No place for Jesus when Christian Zionists meet Jews

Prime Minister Netanyahu, speaking via satellite. John Hagee preached about “The Torah being the way”, and everyone was happy.

Silent Apostle: John Hagee do not speak about Jesus when He is faced by Jews. The gospel is watered down.

Over 5000 Christians, mainly Evangelicals, gathered this week at the Convention Center in Washington for the annual conference of the organization CUFI, Christians United For Israel.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu addressed the Christian Zionist conference via satellite, telling them:

“When you support Israel, you don’t have to choose between your interests and your values; you get both”.

News commentator Glenn Beck worked the audience into a frenzy, decrying the historical persecution of Jews, insisting that Israel cannot cede control over territories it controls, and calling upon the conference attendees to declare that they, too, are Jewish.
Jews have been chased out of every corner of this planet,” said Beck. “Enough is enough.”

Beck said that new states can be established, but not at the expense of other states, and that Israel is historically the “land of the Jews’, implying that Israel should not relinquish control over the West Bank in order to create a State of Palestine.

The conference attendees learned that Pastor John Hagee, the founder of CUFI, would be joining Beck for his planned rally in Jerusalem in August.

Hagee told the audience, many of whom were waving both Israeli and American flags, “We gathered here with one message: Israel today, Israel tomorrow, and Israel forever.” He added, “President Obama is no friend of Israel”.

  “The truth is not what you think that it is – it’s what the Bible says”, Hagee proclaimed. “There are two ways to live your life – the Torah way and the wrong way.”

“If the US Administration forces Israel to divide Jerusalem – God will turn his back to the United States of America. The G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is watching America,” Hagee continued. “Mister President, go tell Russia and the Chinese what to do.”

“Iran will soon become nuclear. Our President is waiting for Iran to extend a friendly hand, and it’s not going to happen,” Hagee added. “Mister Ahmadinejad, don’t threaten Israel. What you do to the Jewish people, history proves, will be done to you.”

Source:  Israeli Newspaper Haaretz.

My comment:

As a Christian Zionist, I have voiced my concern that many of my brothers and sisters sees no need to evangelize the Jews.  Like if their salvation is secured by their great support for Zionism. Salvation is not a matter of being a pro-Zionist or a not-Zionist Jew.

This is a trap.

How would a Jew like the Apostle Peter, have reacted at the message to Jews given at this convention in Washington?

If you do not tell the Jews about salvation in Yeshua only, you are not a lover of the Jewish people. Peter the Jewish apostle would not missed a single opportunity, to tell his Jewish brethren about the cross and the blood of Jesus the Messiah.

Another trap set for claimed to be followers of Jesus, is not to support Zionism. That Jesus have forgotten or deleted all the eternal promises He and His Father have given the Jewish people.

 Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

A true follower of Jesus would do both in their meeting with Jews. Claim salvation in the blood of Jesus only, and that the true Messiah has regathered the Jewish people, and is the protector of the Jewish homeland.

 John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

This is the truth. And it should be told to both Jews and gentiles.

Written by Ivar

60 thoughts on “No place for Jesus when Christian Zionists meet Jews

  1. John Hagee is a very dangerous man to the body of Christ. Glen Beck is a Mormon and another danger. Don’t be fooled by him “christain”

    1. Gloria I disagree about your comments about John Hagee. I dont find him dangerous or his doctrine. I was at the Christians United for Israel conference two years ago in Denver where he spoke. I’m also reading Can America Survive 10 prophetic signs we are the terminal generation by John Hagee. I have yet to find anything wrong with his doctrine or any thing that would label him dangerous?

      However Ivar is right. The night was dedicated to putting Israel and the Jews on a Pedastool. Nothing was mentioned about John 14:6 or even trying to evangelize towards them. This needs to be the main focus.

      Sadly Israel doesnt want to hear it. In fact they go nuts about conversions. Is there a way? I dont know.

      1. Dear Richard.

        Shalom.

        I do not disagree with a lot of the messages from John Hagee. I share His concern about Islam, and the global political attacks on the state of Israel.

        My point is that an Apostle to the Jews, like John Hagee claims he is, must share the gospel with the Jews. He must not be scared of telling Benjamin Netanyahu about Heaven and Hell, and explain that all who have not been washed by the Blood of Jesus, will be separated from the Kingdom of Heaven. Either they agree with the gospel or not.

        John Hagee also have come clean on the topic of the Vatican. When the Roman Catholic Church in the US put pressure on Him, and said sorry for calling the Papacy the seat of the whore of Babylon.

        Any news on this issues will be welcomed.

      2. Richard, as someone who keeps an eye on Hagee, I can say for certain that he is a heretic and a dangerous man. He believes in dual-covenant theology and has advocated starting wars that he believes will hasten the second coming.

        Whilst I appreciate his support for Israel, his particular form of Christian Zionism is not something that I wish to be associated with.

        In response to your question about how to reach Jewish people, I believe that this is best done by Jewish believers in Jesus who are living Jewish lifestyles and see themselves as part of the Jewish community. It’s the approach advocated by Mark Kinzer in his book “Postmissionary Messianic Judaism”. It’s rather controversial and many find it difficult to accept, but I don’t know of any other way that doesn’t have major problems (of theology or practice) associated with it.

      3. Dear Anastasis.

        Shalom.

        Your comment to Richard:

        In response to your question about how to reach Jewish people, I believe that this is best done by Jewish believers in Jesus who are living Jewish lifestyles and see themselves as part of the Jewish community.

