This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.
In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad.
Qurans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.
The concept of Chrislam, now embraced by such preachers as Rick Warren and Robert Schuller, appears to have emerged from a program on the meaning of “love your neighbor” at Grace Fellowship Church in Atlanta, Georgia
“In 2001, like most Americans, we were pretty awakened to the true Islamic presence in the world and in the United States,” says Jon Stallsmith, the outreach minister at Grace Fellowship. “Jesus says we should love our neighbors. We can’t do that without having a relationship with them.”
Stallsmith maintains that a rapprochement between Muslims and Christians can be achieved by the fact that Jesus is mentioned twenty-five times in the Quran.
Source: The Last Crusade
My Comment:
Unless they repent from their sins, those who head and even join The Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church will have a lot of explaining to do when Jesus Christ comes with judgment. To even suggest that because the Quran mentions Jesus 25 times, that this would mean that we should believe in the lies of Mohammed is a huge mistake, and through this deception many are lead into the eternal pit of the damn. That Rick Warren and Robert Schuller believes in this unity does not surprise me, for both men are false “prophets” and deceive many. To read articles on Rick Warren: Click Here.
There are so many reasons why we as Christians must take the Holy Word of God as the complete truth. To do otherwise, or even to twist God’s words around, you risk where you will spend eternity That Jesus Christ is God is mentioned several times in the bible, but the blind refuse to see the truth.
Isaiah 43:10,11
“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Muslims take this scripture to think that the Lord is God and that’s where it ends. But that is a huge mistake. Here is another verse where Jesus Christ says he is God.
John 8:58
Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Did you get that? Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM. And in case you missed it here is another one, where Jesus Christ sends a very serious, strict message to those who do not believe in him.
John 8:24
“Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”
It isn’t too late to repent. Pick up the Holy Word of God and repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.
Written by: Gloria
Repons from the Pastor:
The allegations contained on this website are a pack of lies. Despite demands to have this slanderous material immediately removed the author/owner refuses to do so. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the father of lies. Be warned, this website is knowingly and maliciously spreading lies about this congregation and its ministry. Those who believe what’s written here are either naive or are also in league with the destroyer. I am the pastor of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston. We are an evangelical congregation deeply committed to the proclamation of the gospel for the salvation of humankind. We hosted a program that was designed to help our members become more familiar with Islam and as an evangelisitic outreach to Muslims to help them understand what their own book says about Jesus. We have never nor will we ever place Qur’ans next to Bibles in our pews. I have never, nor will I ever teach about the inspiration of Muhammed. Visit our website, listen to my messages and you will hear the truth. To any who are reading this, be warned, this website deliberately tells lies. Anything you read is suspect. Why this website willfully and deliberately tells these lies is a mystery to me. I will demand once again that this fallacious and slanderous information be immediately removed from this webiste. David Peterson, Pastor, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church, Houston, TX
Update: I apologize for the incorrect photo. I have replaced the photo with a correct photo of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church. In doing even further research, I’ve concluded that my findings are true. This “Jesus in the Quran” promotes a false Jesus that is not preached in the Holy Word of God. I also believe that you can speak to a Muslim about Jesus Christ with respect, making it perfectly clear that the Quran is based on lies, and at the same time stating the truth: Jesus Christ is God, and that He is the only one that saves. (Written by: Gloria)
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The great falling away (from faith) have surely begun. Maran Ata, Lord Jesus!
Unless this is some sneaky way to introduce Muslims to John 14:6 I dont get it?
Richard,
They are combining the Word of God and Mohammed’s lying word saying that because Jesus is mentioned 24 times in the quran, there must be some connection and some truth to it. But the Bible clearly says in 1 Timothy 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
I belive the quran falls in the catagory.
God Bless,
Gloria
It is what it is and that is this so-called christian church aligning itself with a false prophet and false god. They are sealing their fate.
Satan dwells in that place along with the UNredeemed GOATS!!!
In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad.
Lessons such as behead those whom dont believe in the moon god and massacre innocents in cafes by blowing yourself up whilst at the same time somehow managing to convince the western media that islam is a religion of peace.
Tom,
I am truly saddened at the amount of people who refuse to see the truth in Jesus Christ, and decide to twist is Word, and mix it with lying prophets like mohammed.
God Bless,
Gloria
Well, here we go. One world religion coming up. You can bet Obama is all for it as he is a muslim who just recently said his christian belief sustains him in his presidency. What a liar he is, along with all the other muslim liars who will say anything to push their agenda. Anybody who gets fooled by schullers and warrens false doctrine of heresy really needs to get right with God while there is still breath in their lungs. This is serious business folks. Chrislam??? What GARBAGE!!!!! Just wait til the pope puts his seal of approval on it. The world will go down the toilet fast. They are all false prophets. Or should I say profits. I can almost hear the footsteps of Christ coming soon.
I can almost hear the footsteps of Christ coming soon.
Amen Gaston! Christ is near.
I am afraid the one who looks like ‘Tutankamen’ is not sure what he is. I here a Michael Jackson coming on. I am Christian, no I am Muslim. We need to ‘buckle up’ and get ready for this ride. I have a ‘plan’ that I have discussed with a couple of pastors to stop this madness of Islam.
It is quite simple. You find a common ground that Jews, Christians, Messianic and seculars can agree on…The Ten Commandments. This and other laws in the ‘Old Testament’ is what our country, the United States Constitution is based on.
Next, we must say NO TO SHARIA LAW. Exodus 12:49 says there is one law for the homeborn and one law for the ‘strangers in your gates’ or ‘foreigners’.
If they want to be ruled by SHARIA LAW, they must return to their own countries that practice this. If they are found doing it, they and their family will be exported back to their country of origin. If they were born in the United States they will go to prison or elect to go to an Islamic country of their choice.
Next, say NO TO WEARING BURKAS AND HIJABS IN ALL PUBLIC PLACES. These are not only used to intimidate but men can wear these also and you may remember that this is how Arafat escaped, wearing dress and veil.
We will soon have websites and will be looking for a ‘few good spiritual warriors’ to spread this vital word around the around this country.
This is our first enemy. Our next one is just around the corner. We have been complacent for too long. It is time to bring the Elohim (God) of the Bible back in this land and to restore the 10 commandments in every church, synagogue, courts of law and place a big one in the ‘white house’.
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger said, “I’ll be back”.
Dear friends, in my humble opinion, is it right to call a liar a prophet? I would at least use quotation marks around the title, when naming the socalled “prophet” Mohammad.
