Bible study # 55: John Mac Arthur denies the blood of Jesus

He claims he love Jesus. But says His blood is of no significance. John Mac Arthur claims the blood of Jesus only has symbolic value.

John Mac Arthur is a false teacher.

The first time I read a book of John Mac Arthur, it was about the Spiritual chaos that exists inside many modern day Charismatic Pentecostal Churches.

I agreed with him.

But the chaos inside such fellowships, does not make Pentecostalism null and void.

Neither does it mean that all who claims they have been washed in the blood of Jesus are liars.

When I read that Mac Arthur claims that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased with the Apostolic Age, I knew that this man had walked into deception.

Because if the Holy Spirit has changed His mind, and withdrawn from mankind, “Christianity is dead”.  People who believe this is the fact, becomes a religious movement, and this movement do have millions of followers. But they operate without the help of the Holy Spirit. Preachers like Mac Arthur do promote “Dead Christianity”.

John 1:36
When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

John 19:34
Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.

Where did senior preacher John Mac Arthur walk astray, into deception?

The source seems to be back in 1976, when this Baptist rejected the cleansing powers of the blood of the Lamb of God.

Lets read:

The April 1986 edition of Faith For The Family quotes him as saying in a 1976 article entitled, “Not His Bleeding But His Dying” “It was His death that was efficacious. . not His blood. . . Christ did not bleed to death. The shedding of blood had nothing to do with bleeding. . . it simply means death. . . Nothing in His human blood saves…It is not His blood that I love. . . it is Him. It is not His bleeding that saved me, but His dying.” It is incredible to me, that a Christian minister would make such statements.

Source:

My take on this is that believing that Jesus died on the cross will not save anyone. That He “died” is obvious. It is the washing in the blood of the lamb, that He shed on the cross that will cleanse me from my sins. And not to be ignored: You have to walk in the Power of His resurrection.

John Mac Arthur does not do that. He believes and teachers that the Power of the Resurrection is only limited, and does not include the believers authority to drive out demons, heal the sick, and to pray in different kinds of tongues.

John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever.

Forever still means forever. The same advocate and the same power that the Apostles had, is available today.  This is the central doctrine of Pentecostalism, and this doctrine is correct.

John Mac Arthur is wrong. He is a dangerous false teacher, and an enemy of the Power that Jesus has given the believers, who are his co-workers.

Hebrews 10:19
[ A Call to Persevere in Faith ] Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus.

1 Peter 1:2
who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

The Word and the blood has to testify together. One without the other becomes “powerless religious stuff”.

Revelation 19:13
He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God.

Romans 5:9
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

Colossians 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Hebrews 9:12
He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption.

The Bible plainly tells us, that it is not the “death” of Jesus who purify us from all sins. But the blood He shed when He gave up His life on the cross. This might look like an insignificant difference. But it is not. The death of the passover lamb has now power, without the application of its blood. Read the book of Exodus one more time.  The blood had to be used to stop the destruction Angel. The perfect lamb and its blood are not two separate issues, but the core of Christianity.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Jesus is by the way not “dead”. He is alive. He rose from the grave after three days, to be alive for ever more. His Powers are unlimited. Mac Arthur tells us these powers are limited, because Jesus is not able to work properly through his students any more.

1 John 5:6
This is the one who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

The Spirit of God can not disagree with the blood of Jesus. There is no other remedy for sins.

1 John 5:8
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

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146 thoughts on “Bible study # 55: John Mac Arthur denies the blood of Jesus

  1. I agree with your article completely Ivar.

    As you know, I am Pentacostal and believe completely in the Bible from the Old to the New Testament. I also believe that the Holy Spirit (that some true believers) can speak in tongues. It is not null in void, because “perfection” has come yet. When we are with Christ that’s when “perfection” will arrive.

    God Bless you Ivar, and I hope with this article, that people will do more research on John MacArthur.

    The Word of God has always been the complete truth, and those who add or change it, will have alot to answer for.

    Gloria

  2. My belief is that if John MacArthur teaches Jesus doesn’t heal anymore…then he is wrong. The Bible doesn’t say that healing will stop.
    But as for speaking in tongues, and prophecy, and knowledge…the Bible says that will stop.

    Speaking in tongues is about real earthly languages. And I don’t believe those who practice the nowadays speaking in tongues are speaking in tongues like those in the Bible.

    Read about tongues, prophecy and knowledge ceasing—

    1 Corinthians 13:8-10 (New International Version, ©2010)

    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

    1. Victoria,

      You are wrong. I do not speak in tongues, but I have stated before that a believer in Christ who speaks in tongues (like my Pastor, like Ivar) like countless believers, the bible says the speak to God.

      These verses all prove that you are wrong in this instance.

      Mark 16:15-18 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”

      1 Corinthians 12:8-11 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

      1 Corinthians 12:11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

      1 Corinthians 13 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
      13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

      1 Corinthians 13 verse 10: reread it. 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.

      Don’t you get it? But when perfection comes…Paul isn’t saying perfection has come…he uses “when”. And we both know when Christ takes us to his kingdom that is when perfection comes, and tongues will cease. But not while we are here on earth.

      I can’t make my case clearer than that.

      1. Gloria said: “Don’t you get it? But when perfection comes…Paul isn’t saying perfection has come…he uses “when”. And we both know when Christ takes us to his kingdom that is when perfection comes, and tongues will cease. But not while we are here on earth.
        I can’t make my case clearer than that.”

        Since you ask me “don’t you get it”…I will answer.
        Saying “when perfection comes” does not mean tongues and prophecy will continue until Jesus comes.
        Not all Bibles even translate it “when perfection comes.” The NIV translates it “when completion comes.” Again, either way, it does not mean tongues and prophecy will continue until Jesus comes. You are seeing what you want to see from that scripture.
        As for all the passages you gave supporting tongue speaking—that is for tongue speaking before tongues were stilled.

    2. Hi Victoria,

      You wrote.

      “Speaking in tongues is about real earthly languages. And I don’t believe those who practice the nowadays speaking in tongues are speaking in tongues like those in the Bible.”

      What did you mean by, “….And I don’t believe those who practice the nowadays speaking in tongues are speaking in tongues like those in the Bible.”

      What is the nowadays speaking in tongues?

      I’d like to continue this but we need to be clear in what each other is saying.

      1. Dave,

        You asked Victoria: “What is the nowadays speaking in tongues?”

        That is a good question. I’m very interested in hearing the answer.

      2. Hi Dave,
        I would love to talk to you more about speaking in tongues. But please also acknowledge more of what I have already written. I discussed the scripture that you used to support tongues, and many “tongue speakers” use to support their doctrine. What do you think about what I have shown you about Romans 8:26-30? So are you upset about what I said, or are you intrigued? When I have been led in false doctrines…and I start to learn the truth…I don’t get angry at the one who is trying to show me, but rather, I’m glad. And even if I don’t agree with someone…I still try to not be rude. I hope we can discuss in a kind manner.

      3. Dave asked “What is the nowadays speaking in tongues?”

        Nowadays speaking in tongues is a copy-cat of the biblical speaking in tongues. Nowadays tongues is not supernatural, but rather, it is taught, taught by watching someone else do it, or taught from being verbally coached.

      4. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        I have earlier concluded, that I would not debate this issue with you again. Because we will most likely end up in the same circle, and quite fruitless waste of time.

        But, your latest statement baffled me.

        You wrote:

        Nowadays speaking in tongues is a copy-cat of the biblical speaking in tongues. Nowadays tongues is not supernatural, but rather, it is taught, taught by watching someone else do it, or taught from being verbally coached.

        My comment:

        When did you get the gift of interpretation of tongues, you are convinced have ceased?

      5. Here is many scriptures about tongues… I hope you are enlightened to the truth.

        The gift of tongues were for a sign, as prophesied about in the Old Testament (Isaiah 28:11), and fulfilled in the New Testament, as confirmed by Apostle Paul (1 Corinthians 14:2).
        The sign would be for the Jews, and to show that the Gentiles are included in salvation (Acts 10:44-48).
        Those speaking in tongues were understood by hearers who understood the tongues speaking as foreign languages (Acts 2:6). The word ‘tongues’ is even used as meaning ‘foreign languages’ (Acts 2:11).
        Those speaking in tongues could declare the wonders of God (Acts 2:11). They could also praise God while speaking in tongues (Acts 10:46). They speak mysteries (1 Corinthians 14:2). Not every one spoke in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:5). If someone spoke in tongues, then they should pray that they should also interpret what they say, for the benefit of others (1 Corinthians 14:13). Even when praying while speaking in tongues, the speaker, for himself also, should interpret what he is saying so that it is fruitful for his mind (1 Corinthians 14:14). If there is no interpreter in church, then the speaker should keep quiet and speak to himself and God (1 Corinthians 14:28).
        Speaking in tongues are also believed by many to be the language of angels (1 Corinthians 13:1), but angels are ministering spirits to those who will inherit salvation (Hebrews 1:14). And since angels are ministering spirits to those who will inherit salvation, then the angels will need to know earthly languages— all the foreign languages of the world.
        So from the scriptures we see that tongue speaking was for a sign, the sign was given. Those who spoke in tongues spoke mysteries, the mysteries of the gospel has been given (Ephesians 6:19). And scripture tells us that tongues will be stilled (1 Corinthians 13:8).

