Bible studies # 28: Jesus loves the family of Hagar and Ishmael

The Messiah loves all Muslims, sons and daughters of Hagar and Ishmael. But the false prophet Mohammad has kept them away from the blood of Jesus God the Son, the blood that can save them.

Only Jesus the Messiah can bring true peace between them.

God of the Bible promised the patriarch Abraham a son with his wife Sara. When that son did not come as Abraham expected, Abraham went and slept with his Egyptian maid Hagar. They got a son named Ishmael, a son being born by the sin of not trusting God.

Later Sara gave birth to Isaac, the son of the promise God of the Bible had given.

The birth of Ishmael gave birth to the Arabs, and Isaac gave birth to the Jews.

Today, the children of Ishmael and Isaac is fighting. Muslims and jews.

Why do they do that. They are all relatives of two half-brother?

The answer is the work of the prophet Muhammad. It the Koran there in no promised land given to the sons and daughters of Isaac. The Koran states that the promised land was given to the son of Abraham, understood by the tradition of Islam to be Ishmael.

So when Muhammad have deleted the promises to Isaac, he becomes a liar and an enemy of God of the Bible. And this lie has resulted in Islam becoming a violent religion in regards to the Jewish people, trying to use force to get rid of the Zionist state of Israel.

So, what is the solution?

There is only One that can bring peace between the sons and daughters of Isaac and the relatives of Ishmael. And that is the Messiah. In Him, they are all One. We are all one people. Only God the Son, Jesus of Nazareth, «The price of peace» will be able to settle this issue.

Jesus loves Hagar and Ishmael, and will stand with the wonderful promises our God in Heaven gave them. Just listen to this:

Genesis 17:19-21

Then God said, “Yes, but your wife Sarah will bear you a son, and you will call him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year.”

Genesis 21:16-18

Then she went off and sat down nearby, about a bowshot away, for she thought, “I cannot watch the boy die.” And as she sat there nearby, she began to sob.

God heard the boy crying, and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter, Hagar? Do not be afraid; God has heard the boy crying as he lies there. Lift the boy up and take him by the hand, for I will make him into a great nation.”

Genesis 25:16

These were the sons of Ishmael, and these are the names of the twelve tribal rulers according to their settlements and camps.

The Sons and daughters of Hagar has fallen for the lies of Islam, and needs to repent. The family of Ishmael is surely a hard nut to crack, because of his hostile nature:

Genesis 16:11-13

The angel of the LORD also said to her:
“You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.”

She gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.”

Look at all the violence within Islam today, and you will have to acknowledge that God of the Bible has spoken the truth. To get saved, Muslims have to turn their back towards the false prophet Muhammad and surrender to Jesus of Nazareth.

54 thoughts on “Bible studies # 28: Jesus loves the family of Hagar and Ishmael

  1. Clearly you don’t know anything about Islam and still you’re publishing these nonsense about Islam. Get your facts right before making any judgements and publishing/saying stupid things like your article above.

    May Allah (God) guide you to the right path, for He is the only one Who can. Ameen.

    1. Dear Muslima.

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You might know more about Islam than me. But what I do know, is that kissing a black stone in Mecca do not cleanse a man from his sins. Neither do reading the Koran. There is more than 140 Jihad verses in the Koran, that tells the followers of Muhammad to cripple and kill non-Muslims. People like Osama in Laden believe this is the truth, and so do thousands of Islamic terrorists.

  2. Muslima,

    It is very said to see Muslims follow such a lie from Satan himself. I pray that Jesus Christ touches your heart, so you can see the truth.

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

  3. prophet jesus (peace be up on us) is slave of allah .and true prophet MUHAMADH (peace be up on us) FINAL AND HEAD OF ALL PROPHET. YOU ARE FRAUD

    1. abdulsamadh,

      Jesus Christ is God (John 10:30)

      And your Mohammed may have thought he was in his “mind”, but he was like all of us.

      This lie Mohammed and satan created is unfortunately a big one, in that so many people believe it.

