“Palestinians” target evangelical support for Israel

Concerned Jews must reach out to their Evangelical friends and expose the Palestinian assault on the lovers of Zion of two faiths.

Mahmoud Abbas represent a bastardization of World history, where blunt lies are presented as the truth.

In announcing the push for recognition of a unilaterally declared Palestinian state, Palestinian Authority President Abbas told the UN General Assembly in September:

  “I come before you today from the Holy Land, the land of Palestine, the land of divine messages, and ascension of the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and the birthplace of Jesus Christ, peace be upon him, to speak on behalf of the Palestinian people in the homeland and in the Diaspora, to say, after 63 years of suffering of the ongoing Nakba: Enough. It is time for the Palestinian people to gain their freedom and independence.”

It was part of the broader global strategy to delegitimize Israel that also seeks to decouple Christian support from the Jewish state Abbas refuses to recognize. In this campaign, extreme Palestinian political ambitions are often cloaked in theological garb.

While attacks against Israel sometimes seem unrelated, they really operate in concert: the obsession of the World Council of Churches with demonizing Israel, the UNESCO vote on Palestine, the international Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement. “All streams flow to the sea,” Ecclesiastes teaches. Today, that sea is a domain where “experts” at UNESCO can rebrand Rachel’s Tomb as a mosque.

Evangelicals who came with an open-minded commitment to hear both sides heard Mitri Raheb, a pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem deny the connection between modern Jews and those of the Bible.

  “I’m sure if we were to do a DNA test between David… and Jesus… and Mitri, born just across the street from where Jesus was born, I’m sure the DNA will show that there is a trace. While, if you put King David, Jesus and Netanyahu, you will get nothing, because Netanyahu comes from an East European tribe who converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages…. I always loved to say that most probably one of my grand, grand, grand, grandmas used to babysit for Jesus.”

No one stormed out in protest. Rather to the contrary: Some participants, like Lynne Hybels (who is married to the head of the Willow Creek network of 13,000 Evangelical congregations), returned to the US as committed workers for the Palestinian cause.

Source: Jerusalem Post

My comment:

If you take replacement theology to its logical conclusion, Zionism is a sin. Because the Jews have no right to the “Holy Land”, that is different from others rights to this land.

At best the Jews can be included. But only in the context that the people of the three major faiths have an equal right to this area.

The problem with Replacement theology, is obvious. 1.500 years before there ever was a Muslim walking on the surface of the Earth, God promised the land to the sons and daughter of Israel. This promise is everlasting, given without conditions.The caretakers of this land was elected 1.000 years before there was a single soul claiming to be a Christian.

To connect Jesus of Nazareth to Islam is utter non sense. Islam did not come into existence before 600 years after the Messiah had died and resurrected.

That the Willow Creek network buy all the lies of Replacement theology, is not so strange. The followers of “Jesus of the emerging Church” is nothing but the promoter of the anti-christian Kingdom theology.

They will join the forces that will bring the man of lawlessness to the World stage.  Anti-Christ will say that “The prosperity Kingdom has come on Earth”, and Willow Creek will say “Praise the Lord”.

The Lutherans that hails the World Council of Churches is also following the path towards total destruction.

Written by Ivar

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32 thoughts on ““Palestinians” target evangelical support for Israel

  1. IVAR, I would like to know what you think of these verses in your Bible and how you interpret them with their implications?

    In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
    And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
    For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
    And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leather girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
    Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
    And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
    But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

    And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

    And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
    I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that comes after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
    Matthew 3

    O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!
    Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
    For I say unto you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
    Matthew 23

    1. Dear Ray Joseph Cormier.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      For I say unto you, You shall not see me henceforth, till you shall say, Blessed is he that comes in the name of the Lord.
      Matthew 23

      My comment:

      Many Christians mix up the election of the Jews with their salvation. God do not do that. They are not selected because they are righteous, or deserve to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. They were elected by God for bringing the very knowledge of God to the lost mankind.

      The selection of Jerusalem as the city of King David, is not conditional. It has nothing to do with the spiritual conditions of the Jewish people. They are the caretakers, both the good the bad and the ugly.

      When the Jews were bad caretakers, they were exiled. But their exile did not make the eternal promises null and void. When the Jews repented, they came home from Babylon. After 1948, we can all can see that God is faithful to His eternal covenants to the tribes of Israel.