Lars,
I have adjusted the article and included the quotation marks around the word “prophet.”
God Bless,
Gloria
Galatians 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
“TRUTH” speaks for itself, let’s pray that the HOLY SPIRIT will reveal this blasphemy before its too late for many of these people.
Amen Jean.
As a Muslim and an American it is right to believe in your faith and respect all other faiths as well. Respect is the key value that takes a person a long way. As said by Malcolm X, “A man who stands for nothing with fall for nothing.”
RQO,
As a Christian the Word of God does say to respect you. But as a Christian the Word of God also says that we are to teach about Jesus Christ the Only Savior. Here is a bible verse from OUR KING The Messiah.
Proverbs 22,17-21
Pay attention and listen to the sayings of the wise; apply your heart to what I teach,for it is pleasing when you keep them in your heart and have all of them ready on your lips.
So that your trust may be in the LORD, I teach you today, even you.
Have I not written thirty sayings for you, sayings of counsel and knowledge,teaching you true and reliable words, so that you can give sound answers to him who sent you?
Islam does not respect Christianity. I direct doubters & dissenters to Surah Al-Fatihah 6-7, Surah Al-Baqarah 2:161, Surah At-Taubah 9:29 & 30.
Turn to Surah An-Nisa’ 4:157 to learn that Islam denies Christ’s crucifixion, death & resurrection. Turn to Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:91 to discover the denial of his paternity. Turn to Surah Maryam 19:30 to see the denial of his divinity.
Turn to Sunan Abu Dawud 37:43.10 to learn that Muslims love Jesus as a genocidal warlord who will return to exterminate us.
For those who imagine that I am a liar, I submit to you this blog post which contains the full documentation:
http://snooper.wordpress.com/2008/05/22/the-defamation-of-jesus-christ/
I invite you to cross post, copy and send that blog post as an email attachment. Make your Pastor aware of objective factual reality.
Sad but true….that this Nation …but not all people..has sold it’s self to deny God’s Word….
The allegations contained on this website are a pack of lies. Despite demands to have this slanderous material immediately removed the author/owner refuses to do so. Jesus said that the devil is a liar and the father of lies. Be warned, this website is knowingly and maliciously spreading lies about this congregation and its ministry. Those who believe what’s written here are either naive or are also in league with the destroyer. I am the pastor of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston. We are an evangelical congregation deeply committed to the proclamation of the gospel for the salvation of humankind. We hosted a program that was designed to help our members become more familiar with Islam and as an evangelisitic outreach to Muslims to help them understand what their own book says about Jesus. We have never nor will we ever place Qur’ans next to Bibles in our pews. I have never, nor will I ever teach about the inspiration of Muhammed. Visit our website, listen to my messages and you will hear the truth. To any who are reading this, be warned, this website deliberately tells lies. Anything you read is suspect. Why this website willfully and deliberately tells these lies is a mystery to me. I will demand once again that this fallacious and slanderous information be immediately removed from this webiste. David Peterson, Pastor, Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church, Houston, TX
Dear Dave.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Your comment has been added to the article. Now the readers have got the full message.
(Editor).
Dave,
First you said: The allegations contained on this website are a pack of lies.
And then you followed up with: “I am the pastor of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston. We are an evangelical congregation deeply committed to the proclamation of the gospel for the salvation of humankind. We hosted a program that was designed to help our members become more familiar with Islam and as an evangelisitic outreach to Muslims to help them understand what their own book says about Jesus.”
MY COMMENT: As a pastor you willingly hosted a program to explain about Islam and Jesus. IT WAS YOUR JOB TO TELL THEM THAT THE BOOK OF ISLAM IS A LIE, AND THAT JESUS IS GOD. I’m going to guess that you didn’t and that you placated everyone instead. You are a supposed man of God, and you need to take a stand on the lies being spread of Christ. Yes, the devil is a liar, and that’s where you should rebuke and teach the correct Word of God.
What you should have told these people who believe in Islam or want to learn about it was:
John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
That is what you need to teach Muslims, so they can learn the truth about Christ and be saved.
This article was not intended to slander you. But I wrote it, in hopes that instead of you helping “Muslims understand what their own book says about Jesus”…instead you help Muslims understand that Jesus Christ died for their sins.
God Bless,
Gloria
Well done !!!! right to the point, we need more of this
Dear Allen.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Well done !!!! right to the point, we need more of this.
My reply:
The theme of the blog is to expose fake and falsehood. That is a challenging task. When the co-editors on this blog make a mistake, and we will surely to, we will issue proper apologies.
There is surely a need for more exposure of apostasy in the Church. We will not stop writing articles about such spiritual disasters.
Gloria, seeing that you seem to have expertise in this area, I have a couple of questions:
How many Muslims have you reached out to?
How many have you ministered to, or prayed for?
How many have you seen changed by your approach in evangelizing?
Using the verse that you quoted: “John 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”
What has been your response from Muslims?
I ask because I truly want to know. My response has been that without establishing a relationship, quoting verses really doesn’t help in outreach to the Muslim community..If you’ve had a different response, I would really love to know more about it.
However, if I can be honest with you – after reading your comment I am tempted to think that you have come to your conclusions by reading right-wing conservative blogs and watching FOX news, and that you haven’t really evangelized Muslims in your community. If I am wrong on this, feel free to correct me..
I also am willing to bet that you didn’t take the time to research the series and Memorial Drive Pres before your rebuke of their pastor.. I am also wondering if you even read the full chapter of John 8 before quoting the verse here.. Either way, I challenge you to revisit it & look at the context of John 8.. It’s ironic that Jesus is talking to Pharisees about the validity of His testimony..
While I respect your passion, I don’t respect your attitude, and false accusations. I don’t respect your rebuke of a pastor who is following the example of Christ, and doing so by educating his members on a topic most won’t touch.. It seems that the lack of education have lead Christians to believe Muslims can’t be reached by the gospel – an opinion I feel is represented in your comment.
I attend memorial drive presbyterian
I am not a blind-follower.. If I felt that Dave was preaching “Chrislam” I would be the first one out the door, because that’s not biblical.
I live in a community that has a large muslim population and have never known what my responsibility is in sharing the gospel, and how I should go about doing it in a way that’s effective & doesn’t do more damage than good..