      But while there is still breath in you, you can repent.

      Luke 13:3
      No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish

  4. Shalom ivarfjeld ,

    Rich words coming out of some one who does the same and more:

    1- Kissing the stone does not wipe yor sin as much as kissing the Wailing wall does not wipe or answer your sins & prayers. It is the prayer and intention.

    2- Your Bible is full of Genocide under the hands of Moses not sparing a child,pregnanyt woman, old young Jihad ( if you read the whole verse rather than 1/2 , sates clearly that it is done in self defence. More Jews have lost their lives under fellow Jews than any time or one in History. Not forgetting killing their prophets !

    3- Bin Laden is part Jew like Quadafi is, and it takes one with that blood to do such things.

    Shalom

    1. Dear Vixi

      Shalom, and welcome to this site.

      You wrote:

      Your Bible is full of Genocide under the hands of Moses not sparing a child, pregnant woman, old young Jihad.

      My reply:

      It is true that God of the Most High is a mass murderer, if He chose so. So you better not make Him your enemy.

      God of the Bible will eventually send billions of people to Hell, many of them traveling on first class. Do not become one of them.

      To save people like You, Jesus the Messiah paid for you sins with his own blood. He is the Lamb of God, King Messiah that was promised. He will come back as the final judge, ruling as the Lion of Judah.

  5. Gloria Oh Gloria:

    all your man made quotes are nothing but Human errors, lies and lies. Which one of your hundreds of Bibles are you quoting from ?

    Mahammad’s name is riddled in your hidden Bibles, also the prophecy of the new religion,new book,new land and new man from the seed of KEDAR ( Ishmaels’ son).

    Quran has been as it is with no omitted copies inlike your book of BABBLES.

    Your own books speak of the lies of human scribes:

    ( Jeremiah 8:8,10) ‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?.8… prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

    ( Isiah 28: & 8 ) 7But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment. 8For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

    Deuteronomy 31:29) Moses speaking “For I know that after my death you will become utterly corrupt…because you will do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.”.

    St. Gregory, 4th century Bishop of Nazianzus, wrote: “A little jargon is all that is necessary to impose on the people. The less they comprehend, the more they admire.”

    PEACE

    1. Vixi,

      Your Comment: all your man made quotes are nothing but Human errors, lies and lies.

      My Comment: It seems that I have quoted this alot today, and I will tell you the same.

      John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”

      Whether you believe it or not, does not make it any less true. I have been in the presence of Jesus Christ, and let me tell you the love I felt he had for me, surpassed anything on this earth.

      Your Comment: ( Jeremiah 8:8,10) ‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?.8… prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

      My Comment: You are a prime example of a person who loves to twist the Word of God to suit their own needs. I’d be very careful if I were you, because we all will have to answer to Jesus Christ soon.

      For your information: The “lying pens of the scribes” means that the scribes wrote misinterpretations of the Law and not actually altered the text of the Law.

      Kind of like how you are misinterpretating God’s Word to suit your need.

      Again, I quote God’s Word and this goes for everyone who is still living on Earth.

      John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”

      God Bless.

  6. Gloria, i presume that yoy beleive God created the universe…if so where was he before he created it ?

    These sort of question are not l;ogic to the atriutes of God. Like asking is a chair cleaver or not ? some questions attributed to certain things , just cannot apply.

    Does God die ? and if so who was taking care of all the dead peope answering their prayers ??

    Better who was jesus praying to is he was God ??

    Shalom

    1. Dear Vixi.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      Gloria, i presume that you believe God created the universe…if so where was he before he created it ?

      My reply:

      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      This is the first line of the Gospel of John, in the New Testament. The Word is eternal. Not the universe. God is the eternal Word. IS, not created.

      The logic of man can not understand the concept of eternity. Jesus the Messiah is the only gate to eternity. In Him, you will spend eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven. Without him, you will, either you believe it or not, spend eternity in Hell.

      Please chose wisely.

    2. Amen Ivar!

      Vixi, pick up the Bible (Holy Word of God) for your answers.