      6. Victoria,

        You said: Nowadays speaking in tongues is a copy-cat of the biblical speaking in tongues. Nowadays tongues is not supernatural, but rather, it is taught, taught by watching someone else do it, or taught from being verbally coached.

        My Comment: I don’t know what answer I was expecting, but taught?

        I have been in the presence of Christ, and have witnessed those who speak in tongue. Not everyone speaks in tongue, I don’t. But Glory to Christ because he has revealed things to me. But the Believers in Christ that I have witnessed, no way were they taught to speak in tongue.

        With all due respect Victoria, have you prayed to Jesus about this?

      7. Dear Gloria and Victoria.

        Shalom.

        When I hear a person speak in a language I do not understand, I simply can not judge what kind of language this is. This is called common sense. It is better to say that these people are “babbling”, and that is what someone have told you.

        If someone comes to you and say He has got the interpretation, there are two options. He tells the truth, or He is not telling the truth. This is either from God, or it will be from the devil. You can simply not land somewhere is the middle.

      8. Ivar said: “I have earlier concluded, that I would not debate this issue with you again. Because we will most likely end up in the same circle, and quite fruitless waste of time.
        But, your latest statement baffled me.”

        My discussing this with Dave, as Dave wanted to, could help him or others.

        Ivar said: “When did you get the gift of interpretation of tongues, you are convinced have ceased?”

        It was not a “gift of interpretation” as you say. It was a copy-cat.
        And, the Holy Spirit led me to the truth about speaking in tongues. This has been some years ago now.

      9. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom

        You wrote:

        It was not a “gift of interpretation” as you say. It was a copy-cat.

        My reply:

        Who told you that this was a “copy-cat?”. I mean, if you did not get the interpretation.

      10. Gloria said: “I don’t know what answer I was expecting, but taught?”

        Yes Gloria, taught.

        Gloria said: “I have been in the presence of Christ, and have witnessed those who speak in tongue.”

        And those people who have witnessed “speaking in tongues…they have also witnessed people “speaking in tongues.” That is one way how they learn.

        Gloria said: “Not everyone speaks in tongue, I don’t. But Glory to Christ because he has revealed things to me. But the Believers in Christ that I have witnessed, no way were they taught to speak in tongue.”

        Again, many people forever and all over the world learn by watching. You cannot possibly discount that fact, no matter how much you’d like to say that people are not taught by observance.

        Gloria said: “With all due respect Victoria, have you prayed to Jesus about this?”

        That is not respectful, Gloria. I pray continually.

      11. Ivar said: “When I hear a person speak in a language I do not understand, I simply can not judge what kind of language this is. This is called common sense. It is better to say that these people are “babbling”, and that is what someone have told you.
        If someone comes to you and say He has got the interpretation, there are two options. He tells the truth, or He is not telling the truth. This is either from God, or it will be from the devil. You can simply not land somewhere is the middle.”

        Ivar, you of course do not have to answer me this—but maybe you can ask yourself and answer yourself—when you spoke tongues…you spoke after you watched others do so, correct?
        And you can also think about this: Is your tongue speaking supernatural? Is your speaking something no one else can do, unless they are a Christian? Is your speaking in tongues understandable by someone of another language?

        Again, you don’t have to answer me these questions…I already know the answer.

      12. Ivar said: “Who told you that this was a “copy-cat?”. I mean, if you did not get the interpretation.”

        The Holy Spirit led me to the truth.

        And, I don’t understand your second question.

      13. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        The Holy Spirit led me to the truth.

        My reply:

        How do you know this was the Holy Spirit?

      14. Victoria,

        Asking you if you’ve prayed to Christ about tongues is not disrespectful at all. How you believe in some spiritual gifts and not others is beyond me.

        At my church, I have seen my Pastor speak in tongues, and I have seen/listened interpretation.

        1 Corinthians 12
        4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

        I pray that you see the truth Victoria about believers in Christ who speak in tongues, and that it is in fact “The Holy Spirit.”

        Amen.

      15. Ivar said: “I have earlier concluded, that I would not debate this issue with you again. Because we will most likely end up in the same circle, and quite fruitless waste of time.”

        Speaking of fruitless, Ivar, my discussions about speaking in tongues are not “fruitless.” That is just your unkind opinion.
        But what does the Bible say about “fruitless”? What the Bible says about “fruitless” is so much better to talk about.
        Those who teach for people to speak in tongues…they also teach to make it as a personal prayer language to God. Many people do this type of “prayer to God” and they don’t even interpret.
        Now let’s talk about what the Bible says, the Bible says it is “fruitless” to the mind of a tongue speaker to speak and not interpret.
        So much for the “personal prayer language” the nowadays tongue speakers teach. They teach “fruitlessness.”

      16. Gloria said: “Asking you if you’ve prayed to Christ about tongues is not disrespectful at all. How you believe in some spiritual gifts and not others is beyond me.”

        I understand that you can’t see it.

        Gloria said: “At my church, I have seen my Pastor speak in tongues, and I have seen/listened interpretation.”

        I know that is what you believe, Gloria

        1 Corinthians 12
        4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

        This passage is does not support nowadays tongue speaking.

        Gloria said: “I pray that you see the truth Victoria about believers in Christ who speak in tongues, and that it is in fact “The Holy Spirit.””

        I have been shown the truth. I pray that you will come to a knowledge of the truth. I understand how difficult it would be for you to give up the belief of nowadays tongue speaking. You would have to give up the years of belief, you would possibly lose many family and friends, and you would probably leave and lose a pastor and church community that you really love.

      17. Dear Victoria

        Shalom.

        I am really amazed. You do not have the gifts of tongues, neither do you have the gifts of interpretation. Still you claim to know that these two gifts mentioned in the Bible are false. People who claim that any man who claim they have the interpretation of “a tongue from God” are liars, do take a huge risk. It amounts to sin against the Holy Spirit, a mortal sin.

      18. Ivar said: “How do you know this was the Holy Spirit?”

        For one reason I know…is because I was led to actually read about something that I just accepted as truth from a pastor. And when I read about it in the Bible, the Lord gave me wisdom and understanding in what I read.

      19. Another reason why I know the Holy Spirit led me to the truth, is because I had the realization that I was babbling and speaking gibberish, and that is what nowadays tongue speaking is.
        The Bible says that tongues are for a sign, the sign is given. The Bible says speaking in tongues is for “unbelievers” (1 Corinthians 14:22). Yet many pastors teach speaking in tongues is for the “believer.” And you don’t see the unbelievers hearing and being amazed, like in Acts.
        Keep praying about it and reading scriptures.

      20. Dear Victoria

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        ….is because I had the realization that I was babbling and speaking gibberish, and that is what nowadays tongue speaking is.

        My reply:

        So you do have the gifts of interpretation?

        I am amazed that you seems to have been speaking in tongues, and the devil managed to make you stop. May be, Victoria, you have got the gifts of tongues. My advice. Just let it flow. Do not stop it.

      21. Ivar said: “I am really amazed. You do not have the gifts of tongues, neither do you have the gifts of interpretation. still you claim to know that these two gifts mentioned in the Bible are false.”

        Ivar, what in the world does those two statements you made have to do with each other? What does claiming to know that these two gifts mentioned in the Bible have to do with being able to interpret? You only operate with people interpreting tongues—therefore you can’t imagine any other way of interpreting. That is how much you are indoctrinated into your denomination’s practices.

        Ivar said: “People who claim that any man who claim they have the interpretation of “a tongue from God” are liars, do take a huge risk. It amounts to sin against the Holy Spirit, a mortal sin.””

        If God wants someone to speak in a tongue or tongues, a language, then God can.
        And maybe you hang on to your false speaking in tongues because you are afraid that if you are wrong that you are sinning. But I’m being perfected in love, and I don’t fear the way you do.
        I hope you don’t continue in falseness out of fear…that is why many Catholics stay in their false religion, with false infant baptisms, etc. They fear that in case they are wrong they will be punished.
        I hope you find the Love that can perfect you in the Truth.