Truth is, we are called to spread the Gospel.. We are called to love one another, and called to disciple others. We are called to love our enemies, even to the point of ” an eye for an eye” not being the response Jesus calls us to have with out enemies.. As Christians in today’s culture with Muslims, and radical Islams what does it look like to follow the Great Commission.. This is what has been explored through the series at Memorial Drive Presbyterian & I ask that you really take some time before posting things like this on the internet..
Words are strong, if you feel that Dave is out of line in his teaching, send him an e-mail with questions, and your views.. Do something productive, and unifying. We are all believers, and here for the same reason..
Em,
Your Comment: Gloria, seeing that you seem to have expertise in this area, I have a couple of questions:
How many Muslims have you reached out to?
How many have you ministered to, or prayed for?
How many have you seen changed by your approach in evangelizing?
My Comment: Where is it that I said I had expertise in the area? Please show me this. Where is it that I said I’m an expert? I don’t think I ever said that, but if I did I want you to point it out. You ask me questions about Muslims. When I speak about the Word of God, I speak it to black, whites, catholics, latins, hindus, muslims, so I apologize if I haven’t actually “counted” the Muslims I have spoken to about Jesus Christ. When I speak about Christ, I speak it with respect, because that is how I like others to treat me. There is never a reason for disrespect, but the devil is a liar, and will use anything including disrespect to bring a person down. This is why I say read the bible completely, and put on the full armor of God.
Your Comment: My response has been that without establishing a relationship, quoting verses really doesn’t help in outreach to the Muslim community..
My Comment: The other day I was taking a cab ride home, and praying to Christ. The Holy Spirit wanted me to tell the driver, that Jesus Christ is coming soon. Have you ever had the Holy Spirit ask or tell you to do something? I have a few times Em, and if the Holy Spirit wanted me to tell a Muslim, to repent that Christ is coming soon, then that is what I’d do. In that instance, I would and had no time to “establish” a relationship. But I did what Christ wanted me to do.
Your Comment: However, if I can be honest with you – after reading your comment I am tempted to think that you have come to your conclusions by reading right-wing conservative blogs and watching FOX news, and that you haven’t really evangelized Muslims in your community.
My Comment: Acutally I know nothing about right wing conservative blogs, and I do watch news. Not just Fox, but ABC, and CNN.
Your Comment: While I respect your passion, I don’t respect your attitude, and false accusations. I don’t respect your rebuke of a pastor who is following the example of Christ, and doing so by educating his members on a topic most won’t touch..
My Comment: You are free to your opinion that is fine. But JIQ is wrong. This website does not preach that Jesus Christ is the only one that saves. The concentrate more on what the Muslims believe, and that is wrong.
Your Comment: It seems that the lack of education have lead Christians to believe Muslims can’t be reached by the gospel – an opinion I feel is represented in your comment.
My Comment: Actually Muslims, Hindus, Catholics CAN be reached by the Word of God.
Your Comment: I attend memorial drive presbyterian
I am not a blind-follower.. If I felt that Dave was preaching “Chrislam” I would be the first one out the door, because that’s not biblical.
My Comment: I figured that out from the beginning that you attended. That is your perogative.
Your Comment: I live in a community that has a large muslim population and have never known what my responsibility is in sharing the gospel, and how I should go about doing it in a way that’s effective & doesn’t do more damage than good..
My Comment: I live in a heavily populated state, where many non-believers live, and preaching the Word of God with respect and love is a good place to start.
I do love everyone. We are all sinners, and should reach the non-believers of Christ with respect and love.
Your Comment: Words are strong, if you feel that Dave is out of line in his teaching, send him an e-mail with questions, and your views.. Do something productive, and unifying.
My Comment: I have. You just can’t see it. But with this post, I do hope and pray that some if not all get the urge to pick up the Word of God and read the truth.
God Bless,
Gloria
Does not the sign to this church say “Chrislamic”?
That is yoking Jesus’ name with the name of unbelievers.
The Word of God says not to be yoked together with unbelievers.
2 Corinthians 6:14
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers.
Actually Victoria the sign above is the Cumberland Presbyterian Church. Though not associated with Memorial Drive, I believe they have the same thought in mind. To find a common connection with Islam and Christianity.
There is no common connection, because Islam preaches Jesus Christ was just a man. Of course me and you both know, that Jesus Christ is Our King and Messiah, and not just a man.
I have updated the name of the church in photo.
Dear Gloria.
Shalom,
You have published a great article. The Pastor has commented, and his comment has been published inside the article. Now the reader can make up his own mind, if you or the pastor tells the truth.
Thank you Ivar. I would not have published it without doing research, and I have reviewed the information and still back my story.
God Bless,
Gloria
You sir, are the naiive one. Your job, Pastor, is to protect the sheep (Ezekiel 34 and I suggest you read that). Islam wants to kill the sheep. Where have you been? You don’t see what is going on in the world? We don’t need to understand the books of Islam to understand who Jesus or Yeshua was.
Trinity folks who have always denied Jesus was anything but a second person will fall for Islamic deception because they say Jesus is not the father in creation and that leaves a big gap for them to place any other deity in the office as God. Jesus is the Father in Creation. Jesus is the Son in Redemption. Jesus is the Holy Spirit in Reconciliation. There is only ONE God and Jesus is his name. Obey Acts 2:38 before it is too late.
Allah is not God, Allah is the Arabic pagan moon god formerly known as Baal who the Philistines worshiped.
Dear Charles.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Trinity folks who have always denied Jesus was anything but a second person.
My reply:
Absolutely wrong. “Trinity folks” believe Father, Son and Spirit is One God. All God the Creator. The Alpha and Omega.
You wrote:
Thanks for this article Gloria! It’s a crazy reality what is happening…
Yes, it is, and we have little time left on this earth.
God Bless you Sue.
Gloria
I have visited this churches website, and had my aunt that lives in the Houston area to to attend the church this past sunday. No evidence at all suggest they are promoting a pro christian/islamic alliance. I cannot even find any evidence of any kind of outreach to the muslim community. Christians are instructed by the Lord to spread his word as found in the Bible to all men. If the author of this website would like to conatct me with factual information to support these accusations it would be welcomed.
Logical,
Visiting a church’s website in no way tells you what is being taught. There is evidence that does suggest a christian/islamic alliance, and that they’ve taught this.
Christians are instructed to speak the truth, and 2 Corinthians 11:4 says: For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
I am the Executive Pastor at Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church. The article above by Dr. Williams makes several statements about MDPC which are absolutely false. I urge you to disregard anything Dr. Williams cites about this church and its ministries, and do the same with other websites and blogs which are spreading these lies. We have received several calls and emails from people who have visited this site, and the statements about MDPC are untrue and slanderous. I would ask Dr. Williams and others to examine the facts, and recant these falsehoods.
