BBC Radio 4 claims Jewish King David was in the Bible’s “only gay relationship”.
This is reported by LifeSiteNews.com.
On a literary program, one of a series on the historic Bible translation, aired on Sunday, January 9th, playwright Howard Brenton claimed that David had been in love with Jonathan, the son of King Saul.
“To a secular reader the story of David and Jonathan’s love is obviously homosexual, the only gay relationship in the Bible.” Brenton acknowledged that the idea is “controversial.”
The King James Bible, approved by King James I of England in 1611, is renowned even among non-Christians for the beauty of its 17th century English translation;
it was the first Bible to be published in the English language. The King James was prepared by a team of 47 of the best Bible scholars of the day and remains one of the most widely read versions in the English speaking world to this day.
Source: Christian Telegraph.
If you read the Bible while you are making dinner, it is possible to cook up any story.
The truth about King David being “gay”, is like claiming Silvio Berlusconi desire to have sex with men, while His bed is full of young half naked women.
If you read the Bible with both eyes open, you can not miss out King David loving beautiful young ladies, also one he should not have had sex with.
But God the Father, Son and Spirit forgave David, and turned this sin into a blessing for Israel and the World. Out of this act of adultery came King Solomon and the first Temple in Jerusalem.
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David could have swung both ways though . . . I mean it would stand to reason . . .
To even suggest that David was a homosexual pervert, is blasphemy.
1 Timothy 1:10
for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine.
In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
(end of scriptures).
As you know, the men i Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with men. A perversion yesterday, today and forever.
U serious bro?
You’re reading quotes from the New Testament… that entire book is a man-made fraud. The only thing that can really be trusted, with respect to laws of morality, is Genesis.
The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were not punished for their sexual “deviance” rather they were punished for being inhospitable to guests in their land. Instead of immediately welcoming them into their tents (as Abraham did for God in the chapter right after where he receives the Holy Covenant), they demand that Lot give them up for sex. He has to sacrifice his daughters to the mob so his guests may escape.
Saying King David and Jonathan weren’t in a homosexual relationship is sort of like saying that there was nothing gay about Frodo and his hobbit buddy kissing each other at the end of the third movie. It’s willfull blindness.
The important thing to remember about the Old Testament rules is that it was meant to keep people safe from disease.
The fact is, if you go around taking (….censored for filthy language.editor). up your (censored…Editor). without a condom, you’re gonna die from AIDS. It’s that simple. What God is saying is, if you really want to be in a gay relationship, you must yield to either fidelity or self-control in order for it to be sanctified by God.
The fact is, if you go around taking (….censored for filthy language.editor). up your (censored…Editor).
I just permitted your comment, to let people how much filthy language there is among people who claim to know “god”. If you do not repent, your next message will be spammed.
The Bible is not to be misunderstood. Homosexuals must repent from this kind of sinful sexual relationships. So must all who commit adultery, and all who tell lies or worship idols.
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
You said: What God is saying is, if you really want to be in a gay relationship, you must yield to either fidelity or self-control in order for it to be sanctified by God.
My Comment: Do not twist the Word of God to suit your need. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that.
(I John 3:4) 4 Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.
Blasphemy huh I sometimes hate Christians with their so called degrading words to b so called followers of Jesus you guys are the most meanest religion you wld think Muslims cause of radical fundamentalist but USA is mostly Christian an if u mess with us we comin to blow your country up I don’t get it how can an entity so violent be followers of the merciful non violent Jesus Christ of course their is always war but USA always in some countries business telling them they not living right cause their culture or beliefs an will persecute u just like a Christian would I’m not a Muslim or any religion I believe In GOD AND TO TREAT OTHERS RIGHTEOUS AN I WILL BE IN HEAVEN I love everybody gay or not and u are entitled to ur opinion and if u having sex without being married or lusting for other women while being married jus havin the thought is perversion cause your nature rises off those thoughts but hey who am I say what’s right or wrong but I bet it’s people on this blog that swear their right off what they read or heard but if one of u tell me GOD came to u personally an TOLD U it was true then I’m with u but if u going off a story or man made truth then u r subject to disbeliefs
You said: Jesus you guys are the most meanest religion you wld think Muslims cause of radical fundamentalist but USA is mostly Christian an if u mess with us we comin to blow your country up
My comment: There are many in this world unfortunately, that calls themselves christian. I’ve even heard catholics call themselves Christian. The word has been thrown around a few times. BUT because some people give themselves such a name, DOES NOT mean they are followers of JESUS. Do not be like those that are blind, and do not see the TRUE WORD OF GOD. Open up your eyes, because JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY!
