Bible studies # 37: Rather be thrown into fire than to bow down to images

Three Jews in Babylon would rather die than to bow down and worship an image of gold.

Bowing down to images is a sin, punishable with eternal death in Hell.

The Second Commandment do not permit the Jews and Messianic Christians to make an image of anything in the likeness of created things. If the Messiah would permit such images to be made, even of Him self, He would have become a law breaker and a sinner.

The best example in the Bible of obedience to the second commandment, is the three Jews in exile in Babylon. They told the King, that they would rather die than to worship an image of Gold, a statue 90 feet high.

Daniel: 3: 12.

But there are some Jews whom you have set over the affairs of the province of Babylon—Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego—who pay no attention to you, O king. They neither serve your gods nor worship the image of gold you have set up.”

Daniel 3:15:


But if you do not worship it, you will be thrown immediately into a blazing furnace. Then what god will be able to rescue you from my hand?”

The three Jews gave an answer, than anyone who is faithful to God of the Bible should give:

The Catholic Church has set up an image of the Pope, they call «The Holy Father».

Daniel 3:16

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego replied to the king,


«O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you in this matter. If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God we serve is able to save us from it, and he will rescue us from your hand, O king. But even if he does not, we want you to know, O king, that we will not serve your gods or worship the image of gold you have set up»

These three Jews were thrown into the flames. In the fire is self, they were rescued. And their savior was a man that looked like a son of the God`s.

Daniel 3:25
He said, “Look! I see four men walking around in the fire, unbound and unharmed, and the fourth looks like a son of the gods.”

This forth man who obviously the Messiah, the Son of God. Not yet to appear to us in flesh, dwelling among us as the Son of man.

Did Jesus permit images and statues to be made when He walked on Earth, even claiming to be of Him?

There is not a single verse in the New Testament that opens up for such law-breaking activities. Jesus could have said: « Make an image of me, do some paintings of me, or build a statue of me».

Such images and statues were only permitted within «Christianity» after Rome took over the control of the Western Church. Only after 315 A.D, Papal man made rules started to replace the Word of God.

May be not an image of gold. But surely a huge babylonian one.


Matthew 6:6

But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

Jesus the Messiah defends the law. Simply because He is the lawgiver. Rome has changed both the law and the Gospel.

Gen: 20:4


You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.


Acts 17:16

While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols.

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  3. PROPOSITION: Is Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone) a reasonable method for understanding Christian orthodoxy? Let’s examine the facts:

    FACT: There is nothing in Scripture teaching that “Scripture alone” is all-sufficient for the Christian Faith.

    FACT: There is something in Scripture advocating reliance on both Scripture as well as oral Tradition (2 Thess 2:15, Phil 4:9, 1 Corinth 11:2, 2 Thess 3:6).

    FACT: There is nothing in Scripture suggesting that a time will come when this dual expression of Christian truth (Scripture and oral Tradition) will come to an end.

    FACT: There is also nothing in Scripture determining a Divinely-selected list of inspired books (i.e., the present New Testament canon).

    FACT: There is also no statement within any of these New Testament books claiming that these books are Divinely-inspired. This becomes especially significant when one cites references to Divine revelation in the present New Testament books (e.g. Ephesians 3:3), since many of the Christian writings excluded from the New Testament canon also contain such references to Divine inspiration (e.g., The Apocalypse of Peter, the Protoevangelium of James, etc).

    FACT: The present canon of the New Testament was not determined until the year 397 A.D. at the Council of Carthage. …And by a Church which clearly accepted both Scripture and oral Tradition as the rule of Faith.

    FACT: Examples of this oral Tradition can be documented as early as A.D. 90 –a time when many of those who knew Christ (including the Apostle John) were still alive.

    This documentation is to be found in 1 Clement to the Corinthians –a non-canonical epistle, which was considered to be Divinely-inspired by numerous Church fathers and many city-churches (esp. Corinth itself) until it was excluded from the New Testament in 397 A.D..

    FACT: Three of these oral Traditions documented in 1 Clement are: 1. Peter and Paul’s ministries in Rome; 2. Apostolic succession; and 3. the Eucharist as a Sacrifice.

    1. On Peter and Paul in Rome, 1 Clement 5:1 reads:

    “Consider the noble examples of our own generation. Through jealousy and envy, the greatest and most righteous pillars (Peter and Paul) were persecuted, and they persevered even to death. Let us set before our eyes the good Apostles: Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labors and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him. Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects.”