      22. Victoria,

        Actually it wouldn’t be difficult at all . If my Pastor preached another gospel, that is not found in the Bible, then I would simply leave. But my Pastor always speaks and preaches what the Word of God says in the New and Old testament.

        Regarding my family, I have brothers and sisters who do not believe in Christ, and follow the ways of the world. To this day, I have not given up praying for them, and telling them about the Word of God.

        I have seen the truth of God’s Word, and it’s the complete truth. I believe in Him, and believe his Word will never change, and that includes what God says of the Holy Spirit.

        God Bless.

      23. Ivar said: “I am amazed that you seems to have been speaking in tongues, and the devil managed to make you stop. May be, Victoria, you have got the gifts of tongues. My advice. Just let it flow. Do not stop it.”

        Now you could be blaspheming, Ivar. Be careful. I tell you the Holy Spirit revealed the truth to me about speaking in tongue. But you say the devil did.

        And your advice to me about “let it flow,” that is how people are taught, just like I knew you were taught that way.

      24. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        Now you could be blaspheming, Ivar. Be careful. I tell you the Holy Spirit revealed the truth to me about speaking in tongue. But you say the devil did.

        My reply:

        You cant have it both ways. This is either from the Holy Spirit, or from the devil. I pray that you will get the boldness, to not hold this wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit back. Let it flow Victoria. Do not be afraid.

      25. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        And your advice to me about “let it flow,” that is how people are taught, just like I knew you were taught that way.

        My reply:

        I got the gift of tongues when I was alone, long time before I entered a Pentecostal Church. It was an exiting time. I was like a new born child. Just enjoy, Victoria. I feel you are about to be baptized in the Holy Spirit.

      26. Ivar said: “You cant have it both ways. This is either from the Holy Spirit, or from the devil. I pray that you will get the boldness, to not hold this wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit back. Let it flow Victoria. Do not be afraid.”

        Your nowadays speaking in tongues is not biblical. That is one way, not both ways.

        And I will not go backwards after Jesus revealed something to me. You got your teaching techniques down pat. Admit you were taught. That would be a big start to the truth.

      27. Ivar,
        I have been showing you scriptures. But you are resorting to only speaking from your own feelings and thoughts. And many of those feelings and thoughts are just about trying to insult me.
        Please reread everything I wrote here about speaking in tongue. Look up the scriptures, the many scriptures I gave, and continue studying. With the measure you use it will be measured to you, and more. Hopefully God will grant you repentance leading you to a knowledge of the truth.

  3. Wow that was hard to read. Another crushing blow to one of my favorite pastors. I really enjoy listening to his sermons. I’ve never heard him say that. I wonder if he hasn’t changed his mind since that 1976 statement. That’s a rather old article.

    Can someone on the NTM’s staff see if we cant find a more recent statement along the same lines as the 1976 statement?

    I wonder if he learned that in seminary or came to that conclusion on his own?

      1. Here is directly on his website, where John MacArthur incorrectly states:

        “We teach, in this respect, that God the Holy Spirit is sovereign in the bestowing of all His gifts for the perfecting of the saints today and that speaking in tongues and the working of sign miracles in the beginning days of the church were for the purpose of pointing to and authenticating the apostles as revealers of divine truth, and were never intended to be characteristic of the lives of believers”

        But the Holy Word of God makes John’s view on the Holy Spirit a lie.

        http://www.gty.org/Meet/Doctrine

      2. Dear Gloria and Richard.

        Shalom.

        Richard: This points to the possibility that John Mac Arthur has not changed his teachings. He still claim that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ceased with the Apostolic age. I totally disagree with Mac Arthur. My article stands firm, and I have used multiple Bible verses to make my case. Let the read decide.

      3. I followed that study and he said no such thing. He didn’t say he had some super knowledge-he merely did a study on the idea of being a “slave” to Jesus. And how His Lordship over our lives is being downplayed and modern evangelicals are tending towards “easy believism”
        The very word Lord means “master”-Jesus very often spoke in these terms. “A man cannot serve two masters”-His parables often speak of “servents”-don’t believe a half hearted critique, read it or listen to the series yourself.

      4. Carrie,

        I disagree with you.

        John MacArthur’s words were: “Studying the New Testament I discovered a distortion of truth when it came to the word ‘doulos.’ The book Slave is about the hidden word that unlocks the believer’s identity. There had been a conspiracy to cover up a truth that is so essential to the New Testament that without it we misunderstand our relationship to Jesus Christ.”

        If that’s not a “supposed super-revelation” I don’t know what is.

        2 Corinthians 11:4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

      5. Carrie,

        I love what you said about the Bible.
        As for MacArthur, I do not know everything he said about our being slaves, but I do know we are slaves.
        But please be careful about MacArthur for other beliefs that are false, like Calvinism.

        God bless you.

    1. Dear Richard.

      Shalom.

      Please do some research on this, and let me know. If Mac Arthur has changed his teachings about the Holy Spirit and the blood of the Lamb of God, I would love to publish an article about this. It would be of great importance to the students of Jesus all over the Earth.

    2. This is a silly debate. All throughout the NT there are statements backing John’s interpretation. Romans 5:8 “But God demonstrates His own love toward us. In that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us” “the wages of sin is death” 1 Thess 5:9 “For God did not appoint us to wrath but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ who died for us”
      Why are you shredding and accusing John-I’m not even sure of the point your making-“Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.”
      I’m not clear on what you are saying. The very fact that Jesus was called “the lamb of God” and “the perfect and spotless lamb” illustrates the symbolism that the sacrificial system was pointing to the Messiah. He’s not a furry little animal, if you can understand the symbolic reference there why is it not applicable here? Are you like the Catholics who think we must literally eat His flesh and drink His blood? I’m not being a smart alec I really don’t know. Do you believe in transubstantiation?

    1. MacArthur says in this video “there’s nothing in his fluid in his body…” He is in error. Read what Leviticus says about the life of a creature is in the blood…

      Leviticus 17:11 For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one’s life.

      And read this important scripture…

      Hebrews 9:22 In fact, the law requires that nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

  4. Wow you might be right Ivar. This video goes one step further where John MacArthur points out his points in his study bible. Thats disappointing.

    1. How MacArthur can get something so simple so wrong is beyond me.
      The man in this video stated that MacArthur was a Calvinist. Calvinism is a false doctrine. Looks like MacArthur is in many different false beliefs.

    2. Dear Richard.

      Shalom.

      If I have been able to open your eyes today, I might have minimized the risk that you will walk into deceptions. I praise Jesus for giving me both inspiration and guts to rebuke one of the senior pastors inside mainline Christianity. John Mac Arthur has hundreds of thousands of fans within many denominations and Church families.

      1. Sadly its like losing a friend I have listend to John for 20 years. As a child growing up when I wasnt at church we watched Robert Schuller or Billy Graham. Its as if all my spiritual leaders are falling apart. Well hopefully you dont find anything wrong with Dr David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley or Raul Ries.

      2. Dear Richard

        Shalom.

        I might sometimes teach wrong from the Bible. So please do not put your trust in me. Read the Bible, attend Bible studies regularly, and pray that The Holy Spirit reveals the full truth. He has promised to lead you into all the truth.

  5. Jeg synes, du farer lidt hårdt frem imod John MacArthur. Det er Jesus død på korset for vores skyld, der er frelsesgrundlaget. Han udgød sit blod, så vi kunne gå fri. Og døden kunne ikke fastholde Jesus, da han var uden synd.

    Karismatikken har fostret megen vranglære. Bare tænk på Toronto, Lakeland o.l.

    De virkelige forførere er folk som Rick Warren, Bill Hybels og hele kirkevækstbevægelsen.

    Tak for mange gode artikler om Mellemøstsituationen.

    1. Dear Nyt i Natten.

      Shalom.

      I am not attacking John Mac Arthur in person. I have not commented on his private life. I have questioned his use of the Bible. All teachers must be ready for this. Also John Mac Arthur.

      As I stated in the article, I agree with John Mac Arthur about the chaos in many Charismatic fellowships. Even the Pope will agree with John Mac Arthur on this. That will not make the Pope right on other issues.

      Let us take a look at the concerned teaching of John Mac Arthur. In other articles, we can debate teaching of other senior preachers.

      1. Dear Nyt i Natten.

        You wrote:

        This seems to be an internal fight within the Charismatic circles.