John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Well . . . a certain Daniel Helminiak has apparently researched the Bible’s attitude towards homosexuality and has concluded that “the Bible supplies no real basis for the condemnation of homosexuality”. He even wrote a book to that effect: ‘What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality’ (2000). Using the studies of Yale historian John Boswell (‘Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe’), New Testament seminary professor L. William Countryman, and others, Helminiak examines the story of Sodom (where the sin was inhospitality), Jude’s decrying sex with angels, and five texts — Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, Romans 1:27, I Corinthians 6:9, and I Timothy 1:10 — all of which, he concludes, “are concerned with something other than homogenital activity itself”.
In other words, different strokes for different folks, meaning that one man’s anti-homosexual Bible text is another man’s book containing stories about a Jewish man named David who harboured homosexual desires.
Unless you are a follower of the dynamic duo of Hodge and Warfield who launched the idea of Biblical inerrancy back in 1881, you will have to admit that textual analysis and reader perception are what give the Biblical stories meaning and content.
As a Zionist and apologist for Israel, it strikes me as odd that you have such strong feelings on the words written down by some anonymous bronze age scribes, and here I am referring to the authorative work of Richard E. Friedman.
As for the Kingdom of David being the origin present-day Israel, I suggest you have a look at Shlomo Sand’s latest book.
Please explain to me these two Bible verses.
They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men
Who translated these lines from the Greek and what do the original lines say??? Or what about the original Hebrew passages???
1 Corinthians 6:9 (Amplified Bible)
Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,
Just have a look at Friedman’s book ‘Who Wrote the Bible?’ . . .
Romans 1:27 (Complete Jewish Bible)
and likewise the men, giving up natural relations with the opposite sex, burn with passion for one another, men committing shameful acts with other men and receiving in their own persons the penalty appropriate to their perversion.
I see you are very good at evading questions and sticking your head in the sand . . .
Oh well, mustn’t grumble . . . I suggest you join a yeshiva and study the Talmud . . .
I suggest you join a yeshiva and study the Talmud . . .
Since you have flagged that your are a secular Zionist, this comment exposed you as a truth-mocker. If you had been a truth-seeker, you would have been set free from homosexual sins by obeying the Word of God.
The Talmud is not the Word of God, but a book of Jewish Rabbis interpretation of scriptures, they them selves are less interested in obeying.
Oh my, you’ve got me all wrong . . . For one thing, I am fervent anti-Zionist and think that the state of Israel really has no right to exist, as it is nothing but a European/American colony in the Middle East, just like originally envisaged by Theodor Herzl (1860-1904).
I was referring to you as a “a Zionist and apologist for Israel”.
And, I am not homosexual either . . . yet I do not obey the Word of God.
you all realy think king david was gay it cleary states in the bible these very words was said by god himself any man who has sex with another man shall be put to death so if david was gay do you realy think god would favour him i belive david used to play a musical instrimunt to god and it pleased the lord so if david was gay i doubt he would of even been mentioned in the bible and i saw comment saying david and johns relationship was sexual have you ever herd of realy good freindship coz your all sad twats who dont have good freindships you dont have a …..(CENSORED). clue i could spink you all out with only a few words you realy dont no nothing you can come back with some clever remarks but belive me you no nothing
Dear Gods messenger.
I have censored your last remarks because of filthy langauge. If you do not change, I will spam you.
spam me then you sadow if it makes you feel a big man ?
This is very sad.
I hate it when people assume things that they don’t know about.
We weren’t there. I don’t think anybody can just derive a conclusion of what someone did or did not do.
The Bible is a book of faith, reducing it to some scientific and pragmatic tool is something I find quite disturbing.
I think I will stand firm on my belief in Jesus’ words and his works. Whatever his ancestors or his disciples did, I leave the judgment to God.
THere is nothing gay about the friendship David and Jonathan had. People are too ignorant to understand CULTURE! People in those CULTURES would kiss, hold hands and such in hgih respect and companionship. For a man to say he loves another man can be brotherly love or friendship love. Stop using ignorance to prove homosexuality is OK with the Bible when it is clearly not OK.