        My response:

        I do not disagree with you. But as a Messianic believer, not being Jewish, I have seen Messianic Jews not being able to get their not Messianic Jewish brethren’s attention. I have also seen not Jewish believers in Yeshua having a deep impact on Jewish youth, simply by their love and support for the Jewish people from the outside.

        That a Jew love a Jew, or support Israel, is not a big thing for an Israeli. But a goyim being a stronger supporter of Israel, and a greater lover of Jews than many other Jews, is astonishing for many Israeli’s. The presence of the Holy Spirit is the only force that can save anyone. Also a Jew. As Paul explains: Love never fails….!!!!

    2. Amen Gloria
      I have given warnings to readers about both of these men on this site. I heard Pastor Hagee speak at a conference recently and he spoke nothing of Christ crucified, only support for Israel.
      The Jews present did not have to hear about Jesus who attoned for their sin. Hagee will not be bold and speak Christ crucified to a jewish audience. I believe Hagee receives a lot from his rich Jewish friends because he is good for Israels causes. He wouldn’t want to jeprodize his reciprocation he receives from Israelis. Beware of him

      1. The Haggee’s have also swerved into the heresy of the word-faith movement. Suddenly the Gospel is all about being rich. At times they merely sound like the loud, boisterous relatives of the Olsteen’s.

      2. Dear Zippy.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        The Haggee’s have also swerved into the heresy of the word-faith movement.

        My reply:

        I have seen through my fingers about the Word of God doctrines, taught by John Hagee. Simply because He has been such a solid supporter of Israel.

        I have been more than worried, over Christian Zionist leaders removing the name of Jesus, in gatherings with Jews. They only speak about “god”. This is the End time religion emerging, where a great compromise will bring religious people together in unity. Those who believe in Jesus, and do give the gospel to others, can not approve this movement to be a part true Messianic Christianity.

        I once heard John Hagee say that “poverty is a curse”. Cursing the poor with this line, is also to bring down curses on your own head.

        Your support for Israel becomes valueless in the eyes of Jesus, if you curse others in the name of Jesus. The Master clearly explained that there will be plenty of cursed “rich” people, who stored up riches on Earth.

        I guess there might be more people in the rapture from poorer sections of society, than from World of Faith congregations all over the planet.

      3. Amen Todd…where is the discernment for socalled christains? Understanding The Bible is a barometer for Faithfulness (Emunah). LORD G-D help me to see and hear and pay attention to the times we are living in and to be doing Your Will oh LORD my Saviour. Amen

      4. Amen Zippy, the Remnant of faithful christians both jew and gentile is getting smaller and smaller. That will happen before “The Day of The LORD”. HIS Wrath on the unbelieving world that is in the power of the wicket one for now. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of G-D.Amen Amen

      5. The Glenn Beck and john Hagee philosopy is the same that was used by the PHARASEES, to misslead their followers, RIGHT NOW WE ALL THAT BELIVE IN jESUS cHRIST AS OUR ONLY SAVIOUR, KNOW THAT WE ARE LIVING IN THE TIME JESUS CHRIST CALLED THE FALL AWAY CHURCH, BEEN LED BY FALSE TEACHERS AND WOLFS IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.
        Men like Glenn and John are more than most people think, since the enemies of the cross have INFILTRATED, the organized congregations of belivers since back in the early seventys, when the demonic SPIRIT OF LEADERSHIP FIRST APEAR IN THE CONGREGATION, that was a sign that our lord Jesus Christ gave to his followers, to grow up and leave the synogoge, just like the DISIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST DID, ONCE THEY WERE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
        Anybody that stays in the congregation after reciving the HOLY SPIRIT are the ones that are afraid to trust the LEADERSHIP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AN PREFER TO TRUT THE LEADING OF A MAN BEHIND THE PULPIT.
        GOG AND MAGOG HAS ALREADY INVADED ISRAEL, SINCE BEFORE 1948, WE ALL KNOW THAT THE SO CALLED JEWS IN ISRAEL ALL COME FROM EASTERN EUROPE, ACROSS FROM RUSSIA,AND AS FAR WEST AS GERMANY AND EVEN ENGLAND, DID NOT THE PROPHETS INCLUDED ALL THSOE NATIONS AS TO WHERE THE INVATION WAS TO COME FROM INTO ISRAEL, AND WHO ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN KILLING THE PEOPLE ALREADY IN PALESTINE SINCE THE DAYS OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE ROMAN EMPIRE. THE FALSE CHURCH IS HELPING THE ANTI-CHRIST TO ESTABLISH ITSELF BY DESTROYING EVERY NATION INCLUDING OUR OWN CHRISTIAN NATION WHICH IS RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE SAME IMPOSTOR JEWS THAT DESTROYED RUSSIA,AND ALL OF EUROPE INCLUDING GERMANY, RIGHT NOW THEY ARE ALSO DISMATALING ALL THE LATIN NATIONS SOUTH OF OUR BORDER, BY PROMOTING DEVIANT SEX,PORNOGRAPHY AND A GODLESS GOVERMENT THAT USES ITS MILITARY AS A FORCE TO PROTECT THE IMPOSTOR DJEWS IN LATIN AMERICA, USING THE DRUG CARTELS IN THE SAME MANNER AS THEY HAVE USED MUSLIM TERRORISM IN AMERICA TO SUPRESS OUR FREEDOMS.
        I f the first diciples had done that and stayed under the teaching of the pharesees the salvation of christ would have disapear.
        WHY IS IT THAT NO MAN BEHIND THE PULPIT NEVER PREACHES ON JOHN 8:44 ON, Where Jesus Christ Himself forwarned His followersby telling it like it is “YE JEWS ARE OF YOUR FATHER THE DEVIL, YOU ARE NOT MY SHEEP AND YOU ARE NOT OF GOD”