For the record, MDPC has not preached a sermon series trying to bring about ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam. Likewise, we have not offered Sunday School classes in which we teach the writings of Mohammed. Furthermore, we have not placed copies of the Quran next to our pew Bibles. These accusations are fundamentally untrue.
Please feel free to visit mdpc.org to listen to our sermons, Bible studies, and examine our beliefs and values. You will find that we are a church that preaches and teaches the centrality of Jesus Christ, as God’s sole means for reconciling humanity to Himself. Please examine the facts and do not believe what other people are saying in ignorance.
This situation stems from MDPC hosting a seminar, several months ago now, called Jesus in the Quran. Some have wrongly interpreted this as MDPC trying to reconcile Christianity and Islam. The truth is, the JIQ seminar seeks to equip people to reach out to Muslims with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Our sole purpose in hosting this was evangelistic in nature. We hoped people would be better equipped to have redemptive conversations with Muslims, and help them open their hearts to Jesus Christ.
This is the truth, and I urge you to refrain from commenting on something without knowing the truth or the facts.
David,
Your Comment: The truth is, the JIQ seminar seeks to equip people to reach out to Muslims with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Our sole purpose in hosting this was evangelistic in nature. We hoped people would be better equipped to have redemptive conversations with Muslims, and help them open their hearts to Jesus Christ.
My Comment: I have seen the flier you have distributed when this “meeting took place.” One of the flier statement reads:
“The purpose of this training is to provide you with an introduction to Islam,while gaining a deeper appreciation of God’s heart for the Muslim people. You will learn how to let go of fear and enter into meaningful friendships with your Muslim neighbors.”
David, what should have been said on the flier: the purpose of this meeting is to instruct you on how to speak with Muslims, and tell them the truth: that Jesus Christ died for their sins, resurrected and that he is coming soon. You should have also said: that Mohammed was a liar, and that Mohammed false teachings leads many into the wide gates of hell.
I have also seen the “Jesus In the Quran” website, and they pretty much endorse Mohammed’s lies.
Further more: “Dave Peterson wrote earlier: We hosted a program that was designed to help our members become more familiar with Islam and as an evangelisitic outreach to Muslims to help them understand what their own book says about Jesus.”
As I pointed out, I do not understand that concept. What you and Peterson should have done was tell these Muslims that Jesus Christ is the only that saves, and that he is God.
Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not always right, and if I do turn out to be wrong, I’ll apologize.
God Bless
Gloria
The Jesus or Isa of the koran is not the jesus of the Bible, they are two different persons, the koran one is not Gods son who never died for our sins, the Bible one is Gods son who doed for our sins. Muslims often use the Koran Jesus to convert undiscerning and gullible westerners into their flock thinking the same god lie. We have nothing in common with the moon god of arabia nor the butcher.
This article is an mean-spirited blatant misrepresentation of the facts. It is the definition of biblical slander. MDPC does not have Qur’ans in the pews, go and see for yourselves, I did. The seminar they recently hosted, “Jesus in the Qur’an” was taught by conservative christian followers of Jesus along with a born-again messianic Jew.
It is true that the recent events of MDPC are a sign of the end times, but only insomuch as they are a fulfillment of the Matthew 24:14 foretelling of Jesus that “all the nations would hear, and then the end will come.” MDPC is committed to seeing this commission fulfilled.
Dear Chris.
Shalom.
I have a copule of questions, I would like you to answer before I make up my mind.
1. Was this signboard ever set up in front of the Church?
If yes. Did Gloria have a reason to comment on it?
The signboard does not tell me about a seminar about Jesus in the Koran, but rather about a “Church” that has submitted to the message from Islam. And mixed up two religions into one.
If the signboard picture is a hoax, kindly let us know. And I am sure Gloria is willing to remove the photo, and correct the article.
Here is the website called Church Sign generator: http://www.says-it.com/churchsigns/
You can copy and paste this into your web browser and find the exact picture of the sign the article illegidly refers too (which doesn’t exist at the church). It is such a farce. It looks like Gloria already removed the picture because it proves her statements are a hoax and blatant misrepresentatin of the facts.
I know Jon Stallsmith personally. He’s a good pastor who loves Jesus and wants others to know Jesus also…especially Muslims.
Chris,
Since you didn’t read my update posted above on the article, I’ll copy and paste it here so you can read it.
Update: I apologize for the incorrect photo. I have replaced the photo with a correct photo of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church. In doing even further research, I’ve concluded that my findings are true. This “Jesus in the Quran” promotes a false Jesus that is not preached in the Holy Word of God. I also believe that you can speak to a Muslim about Jesus Christ with respect, making it perfectly clear that the Quran is based on lies, and at the same time stating the truth: Jesus Christ is God, and that He is the only one that saves. (Written by: Gloria)
Also if you think the article is a farce, please feel free to submit proof so we can review it.
God Bless.
Chris,
I disagree with you. The article is not slander, and based on the information I acquired, the article is the truth. But more importantly, Christ tells us 2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
And I believe I’ve done just that my comparing the mistake MDPC did, to what Jesus teaches us.
well nerxt we will see Islam try too take over more and more! them we will see them takeing our state government over them we will start seeing more and more beheading. when are people going to learn
We won’t see any of that if those calling themselves Christians, Jews, Messianics do something and stop moaning and groaning and whining and crying. If we cannot fight for what is our we need to hand it over to the enemy. But for now, take all the soldiers out of Iran, Afghanistan and bring them home because we have another problem on our southern border.
Hello Eyeofthesparrow:
We must pray to Jesus Christ Our Savior and leave all in his hands. He is the only one who knows the outcome to all, and the only one who is King and is Coming Soon.
God Bless,
Gloria
@Tom: You are right. Inside the dome of the Dome on the Rock (which is not a mosque, btw!) it is written in Arabic: “Allah has no son, speak not that allah has a son, worship allah alone”.
This corresponds with 1John 2:22…
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist , that denieth the Father and the Son.
