The president of the Lutheran World Federation, Bishop Munib Younan wants to celebrate “Holy Communion” with the Pope.
Bishop Younan has said before meeting Pope Benedict XVI that their churches should issue a common statement on Holy Communion to mark the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation that Martin Luther began in 1517.
“Our [the Lutheran federation’s] intention is to arrive at 2017 with a common Roman Catholic-Lutheran declaration on eucharistic hospitality,” Younan told the Italian Protestant news agency NEV the day before his 16 December audience with the Pope.
In a speech at his meeting with Younan, Pope Benedict praised the progress that he said had taken place in Catholic-Lutheran dialogue but did not make any reference to the bishop’s Eucharist proposal.
“Eucharistic hospitality” means that Catholics would be able to receive Communion at a Lutheran celebration of the Lord’s Supper, and Lutherans would be able to do the same at a Catholic Mass. Catholic doctrine currently forbids such bilateral acceptance.
The Second Vatican Council, held from 1962 to 1965, said that Protestants, “did not keep the genuine and integral substance of the eucharistic mystery”.
On 31 October 1517, Martin Luther published 95 theses critical of the papacy, which set in train the Lutheran Reformation. In 1999, the Catholic Church and the LWF signed a joint declaration on the doctrine of justification (how a person is saved), which was one of the main points of contention between Catholics and Lutherans in the 16th century.
At the audience with Bishop Younan, Pope Benedict described the 1999 declaration as, “a significant step along the difficult path towards re-establishing full unity among Christians and a stimulus to further ecumenical discussion”.
The Pope added, “In these years leading up to the 500th anniversary of the events of 1517, Catholics and Lutherans are called to reflect anew on where our journey towards unity has led us and to implore the Lord’s guidance and help for the future.”
Younan is bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, based in Jerusalem.
Source: Christian Century.
There are a few things that the Lutheran Movement do not mention in their bid for full union with Rome.
1. Will the Pope accept the Bible as the highest and supreme authority in matters of faith.
If not, what kind of Union can there be?
2. Will the Pope stop to worship idols, skull, bones and corpses?
If not, what kind of Union can there be?
What does light and darkness have in common?
3. Will the Pope announce the humanity of the Jewish mother of Jesus. That she was born with sin, had children, and is not the pagan Queen of Heaven?
If not: The “Lutheran Catholics” have corrupted their faith, and sails on the same ship of fools as the Pontiff.
The Bible clearly talks of Great Deception and that many people will believe the Great Lie and be dammed.
I am in full agreement with your comments. The true Church of Jesus Christ will NEVER accept the rule of the Pagan Pope and the Vatican. America is asleep at the switch and completely unaware or cares about what is going on with the Pope. Remember, just a few weeks ago the Pope went to England and met with leaders of the Anglican Church. I’m sure they discussed much about church unification over tea!
Jesus is coming very soon for His Church!
Thanks for blessing me. To expose the truth, comes with a price. Most of the claimed to be Christians have already fallen into deep sleep, or as Pink Floyd explained in the movie “The Wall”. They have become comfortably numb.
DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
JESUS’S PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL.
I WANT TO CORRECT FEW INFORMATION ABOUT OUR MOTHER VIRGIN MARY. FIRST OF ALL, OUR JESUS DID NOT BORN FROM SINFUL BODY AND SPIRIT. THAT ALREADY OFFEND JESUS WHO IS SON OF ALMIGHTY GOD. JESUS WAS CONCIEVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT AND BORN OF THE VIRGIN MARY.
IN HUMAN MIND,IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. BUT IT WAS POSSIBLE IN GOD. GOD SAID HONOR YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER. MOTHER MARY WAS MOTHER OF JESUS WHEN HE WAS BORN IN HUMAN LIFE. HE WILL BE NOT PLEASED IF ANY ONE OFFEND AND DISRESFECFUL TO HIS MOTHER. WHAT ABOUT YOU
IF ANYONE DISRESFECFUL TO YOUR PARENT?
CATHOLIC CHURCH DOESNOT WORSHIP MARY. WE RESFECT AND HONOR HER. AS WE PRAY ROSARY WITH HER(NOT TO HER) SHE HELP US TO BRING CLOSE TO JESUS(AGAIN NOT TO HER). AS WE BELIVE IN NAME OF JESUS, PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS(INCLUDE POPE)AS JESUS DOES NOT JUDGE YOU BUT GIVE US OCEAN OF MERCY AND FORGIVENESS. I RECOMMEND THAT YOU SHOULD MORE GET TO KNOW HISTORY OF CATHOLIC CHRUCH YOURSELF. FIRST OF ALL, GOD IS LOVE. LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF. I PRAY THAT HOLY SPIRIT WILL GUIDE YOU TO RIGHT PATH.