      6. Hi Mary,

        Please let me stop you right here. Please read Romans 11:27-29,
        27 This is My covenant with them,(jews) When I take away their sins,” 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies FOR YOUR SAKE, but from the standpoint of God’s choice THEY ARE BELOVED FOR THE SAKE OF THE FATHERS; 29 FOR THE GIFTS AND CALLING OF GOD ARE IRREVOCABLE.

        At the very beginning of Yeshua’s ministry he says that he came for the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL. The new covenant, i.e., the New Testament, was made with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah. Book of Jeremiah.

        Yeshua and His Apostles are all Jewish, they celebrated all of the Feasts of the Lord, i.e.,Jjewish Feasts, because Yeshua came to fulfill them. He fulfilled the Springs with His first coming, and He will fulfill the Fall Feasts with His second coming.

        If you continue to celebrate your “christian feasts,” which have their roots in paganism, you might just find yourself sitting under your pagan Christmas tree singing Jingle Bells, and miss the return of Yeshua. You will then be one of the foolish virgins.

    3. dangerous, indeed. I am in shock at the “Christians” who “follow” him and have “joined ” his false religious group – my church included … It is ludicrous to call his group “Christians United for Israel” – their very own Executive Director does NOT claim Jesus Christ as Messiah, Savior or Lord … ummm … THAT is the most BASIC of “requirements” to be “named” a “Christian” … ie: “CHRIST” ian …

      1. continuing my “comment” above:

        This is audio of David Brog, Executive Director of CUFI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkF1oOJpuoM

        David Brog declares, “I don’t believe Jesus was the Jewish Messiah …”

        How does a man who boldy, blatantly, unappologetically DENIES Jesus Christ as Messiah be placed as the head of a “Christian” organization???

        Call the group “Americans United for Israel” – or anything but “Christians United for Israel.”

        Naming an organization after Jesus Christ, then ordering the members to be silent about Jesus to the very people they are gathered to help, and declaring that at ALL official gatherings representing the organization, “proselytizing” ABOUT Jesus is strictly forbidden, is blasphemous. It is also hateful and prejudicial against Jews.

        I agree that neither Jesus, Paul nor any of the apostles or New Testament authors would have “stood” for such hateful treatment of any group of people. Each of them paid dearly to bring the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ to every nation and every human being. In fact, Jesus – when He called Saul – specifically called him TO proselytize the Jews, as well as Gentiles and kings – in fact, Saul was a Pharisee, a Jewish teacher, some called him a Rabbi – and the FIRST place he preached Jesus was in the synagogues: Acts 9:20 “Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.”

        I appreciate this blog entry – thank you!

      2. Jae,
        There was a time when I didn’t believe, that Jesus was the jewish Messiah.
        This can be said for almost every jew, and might I add, this is true of many of your now, christian brethren, as well.
        Bare in mind, that it was G’d who partially blinded the jewish people, and for your benefit, I might add. The Jews have been blinded until ‘the fullness of the Gentiles come in.’ Remember, Paul’s words: Romans 11:25-26, For I do not desire, brethern, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part, has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved.
        This jewish unbeliever has likely been chose for this position for other reasons, and who knows, this could make a believer out of him. You have no way of knowing how many other Jews will see this union of Jew and Gentile working together, doing ‘good works’ and have their hearts softened toward the gospel. Moreover; ‘good works’ are very inportant to Jews. This is something that they wll take notice of. So don’t boast against the branches, remember that they are more easily grafted back into their natural tree.

      3. Hi Jae have you heard about “Christain Palestinianism”? if not go to Moriel.org the artical page, click a artical, it will take you to a serch engine, left of the page, put in the name Paul Wilkinson. There will be a pdf on “Christain Palestinianisn”. Donkeys are following Hageethey have NOT been redeemed by The LAMB of G-D my Saviour. Yeshua. Even people who think they are The LORD’S sheep are nothing but a bunch of goats! G-D Bless you my brother Jae…Stand Firm!

  2. How could you say such a thing about Pastor Hagee? He is obviously standing behind God’s people. I am sure they know that he is a believer in Jesus Christ and he has witnessed to them, but even if they do not accept Jesus as the Messiah, they are STILL God’s people and we should bless them. God will judge Israel, not us. Pastor Hagee is only saying that the Torah, which is practically the old testament of the bible, is the Holy word of God. The only issue with the Torah is that it is not complete without Jesus. It is not John Hagees’ job to save the Jews but to love them.

    1. Dear Anjalai

      Shalom.

      You write:

      How could you say such a thing about Pastor Hagee?

      My comment:

      Pastor Hagee needs to be like Peter or Paul. So do I, and so do you.

      To preach about Jesus while being among Christians, does not make you an apostle to the Jewish people. To love Israel is more than anything, to explains to them that the Jewish people has no blood to offer for their sins. Their fighter jets, money and support for the Zionists in the Knesset, is not going to take a single Jews through the narrow gate.