GOD’S WORD, through the Holy Spirit , will stand on its own. There is no need to compare and contrast. Through the hearing of THE TRUE WORD, and conviction of the Holy Spirit, will man come to know the ONE TRUE GOD. Bringing false teachings into the sermon is blasphemous,and unholy. Even allowing a koran in the Holy Place of church is blasphemous. You can not “reason” or argue with the Evil one. Put on your full ARMOR OF GOD and confront evil with the TRUTH. If they reject it , it is their own salvation at risk. Do NOT confuse young minds or Christians in your church by even mentioning of false scripture.The evil one is looking for opportunities to sow seeds of rift, confusion , and lies. STAY STRONG, PASTORS. STAY TRUE TO THE WORD. Let the Holy Spirit , do the convicting. YOUR JOB , is to teach the TRUTH. That and that alone!!! another thought….why stop at the koran,,,,,,,,,,,why not compare and contrast the book of mormon, satanic bible, scientology, dahli lahma teachings, Hindu writings, books of witchcraft, Do yo u see what you are opening yourselves up to? Islam is only ONE OF MANY FALSE TEACHINGS. We come into contact with fellow Americans of all of the pursuasions. Imagine if you started comparing and contrasting all of these teachings in your church!! I think this would displease God very much. Again, I emphasize, just TEACH HIS WORD, ONLY….KEEP YOUR CHURCHES HOLY!!
Dear Sister,
I appreciate your desire for the truth and after reading and rereading the article and your comments to others I think one thing in particular needs to be clarified for this dialog to proceed with integrity. First, not only do the teachers of JIQ and the people of Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church maintain the Bible as their sole source of authority without addition, so do they also affirm the full humanity, messiahship, sonship, incarnation, priesthood, and sacrificial death of Jesus, as it is accurately portrayed in the Bible. They do not give this lip service; they live it everyday and have risked their lives, along with the lives of their families, to make the name of Jesus, as He is revealed in the Bible, known in the world.
What you are struggling with is not the Jesus they are testifying about, I’ll explain that in a minute; what you have a problem with is how they are doing it: You believe the best way to testify about Jesus is through polemics (telling Muslims that their religion is wrong, their Prophet is not a prophet, and their book corrupted) and apologetics (telling Muslims that our religion is right, Jesus is the only way, and that the Bible is the only inspired Word of God). This is fine; if you are seeing this approach bear fruit for God’s Kingdom, bless you in it. What they are teaching, however, is not a contrary gospel to yours but a contrary approach to making disciples.
Let me explain: You have maintained that the JIQ people and MDPC are seeking to harmonize the Jesus of the Qur’an with the Jesus of the Bible in order to make a syncretized religion, “Chrislam.” That is inaccurate. But in order to understand why that is inaccurate, you must understand, not their doctrine, but their approach to disciple-making.
There are three biblical paradigms they are working from that inform their approach to disciple-making: first, the model of John the Baptist; second, the incarnational model of Jesus Christ; and third, the witness of the Apostle Paul. Allow me to extrapolate these ideas further.
First, John the Baptist’s ministry was a ministry of leveling the ground so that the soil of people’s hearts would be fertile for the Lord’s coming. In essence the gospels describe his ministry in terms of Isaiah 40:3 “A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.’” (Matt 3:3). In addition to this, John B’s sermon series could be titled, “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is near” (Matt3:1), the same sermon series that Jesus preached over and over, as well as demonstrated with mighty acts (Matt 4:23). Take these two together and you have the first foundational element of the JIQ people’s approach to disciple-making: they teach Jesus the King and the arrival of His Kingdom, and they do so by trying to remove the obstacles that Muslims have to being able to receive Jesus as their King, just as John B did.
Second, they model their disciple-making approach after Jesus’ incarnation as it is described in John chapter 1 and Philippians 2:5-11. Just as Jesus, who subsisted in the person of God as the Word of God, did not regard his equality with God something to be held on too, he instead took off his heavenly garments and came to earth in the form of a man. In other words, he came to us while we were still sinners (Romans 5:8). He learned Jewish language, culture, economics, politics, and the Rabbinic educational system and limited himself within these confines in order to reveal the reality of God’s Kingdom. Within these confines he took 12 disciples and taught them step-by-step the Ways of the Kingdom of God. This is the second foundational element to the approach: the JIQ people have worked hard to learn the Islamic language, culture, religious authorities, etc…in order to move into their paradigm and worldview so that they might lead some, in a step-by-step process of disciple-making, into a relationship with the King. This is where you are having a hard time accepting their approach.
They have learned what the Qur’an says about Jesus in order to start a conversation about Jesus in territory that Muslims are familiar with and then move the conversation, step-by-step, toward the fully revealed nature of Jesus as represented in the Bible Just as Jesus took three+ years to help his 12 disciples move from ignorance of the Kingdom to full knowledge, so the JIQ people seek to teach others how to do the same. That is what the whole JIQ conference is about. You have to start somewhere, and they start in Muslim territory, utilizing their sources and understanding of Jesus from the Qur’an, in order to move them forward into full knowledge.
Third, they look to Paul the Apostle and his models for bearing witness to the truth of Jesus and God’s Kingdom. In Acts 17 Paul is brought before the Areopagus to testify. He says this, “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: To an Unknown God. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship – and this is what I am going to proclaim to you” (17:22-23). Later in that sermon Paul appealed to pagan Greek texts in order to explain the full nature of God’s Kingdom and its King, Jesus. He is quotes, “For in him we live and move and have our being,” and “We are his offspring” (17:28). The first is a quote from the Cretan philosopher Epimenides and the second a quote from the Cilician Stoic philosopher Aratus. Whether or not you agree with using outside sources to begin a conversation about Jesus with someone, there is at least a biblical precedence for doing so.
The article that you quoted says that the JIQ people and MDPC affirm the authority of Muhammad’s teachings. If the Qur’an says something like this: “Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and closest in company to God” (3:45), basically affirming the biblical truths that Jesus is Word, Messiah, and closest in company to God, (albeit not the full revelation of Jesus) this is my questions: are they affirming Muhammad’s teachings as authoritative, or are Muhammad’s teachings affirming the Bible’s authority? If they are in agreement with the Bible, is this a viable starting place?
You may not agree with their approach, but please stop slandering their character, their faith in Jesus as the only Way to the Father, their lives lived in sacrifice to the Kingdom, and their desire to see Muslims come to know Jesus. If you do think they are in error or sin, then you are in direct violation of Jesus teachings of how to deal with sin anyhow: “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector” (Matt 17:15-17). Consider the damage you are doing to the unity to the Body of Jesus, in the public domain no less.
Hello Chris,
You said: You have maintained that the JIQ people and MDPC are seeking to harmonize the Jesus of the Qur’an with the Jesus of the Bible in order to make a syncretized religion, “Chrislam.”