        My reply:

        Not at all. John Mac Arthur has waged war against the Word of God. All other issues are not important. Does John Mac Arthur teach correct about the Holy Spirit? Does He teach correct about the blood of the Lamb of God, Jesus of Nazareth?

  6. 1st Cotinthians talks about speaking in tongues. It begins.

    1Co 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
    1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
    1Co 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
    1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
    1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    It ends,

    1Co 14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
    1Co 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
    1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
    1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
    1Co 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

    “…… and forbid not to speak with tongues.”

    This isn’t talking about what happened at Pentecost, as in Acts chapter 2.

    Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

    These people understood what was being said. In Corinthians it says,

    1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him;….

    These are two different things. When a person prays in the Holy Ghost they are praying to God in an unknown tongue. The person praying doesn’t understand what they are saying. It is the Spirit praying for us, and through us, because we need His help. Sometimes we don’t know what to pray, as we ought.

    1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

    The devil will always try to mimic or pervert the gifts of the Holy Ghost. Sometimes young or zealous Christians can make mistakes. When that happens it can cause doubt or confusion in others. I think this is one example of that, not everyone having a clear understanding, not through any fault of their own.

    1. Dear Dave 1543.

      Shalom.

      You wrote:

      The devil will always try to mimic or pervert the gifts of the Holy Ghost.

      My comment:

      That is exactly my point. That the devil has powers to perform false miracles, do not include that God of the Bible has stopped performing miracles through the co-workers of Jesus.

      That is what John Mac Arthur claims. God is now more or less powerless, and can not work properly through men like He used to do. Today, all men who perform miracles in the name of Jesus, do so with occult powers. That is a perversion of the truth. John Mac Arthur is wrong. And He is in danger of sinning against the Holy Spirit. That is a mortal sin, that will never be forgiven.

    2. Dave1543 says: “This isn’t talking about what happened at Pentecost, as in Acts chapter 2.
      Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
      These people understood what was being said. In Corinthians it says,
      1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him;….
      These are two different things. When a person prays in the Holy Ghost they are praying to God in an unknown tongue. The person praying doesn’t understand what they are saying. It is the Spirit praying for us, and through us, because we need His help. Sometimes we don’t know what to pray, as we ought.”

      Dave, It isn’t two different speaking in tongues, like you said it is.

      The reason no one understands what he is saying…is because there is no one from another language there to understand. Do you understand that?

      When there is no one there who understands…the speaker should speak to himself and God. The speaker should remain quiet. That’s what the Bible says.

      Even when praying while speaking in tongues, the speaker, for himself also, should interpret what he is saying so that it is fruitful for his mind (1 Corinthians 14:14). If there is no interpreter in church, then the speaker should keep quiet and speak to himself and God (1 Corinthians 14:28).

      Dave, you said “It is the Spirit praying for us, and through us, because we need His help.”

      The Holy Spirit helps people in the bible times even when they didn’t speak in tongues, and even for those who never spoke in tongues. And the Holy Spirit helps people today, even though they don’t speak in tongues.

      And you use a scripture to support speaking in tongues, but you are wrong. See Romans 8:26-30—

      26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

      Did you see that? The Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. Speaking in tongues is not wordless groans. This scripture means that when all we can do is groan…the Spirit intercedes for us.

  7. This article about McArthur shows why each Christian needs to know what the Bible says. They need to read it for themselves. It’s not uncommon for these big time preachers to make mistakes or even be in serious error.
    The problem comes in when they don’t or can’t or won’t receive reproof. Pride will kill a lot of souls.

    1. MacArthur also thinks that somehow with his book “Slave” he had a super revelation and that he can add to the Holy Word of God.

      I’ve always believed as the Word of God that the bible can stand alone. For God is the creator of all things, and his words are eternally true.

      God Bless,

      Gloria

  8. There are some different views regarding how to understand what the Bible means with the term “blood” of Jesus Christ.

    Some (as f.ex John MacArthur and probably Charles Spurgeon) interpret/understand it symbolic as a symbol/metafor that reprecent the sacrificial death and atonement. It is not about the fluid itself.

    It is interesting to be informed about this kind of interpretation, but I think it is incorrect to claim this understanding as deception, lies and walking astray into deception.

    I think MacArthur “stresses” his understanding too far (or narrow) – but “stressing” on the other hand – it will be seriously wrong to fire accusations against his stand/interpretation as “lies”, “deception” and “ waged war against the Word of God”.

    MacArthur thus may seem to reduce the Biblical scope of the term “Blood”. We may correctly also include the physical fluid of His holy pure blood shed once for all – and which now still constantly cleans from sin.

    But the main focus and matter has to be Christ’s atonement represented by his sacrificial and victorious death on the cross. This is MacArthur’s stand as far I can see. http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/blood.htm

    The blood clearly represent and speech about the complete and finished atonement by the death of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

    But we also simply have to take into account the literal Biblical use of the term “blood” as a precious physical fact in itself as a payment for sin and real cleansing power, that was shed on Calvary cross, and we are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ. (This was the pure, sinless blood of God himself.)

    MacArthur Studybible comment to 1 Pet.1,18: “…The price paid to a holy God was the shed blod of His own Son….”

    Ref Hebr 9,12-14): Jesus with his own blood entered the Most Holy Place once for all. Here MacArthur understand this as a defacto expression of “the whole atoning sacrificial work of Christ in his dead”, not his actual physical blood. This may be correct, because His holy pure physical blood was shed at Calvary.

    Regarding the other subject:
    No more a slave of sin, but a slave of Christ. This is not about a “super revelation” claimed by John MacArthur – it is about Bible-translation of the word “Doulous” used in a picture/metafor describing the relation between Christ and his believers as Lord-slave (Kyrios-doulos)

    “You are a slave of Jesus Christ. You are owned. You have been purchased by His blood, Acts 20. You have been bought, not with silver and gold, but with…what?…1 Peter 1:18 and 19, the precious blood of Jesus Christ.

    You have been purchased, Revelation 5:9. You have no independent rights. Slaves had no rights. Slaves owned nothing.” (MacArthur, http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-321.htm )

    Not slaves of sin, but slaves of Christ! How great!Anyway: This is not the whole truth! We have to take into account that the Bible describes different relationships between Christ and his followers!

    We are also children of God! We own in Christ every spiritual blessing and inheritance! But every side/picture/metaphor is founded on and filled with His love, mercy and grace to us.

    1. Arve,

      You said: I think MacArthur “stresses” his understanding too far (or narrow) – but “stressing” on the other hand – it will be seriously wrong to fire accusations against his stand/interpretation as “lies”, “deception” and “ waged war against the Word of God”.

      My Comment: When someone tells you that the Holy Spirit has ceased its gifts, and for a fact you know this to be a lie, you consider it wrong to say “that’s a lie”? If someone tells you that the blood of Jesus Christ is not important, but the fact that Jesus died that’s what’s important, and you did read th Bible, and you know this person who claims to read the bible is lying, would you not confront that person?

      As a teacher of the Word of God, John has an obligation to speak the complete truth. To assume that you can twist the a bible verse to mean something else, and to state that he had some “super revelation” according to the Word of God, well thats simply wrong, and frankly John MacArthur needs to be called out on it.

      Your Comment: No more a slave of sin, but a slave of Christ. This is not about a “super revelation” claimed by John MacArthur – it is about Bible-translation of the word “Doulous” used in a picture/metafor describing the relation between Christ and his believers as Lord-slave (Kyrios-doulos)

      My Comment: I disagree. This is about what John thinks is the truth, and what is the actual truth, including the lies he’s printed in his book Slave. Did you know that in his book Slave, he never once mentioned Jesus Christ dying in the Cross? The most important thing to ever happen, John fails to mention in his book.

      I don’t know about you, but it makes me think this John has alot to answer for.

    2. Dear Arve.

      Shalom.

      I am a great fan of Martin Luther. Still, I have issues with some of his teachings. There is no contradictions in this statement. The two of us do not have to agree on everything to call each other brothers. I guess we both agree that Luther’s attack on the Jews were deadly wrong?

      You wrote:

      The blood clearly represent and speech about the complete and finished atonement by the death of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God.

      My reply:

      The perfect Passover lamb and the blood of the passover lamb are two different issues, interconnected to each other. The complete and finished atonement by the death of Jesus Christ, has no meaning, is you delete the cleansing power of the blood of the Lamb of God.

      Also the Pope and some Charismatic pastors misuse the Bible. In Charismatic circles, it is common to say: ” I apply the blood of Jesus”. My question is always: Can you do that? Where is it? You have to humble your self, and rather say: “Jesus, please cover me with your blood”.