      John 10:30 says: I and the father are one.

      That is coming right from the mouth of Jesus Christ.

  7. Ivar
    I am just wondering if it is worth discussing anything ith you as youn like the other 2.5 billion Christians read infront of their eyes from their Bible…YET deny !…Also practice Hypocracy & double standard, as you just did now :

    1- you: said “It is true that God of the Most High is a mass murderer, if He chose so ….”

    me: so admitted that the Bible is full of Jihad & Gemocide by God’s order ( and i do too), yet you critisized Islam for Jihad !!!am i missing something here.

    2- Jesus did not pay for anyone’s sins cause the Bible says GOD SAVED HIM FROM THE ENEMIE’S HANDS. Surley God can save his on life. Or even better who was looking after the world while he as dead ???

    Here is the other side of the Bible concerning his pressumed crucifixtion :

    (1Cornithian 1: 23) but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles .( Any cause of stumbling, perplexity, or error.)

    ( Psalms 34: 19-20) Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.

    Luke 4:10-12
    He will order his angels to protect and guard you.
    11 And they will hold you up with their hands so you won’t even hurt your foot on a stone.’”

    palms 91:14)”Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

    (Psalm 18:3)… (3) I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and I am saved from my enemies.

    Jesus according to the Bible never anted to die for himself or anyone, he begged and prayed to God to save him…& he did as stated above

    3- Jesus is A WAY to God’s kingdome, but not the only way as it states clearky here :

    John 14:2 (King James Version)
    In my Father’s house are MANY mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare A PLACE for you. ( notice many not one for the Chritians onlyt, also he as going to prepare ONE place not all the places.

    peace

    1. Vixi

      Your comment: Jesus according to the Bible never anted to die for himself or anyone, he begged and prayed to God to save him…& he did as stated above

      My comment: That is probably one of the craziest statements I’ve ever read. It is an outright lie.

      Jesus Christ knew what he was doing, when he died for our sins. He did not beg God to save him. You really must read the bible to understand the truth.

      First Jesus says in John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

      Second read this: John 5:19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. **READ THAT AGAIN**

      Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life no one comes to the Father, but through Me (John 14:6)

      2 Corinthians 5:21 (Here God is speaking about Jesus) God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

      But to understand all this, you must believe and understand that God was manifested in the flesh.
      That is why Jesus says in John 10:30: I and the Father are one.

      1 Timothy 3:16 – And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

    2. Dear Vixi.

      Shalom, and thanks for replying to my message.

      You wrote:

      So admitted that the Bible is full of Jihad & Genocide by God’s order ( and i do too), yet you critiized Islam for Jihad !!!am i missing something here.

      My reply:

      God of the Bible is a mass murderer, and since you quote the Torah and the Tannakh I am surprised that you do not fully agree with me. Because you can not present the solution.

      The truth is that non of us deserve to be saved, but will be sent to Hell as wicked sinners. The good News is that Jesus the Messiah took the death penalty we deserve. He ended the “Jihad”, and told us to bless our enemies.

      Since many people do not believe in Jesus, they miss out this point. That through the shedding of the blood of the Lamb of God, the Messiah ended the call to bloodshed. Once and for all.

      The penalty for our sins are still eternal death in Hell. But since there is salvation in the name of the Jewish Messiah from Nazareth, also you can be saved from the coming wrath of God.

      The Jewish Messiah Jesus has saved me.

  8. Gloria

    1- you said:
    John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins….

    me:
    i thought Jesus already paid for our sins ( which i do not beleive).

    2- you said about the verse i posted FROM the Bible ,Jeremiah 8:8,10):

    You are a prime example of a person who loves to twist the Word of God to suit their own needs….

    then you said:
    … The “lying pens of the scribes” means that the scribes wrote misinterpretations of the Law and not actually altered the text of the Law.

    Kind of like how you are misinterpretating God’s Word to suit your need.

    Me:
    I posted the verse AS IT IS Gloria. I changed nothing in it as you also decitfully claim, if not then please post the correct one.