My Comment: In researching what I’ve written, I’ve visted the Jesus in Quran website. Besides, listing a long list on Jesus being in the Quran, nowhere did it specifically say that the “Jesus” in the Quran is not the true Jesus of the Holy Word of God. It simply was not listed on their website. Wouldn’t you think that this is something that is very important, and should be listed on their site?
Since the MDPC chose to associate themselves with JIQ, do you not think this would have been one of the first things as a Christian on your mind?
You said: Consider the damage you are doing to the unity to the Body of Jesus, in the public domain no less.
My Comment: That is the last thing I would want to do is any damage to the unity of the Body of Jesus. But in this day and age, we must be aware more than ever, and careful not to be deceived by the adversary.
God Bless,
Gloria
Dear Sister,
I do understand your concern, however, I would submit that silence on an issue on a website does not mean they are silent on the issue…in fact they are very bold witnesses to Jesus Lordship. Also, like I said above, the website is for Christians who have never read the Qur’an, not for Muslims who have which is why they put all those verses there. Again, their intent is to help Christians learn how to talk to Muslims about Jesus by giving us a place to start the conversation.
I’m not sure where you live but go back to the website and find out where they are holding a conference near you and go see for yourself: I will even pay your way so that you don’t feel any conflict in giving them money. Meet them in person and then make your determinations. If after you have listened to what they proclaim with their mouths, not what they are silent about on their website, and you decide that they are still trying to harmonize the Bible and Qur’an, then your warnings to the Body will at least have some vailidity to them. But for now, you are still working from a lot of hearsay. The Kingdom of God is about people and community and cyberspace is simply not the same as face-to-face contact. I live in Houston and would love to sit down with you face-to-face.
Blessings,
Chris
Chris,
The website isn’t clear period. They give no mention of the sacrifice Jesus made for us that day on the cross. The most important event ever. You don’t find that to be a problem?
Also I am in the US, but no where near they hold these conferences, or not even close to Houston.
God Bless,
Gloria
Very well put chris
Dear Sister,
I would like to submit this evidence for your consideration and then request you submit a follow-up article retracting your previous statements about MDPC and the JIQ people, anything less than a retraction will not suffice and my original accusation of slander will stand.
This is the url address for Grace Fellowship Church in Snellville, GA the church that developed and owns the rights to the JIQ seminar, which you can copy and paste: http://gfc.tv/snellville/connect/grace360/training/
Here is their website description of JIQ verbatim: “Our primary, essential training for local church folks with a desire to share their faith clearly with Muslims. This Friday night and Saturday training helps give a biblical foundation and practical tools, including a general overview of the content of the Qur’an. We schedule four weekend trainings in Atlanta each year, in addition to international trainings. For more information, registration, and dates, please visit the JIQ website here.”
This likewise is the url address for their churches’ statement of faith, which you can copy and paste: http://gfc.tv/snellville/about/what-we-believe/
And here is their exact statement in its entirety:
“•We believe the Scriptures, both Old and New Testaments, to be the inspired Word of God, without error in the original writings, the complete revelation of His will for the salvation on men, and the Divine and final authority for Christian faith and life.
•We believe in one God, Creator of all things existing in three persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
•We believe that Jesus Christ is true God and true man, having been born of the Virgin Mary. He died on the cross as the sacrifice for our sins according to the Scriptures. Furthermore, we believe that He arose bodily from the dead, ascended into heaven where, at the right hand of the Majesty on High, He is now our High Priest and Advocate.
•We believe that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to glorify the Lord Jesus Christ and that during this age His purpose is to convict men of sin, regenerate the believing sinner, and indwell, guide, instruct, and empower the believer for godly living and service.
•We believe that man was created in the image of God but fell into sin and is therefore lost. We believe that only through regeneration by the Holy Spirit can salvation and spiritual life be obtained.
•We believe that the shed blood of Jesus Christ and His resurrection provide the only ground for justification and salvation for all who believe, and only those who have received Jesus Christ as their personal Savior are born of the Holy Spirit and thus become the children of God.
•We believe that water baptism and the Lord’s Supper are ordinances to be observed in the Church during the present age. We do not believe, however, these ordinances are to be regarded as the means of receiving salvation.
•We believe that only those who are thus members of the true Church shall be eligible for membership in the local church.
•We believe that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Head of the Church, and that every local church under Christ has a right to govern its own affairs.
•We believe in the personal, premillenial, and imminent coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and that this Blessed Hope has a vital bearing on the personal life and service of the believer.
•We believe in the bodily resurrection of the dead; of the believer to everlasting blessedness and joy with the Lord, and of the unbeliever to judgment and everlasting conscious punishment.
•We believe in the existence of angels who worship God. We also believe in the existence of Satan, the devil, a fallen being, who with his demons opposes God, His people, and His work, but over whom Christians can have spiritual victory.”
Now, I have spent entirely too much time defending these dear saints and politely request you retract your statements previously made by blogging a follow-up article that reveals the truth about these matters and remove the above blog article and statements from your website.
Blessings,
Chris
Dear Chris.
Shalom.
I feel for asking you some questions”
1. Is Muhammad a false prophet? Yes or no.
2. Is “allah” God. Yes or no.
3. Do all Muslims have to accept Jesus as God, to be able to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? Yes or no.
After you have answered these questions, I might request the co-editors to debate if we shall remove this article or not.
Peace to you as well:
You coaxed me back into this dialog.
Allow me to answer your questions with more questions:
Let’s start with question 2 first, “Is Allah God?”
My question to you is this: “Is ‘God’ the One described in the Bible?”
This of course is a linguistic question that clarifies your question because You are asking both a linguistic question and a theological question.
Here is the linguistic answer to both my question and yours: The word “God” itself is a borrowed word from the germanic/English language and until it was ‘Christianized’ in the MIddle Ages it referred not to the biblically revealed Creator of the Bible, but to a pagan deity. Furthermore Arabic has only one word for the Most High Creator and that word is ‘Allah’. Thus Arab Christians have referred to the biblical God as ‘Allah’ for centuries. In fact you simply won’t find a translation of the Bible in Arabic without the word ‘Allah’ in it.
To continue this argument, you have heard it said that ‘Allah’ was the pre-Islamic word used for the pagan moon-god. There is some scholarship that suggests this to be true; however, there is equally good and probably more comprehensive scholarship that suggests the term ‘Allah’ was developed from the plural Hebrew word ‘el-ohim,’ which in its singular form is ‘elaha.’ Archaeological digs in the region suggest that Arab caravans and traders doing business in the region borrowed the word and Arabicized it into ‘Allah’ as they heard it from the first century Jews. In fact ‘Allah’ was more than likely the very term spoken by the Holy Spirit to the Arabs present in Acts chapter 2 when all the people heard Peter speak about God in their own tongue.