      If you have ever driven out a demon, as a co-worker with Jesus, you will see how this dark power shudders when the TEAM start to talk about the blood of Jesus. The demon manifests. Finally, It can not stay.

      Jesus is fully capable of driving out demons today. And He might work together with you, if you understand and accept that this authority is valid. Johan Mac Arthur has tried to make this authority null and void, and do brand men like me, workers of occult powers in the name of “Jesus”. What a shame.

      Why dont Mac Arthur also accuse Peter and Paul for using occult powers to drive out demons? When did the Holy Spirit retire?

    3. Dear Arve.

      Shalom

      You wrote:

      “You have no independent rights. Slaves had no rights. Slaves owned nothing.” Quote, Mac Arthur.

      My reply:

      This sounds like the perfect Sharia Law. The Law of Christ, is the opposite of legalism. We are free, purchased by His blood, to follow Him.

      1 Peter 2:16
      Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.

      Mac Arthur’s understanding of “slavery” seems to nullify grace. He writes like a student of Jesus is some kind of “puppet of Christ”, having no clue Him self of what to do. And that we can not debate with Jesus, what the team should do.

      Lets learn from Paul, who got permission to do a lot, to win people for Jesus.

      1 Corinthians 9:20
      To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.

      (end of scripture)

      It would have been quite a co-workmanship, where the co-worker has no saying in the matters of work. I do have a lot of rights. Jesus is a commander who answers requests and prayers. We can move the heart of God. Abraham negotiated with God. Jacob wrestled with God, and overcame. I request Jesus for many things, and my requests and petitions are often granted.

      Galatians 2:4
      This matter arose because some false believers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

      The “Slavery” gospel of John Mac Arthur, is not graceful Christianity.

      1. Dear Ivar,
        to be a slave of the Lord Jesus Christ, our Saviour is love,grace and truth, a result of His love and redemtion at Calvary!

        “A slave could have some status, but the status the slave had was related to who his master was.

        That’s why it was an honor to be part of Caesar’s household even though you were a slave. You were a slave at the highest level.

        And we have no honor for ourselves other than that honor that comes to us because of who our master is, right? And that’s why the apostles could say, “I’m a slave of God, I’m a slave of Jesus Christ.” That’s where the honor came from.

        And I submit to Him for all my needs, I’m dependent on Him as my protector and my provider and I submit to all His discipline of my failures and my disobedience that He might conform me more to His will and I submit to Him some day for that reward which He determines is suitable to give to me when I come before Him and hear, “Well done, good and faithful slave.” Let Him give me what He will.

        And by the way, you’re going to be a slave to someone. Being a slave to Jesus Christ is beyond any kind of slavery that anybody ever knew because this master,

        listen to this one, makes us sons and gives us all the rights of His own sons. He adopts us into His family, calls us joint-heirs with Christ,

        takes us to heaven where we rule and reign from His own throne and pours out all the lavish riches in His possession forever and ever and ever for our own unmitigated joy and His own glory. Who wouldn’t want to be a slave under that master?

        What a joy to be a slave of Jesus Christ.”
        John MacArtur at
        http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/80-321.htm

      2. Dear Arve.

        Shalom.

        If John Mac Arthur writes” What a joy to be a slave of Jesus Christ”, it is indeed a positive remark. Not all John Mac Arthur is writing is wrong, and neither is mine.

        But “sonship” and “slave” combined do become something very different from “slavery”.

        “Slaves” who are invited into a “Friendship” and “co-workmanship” is also something new and different.

        You your self has pointed out that our relationship with Jesus is mentioned to be “more than just a slave”. So this relationship between Jesus and us, is awesome. We sing: “What a friend, we have in Jesus”.

      3. Ivar,
        A bond-servant does work for his Master and doesn’t get paid. A bond-servant is a slave to who owns him.
        What do you think of Paul, Peter and John calling themselves bond-servants of Christ?

        We are more than just slaves to Christ—But we are still slaves.

        I’m not sure how you can miss all the scriptures and explanations from the Bible about this beautiful and powerful truth.

      4. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        I have indeed used enough Bible verses to make my case. I feel this is a matter of the nature of Jesus, and how He looks up on us. Not as “slaves”, but sons, friends and co-workers. The Jesus of the Bible I do follow, has not lead me into slavery. He is my Master, and my very, very best friend.

      5. I’m not sure how you can confuse how much God loves us and what he considers us to be, with what John MacArthur believes. I simply don’t get it. John MacArthur believes several things altogether that are not at all in the scriptures.

      6. Dear Gloria.

        A false teacher like Mac Arthur, will obviously teach a lot of good stuff also. If not, no one would listen to Him, and no one would be deceived. In regards to His teachings on the Holy Spirit, He has introduced, more or or less secretly, heretic doctrines. Mac Arthur leads people astray.

      7. Ivar, you said “I have indeed used enough Bible verses to make my case.”

        You do not answer the questions about scriptures saying we are slaves. You still did not answer what you thought of Peter, Paul and John calling themselves bond-servants of Jesus Christ.
        Why do you have such a hard time calling yourself a slave to Christ? It is all good.

        Ivar said “I feel this is a matter of the nature of Jesus, and how He looks up on us. Not as “slaves”, but sons, friends and co-workers. The Jesus of the Bible I do follow, has not lead me into slavery. He is my Master, and my very, very best friend.”

        You just said Jesus is your Master. If Jesus is your Master…can you bring yourself to call yourself His slave?
        And, I’ve said all along that we are not just slaves, but we are slaves to the Lord.

      8. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        I am a slave of the righteousness of Jesus. And Peter explains that we are free, and should not misuse our freedom to do evil. This must be included in the next phrase” live as God’s slaves”. I agree with Peter.

        1 Peter 2:16
        Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.

        Do you agree with Peter?

        Live as free people…..Live as God’s slaves.

      9. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom

        You have brought in a new topic. “bond-servants of Jesus Christ”. I have no opinion about this word “bond-servant”. But I guess it is something different than a “slave”. If you want to know what I feel about the difference between these two words, you have to give me some time to study and reflect.

      10. Ivar, Yes, we are told to be slaves to righteousness, but we are also told to be a slave to Jesus, Jesus who is the Righteous One. We were bought, purchased, we are not our own.
        And, Peter, Paul and John say they are bond servants to Jesus Christ. They do not only say they are a slave to righteousness…they say they are a slave to Jesus Christ.
        When Peter explains we are free, he means we are not under the law, we do not have to do the works of the law…for example sacrifices, circumcisions, etc…But Peter then says be slaves to God. So can you now say you are a slave? If Peter, Paul and John can say it…maybe you will too?

      11. Ivar said: “You have brought in a new topic. “bond-servants of Jesus Christ”. I have no opinion about this word “bond-servant”. But I guess it is something different than a “slave”. If you want to know what I feel about the difference between these two words, you have to give me some time to study and reflect.”

        I hope you do study this more about bond-servant. It makes me very happy to hear that.
        Just be warned though…some Bibles leave out the word “bond-servant.” Some just say “servant.”
        A bond servant willfully stays with his Master. And a bond-servant, unlike a paid and hired servant, doesn’t get paid.

      12. One more thing about “bond-servant.” A bond-servant and slave are the same thing.
        Again, a bond-servant doesn’t get paid, but a hired servant gets paid.
        If you belong to another person…and don’t get paid…are you not a slave?
        It is more than wonderful to be a slave of God.

      13. Ultimately, the point is this.

        What John MacArthur considers to be a “slave” is not the same in the Word of God.

        What John MacArthur says that Christ can’t heal, is not true. Christ can heal.

        What John MacArthur says about the Holy Spirit is in direct contrast to what the Word of God says.

        This is why (Ivar brought this point up also) that we must always look to the Word of God for the truth.

        We are living in the end of days, and more and more deceiving is going on, now more than ever.

      14. Gloria says:
        “What John MacArthur says that Christ can’t heal, is not true. Christ can heal.”

        Gloria: You give wrong information about MacArthur regarding this.

      15. Arve,
        I listened to some of that broadcast…heartbreaking…to hear that young women.
        I do want to say that MacArthur kept telling that woman it is okay to ask God to remove the tumor, but then MacArthur says to then say to God that His will be done.
        What is God’s will for us? The Bible tells us. And the Bible tells us when we pray, to believe we have what we asked for, not to doubt.
        So, I don’t really agree with what MacArthur says about it. Even if the woman prays and not doubts that she will be healed…yet she dies anyway…at least she lived in hope, hope which is Jesus. And at least she obeyed and lived in hope till she dies.