    1. Dear Henry.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      FACT: There is nothing in Scripture teaching that “Scripture alone” is all-sufficient for the Christian Faith.

      My reply:

      You can do with Harry Potter also. But Christians will be faithful to the Word of God. “Scriptures alone” leaves out Harry Potter, demonic inspired papal doctrines, and all kinds of trash.

  4. That is a very bad logic to use! “Word” in Holy Scripture often refers to a proclaimed, oral teaching of prophets or apostles. What the prophets spoke was the word of God regardless of whether or not their utterances were recorded later as written Scripture. So for example, we read in Jeremiah:

    “For twenty-three years . . . the word of the Lord has come to me and I have spoken to you again and again . . . ‘But you did not listen to me,’ declares the Lord. . . . Therefore the Lord Almighty says this: ‘Because you have not listened to my words. . . .’” (Jer. 25:3, 7-8 [NIV]).

    This was the word of God even though some of it was not recorded in writing. It had equal authority as writing or proclamation-never-reduced-to-writing. This was true also of apostolic preaching. When the phrases “word of God” or “word of the Lord” appear in Acts and the epistles, they almost always refer to oral preaching, not to Scripture. For example:

    “When you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God” (1 Thess. 2:13).

    If we compare this passage with another, written to the same church, Paul appears to regard oral teaching and the word of God as synonymous:

    “Keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us” (2 Thess. 3:6).

    Protestants often quote the verses in the Bible where corrupt traditions of men are condemned (e.g., Matt. 15:2–6; Mark 7:8–13; Col. 2:8). Of course, Catholics agree with this. But it’s not the whole truth. True, apostolic Tradition also is endorsed positively. This Tradition is in total harmony with and consistent with Scripture.

  5. True Apostolic tradition will never contradict the Bible. There are some tradtions that are called Apostolic but actually they are those traditions of men that are at variance with the Bible.

    1. That does not make since Dave!!??

      If the Bible is the complete authority to your faith, and if there is no authority outside of the Bible, then who had the authority to determine what books were to be in the Bible?

      Why do you accept the Bible as the absolute truth but reject the teachings of her who composed it? If CC cannot be trusted in small things, why do you trust the Bible she constructed, which is after all, started as just a collection of Catholic Documents?

      The Bible, which is part of our Catholic heritage, uses the word “Tradition” in a positive sense in II Thessalonians 2:14, where Saint Paul urges them to hold fast to all the Traditions, whether they came by word of mouth or by letter, and when he praises the Corinthians in I Corinthians 11:1, or the Thessalonians in II Thessalonians 3:6, for holding fast to Tradition.

      So the Bible itself testifies that what Jesus and the Apostles taught was handed down in two ways – in a written way in the Bible, and in an oral way, PRIOR TO the Bible being written. Both of these ways, in fact, are Tradition. The Bible was constructed under the guidance of God, and started as a collection of documents inspired by God and written by Christains who believed in Jesus Christ and salvation through Him

      1. It seems that your catholic faith has twisted not only your words into not making sense, but it also blocks the truth from you.

        The Word is inspired by the Holy Spirit which is God. It boils down to the fact that it isn’t Mary who died for your sins. She was a sinner like all of us.

        It is Jesus Christ that saves, Jesus Christ who died on the cross, and unless you leave all of these demonic ways the catholic church lead you too, it is your soul that will perish.

        It is the truth. Only Christ can save you, not pope, not Mary, and not man.

        Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

      2. Dear Henry

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Why do you accept the Bible as the absolute truth but reject the teachings of her who composed it?

        My comment:

        This is a classic statement from priests and clergy confessing faith in the Catholic religion. You all make a mockery out of God’s instruction to man.

        The Bible is not a product of the Church. The Bible is a Jewish book, that pre-dates the Church by more than 1.000 years. God of Israel reveled to Moses the divine instructions. Moses was not from Rome. He knew no “pope”. The Jewish rabbi’s have correctly branded the Roman Catholic religion as a faith of idol worshipers. Jews shall not and will not accept the falsehood promoted by the Vatican.

        Jesus the Messiah is a Jew. Everything about Him is Jewish. He is the author of the law of Moses, all prophecies in the Old Testament, and the New Testament.