With that said, I ask you: are modern day Jews, who reject YHWH’s Self revelation through Jesus, referring to the same ‘YHWH’ that we, who accept Him by means of His incarnation, are referring too?
If you say ‘yes’ to that question, you have just answered your own question (“Is ‘Allah’ God?”) in the affirmative, becuase you have allowed for a term to be applied to the One true God, that in Jewish terms does, not have the full revelation of God in mind. If you say, ‘No the Jewish ‘YHWH’ is not the ‘YHWH’ that we know in Jesus Christ,’ then why are you so affirming politically, ethnically, and theologically of a group of people that reject Jesus as Messiah and Incarnate Word, but are so disparaging of another group that likewise reject Jesus as Messiah and Incarnate Word?
Now to your third question “Do all Muslims have to accept Jesus as God to enter the Kingdom of Heaven?” You are asking how does one enter the Kingdom of Heaven/God?
Answer: One may only enter the Kingdom of Heaven/God through faith in God’s mercy, which has been offered freely to all through the Great Sacrifice of Jesus the Messiah and Incarnate Word.
Now for your third question: “Is Muhammad a false prophet?” Muhammad affirmed the virgin birth, explicitly states in the Qur’an that Jesus was God’s Word breathed into Mary’s womb, continues by saying that He is Allah’s Mercy, affirms his Messiahship, miraculous power and sinlessness, and even says that Jesus was killed by God and then raised up to him and now sits near stationed to God (see the online article called “Did Jesus Really die on the cross” at the following URL (which you will have to copy and paste): .yale.edu/faith/downloads/rp/DidJesusDieEnglish.doc.
Of these items I do not disagree with Muhammad, but because he said and did many other things that do contradict God’s revelation of Himself in the person of Jesus the Messiah, I cannot affirm him as a biblical prophet.
Blessings,
Chris
There Chris.
Shalom.
You just convinced me that this article must stand.
You failed the test. The correct answer is that Muhammad is a false prophet, and “allah” the Arabian desert demon. Jesus is God. The Father, Son and Spirit is One God. Three in One.
Wow Chris. I am very glad that Ivar asked these questions.
I agree with Ivar completely. The article stands.
Jesus Christ is our Savior. God is not Allah, and Mohammed was defintely a false prophet.
Chris,
Your comment: Now, I have spent entirely too much time defending these dear saints and politely request you retract your statements previously made by blogging a follow-up article that reveals the truth about these matters and remove the above blog article and statements from your website.
My Comment: I agree with Ivar. The questions he posted should be answered. And then if necessary, I will post the links I have come across also.
FYI: The links you posted above do not work.
God Bless,
Gloria
Hi all. I personally attend MDPC, and have attended it my whole entire life. I can assure you that these accusations are completely and utterly false. I have never seen a Quran next to the Bible’s in our pews. Nor has pastor Dave Peterson, and the associate pastors claimed that Mohammad was true and whatever else you are falsely accusing MDPC of. It’s truly un-Christian like to post an article so full of lies about another Church of God. If you truly feel passionate about this topic, and believe we are “Chris-lam” I encourage you to come to MDPC yourself and find out the TRUTH about the Church I have grown up in.
I attend Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church. I have read through this post and your blog. I find some troubling statements in your premises for this post:
“This weekend, the Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church in Houston along with Christian communities in Atlanta, Seattle, and Detroit will initiate a series of sermons that have been designed to produce an ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam.
In addition to the sermons, the Sunday school lessons will center on the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad.
Qur’ ans will be placed in the pews next to the Bibles.”
Where did you get this? None of this happened the way you are stating it.
First, at Memorial Drive Presbyterian Church (MDPC), there were no sermons about “ecumenical reconciliation between Christianity and Islam”. However, there were seminars presented by dedicated Christians who spoke, from experience, about interacting directly with Muslims who come to understand that Jesus is the Way. They are very effective at getting Muslims to understand that Christians are not their enemy. We share the common enemy: Satan.
Second, there were no Sunday school lessons that centered on “the inspired teachings of the Prophet Mohammad”. MDPC has many Sunday school classes – none were dedicated to this. However, again, there were seminars (special events) that discussed where Islam and Christianity understand the same thing. This information is used, by the Christians who presented these seminars, to bring the peace of Christ to the world, and to increase understanding about how to get into the Kingdom of God. The presenters are very good at that. The information shared in these presentations is shared with Muslims. The purpose is to get more of us into the Kingdom of God.
Finally, Qu’rans are not in the pews, …never have been. Where did you get that?
If you want to create peace anywhere (I’m not sure you do), violence, in any form, bears little fruit.
The idea was to share information about a population on our planet that we perceive is interested only in destroying us. I do not believe that Islam is dedicated to our destruction. “Some” individuals who claim to be Muslims are. These violence-seeking Muslims are as negatively regarded by many, non-violent Muslims as by us.
You seem to be looking for only the answer that “Mohammad is a false prophet”.
You cannot end conflict without some kind of dialogue. Dialogue is not argument. Dialogue is about finding commonness and building on it.
I have a question for you. How do you gain believers? Do you beat them with “The Truth”? I have not seen that in the gospels as a method for gaining new believers. Jesus talks to people where they are, within their current understanding, not where they aren’t. For a person to believe, they must hear. Do you give them time to process what they hear? Is it a one-time message? Are they damned to Hell the first time you bring up salvation, and they do not respond that they are now believers?
Lucky for me, Jesus is my Lord and Savior, not you. He has invited me; you offer little salvation in your message. I am sure you will have some off-the-mark response to this post, as you have for everyone else who has responded about the inaccuracies in your post.
Note: You state that the website links offered by others do not work. I was able to open every mentioned link. Remove the leading “.” from the Yale link, and you will see the document referenced. yale.edu/faith/downloads/rp/DidJesusDieEnglish.doc
By the way, at least the other websites mentioned by you state what their purpose is. Yours does not. What is your purpose?
Dear Jim Crain
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
Lucky for me, Jesus is my Lord and Savior, not you. He has invited me; you offer little salvation in your message. I am sure you will have some off-the-mark response to this post, as you have for everyone else who has responded about the inaccuracies in your post.