        Mark 11:24 (New International Version, ©2010)

        24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

      16. Gloria:
        I agree in much of the article of MacArthur you linked to. Also this:
        “It is not Biblical to believe that God is going to heal you”

        This is correct! God has never in His Word said or promised He is going to heal everyone, neither all his believers.

        God, the creator of heaven and earth CAN of course heal everyone, but he does not.

        We can pray to God, our mercyful Father, for his healing. But the biblical way to pray is: Let your will be done.

        How great to lay our life, problems, sorrows and sickness in the hands of our Heavenly Father!

        Many precious christians have suffered of sickness, disableness, multihandicaped, perhaps all their life, without being healed.

        It is totally unbiblical to claim them for too litle faith, or give them false promises – that God is going to heal them. If not – it is something wrong with them.

        By the way, Gloria: Is it not proper to admit, and excuse your seriously wrong information regarding MacArthur?

        Victoria:
        Yes, the Bible have many promises regarding prayer! But it is connected to the will of God. It is not always we know concrete His will. And there are no places in the Bible promising healing and health to every person or believer.

        In every situation we can rely on God and his Word and his will and way in every situation. Trust in Him. But we live on earth, in a sinful world. Only heaven is free from sickness and sorrows.

      17. Arve,

        You wrote: I agree in much of the article of MacArthur you linked to.

        My Comment: That is sad indeed, because what MacArthur thinks the Word of God says, and that he can add to the Word of God…that’s wrong.

        You wrote: God, the creator of heaven and earth CAN of course heal everyone, but he does not.

        My Comment: But your missing the point. I have heard of Christ healing the blind, I know Jesus healed my son, and I also know Jesus healed a lady in my church from cancer. The point here is Christ can heal, and to think he can’t is in direct contrast to his word.

        Your Comment: Many precious christians have suffered of sickness, disableness, multihandicaped, perhaps all their life, without being healed.

        My Comment: That is very true. I’ve lived with asthma my entire life, and twice I’ve had pneumonia. Only Christ Jesus knows why.

        Your Comment: By the way, Gloria: Is it not proper to admit, and excuse your seriously wrong information regarding MacArthur?

        My Comment: You asked me for links to prove what MacArthur has said, and I have backed it up. Where am I wrong? I’ve submitted the proof, and I can’t make you see MacArthur’s errors. Only you can compare to God’s Word yourself, and see.

        2 Corinthians 11:4 says: For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

        And I’ve compared some of John’s teaching to Christ. And it John’s teachings imply doesnt match God’s word.

        God Bless

      18. Arve,you said “Yes, the Bible have many promises regarding prayer! But it is connected to the will of God. It is not always we know concrete His will. And there are no places in the Bible promising healing and health to every person or believer.”

        Like I asked before…if you do not know yet if God wants you to die, then how do you pray you will get better?

        You said “In every situation we can rely on God and his Word and his will and way in every situation. Trust in Him. But we live on earth, in a sinful world. Only heaven is free from sickness and sorrows.”

        Yes I trust in God. And until it is clear what a situation will be…I will have hope and not doubt that the outcome will be good.

    4. Arve,

      And here is even more proof, and where you can find it.

      In MacArthur’s Bible study guide, The Superiority of Christ (Hebrews 1-2) on page 52 and following he says,

      “Did you know that when 2 Samuel was written, Jesus Christ was not the Son of God? Why? The title Son refers to Jesus Christ in His incarnation. Christ did not become the Son until He was begotten into time.”

      http://www.atruechurch.info/macarthur.html

      My Comment:

      Absolutely not true. Jesus has been always God’s son, and MacArthur needs to repent from that statement.

      John 5:23 – that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

  9. Excellent article!

    May God RICHLY bless you, Ivar. Thank you for exposing error and shining a light on this false prophet.

    Mac Arthur seeks to steal God’s glory and put it on himself which is despicable. Thanks for exposing a prideful man now cloaked in shame.

    God said, “I will not share my glory with anyone else, or the praise due me with idols.”

  10. Now it becomes real charismatic. It is never for sure, that the best for you is to be healed. Only God knows our best. Therefor, pray: “Your will (the Lords will)must happen”.

    (Please, excuse my bad English)

    1. Nyt i Natten,

      What if you don’t know if God wants you to die yet or not?
      If you do not know if God wants you to die yet, in that case, how do you pray without doubting that you are healed?
      We ARE told to pray without doubting that we have what we asked for.

    2. What is Charismatic about believing God can heal you? What is charismatic about that? I don’t get it.

      Nyt, two doctors told me my son had kidney problems. The very first thing I did was pray to Jesus, and I told the Lord I leave my son in your hands.

      Guess what happened? I go back to the doctor and I they run more tests. My son is healthy, in the name of Jesus, my son is healthy. There is absolutely nothing charismatic about that.

      Luke 18:27 But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”

      1. Nyt,

        I disagree with you. It isn’t.

        I have lived with asthma my entire life, and only Christ knows why. And just as I put my son in Jesus hands, I’ve done it with me too.

        My Dad who has served Christ for over 40 years may have cancer. I have left it in the hands of God.

        The Bible says in Psalm 103:2 “Bless the Lord, O my soul, and forget not all His benefits: who forgives all your iniquities; who heals all your diseases …”

        Are you saying you do not believe God can heal?

  11. I am handicaped, and I never pray to God about healing. I know, that God needs ill servants. I use all my time, to administrate the website Nyt i Natten, which I did’nt would have the time for, if I were well.

  12. I believe, that God can heal. But most time He does’nt. It may be for the best for us not to be healed. All things work together for the best to those, who love Him. May be, We would go astray, if we got better – God knows.

    1. Nyt,

      Your Comment: I believe, that God can heal. But most time He does’nt.

      My Comment: How could you make a statement like that? No one can. You and I do not know what goes on with the millions of Believers in Christ in other countries.

      1. I live in Denmark, and here comes a lot of false teachers, which claim to be able to heale in the name of Christ. It is a very good approach for false teachers.

        Good Night.

      2. Dear Nyt i natten.

        Shalom.

        You wrote:

        I live in Denmark, and here comes a lot of false teachers, which claim to be able to heal in the name of Christ. It is a very good approach for false teachers.

        My reply:

        Mark 16:16-18 

        Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

        (end of scripture)

        You must never be ashamed of the gospel.

        Have you never placed your hand on a sick person, prayed, and seen the Power of Jesus heal that person? If so: Why have you never taken this authority in the name of your master? Is is because you are full of fear, that this person might not get well?

      3. There are false teachers everywhere, and the Bible says we must test the Spirits to see whether they are from God.

        There are also believers in Christ, who can heal in the name of Jesus (All Glory goes to Him) always.

        Good Night.

    2. Nyt i Natten said “May be, We would go astray, if we got better – God knows.”

      I hope a believer would know for sure if they would go astray with they were healed. They should even know for sure they won’t go astray if they became rich. And for that matter…they should know for sure that they won’t go astray if they were sick, and if they became poor. We should know.

      1. I know that I won’t go astray. I have been enlightened; have tasted the heavenly gift, have shared in the Holy Spirit; have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age.
        I know, the Holy Spirit revealed it to me. It would be good for all to know.

      2. Dear Victoria.

        You wrote:

        I know that I won’t go astray. I have been enlightened.

        My reply:

        I know I might walk astray. There is a lot of deception inside the Church, and Jesus has said” WATCH OUT. Let someone sound the alarm bells.

      3. Well, I thought Nye i natten was speaking about deliberately walking away.
        I do watch out. And I know that my Shepherd will keep leading me on the right path and keep me safe.

      4. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        It might not come as a surprise that on this point I agree with you. But unfortunately all “False Christians” will do the same. Benny Hinn is sure He is saved, and on the right path. So claims the Pope, and John Mac Arthur, you and me.

        Matthew 7:21-23

        True and False Disciples

        “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

        So we better start doing the will of Our Father in Heaven. “My faith in my Faith”, is not going to save anyone.

        Do you share your food with the poor?

        Do you invite the blind and crippled to your parties?

        Do you bless your enemy?

        Do you forgive those who sin against you?

        Do you walk in the Power of the resurrection of the Son?

        Do you teach the gospel, without adding to or omitting from the scriptures?

        We all need to examine our selves, and leave self deceptions, confess our sins and stop being hypocrites. If we are honest, we are all falling short of the Glory of God. Still Jesus is more than willing to be co-workers with fallible men.