        I tens of thousands, Jews were forced to convert to the Catholic religion during the inquisitions. Those who refused to be God mocker;s were burnt at stake.

        Stay away from this wicked and perverted version of the truth. Rome makes the Word of God null and void by their human made arguments and traditions.

        Let the Word of God found in the Bible be the eternal truth, and all men liars.

  6. To Gloria

    How can i be twisting the truth??? Or how is the Catholic Church twisting the faith? It is not! And how you say Mary is a Sinner because if you say she is a sinner then Jesus Christ is sinner….is that what you are saying!!! Have you for got the Adam’s Original Sin??? How can you attack the very Mother of Jesus like that!?!?!

    If a person is walking along and falls into a deep hole and a man throws a rope down the hole and pulls that person out -he has saved that person. If another person is walking along and the same man warns the person of the hole and the person avoids falling into the hole is the man not also the second person’s savior as well?

    We were saved by Jesus after we “fell into the hole”, Mary was saved before she could “fall into the hole” she still needed a Savior in order for her to not “fall into the hole”.

    We don’t claim that Mary saved herself, or that she was able to enter heaven without God’s action. We simply claim (or rather, we simply accept and pass on the revelation given by God) that God made her perfect, without sin, at the moment of her conception.

    BTW, don’t babies who die without any personal sin also need a savior? Mary’s immaculate conception doesn’t mean that Mary “didn’t need a savior.” On the contrary, immaculate conception means that Mary was saved by Jesus in a special way: in advance. Notice that Luke 1:47 shows Mary saying that Jesus already is her savior.

    Jesus was not part God or part human. He was fully God and fully Human…..Fully divine and fully human! Do you believe in Luke 1:37, “For with God nothing is impossible.” When God made Adam and Eve, he made them sinless. Why is it hard to believe that Mary was born sinless? Remember, we are freed(cleansed) of original sin at our baptism, while Mary was presevered from it at her conception. But, in both cases, it is Jesus who is the Savior. Mary had every opportunity to sin in her life time, but she was more faithful and understood what God had planned.

  7. To Ivarfjeld

    You do know there was no Bible until the 4th century when it was canonized finally. The Bible is based on oral traditions pass on mouth to mouth and even the Torah or fully the Tanak……asked a Jewish scholar!!??

    In addition, a quick example of tradition……the Bible teaches that there IS God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible also says that God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit form the “Holy Trinity.” NoWHERE in the Bible can you find the word TRINITY and yet ALL CHRISTIANS, Catholics AND Protestants alike, believe in the Holy Trinity. Can you explain this????

    Rejecting Tradition for the Bible Alone (or Sola Scriptura) is not taught anywhere in the Bible. In the Second Letter of St. Paul to the Thessalonians, Scripture points out to an authoritative Church and tradition: “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, either by word or by epistle” (2 Thess 2:15).

    This is the clearest Biblical support for oral tradition. This passage is significant in that it shows the existence of living tradition within the Apostolic teaching; that believers are firmly grounded in Faith by adhering to these traditions

    1. Dear Henry

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      You do know there was no Bible until the 4th century when it was canonized finally.

      My comment:

      A lie can never become the truth. Even if a Roman Catholic have told this lie a million times. This kind of comments are anti-Jewish, and pure non sense.

      What do you think Jews used in Synagogues, 500 years before there was a “Pope” and a Roman Catholic Church?

      Which scriptures were Jesus quoting from in the Synagogues?

      Jesus is not a “papal” invention that needed to be formed in Church councils in 325 A.D onwards. In 400-500 A.D, Rome slowly invented their own religion, and put an anti-Jewish copy of “Jesus” in its center.

      Everything Jewish was forbidden. Jews who did not convert to the Catholic religion were persecuted, crippled and many burnt at stake. Today, there is hardly any Roman Catholic who have a clue about the Jewish roots of our faith, and all the Jewish festivals that Jesus the Messiah was celebrating. All have been deleted by the Vatican, and replaced by paganism in various forms.

      Let me quote from Wikipedia:

      Rabbinic Judaism recognizes the 24 books of the Masoretic Text, commonly called the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible, as authoritative. Evidence suggests that the process of canonization occurred between 200 BCE and 200 CE.

      (end of quote).