    Then you said the “lying pens” is a mistranslation…even though there are 3 more words supporting the “lying pens” and they are ” false & decite”…are they mistranslations too ??

    And even if it is a mistranslation, then you are confirming that the Bible cannot be all trusted, because mistranslations change the true meaning and intensions. So hy did they not correct it ?

    the fact my dear, the Bible of today is all corrupt with different dominations omitting ,& adding what they want and blame others.

    peace , try searching for an Aramaic or visit the Vatican and ask the pope to bring out hat he is hiding

    1. Vixi,

      John 8:24 says: I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

      It means that if you do not believe that Jesus Christ is Our Lord and Savior, and if you do not accept him that he died on the cross and paid the penalty for our sins, and resurrected and repent from your sins, you will die in your sins.

      Regarding Jeremiah 8:8-10 what did I misinterpret? You gave your own meaning and you said- these are your own words: regarding Jeremiah 8:8,10) Your own books speak of the lies of human scribes.

      Now Jeremiah 8:8-10 reads:
      8:8 How can you say, “We are wise!
      We have the law of the Lord”?
      The truth is, those who teach it have used their writings to make it say what it does not really mean. 8:9 Your wise men will be put to shame.
      They will be dumbfounded and be brought to judgment. Since they have rejected the word of the Lord,what wisdom do they really have? 8:10 So I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. For from the least important to the most important of them, all of them are greedy for dishonest gain. Prophets and priests alike,all practice deceit.

      And this was my response to you Vixi: For your information: The “lying pens of the scribes” means that the scribes wrote misinterpretations of the Law and not actually altered the text of the Law.

      I told you what the “lying pens of the scribes meant.” Again, what twisting of words did I give?

      Vixi, the Bible is the Holy Word of God, and if you do not believe in his Word, then you will not be with him for eternity. It’s as simple as that.

      Like I said, I have been in the presence of Christ and there is nothing on this earth, that can compare to being in the presence, of perfection, love, holiness. So no, I will not visit the pope or any aramaic suggestion you have.

      All I need is JESUS CHRIST.

      God Bless.

      Again how is it that I twisted the Word of God? What I did was tell you what the verse meant.

    2. Dear Vixi.

      Shalom, and welcome back.

      You wrote:

      1- you said:
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins….
      me:
i thought Jesus already paid for our sins ( which i do not beleive).

      My comment:

      Please quote the full verse, to get the complete meaning:

      John 8:24
      I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”

      Your comment is to the point what the New testament message is all about:

      Since you wrote:

      me:
i thought Jesus already paid for our sins ( which i do not beleive).

      ….You are the person Jesus is trying to reach….

  9. Ivar & Gloria,

    Long time…why do you keep saying Jesus died for our sins, when some of us were not even going to be born till after about 2000 yrs ?

    If you say God knows we are going to be what we are, then there was no need to die for some one God wants them to be so.

    Jeus would not pray to be saved if he knew and wanted to scrifice him self for us.

    Seeing he is God then who was he asking to save him ? these days anyone climes he is talking to himself and doing such claimes will be considered with double personality, and Jesus is clear of such things

    1. Hello Vixi:

      When Jesus died on the cross and resurrected, he died for the sins of the past and sins of the future, for all those that repent, and believe in him, so we could have eternal life with him.

      (1 Timothy 2:5)“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …”

      Your Comment: Jeus would not pray to be saved if he knew and wanted to scrifice him self for us.

      My Comment: Jesus died on the cross for all sins, in hope that we come to repentence and accept him.

      Your Comment: Seeing he is God then who was he asking to save him ?

      My Comment: What are you asking? If you are asking why he said on the cross, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

      The answer is here:

      Isaiah 53:4–5
      4 Surely he took up our infirmities

      and carried our sorrows,

      yet we considered him stricken by God,

      smitten by him, and afflicted.

      5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,

      he was crushed for our iniquities;

      the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,

      and by his wounds we are healed.