  13. JOHN MACARTHUR COMMENTS ON NEW CALVINISM

    What seems to be happening is the formation of a postmodern form of Calvinism where one embraces select portions of Reformation theology, while at the same time practicing the anti-sola Scriptura spirituality of Counter Reformation theology. With this in mind, I point you to 10 Questions with John MacArthur posted at The Christian Worldview blog of David Wheaton.

    Read the whole article at

    http://apprising.org/

    1. Dear Richard.

      Shalom.

      This kind of website is to “heavy” for me. I often wonder, is these people who writes such stuff, ever have time to GO and do the will of the Father? Jesus was not a Church politician, but used His ministry in a very practical and visual manner, out among the lost. Displaying the Power of God.

      1 Corinthians 4:18-20

      Some of you have become arrogant, as if I were not coming to you. But I will come to you very soon, if the Lord is willing, and then I will find out not only how these arrogant people are talking, but what power they have. For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of power.

      1. Its all too heavy for me Ivar. The language, the terms, the suggestions, the interpretations. I feel like I am learning a foreign language. Even your blogs and your terminology is sometimes over my head. I just want to worship the Lord and I want to make sure I’m doing it right by not listening to a false witnesses. Why is it such a challenge? Maranatha

      2. Dear Richard.

        Shalom.

        I sincerely apologize. I am a failure. If I write to high language, I need to repent. Other people say I am to simple. That my English language knowledge is so limited, that I can not understand “complicated” issues.

        Jesus knows my heart. I do try my best, but do often miss the mark. I praise my Master for his mercy and grace over my sinful life. What I am suppose to do, I am not always able to do.

        My Master Jesus never fails. Put your trust in Him.

  14. I was referring more to apprising ministries terminology. In regards to your ministry sometimes its just sensory overload. You have opened my eyes to so much deception I just have to step back and repeat to myself “greater is he that is in me than in this world.” You do great job Ivar. I dont find your language too simplistic. You havent failed. And I dont think you need to repent. My apologies for making you feel so bad.

  15. Kære Ivar.

    Jeg beder dig så mindeligt om at stoppe den ørkesløse debat, som har udviklet sig siden i går.

    Mit råd er: Vend tilbag til din tjeneste med at afsløre løgnen.

    Mvh. Lis Jensen,
    Denmark.

    1. Dear Nyt i Natten.

      Shalom.

      My Danish sister. You request me to end this debate. I can not do that. The readers of this blog decides when to stop debating certain topics.

  16. Ivar,
    The Bible says that tongues are for “unbelievers.” Since tongues are for unbelievers, will you tell me how your tongue speaking was for an unbeliever?

    1 Corinthians 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

    Let’s see how the unbelievers in the Bible were helped by tongues…

    Acts 2:5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”

    38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

    40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

    So, Ivar, again I ask you…in what way has your tongue speaking been for unbelievers?

    1. Victoria,

      I don’t get it. How is it that you can quote only a verse, and then deem your conclusion as correct by that one verse? The whole chapter is essentially speaking about gifts.

      1 Corinthians 14

      1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy. 2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b] but I would rather have you prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone interprets, so that the church may be edified.

      You single out verse 22, but the verses around it explain what Paul speaks of: the gift of tongues in the church

      22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

      Good Order in Worship
      26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

      1. Gloria,
        I understand—you don’t get it. But you still cannot answer the question. The question is: How is your tongue speaking for an unbeliever?

      2. You say to me that you don’t get it. And you ask me “How is it that you can quote only a verse”, and “then deem your conclusion as correct by that one verse? The whole chapter is essentially speaking about gifts.”

        Gloria, Do you think I only read one verse ever? Would you, an advocate of nowadays speaking in tongues, please explain to me and others how your speaking in tongues is for unbelievers? The Bible says speaking in tongues is for unbelievers. You try to reprimand me for “quoting only a verse,” so answer the question then, and use as many scriptures as you want. Let’s discuss this kindly.

    2. Victoria,

      At this point, it doesn’t matter what I say to you because I doubt that you will honestly be moved to pray to Jesus about speaking in tongues. I do not have the gift of tongues, but Jesus Christ has given me other gifts. I have seen visions and dreamed of things only My King could have shown me. Yes, some people would think that I’m crazy, but as long as I do what Jesus tells me to do, then I’m fine. My King called me at 8 years old, to do his will. Imagine that, me a sinner who never deserves to be in his presence, but Glory to Him always for loving me that much.

      As for your question about speaking in tongues, again you want me to answer one verse 22: and yet your answer can be found in reading the whole chapter 14 of Corinthians and even further.

      The ministry gift of tongues, described in 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, involves giving a message in tongues which is to be interpreted (12:10).This is a powerful sign to unbelievers (14:22).This gift is only given in certain situations, as the Spirit wills. Therefore, not all Christians are used in this gift (12:30.)

      And with this I close this conversation on my end Victoria.

      God Bless you, and I pray that you can see that all gifts from the Holy Spirit are still active to the true believer.

      1. Gloria said: “At this point, it doesn’t matter what I say to you because I doubt that you will honestly be moved to pray to Jesus about speaking in tongues.”

        You are being deceitful when you say I don’t pray to Jesus about speaking in tongues. Why do you speak a lie like that? Even after I told you I have prayed?

        Gloria said: “As for your question about speaking in tongues, again you want me to answer one verse 22: and yet your answer can be found in reading the whole chapter 14 of Corinthians and even further.
        The ministry gift of tongues, described in 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, involves giving a message in tongues which is to be interpreted (12:10).”

        Gloria, you give for your answer to “how does your speaking in tongues help an unbeliever” by just listing 1 Corinthians 12:10. Please explain how your speaking in tongues helps an unbeliever. This is very important to know, for everyone, and including you.

        Gloria said: “This is a powerful sign to unbelievers (14:22).”

        Gloria, speaking in tongues is for unbelievers. You still do not explain how speaking in tongues is for unbelievers. I know the answer, but please, since you advocate speaking in tongues…tell us your answer.

        Gloria said: “This gift is only given in certain situations, as the Spirit wills. Therefore, not all Christians are used in this gift (12:30.)”

        Gloria, I have already stated not all believers in the Bible times spoke in tongues. So how does that answer tell us how your tongues speaking is for unbelievers?

        Gloria said: “And with this I close this conversation on my end Victoria.”

        It would be good for a person such as yourself who teaches speaking in tongues to tell us how tongues are for unbelievers. Let it be known that you are closing this conversation without being able to answer the question.

        Gloria said: “God Bless you, and I pray that you can see that all gifts from the Holy Spirit are still active to the true believer.”

        You are mistaken, because the Bible tells us that not all believers spoke in tongues.

  17. Speaking in tongues are a sign for unbelievers. Yet denominations teach their patrons to speak in tongues for the believers in the church, and for personal home prayer.
    The Bible says that speaking in tongues are for unbelievers. Because unbelieving people could hear Christians talking about God in their own language, languages that the Christian didn’t normally know.

    Very rarely, if at all, will you hear of nowadays tongue speakers speaking in tongues to the amazement of unbelievers of different languages.

    To all readers who may be interested: Do not let anyone dissuade you from the truth, no matter the evil they try to say to you about you not being a true believer. They are exposed by their evil comments. Nor let anyone lead you into a false doctrine using any fear tactics.

    God bless all who want His Truth.

    1. Victoria,

      I have not disuade anyone from the truth. In fact, I have shown you through God’s Word the truth. I speak no evil about anyone, and none of my comments are evil. And the last thing I have done is lead anyone into a false doctrine with fear tactics.

      Please Victoria, I think it’s been enough for today. Let’s treat each other with respect, and bid this conversation goodbye till tomorrow.

      God Bless.

      1. You deny the truth. Here is your evil comment to me, and to all believers who don’t believe in nowadays speaking in tongues: Gloria said “I pray that you can see that all gifts from the Holy Spirit are still active to the true believer.”

        I guess you can deny what the Bible says, so you will be able to deny your own words in your face.

      2. Now if you are really done discussing like you say, then stop posting back to me with more lies to where I need to correct you and expose you.

      3. Dear Gloria and Victoria.

        Shalom.

        As I said before. A debate about tongues between a pentecostal christian and a not pentecostal Christian is a circle debate, and a waist of time. You simply are not able to agree. You latest round of email exchange…… underlines my point.

        Victoria asked:

        1 Corinthians 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers.

        This is one verse is a long explanation from Paul, and you take it out and make a long fleshy comment on that Paul has tried to teach us. Paul had the gifts of tongues, do you? I guess not. So you might never be able to understand what He said, before you accept that the gifts of tongues and the gifts of interpretation of tongues is interconnected. And when these two gifts working together, it becomes a “sign” for unbelievers. It will be a sign that the Book of Acts has been prolonged into today’s pentecostal Churches. Christianity is surely not dead. The gifts of the Holy Spirit from A to Z has not ceased. Like Paul, I do also speak secrets with God, when God communicates with me in tongues.