GOD BLESS YOU
CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT WORSHIP MARY.
Do you claim that Mary is the Queen of Heaven? Yes, or no?
If yes. Where in the Bible, have you found permission to use such a name on her?
Do you claim that Mary was born without sin, lived without sinning, and was forever virgin?
If yes: Show me one verse is the Bible, that prove you to be right.
Here are some quotes frrom Martin Luther.
“I said formerly that the pope was Christ’s vicar; now I assert that he is the devil’s apostle.”
“…The wrath of God is coming upon the papists, the enemies Of the cross of Christ, that all men should resist them. You then, Leo X, you cardinals and the rest of you at Rome, I tell you to your faces: “If this bull has come out in your name, then I will use the power which has been given me in baptism whereby I became a son of God and co-heir with Christ, established upon the rock against which the gates of hell cannot prevail. I call upon you to renounce your diabolical blasphemy and audacious impiety, and, if you will not, we shall all hold your seat as possessed and oppressed by Satan, the damned seat of Antichrist; in the name of Jesus Christ, whom you persecute….”
There are more but no need to go on. So, if this was his view, why do guys like Bishop Younan call themselves Lutheran. Are they trying to convert the pope or has the pope converted them?
Are Martin Luther’s views taught in Lutheran schools? I showed this to a 14 year old girl and asked her what she thought. Her reply, “Makes no sense”.
It reaaly doesn’t make sense in the outward appearance. I wonder if the average Lutheran even knows or thinks about things like this?
Dear Dave 1543
You are doing a good job. Thanks for helping others on our blog, telling the truth.
The question is very simple: If Luther was right, when did the Papacy change?
Is the Pope no longer “The Holy Father”?
In Catholic Mary, no longer the pagan “Queen of Heaven”?
Is it possible for all men to be saved today, and not have to go to Purgatory?
Is Jesus the only God that can save, or is “Allah”, “Buddha”, and “Krishna” also able to save souls, and bring them to the Kingdom of Heaven?
If the Papacy has not changed, than the Pope is still a son of Hell. And so are all who support this wicked and corrupt religious movement, that has perverted the gospel.
DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS
PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL
THANKS TO RESOND TO MY COMMENT.
THERE ARE FEW INFORMATION ABOUT MARY IN THE BIBLE.
1)MATTEW 1:18 “SHE WAS FOUND TO BE WITH CHILD FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT(NOT FROM HUMAN MALE):THERE IS NO WAY HOLY SPIRIT CAN ENTER IN SINFUL AND IMPURE BODY AND SOUL. THIS ALSO OFFEND AGAINST HOLY SPIRIT.”
2)MATTEW 1:23 “LOOK, THE VIRGIN(MARY) SHALL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON…”
3)GENESIS 3:15 “I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN YOU AND THE WOMAN(MARY).”
DEAR BROTHER OPEN YOUR HEART AND LISTEN FROM YOUR HEART. BE HUMBLE AND GAIN HUMILITY IN YOUR HEART. LOVE YOUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS WITHOUT JUDGEMENT.
LOVE YOUR NEIGHBORS AS YOU LOVE YOUR JESUS. EVEN JESUS DOES NOT JEDGE YOUR
SIN INSTEAD HE LOOK AT US MERCYFULLY OUT OF LOVE. GOD IS LOVE. JESUS DIES FOR SALVATION OF SINNERS NOT FOR RIGHTOUS PEOPLES. DO YOU WILLING TO OPEN YOURSELF TO GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT
MARY? THERE IS A BOOK. IT IS CALLES THE POEM OF MAN-GOD BY MARIA VOLTOLTA.
I MYSELF WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT HER SO I PRAY AND THAT’S I GOT. YOU WILL GET TO KNOW MORE ABOUT HER. I WONDER IF YOU ARE MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN. IF YOU DO I WANT YOU TO MEDITATE ABOUT JESUS SUFFER(FROM AGONY IN THE GARDEN THROUGH ALL THE WAY DEATH ON THE CROSS) THEN PUT YOUR SON IN THAT SAME SITUATION AND AS YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER FOLLOW YOUR SON AND WATCH HIM TOURTURE AND DIE. CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT?
AS I MOTHER OF THREE, THERE IS NO WAY I CAN DRINK THAT CUP BECAUSE IT MUST BE FULLFILLED BY GOD’S WILL
BROTHERS AND SISTERS I PRAY TO GOD WITH HELP OF OUR MOTHER MARY TO OPEN YOUR HEART TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH. GOD BLESS YOU!