      1. //Isaiah 53:4–5
        4 Surely he took up our infirmities

        and carried our sorrows,

        yet we considered him stricken by God,

        smitten by him, and afflicted.

        5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,

        he was crushed for our iniquities;

        the punishment that brought us peace was upon him,

        and by his wounds we are healed.//

        Gloria you are quoting Isiah that was suposed to have prophesised the Crucifiction….Well you shot yourself in the foot again, cause there are many points about this supposed man that Isiah is speaking off which contradicts to what Christians beleive happened to jesus :

        1- (Isiah 52: 14-15)Just as there were many who were APPAULED at him his APPEARANCE was so DISFIGURED beyond that of any man, and his form marred beyond HUMAN LIKENESS….”

        ( first of all new test does not say he was unrecognised or beyong human likeness. this man whom many beleive to be Jesus was supposed to have been unrecognized when taken to be crucified.So people could not be sure it was him.It could have been JUDAS who mysteriously vanished just after the supposed arrest of Jesus, never to be seen)

        2-In the Hebrew(Isaiah 53:8)it says that Jesus will be thrown in jail ( he was not). It is a dilebrate mistranslation of the English translations which translate it as “he will be cut off from the land of the living (i.e., he will die)” .

        Notice no crucifiction or resuruction were never prophesised in the Old test, but there is lots of prophecies about him being saved !

        a- Christ will be saved and protected by the Angels from death and sorrow,then he will observe with his own eyes the punishment of the crucified ones (Psalm 91:8).( He sat there looking down at the man who took his place on the cross..maybe Judas ! he fits the wicked discription.

        This also backed by the appocalypse of peter that was discovered in Egypt, Jesus sat on the tree and watched the crucified one getting crucified. Peter witnessed this and wrote the Apocalypse.

        b- (palms 91:14)”Because he loves me,” says the LORD, “I will rescue him; I will protect him, for he acknowledges my name.

        c- ( psalms 50:15) He will call upon me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him. ( Jesus did call upon God to save him as we proved it earlier with verses, and here it says God answerd him and saved him.

        d- Psalm 18:3
        I call to the LORD, who is worthy of praise, and I am saved from my enemies

  10. Gloria, you seem to be answering like a programed robut, just answer what you have and know.

    //John 8:24 says: I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” //

    this verse tell you nothing about him being God, crucifiction, sins, or resuruction. Infact the oldest Gospel of Mark written during the lifetime of his family, does not mention any of them, neither him as God.But it does speak of a groupof Christians corrupting the true message of God….wonder who they are !!?

    Gloria this is and not my words , but as it is from the Bible : ( Jeremiah 8:8,10) ‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?.8… prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

    Now please tell me what other meaning does lying & falsely & deciet mean…not opinion just facts please.

    //Now Jeremiah 8:8-10 reads:
    8:8 How can you say, “We are wise!
    We have the law of the Lord”?
    The truth is, those who teach it have used their writings to make it say what it does not really mean. 8:9 Your wise men will be put to shame.
    They will be dumbfounded and be brought to judgment. Since they have rejected the word of the Lord,what wisdom do they really have? 8:10 So I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. For from the least important to the most important of them, all of them are greedy for dishonest gain. Prophets and priests alike,all practice deceit.//

    Lool Gloria, please do not send me your imaginary interpritation. Now please quote your Bible source, to you hilarious explination of wives and land.

    //And this was my response to you Vixi: For your information: The “lying pens of the scribes” means that the scribes wrote misinterpretations of the Law and not actually altered the text of the Law.//

    My God sinse when does “LYING ” means misinterpritation. Shpw me your English dictionary. I have mine but i cannot see it. Dear Gloria if you cannot tell the difference between lies and misinterpritation,you are a sad news to Christianity & kids.

    Because of people like you Gloria, many are running away from the Bible and taking Christ with them. He needs to come soon to teach you the difference between LIES & un intentional translation

    1. Vixi,

      You said: Gloria, you seem to be answering like a programed robut, just answer what you have and know.