        Romans 8:26
        In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

        “Wordless groans”.

        Or as King James version explains to us.

        Romans 8:26 (King James Version)

        Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

        Victoria.

        That you do not want this gift, have rejected it, and called it interference from the devil, amount to sin against the Holy Spirit. That will be a sticky wicket. That’s why I said: You were so close, God lead you into speaking in tongues, but you let the devil stop you. This is one of the kind of tragic events, that takes place inside Christianity today. I can say this, because in your case Victoria, no one told you to copy-cat. How sad for your own spiritual life, in bondage to false teachings, rejecting a gift of the Holy Spirit.

      4. Victoria,

        Stop victimizing yourself. No one has done nothing to you.

        Again, I speak no evil. I spoke the truth.

        The Holy Spirit’s gifts are still active. You are just blind to it.

        Come back tomorrow if you want to discuss, but please stop the insults.

        Enough already.

      5. Dear Victoria.

        Let God be the truth, and every man a liar. We do not need praises from men, neither do we accept curses. We must obey the scriptures. Than the whole World will hate us, but Jesus would love us. His love is the only love we need.

      6. Ivar said: “This is one verse is a long explanation from Paul, and you take it out and make a long fleshy comment on that Paul has tried to teach us.”

        You give a “fleshy comment.” I just speak what the scriptures says.

        Ivar said: “Paul had the gifts of tongues, do you? I guess not. So you might never be able to understand what He said, before you accept that the gifts of tongues and the gifts of interpretation of tongues is interconnected.”

        I guess that advice is from the Bible? Or from fleshy Ivar?

        Ivar said: “And when these two gifts working together, it becomes a “sign” for unbelievers.”

        That is not biblical, Ivar. That’s the gospel according to you, and not the Truth. The Bible says speaking in tongues is not a sign for believers, but for unbelievers. You added “And when these two gifts working together, it becomes a “sign” for unbelievers. Wow, Ivar, you should repent for adding to the word of God.

        Ivar said: “Like Paul, I do also speak secrets with God, when God communicates with me in tongues.”
        You interpret your gibberish? I guess you can make up what you said too? Or, if you don’t interpret—your mind is fruitless. I think fruitless explains your mind about this.

        Ivar said: “Wordless groans”.
        Or as King James version explains to us.
        Romans 8:26 (King James Version)
        Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.”

        Ivar, speaking in tongues is speaking, and it is not groans. You are misled and teaching falseness. When all we can do is groan, the Holy Spirit intercedes. I guess when you groan in tongues?

        You should repent, Ivar.

      7. So tell us, do you “groan” in tongues? When did speaking (uttering) become no uttering and only groans? I guess you followed false teachers, and now you want to teach others false things too?

      8. Dear Victoria.

        Shalom.

        You broke your own instructions. You said you would never again be in agreement with a man like me. Leave it Victoria. This circle debate has to end somewhere.

      9. So do speak (utter) in tongues, or do you groan in tongues? Is it speaking to you or not? I see the truth is hard for you to accept. You have been led astray by false teachers of Romans 8:26. I hope it bothers you so much when you speak gibberish, and when you listen to others doing it. And I hope the scriptures I gave you bother you so much that you are never comfortable again practicing falseness.

      10. Ivar said:”You broke your own instructions. You said you would never again be in agreement with a man like me.”

        I guess you can repent? Do you really have so much hard time understanding things and figuring things out?

  18. I’ll try this one more time.

    1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

    Who is this person speaking to? ” For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God:..”

    It says he’s not speaking to men, he’s speaking to God. “..for no man understandeth him..”

    What is he speaking? “…howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.”

    1Co 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

    Who is being edifeid? “He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself;..”

    1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

    If he interprets who receives the edifying? “…except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.”

    Further on it says,

    1Co 14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
    1Co 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
    1Co 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

    Who will think they are mad if they hear them speaking in tongues?? “…and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers”

    What happens if they are all prophesying?

    1Co 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
    1Co 14:25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

    I believe Paul is referring to Isaiah when he says “Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not..”

    Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
    Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

    This is why it’s a sign to unbelievers.

    1. Dear Dave 1543.

      Shalom.

      This site is a site of debate on faith. Also about the gifts of tongues.

      I feel you are doing great, but it is frankly a waist of time. Only when Jesus leads people into the immersion of the Holy Spirit, people who do not have these kind of gifts will understand. It is also called Baptism by the Holy Spirit. Some people who have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit, do not reject that there is an immersion like this. They are wise.

      As long as it is mentioned in the Bible, how can they reject, something that has never happen to them?

      Some people who are truth mockers, rejects that such an immersion can take place. Dave. We must learn from Jesus. Leave such people alone. Pointless spending time, trying to explain to them something they have rejected.

  19. It is unreal how the modern Pharisees make proclaimations from a postion of Creator God when they are totally ignorant. For any man to proclaim the Holy Spirit and gifts to be closed is both ignorant and false. However, I do think John M. I a wonderful teacher. He like others who post here are ignorant and someday they will be shown. It does no good to argue. If they have accepted Jesus Christ they will live eternally and I am happy for them. They do create confusion in the church just like those who are abusing spriritural gifts for their own personal use are doing. There is much abuse of gifts or graces of the Holy Spirit to draw attention to self in the church. These are reasons why the ignorant in the church make such proclamations that they have ceased. My mother was the strongest Christian I have ever known. She accepted Christ but felt weak and asked God to fill her so she would be able to serve him. She was a completely new Christian and she was praying when God poured out tongues on her. She never used her tongues in church which I believe is wise because I believe we speak our language and it is effective. However, she received power when the Holy Spirit came upon her and she spoke in tongues. Anyone who denies this is ignorant and following evil and repent and I am speaking of those who are writing in this forum. This is a sin of John M. as well. He needs to repent of this sin and evil. But does that mean he is not a Christian and brilliant teacher, no. In fact I learn a lot from him. If he was willing and knew me he could learn some from me as well as you other people in this forum. But if your minds and ears are closed then I pray for you and feel sorry for your ignorance. Most of the time I do not like tongues in church at all but to proclaim all such Holy Spirit gifts as carnal or devil inspired is ignorant and evil and if you have read this I rebuke you and admonish you to repent. John M has absolutely not witnessed the Holy Spirit perform a miricle. I have personally. I do not seek miricles I seek the kingdom of God and Jesus Christ but I have seen God at work and assure the Holy Spirit is alive and working in many lives. Too bad so many are so ignorant. I am not a Pentecostal nor a Baptist or anything, just one who follows Jesus Christ and the Bible as God’s word.

    1. Steve,

      I am a Pentecostal Christian, who believes in Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and God.

      Though I do not speak in tongues, my sister in law who is a Christian does. She is communicating with God when she does. She did this outside of the church as she was speaking to me about Christ. She did not care who saw her, who thought she was crazy, because she was communicating with our King.

      John M, cannot have his cake and eat it too. He might tell you that he believes in Jesus, but to deny the Holy Spirit, means you are denying Christ.

  20. In Acts 1:15 In those days Peter stood up in the midst of the diciples, and sid, the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty.
    Jesus” apostles were ALL filled with the Holy Ghost (Spirit) and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. vs 7 they were ALL Amazed marveled, saying one to another, BEhold are we not all these which speak Galilaeans? How HEAR WE every to man in our own tongue, whrein WE were born? Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamia, Judaea, Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia…Acts 2:4, 7-9 . I dont remember were in the bible but it says, if we get up and speak in tongues, what good is it if the person do not know what you are saying?

  21. thank you ivar for pointing this out. j. macaurthur is on my radio station and if you listen to what he says in his teachings, you would think that he is a very good teacher. however, as you point out he denies the gifts and power of the Holy Spirit. when i heard this lie i said, “thank God it is too late for me, i already speak in other tongues and walk in the gifts of the Spirit!” a little drop of poison in the milk will still kill you! God bless and keep you in Jesus name.

    1. Dear john daugherty

      Shalom, and love is Jesus.

      John Mac Arthur is good in exposing the errors of the Word of Faith movement. And they have surely fallen into a ditch. But Mac Arthur has fallen into another. You must not deny the work of the Holy Spirit, because there are false spirits performing miracles, and false “super apostles” doing signs and wonders. Rather use sound judgment and discenment to separate right from wrong, and true from false.

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