      God stand by His eternal promises. Also that Jews can live inside Israel, because it is their land. But they can only enter the Kingdom of Heaven, washed by the blood of the Lamb of God. Yeshua of Nazareth. A man we in English address as Jesus.

      One day, when everyone has deleted the eternal promises of God in regards to Zion, the Jews will cry for the Messiah to come. He will be be their last and only hope. When they cry, they will say: Blessed are you, Elohim Israel, adonay Yeshua. Blessed are you, who come in the NAME of the Lord. (Elohim).

  2. God is Faithful. He gave the Holy Land to Israel. He will see they
    live there in peace…one day.
    Praise God and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

    1. Thus says the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that you build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
      For all those things have my hand made, and those things have been, says the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembles at my word.
      Isaiah 66

      The children of men war over that small sliver of land, but for those who have eyes to see how great God is, the whole of the earth is Holy Land.

      Israel is holding all the cards – political, economic, militarily and legal. There will never be Peace while the Israelis see the Arabs as inferior to them and little by little appropriate and expand on Palestinian land, the very land that is subject of Peace negotiations. There will be resistance.

      Every religious division between Jews, Christians and Muslims came about over disputations of what the scriptures mean. Everything must be taken into account.

      Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
      Son of man, they that inhabit those wastes of the land of Israel speak, saying, Abraham was one, and he inherited the land: but we are many; the land is given us for inheritance.

      Wherefore say unto them, Thus says the Lord GOD; You eat with the blood, and lift up your eyes toward your idols, and shed blood: and shall you possess the land?
      You stand upon your sword, you work abomination, and you defile every one his neighbour’s wife: and shall you possess the land?
      Say thus unto them, Thus says the Lord GOD; As I live, surely they that are in the wastes shall fall by the sword, and him that is in the open field will I give to the beasts to be devoured, and they that be in the forts and in the caves shall die of the pestilence.
      For I will lay the land most desolate, and the pomp of her strength shall cease; and the mountains of Israel shall be desolate, that none shall pass through.
      Then shall they know that I am the LORD, when I have laid the land most desolate because of all their abominations which they have committed.
      Ezekiel 33

      Shall this not be considered as the word of the Lord? Do the prophets not speak of Future Time when the LORD takes his power to Himself?

      1. 1Chronicles 17:10 I(God) declare to you(David) that the Lord(Christ) will build a house for you: When your days are are over and you go to be with your fathers (Abraham, Issac, and Jacob), I(God) will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons,(Jesus) and I (God) will establish his kingdom. He (Jesus)is the one who will build a house for me(his father), and I
        (God) will be his father,and he(Jesus) will be my son. I (God) will never take my love away from him, as I did your(David) predecessor. I(God will set him(Jesus) over my(God) house and my(God) Kingdom forever;his(Jesus) throne will be established forever.
        This happened 2000 years ago. The house of God who’s builder is Christ began just as was prophesied. He came back and brought salvation to those who were waiting for him and continues to bring salvation to those who believe. His kingdom is everlasting and people from all tongues tribes and nation are in it. We don’t have to wait for it to come. Its already here

  3. “They were elected by God for bringing the very knowledge of God to the lost mankind.” I thought that’s what we Christians have been called to do. Blessed are the Peace Makers for they shall be called the Children of God. The Jerusalem Post is my Home Page. I read it every day. Reading the comments, there are few Peace Makers. I get the impression most of the commentators are like Jonah, angry and wanting to see that Great World City Nineveh destroyed.(allegory-metaphor)

    I hope they do it soon since the Biblical prophecy of Armageddon would be impossible to become a reality but for the re-creation of Israel from the Bible after 3000 years. Israel did not exist when Jesus taught and walked throughout the Roman Province of Palestine when the Revelation was given.

    It is not the will of God Armageddon should happen but is the deception of the 3 unclean spirits, devils and false prophet (bad religion) Armageddon, the word derived from Har Megiddo, is located in Israel Today.

    If Israel starts a war with Iran, the world will be on the irreversible path to Armageddon.

    Read 1 Kings 22. God then is the same God Today.