      70 per cent of the Israeli’s, God’s chosen people, do not even acknowledge that there is a god. So Hagee should be like Peter, and use every opportunity. The miracles on day of Pentecost could simply not have taken place inside the Jewish-Christian convention in Washington D.D, simply because the gospel is not preached.

    2. Love is telling people the Truth…Hagee is really saying “i love you jew, go to hell without your Messiah!”. That is NOT love that is SICK!!!

      1. Dear Gloria J.

        Sabbath Shalom, and welcome back.

        In the Christian Zionist camp, there are many people who love Yeshua. Including my self. I am convinced that Jews can only be saved by the blood of the Jewish Messiah. The good news shall be preached to Jews first, and to all people on the face on the Earth.

        I do not agree with all John Hagee says. I do not like Christian Zionists not being willing to share the gospel with Jews. But in regards to the eternal promise of the land, the liberated city of Jerusalem, and the Jews right to live in Judea and Samaria, John Hagee is right.

      2. The jewish people (1/3rd) will have all that land and more after the Wrath of Almighty LORD G-D destroys those that are not His people. It’s not about Gaza, Judea or Samaria it’s about Jerusalem. Satan already has Jerusalem he wants to keep it. When Satan demands to be worshiped in Jerusalem then The Almighty LORD G-D of Israel will have His say! Then the 1000 years begins, many people will be born during that time to be tought by animal sacrifices that their blood only covered sin of the people BUT the Bood of The LAMB of G-D Yeshua, His Blood did much much more then cover, He warshed my sins away. Do i still sin yes i do and His Holy Spirit convicts me and i repent, i have a loving G-D and The G-D of Judgement that took my wrath so i would not have to. i don’t know Hagee’s eschatology, and i don’t care to know. He does not seem to know much about sanctification and that ALL must come to repentants, to the jew first that’s for sure. If it were not for the Jewish Yeshua their Messiah and His Remnant the jews that believed, Old and New Testament i would be on my way to hell, BUT G-D saved this wretch, me by undeserved Mercy and Amazing Grace. Amen G-D’s Grace be with you my brother Ivar

  3. Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? If they don’t walk with The LORD JESUS Christ then they are walking with Satan! He as we are told by The LORD that Satan will ‘appear as a Minister of Righteousness…be not deceived by the ones you may like or even agree with…a little leaven will leaven the whole lump! Judge it by The Word of God if it agrees with that…and The Word of God will NEVER CONTRADICT itself…FACT (smile) but man will twist to each generation, each translation to justify their own message to appear wise before men and profit on all for their own self ..
    These people are walking on thin ice!

    1. Dear Richard.

      Shalom.

      Dzul has been spammed. The delay is due to me being on Holiday, and away from my MAC most of the day.

      I am sorry for this kind of filth, was not removed at once.

  4. Witnessing to Jews is very difficult, yet, it is the most loving act that you can do. Remember, that G’d is the one who blinded their eyes. Psalm 69: 22 -23 “Let their table become a snare before them, and their well-being a trap. Let their EYES be DARKENED, so that THEY DO NOT SEE;”
    Romans 11:25 “For I do not desire, brethern, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that BLINDNESS in part has happened to ISRAEL until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.” For a Jew to realize that they are spiritually blind, is shattering, then to be told that Jesus is G’d, is generally where you will loose them. Compare scriptures in the Tanach, with scriptures in the New Testament to prove who Jesus is:
    Genesis 1:2 “And the Spirit of God was HOVERING OVER THE FACE OF THE WATERS.” Compare; Matthew 14: 25 “Now in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went to them, WALKING ON THE SEA.”
    OR

    Genesis 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and BREATHED into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE; and man became a living being.” Compare; John 20:21-22 “So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” And when He had said this, HE BREATHED on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”
    We all have our share in the harvest, and it seems as though G’d is lifting the blinders from off of the eyes of the jewish people. Many are coming to faith in Yeshua. More proof that we are indeed; living in the last days, before, the return of the Messiah.

  5. http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/about/mission.cfm
    All Jews do not support Zionism, which is being ignored by the mainstream media. Convince the news media, politicians and the public to cease referring to the state of Israel as the “Jewish State”. Zionist Israel is a SECULAR STATE which is not guided by the teachings of the traditional Jewish faith. Jews could then live in peace if everyone understood this. Please make a distinction between Ashkenazim non Semite Jews and Those Semite Jews whose ancestors were in Israel. Christians should be aware that according to The True Jews they were to remain scattered around the world and subject to those governments until the Messiah came. The state of Israel was set up to usher in the Masonic Anti Christ . Pastor Hagee is wrong, and you should have serious doubts when a so called man of God does not witness to the Jews. Please read all of Romans chapter 11 and then read Revelations 2:9 I know the blasphemy of them that say they are Jews but are not; but are of the synagogue of Satan. Research Ashkenazim Jews they are NON Semite converts . Most of the Prime Ministers of Israel were all Ashkenazim . There is a far more devious goal behind the scenes that the church is unaware of. Those with discernment are reading the truth for the first time let it sink in, Think hard and pray ask Jesus Christ to reveal this to you. Should you support the synagogue of Satan ? These Secular Non Jews are bringing the world to the brink of destruction . The Jews are appointed a time of salvation the Master Christ will; rebuild the Temple with His own hands ! There are dire consequences for those who get ahead of Him. I say these things to warn you !Peace and Blessings !!!!