      My Comment: If I sound like a programmed robot to you, I am okay with that, as long as I’m saved by the blood of Jesus Christ, who died for both you and me.

      Your Comment: Gloria this is and not my words , but as it is from the Bible : ( Jeremiah 8:8,10) ‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?.8… prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit.

      My Comment: I will not go merry go round with you. What I have said in my comment November 28, 2010 at 9:35 pm and in December exactly what the Word of God means by “lying pen of scribes” and it still stands. You just choose to be blind to what Jesus tell us.

      Your Comment: Because of people like you Gloria, many are running away from the Bible and taking Christ with them. He needs to come soon to teach you the difference between LIES & un intentional translation

      My Comment: I disagree with you. I come to speak about the Word of Christ, and God knows my heart. You don’t. And Christ is coming soon, and the Bible tells in Romans 14:11 It is written: “‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.'”

      That includes me and you too. All Glory always to Our Savior Jesus Christ.

  11. //Please quote the full verse, to get the complete meaning:

    John 8:24
    I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.”//

    Ivarfield, you completed the verse…And it still says, “people- will- die- for- their- own- sins”. What other meaning does this have?. If some one tells you are going to pay for your own mistakes, crime…etc, that means YOU not you neighbour.

    Thank you Christ is with me but not in those corrupt Books.

    I did not say i do not agree with God’s judgment of when he decides to kill aperson or a people, but my point is when your Books condone such actions, why are you critisizing Islam for the same thing…you are sounding like America and it’s double standard that is killing the world

    1. Vixi,

      The Holy Bible is the complete Word of God, and if you do not believe in his Word, then how can you possibly believe in him?

      Islam is a lie created by the devil. Allah is a lie. And if you cannot see that, then you are doomed to eternal suffering. It is in God’s word. We all have a short time in this world, and I pray to Christ you start believing real soon!

      John 1:1
      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      1. Gloria this is your stumbeling block and foolishness, the fact that you know what falsifying and deciet mean yet trying to invent a new dictionary is a joke.

        Now please tell me what does False and deciet mean ??

        Also what do you understand of this:

        ‘Mulsims say they have the true word of God” when actually the lying pen of their scribes has handled it falsely prophets and mullas alike, all practice deceit.

      2. Vixi,

        What lie are you using by replacing the Word of God with this falsehood:

        “‘Mulsims say they have the true word of God” when actually the lying pen of their scribes has handled it falsely prophets and mullas alike, all practice deceit.”

        You are here not to learn the Word of God, but to try and discount his True Word and you fail extremely at that.

        Please take your deceit elsewhere.

  12. Vixi

    Peace and love in Jesus.

    You say you believe in Jesus the Messiah but reject the Word He quoted from. Thy word is truth He said. You say it is not truth. You either believe in His words or reject them.
    The Jesus you embrace is not Jesus of the scriptures ..so who is the one you speak of? There are many counterfeits. The enemy wants you to reject His word. The gospel is THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION. His Word will never come back void.
    So tell me. Who is the christ you speak of?
    Sue.

    1. SUELIZ1, Thw word of Jesus has been corrupted, by the Pagan Romans and a corrupt scribes. I have quoted FROM THE BIBLE my point , and clearly says so.Jesus did not write a single word down, neither did he dictate. The Bible is also written on behalf of the apostels too. Jesus and God do not contradict themselves or make mistakes

  13. //(1 Timothy 2:5)“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all …”//

    Exactly Gloria Mediator…which is like al the prophets were, the connection between us and God. Each prophet came at a time and to a people of his time, so did Jesus, according to the Biboe came ONLY to the house of Israel…

    Jesus said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” Mt 15:24

    //My Comment: Jesus died on the cross for all sins, in hope that we come to repentence and accept him.//

    i asked you why would Jeus pray to be saved if he knew and wanted to scrifice him self for us.You again decided not to reply with Logic but gave your weak beleif opinion…..again i will ask why did he aske God to save him if he wanted and knew he was going to give up his life for our sins ?????

    //Your Comment: Seeing he is God then who was he asking to save him ?