    1. Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

      Shalom

      You wrote:

      “They were elected by God for bringing the very knowledge of God to the lost mankind.” I thought that’s what we Christians have been called to do.

      My comment:

      The knowledge about who God is was there, long time before there was a Christian walking on the face of the Earth. “Christianity” that do not acknowledge its roots in Judaism, is a false religion.

      Judaism can never be a false religion. Than we claim that 2/3 of the Bible is falsehood. Judaism is an incomplete religion, if the Messiah has not been made known. Messianic Jews who celebrate the Messiah Yeshua has made Judaism complete. “Christians” who think the knowledge about God came in the year 30 A.D or so, have basically not understood anything.

      1. Hi Ivar
        Peace to you
        You said Judaism can never be a false religion. That would be a true statement if the Judaism of today was the same now as when Moses gave the law. Yes Christianity has its roots in Judaism, and we must never forget that. The law, the Psalms, and the prophets spoke of the one who would come who would be the fullfilment of the the teachings of Judaism. That would be Jesus. Judaism today does not recognize him therefore: and frankly hates him. Judaism today is based on the teachings of the Talmud. Wouldn’t that make it a false religion? Gentile christians who celebrate Messiah also like Messianic Jewish christians together have made Judaism complete. The gospel that would be presented to all men was spoken of as early as the Genesis writing. The Knowledge of God and what his intent was, was certainly known before A.D. 30.
        New testament writings began to come about around 50.A.D. I think the inspiration of the spirit to breathe the word into the new testament writers was directly due to the false teachings of Judaism. Judaism or Judaizers were preaching another gospel which was adding works and circumcision in the mix and were also the biggest proponent of persecution on the people of God.
        The people of God then were believers in Messiah as they are now.
        Judaism of today is not the same. It has become a wasim. What will never change is God’s word. You cannot be people of God without
        acknowledging and celebrating his son Jesus. When the apostle Paul said that all scripture was given by the inspiration of God and is profitable for instruction, reproof and correction he was talking about what had been written in what we refer to as the Old testament, because that was the only scripture,so surely the gospel and the knowledge of God was known well before A.D. 30. The teachers of the law misunderstood
        what God said and added to his word therefore they were blind leading the blind. Jesus called them blind guides and they led generations of Israelites astray

      2. Dear Todd

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Judaism today is based on the teachings of the Talmud. Wouldn’t that make it a false religion?

        My comment:

        Religious Jews are not a united group of people. There is a lot of different schools within Judaism. I agree with you, that Talmudic Judaism leads Jews away from God, and into man made legalism. In some versions of the Talmud, there have been written horrible things about Jesus of Nazareth.

        Religious Jews are divided in how to apply the Torah, and how to understand the Rabbinical instructions in the Talmud.

        You can not use the Torah to define how many kilometers you can drive on a Sabbath or not. So the Jews use traditions in a bid to come into agreement. They do not agree.

        Paul explains that those who are under the Torah, (law) will be judged my the law. That will be a sticky wicket, since there are more than 600 laws a religious Jew must obey. As Paul I am convinced that it will be better to be judged by the New Covenant of grace. But we who are gentiles grafted into the commonwealth of Israel, must not take grace for granted.

        Show me a man that is able to live according to the sermon of the Mount?

        When I talk about Judaism not being a false religion, I will underline that I am talking about the Old Testament. The Torah and the Tannakh.

      3. Ivar
        You are up early
        Amen and amen to all you have said.
        We agree
        That’s good. common ground.
        I read a couple of days ago on your site where a women commended you on your writing in english. and I echo the same on your behalf. You do a great job.
        Have a good and Godly day today

      4. Todd, you have explained the difference between the OT & NT well in a clear and unequivocal way that refined my own perceptions. Thank you for your contribution.

        I am of the view the more temporal Israel rejects Jesus who leads us to Sonship with God in recognizing our common humanity in that God so loved the world he sent his only begotten Son to die for both Jews and Palestinians so that they would have life, and more abundantly than they have now, then this will be the result:

        O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you that kills the prophets, and stones them which are sent unto you, how often would I have gathered your children together, even as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not!
        Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

        This word of the LORD is True to this very Day.

        You can lead someone to knowledge, but you can’t make them think!

      5. IVAR you say, “When I talk about Judaism not being a false religion, I will underline that I am talking about the Old Testament. The Torah and the Tannakh.