  6. Deuteronomy 29:4 explains for all time why, for the most part, Jews cannot see Yeshua as Messiah….they are partially hardened as a people, as Paul describes in Romans 11. The day will come when they will see Him as Messiah, and will “look on Him whom the pierced” per Zechariah 12, and their veil will be lifted.

    Then they will receive a new heart of flesh, be given eyes to see and ears to hear, so they will be His people, and He will be their God, as described in Ezekiel 36.

  7. Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

    Answer not a fool according to his folly,…. Sometimes a fool, or wicked man, is not to be answered at all; as the ministers of Hezekiah answered not a word to Rabshakeh; nor Jeremiah the prophet to Hananiah; nor Christ to the Scribes and Pharisees; and when an answer is returned, it should not be in his foolish way and manner, rendering evil for evil, and railing for railing, in the same virulent, lying, calumniating, and reproachful language;
    lest thou also be like unto him; lest thou also, who art a man of understanding and sense, and hast passed for one among men, come under the same imputation, and be reckoned a fool like him.

    (A fool will say in his heart there is no God)…but i Hell they cry out to the ONE GOD who is real…but then it is too late!

  8. Hagee categorizes the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people as ‘controversial’ – not wrong. Hence, he incites genocide. A person doesn’t have to consider themselves to be Christian to believe that Christ did his best to deliver a profound message of love. And that is the mark to measure by – what would Jesus say and what would Jesus do and what would Jesus condone or condemn when it comes to Israeli apartheid and the oppression and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people?

    1. Dear Diane.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      Jesus is not a social activists for Arabs. Neither for Jews. He came to fulfill the promises given by His Father to the patriarchs. Like Jewish King David. Jesus will return, not to liberate the “Palestinians”, but to sit at the throne of David in Jerusalem, and judge all wickedness, sin and idolatry. Only those who have been washed by the Lamb of God, will escape being sent to hell, where they basically deserve to be sent.

      This is the ultimate gospel of love. The rescue mission of Jesus, who saves all who are willing to obey Him, and make Him Master in their life.

      1. Dear ivarfjeld,

        Thank you for your courteous reply. I appreciate it. Forgive me, but I will be direct and make myself as clear as I possibly can – because lives, and according to the doctrine of faith that you hold to, souls – are at stake. If you find in your heart that there may be truth in the following message, I will cling to the humble hope that they might be shared.

        The heart of Christ’s message is love. I categorically disagree with any Christian who would argue that ‘Jesus is not a social activist for Arabs.’ Racism is a loathsome form of wickedness and sin.

        Jesus is a social activist for the entirety of humanity according to his message. His mission is to bring all together in our common humanity, always with an emphasis on forgiveness and love.

        Christ did not say that God did not recognize other faiths.

        ‘There are many rooms in my Father’s house.’

        The worship of the physical land in the geographical place called Israel is an act of sin – it is idolatry – the worst kind of idolatry, that enslaves some while artifically exalting others.

        Anybody who supports the current apartheid state of Israel and the ethnic cleansing and murder of Palestinians is in a state of sin. I believe that Christians who have been led to believe otherwise should give themselves over to quiet contemplation and reflection in the Holy Spirit.

        If the only love you can find in your heart for people in the Holy Land is for Jews only, one should note well that some Palestinians are probably remnants of the original Jews that historically never left.

        There are Palestinians who are Christian who cry out for the love and support and assistance of their Christian brothers and sisters. They are suffering under the yoke of oppression and occupation.

        Last, beware the man or woman who would smile and speak softly, calls himself or herself a Christian leader of the flock, while advocating the destruction of anyone, for anyone, for any reason. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.

    2. God bless you Diane!

      Your words have the true discernment of the holy spirit. Jesus said that any works not done with love as it’s motive had no merit in the eyes of God.

      It’s this discernment that will bring the persecution of the Christians. God is love and the world knows not God!

      1. Tony,
        Remember this: G’d is also a G’d of judgement. We are rapidly heading towards the battle of the ages. You cannot partake of the table of G’d, ie. His love, and of the table of deamons. Islam. Islam is the manifestation of everything satanic.
        This time,the G’d that is returning to this earth, is coming as the Lion of Judah, not the lamb. He has already done that.
        G’d loves all of His creation, but that is hardly the point. He has chosen Israel for His own purposes. He has invited the nations (Gentiles) to become a part of the nation of Israel. This invitation is global. However,If you slander, and side against G’d’s people, then you have willingly sided with Satan. There is no fence, no Switzerland, it’s one side or the other in this battle.

      2. Thank you Tony for your kind words. Although agnostic, I always find a word of blessing comforting. As for Denise, your heart has been hardened to your neighbors who are Muslim. Muslims believe in the Bible just as you do, and many would have more in common with you than they would with myself. The two highest commands of Christ are: love God; and love your neighbor as yourself, in that order. As for Israel, the geographic place, rather than the people called Israel, Israel is indeed currently a racist apartheid state. The poor Palestinian people are daily oppressed and downtrodden. Some of them are devout Christians, and they cry out to their Christian brethren to help them, and to cease supporting their destruction; a pity as well as a bitter irony. There is nothing in the New Testament that advocates giving a Palestinian family ten minutes to vacate the family home or to have little ones be rendered homeless as Israeli bulldozers crush their sanctuary to dust. Blessed are the peacemakers. What you appear to advocate is war.