      There is no truth in what the Vatican has done. The Papacy have not only falsified the history of the Bible. The Papacy also banned people from having Bibles in their homes, for most of the Middle Ages. The Vatican also changed the scriptures, and added books that promotes witchcraft to the Catholic Bible.

      The Pope have made you a son of Hell, who are sent to this blog to promoted lies and falsehood.

  8. How am I promoting lies and false??? You cannot judge the my state soul, not even that of another person, friend, child or spouse. Only God has the final say and Judgement about my state soul. And you avoided my question???

    I ask again!!!!

    The Bible teaches that there IS God the Father, God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible also says that God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit form the “Holy Trinity.” Three distinct persons, but one in being! NO WHERE in the Bible can you find the word TRINITY and yet ALL CHRISTIANS, Catholics AND Protestants alike, believe in the Holy Trinity. Can you explain this???? If you can not answer this Question……then how do know you are teaching the TRUTH????

    And how you trust Wikipedia??? That is not a reliable source!! The creators of Wikipedia are the first to admit that not every entry is accurate and that it might not be the best source of material for research papers. Anybody is able to access the source to add, erase. or edit any information. Almost College and University student who do research papers are not allowed to use Wikipedia net as a reliable source of information!

    Until I have read and see a reliable source about the Sacred Scripture being a book before the Church canonization it in the 4th century by the Church Councils….I can’t trust your source of information!

    1. Dear Henry.

      Shalom.

      Do you know that there is a religion named Judaism, that predates the Catholic Religion by 1500 years?

      Have you ever been in a synagogue?

      Do you know what they do inside a synagogue?

      Do you know that they read from the Hebrew Bible, formed like a Torah scroll?

      In regards to the “Trinity”, the three godhead’s appear in a single verse of the Bible. The Father spoke from Heaven, The Holy Spirit manifested it self in the form of a dove, and the Son was baptized.

      The Trinity is also explained in the Tannak.

      Isaiah 9:6
      For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

      That we use the word “Trinity”, is a bid to explain that God is One. Three in One, always in agreement. God can not start to fight each other. In Genesis, the Bible says “let us”. This was not a 2 against 1 vote of confidence. They had no disagreement about doing the right thing.

    2. No, Apostolics/ Pentecostals, do not acknowlegde the trinity.Only one place in the bible that states “father, son and holy ghost” and that is where Jesus said in Mathew 28: 19 ” Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the the Holy Ghost.He said the name, not titles and those are titles, right? So if you look at Acts 2:38 we learn that we are to be Baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, not titles. Jesus said “when you have seen me, you have seen the father”. In John 1:1 it reads ” In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS God.” If you continue on down through this chapter, you will see that it reads ” and the word was made FLESH and dwelt among us”. Jesus was God in the flesh. It is important to study the word of God and allow Him to make the truth known to you. I could show you so many scriptures that shows you that this is true. Read and PRAY, don’t debate, just ask God to show you the Truth, and we know what the truth does…it will set us free. God Bless You!!!

  9. Yes!!! I have been to synagogue because I was once Jewish now Catholic for sometime!!!!!

    But the word “Torah” is a tricky title or term, because it can mean different things in different contexts. In its most limited sense, “Torah or Instructions or Law” refers to the Five Books of Moses: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy. But the word “torah” can also be used to refer to the entire Jewish bible (the body of scripture known to non-Jews as the Old Testament and to Jews as the “Tanakh or Written Torah” or finalized writing), or in its broadest sense, to the whole body of Jewish law and teachings. The TaNaK which a abbreviation for the Jewish word or Oral tradition place on paper and finalized by the Council of Jamia in 90 AD. T=Torah (law or Instruction), N=Neviim (Prophets), K=Kethuvim (Other Writings, like Psalms).

    In addition to the written scriptures we have an “Oral Torah or Talmud,” a tradition explaining what the above scriptures mean and how to interpret them and apply the Laws and to practice traditions. Orthodox Jews believe God taught the Oral Torah to Moses, and he taught it to others, down to the present day. This tradition was maintained only in oral form until about the 2nd-3th century AD., when the oral law was compiled and written down in a document called the Mishnah much later than the TaNaK.

    Anyway, you sort of answered my question, but not completely! The Word TRINITY is not found or written in the Bible…..why do we accept it??? Maybe out of TRADITION????

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