Thomas you go kissing men on their lips and see what other thinks. There is no reference of David kissing women including his wife.
Messenger of God is quiet right. “IF” David had shown or given any signs he was gay to God, God would had dropped him like lighting . He did punished him and Bathsheba with 2 rotten sons, but even then, he took him back. This unfounded stupid rumor was probably started by one or many envious of the Christian religion, like Muslims, Atheist you name it.
KING DAVID MYSTERY REVEALED !!!
IT IS WRITTEN YOU SHALL NOT ADD TO YHVH[GOD,S] WORD!!! AND YOU SHALL NOT TAKE away !!!!
He who has My Commandments
and OBEY MY COMMANDMENTS
AND DO IT,THE BLESSINGS WILL OVERTAKE YOU……..
CONFUSION AND CHAOS CANNOT REVEAL THE PRINCE OF PEACE,
HOLINESS WILL REFLECT THE IMAGE OF A KING…,A SOUL OF
A BELOVED KING… BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE …
THROUGHT A SEED…
PLANTED IN A WOMB….ASK THE PROPHETS AND YAHVEH
WHO IS THE KING OF YAHVEH?….WHO IS THE KING OF THE CITY OF DAVID? WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE NATIONS? UNLESS THE RUACH HAKODESH OPEN THE BLINDED EYES AND OPEN THE DEAF EARS… .
YOU SHALL BE CONFUSED WITH SPEECH AND STRANGE IMAGES !!! STILL PARTAKE THE FORBIDDEN TREE OF KNOWLEDGE,GOOD AND BAD, BABILON CONFUSION OF THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE.
YAHSHUA MEANS SALVATION…NOW SEEK FOR THE KING,
THE KING SAID…SHMA…LISTEN!!! THE WORDS I SPEAK……IS SPIRIT!!!AND LIFE!!!
FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT REVEAL TO YOU
THE COVENANT BETWEEN YAHVEH AND MELECH DAVID!!
EVEN A CHILD WILL UNDERSTAND THESE WORDS … they will serve the LORD their God and David their king, whom I will raise up for them.! \THE BLINDED EYES NEED A TOUCH FROM THE RUACH HAKODESH TO SEE WHAT WAS HIDDEN BEFORE THEIR OWN EYES. SEARCH FOR THE pearl
. Psalms Scroll composed by King David …It is written about me in the SCROLL…I COME!!! TO DO YOUR WIILL!!!
I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him
And I the Lord will be their God and my servant David their ruler; I the Lord have said it.
“‘My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees… and yet you have not been as my servant David, who kept my commandments, … My mercy will I keep for him for ever more, and my covenant shall stand fast with him. For My Own Name’s Sake Will I Do It, and For My Servant David’s Sake Shall it Be Done … even as I had spoken it through My servant, called Beloved; … I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd “I have made a covenant with my CHOSEN ONE
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself
“And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read. And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,
‘The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovery of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.’
And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. And he began to say to them, ‘Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.’”
– Luke 4:16-21
And I the Lord will be their God and my servant David their ruler; I the Lord have said it. … and my servant David prince among them; I, Yahweh, have SPOKEN IT.
MATTANIAH 30 th July 2015
So it,s ok that David goes against GODS commandments so then it turns to a blessing for the jews with the birth of solomon even though its an act of adultry,it seem,s that one must keep that jewish link to David regardless that it is a wrong in GODS eye,s but oh its david god forgives,God was not so forgiving of Adam /Eve and there temptation when really they were like children in there understanding.But David being born of flesh of man and being matured in mind is forgiven..thats convenient to connecting the dots.if i do not keep GODS commandments am i not condemned
David was a man after Gods heart. David knew well and good that he was a sinner, and never tried to deny that. God lives in a high and a lofty place-but also with him who is humble and contrite. God resists the proud but exalts the humble. The PUBLICAN (not the religious zealot) went home justified before God-because he fully recognised his actual true spiritual condition “dead in sins and trespasses”. Even the great prophet ELIJAH had this revelation “take my life Lord, I am no better than my ancestors” (ie no better than Adam) The foolish person refuses to humble themselves and repent, because of pride. David never tried to excuse himself, blame anyone else or otherwise attempt to justify his adultery, he confessed it as sin, and repented-and lived with its consequences too