      3. Hi Diane,
        Israel, though not perfect, has been a blessing to the world in more ways than I care to list. My heart is not hardened. I do not hate muslims. However, I do hate, dispise, loath, and abhor, Islam.
        It isn’t the jews who are shown murdering, rapeing, and burning up cities. It’s the followers of Islam, this includes the so called, Palastinians. They are always calling for the total destruction of Israel. and everyone on this web site, knows it.
        You might fool others, but you don’t fool me. I recognize your name. You and I have exchanged posts before,on the Bare Naked Islam site. A site that was recently taken down because of CAIR ‘s complaints. You are a lier and a fraud. Yeshua told us to be gentle as doves, and as wise as a serpents.
        All of this “G’d is love dribble that you expouse is just a cover that you use, to spread your venom. Just like your father, you present yourself as an angel of light. When in reality, you play on the goodness of unsuspecting Christians, to blaspheme G’d’s land and His people. Your goal is to turn as many believers as possible against Israel. You are no agnostic madam. You are a servant of Allah,aka Satan!

      4. Denise, people in this thread, and people who read this thread, will be able to read what I have written, and what you have written. Our words will speak very clearly for themselves. It’s quite interesting to me that when you find yourself challenged, the long knives come out. ‘Naked Islam’ doesn’t ring a bell. But as a writer, I do obviously leave comments to articles that are interesting to me. If I left a comment there, that does not mean that I wrote anything offensive as you so slyly insinuate. I take great umbrage at your attack upon my character. How dare you judge me. You are wrong about the current political state of Israel. Christian Palestinians, as all Palestinians, are oppressed and abused by racist Zionists whose sole aim is to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people from their homes. They live in a desert and even when they collect rain into cisterns from which to have water to drink, violent Zionist settlers will bulldoze the cisterns or even throw rotted chicken carcasses into them to render them either useless or to sicken Palestinian families who depend on that rain water to survive. When people who truely think of themselves as good, God-fearing Christians blindly support these ongoing offenses against innocent people, no truer words were ever spoken, than, “Forgive them Lord, they know not what they do.”

      5. Dear Diane

        Sabbath Shalom.

        You wrote:

        violent Zionist settlers will bulldoze the cisterns or even throw rotted chicken carcasses into them to render them either useless or to sicken Palestinian families who depend on that rain water to survive.

        My comment:

        This is a typical bid to demonize the Jewish Zionist settlers. The lands is theirs. If someone kept on robbing your land, and kept on shouting “allah is great” killing your family members, you would also have blown your top once in a while.

        There are three lies told by supporters of Islam. They have been told a million times, distributed as the truth. “Palestine, occupation, oppression”

        1. There is no “Palestine” people. The people who try to re-occupy Zion are all Arabs, trying to take back what the Ottoman Empire lost.

        2. There is no occupation of Arab land. The state of Israel has liberated the land given to the Jewish people by God of the Bible.

        3. The state of Israel is not oppressive to the Arabs who live in Zion. There are two million Israeli Arabs living with full Israeli citizenship. The large majority of them are Muslims.

      6. You are right about one thing; our words do speak for themselves. You always have the same evil message, which is… how evil and wicked Israel and the jewish people are. I don’t care how many hallelujas and amens you choose to wrap your slander in, it remains just that; slander!
        For someone who claims to be agnostic; why are you always on christian or jweish/christian websites? And with the same twisted message, I might add.
        On this thread, we may have some theological differences, however, at the end of the day we are, christians and jews, brothers and sisters, one flock, who worships one G’d, and we all love Israel.
        I know that many unsuspecting christians have shared the gospel with you, and it is obvious that you have rejected it. Instead of listening, you have chosen to play the harlot for Islam. And I will expose you at every opertunity. As for your umbruge, you can take it to hell with you.

      7. ivarfjeld, peace and blessings to you. To say that ‘it is their land’ and to justify in any way the destruction of lives is an offense in justice and in all other righteous ways. It would be no different if I were to claim your house. We must be able to distinguish wanting to move to a region for whatever reason and to do so in a lawful way, versus taking what is not ours by force. Your comment is unChristian, fundamentally unethical, and untrue. You wrongly categorize Palestinians as invaders. There were indigenous Jews prior to the modern era and they were fundamentally opposed to ethnically cleansing their Palestinian neighbors and friends. The Palestinians are native to the land. I will speak for peoples’ fundamental human rights regardless of who they are. That is the only way that I can have any assurance whatsoever that other people would hold the same respect for my own dignity and human rights. Love your neighbor as yourself – do unto others only what you would have them do to you. ❤

      8. Dear Diane

        Sabbath Shalom.

        1. There was no “Palestinians” before 1964. Only Arabs. From 1948 to 1967 Egyptian Arabs controlled Gaza. The Jordanian Arabs occupied East Jerusalem, and the Syrian Arabs occupied the Golan.

        2. The “Palestinian” people is a political invention, made for the sole purpose of destroying the only Jewish state there is. The PLO is not a freedom struggle movement, but an Islamic terrorist organization. From the day it was formed in 1964, up to this day.

        3. The state of Israel is a thorn in the eye of ‘allah”. In the Koran there is no place for a Jewish people who live in a sovereign state, not under supervision and in submission to Islam.

        4. Those who buy the Islamic World view and political agenda in regards to the state of Israel have been deceived. At best. Many people hate the Word of God. They hate the eternal promises given to the Jewish people, and all the prophecies that has been full filed in the homecoming of the Jewish people to the mountains of Zion.