        No one can disagree with this statement, but I think it is True that many Jews, Christians and Muslims don’t practise what they preach not live up to the highest ideals of God as recorded in the Torah, The NT and the Quran. Even so, God sent his only Son to die for them while they were still dead in their sins. Should we love them less?

  4. “The knowledge about who God is was there, long time before there was a Christian walking on the face of the Earth.”

    It is also True God was there and here now long before there was a Jew walking on the face of the earth. Jews did not exist at the Time of God’s visit with Abraham.

    Before Abraham I AM Jesus said.

    1. Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

      Shalom.

      Your comment:

      It is also True God was there and here now long before there was a Jew walking on the face of the earth. Jews did not exist at the Time of God’s visit with Abraham.

      My reply:

      God’s election of Abraham and the tribes of Israel is mankind’s new beginning after the flood. God of the Bible chose to reveal Him self to new generations of people, who had no written records of Him. Moses was given the task. He was a Hebrew, and a son of the tribes of Jacob. From the tribe of Levi. Moses wrote about His forefathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

  5. I like the article and thanks too Ray for your imput and your truth seeking and your knowldge… shalom and be blessed in the truth of the scriptures and by HIS Spirit let it be confirmed

    1. Greetings and Peace Brenda. Thank you for the support and encouragement.

      Did you know the Cormier family in CanaDa was started by 2 brothers who were carpenters and built the 1st Settlement in the New World at Port Royale, Nova Scotia in 1605 before the Mayflower arrived on the shores of America?

      The more one thinks, meditates and contemplates on the wonders and mysteries of God with an open mind as a humble child wanting to learn, the more God reveals to that one. It’s more than going to Church on Sunday. It’s Christ and God living in you 24/7 so it’s a full time search within as we talk with anyone else.

      Come now, and let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
      Isaiah 1

      It takes a lot for a human to reason with Almighty God, the Eternal One.

  6. Israeli Jews believe because they were born of Sarah the wife of Abraham, they are entitled to all the land. Because Ishmael, also of the seed of Abraham, was born of the slave woman to Sarah has no part in the promise and inheritance of Abraham.

    And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    With this view in mind, Paul, who never met Jesus could teach:

    For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
    But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

    As Paul grew in the knowledge of the Spirit of the Lord, that idea developed into this:

    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

    Israeli Jews Today refuse to recognize this Common Era of Christ. If they did, Israel would Truly become a Blessing to the Nations. For now, it is under the curse.

    1. Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

      Shalom.

      Your comment:

      Israeli Jews Today refuse to recognize this Common Era of Christ. If they did, Israel would Truly become a Blessing to the Nations. For now, it is under the curse.

      My reply:

      This is the same view that Adolf Hitler had.

      1. Dear Ray Joseph Cormier

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        I’m not aware of that, but the question remains? Is it True?

        My reply.

        You and Adolf Hitler are in the same league. You claim the Jews are a cursed people, because they do not accept “Christ”. This is the very basic of Replacement theology. When it is taken to its logical conclusion, we get different kinds of Holocausts.

        You are a religious man, who have been deceived by a deceptive spirit, and a copy cat Messiah. You deceive others, and it is within my capacity to warn you.

        The Jews are loved by God. Loved on the account of the forefathers. Not because of their relationship with the Messiah after He died and resurrected. The Messiah Jesus was with them out of Egypt, and has brought them back to Israel. Many Jews search for Him, and they will be saved by Him.

        I will not accept neo-Nazism and Jew-hate on this site. If I do not see any repentance, I will spam your next message.

      2. Dear all readers.

        I have spammed Ray Joseph Cormier

        His last comment about Israels “murderous bombardment of Gaza” can stand as a warning to us all. Jew-hate is the same in Iran and in Churches who serve Satan, the Father of Replacement theology. Men like Cormier has been following this blogg, but have not learned anything. The spirit of Jew-hate in the name of “Jesus” is known to all of us. Like Cormier, Hitler believed “god” was with him. ‘Got mit uns”.

        The Jews are not righteous, nor are the majority of them saved. But we who believe in the Messiah, have been called to love them.

        Romans 11:28
        As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,

      3. Dear all readers.

        Shalom.

