the CCC is an explanation of the Nicene Creed. It was meant to be. Also, if you read the footnotes of the CCC, you find that nearly every verse of scripture is referenced in it, as well as what many of our Doctors of the Church wrote.

        But if you believe the Creed, you believe the basics. So no, I don’t lie. It’s bad for your soul. So is judgementalism…

  35. What is more cult-ish than giving your will and intellect over to a human being? Please read the following document that Catholics are bound to follow from the document Lumen Gentium:

    From Lumen Gentium/ 1964

    This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra in such wise, indeed, that his supreme teaching authority be acknowledged with respect, and sincere assent be given to decisions made by him, conformably with his manifest mind and intention, which is made known principally either by the character of the documents in question, or by the frequency with which a certain doctrine is proposed, or by the manner in which the doctrine is formulated.

    1. We don’t. We give our will and intellect to God. The Pope is his representative, and speaks with the guidance of the Holy Spirit in matters of faith and morals. The only reason we know we can obey the Pope is because Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would protect His Church from error, which the Holy Spirit has done through all ages.

      So you think the pope isn’t infallible? Show me a papal error by the proper definition of the term ‘infallible’. Also tell why you think it’s wrong.

      1. David,

        Why can you not see it? Sueliz1 quotes directly from Lumen Gentium that catholics must give their “will and intellect”…”to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff”. And you respond with “We don’t.” But, you do. You do submit to another man (whom you call Pope).

        I do not judge you. I was in your place once, defending the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, so much so I was in the convent to give my life to the Church. And it wasn’t any ordinary convent. It had to be a convent right outside Rome. I had a direct view of the Vatican. I walked & processed the cobble roman streets with JPII on numerous occasions, massed with him in his private chapel, etc.. To my now shame, I would have followed the Pope to Hell & back – if he would have lead me there.

        But, now, by the grace of God and the gift of the Holy Spirit, I see that I must submit only to Jesus Christ, my Master. And to HIM alone do I submit…and to no other man will I pray to (alive or dead). In this to my great joy, my thirst has been quenched in the Lord Jesus and when I need more, I am filled by His Word. It is this that we urgently try to get you to see.

        There is no life in submitting to an earthly institution. There is only LIFE in the Lord Jesus Christ. Your thirst cannot be quenched by the Creed or Rote Prayers or Tradition and Teachings by Men who claim to know all the answers. The only man who walked the face of this earth who has all the answers is Jesus Christ.

        That is it from me. Good night!

      2. Well, mostly because she quotes out of context. Do you know what heresy means? It means to choose against.

        At any rate, the previous sentence of Lumen Gentium 25 states “In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent” So we adhere to what the pope says (he is a bishop, after all), because he speaks in the name of Christ.
        So we don’t submit to the man, the pope, we submit to someone who we know speaks in the name of Christ. So it looks like you and I submit to one and the same Lord Jesus Christ.

        Look, we don’t submit to an institution, either. We submit to Jesus. The Catholic Church is holy only because Christ is holy. The Church is the Body of Christ.

        Oh…rote prayers…so I guess you’re calling the Lord’s Prayer a rote prayer because we pray it over and over again. Yet we follow the Lord’s example. We know that Christ prayed the Psalms religiously, and they are ‘rote prayers’. But you might think that we’re not supposed to repeat the same thing over and over again? Again, we follow example…Psalm 136. Check it out! What? You think that memorized prayer can’t possibly come from the heart? Who are you to judge hearts?

      3. Dear David.


        We have come to the end of the line. There is no way you will be willing to obey Jesus of the Bible. The day you find your self in hell, it will be to late to regret. But what to do?

        Kindly make an exit from this site. I am not interested in repeating my self all over again.

  36. It will be interesting to see if David “adheres to what the pope says” when he tells the people to follow the new world order and world religion.

  37. I love it, Ivar, Shalom, now go to hell. LOLOLOLOL

    Nobody, least of all the hierarchy of the Church, thinks they can act like God. That’s your spin on it, yours alone.

    Ivar, you and your friends are a paradox. You take parts of the Bible literally, when they are not meant to be taken literally, and you don’t take literally what should be taken literally. That’s your problem.

    All I ask is that you stop lying about what the Catholic Church teaches. It’s one thing for you to say “I think the Church is wrong for this reason.” but for you to avow that the Church believes something when that’s not the stated belief of the Church, I will come back and fight you.

    It’s obvious I make you uncomfortable, but you refuse to examine why.

    To quote Fulton J Sheen of happy memory, “There are not 100 people in the world that hate the Catholic Church, but there are hundreds of thousands who hate what they perceive the Catholic Church to be.

    So let’s put a parachute on you and drop you into Saudi Arabia and let you proclaim the gospel to the Muslims…Good luck with that.

  38. Ivar never said to go to hell, rather you are on a road that will lead you there.

    I would say you are the uncomfortable one, David. You come back day after day to “fight.”

    Your argumentative tone is not evangelistic and no one is being “converted” to Catholicism.

    Since you like quotes, I will leave you some:

    In 1302 Pope Boniface said this in a letter to the Catholic Church:

    “Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.xii”

    Pope Pius V said this:

    ‘The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.xiii’

    Pope Pius XI said this about himself:

    Pope Leo XIII said this about the role of the Pope:

    ‘We hold upon this earth the place of God’

    The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this:

    “To believe that our Lord God the Popehas not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical (emphasis added).vii”

    And speaking about the same document, Father A. Pereira said this:

    “It is quite certain that Popes have never disapproved or rejected this title “Lord God the Pope” for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome by Gregory XIII.viii “

  39. My point, seems you miss all my points deliberately, sueliz, is that you nor any human has the knowledge to know whether someone is going to hell or not, only God knows this. Are you God? Didn’t think so.

    Regarding what you say the Popes say about themselves, how come I can’t find this anywhere. Nice cut and paste job, by the way, including footnotes, which don’t have any attribution.

    Regarding the Gloss of Extravagantes, it does not say “God”, it says “To believe that our lord, the pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. The pope is royalty, after all, and is called Lord.

    As I’ve said repeatedly, I am no longer trying to convert anyone, but to correct misstatements about the Catholic Church.

    ‘We hold upon this earth the place of God’ = Vicar of Christ, Christ’s representative.

    You’re making mountains out of, not even mole hills, but thin air.

  40. “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.” Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.

  41. David,

    You said:
    Regarding the Gloss of Extravagantes, it does not say “God”, it says “To believe that our lord, the pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical. The pope is royalty, after all, and is called Lord.

    My comment:
    What a sad statement David, that you feel the pope is “loyalty’ and should be called Lord.
    Peter would have never allowed this, and told people to get off of their knees when they kneeled before him. What a lying blasphemy.

  42. I censored you, not Ivar. I’m tired of your argumentative posts that accomplish nothing. You hear nothing and keep repeating yourself. Drop this game, David. It’s over.

    1. Stop lying, Sueliz. Just stop lying. I will not stop correcting lies and mischaracterizations.

      I tried to attribute it to your own ignorance of Catholicism, which is very, very apparent, regardless of what you and Kay and Ivar think you think you know. I don’t care if you disagree with Catholicism. I do care that you represent it truthfully. If you don’t I will expose you, one way or another. You cannot censor me. I can correct your misstatements on my own blog. And I will.

      It’s no game. Again. Stop lying.

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