    My Comment: What are you asking? If you are asking why he said on the cross, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” //

    No i was asking why Jesus asked God to “save him” ( i posted the verse before) where he is clearly afraid, and asking God if he could save him.
    Another point is you just proved to all that Jesus was not aware why God was allowing him to die, for us or himself…you said it

    1. Vixi,

      Jesus died for our sins, past, and present. You can deny it all you want, and twist His Word to suit your need, but unless you repent from your sins, and accept him, God tells us eternity in torment is where you will spend.

      Believe it or not, it’s still the complete truth.

      2 Corinthians 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

      That verse describes you perfectly. I sincerely advise you to repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is near!

  14. Vixi,

    Jesus was fully human and fully divine. In His humanness he did not want to suffer and be die in agony and loneliness. His agony included receiving the spiritual punishment and pain of taking on the sins of the world. Jesus, the Creator of the world who knows NO SIN, had to take on sin. The pain is beyond what we could even comprehend.
    He freely laid down His life and was not a victim, but Vixi, He humbled Himself to be a human being and felt every emotion, temptation, feeling of loss and betrayal that we feel.
    Sue

    1. SUELIZ1< lol, You cannot be devine and Hman at the same time. Why would he die in lonliness when he is supposed to be God. The creator is not created. So again as you claime he is God, who was he praying to to save him ?

      These weak answers and excuses that the Church gave me when they could not answer Logic. You speak like he wrote you a letter explaing his secret desire

      1. Vixi,

        He can be human and Divine because He willed it to be so. That simple. You have a limited human mind and it is impossible to comprehend the mind of God. You try to use human logic, which is impossible.
        Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God. You can not fight Him or His word. You are swinging swords at the wind and you will not win.
        It’s a losing game, Vixi. You will never convince me or Gloria to doubt the Word of God. Your words will never change truth and your ‘convictions’ can’t stand against the unchangable.
        To reject His Word is to reject Him.
        The serpent said to Eve, “…Did God really say that?”
        You are walking on thin ice.
        I will not argue the authority and truth of His Word, Vixi.
        I call you to repentance and to believe in the One who died for your sins. To know His Word is to know Him..His revelation to you.
        Sue

    2. SUELIZ, that is God you are confusing the limitation and ability with.
      LOGI:

      God is forever, he does not die.He needs vo wife or begotten children.Anything you can imagine God to be…is not. Anything created by God we can imagin but not the creator. This Pagan Roman ideology in bringing God down to earth and sharing his DNA is wrong and a Blasphemy

      1. Vixi,

        The Word of God is the complete truth.

        Matthew 1:23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

        Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

        Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

      2. Dear Vixi and Gloria

        Shalom.

        One of the deceptions we can walk into is the cult attitude of being in the only true denomination. That is dangerous. There are true believers of Jesus is almost every denomination, also inside the Roman Catholic Church. But true believers will find it very difficult to work inside a “Church”, that teach that there is only salvation inside her.

        I am a pentecostal, but know that there are faults inside the Pentecostal denomination. I am a baptist, but do not believe that all baptists teach correctly. I am also a Lutheran, because I have high regards for many of the doctrines, given by Martin Luther. Unfortunately, there is not much teaching of Luther left in the Lutheran Churches.

      3. I have no idea what LOGI is, but you may want to explain where your ideas are coming from Vixi.

        Maybe you meant to say logic. Your logic will not save you Vixi. You are fallible. The WORD is infallible. You are a created being attacking the bible. This conversation has no future. You are here to argue with people. What is the point? Let’s quit while we’re ahead.

        Blessings,
        Sue
        Praying you will be given wisdom to understand His word.

  15. Now Gloris Isiah also says that this man ( supposed to be Jesus according to Christians) did ” NOT OPEN HIS MOUTH” to any objections or answers….but like the other post where he feverishly paryed to be saved, and spoke in his trial answering questions, and shouting at the cross…need i say more ?