My reply:
I am blessed by everyone claiming that Jesus is their Lord and Savior. I hope my comment was inline with your expectations?
In regards to Muhammad, He is a false prophet. This is a matter of debate, and I do debate with Muslims. I have been lucky to be used by Jesus, to lead some few Muslim to faith in the Messiah.
Jim,
Your Comment: I have a question for you. How do you gain believers? Do you beat them with “The Truth”?
My Comment: I gain nothing, for I am a sinner just like everyone else. But I do tell them the truth, that only Christ can save. That Mohammed is a false prophet and liar. And that Christ is coming very soon.
Psalm 25:5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
Gloria
You should get your information correct before you put it out in a public forum. I attend Grace Fellowship. As a believer that has walked with the Lord for almost 40 years, enjoyed fellowship with believers from many varied groups within the Body of Christ over the years, Grace Fellowship is Christ centric, biblically sound, and passionate about reaching out to the world for the cause of Christ. Your description, your assumptions and your comments lack accuracy, truth and therefore add to the purpose of the enemy to divide the body. I encourage you to do your homework next time. Show the fruit of one who is mature and can discern and not act to polarize.
Chris,
You said: As a believer that has walked with the Lord for almost 40 years, enjoyed fellowship with believers from many varied groups
My Comment: These varied groups, did you tell them that Only Jesus Christ Saves? Did you speak of Jesus Salvation? That is the most important to tell others about Jesus.
God Bless,
Gloria
Gloria,
Chris plainly states in his post that his church is “Christ Centric”.
There are not going to be any Qurans in the pews at MDPC. It’s amazing how a simple plan to reach out to Muslims in the love of Christ is so controversial. But then again, Jesus got in trouble for the same type of thing over and over again.
The point here Rick was would you take a Muslim into your church and speak how Jesus Christ can save them? Because that is the most important.
Or would you take a Muslim into your church and read from the quran, and try to find some connection between the Living God who comes soon, and the “Jesus” that the Muslims depict?
2 Corinthians 11:4
For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.
There was and will be no reading from the Quran to try to find a ‘connection’ between God and the ‘Jesus’ depicted by Muslims. None. Can I be any clearer? This is beyond bizzare.
Jesus/Yeshua, in the NT had problems with the leaders who were connected with the Temple. There were no concerns about other religions since Israel already had a mandate of not consorting with them. There was no christianity/islam, during the time of Yeshua/jesus.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a load of crap in my entire life. MDPC has never had Qurans in their pews next to Bibles. Where did this start?
Gloria, while I cannot confirm every detail you write, I too have information regarding them hosting a JIQ seminar. I have been through one of the JIQ seminars and it is complete heresy. This is a fast growing movement throughout the U.S. For more information visit http://www.biblicalmissiology.org or see my video at http://vimeo.com/26811006.
Tim Snell
Pastor
Christ’s Church of the Valley
Appleton, WI.
another resource about JIQ and what they teach can be found in my analysis of the statement issued here in Wisconsin by the JIQ host church – Christ the Rock Community Church. It can be found at http://www.ccvappleton.com/content.cfm?id=332&download_id=188#attached_content
If I had a choice, I’d prefer to go to hell through the gates of the world than to go straight to hell from a Christian pulpit or pew. This news that I’ve discovered is so wrong on every levels. – sigh- COME LORD JESUS QUICK cause I cant take anymore of this pagan worship mixed with subtle hints of Christian worship. Satan really has these folks blinded, but thanks be to God, as long as there is life there is hope. Just dont let it be too late because He is coming like a thief in the night…..
informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear islam…
the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace. even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology….
Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.
The evil koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.
Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.
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You so called Christians baffle me. Seriously, your litmus tests for truth are based on your own beliefs and interpretations of Bible verse and these interpretations most of the time contradict each other depending which Christian sect you profess. Your self-righteous indignation for anyone else’s belief system is evident in your comments. You are all so convinced that if others didn’t exactly believe how you do, even though they profess a belief in Christ, that their salvation is in jeopardy. I say hogwash to you and remind you of the two greatest commandments: 1) Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, might and strength and 2) Love thy neighbor. I call you to repent and stop being self-righteous judges in Israel and start being the people the Lord expects. Stop trying to tell people how to be Christian based on your personal beliefs and interpretation of the Bible and start showing people how to be a Christian by your works on this Earth. Serve them, for Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Hello Gloria.
I know the JAQ curriculum very closely, as I have attended their seminars on at least three separate occasions. Gloria, you are misunderstanding their goal and their method.
JAQ’s purpose is not to foster “Chrislam,” but rather to get Muslims to read the Bible. Muslims typically have been taught that the Bible is corrupt and cannot be trusted. FORTUNATELY, some intelligent Christ-followers have taken the time to study the Qur’an and see what it actually says. And while much of it is entirely deceptive, there are actually passages in there that entreat Muslims to read and trust in the Bible! JAQ’s approach is to get Muslims to actually read their book and realize “hey, apparently I should read the Bible too.” They have many stories of Muslims who begin studying the Bible because someone took this approach with them, and now they have placed their faith in Christ.
Their goal is not to equate Jesus in the Qur’an and the Bible, but rather to shift Muslims view of Jesus from a Qur’anic / traditional Islamic view to a view that is Biblical and true.
They even say at the beginning of the seminar, every time, that they DO NOT BELIEVE that the Qur’an is the inspired word of God. Do they give Qur’ans out at the seminars? Yes. Shockingly, if you want to know what it says (for the purposes of understanding the Muslim mindset) it helps to read one. It also helps to build a friendship with a Muslim if you tell them “Hey, I love you enough that I took the time to read the Qur’an so that I understand your views.”
Get your facts straight before you accuse. The JAQ staff are EXCELLENT teachers, committed to the Bible, and longing to see Muslims turn to Christ. Anyone who attends a seminar would tell you the same thing.
Grace and Peace in the name of Christ, sister.
Good Afternoon Matt,
I simply cannot agree or will enter a church who says they believe in Jesus Christ, but when I sit down to praise Jesus, there is a Quran placed right next to the Holy Word of God.
You said, “And while much of it is entirely deceptive, there are actually passages in there that entreat Muslims to read and trust in the Bible! JAQ’s approach is to get Muslims to actually read their book and realize “hey, apparently I should read the Bible too.”
My comment: You speak seminars, and I’m speaking about walking into what is supposed to be the HOUSE OF THE LORD, and finding a book that contradicts everything Jesus says.
God Bless,
Gloria