  9. Baruch HaShem,
    The gospel is to the jew first and then to the greek.
    Sometimes it seems as though there is a double blindness going on. We have jews who think that they have no need of Yeshua, and christians that think that the Torah was nailed to the cross, and so now they can ignore the law of Moses, and the Feast Days, including the Sabbath. They think that they can continue celebrating their pagan holidays, and they will be safe. When the jews worshiped as the pagans did, HaShem scattered them. Now christians wrongly think that because they lay claim to Yeshua’s Name, that they can continue their pagan practices. And that GOd will give them a wink and a nod, and embrace their pagan worship.
    There is nothing in the New Testament that changed the Torah. Yeshua, Himself said; that not a jot or tittle would pass from the Torah untill all was fulfilled. One of the most chilling portions of scripture is Matthew 7:21-23.
    I believe that the ‘end of days’ has begun. The hour is late. It is time for jew and gentile alike, to awaken from their slumber, and prepare to welcome Yeshua, the Messiah, who is both King and High Priest. To take His rightfull place, and to sit upon the Throne of David.

  10. Amen!! (smile) A double Amen…far too many are claiming ‘Yeshua’ this and Yeshua that…I see it in the stores, a’nd other public places…yet the potty-mouths continue, the piercings continue, the tatoos continue..and the lack of any morals, but hey they ‘got them a new toy’ to chase after! ::::sad:::sad:::No hunger for righteousness
    it’s so sad so many trade off The Lord of Glory for the trinkets of Satan!

  11. Diane,
    Might I suggest that you read the scriptures before you attempt to interpret them. Yeshua’s mission was NOT to bring ‘all trogether in our common humanity’. His mission was to fulfill the Torah, to come as the Lamb of GOd, as a substiutionary sacrifice for sin. To the Jew first, and then to the Greek. And HE came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel. His message wasn’t LOVE. His message was, and still is; that we are all sinners,in need of a Savior. If you think that He came to bring us together, read Matthew 10:34-36, I’ll share a few words from this portion of scripture, Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
    As to your referencing Israel as an apartheid state; that madam, is a lie.
    The land of Israel belongs to the GOd of Israel. And He gives it to whom ever He chooses, and He chose to give it to the Jews.
    As to the Palestinians, there is no such thing. An ethnic group of people called Palestinians was a lie made up by that Homo, Arafat, who by the way, was Egyptian. The people that now occupy Israel’s land, that they erroniously call Palistine, have a homeland, it’s called Jorden. Have you ever asked yourself why; with all of the Arab lands available through out the middle east, why have NONE of them opened their doors to their ‘Palestinian’ brethern.
    Perhaps you should take your own advice, some quiet contemplation might do you some good. Study both history and the scriptures, prayerfully. Maybe, then you might find as much love for your jewish brethern as you do for the muslims.

    1. Denise
      Peace and greetings
      I do not know if your around still and this is an old post
      Sept 2011
      You site the verses in Matt 10;34-36
      This is in the context of Jesus instructions to the twelve disciples who are named at the beginning of the chapter.They have been given authority to dive out demons,and to heal every disease and sickness. They were instructed specifically to only go to the lost sheep of Israel, not to go among gentiles or any town in Samaria. They were to preach this message”The Kingdom of Heaven is near”
      Heal the sick,raise the dead,cleanse those who have Leprosy,drive out demons. freely you have received,freely give.
      Their mission is confined to the lost sheep of Israel.
      The rest of the chapter explains what they face in the process.
      they will face persecution, they will be rejected. they will be handed over to governors and kings as witnesses to the gentiles.
      Read the rest of the chapter. During this time of their mission
      Brother will betray brother to death,and father his child. (fathers will betray their children. Children will rebel against their parents.
      Jesus tells them not to suppose that I have come to bring peace
      on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
      In the context of these verses The gospel of the kingdom caused
      division among the jewish people. Remember their mission was confined only to the lost sheep of Israel The betrayal and division inJewish families was such that brothers betrayed brothers to death and fathers likewise with their children. Their was little peace in Jewish families where some family members believed in Jesus and those members who did not. Comparison of today would be like a muslim placing faith in Jesus. No peace in that situation. Only betrayal unto death. This is why Jesus told his disciples not to assume their would be peace in the land.
      Context and audience revelance is very important when studying Gods word. Verse 23 says this. …I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes

  12. Dianne V. McGlophlin
    I read your words to Ivar and am moved by them. Eph. chapter 2 by the Apostle Paul. He even says that the mystery of God was that the gospel be preached to the gentile in order that the two (Jew and Gentile) could become one man in Christ. God has destroyed the dividing wall of hostility between the two and through his son Jesus the two can become one in Christ. Now in Christ their is no difference between Jew, Greek, slave, free, barbarian, Scythian, male, or female. All that are in Christ, meaning they have believed in him and have placed their trust in him and the work of atonement
    that he accomplished by being the sin bearer in our place so that we are justified in the eyes of God because the debt for our sin has been paid by the precious shed blood of his son Jesus, and thus we have received circumcision of the heart by God the father and in every true sense of the word we are Israelites. The Israel of God which is not the same as a national Israeli of today. Paul said it himself who was a Hebrew of hebrews: “Not all of Israel are Israel”. To belong to the Israel of God one must be in Christ. Thats the way it was in Paul’s day and thats the way it is today. To think otherwise is false thinking.Together those who were far (Gentiles) and those who were near (Jews) have become one man in Christ. The seed of Abraham is Christ and all who are in Christ are Abrahams seed.
    In the Old testament Abrahams seed were those who put their faith in the comming Messiah and in the New Testament The seed of Abraham is Christ and all those who place their faith in the messiah who has come. God told Abraham that I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. That is a promise made to him by God and it applies to those who are his seed. Paul wrote that the promises were spoken to Abraham and his seed. (Gal.ch.2). Who is his seed? JESUS and all who are in Jesus. In Christ We are all one.
    Israeli, Palestinian, Russian, American, French, Norwegian, Brazilian, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, Canadian and so many others
    To God Be the Glory, Great things he has done

  13. What you propose to do to innocent people is to cast them out. Why is there this distinction of who is more worthy of your love, between Jews and Muslims?