Mary is not God the Holy Spirit. Jesus said: “The Kingdom of God is within you”. I also have the Holy Spirit within me, but I do commit mistakes. I do sin. The Holy Spirit corrects me when I sin, and tell me to repent. The Holy Spirit do not need to repent.
Your claim about the Jewish virgin who gave birth to Jesus is a big lie. You worship fiction, and demon that has taken the full Roman Catholic Church for a ride. And that ride will take you to hell.
Like me, Mary of the Bible was a sinner. This is the truth. You worship, adore and venerate a created being. I worship the Creator, and only Him.
Renounce this falsehood. Say “Jesus forgive me. Forever more I will pray in your name ONLY”.
Shalom, I reaaly like this site and try to help when I can.
Gal 4:18 But it is good to be zealously affected always in a good thing……
We have to be careful to stay zealous and not let our love grow cold. I see this zeal and love here and am glad, very glad. Praise the Lord!
This is major Ivar. Will post this story on my blog today. The New Evangelization is the plan of the Vatican to have all faiths under the Eucharist and this is the beginning. For the Vatican to allow communion with Lutherans is HUGE.
A few thoughts to consider and pray about.
Christ established one church, it has continued through the service of humble men and women throughout the centuries, cooperating with the Grace of God, just as our sinless mother was fully disposed to cooperate with God when called upon to be the Mother of God. We are all part of a loving family; We reverence each other. We see Christ in one another, and reverence Christ there, because it is to the human race (especially through baptism – e.g. Christians) that Christ united himself.
The problem with this Lutheran leader’s request is much larger then this fellow adds in his comments. Christ gave the apostles authority to celebrate the Eucharist. How do we know this? 2000 years of unbroken Tradition which was handed on by the apostles (the same tradition which created and affirmed the books of the bible – the tradition on which we rest in order to believe the books of the bible to be true, and others not true or less authoritative). That authority has not continued in the Lutheran communities. Therefore, their eucharist, while significant for individuals and indirectly for communities, is not being celebrated in the way and with the purpose and belief that Christ entrusted to His church, to the care of the apostles and a living tradition.
The scriptures are authoritative, but they would have little value if not for the living tradition that makes the Word of scripture real, and relevant. The scripture themselves didn’t drop out of heaven and tell someone that they were authoritative. There is no where in scripture that says, “I’m authoritative, and I include the following book…” Why not? Did Jesus forget something? No. Of course not. He established a Church, not a book. Thankfully the Bible is a ‘product’ of the church and proceeds from the church, not the other way around. The church wrote it (the Apostles and evangelists – as well as the prophets of old, of course), the church reads it and fills in the gaps in doctrine that were not explicit within it (indeed, the church is not dependent upon the bible for doctrine – though no true doctrine can contradict the Holy Bible – they are not all explicitly stated), and (only when in danger of being confused with other heretical non-apostolic, non-bibilical texts) the church defined which books belong to the Bible and which do not. Again, the Bible proceeds from the Church, not the other way around. There are many ‘churches’ who do not agree with one another That, nonetheless, claim the Bible as their sole rule of faith. Where does the problem lie? Are the scriptures therefore in error? No, of course not. The Scriptures are without error, but they must be read within the Tradition from which they proceed – they must be explained and interpreted by the church that Christ founded. Churches that proceed from the bible never look the same or believe the same things, because they have estranged themselves from the Tradition of the Apostles.
Many have a problem with the word tradition. Let us remember that the Apostle Paul passed on Tradition just as He received, and spoke of it in just this way:
“For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, “This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord.” – I Corinthians 11:23-27
God bless, you are all in my prayers.
Signed – A Christian of the Latin Church in the Universal (Catholic) Church, which is under the unifying and shepherding ministry of the vicar of St. Peter (the Last Apostle-Bishop of Rome – the city of Peter’s martyrdom), Pope Benedict XVI, the current bishop of Rome.
P.S. You are in my prayers, and I invite you to come into full unity with the Church Christ founded, and if you are baptized, the church you are already a member of, though not completely/perfectly yet. Come home, you’re welcome here. We’re all waiting with anticipation. God Bless you.
You said: Signed – A Christian of the Latin Church in the Universal (Catholic) Church, which is under the unifying and shepherding ministry of the vicar of St. Peter (the Last Apostle-Bishop of Rome – the city of Peter’s martyrdom), Pope Benedict XVI, the current bishop of Rome.
My comment: The problem with this is the lie that you believe that Catholic or Rome had anything to do with the Word of God, with establishing the Jesus church. Catholics have taken verses to suit this lie, and many sadly too many believe it to be true. Yet, if one searched God, and left the catholic lies behind, they would believe God’s word completely, instead of the sins they commit everyday. And they commit these sins, the problem is thinking that Jesus is okay with this. He’s not nor will Jesus ever be.