    As for the ” God God why have you forsaken me..” this is one of a handfull of inconsistancies and contradiction to what he was supposed to have said:

    (Mark 15:34-37, Matthew 27:46-50) – Jesus says: “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (but they use different Greek words for “God” — Matthew uses “Eli” and Mark uses “Eloi”)

    Sabachtani actually exactly like the Arabic ” Sabactani”too which means ” Gone ahead of me”, before me

    (Luke 23:46) – Jesus says: “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.”

    (John 19:30 )- Jesus says: “It is finished.”

    So which one did he say, if there were eye witnesses ? We know he did not say all !

    1. Again, take your mockery elsewhere. You are not here to learn the Word of God. You choose to believe the lies of satan, and you are not here to learn truly.

      I pray your heart opens to the Words of Christ, before it’s too late.

      2 Corinthians 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

      1. Amen, and Amen Gloria! We can spread the gospel and try to be a witness to others, but ultimately we cannot make them accept the free gift of salavation provided by the blood of Jesus Christ. That is something we must all do on our own.

        That’s not saying we should give up!:-) I love reading your articles and you are an inspiration to those of us who know that GOD’s word is truth in it’s entirety. His Kingdom is nigh, and I constantly feel the need to spread the word to all who will accept it! Keep up the good work, and GOD bless you!

  16. Gloria, you are the worst representer of Christ and he would be ashamed of you. He had the answers which you do not know.

    Mockery is what you are making of yourself by refusing to explain simple verses from the Bible. You just do not accept that you have been cornered with verses from your own book that refutes your claimes and reinforce my claims.You are behaving like a child who loses a game

    What exactly threw you off your mind ? the fact that you claimed jesus sad certain words on the cross according to the Bible, then i qoted and contradicted you with other verses that claim he said some thing else ???? Not my fault Gloria.

    Or perhaps the fact that Isiah says that Jesus did not open his mouth and say a word on trial , while your verses claim he did…..which one Gloria ? or is isah a 1/2 liar ?

    Grow up and confront the harsh reality

    1. Vixi,

      If you are here to learn from the Word of Christ, then you can have an intelligent conversation with me based on God’s Word.

      If you cannot do so, again I ask you take your mockery elsewhere.

      The Bible tells us 2 Peter 3:3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

      You must repent from this as God’s Word is the complete truth.

      I ask you from the kindness of my heart, All Glory going to Jesus always, to please search Christ and read the Bible. He is the truth and is coming soon.

      John 8:21 Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”

    2. Vixi,

      Wherever you are getting your theology from is NOT the bible. You are confusing people with your falsehoods. I’m sorry, Vixi-but you will not convince us of not believing in scripture no matter how many times you mock and twist His word. Please find another site if you continue speaking against the scriptures. You think you know more than the word says and you claim that the scriptures are full of lies. Where are you getting your falsehoods from?
      Do you think you are above His word and have ‘figured it all out’? You have a human mind, not the mind of God. Be like a little child believing His words.
      This conversation is unfruitful and going nowhere. It’s time to end it.
      Peace,
      Sue

  17. Hey I just gotta say one thing…

    No where on this earth will you EVER head a MUslim talk bad about the prophets of the Jews and Christians!!

    NO WHERE ON EARTH…

    Yet all you Jews and Christians and spew so much hatred about our Prophet that it actually makes sense that there is all of this animosity in the middle east.

    Shame on you and your Website. Shame of all who think they know as the prophets and the one true LORD knows.

    Look at yourself and your site. Feel the shame, and ask for forgiveness.

    May the Lord forgive your treachery.

  18. Isaiah 43:10,11 “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”

    WItness=GOD?
    Servant=GOD?
    Jesus=GOD?
    where is the logic part? did I miss something

  19. (1 Timothy 2:5)“For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus, who gave Himself a ransom for all .

    Jesus=Mediator
    then since when the mediator become creator?

  20. G-d said: Jacob I love, Ishmael I hate..and in the beginning He blessed them and today they still deny HIM, reading Rev 13:19, G-d tells us the beast and the lawless one..He said it, I believe it ..that settles it.

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