    The Gospel according to Matthew relates a pivotal scene in which Jesus is tested on the Law by one versed in Law saying to Him:

    “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    ‘He said to him:

    “You must love God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.”

    ‘This is the greatest and first commandment. The second, like it, is this:

    “You must love your neighbor as yourself.”

    ‘On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.’

    Mark quotes Christ: “Letting go the commandment of God, YOU hold fast the tradition of men.”

  14. Don’t forget : John Hagee is a Zionist who works together with the freemasons, like Kennet Kopeland (33 degree) ! Freemasonry worship lucifer, how Albert Pike said : ” our god is Lucifer who’s against Adonai ( jesus ), but lucifer will win “! And what about ” two covenant gospel” of John Hagee … jews need not to accept Jesus , because they have a covenant with God through Moses ? And i’d like to ask mr. Hagee, is Jesus , Messiah or not ? Jews are not jews ! Jews are those who are grafted in the olive tree ! The jews were broken off ! ( Ro.1:17, 2f 2:12-13 ) !

  15. The Christian Bible clearly shows in Matthew 23: 37-39 that the Jews have a serious problem–THEY have to declare Jesus as the one who came in God’s name.

    1. Dear Jill.

      Shalom.

      “The Jews’ are very colorful, and have a lot of different views on who the Messiah is. Regardless of what they feel, He loves them. He is the rock of Israel, and the King of Jews.

      It is true that only Jesus is the Son of God, and the Messiah. All who die shall face Him. Broth Jews and gentiles. If you reject Him, you do have a “serious problem”.

    2. The ”Christian Bible says” says….”God will remove the blindness of the Jews when Satan sits in the Throne…then they the Israelites will immediately “SEE” and KNOW that Satan is NOT God and that Jesus Christ ”is” they will repent…they have that promise…YOU and I do not…we are told to Repent and Believe ‘NOW…TODAY”…yet we are also told to ‘pray for Israel and for Jerusalem…and pray for the people that they will come to the Truth…before that dreadful time that they sign the contract for 7 years that will give 3 1/2 years of peace then as Jesus said ”Immediately <~~Immediately after the 3 1/2 years the 'Tribulation will come and will try the entire World…/that's what my Bible says and it's the same as all the others that have been translated before it not of the Mamsy pamsy translations for people who want it in their own way to coddle them and not be so bold…with every "Tom, Dick and Harry and all the TV Evangelists re-writing their own version of the Bible…inserting words that are more acceptable for all ages of ears as well as all people so not to offend any. Amazing that God did not have as much sense as the 20th Century TV and Huge Church Preachers do…they know it all…God help us….God help us….

      1. AMEN and Thank You Andrea! Much more of His Grace and wisdom to you and the rest of His churches. Amen

    3. Jill
      peace and greetings
      Again
      Context of the verses you cited
      He is woe-ing the teachers of the law,pharisees, He calls them blind guides and hypocrites,snakes,vipers,clean on the outside and filthy and corrupt on the inside. these are the Jerusalem that killed the prophets and stoned those who were sent to them. Jesus tried to gather their children,(the Jewish people)together,but they were not willing. He says to them(Pharisees,teachers of the law, snakes vipers hypocrites)
      “You will not see me until you say blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.
      In this context Jerusalem is represented by the pharisees and teachers of the law. In the preceding verses Jesus tells them that
      all the righteous blood from Abel to Zechariah will come on them
      (this generation, the one that John the Baptist called wicked and perversed) To my knowledge in scripture they never said blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord

  16. anastasis says:
    July 24, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    ” In response to your question about how to reach Jewish people, I believe that this is best done by Jewish believers in Jesus who are living Jewish lifestyles and see themselves as part of the Jewish community. ”

    — Does NOT Compute. This must’ve been written by a non-Jew.

    1. Gentiles have been instructed to provoke the Jews to jealousy, not to ignore them. You seldom see a gentile in a Synagogue, which is nuts, they are now, and always have been welcomed.

      Perhaps, it has been the Christian’s dereliction of duty that has brought about all of the powerful end times Jewish Ministries. It is now the Messianic Jew provoking the Christian to jealousy. Queen Esther was told; if she refused to go to Hamen on behalf of her people, that HaShem would choose another, to replace her.

      I can’t speak for all churches, but I can say, MOST of the churches that I have attended are dead. If you have never worshiped at a Messianic Synagogue, then make it a point to attend one. If you want to experience the presence of GOD, then go! It’s awesome! Worshiping GOD should be an awesome spiritual experience, filled with inexpressible joy. Besides, these houses of worship are the fulfillment of biblical end times prophecy, “Jew and Gentile worshiping together as one new man.”

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