        I do not want the two Cormier’s on this blog. People who claim to know the Messiah, but call the Jewish people cursed, needs to find other forums for their blunt Jew-hate and antisemitism.

        Just to repeat the rules and regulations for the comment field:

        Comments which includes the following, will not be accepted:

        1. Jew hate.
        2. Filthy language
        3. Insults without regrets.
        4. Long booklets of information, that have been copied from other sources.

        Please make short comments in context to the present topic, and make one point at the time. If you have found an interesting article or a video. Share a link with us.

        Editor in Chief.

  7. I am a personal friend of Brenda Cormier. She is NOT a personal friend of Ray Cormier, nor does she even know him. She made a perfectly harmless comment and she IS NOT A JEW HATER! She loves all of God’s children and she deserves an apology. I have no clue why she was slammed like you did. You could at least have asked her for a little more input, got to know her a little. She’s a sweetheart who dearly loves the Lord.
    Shame on you.

    1. Dear Beth

      Shalom.

      I will take a second look at the comments by both the Cormier’s. Spamming is used an act of discipline on this blogg. Their next messages will be scrutinized and published.

      I am very sensitive towards messages from people who claim that the Jews are cursed. If I accepted such messages from people who also say “Got mit uns”, I would have to keep this forum open for men like Adolf Hitler.

      1. I will try…one more time . I have written a few times to get this sorted out. I have not been sure if you or others have received them before my friend Beth wrote. I love the Jewish people and the land of Israel. God blesses those who love her. I have been born again for about 27 yrs. Right from the start I have been taught about the Jewish background and how we are grafted in with them. Praise the Lord!! To the Jew first then to the Gentile. I follow very closely the goings on in the world and especially Israel. I am very close friends with many Christians..and Messianics who love me and I them. We share much of what is happening and how it is speeding up so rapidly. I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. I was happy to write on your blogg and within minutes I was tossed out. It broke my heart..and deeply saddened me. I could not comment when I realized what Ray Cormier’s belief about the Jewish people and the land of Israel and Jerusalem. He is deceived by media and Satan. I do love him but not his view on this important subject. I hope that you and others have a clear understanding of where I am coming from. If any doubts please ask me first!! Shalom

      2. Dear Brenda Cormier

        Shalom, and love in Jesus the Messiah.

        Please excuse me for spamming you. I got bugged with a man who has the same surname as you. All of us commits mistakes. It was a mistake to spam you.

        Please forgive me.

        Love and grace.

        Editor.

  8. Hi Ivarfjeld, I want to say I sent a few messages to try to clear this up regarding my imput and Ray Cormier. I read his message too fast and when I came back to the computer to write I must have read your message and got it mixed up with his. ..thus what I wrote..but it was also to the rest on here..but it was not clear the way I shared it. I am very very close friends and am on sites that are very ..extremely PRO ISRAELI and pro Jewish …thus why Israel is and has been bombarded with hate. I support the nation of Israel and always have since being born again over 27 yrs ago. I am not at all into replacement theology..that is gross!! I also saw right after I posted that Ray was putting Israel down. I gasped!! I want to clear that up too. I love all people including Mr Ray..but not what he believes it seems about the Jewish people and what is happening In Israel…he does not understand and is misled. blessings and shalom Ivarfjeld..

  9. I can understand that, certainly. I appreciate you taking a second look. Brenda doesn’t agree with all Ray said at all. She only saw part of it, and was very upset that she got spammed. As her friend and knowing how much see seeks Truth and the Lord, I can truly tell you that she is not like him.

    Shalom

      1. Awww…I love my friends, which are very few when it comes to REAL friends. Thank you for giving her another chance.

        Blessings to you.

  10. I will keep this message brief. I want to thank you Ivarfjeld for opening up the blog to me. It means a great deal to me and am glad I was able to clear things up.
    I want to thank my dear friend Beth..she is such a sweetheart for coming to my defense… Hugs my friend. She has a heart after the Lord too. She loves the Jewish people and the land of Israel and Jerusalem too.
    Promised to keep this one short
    Shalom and be at peace

  11. You are forgiven..all is forgotten …keep fighting the good fight of faith as you do Ivarfjeld..and yes..I understand..I make mistakes daily!!
    Shalom my dear friend

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